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| 07:15.10 | AndyMillar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.03 | gregj | freenode is getting worse and workse |
| 08:20.16 | gregj | they probabluy rewreote it in python or something :) |
| 08:23.01 | Leeds | say that again to my face :P |
| 08:24.28 | gregj | :P |
| 08:24.30 | gregj | java ? |
| 08:24.31 | gregj | :P |
| 08:31.20 | ChoHag | Bloody hell how do you cock up a roll this badly? |
| 08:31.55 | ChoHag | Useless cow at $shop put the egg in on top of everything else, so of course it didn't actually fit. |
| 09:10.11 | zeroXten | ruby |
| 09:11.40 | AndyMillar | perl |
| 09:14.58 | ChoHag | php |
| 09:15.08 | zeroXten | na, perl would speed it up and cause less netsplits ;) |
| 09:17.46 | AndyMillar | tbh, it's probably someone doing something shit :) |
| 09:18.29 | ChoHag | Never! |
| 09:24.38 | Mohan | Morning |
| 09:26.03 | AndyMillar | mornin |
| 09:30.49 | zeroXten | morning |
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| 09:39.39 | AndyMillar | wow, that was quick |
| 09:39.55 | AndyMillar | is already the top hit on google for "mod_vhs memcached" <3 |
| 09:41.30 | ChoHag | Yay ruby! Error on line 76 of a 74-line file. |
| 09:50.49 | mindbendr | morning |
| 10:04.06 | zeroXten | heh ChoHag |
| 10:05.52 | hali | replacing nis with ldap, is plain openldap the way to go or is there a nicer alternative? |
| 10:06.22 | hali | 389 server? |
| 10:06.51 | ChoHag | openldap is fine if you don't like logs. |
| 10:07.34 | hali | ok for redundancy and replication? |
| 10:07.56 | hali | 389 has (in the brouchure) some fancy stuff about multi master replication, can i do that with openldap? |
| 10:10.03 | hali | yes openldap sucks |
| 10:17.17 | ChoHag | Seems 389 server is openldap with some suckiness removed. |
| 10:17.42 | antiphase | You want to use Kerberos + LDAP instead of plain LDAP or there's no point replacing NIS |
| 10:18.03 | AndyMillar | hali: fedora directory server's pretty good as a front end to it |
| 10:20.27 | hali | yes, kerberos as well |
| 10:20.59 | hali | doesn't fedora directory server (389) based on iplanet code, not openldap? |
| 10:21.03 | hali | isn't* |
| 10:21.31 | ChoHag | http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#How_is_Fedora_Directory_Server_different_from_OpenLDAP.3F |
| 10:22.05 | hali | yep |
| 10:22.16 | ChoHag | Seems highly incestuous to me. |
| 10:23.17 | z00dax | hali: yeah, they had to also get rid of some management code due to (c) issues. much of it has been rewritten but a few bits are still missing |
| 10:23.24 | z00dax | afaik, all the functionality is there, and some more |
| 10:25.56 | hali | and it's got a windows client so i can kane off user adding duties to the helpdesk |
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| 10:30.31 | morsing | Leeds: What phone do you have now? |
| 10:30.52 | hali | a telephone? |
| 10:30.52 | Leeds | HTC Magic |
| 10:31.19 | morsing | Leeds: Does it have a keyboard and do you have ssh on it? What's the OS? |
| 10:31.31 | morsing | No keyboard... |
| 10:31.40 | morsing | Android... |
| 10:31.42 | morsing | hmm... |
| 10:31.43 | Leeds | no keyboard, very good ssh client, running Android |
| 10:31.55 | morsing | It is not annoying not having a proper keyboard? |
| 10:32.26 | Leeds | it would be if I did a lot of ssh on it, but I don't |
| 10:32.36 | morsing | Ok, not for me then |
| 10:32.39 | Leeds | the on-screen keyboard is pretty good for things like short messages, twitter, URLs, etc. |
| 10:33.09 | morsing | What's a good smart phone with a qwerty keyboard? |
| 10:33.11 | wethrin | morsing: Get an N900 :-) |
| 10:33.20 | morsing | wethrin: Not a PDP-11? |
| 10:33.30 | wethrin | They're a bit less portable |
| 10:33.36 | morsing | The N900 doesn't appeal to me at all, especially the design |
| 10:33.55 | morsing | wethrin: Do you want to sell you N800? |
| 10:34.38 | wethrin | I have an N810, not an N800 |
| 10:34.42 | wethrin | And I don't want to sell it, no. |
| 10:34.47 | wethrin | It doesn't work as a phone, anyway |
| 10:34.48 | hali | plain old blackberry? |
| 10:34.51 | wethrin | It's purely an internet tablet |
| 10:34.54 | wethrin | Right. Worktime. |
| 10:35.02 | morsing | Never liked the BlackBerry |
| 10:35.08 | morsing | wethrin: Work?! |
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| 10:47.06 | morsing | stu_! |
| 10:53.10 | ChoHag | Ruby's being helpful again. |
| 10:53.28 | ChoHag | undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) |
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| 11:06.52 | morsing | stu_: Where's bilarh? |
| 11:07.08 | stu_ | morsing, who knows |
| 11:07.17 | wethrin | He's at his leaving do |
| 11:07.24 | morsing | :( |
| 11:43.29 | z00dax | bilarh is leaving #gllug ? |
| 11:43.37 | morsing | z00dax: Yes |
| 11:43.41 | morsing | ~seen bilarh |
| 11:43.44 | ibot | bilarh <n=henrik@128-177-27-125.ip.openhosting.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 5d 19h 4m 26s ago, saying: 'dick_turpin: powm is never worksafe'. |
| 12:26.55 | ChoHag | Emacs has a message on startup - 'If an Emacs session crashed recently, type Meta-x recover-session RET to recover the files you were editing', and I thought to myself "Ooh that's handy. A quick way to open all the files I had loaded before." |
| 12:27.13 | ChoHag | But no, it doesn't load the files. It gives you a list of the files you had loaded. |
