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| 08:17.16 | ChoHag | Sometimes, I can be a bastard. |
| 08:17.25 | ChoHag | Some brat at the station wanted my to buy him cigarettes, which I didn't and walked off. |
| 08:17.36 | ChoHag | He swore at me, which I would have just ignored, only I passed a couple of coppers in the subway... |
| 08:18.10 | DiscordianUK | and .. ? |
| 08:19.35 | ChoHag | and .... told them there was a kid trying to buy cigarettes. |
| 08:20.14 | ChoHag | Of course there's nothing they can do, but it might piss him off some. |
| 08:20.27 | DiscordianUK | Ahhh that's more a matter for the local council really |
| 08:24.12 | AndyMillar | ChoHag++ |
| 08:24.18 | AndyMillar | ah cock, i should leave in 2 mins |
| 08:26.29 | AndyMillar | puts on happier music |
| 08:26.37 | AndyMillar | antiphase: are we still an andy down? :( |
| 08:27.10 | ChoHag | I don't think he's in yet. |
| 08:33.18 | AndyMillar | ->work(); |
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| 09:33.17 | ChoHag | The result of printing from emacs with and without a default printer set in cups is the same. |
| 09:33.33 | ChoHag | Except that in one instance some paper comes out, and in the other it doesn't. |
| 09:34.13 | ChoHag | Somebody is lucky the printer isn't half a mile from my desk though unfortunately that somebody is me. |
| 09:50.37 | zeroXten | morning |
| 09:51.30 | DiscordianUK | morning |
| 10:00.55 | AndyMillar | mornin |
| 10:01.43 | zeroXten | hmm, time to update nvidia driver me thinks |
| 10:02.10 | AndyMillar | hates the daily spam of "your ssl cert is going to expire in 21 days" |
| 10:02.41 | DiscordianUK | Buy a new one then? |
| 10:03.26 | AndyMillar | I might :) |
| 10:03.50 | DiscordianUK | aren't you a Thawte agent or somethink? |
| 10:04.59 | AndyMillar | not as far as I know |
| 10:05.07 | DiscordianUK | ahh |
| 10:05.22 | AndyMillar | what made you think that? |
| 10:05.44 | DiscordianUK | I dunno to be honest |
| 10:06.04 | AndyMillar | fair enough :) |
| 10:23.07 | zeroXten | ffs.. i've *just* installed the nvidia driver and now there seems to be a kernel update =/ |
| 10:27.59 | DiscordianUK | On ? |
| 10:29.22 | AndyMillar | "your mum" |
| 10:30.10 | DiscordianUK | My nvidia is working just lovely |
| 10:32.10 | DiscordianUK | lovely wobbly windows and all |
| 10:33.46 | wethrin | And people complain about Windows for having unnecessary eye candy.... :-) |
| 10:34.19 | DiscordianUK | tschaw |
| 10:34.48 | DiscordianUK | You probably still use ircII |
| 10:35.22 | wethrin | Heh. irssi, actually |
| 10:35.40 | wethrin | It's got better multi-server support |
| 10:36.17 | DiscordianUK | I use maybe 4 apps in all , xchat, firefox, xmms , everything else is command line (roxterm is the 4th) |
| 10:37.01 | wethrin | Well, X is mostly a convenient way of getting lots of xterms up on screen |
| 10:37.39 | DiscordianUK | I have a few open in different workspaces (one is using irsii on another box) |
| 10:39.08 | AndyMillar | irssi is awesome :) |
| 10:39.40 | AndyMillar | wethrin: terminator is also a nice way of getting a decent layout of a large number of terminals up at once |
| 10:40.19 | DiscordianUK | there's also quadkonsole |
| 10:42.41 | zeroXten | wethrin: no, i complain about windows being shite |
| 10:42.54 | AndyMillar | DiscordianUK: isn't konsole kde? |
| 10:43.14 | DiscordianUK | it is but KDE apps run under Gnome |
| 10:43.35 | AndyMillar | it also assumes you want them all the same size |
| 10:43.48 | AndyMillar | (by the looks of it) |
| 10:44.28 | DiscordianUK | yeah it does |
| 10:44.33 | zeroXten | irssi ftw \o/ |
