IRC log for #gllug on 20091030

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09:24.45Mohanmorning all
09:25.39AndyMillarfuck me, the ssh attempts are still going strong
09:26.49MohanAndyMillar: someone is so determined to see it till the end. Have fun!
09:27.28BlaptoAndyMillar: being brute forced?
09:27.58AndyMillarBlapto: idd :-)
09:28.11Blaptoidd?
09:28.15AndyMillarindeed*
09:28.20BlaptoOK
09:28.30AndyMillarheh, each IP is trying passwords for one username (3 times before it gets blocked) and then another connects with another username
09:28.56BlaptoFrom a botnet, contiguous network, AS or what?
09:28.58AndyMillarbotnet by the looks of it
09:29.06BlaptoHmm
09:29.22AndyMillarOct 30 09:27:55 caffeine sshd[96589]: error: PAM: authentication error for illegal user adamich from 217.70.139.42
09:29.30AndyMillarthey're still on a
09:29.35BlaptoI take it you've already got strong passwords in which case...  Don't worry about it ;)
09:29.54AndyMillar2 users have ssh access, passwords are strong :-)
09:30.06AndyMillarit's just getting annoying now :p
09:30.15BlaptoDo you need ssh public?
09:30.18MohanAndyMillar: Whats the threshold time for the ip, so it gets unblocked automatcially ?
09:31.50MohanAndyMillar: if you want ssh for dynamic ips you can use dyndns hostnames and reload firewall rules 1 hr or so
09:32.10Mohanand block the ssh access for public.
09:33.44Mohanor the other way is to create a webpage where you can have a button which creates a tmp, and firewall reload script will check for the tmp and reload it.
09:34.20Mohans/tmp/tmpfile/
09:35.07MohanI dont see any advantage in keeping ssh access public :)
09:35.17BlaptoYeah, or port knocking or something crazy like that.
09:35.34bilarhi like the tmpfile idea... might implement that on my own server
09:35.38bilarhwell, i would if i was paranoid
09:35.42BlaptoBut then again, SSH is really quite secure as long as you have a good password policy or users who you can trust to look after their keys.
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09:37.52Mohanwe had a similar ftp issue, where one of the developers system is compromised and all the ftp accounts are stolen
09:38.24Mohanits a distributed botnet like attack file is downloaded from canada and the same file is uploaded from germany with a iframe inserted in the code.
09:39.35Mohanwhich indeed points to a site which has various exploits for diff vulnerablities and has link for downloading exe file from free ftp site.
09:40.56DiscordianUKPeople still use ftp in 2009?
09:41.37MohanDiscordianUK: they do :)
09:42.04DiscordianUKYou didn't ven
09:42.10DiscordianUKeven :-(
09:42.52MohanI'm tired as well, but OK.
09:43.13Mohangrr.. wrong channel.
09:45.38antiphaseIs that what you said to your wife last night?
09:57.51AndyMillarMohan: infinite - they never get unblocked
09:58.09AndyMillarI also use the shared denyhosts blocklists
10:03.39Mohanantiphase: fail - I'm not married yet.
10:05.25AndyMillarBlapto: yes, this is effectively my ssh jumphost
10:05.32AndyMillarall my other boxes limit ssh to only this ip
10:07.44AndyMillarthing is, i'm not worried about someone getting in... it's just worrying that they keep trying so hard
10:08.26BlaptoIs it for a high profile client?
10:10.15AndyMillarno, it's *me*
10:10.21AndyMillarwell, the server that runs my blog
10:10.29MohanAndyMillar:  allow only for limited ips for a while, probably they would stop it.
10:11.22AndyMillarMohan: no idea what IP(s) i'll be on most of the time
10:11.37ChoHagI need a doughnut.
10:12.32MohanAndyMillar: change to a random high port and deny all icmp replies.
10:17.25AndyMillarMohan: can't guarantee I won't be behind a firewall blocking random high ports
10:17.47AndyMillarblocking all icmp replies violates some RFC and can break networking
10:18.18AndyMillardue to some fragmentation control stuff
10:18.30AndyMillar(ah, it's icmp unreachable you can't block)
10:18.34wethrinBut..but...but....only HACKERS use ICMP!!!!1!!!1
10:18.49wethrin(and they might even have degrees!)
10:19.02AndyMillar!
10:19.24AndyMillarwethrin: I have a degree too!
10:19.26MohanAndyMillar: Microsoft do block imcp replies
10:19.33Blaptohaxors wethrin's degree
10:19.43AndyMillarMohan: which ICMP replies?
10:19.55wethrinBlapto: It's okay. I have backups!
10:21.07AndyMillarhmm, backups...
