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01:01.54zeroXteno/
01:08.32ArmandHey zeroXten. :)
01:09.29zeroXtenheya
01:09.45ArmandHow goes it?
01:11.39zeroXtennot bad, about to run out of laptop juice after sorting out outage =/
01:11.55zeroXtenlaptop telling me to go to bed i guess
01:16.13ArmandYes.. :)
01:16.20ArmandI just leave mine plugged in. :P
01:21.10zeroXtenheh
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08:27.42AndyMillarmornin
08:28.20AndyMillarand oh cock it's late
08:42.01j0nrMorning
09:19.42zeroXtenmorning
09:24.54MohanMorning!
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09:56.13AndyMillarok, i *hate* hard links
09:56.18DiscordianUKMorning
09:56.48DiscordianUKLike link() rather than ln ones?
09:57.01AndyMillarno, as in ln (not ln -s)
09:57.36DiscordianUKAhhh yes but those hard links are everywhere
09:57.56antiphaseIn ur file systems incresing ur ref counts
09:58.16DiscordianUKbeen an important part of Unix since UR-bsd
10:02.16AndyMillaryeah, but when someone doesn't document the use of them, and then your rsync manages to use billions of spaces
10:02.35DiscordianUKUrggle
10:03.49DiscordianUKDoesn't -H preserve hardlinks?
10:04.02AndyMillaryes
10:04.58ChoHagPerl's automatic coercion to strings when necessary is highly addictive.
10:11.23AndyMillarDiscordianUK: but that's a problem when you don't know that they're there
10:11.54ChoHagIn fact, perl's automatic X is highly addictive, for any X.
10:12.05DiscordianUKWell yes , good documentation is the mark of an experienced and conscientious sysadmin
10:12.25Leedsand like many addictions, is dangerous in the long run
10:12.25AndyMillarDiscordianUK: this is some pre-packaged software :)
10:12.39DiscordianUKLovely jubbly
10:13.09AndyMillarso 90GB is turning into 150+
10:13.37AndyMillarwell, the volume i'm replicating into is only 150GB as that is "enough(tm)"
10:27.48ChoHagIf a heisenbug is a bug that's not there when you look for it, what's a bug that's only there when you look for it, and then doesn't go away until you look for it again?
10:33.01AndyMillar~seen billarh
10:33.02ibotAndyMillar: i haven't seen 'billarh'
10:33.03AndyMillar~seen billah
10:33.03ibotAndyMillar: i haven't seen 'billah'
10:33.05AndyMillarhmm
10:33.12AndyMillar~seen bilarh
10:33.13ibotbilarh <n=henrik@128-177-27-125.ip.openhosting.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 13d 17h 53m 55s ago, saying: 'dick_turpin: powm is never worksafe'.
10:33.14AndyMillarah, one l
10:33.22wethrinTab completion is great!
10:33.28AndyMillarindeed
10:33.36ChoHag... the error turned out to be the result of a tiny change in the geometry of the [LEP particle accelerator's] 27km circumference ring, physically caused by the deformation of the Earth by the passage of the Moon
10:33.38ChoHagPhase of the moon bug.
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12:06.12dick_turpinthrows the still beating heart of morsing on the ground
12:06.44wethrinWhat've you done?
12:07.12dick_turpinIts OK it was a mercy killing
12:07.49wethrinoh, carry on
12:10.13dick_turpinwethrin: Remember the "We want £200 out of hours install"?
12:10.52wethrinno?
12:11.01wethrinbut I think you've summarised it nicely
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12:14.03wethrinhi jason_ukfsn
12:14.51dick_turpinwethrin: The ESET install where the customer got his arse in his had? Never mind, we are doing it now! As we speak, so much for I need it at 7.30am
12:15.20wethrinNow is a far more civilised time to do it
12:19.29jason_ukfsnhi
12:40.11AndyMillarhmm
12:40.18AndyMillarok, how many of you lot use samba?
12:42.48ChoHagNot if I can help it.
12:44.28AndyMillarheh
12:44.31AndyMillarhas an odd issue
12:45.38dick_turpinWe know
12:46.54AndyMillarthanks...
12:47.58MohanAndyMillar: whats the issue btw?
12:48.37AndyMillarprinting is *painfully* slow from windows
12:48.48AndyMillarto the order of click print then wait 45-60 seconds
12:49.05AndyMillarit's even happening when printing from notepad
12:49.13AndyMillarso it's not as though the documents are complicated
12:50.37Mohanthats strange..
12:51.26AndyMillaridd
12:53.36Mohanmay be it has got to do something with socket options in samba conf. log file didnt help ?
13:00.18MohanAlso it could be due to the authentication of the user to print on it.
13:13.43antiphaseDo people still use directly-attached printers?
13:20.09jason_ukfsnI do but there are only 3 PCs that may ever talk to it and it's far easier to have it directly connected and shared via cups
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13:38.39AndyMillarantiphase: we have network printers shared via cups
13:38.50AndyMillarMohan: auth seems fine
13:39.01AndyMillaris trying disabling a firewall to see what happens
13:39.08antiphaseFail. What's wrong with IPP or JetDirect or socket connections?
