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| 09:48.27 | Mohan | morning all |
| 09:55.22 | hali | morning |
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| 10:55.04 | bilarh | fscking expect.pm |
| 10:55.07 | bilarh | totally sucks |
| 10:56.52 | bilarh | seems you can't send $'s without messing it up |
| 10:57.07 | wethrin | whoever would want to do that? :-) |
| 10:57.32 | bilarh | e.g. if you were writing stuff to a file and stuff contained $ :) |
| 10:57.40 | wethrin | Pff :-P |
| 10:57.51 | wethrin | Well, I'm bored of trolling the Gllug list now |
| 10:58.00 | bilarh | christ, i think i'll have to stick it into a local file and scp that across |
| 10:58.11 | bilarh | so that i can cat tmpfile >> realfile |
| 10:58.25 | wethrin | aren't computers wonderful? |
| 10:58.36 | bilarh | yes |
| 10:58.39 | bilarh | is feeling the love |
| 10:58.52 | wethrin | It's like love that involves sandpaper |
| 10:59.14 | bilarh | yes |
| 10:59.59 | bilarh | hey ho, at least it's friday :D |
| 11:00.17 | bilarh | friday++ \o/ |
| 11:00.29 | wethrin | indeed |
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| 11:30.27 | bilarh | how much is oracle rac licensing nowadays? |
| 11:30.35 | bilarh | is it still in the region of 60k usd per cpu? |
| 11:34.44 | bilarh | or more like 20k? |
| 11:35.00 | hali | 70k USD list price per core multiplier |
| 11:35.06 | bilarh | christ |
| 11:35.17 | hali | so 140k for a quad core processor on x86 |
| 11:35.20 | bilarh | so on a dual core intel, that'd be 70k per physical |
| 11:35.31 | hali | cpu = .5 cores on x86 |
| 11:35.35 | bilarh | yep |
| 11:36.00 | hali | you're very unlikely to pay list price though |
| 11:36.19 | hali | that is enterprise edition though |
| 11:36.28 | hali | standard is a lot cheaper (and per socket) |
| 11:50.52 | cpufreak | no one pays list. |
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| 11:56.50 | AndyMillar | Mohan: in $mass_hosting, we have a process that monitors apache memory usage and kills bloated processes |
| 12:02.02 | hali | fuck, feel like a retard now |
| 12:02.31 | hali | tried to write a fancy find command to compare all files in a two directories (inc subdirs) |
| 12:02.38 | hali | when diff -r did exactly that :P |
| 12:04.16 | wethrin | ha :-P |
| 12:07.38 | ChoHag | AndyMillar: Isn't that called Linux? |
| 12:10.10 | wethrin | The OOM killer? :) |
| 12:10.27 | wethrin | Which had a few, err, issues a few years ago |
| 12:13.07 | wethrin | giggles a bit at the latest MS grumble on list |
| 12:13.20 | wethrin | "I couldn't even find a way of locking the computer!" # cue lots of responses |
| 12:13.34 | wethrin | that ain't the fault of the OS, mate |
| 12:22.25 | ChoHag | Yeah this windows bashing gets on my nerves. |
| 12:22.41 | ChoHag | It's shit, true, but not for the sorts of reasons generally cited. |
| 12:27.45 | wethrin | Yes. But Linux is also shit. In different ways |
| 12:27.52 | ChoHag | Exactly. |
| 12:27.59 | wethrin | ARGH. |
| 12:28.06 | wethrin | More needless MS bashing |
| 12:28.28 | ChoHag | Sequence is: Told to try Linux because Windows is shit -> Discovers Linux is shit too -> Becomes Windows evangelist. |
| 12:29.03 | wethrin | heh |
| 12:29.05 | wethrin | Right. lunch. |
| 12:30.28 | hali | that Windows 7 thing seems ok though |
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| 12:58.45 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: well, we limited it rather lower than that ;) |
| 13:10.23 | ChoHag | For a giggle, and to get it on lenny, I am compiling chromium. |
| 13:10.42 | ChoHag | Currently the source/build directory is at 7.5GB. |
| 13:10.45 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: shouldn't you be working? ;) |
| 13:10.56 | ChoHag | Well I say 'I am compiling'. |