10:21.20AndyMillaron that note, I shall hook some laptop hdds onto the back of a server
10:22.57Mohanicmp type echo request/reply
10:38.54antiphaseLOsers
10:46.02ChoHagantiphase: Do you have doughnuts?
10:47.10antiphaseNot as far as I'm aware
10:48.45ChoHagAnd Tesco's too far away...
11:17.07AndyMillarChoHag: tesco delivery?
11:21.04BlaptoMight go to Tescos and get a Battenberg today to go with my tea...
11:23.56Blaptohttp://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/29/iowa.marker.disguise/index.html
11:48.08Mohanhttp://pastebin.com/m72c574a6
11:48.32Mohansudoers error, I want to give access to everything except su
11:49.57Mohanthe above entry isnt working, Is there any other way for it ?
11:50.13BlaptoWhy are you trying to restrict access to su?
11:50.33bilarhmight be useful to keep logs
11:50.59bilarhhowever, you could just trim logs anyway if you could do everything else as root
11:51.06bilarhor even just vi :shell
11:51.12bilarhor
11:51.17bilarhsudo /bin/bash etc etc
11:51.26BlaptoYeah, was going to say sudo bash would give a user root
11:51.41BlaptoOr writing an interactive shell script and then running it as root.
11:52.39MohanOfcourse there are many possiblities which we can't block.
11:52.55BlaptoSo why block any?
11:53.09BlaptoYou're better off having a defined list of what people can run rather than can't
11:53.10Mohanbut i thought it would be block the basic level
11:53.14bilarhyou're going about in the wrong way
11:53.25bilarhyou should block everything and allow only what is necessary, rather than the other way around
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11:56.00AndyMillarsadly, i agree with bilarh
11:56.13bilarhsadly? :S
11:56.17AndyMillar:-p
11:56.25bilarhso devastated
11:56.26AndyMillarand i think i'm on a record day (again) for ssh attempts
11:56.34AndyMillarthrows bilarh a beer
11:56.37Mohanhmm true,  either way I will have to allow bash and vi. which would indeed give them root access
11:56.49bilarhmohan: why?
11:56.55AndyMillarwhy do you have to give them bash?
11:56.59bilarhmohan: what are you actually trying to achieve?
11:57.11Mohanbut I wonder is there anyway of forcing them to run sudo command
11:57.39antiphaseUse PAM to restrict use of su to a specified group, then they have no choice but to use sudo
11:57.44Mohansudo command logs every action to /var/log/security file
11:58.22MohanI want to give someone root access but, if he fucks up something he is responsible for it.
11:58.35antiphaseYou lose
11:58.39BlaptoWe syslog everything in bash
11:58.40bilarhwell, root + logging everything is not possible
11:58.51BlaptoBut, people can still get around it
11:58.51antiphaseThey have to be responsible in the first place, otherwise they shouldn't be permitted it
11:59.00Blaptoshell scripts, non-interactive sessions, that sort of thing.
11:59.25BlaptoBut then again, it ought be obvious who did something bad, even if it's not obvious what they did.
11:59.31antiphaseA properly set-up system shouldn't allow uncontrolled privilege escalation
12:00.00Mohanhow about creating a login shell script which takes $@ as parameters and run it with sudo $@
12:00.23bilarhmohan: still does't get around vi etc opening up new shells, does it?
12:00.26antiphaselooks at the sudoers entry and WTFs
12:00.31antiphaseWhat are you doing?
12:00.35bilarhi'll quote antiphase and say "you lose" :)
12:01.29Mohanantiphase: thats an entry i found in google, but it didnt work obviously
12:01.39antiphaseRun away from that as fast as you can
12:01.48antiphaseWhat are you trying to do?
12:02.18MohanI am trying to give sudo access to someone, but wanted to prevent them running su -
12:02.30Mohanso that they have to run sudo command  for any operation
12:02.36antiphaseWhat do they need to run?
12:02.53bilarhour operators need to do stuff as root, but we have scripts for everything lkike that
12:03.01bilarhand then they sudo <scriptname>
12:03.03Blaptoyou want them to be able to execute arbitrary commands as root, but you want it to be via sudo for the logging capabilities, you mean?
12:03.09antiphaseIt's not possible to do what you want, because there are so many glaringly obvious ways round running a specific command if you have effectively full sudo access
12:03.14Blaptobilarh: who owns the scripts?
12:03.22bilarhblapto: root
12:03.26MohanI want sudo for logging thier actions and nothing else.
12:04.00bilarhmohan: why don't you give them su - access, but do as blapto's place and syslog bash then?
12:04.17bilarhat least that gives you rudimentary logging, which is possible to get around, but better than sudo like you have there, imo
12:04.30Blaptosyslogging bash is nasty actually...