| 10:44.35 | DiscordianUK | It has some use cases |
| 10:44.53 | AndyMillar | indeed, but i'd argue that it isn't flexible enough |
| 10:52.53 | DiscordianUK | I'm installing terminator, thanks for the heads up |
| 10:54.25 | ChoHag | You've got to wonder how shit Windows would be if it could manage xterms (more) effectively. |
| 10:59.36 | AndyMillar | DiscordianUK: took me a while to get used to the key combinations, but i find it awesome |
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| 11:03.49 | AndyMillar | awesome, the met office are hiringf |
| 11:03.51 | AndyMillar | hiring* |
| 11:08.50 | DiscordianUK | oooh interesting job |
| 11:09.06 | DiscordianUK | You'd have to sign the OSA though |
| 11:09.28 | wethrin | Technically, you're always bound by the OSA. Given it's a law |
| 11:09.39 | wethrin | The signing is merely a formality to show that you've read it properly |
| 11:09.56 | DiscordianUK | Well yes indeed |
| 11:10.16 | DiscordianUK | And you can't tell anyone you've signed it |
| 11:10.25 | AndyMillar | pity they don't really pay sensibly, and the location sucks |
| 11:10.32 | wethrin | I think that depends on the job, really |
| 11:10.47 | wethrin | Telling people you work for the Met Office isn't so bad |
| 11:10.58 | wethrin | Telling people you work for MI5/MI6 might be a bit more frowned upon |
| 11:11.11 | DiscordianUK | Met office is MOD I believe |
| 11:11.34 | AndyMillar | there are also, so i've been told, different levels of the OSA you can have to sign |
| 11:11.42 | wethrin | Well, quite |
| 11:11.58 | DiscordianUK | indeed |
| 11:12.07 | antiphase | Do any of them entitle you to reveal official secrets? |
| 11:12.14 | DiscordianUK | No |
| 11:12.37 | antiphase | I think they may have overlooked something there then |
| 11:14.38 | DiscordianUK | You can of course lie creatively all you like |
| 11:20.13 | ChoHag | Funny. I'm looking through pictures of the LHC, and what do I find most interesting? |
| 11:20.18 | ChoHag | A massive tape robot. |
| 11:20.27 | DiscordianUK | hahhaa |
| 11:22.56 | wethrin | You geek. |
| 11:23.32 | ChoHag | The rest of it's fascinating too. |
| 11:24.14 | AndyMillar | isn't LHC the one with the HPC room(s)? |
| 11:24.26 | ChoHag | heh. "You think it is USB 2.0 compatible?" |
| 11:24.34 | wethrin | CERN will have lots of HPC nodes there |
| 11:24.37 | DiscordianUK | chuckles |
| 11:24.49 | ChoHag | I doubt they have anything that's not HPC. |
| 11:25.14 | z00dax | they have lots of desktops :) |
| 11:25.23 | wethrin | They're probably high performance desktops |
| 11:25.31 | ChoHag | Exactly. |
| 11:25.56 | z00dax | I bet they get email real quick |
| 11:26.17 | wethrin | John Hearns used to work for CERN |
| 11:26.22 | ChoHag | On their HPBs? |
| 11:26.32 | ChoHag | High Performance Blackberries. |
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| 11:49.47 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: blackberries are higher performance than Outlook |
| 11:50.42 | AndyMillar | prays to the gods that his rm -rf is going on in the right palce |
| 11:50.44 | AndyMillar | place* |
| 11:51.26 | AndyMillar | also, it looks like the ssh attempts on me are going down :-) |
| 11:51.48 | AndyMillar | and after a little denyhosts tuning, they're failing to even attempt a login |
| 11:54.17 | AndyMillar | and all the idiots appear to be trying root |
| 11:54.34 | ChoHag | Checking any rm command has become a reflex. |
| 11:54.58 | AndyMillar | [root@caffeine ~]# wc -l /etc/hosts.deny 16096 /etc/hosts.deny |
| 11:55.03 | AndyMillar | 16k entries :'( |