| 13:11.08 | ChoHag | What I mean is, I told my computer this morning to do so and now it is compiling. |
| 13:11.09 | ChoHag | Still. |
| 13:11.21 | AndyMillar | get a better one? |
| 13:11.30 | AndyMillar | or just use some servers to compile for you |
| 13:11.54 | ChoHag | Oh it's not a problem. |
| 13:11.57 | ChoHag | Just amusing. |
| 13:13.53 | ChoHag | But 7.5GB for the build directory - that's pretty impressive. |
| 13:24.25 | ChoHag | Bastard. |
| 13:24.32 | ChoHag | 3 hours and it filled up the drive again. |
| 13:25.11 | ChoHag | I wonder if I can get pbuilder to retry without restarting. Pointless to waste all that. |
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| 13:51.59 | dick_turpin | whacks wethrin just for the hell of it |
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| 14:22.26 | wethrin | sighs at the mailing list |
| 14:22.47 | DiscordianUK | oH |
| 14:25.05 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Apparently I'm having a slanging match so I gave up posting which was a pity as I was enjoying what I'd term a 'lively discussion' |
| 14:27.37 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 14:27.52 | wethrin | You made the fatal mistake of not bashing Microsoft and telling everyone how wonderful Linux is. |
| 14:28.12 | DiscordianUK | Oh dear |
| 14:28.46 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Duh silly me. |
| 14:28.56 | wethrin | Quite. |
| 14:29.29 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I should have taken the sheep approach I take it? |
| 14:29.55 | wethrin | I'm happy to admit Windows has its faults. Of course it does, so do all other OSes. I disapprove when people start slating it for reasons that are essentially made up, or because they didn't know about a feature |
| 14:30.28 | dick_turpin | Exact-a-mundo |
| 14:30.39 | antiphase | Open-sores weenies |
| 14:30.49 | wethrin | I can level the same criticism at Linux if I wanted to |
| 14:30.57 | wethrin | Make things up |
| 14:31.01 | wethrin | antiphase: indeed |
| 14:31.19 | DiscordianUK | hmmm well I moaned about MS well before 10 years ago |
| 14:31.38 | wethrin | oh, so did many people |
| 14:31.45 | DiscordianUK | But then I'm a unix person from the old ages |
| 14:31.47 | wethrin | If it's justified, fair enough |
| 14:32.11 | dick_turpin | TBH it was the "I activated it (Read Authenticated by the way) and my network stopped working" WTF? Doh I switched the kettle on and the hoover stopped blowing bilarh |
| 14:32.19 | wethrin | Saying "I couldn't get it to stay up more than 10 minutes before it bluescreened" is not justifiable criticism when there are a *far* larger number of counterexamples |
| 14:32.23 | DiscordianUK | and I've always found windows counter-intuitive |
| 14:32.39 | wethrin | That is merely a familiarity issue |
| 14:32.46 | antiphase | No-one ever told you it would be intuitive. It's just what it is |
| 14:32.49 | antiphase | Take it or leave it |
| 14:33.03 | DiscordianUK | I chose to leave it |
| 14:33.07 | ChoHag | The only intuitive interface is the nipple. |
| 14:33.11 | wethrin | Quite :) |
| 14:33.16 | ChoHag | And the day you can programme using a nipple is a good day. |
| 14:33.33 | wethrin | ChoHag: You just need a way of represnting 1 and 0 |
| 14:33.47 | ChoHag | Well there are usually two. |
| 14:33.58 | ChoHag | Or perhaps innie/outtie. |
| 14:34.09 | DiscordianUK | erect or not |
| 14:34.10 | dick_turpin | I'm not defending MS honest, I know it looks like I am I just prefer honesty not made up shit that's regurgitated solely for mass consumption |
| 14:34.13 | wethrin | So, I like the Unix command line. But then, I've been used to it for a number of years. |
| 14:34.13 | ChoHag | And I'm sure the belly button could get involved somehow. |
| 14:34.18 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Agreed |