12:04.38BlaptoBut better than nothing
12:04.53AndyMillarBlapto: auditd?
12:05.06Blaptoself written extensions
12:05.21Mohansounds cool. will try that then.
12:05.52AndyMillarBlapto: what if someone runs sudo sh, sudo ksh, or any other shell
12:06.02AndyMillaror sh from inside bash?
12:06.10BlaptoWell then nothing gets logged
12:06.11MohanAndyMillar: disable those shells :)
12:06.15antiphaseOr stops syslogd
12:06.30AndyMillarmight have to turn off these denyhost emails
12:06.30BlaptoIt gets logged locally as well
12:06.34AndyMillarthey're getting annoying
12:06.34BlaptoYeah, there's loads of ways around it.
12:06.43BlaptoOnce you've got root on a box there's ways around everything.
12:06.54AndyMillarBlapto: not always true
12:06.54antiphaseIf you don't trust your users enough that you have to watch them, you shouldn't permit them such lax access
12:07.06BlaptoWe don't give users root
12:07.08AndyMillarselinux enabled properly ;p
12:07.09BlaptoIt's for admins only
12:07.18AndyMillar(or setting your security level too high on freebsd :p)
12:07.23BlaptoAnd it's for compliance purposes, not security purposes.
12:07.30BlaptoAndyMillar: we've got ILOMs on all the boxes.
12:07.34MohanThis is a for an admin from a different company
12:07.44Mohanor else there is no need for it :)
12:08.21Mohancan someone provide me any links for how to configure it ?
12:12.26antiphasehttp://www.google.com/search?q=auditd
12:12.33antiphaseThere's loads of info on that page :P
12:19.31AndyMillar;p
12:19.54Mohanantiphase: something is better than nothing, but your links is not helpful though.
12:20.44antiphaseI'll take a week off work and come and work for you for 1000 quid a day if you need someone to do everything for you
12:23.07AndyMillar:-p
12:23.21AndyMillarMohan: me too :-p
12:24.59Mohanpays only in cheques, if intrested you are welcome :)
12:25.41AndyMillarMohan: in that case, payment must be cleared before work starts
12:26.06MohanAndyMillar: Fail, no work no cheque.
12:26.35AndyMillarbut cheques are so unreliable :'(
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12:28.22AndyMillarlo flips_and_rails
12:28.49AndyMillarwonders what cv.ic.ac.uk is
12:28.58AndyMillarah, civil engineering
12:29.25cpufreakI want an english electric lightning.
12:30.55AndyMillarhmm, ic.ac.uk's awesome for stalking
12:38.21PrinceOfDarknessnext pathetic thing in northern ireland, aside from number of churches, is bloody haloween. Begin allegedly of Irish, it is another way to show off in 'irish wars'. And is totaly blown out of proportions here.
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13:00.45antiphaseTo be sure
13:13.47dick_turpinwethrin: Here we go: "Hello have you got any problems with emails your end? I can send and receive, Julie can send and receive, Dave can receive but cant send to me. He sent one to my personal private account and I got that but he cant send one to me here at the office?"
13:14.14dick_turpin"do you think he is typing in the wrong address or something?"
13:14.27dick_turpinYes! You stupid cow
13:20.49ChoHag"Did you think to ask him before phoning and wasting your and my time?"
13:34.07dick_turpinBut that presupposes they have a modicum of intelligence
13:38.12AndyMillaridd :p
13:42.16Blaptodick_turpin: "I can send e-mails, and receive e-mails, but never receive replies sent to my e-mail address."
13:42.32BlaptoOK, e-mail me a screenshot of your Outlook setup.
13:42.43BlaptoYeah.  You've misspelt your own name in the e-mail address field.
13:43.26BlaptoThank god I'm out of support now
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13:45.44AndyMillarBlapto: you are never out of support ;p
13:46.52dick_turpinAnd then people have the cheek to call me a miserable git
13:47.04BlaptoThe only thing I support now is myself against a bar.
13:47.36AndyMillardick_turpin: I *am* a miserable git
13:47.46dick_turpinBwahaha
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13:47.53AndyMillarhmm, we need to do another gllug pub visit
13:47.57AndyMillarbut this time, when I'm in London
13:48.09Blaptowethrin proposed a chimes visit soon.
13:48.56AndyMillarSW1V? that's a bit south ;)
13:49.24dick_turpinHang on I thought antiphase held the title of the most miserable git?
13:49.31BlaptoBloody nice though!
13:49.34AndyMillardick_turpin: i dunno, i'm pretty miserable too ;)
13:49.41AndyMillarBlapto: well, i'd be game
13:49.50BlaptoAce
13:49.51dick_turpincpufreak: is a close second
13:50.02BlaptoI'll badger WETHRIN to mail the social list
13:50.13cpufreakdick_turpin: what?