| 11:56.07 | ChoHag | ISTR looking at some random document on the intranet here and it seems I've checked it out and locked it. |
| 11:56.14 | ChoHag | Creepy SCM is crappy. |
| 11:56.14 | AndyMillar | :p |
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| 11:56.30 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: when doing something dirty like "ls | while read line; do rm -rf $line ; done" that you want to be really careful |
| 11:56.46 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 11:56.50 | AndyMillar | (and yes, i know it's dirty) |
| 11:56.51 | ChoHag | Like I said - it's a reflex now. |
| 11:56.55 | AndyMillar | but hey, it's only our mailserver |
| 11:57.14 | AndyMillar | and I'm deleting (copies of!) mailboxes |
| 11:57.14 | ChoHag | studious use of echo and study of the output before committing. |
| 11:57.20 | AndyMillar | yes :) |
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| 12:04.44 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: where's morsing? |
| 12:05.49 | ChoHag | Crapper. |
| 12:06.13 | AndyMillar | argh, die chinese and taiwanese servers |
| 12:06.14 | Armand | AndyMillar: in #fgllug |
| 12:06.25 | AndyMillar | #fgllug? |
| 12:06.31 | Armand | Yes |
| 12:06.47 | AndyMillar | wtf's that? |
| 12:06.56 | Armand | A channel.. |
| 12:06.56 | DiscordianUK | ahh friendly gllug |
| 12:06.57 | Armand | O_o |
| 12:07.16 | AndyMillar | ah |
| 12:07.24 | AndyMillar | Armand: I knew that much :-) |
| 12:07.26 | AndyMillar | we are friendly |
| 12:07.32 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 12:07.36 | Armand | Indeed. |
| 12:07.45 | AndyMillar | this is one of the more friendly channels I'm in |
| 12:07.52 | DiscordianUK | I won't be joining #fgllug |
| 12:07.53 | AndyMillar | perhaps we should change that |
| 12:08.11 | AndyMillar | DiscordianUK: i was considering staying and making sure it remains friendlty |
| 12:08.13 | AndyMillar | friendly* |
| 12:08.20 | AndyMillar | with my draconian style of enforcement |
| 12:08.24 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 12:08.45 | AndyMillar | (I was told, on the prospect of someone giving me an intern, that I'd probably kill them) |
| 12:09.09 | DiscordianUK | Nice recommendation that |
| 12:09.21 | AndyMillar | that was from my boss :) |
| 12:09.28 | wethrin | eh, you just need to treat interns appropriately |
| 12:09.39 | wethrin | I suggest sending them to the nearest computer store for a wireless ethernet cable |
| 12:09.52 | DiscordianUK | chuckles |
| 12:10.09 | AndyMillar | wethrin: I think breaking them in to the real world way of work would make more sense, I'd expect them to do the same hours I do :-) |
| 12:11.06 | wethrin | 10am - 2pm? :) |
| 12:11.06 | AndyMillar | heh, i've been known to do 6am-11pm :) |
| 12:11.07 | wethrin | That's excessive |
| 12:11.19 | wethrin | Also, you're legally entitled to an 11 hour break between leaving work and coming back |
| 12:11.39 | AndyMillar | wethrin: I do it by choice :) |
| 12:11.49 | wethrin | fule |
| 12:12.25 | AndyMillar | and if the working didn't kill them, the drinking would :) |
| 12:14.40 | z00dax | so, where are these famed 50mbps virgin cable-net speeds available ? |
| 12:14.54 | z00dax | just checking around the place and its all mostly 10mbps down and .5mbps up |
| 12:15.07 | z00dax | which makes it a bit worse than 8mbps adsl-max product from BT |
| 12:15.16 | z00dax | and a lot worse than all the adsl2 providers. |
| 12:15.17 | AndyMillar | z00dax: i had 20mbit in north london |
| 12:15.28 | AndyMillar | though I'm considering getting a 100mbit LES at some point |