| 14:34.38 | ChoHag | The closest UI I've ever seen to intuitive was Risc OS. |
| 14:34.41 | wethrin | When I look at a VMS system, I get confused. For a VMS-head, I'm sure Unix is weird and counter-intuitive |
| 14:34.43 | ChoHag | And even that confuses people. |
| 14:34.47 | wethrin | I like OS X |
| 14:34.50 | DiscordianUK | I've been used to command lines for err 25 years |
| 14:35.02 | DiscordianUK | I like OS X |
| 14:35.08 | ChoHag | OS X is OK. |
| 14:35.09 | wethrin | One thing Apple does well is consistency |
| 14:35.16 | DiscordianUK | I liked OS 8 and 9 too |
| 14:35.19 | ChoHag | And shiny. |
| 14:35.26 | ChoHag | Very good at shiny. |
| 14:35.30 | wethrin | You use the same strokes to zoom in on your photos as to increase the text size in your web browser |
| 14:35.35 | ChoHag | They'd make dogshit shiny. And do. |
| 14:35.40 | wethrin | And people buy it :) |
| 14:35.56 | dick_turpin | I heard today they (Mac) are having real problems with HDD's lots and lots of returns |
| 14:35.59 | DiscordianUK | And OS 8 didn't have a CLI |
| 14:36.01 | wethrin | And the other thing I like about OS X is that it's Unix underneath. So I can use the Unix commandline when I want to |
| 14:36.33 | wethrin | Eh, Shit Happens with hard drives. Manufacturers make a bad batch, they then change their process; later drives work fine |
| 14:36.59 | DiscordianUK | Well yes OS X has whatever it is underneath |
| 14:37.03 | wethrin | "I had 30 Maxtor drives 5 years ago which ALL FAILED" Yes, and they'll be better now |
| 14:37.08 | wethrin | NextStep :-) |
| 14:37.13 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Nobody cares they can still walk round with their MacBooks under their arm |
| 14:37.20 | wethrin | mm |
| 14:37.50 | DiscordianUK | Mach and some BSD kernel and increasingly GNU userspace isn't it? |
| 14:38.11 | wethrin | Something along those lines |
| 14:38.11 | DiscordianUK | The wrong thing about OS X is the file-system |
| 14:38.19 | wethrin | although the userspace is still more BSD |
| 14:38.30 | wethrin | they're moving away from gcc, though |
| 14:38.42 | DiscordianUK | I remember installing 10.1 |
| 14:38.51 | DiscordianUK | I chose UFS as the f/s |
| 14:38.59 | wethrin | oh, don't do that. It confuses it :) |
| 14:39.00 | DiscordianUK | That broke lots of stuff |
| 14:39.05 | dick_turpin | I was talking to my misses the other day (Now there's a rarity) and I said "If I stuck an Iriver and an Ipod on the side which would you pick? Guess which one she wanted? |
| 14:39.11 | DiscordianUK | Indeed |
| 14:39.20 | wethrin | UFS is going to be a throwback to the BSDisms in the kernel |
| 14:39.32 | ChoHag | Did she have two hands free? |
| 14:39.35 | wethrin | HFS+ is the way to go. Although doesn't do case-sensitive filenames |
| 14:39.45 | wethrin | dick_turpin: iriver? |
| 14:39.55 | DiscordianUK | Well that's just broken |
| 14:39.55 | antiphase | Just don't try HFS+ with Linux |
| 14:40.29 | DiscordianUK | i can read and write HFS+ happily |
| 14:40.32 | wethrin | Eh....it's just a different way of doing it. NTFS is also case-preserving, not case-sensitive |
| 14:40.38 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Think I've spelt it wrong :-( No change there then? |
| 14:40.51 | wethrin | no, I was answering your question.... |
| 14:40.57 | dick_turpin | Bwahahahaha |
| 14:41.21 | wethrin | TBH, if you have two filenames with the same name, just different case, it gets horribly confusing |
| 14:41.34 | MrKen | wethrin: You can enable case sensitivity with HFS+ AFAIK |
| 14:41.43 | MrKen | (it's just not the default and causes shit with certain apps if you do) |
| 14:41.47 | wethrin | Yeah. That then breaks things :) |
| 14:41.53 | DiscordianUK | yes you can in later releases |
| 14:41.54 | MrKen | :) |
| 14:42.07 | MrKen | has pkgsrc is a case-sensitive HFS+ dmg |