13:50.14ChoHagantiphase can't be called miserable.
13:50.15BlaptoSeeing as I don't know when he's back down London way.
13:50.18ChoHagHe's grinning.
13:50.18AndyMillardick_turpin: i suspect i'm worse than both of them ;)
13:50.19cpufreakfuck off.
13:50.21dick_turpinBlapto: Will he spell the address correct?
13:50.24cpufreak;(
13:50.31Blaptodick_turpin: I don't think he can spell.
13:50.34BlaptoHe's mainly into numbers.
13:50.36dick_turpincpufreak: Rotflmao
13:50.43AndyMillarcpufreak: fancy dragging antiphase out for beer later?
13:50.47cpufreaktonight?
13:50.51AndyMillarit is payday ;p
13:50.57cpufreakyeh but i'm broke
13:51.04antiphasePay day \o/
13:51.09AndyMillaroh, and ChoHag ;p
13:51.09cpufreakpay day means nothing
13:51.14cpufreakI still have all my fucking bills to pay
13:51.19AndyMillari'll waltz over to bf if you like
13:51.21ChoHagIt's not payday for me.
13:51.30AndyMillarwell, we'll have to get antiphase to pay ;)
13:51.35cpufreakgood plan
13:51.58ChoHagIt is, however, the time when I discover what problems are inherent in the Pimping Payment Process.
13:52.04dick_turpinOoh I'm up for that will he pay my train fare down?
13:52.21ChoHagThere are enough organisations involved that the chance of a cockup is about 140%.
13:52.37AndyMillarcpufreak: what time do you lot finish on fridays
13:52.54dick_turpin5.00pm
13:53.40dick_turpinGet a whole whopping 30 minutes off for good behaviour
13:54.25AndyMillar5? lucky bastards
13:54.42Blaptogets out at 4.
13:54.43antiphase1800 here, but the beer starts at 1700 on Friday
13:54.51BlaptoBut I was in at 8 so swings and roundaboots.
13:55.39dick_turpinBlapto: 4pm? you shagging the boss or something
13:55.53BlaptoI occasionally get tempted to rub his stubbly head.
13:56.03cpufreakAndyMillar: 6
13:56.13BlaptoWe do 8 hours from whenever we get in, basically.  I was in at 8 this morning.
13:56.21cpufreakthere's not many people t'office tho today
13:56.28ChoHagIf I do any more than 8 hours, I don't get paid for it.
13:56.28cpufreakBlapto: slack jawed hippy
13:56.40AndyMillarwell, I'll jump on t'bus from here to hammersmith at 6 then :)
13:56.43ChoHagAnd I don't see the point in spending a whole hour eating lunch.
13:56.46Blaptocpufreak: I'll accept slack.
13:56.50cpufreakneithr does anyone else ChoHag..
13:56.54cpufreakwhat's your point exactly?
13:56.59ChoHagEven I can't eat that much food.
13:57.10AndyMillaran hour eating lunch? I take 10 mins getting it and eat whilst I work :(
13:57.16BlaptoI do tend to do much more than a 40 hour week though
13:57.37antiphaseCan I touch you?
13:57.48BlaptoWho?  Where?
13:58.06ChoHagI think I'd like to move desks now.
13:58.06dick_turpinlol
13:58.59AndyMillar:p
13:59.04AndyMillarcpufreak: 07815 088 373
13:59.09AndyMillarmight be handy for you to know
13:59.33dick_turpinOoh nice let me just punch that into my auto dialer
13:59.54cpufreakthere's a definite lack of andys about today
14:00.29cpufreakI missed a trick with my new hire tho (contractor), had an andy interview, it was quite tempting to hire them based on that
14:00.30AndyMillari dunno, I can see quite a few
14:00.33cpufreakbut they weren't good enough
14:00.42cpufreakgot a craig instead
14:00.52AndyMillarcpufreak: i'm rather tempted to send that to atp :-p
14:01.12AndyMillarjokingly, we're not allowed to hire any more
14:01.15ChoHagWhat's with andies?
14:01.25ChoHagtries to avoid handy puns
14:01.33cpufreakits pretty useful
14:01.38cpufreakI had a meeting the other day with 3 other andys
14:01.44AndyMillarChoHag: TF IS has 3 andies out of a systems team of 6 :p
14:01.47cpufreakand another meeting, where it was two andys and two daves.