| 12:15.46 | AndyMillar | mainly as my 95%ile usage at home is tiny |
| 12:16.04 | z00dax | how much is that going to cost you ? |
| 12:16.14 | AndyMillar | couple of k a year |
| 12:16.30 | AndyMillar | so about the same as decent SDSL |
| 12:16.45 | Armand | z00dax: Apparently we can get it in my area, Hayes/West Drayton, but I don't know anyone who has it. |
| 12:17.08 | z00dax | humm BT's been making a lot of noise about deprecating SDSL |
| 12:17.13 | Armand | My brother has 20mb/s, which does do it. :) |
| 12:17.18 | AndyMillar | z00dax: I'm moving in about a month, and I might try and convince the guy i'm going to be living with (who owns the flat) to get it :p |
| 12:17.23 | z00dax | whats the uplink speed on that Armand ? |
| 12:17.31 | Armand | I forget.. |
| 12:17.42 | Armand | I think it's about 768Kb/s ? |
| 12:17.48 | z00dax | AndyMillar: couple of hundred pounds a month... sounds a bit excessive for home |
| 12:18.10 | AndyMillar | z00dax: I'll just have to drink less, then it seems less excessive |
| 12:19.03 | AndyMillar | it'd be split between two (or three, maybe) anyway |
| 12:20.15 | z00dax | its going to be a lot cheaper to live within striking distance of a DC, then just get a WiFi link |
| 12:21.07 | AndyMillar | i think reducing my alcohol bill might not be a bad idea anyway though :) |
| 12:21.18 | z00dax | there is always that :) |
| 12:21.50 | AndyMillar | plus a LES would be awesome for gaming |
| 12:22.44 | AndyMillar | which I'm about to get back into :'( |
| 12:23.44 | z00dax | might need to be running the windose for that |
| 12:24.09 | z00dax | in the last 2 years that I've had a ps3 around. maybe been used as a game machine for ~ 40 hrs |
| 12:24.20 | z00dax | fps, which is what I like, just isnt as good on the ps3 as it is on a PC |
| 12:25.30 | AndyMillar | yeah, I'll be building a windows box :( |
| 12:26.12 | z00dax | hummm |
| 12:27.35 | Mohan | Armand! |
| 12:27.45 | Armand | Mohan! |
| 12:27.48 | Armand | :) |
| 12:29.17 | z00dax | I seem to have quite a messed up wiki thing going. |
| 12:29.44 | z00dax | have moin installed on all my machines with httpd and I run the moin store against a git repo, then git push and git merge around the places as I move from machine to machine |
| 12:29.56 | z00dax | well, $desktop at home -> $laptop -> $desktop at work |
| 12:33.39 | dick_turpin | responds with lightening speed to AndyMillar's question "Er, Ooh, ah, Um" |
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| 12:38.13 | ChoHag | It's amazing how much scientific progres comes from banging things together. |
| 12:41.09 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Did you sort out your Server? I have a Dell 1600 here, was hoping to over you it but apparently it belongs to a customer and *Disappearing Act's* are frowned on apparently |
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| 12:43.53 | AndyMillar | hmm, the only problem with terminator is that I end up in this stupit situation where I have 30-60 terminals open |
| 12:44.10 | dick_turpin | Greedy |
| 12:44.23 | ChoHag | Hmm advert tells me to see 10 reasons why I should virtualise with Windows 2008. |
| 12:44.40 | ChoHag | (Nice to see that they spelt virtualise correctly.) |
| 12:44.46 | ChoHag | ponders the effects of clicking... |
| 12:45.28 | Armand | ChoHag: No, that's a typo. :P |
| 12:45.47 | Armand | It should read "0", not "10" :) |
| 12:46.29 | ChoHag | The advert lied. |
| 12:47.16 | ChoHag | It's not 10 reasons why I should virtualise with w2k8, it's 10 reasons I should upgrade to it, of which no. 3 is virtualisation. |