| 14:42.08 | wethrin | I'll just stick with not calling multiple files the same name, thanks :) |
| 14:42.10 | MrKen | er, in even |
| 14:42.11 | DiscordianUK | The FreeBSD people are abandoning gcc |
| 14:42.21 | wethrin | Are they moving to clang/llvm too? |
| 14:42.30 | DiscordianUK | yes |
| 14:42.32 | dick_turpin | Oh an/me does not have a clue what is being discussed :-( |
| 14:42.44 | wethrin | Mmm. I've generally heard good things about that |
| 14:42.45 | dick_turpin | Wtf? |
| 14:43.02 | wethrin | And recent opinion of gcc seems to generally be heading downhill |
| 14:43.06 | dick_turpin | does not have a clue what is being discussed :-( |
| 14:43.10 | wethrin | compilers :) |
| 14:43.49 | DiscordianUK | I shall have to play with the debian freebsd/linux dist |
| 14:45.46 | wethrin | Is that using the FreeBSD kernel? |
| 14:45.52 | bilarh | dick_turpin: gcc is an acronym for your good self |
| 14:46.22 | DiscordianUK | yeah but also has a linux kernel |
| 14:46.26 | dick_turpin | waits for bilarh's sheep response :-P |
| 14:46.32 | DiscordianUK | So you can choose which to boot |
| 14:46.52 | bilarh | dick_turpin: baaaa |
| 14:47.04 | wethrin | okaay....but the userspace is the same? |
| 14:47.18 | DiscordianUK | yes userspace is the same |
| 14:47.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Its alright for you, you know what these DegreeBoys are on about |
| 14:47.35 | DiscordianUK | I don't have a degree |
| 14:47.51 | dick_turpin | DiscordianUK: Ssh pretend you do |
| 14:47.54 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i don't have a degree |
| 14:47.54 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Oi. Don't you know that you can't know anythign if you have a degree? |
| 14:48.01 | wethrin | The List said so! |
| 14:48.16 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Crap sorry I forgot |
| 14:48.21 | bilarh | wethrin: aren't you supposed to be working in a coffee shop with that phd of yours? |
| 14:48.33 | dick_turpin | haha |
| 14:49.05 | ChoHag | Well stupid *is* the new intelligent. |
| 14:49.06 | wethrin | Hmm. Sounds interesting, this BSD/linux kernel choice. Even if, to me, it seems more like an academic exercise than something practically useful |
| 14:49.15 | ChoHag | It even said so in thereg today. |
| 14:49.19 | ChoHag | Something about iphones. |
| 14:49.30 | wethrin | bilarh: Hey! I spend too much of my time getting shit to work |
| 14:49.58 | bilarh | wethrin: you must not be one of those graduates that don't know jack according to gllug |
| 14:50.18 | bilarh | wethrin: are you sure your phd isn't issued by some university in the gulf of mexico? |
| 14:50.23 | dick_turpin | Anyway getting back to being serious, why does everyone bang on about BSD? I know its like 'Uber free' drivers etc wise but I also here its a pain in the arse to configure (Never used it by the way) |
| 14:50.25 | wethrin | Well, I can't know anything. I don't get Windows to crash within 10 minutes :) |
| 14:50.38 | wethrin | bilarh: Yes, I'm sure. It's issued by a far sillier institution! |
| 14:50.47 | bilarh | wethrin: :D |
| 14:50.54 | wethrin | dick_turpin: It's not 'uber free' drivers |
| 14:50.56 | DiscordianUK | I've used some of the BSDs |
| 14:51.05 | bilarh | i wish i had gone to uni, to be honest.. i feel like i missed out on student parties |
| 14:51.09 | bilarh | and the sex |
| 14:51.15 | wethrin | There's a lot less noisy fanboyism about BSD, generally |
| 14:51.15 | ChoHag | dick_turpin: Only because the userspace is pretty crap^Wold fashioned. |
| 14:51.19 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I thought it was? |
| 14:51.26 | bilarh | then again, i would have done CS or something similar, so probably woudln't have got any anyway |