14:02.10AndyMillarcpufreak: i've done a meeting of 4 andys before, it gets confusing
14:02.14antiphaseYou're my wife now
14:02.19cpufreakactually I have two
14:02.29cpufreaktwo andy H and two andy ms
14:02.51antiphaseYou need to stick Rizlas on your forehead with your name on
14:02.52AndyMillarthinks
14:03.00cpufreakand all the capgemini people get confused by me, as their CTO is andy mulholland :)
14:03.10antiphaseCrap Gemini
14:03.20AndyMillarAndy P, P, M, H, S
14:03.26AndyMillaroh, and we have 2 Millars as well :-)
14:03.31BlaptoWe have 3 Richards in Systems Engineering here.
14:03.38BlaptoWe're thinking of forming a richsys group.
14:03.38ChoHagThat must have its benefits. Gets them whipped into working before they realise their mistake.
14:06.06dick_turpinWe have two Steve's I love it when you say "Which one", as I'm a Bar-Steward I make the caller squirm while the fathom out which one they want
14:06.47AndyMillarI miss the days of 3 andys sat next to each other
14:07.49cpufreakin general you can tell a lot about someone from their name
14:07.58cpufreakand Andys therefore a generally alright
14:08.08AndyMillarI like your thinking
14:08.18AndyMillarand this strengthens your argument ;)
14:08.23cpufreakheh
14:08.39cpufreakalmost without exception I find Robs obnoxious
14:08.41AndyMillaras thinking like that clearly means you're likely to be a decent person
14:10.27AndyMillarhmm, I can't actually disagree with that :/
14:10.29AndyMillar.names
14:10.36cpufreaknone in this channel
14:10.37cpufreakI checked
14:11.01cpufreakalso Henriks tend to be scandanavian
14:11.19cpufreakwhich further strengthens my argument that you can tell a lot about a person from their name :)
14:11.22antiphaseAnyone called Rob is a Knob
14:11.38AndyMillarwonders if he can use that trick in other channels to get cpufreak to analyse the nicklist and answer what I'm thinking for me
14:12.52cpufreakyou mean one where a rob joined 5 minutes ago?
14:13.26AndyMillarhmm, not actually what I was thinking
14:13.42dick_turpinantiphase: You're mental, honestly, your like 'out there' anyone called Rob is a knob dick_turpin tries not to laugh as it only encourages him
14:15.36ChoHagWhat's IS all hands?
14:19.01cpufreakwhere the whole of IS join together, hold hands, and pray
14:19.10cpufreakand thank the lord for our uptime
14:19.25ChoHagI see.
14:19.29AndyMillarlol
14:19.36ChoHagIs He the sysadmin?
14:24.31dick_turpinWe have a customer who is a religious organisation like the Billy Graham type of thing, when I went to see them a little while ago they said a prayer for me, it didn't work I'm still poor with the arse out me trousers
14:26.01antiphaseYou seem to have taken religion for something which isn't complete brainwashing bollocks
14:26.04boudiccasbuilders bum!
14:27.13antiphasesubstitutes a pork chop for dick_turpin's trousers in the swimming pool changing rooms
14:30.10dick_turpinantiphase: Hey its good business "Hello I've just come home and found my husband in bed with a Shetland pony" We have a prayer for that do you have your credit card handy? That'll be £95 please
14:32.15ChoHagThere's a prayer for that?
14:32.19ChoHagDoes it happen that often?
14:34.37dick_turpinThey have a prayer for anything
14:36.12dick_turpinThey charge you £50 a year to have the minister send you a Happy Birthday text message which in fact is just an automated message with your name bolted on
14:36.51AndyMillarsounds like a good business model
14:37.00dick_turpinSo you pay to have a Birthday message sent to you! Brilliant!
14:37.14AndyMillardick_turpin: you pay another 50 for a merry christmas
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14:37.34AndyMillarhmm, i really need to fix my character encoding
14:38.51dick_turpinI think its more, not sure I only know some of the stuff they do, they do DVD, CD replication as well the DVD's go for like £250 each!
14:40.45dick_turpinI had one of their CD's I think antiphase should listen to it "Your wages have increased by 20% yet you contribution to god has stayed the same" I'e stick more money in the collection plate you skin flint
14:41.03dick_turpinyou're contribution
14:41.56ChoHagyour
14:42.44dick_turpinYeah that one Oops
15:01.15AndyMillaris very much in need of beer now
15:09.23dick_turpinhas chocolate Mars Dark omnomnomnom
15:10.07Blaptodick_turpin: that's an odd beer.
15:10.30dick_turpinBlapto: I don't drink :-)
15:10.45BlaptoPerhaps you should
15:11.00dick_turpinGod said I shouldn't
15:11.08boudiccasdick_turpin, how do you stay alive then if you dont drink?
15:11.22Blaptofind a new god
15:11.43dick_turpinboudiccas: Intravenous
15:12.10boudiccasdick_turpin, IVF or IVI?