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| 12:51.07 | j0nr | afternoonies |
| 12:51.14 | Armand | j0nr! :) |
| 12:51.23 | ChoHag | Is that some kind of kids TV? |
| 12:51.41 | j0nr | indeedy-weedy |
| 12:59.30 | ChoHag | Heh. |
| 12:59.47 | ChoHag | $job[-1] I had to beg just to get a 2nd (15", both of them) monitor. |
| 13:00.04 | ChoHag | Here they just offered me my 3rd. |
| 13:00.52 | Armand | heheh |
| 13:01.16 | ChoHag | Shame the docking station doesn't work or I might have plugged it in. |
| 13:02.01 | Armand | I need another 17" LCD, for swaps.. |
| 13:04.47 | z00dax | dick_turpin: :) thanks. |
| 13:05.16 | z00dax | dick_turpin: sorted in that I will collect the machine myself next week |
| 13:05.19 | dick_turpin | Can someone direct me to a guide on how to embed HTML in a Perl script |
| 13:05.29 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Cool |
| 13:05.58 | z00dax | we've been wanting to head out to Bath anyway, a friend moved there earlier this year and it would be nice meeting |
| 13:06.21 | z00dax | when you embedd, dont you mean just print |
| 13:07.07 | dick_turpin | Its for a logon screen the boxes show up but not the logo's etc |
| 13:08.34 | dick_turpin | I believe its purely a syntax problem |
| 13:09.06 | z00dax | the img src= point to an invalid / non existing resource ? |
| 13:09.06 | ChoHag | dick_turpin: print "<html>...</html>" |
| 13:10.27 | antiphase | The correct answer of course is to embed template tokens in your HTML, and handle it all properly on the server |
| 13:10.43 | antiphase | Never let correctness get in the way of a bad CGI script though :P |
| 13:11.58 | dick_turpin | Its a wifi hotspot cgi written in perl we need to customise that |
| 13:12.16 | ChoHag | http://probablybadnews.com/2009/11/13/funny-news-headlines-they-re-armed-and-ready-to-blow/ |
| 13:15.01 | AndyMillar | i miss the 3 screens had at $oldjob |
| 13:15.24 | AndyMillar | one guy had 8 at one point, for fun |
| 13:16.13 | Armand | Bastard.. |
| 13:16.31 | AndyMillar | though 2 nice 20.1" HP TFTs here are ok, i suppose |
| 13:17.25 | Armand | I've just got the 1 17" LCD. |
| 13:17.35 | Armand | Oh, I have a 17" CRT out back. :P |
| 13:17.49 | AndyMillar | unlucky :-p |
| 13:18.00 | Armand | I want another LCD. >_< |
| 13:18.25 | AndyMillar | hell, i've even got 2 at home :) |
| 13:18.26 | Armand | If I had another 17" LCD, I could swap it for the one my mum has.. which is the same as mine. |
| 13:18.41 | AndyMillar | and i'm considering getting another 1-2, but i dunno how good linux'll be at sorting out 4 screens |
| 13:18.52 | AndyMillar | especially when spread over multiple graphics cards |
| 13:19.16 | hali | get a 4-port matrox card |
| 13:21.28 | AndyMillar | they pricy? |
| 13:21.41 | hali | bit |
| 13:23.00 | AndyMillar | i'm going to be building 2 machines, one windows for gaming and one linux for actual use |
| 13:24.03 | Armand | I prefer dual-boot myself.. but whatever floats your boat.. ;) |
| 13:24.20 | AndyMillar | well, I want 2xATI for the gaming one |
| 13:24.27 | Armand | Eewwww |
| 13:24.33 | Armand | :P |
| 13:24.43 | antiphase | ATi + Linux + >1 screen = massive fail |
| 13:24.52 | AndyMillar | indeed |
| 13:24.56 | AndyMillar | hence 2 different machines |
| 13:25.02 | antiphase | I could have reduced that to ATI=fail though |
| 13:25.25 | Armand | Yes.. |
| 13:25.28 | AndyMillar | nah, for gaming their cards are awesome |
| 13:25.36 | Armand | Well, ATi+Linux = fail. |
| 13:25.48 | AndyMillar | yes |
| 13:26.01 | Armand | I know thier current top-end cards are quite good. |