13:39.30AndyMillarpita :)
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14:20.37londoAndyMillar: do you have any dead printers installed? the print dialog tries to contact everything from what I remember
14:28.34AndyMillarlondo: nope :)
14:48.19ChoHag"... you are liable for insurance claims if your dog damages something but not if your cat does. Sadly getting permits to keep Bengal Tigers in your back garden is very very difficult."
15:21.08AndyMillarpity, they're cute
15:54.08zeroXtenget a toyger instead
16:01.20dick_turpinRoar
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16:18.27AndyMillartries to remember what cv.ic.ac.uk is (again)
16:18.43wethrincivil engineering
16:18.45zeroXtenic \o/
16:18.49wethrin(hint: go to www.cv.ic.ac.uk)
16:19.25ChoHagWoo! I think I've passed a milestone.
16:19.27AndyMillaric++
16:19.36AndyMillarzeroXten: ex-ic?
16:19.38zeroXtenr
16:19.41AndyMillar\o/
16:19.44ChoHagI've met the first person who'd rather bitch about me than to me.
16:19.44zeroXtenheh
16:19.49zeroXtenwas only there for two years though
16:20.03zeroXtenran out of money =(
16:20.05ChoHagThus naturally speeding up the process of implementing the things he desires...
16:20.11AndyMillar:(
16:26.42zeroXtenwhat did you do at ic?
16:26.58Mohanwindow shopper
16:27.13zeroXtenread that as stripper
16:28.06Mohanwonders do they have strippers in ic ?
16:28.35zeroXtenonly male (85% male when i was there)
16:28.55Mohanbooo :(
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16:39.23z00daxso, whats the #gllug recommendation list for : podcasts worth listening to ?
16:39.50Armand|Lappydoesn't do podcasts..
16:42.55LeedsTWiT and the Economist weekly edition for me, nowadays
16:43.01Leedsand Radio 4 comedy
16:46.37z00daxthe economist went subscriber only i think!
16:47.10Leedsalways has been... but although my subscription lapsed about 8 months ago, I can still download it :)
16:47.41zeroXtenpauldotcom
16:50.53z00daxah, i used to be able to get to it for a while, perhaps that was due to my paper subscripting still running.
16:50.59z00daxmaybe i should try that again :)
16:51.11z00daxhumm pauldotcom
16:51.42zeroXtenr
16:53.14z00daxI really need to fix my work computer
16:53.16z00daxbrb
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17:13.25dick_turpinAaarrrggh I can do that job just posted to the mailing list
17:15.31jason_ukfsnSo apply for it then
17:15.57jason_ukfsnbut could you do it standing on Peter Cannon's head?
17:16.09dick_turpinAhahaha
17:17.01dick_turpinjason_ukfsn: Do you know who he is?
17:17.29jason_ukfsnNope but he is the one who indicated that standing on his head might be a qualification in his reply on the list.
17:17.33ChoHagI wonder if I should apply.
17:17.38ChoHagI worked there before.
17:17.58dick_turpinjason_ukfsn: I'm Peter Cannon :-)
17:18.28wethrinNo, I'm Peter Cannon!
17:18.30dick_turpinChoHag: Whats it like?
17:18.46ChoHagIt's not that bad.
17:18.47dick_turpinwethrin: Oh good, here have all my debts
17:19.48zeroXtenan mine
17:19.50zeroXten+d
17:19.58dick_turpinwethrin: I was gonna be cruel and play along making out I had no idea who he was but I'm a really really nice guy and would never ever do anything like that
17:20.11ChoHagOh I didn't notice it's the management position.
17:21.07dick_turpinI have nearly 30 years Management experience across multiple disciplines from private to public sector
17:21.20ChoHagPays not exactly great for a admin position.
17:21.33dick_turpinI'll take it
17:22.07ChoHagWell if you want to, go for it.
17:22.32ChoHagThe people it's managing are actually quite good at managing themselves so physical presense is probably not required all the time.
17:22.38dick_turpinEr commute from Wolverhampton, you having a laugh?
17:22.45wethrinwonders if by 'non-proprietory document format', they mean a format that no-one can generate?
17:23.04ChoHagIn fact when I was there I spent most of the time arguing with the manager at the time because he kept trying to manage me.
17:23.15dick_turpinwethrin: Back of a fag packet is no good then?
17:23.26wethrinCould do
17:23.59ChoHagdick_turpin: The point is, discuss the distance with Jake and maybe work from home 3/4 days a week.
17:24.02ChoHagCan't hurt to ask.
17:24.46ChoHagThe only thing a manager ever needs to be present for is to control the peons, and the peons there are all capable of looking after themselves.
17:25.10ChoHagAt least they were before and I have it on good authority (ie. from one of the peons still there) that that remains the case.
17:25.21dick_turpinI was at Herts Council offices many moons ago when I was young and impressionable where I watched a former boss present a tender on a opened out BH packet of fags. (True story on my kids lives)
17:25.35wethrinYour kids, but not your own?
17:25.53dick_turpinI'm young I can have more
17:25.53ChoHagMore kids can be made.
17:26.11wethrinyou're not young. You're old!
17:26.29dick_turpintakes one of wethrin's degree's away
17:27.01dick_turpinright I'm off ttfn
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