15:12.41dick_turpinboudiccas: IVF I know what the other one is you naughty girl
15:12.47boudiccas:)
15:13.41dick_turpinboudiccas: You need some fluffy handcuffs and to be placed.... Oh crap I'm still married
15:14.02boudiccasplaced where? in your dungeon??
15:14.38bilarhdoesn't know what ivi is
15:15.03boudiccasbilarh, intravenous infusion
15:15.25bilarhinfusion? :S
15:15.36bilarhi have ivc
15:15.40bilarhintravenous confusion
15:16.01boudiccasits a method of introducing liquids, normally saline, staright into the blood stream
15:16.25bilarhso why would that be naughty then?
15:16.33bilarhtotally doesn't get it
15:16.47boudiccasdon't worry, its just an 'in' joke
15:16.59Blaptoan in travenous joke?
15:17.02boudiccasi come from a hospital background as does dick_turpin
15:17.14bilarhsee, now you've made me paranoid as well because i'm not one of the gang
15:17.26bilarhlooks up solicitors willing to sue boudiccas and dick_turpin
15:17.59bilarhhmm, dick_turpins experience was as an in patient at a psychiatric ward, though... does that count?
15:18.19boudiccasno, he was a hospital porter at one time
15:19.12dick_turpinEr excuse me my title was Deputy assistant portering services manager :-P
15:19.24boudiccasdapsm
15:19.33boudiccas3 i/c
15:20.03boudiccasdick_turpin, you ought to try 'rooster' snuff, its really good
15:23.38wethrinBlapto: I didn't say soon - I said around Christmas-time
15:23.53Blaptothat's soon
15:23.58BlaptoIf you aren't a lazy student
15:24.19dick_turpinis having real problems shoving a Road Island Red up his left nostril
15:27.51dick_turpinwethrin: You missed today's story
15:28.12wethrinOh
15:28.15wethrinI could scroll back
15:28.19wethrinOr I could ask you to re-tell it.
15:28.21dick_turpin(13:16:47)
15:28.24wethrindecides the latter is easier
15:28.54boudiccasdick_turpin, can i watch you stuffing the chicken up your nose? it should be interetsing to watch , especially if the chicken is still live
15:29.10wethrinHmm
15:29.12wethrinPeople--
15:29.59z00daxamazon's aws--
15:30.12dick_turpinboudiccas: He's scratching the buggery bollocks out of my top lip but we've nearly got a successful outcome
15:30.46Blaptodick_turpin: successful for who?
15:31.20dick_turpinBoth of us, the Rooster has a new home and I've had a new experiance
15:32.04dick_turpinbilarh: Stop sulking blubber butt
15:32.24bilarhadds comments to his notebook of insults
15:32.34dick_turpinbilarh: rotflmao
15:32.38wethrinbilarh: Come to Chimes around Christmas-time!
15:33.23bilarhwethrin: in uxbridge?
15:33.32dick_turpinbilarh: You like that Raymond out of the film Rain Man with your 'insults' book?
15:34.06wethrinbilarh: No.
15:34.10wethrinFurther south.
15:34.17wethrinBetween Victoria and Pimlico
15:34.30bilarhwethrin: wot is it?
15:34.43dick_turpinYou need a paasport for Pimlico
15:34.55dick_turpinpassport even
15:36.28bilarhdick_turpin: can't stay and chat, darling, gotta go see jeopardy
15:36.44wethrinbilarh: tasty restaurant/bar that has lots of mead, and ciders
15:36.47wethrinAnd PIES
15:36.56bilarhmmm, i like pies
15:37.01bilarhminge pies are the best :D
15:37.03wethrinPies are good
15:37.05wethrinheh
15:37.10dick_turpinWho ate all the pies? bilarh!
15:37.40bilarhoffers a minge pie to dick_turpin
15:37.47bilarhdick_turpin: does it smell funny to you?
15:38.02dick_turpinYes like your fingers
15:38.07bilarhhehe
15:38.26bilarhwethrin: when are you going?
15:38.33bilarhwethrin: and is it like an official geek-fest?
15:39.59wethrinAround Christmas-time. I'm back near London from the 20th December
15:40.52bilarhah
15:42.24wethrinWell, I'm back a bit earlier, but busy
15:42.29Blaptopromises not to get drunk and attempt to secure a girlfriend again.
15:42.40Blaptosorry wethrin!
15:42.51wethrinHehe
15:43.00wethrinIt's okay. It worked for you :)
15:43.03wethrin(didn't it?)
15:43.04BlaptoErr
15:43.07BlaptoTemporarily
15:43.09wethrinoh
15:43.11BlaptoWe were together for 18 months.