| 13:26.10 | ChoHag | Can a windows guest on a linux host drive a 3d card yet? |
| 13:26.26 | antiphase | I've always used nvidia, and it has always just worked under Windoze and Linux |
| 13:27.09 | Armand | I'm a strict NVidia fanboi, I must admit. :P |
| 13:27.33 | AndyMillar | from back in my gaming days i've always been an ATI fanboy |
| 13:27.33 | antiphase | The ATI nonsense I'm forced to use in the office took me about 5 hours of Googling to get 2 screens not either displaying the same thing or spanned, and then it can only be done with 2 separate displays |
| 13:28.18 | AndyMillar | i dunno, our token gentoo user loves his ati |
| 13:28.27 | antiphase | with Option "ATiIsShit" "YesIKnow" |
| 13:29.44 | AndyMillar | hali: ough, the one i've seen that gets you 2xLFH-60 (so for 4x DVI) is GBP 385 |
| 13:29.59 | dick_turpin | ATI stands for "Av That Idiot" |
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| 14:07.49 | AndyMillar | hmm, 24" screens are cheap now too |
| 14:07.59 | DiscordianUK | How cheap is cheap? |
| 14:08.06 | AndyMillar | 130ish |
| 14:08.20 | DiscordianUK | That is beginning to sound promising |
| 14:08.28 | AndyMillar | eww, VGA only though |
| 14:08.32 | DiscordianUK | I wonder if santa will bring me one if I ask |
| 14:09.02 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Will buy us all one, he's loaded you know |
| 14:09.27 | Armand | is gonna kick santa's beardy head in if he doesn't bring a Samsung F3 1TB SATA drive. |
| 14:09.35 | AndyMillar | looks like 150ish before they start to get decent though |
| 14:10.05 | DiscordianUK | I shall have to wait a bit |
| 14:10.19 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: i'm sadly not paid *that* much |
| 14:10.23 | dick_turpin | Mr Bank Manager already brought me a WD Green 1TB |
| 14:10.30 | DiscordianUK | Need to get a 2nd Video card first |
| 14:11.10 | AndyMillar | i think i'll get the base system next month, then a new significant part every month after that and do a rolling upgrade |
| 14:11.23 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Just get me one then we can tell the others they was all naughty so didn't get one |
| 14:12.02 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: are you slim, blonde, female and with good assets? |
| 14:12.22 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: I can be anything you like deary |
| 14:12.32 | Armand | lol |
| 14:12.34 | Leeds | anyone need a Wave invite? |
| 14:12.43 | AndyMillar | i don't think that'll work :/ |
| 14:12.43 | Armand | pervs.. ;) |
| 14:12.54 | AndyMillar | Leeds: wtf is all this wave crap then? |
| 14:13.26 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: that said, my little bit on the side (Vickie) might get one ;) |
| 14:13.32 | dick_turpin | Search me, I have a wave account and as you say "Its crap" |
| 14:13.38 | Leeds | weird new age mixture of email, IM, collaborative editing (think wiki) and so on |
| 14:13.49 | Leeds | lots of potential, not much actual use right now |
| 14:13.53 | AndyMillar | sounds like it's a google "eat all your data" thing |
| 14:13.57 | Armand | Aww crap.. I forgot to charge my clippers. |
| 14:14.13 | DiscordianUK | I have an account I can't see the point |
| 14:14.15 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Ooh I was tempted to say something then |
| 14:14.26 | Leeds | it runs over xmpp, and can be federated - at least in theory - so you can run your own server and keep your data away from Google |
| 14:14.51 | AndyMillar | my trust of that actually happening is basically zero though |
| 14:15.09 | Leeds | I trust that side of things |