| 14:51.39 | wethrin | So those who talk about it, for the most part, know what they're doing :) |
| 14:51.46 | DiscordianUK | And right now I'm installing Solaris 10u8 |
| 14:52.00 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You'd have still missed out on sex you ugly ..unt |
| 14:52.37 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Well.....Theo tends to rail against closed drivers, or binary blobs. But then tends to actually write something that works |
| 14:53.02 | wethrin | Which seems to be a difference in attitudes between Linux and BSD developers |
| 14:53.06 | DiscordianUK | Pissing off darren reed took some doing |
| 14:53.22 | wethrin | it was more Darren pissed Theo off, I thought |
| 14:53.53 | wethrin | But in the end, it was a good move. pf now is very good. Better than what ipf is currently |
| 14:54.17 | DiscordianUK | Alas ipf hasn't worked on linux since 2.0 |
| 14:54.40 | wethrin | Yeah. I've found iptables to be needlessly complex |
| 14:55.26 | DiscordianUK | iptables is good but sometimes having ipf would be handy |
| 14:55.51 | wethrin | So, say for wireless cards, BSD will not use something like ndiswrapper. Because ndiswrapper is not the correct way of doing things. |
| 14:56.35 | DiscordianUK | ndiswrapper is something I've never used |
| 14:57.42 | wethrin | neither have I. but a) I've not heard great things about it, specially in terms of stability; and b) it's fundamentally the wrong approach to solving the problem |
| 14:58.05 | wethrin | A bit like using duct tape to hold up a picture on your wall |
| 14:58.21 | wethrin | it does the trick, for a time, before the picture falls down. The correct way is to put a nail in the wall |
| 14:59.15 | DiscordianUK | yeah |
| 15:01.54 | dick_turpin | Would I be throwing the cat amongst the pigeons if I said my Windows 7 has been up (Apart from some update reboots) for two weeks now without any problems? |
| 15:02.58 | wethrin | You must be a microsoft shill ;-) |
| 15:03.39 | wethrin | that saying, my work Vista machine rarely causes me trouble |
| 15:04.06 | wethrin | And I've had a Win98SE box running to a month without any trouble at all |
| 15:04.10 | dick_turpin | Actually everyone here is moaning about it (And this is the interesting complaint) |
| 15:04.14 | wethrin | (and it was working the CPU hard here) |
| 15:05.22 | dick_turpin | You install it and as long as it has Internet access it pisses off and gets every driver it needs no more searching the web manually, and it finds Domains and networks better |
| 15:05.34 | dick_turpin | So who needs an Engineer? |
| 15:05.48 | wethrin | when it all goes wrong, or loses the internet connection |
| 15:05.50 | dick_turpin | Of course you still do |
| 15:06.01 | wethrin | Vista went off to the internet to get drivers |
| 15:06.11 | dick_turpin | I was just being provocative again :-) |
| 15:10.59 | MrKen | wethrin: I think FreeBSD supports ndiswrapper, doesn't it? |
| 15:12.51 | wethrin | I don't know. |
| 15:13.02 | wethrin | I used OpenBSD on an old laptop with wireless |
| 15:13.09 | wethrin | Nowadays, I just buy Mac stuff. |
| 15:13.25 | wethrin | And my EeePC came with a working OS, so the wireless card mostly works in there |
| 15:15.43 | AndyMillar | ok, i need more rams |
| 15:17.41 | dick_turpin | wethrin: You run (Xandros?) the default software on your EeePC? How do I get flash_plugin installed my daughter needs it for FireFox |
| 15:19.29 | antiphase | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree :P |
| 15:19.59 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Yes, I run the default software. Don't know about flash things - it seemed to work for me |
| 15:20.07 | wethrin | Other than the screen size being too small to see the videos usefully |
| 15:20.43 | wethrin | It seemed to be too hard to think of getting a web browser that doesn't take up half the screen with its menu and navigation bars |