15:43.15wethrinThat's not bad
15:43.17BlaptoWe moved in together about 6 months ago.
15:43.36BlaptoKicked her out about a month back
15:43.38wethrinoh.
15:43.44wethrinCrap.
15:43.46Leedsoopsie
15:44.00BlaptoShe cheated on me once or twice.
15:44.03BlaptoOr seven times.
15:44.05wethrinouch
15:44.07BlaptoI think it was seven.
15:44.08wethrinthat's not good
15:44.17BlaptoNo, but oh well.
15:44.40Leedsrather not good
15:44.59BlaptoBut silver lining and all that
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15:45.54BlaptoHad a date last night
15:45.57BlaptoGot a date next week.
15:46.07Leedsdates are good
15:46.17BlaptoBeen spending quite a bit of time with the girl who was Sarah's best friend.
15:46.27bilarhsarah being your ex? :D
15:46.30BlaptoUntil Sarah cheated on me with her best friend's boyfriend.
15:46.34BlaptoSarah being my ex.
15:46.49bilarhgotta lol at the evilness :D
15:46.56BlaptoBest friend is even kinkier, so that's alright.
15:46.58antiphaseYou must be crap in bed
15:47.26Blaptoantiphase: It's a possibility I can't ignore.  As such, I've been seeking as much feedback as possible the last couple of weeks.
15:47.39antiphaseHa ha
15:47.53antiphaseThey might think you're unhingedif you start with the questionnaires
15:48.14BlaptoThough more seriously, the ex had huge attention issues.  Apparently I was just the only one who didn't realise.
15:48.25antiphaseISHYOOS?
15:48.31BlaptoBless yuo.
15:48.38ChoHagAre there women who don't have attention issues?
15:48.44BlaptoChoHag: apparently.
15:48.58bilarhantiphase: are you complainign about a nerve in your back, or is that a new acronym?
15:49.14BlaptoAt least there are probably ones who don't cling to guys to get them to buy them a drink, then move onto another one when the first realises he isn't getting anything.
15:49.23AndyMillarwell, I didn't need that bit of excitment this afternoon :p
15:49.39antiphaseIt's a wry observation about the fact that people misuse the word "issues", prnounouced "ISHYOOS" to mean problems
15:49.53bilarhantiphase: aah
15:49.55antiphaseYou can't have an attention issue
15:49.56BlaptoWell, it's not really a problem, for her at least.
15:50.06antiphaseAn issue is the result of something else
15:50.14antiphaseIt issues forth
15:50.20BlaptoThis is true.
15:50.26BlaptoOr a question.
15:50.29ChoHagIsn't forth dead yet?
15:51.00BlaptoBut anyway, all over.  And none of it really my fault, except the part where I didn't chuck her as soon as I realised she was lying to me about something.
15:51.29wethrinChoHag: No.
15:51.58dick_turpinLike she's gonna say "I'm sleeping with this other guy cos he's got a bigger cock"
15:52.24BlaptoWell, no, but I do happen to know exactly why she was.
15:52.46dick_turpinYou was rubbish at it?
15:53.05BlaptoApparently not.
15:53.26dick_turpinApparently so
15:53.39BlaptoSorry, forgot you're the expert here.
15:53.40antiphaseLEts look at the evidence </Loyd Grossman>
15:53.50ChoHagYou should do what I did - get married first then there's nothing they can do about it.
15:53.56antiphaseWho would throw a sausage in a dustbin like this?
15:54.44antiphaseChoHag: She could be getting busy with the bin man right now, and you wouldn't know ;)
15:55.08ChoHagNo they only come on Tuesdays.
15:55.10dick_turpinUm I did get caught by my first wife shagging someone else, does that make me an expert?
15:55.20BlaptoNo, it makes you an idiot.
15:55.51ChoHagIf your wife's shagging someone else, surely it means you're fucked?
15:56.17boudiccasno, it menas that you've been cuckolded
15:56.22boudiccas*means
15:58.12dick_turpinBlapto: No it means I was shagging two at once :-D So anyway why was she humping the guts out of someone else?
15:58.40BlaptoBecause she was attractive, had drinks bought for her and never knew when to stop.
15:58.58ChoHagEveryone knows when to stop.
15:58.59ChoHagSometimes they choose not to.
15:59.05Blaptoyou'd think so.
15:59.33BlaptoI've seen her get so drunk she's tried to have sex with me and know nothing about it the next morning.
16:00.02dick_turpinShe had to get drunk to have sex with you?
16:00.12BlaptoNo, she just had to have a pulse.
16:00.58dick_turpinSo if she has a drink she turns into a raving nymph then? Can me and bilarh meet her?