| 12:27.49 | ChoHag | So, methinks, you can just click/enter on one and the file will load, right? |
| 12:27.50 | ChoHag | Wrong. |
| 12:31.10 | ChoHag | You can't even select the whole buffer and try and find a command to load all the selected files, because after each file is the scratch file associated with it. Even though none of the files had any changes and therefore the scratch files don't actually exist on the filesystem. |
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| 12:43.49 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Got an email related story if you like? |
| 12:47.36 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:48.07 | dick_turpin | morsing: You missed bilarh's leaving doo |
| 12:48.22 | morsing | :(( |
| 12:48.39 | ChoHag | Surely a leaving is a doo? |
| 12:48.51 | wethrin | dick_turpin: I'm off to lunch for now |
| 12:49.05 | dick_turpin | wethrin: K it'll keep |
| 12:49.44 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Where are we going? /pm me so morsing doesn't see the location |
| 13:39.19 | kjs | did my email make it to the list this morning? lists at netzensolutions d com . About VNC fonts |
| 13:45.13 | morsing | :roll: |
| 13:46.15 | kjs | ? |
| 13:46.33 | morsing | Teh email address is wrong |
| 13:46.35 | morsing | The |
| 13:46.38 | morsing | Wrong format |
| 13:47.02 | kjs | what |
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| 14:01.34 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 14:01.47 | morsing | Leeds: Did you ever have the 680 or later Treo? |
| 14:02.58 | morsing | Leeds: Anyway, I bought a new phone |
| 14:36.46 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Tell me your email story! |
| 14:39.33 | dick_turpin | wethrin: K, sitting comfortably? |
| 14:39.40 | wethrin | Reasonably |
| 14:41.43 | dick_turpin | Hello we was sent an email from our French office on Monday, I and Karl never got it but others did, we spoke to the sender who forwarded it and we got that can you have a look and see what happened? |
| 14:42.26 | wethrin | "No" |
| 14:42.30 | dick_turpin | So you have the email well a copy at least yet you still want us to find it? |
| 14:43.58 | dick_turpin | have an info one |
| 14:44.02 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:44.39 | dick_turpin | Have a customer who is trying to say we infected his system when we attached a USB pen drive to install ESET |
| 14:44.48 | AndyMillar | awesome |
| 14:46.23 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 14:47.34 | AndyMillar | indeed |
| 14:48.36 | ChoHag | Ruby needs one of those for dummies books called "Ruby for Retards" which stabs the reader in the eyes every time it's opened. |
| 14:51.15 | dick_turpin | lol |
| 14:53.45 | ChoHag | Also, every language needs an equivalent of Data::Dumper built in. |
| 14:54.35 | boudiccas | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8366386.stm ... the affectionate cat |
| 14:59.29 | ChoHag | Note the logo on the side of the crane: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8365571.stm |
| 15:19.24 | wethrin | I just saw that |
| 15:19.28 | wethrin | What's the logo? |
| 15:19.37 | ChoHag | According to The Internet, symbols are Ruby's answer to not bothering with an efficient hash key hashing mechanism? |
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| 15:19.44 | ChoHag | "Reliable" iirc. |
| 15:19.47 | wethrin | ahh |
| 15:19.48 | wethrin | yes |
| 15:19.54 | antiphase | :fo => ad |
| 15:19.59 | ChoHag | Yeah them. |
| 15:20.29 | ChoHag | Is there any point to them other than "Saving memory because we're to fucking retarded to write a decent hash implementation"? |
| 15:20.30 | antiphase | I think Symbols are guaranteed to be unique, this obviating hash key collisions |
| 15:21.03 | antiphase | They will cost you a colon key though |
| 15:21.16 | ChoHag | They're currently costing me my sanity. |
| 15:22.14 | ChoHag | This chef object is all symbol'd up, but when I pass it through to_hash, which I have to do because @"£$%^"£$"%$ not £$%^£$^ just a blessed hash like in perl which would be so much fucking easier, all the symbols have been converted to strings. |
| 15:24.33 | antiphase | Why do you need it as a hash? |
| 15:25.16 | wethrin | Why're you doing it in ruby? |
| 15:25.27 | ChoHag | Because I want to merge two together. |
| 15:25.52 | antiphase | Two objects? |
| 15:25.53 | antiphase | o.O |
| 15:25.57 | ChoHag | wethrin: Because chef is written by idiots^W^Win ruby. |
| 15:26.05 | antiphase | ur doin it rong, I suspect |
| 15:26.06 | ChoHag | antiphase: Yeah that's plan B. |
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| 15:26.32 | wethrin | antiphase: He is. He's doing it ruby. |
| 15:26.35 | ChoHag | antiphase: I want to merge $db{$country} with $db{global} into one big %db. |
| 15:27.03 | antiphase | + ? |
| 15:28.45 | ChoHag | Well, that didn't add them and it didn't combine them. |
| 15:28.45 | ChoHag | It did do something odd though. |
| 15:29.23 | antiphase | There's probably some really easy way of doing it |
| 15:29.38 | antiphase | If you think it in terms of Perl, I think you will phail though |
| 15:29.43 | antiphase | You need to smoke more crack |
| 15:29.52 | ChoHag | If chef (probably chef) didn't change the symbols to strings it would. |
| 15:29.58 | ChoHag | hashes have a .merge function |
| 15:30.32 | ChoHag | hash = hash1.merge(hash2) is the same as %hash = (%hash1, %hash2) |
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