| 14:15.48 | AndyMillar | i may have to spend some significant time in the next year removing everything google related from my systems |
| 14:16.48 | Leeds | I am somewhat invested in Android right now |
| 14:17.11 | Leeds | although I seem to have at least semi-convinced my boss that he should make an iphone and mac available to me so I can learn to write iphone software |
| 14:17.17 | AndyMillar | to the point that I'm considering moving away from postini (as google bought them) and onto messagelabs |
| 14:17.54 | ChoHag | Why the sudden urge to degoogle? |
| 14:17.57 | z00dax | messagelabs are not all that clean either, they have some really wierd t&c's |
| 14:18.01 | AndyMillar | it's not sudden |
| 14:18.13 | ChoHag | No? |
| 14:18.46 | AndyMillar | no, I don't (for example) use gmail, never have and never will |
| 14:18.53 | AndyMillar | same goes for other hosted mail services |
| 14:19.21 | AndyMillar | I used to run my own spam filtering, but it's too much effort |
| 14:19.21 | ChoHag | Oh that's a point. I need to get my wife to stop using her hotmail account. |
| 14:19.24 | AndyMillar | z00dax: howso? |
| 14:19.29 | Mohan | I had no issues with message labs at all. |
| 14:19.33 | dick_turpin | I do :-) in fact I have about 5 gmail accounts \o/ |
| 14:20.01 | ChoHag | I use gmail for IM. |
| 14:20.23 | z00dax | AndyMillar: at one point, they were retaining random noise over the wire and using that for various internal purposes. |
| 14:20.44 | AndyMillar | problem with oursourcing spam filtering is that you've got to pick a big enough company that they're not going to read your mail, as you can't really trust small companies |
| 14:20.44 | z00dax | they state that they dont store emails on their system, but they dont say they wont retain 'network traffic' |
| 14:21.14 | z00dax | also, they dont have tls through the pipes |
| 14:21.25 | AndyMillar | tls is a paid-for addon |
| 14:21.29 | AndyMillar | unless you mean internally? |
| 14:21.37 | z00dax | only on the edges. internally its all non tls |
| 14:22.01 | z00dax | one can understand that it needs cleartext to do the content analysis - but they should not need to store things in that state |
| 14:22.24 | AndyMillar | oh awesome |
| 14:22.28 | z00dax | I just prefer doing my own spam filtering. |
| 14:22.53 | z00dax | but then, i also dont mind seeing the odd spam every few hours. |
| 14:26.26 | kjs | I feel like death I hope this is not swine flu |
| 14:26.37 | wethrin | swine flu's not as bad as regular flu |
| 14:27.01 | z00dax | wethrin: till you fall off and cease to exist ? |
| 14:27.41 | z00dax | speaking of flu.. have you seen the latest tweets / facebook updates from george ? |
| 14:30.10 | wethrin | mmm |
| 14:31.58 | z00dax | he does sound a bit off |
| 14:34.53 | ChoHag | 5 years and Evolution is still shit. |
| 14:35.07 | ChoHag | There is no excuse for any software that old that is not made by Microsoft to crash. |
| 14:35.13 | ChoHag | returns to Thunderturd. |
| 14:36.46 | dick_turpin | I looked again at Claws Mail and TBH its not that bad |
| 14:40.18 | kjs | is that some sort of exchange mail client? |
| 14:45.38 | dick_turpin | I believe it can do exchange |
| 14:59.52 | AndyMillar | z00dax: i'm tempted to start doing my own again, but it's just too much work to maintain# |
| 15:01.27 | Armand | That reminds me.. what's the going rate for 1 years domain reg these days? |
| 15:02.02 | z00dax | about $10 |
| 15:02.26 | AndyMillar | what tld? |
| 15:02.32 | Armand | must have missed something in the whole gllug.org.uk thing.. ? |
| 15:33.53 | AndyMillar | oh what the hell is the point |