16:01.08BlaptoProbably
16:01.28bilarhbooks a hotel room with rubber sheets and a water hose to wash things down with afterwards
16:01.37bilarhdick_turpin: do we need a bedpan as well this time?
16:01.44Blaptogood luck, I'm off home
16:02.08dick_turpinBlapto: Got any photo's
16:02.13dick_turpinBum!
16:02.34boudiccaswhy do you want photos of someone's bum dick_turpin ???
16:02.39ChoHagbilarh: They pay people for that.
16:02.52dick_turpinIf you're gonna bare your soul on IRC you're fair game in my book
16:02.53bilarhboudiccas: depends on who's bum, surely, but why not? :)
16:03.24bilarhchohag: my meagre salary does't stretch to high class establishments
16:04.27ChoHagPay in cash. Disappear before they inspect the room.
16:04.41dick_turpinboudiccas: You know full well what I was gonna say if he had said "No"
16:04.47bilarha hose is useful between sessions, though
16:05.17dick_turpinbilarh: Not much point if we have one of them 'rain' sessions
16:05.50bilarhgood point
16:06.01bilarhbtw, is that why you always smell of stale pee?
16:06.07boudiccasone winter night, many years ago now, i was doing a night shift on a stroke ward. it was new years eve and we were listening the the party in trafalgar square on the radio when a buzzer went. we went to see what the patient wanted and he was very apologetic but he'd poohed the bed. so just as we were washing his backside he said "stop a minute, I've got something to tell you!"
16:07.21ChoHagDoes pooed have an h?
16:07.23ChoHagSounds like a bear.
16:07.33boudiccasso we turned him over and just as the bells rang out in london he said "Happy New Year!" with a big grin on his face. He got a playful swat on the backside and we carried on sorting him out.
16:08.00bilarhhehe
16:08.20ChoHagI advise against the phrase 'sorting him out' in that context.
16:08.55boudiccasOn the way home the next morning i picked up a paper from my local newsagents and was very amused to read my horoscope in it, which stated that i would be continuing to party logn after the rest had gone to bed! I reckon that was right for the day :)
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16:31.34dick_turpinBored where's Blapto's girlfriend?
16:33.47antiphaseIn a rugby team changing room somewhere getting 6 feet of beef
16:36.19dick_turpinantiphase: lol
16:38.45dick_turpinIts so nice to be in a caring sensitive channel that is fully appreciative of the pain felt by members when face with distressing elements of a relationship breakup
16:38.56dick_turpinfaced
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17:05.28AndyMillarcpufreak / antiphase / ChoHag: pick pub, let me know location and i'll be there at 6:30ish :-)
17:07.35ChoHagI'm not pubbing tonight.
17:07.39ChoHagStuff to do at home.
17:08.02ChoHagPlus, no money yet.
17:20.09cpufreakdistillers
17:20.14cpufreakon fulham palace road
17:23.27AndyMillarkk
17:23.56cpufreakyou heading off now?
17:24.03AndyMillarleaving in 30 :)
17:24.18AndyMillarjust working out wtf i've got to go to :)
17:29.02AndyMillaryeah, 27 mins on t'bus to hammersmith :-)
17:36.44cpufreakkk
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17:59.40AndyMillarcpufreak: right, be there in ~30, I'll be the muppet in the lightish suit :p
17:59.45AndyMillarprobably looking lost
17:59.58AndyMillar(atp says hi)
18:09.58cpufreakok cool
18:09.59cpufreaksuits?
18:10.00cpufreakwtf
18:10.19AndyMillarodd tradition :p
18:10.25antiphaselikes big butts, and he cannot lie
18:10.42AndyMillarhates waiting for busses :)
18:10.59antiphaseBuses :P
18:11.09AndyMillarsush :p
18:11.27AndyMillarthe female developer started it, and i wasn't one to object
18:12.00cpufreakI thought you were married
18:12.08cpufreakhaven't you left yet?
18:12.16AndyMillaryes, at the bus top
18:12.38AndyMillarand nope, not married
18:12.55antiphaseAndyM bum chain
18:13.12AndyMillarantiphasek which andym :p
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18:13.25antiphaseIt wouldn't be a chain without more than one
18:13.39AndyMillarah :@
18:13.44AndyMillar:p*
18:16.14AndyMillarhas bus
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18:17.41AndyMillargrr, annoying child on bus
18:19.14antiphaseYou shouldn't be rude about the driver
18:19.57AndyMillarheh
18:20.34AndyMillarwonders how tfl thinks this takes 27 mins... you could probably walk it in that time
18:26.21AndyMillarah, traffc...
18:31.36cpufreakI should leave the office and head for the  pub.
18:32.07AndyMillarpossibly, i'm about 30 seconds from hammersmith :)
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