| 15:24.36 | dick_turpin | Hm |
| 15:28.05 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Ooh Thanks, although I'm not sure she has a terminal? |
| 15:28.12 | wethrin | Yes |
| 15:28.16 | wethrin | Alt-shift-T |
| 15:28.19 | wethrin | Or ctrl-alt-T |
| 15:28.22 | wethrin | or something like that |
| 15:29.01 | dick_turpin | K thanks guys I knew all that education wasn't going to waste |
| 15:29.05 | antiphase | It might work straight off, or you might have to temporarily add a Debian Etch (possibly backports) repo |
| 15:29.41 | dick_turpin | She needs flash 10 so she can watch iplayer :-/ |
| 15:30.21 | antiphase | Just download the binary from Adobe and bung it in ~/.mozilla/plugins then |
| 15:30.57 | antiphase | My eeeeeeePC 900 is barely fast enough to watch flash video though, because the Linux Flash port is terrible for CPU usage |
| 15:31.10 | dick_turpin | Hm, I did download the .deb the installer fired up (Automatically) but then fell over? |
| 15:31.38 | dick_turpin | antiphase: She/they have the 901 |
| 15:32.18 | dick_turpin | Ooh hang on whats the root password? |
| 15:32.32 | wethrin | there isn't |
| 15:32.34 | wethrin | use sudo |
| 15:32.38 | dick_turpin | K |
| 15:33.01 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I dont think they have a user passwd either |
| 15:33.08 | wethrin | it's okay, then |
| 15:33.15 | wethrin | just try 'sudo bash' |
| 15:33.24 | antiphase | `sudo -i` is less typing |
| 15:34.05 | dick_turpin | antiphase: sudo -i ? Is that i = install ? |
| 15:34.30 | antiphase | Initial login |
| 15:34.35 | dick_turpin | K |
| 15:34.40 | antiphase | The equivalent of `su -` |
| 15:34.49 | antiphase | Gives you a proper root environment and shit like that |
| 15:35.01 | dick_turpin | K |
| 15:35.22 | wethrin | my EeeePC did entirely randomly crash on me one day. And entirely refused to start up X |
| 15:35.37 | wethrin | Kept trying, then it killed it; tried it again; killed it |
| 15:35.38 | wethrin | ad inf. |
| 15:35.52 | wethrin | And there doesn't seem to be a way of getting command-line only |
| 15:36.12 | wethrin | So I had to do a factory reset from the factory-install partition |
| 15:36.25 | wethrin | now, I'll bet if I posted that to the list, I'd be accused of Linux-bashing |
| 15:36.32 | dick_turpin | Theirs has this update feature that's totally shite I've updated the Bios like 30 times and it keeps say "Oi baldy I've an update here" |
| 15:36.35 | wethrin | And how clearly it must definitely be a one-off |
| 15:36.44 | wethrin | The EeePCs are shite |
| 15:36.59 | wethrin | I've heard good things about the Dell Mini-9 |
| 15:37.00 | dick_turpin | Yeah I would'nt buy one again |
| 15:37.09 | wethrin | likewise |
| 15:37.25 | wethrin | Now I've got mine, it does what I need, mostly. Which is to play videos or IRC from the train |
| 15:37.33 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Don't buy the 10 I have one the touchpad is pure evil |
| 15:37.46 | wethrin | Mini-10? |
| 15:37.50 | dick_turpin | Yeah |
| 15:37.54 | wethrin | I have an Eee 4G Surf |
| 15:37.56 | wethrin | so fairly old |
| 15:38.42 | dick_turpin | Having said that UNR 9.10 is pretty good and the mouse is like 99.9% stable now |
| 15:39.40 | antiphase | Dell Latitude 2100 looks pretty neat and comes with Umbongo |
| 15:40.25 | Armand|Lappy | Richard, one of the tenants here, has the Mini-9.. he reckons it great. |
| 15:41.09 | Armand|Lappy | I'd rather have the Asus.. because it's not a Dell. :P |
| 15:41.54 | dick_turpin | I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy, I tried lots on there including Moblin but TBF I do like the UNR on it (its blue by the way soon got that brown off) |
| 15:42.02 | wethrin | UNR? |
| 15:42.15 | dick_turpin | Ubuntu Netbook Remix |