| 15:33.55 | z00dax | Armand: what thing ? |
| 15:34.36 | z00dax | also, i seem to have headhunter quite keen on me picking up job as java-website-performance-tuning-person |
| 15:35.06 | z00dax | not sure why he ignores the fact that (a) I dont want it and (b) My experience with java is rather limited in nature |
| 15:35.18 | Armand | I'm wondering why you said "about $10".. when £££'s would be much more useful. ;) |
| 15:36.24 | z00dax | humm.. i seem to pay for all domains in $'s -tends to be a lot cheaper. in case of some tld's almost half price. |
| 15:36.39 | Armand | I see.. |
| 15:36.54 | Armand | You reckon I could do that via paypal ? |
| 15:37.06 | z00dax | yeah, i use paypal |
| 15:37.15 | Armand | Cool |
| 15:37.15 | AndyMillar | appears to be the only one that actually follows our change control procedure |
| 15:38.00 | z00dax | in which case, its not 'our' procedure, its 'your' procedure. |
| 15:38.35 | AndyMillar | s/our/the company, well documented,/ |
| 15:38.42 | AndyMillar | kicks ibot |
| 15:43.04 | AndyMillar | z00dax: you do realise that camalyn is an annoying ass, don't you? |
| 15:49.02 | ChoHag | Can we make IQ tests a requirement for signing up to an ISP? |
| 15:49.06 | ChoHag | Please? |
| 15:49.54 | ChoHag | Actually, let's make it a requirement for passing every birthday. |
| 15:52.28 | z00dax | AndyMillar: I've had a dose of that guy as well, this is someone else - Brian |
| 15:52.39 | z00dax | his company is strangely called Brainline |
| 15:53.05 | DiscordianUK | Hmmm |
| 15:53.46 | z00dax | its not you, undercover, is it DiscordianUK ? |
| 15:53.53 | z00dax | Discordian by night, Brian by day |
| 15:54.55 | DiscordianUK | Nah I'd have spelled it correctly BrianLine |
| 16:11.57 | kjs | They told me to go home and take paracetemol! |
| 16:12.29 | kjs | even though, my right tonsil is starting to show signs of puss... hate |
| 16:12.40 | wethrin | Have some Lemsip instead |
| 16:42.01 | *** part/#gllug dick_turpin (n=sales@217.34.163.30) |
| 16:55.16 | z00dax | tea sometimes helps too - make it saline if you can. ( not easy, i know! ) |
| 16:55.32 | z00dax | well, making it saline is easy, drinking it after that - not so much |
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| 19:02.22 | AndyMillar | yeah, i think i spend 500pa on domains :( |
| 19:02.32 | AndyMillar | i really need less domains :( |
| 19:02.49 | DiscordianUK | Good evening |
| 19:03.02 | AndyMillar | evenin |
| 19:03.08 | Mohan | Evening! |
| 19:12.31 | Armand | AndyMillar: I only want 1, maybe 2. |
| 19:14.46 | AndyMillar | i think i have 50 ;/ |
| 19:15.03 | AndyMillar | which is a little excessive for personal use |
| 19:15.50 | Armand | Yes. |
| 19:16.43 | DiscordianUK | just has 1 |
| 19:17.49 | Mohan | AndyMillar: if you want to drop a few domains, if the name is intresting i dont mind transferring one :) |
| 19:18.15 | AndyMillar | you're not a domain squatter are you? |
| 19:18.28 | Mohan | I have two domains which i dont use properly :( |
| 19:18.57 | Mohan | No I'm not, but I have to admit that i work on that field though. |
| 19:19.07 | Mohan | Online advertising .. |
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| 19:19.47 | Mohan | May be we can catch up somewhere outside.. |
| 19:19.49 | Mohan | oops wrong window! |
| 19:20.23 | DiscordianUK | haha |
| 19:21.03 | Mohan | blames irrsi split. |
| 19:27.13 | AndyMillar | ;p |
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| 22:21.21 | DiscordianUK | good evening |
| 22:21.29 | Armand | Evening. :) |
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