| 15:42.24 | wethrin | okay |
| 15:43.07 | antiphase | Wikki wikki sratch |
| 15:44.50 | wethrin | hey, wikis make excellent substitutes for actually writing documentation |
| 15:45.51 | dick_turpin | Yeah and any old fool can write whatever they like so some poor unsuspecting fool can hose their system |
| 15:46.29 | wethrin | Oh yes. That's another thing that annoyed me about my eeePC. The documentation is WRONG in places |
| 15:46.40 | wethrin | And it doesn't come with ntpdate |
| 15:49.05 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Wadda you need to know the time for |
| 15:52.13 | wethrin | So I know how late my train is running |
| 15:52.41 | dick_turpin | starts to cry "People are actually promoting this as viable" http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/screenshot.html its 2010 for christ sake |
| 15:53.11 | wethrin | plan9 is a nice idea |
| 15:53.21 | wethrin | It just needs a nicer UI :) |
| 15:57.50 | dick_turpin | I need to get home and use antiphase's advice so I can win some brownie points |
| 16:03.53 | ChoHag | <Angry Teacher> Many of you were not slapped hard enough when you were children. I will be correcting this deficiency. |
| 16:05.11 | dick_turpin | Excellent! They get my vote |
| 16:08.17 | Armand|Lappy | W000h! server restarts! ¬_¬ |
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| 16:14.22 | hali | wank, our HR people in the us have introduced a new web based "performance management process" where we are to log "notable performance activities" |
| 16:14.50 | hali | plus they are referring to employees as "the population of our company" |
| 16:14.57 | hali | i need a new job with less filth |
| 16:17.48 | Armand|Lappy | lol |
| 16:18.03 | Armand|Lappy | have they also employed a load of "middle managers" ?? :P |
| 16:18.14 | hali | hm, a few i guess |
| 16:18.26 | Armand|Lappy | All aboard the fail-boat? ^_^ |
| 16:18.39 | hali | at least they have money for me to spend |
| 16:19.47 | Armand|Lappy | :) |
| 16:21.11 | ChoHag | What counts as a notable performance activity? |
| 16:21.25 | ChoHag | Or any performance activity for that matter. |
| 16:21.52 | dick_turpin | A double back flip while reading the Gaurdian |
| 16:22.18 | hali | "helped caused the credit crunch" |
| 16:22.40 | ChoHag | I know somebody who actually did that. |
| 16:22.46 | dick_turpin | And I understand bilarh gives a good performance after a couple of largers |
| 16:23.27 | ChoHag | You notice how 'filling in this shit' is never a suitable answer when told to tell HR what you're doing. |
| 16:30.26 | wethrin | "Paperwork" |
| 16:31.31 | dick_turpin | In triplicate please |
| 16:39.02 | dick_turpin | 17 minutes to go \o/ |
| 16:39.09 | wethrin | clockwatcher |
| 16:39.57 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Mate if you worked here you'd clock watch too |
| 16:40.15 | wethrin | hey, if you have to work with Windows.... |
| 16:44.31 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Yes but its a life without walls ;-) |
| 16:44.40 | wethrin | heh |
| 16:45.39 | dick_turpin | 11 mins |
| 16:46.58 | dick_turpin | Thats it closing down time |
| 16:47.03 | dick_turpin | Bye |
| 16:47.04 | wethrin | have a good weekend! |
| 16:47.14 | dick_turpin | Cheers winkle |
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| 18:02.36 | Mohan | AndyMillar: lets say an average apache process use 20MB, should i just kill the ps id which exceeds it with a script like this ps auxfww| grep httpd |awk '{ if ($6 > 25000){ print $2, $6}}' > /tmp/kill_pid; while read PID; do kill -9 $PID; done</tmp/kill_pid ? |
| 18:06.14 | Mohan | run it as a cron job every 2 - 3mins so that it would free up resources in apache. |
| 18:11.11 | Mohan | oops, I shouldn't be printing $6 though.. |
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