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| 07:52.18 | Mohan | morning |
| 07:52.26 | Leeds | no! |
| 08:10.50 | ChoHag | Unfortunately it is. |
| 08:10.57 | ChoHag | Thankfully this [working] week's last. |
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| 08:53.00 | jason_ukfsn | morning all |
| 08:53.08 | ChoHag | Bah. Losers. |
| 08:53.22 | ChoHag | <me> I would like to do <X> in emacs. |
| 08:53.28 | Leeds | hey jason_ukfsn |
| 08:53.45 | ChoHag | <them> You could run emacs on a tty and then <X> wouldn't even be possible, thus solving your problem. |
| 08:53.50 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds, how's life? |
| 08:54.02 | Leeds | not too bad - you? |
| 08:54.29 | jason_ukfsn | busy. I've been writing temporary interfaces to new broadband suppliers |
| 08:55.28 | Leeds | I've been writing facebook stuff and toys for Android |
| 08:56.39 | jason_ukfsn | well, the stuff I'm writing is only going to be used for a month or 2 as I am getting someone else to write a new ordering and management system for all of UKFSN's services. I just don't have the time or energy available to do it myself. |
| 08:57.21 | jason_ukfsn | So has the "freeze" in HK passed? |
| 08:57.29 | Leeds | freeze? |
| 08:57.43 | jason_ukfsn | a while ago you reported a "cold weather warning" |
| 08:58.01 | Leeds | oh, yeah, it warmed up again - I'm back in short sleeves, day and night :) |
| 08:59.34 | ChoHag | jason_ukfsn: Are C&W actually good these days? |
| 09:01.27 | jason_ukfsn | ChoHag, yes they are. They have a very good network. Pretty much all of the reports of problems I have seen were specific to ISPs who took a virtual pipe solution from them and then failed to purchase enough capacity - essentially duplicating the BTW business model. I'm not doing that. I'm having them terminate customer connections directly onto the Internet so there are no such issues. |
| 09:07.23 | ChoHag | What was the other thing? |
| 09:07.46 | ChoHag | Oh, yes, can't you take over from BT anyway? :) |
| 09:09.11 | jason_ukfsn | LOL ChoHag, I really would not want to. I prefer to have an ethical business model ;) |
| 09:09.44 | ChoHag | In this day and age? |
| 09:11.08 | zeroXten | morning |
| 09:11.26 | bilarh | morn |
| 09:11.59 | Leeds | jason_ukfsn: you'll never end up running a multinational investment bank, with that attitude |
| 09:12.37 | ChoHag | Quick. antiphase is coming. Everyone look busy. |
| 09:12.53 | bilarh | fiddles with something |
| 09:13.01 | ChoHag | Not like that! |
| 09:15.33 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds, oddly enough I'd rather have a business that makes a real profit rather than relying upon dishonest accounting and government bail outs |
| 09:15.53 | Leeds | and that, folks, is why they call him 'honest Jason' |
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| 09:16.02 | Leeds | and 'poor Jason' :P |
| 09:16.57 | jason_ukfsn | LOL Leeds, you are very right ;) |
| 09:17.18 | ChoHag | That same reason is why I've never seriously entertained the idea of going into business for myself. |
| 09:24.00 | jason_ukfsn | I've been tempted to go back to contracting at times but really I prefer to be able to support my family with my time more than money. |
| 09:37.53 | ChoHag | That may be the way I'll go. |
| 09:38.03 | ChoHag | But while my family is small, the money's more useful. |
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| 09:49.09 | Leeds | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/12/02/hong-kong-meet-up-is-friday-at-6pm/ |
| 09:50.24 | Leeds | since it's now 5:53pm and the venue is about 10 minutes walk away - I wish you all good weekend! |
| 09:50.51 | DiscordianUK | have a good one |
| 09:51.17 | ChoHag | Why is chef skipping over my remote_file resource? |
| 10:00.52 | antiphase | IT hates you |
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| 11:22.24 | AndyMillar | sodding EDF |
| 11:22.45 | DiscordianUK | why what have they done? |
| 11:23.04 | AndyMillar | power cut |
| 11:23.07 | antiphase | Probaly gone on strike, being Frogs |
| 11:23.14 | AndyMillar | has no power at home :( |
| 11:23.28 | DiscordianUK | Oh whereabouts is that? |
| 11:23.33 | AndyMillar | covent garden, london |
| 11:24.05 | DiscordianUK | That's gonna impact xmas shopping a bit then |
| 11:24.35 | AndyMillar | it's not everywhere, only some shops and flats |
| 11:24.43 | DiscordianUK | Ahhh |
| 11:25.32 | DiscordianUK | We had a week's worth of power cuts at home when some yoofs darwinated themselves stealing power cables from a substation |
| 11:27.34 | Armand | Now, THAT is retard-fail powaa! |
| 11:28.07 | DiscordianUK | 6 hours on, 3 hours off for a week |
| 11:28.16 | wethrin | Just like the 1970s, eh? :) |
| 11:28.35 | DiscordianUK | yeah |
| 11:28.47 | AndyMillar | tbh, i wouldn't mind that so much |
| 11:28.47 | Armand | That's ok.. with the UK's power infrastruture.. we can expect it all again soon. ;) |
| 11:32.16 | ChoHag | Stealing power cables? |
| 11:32.20 | ChoHag | Wtf were they going to do with them? |
| 11:32.29 | AndyMillar | sell as copper |
| 11:33.44 | DiscordianUK | That's my guess too |
| 11:37.07 | ChoHag | Is copper that dear? |
| 11:37.18 | wethrin | Yes |
| 11:38.26 | ChoHag | "As consumption in India and China increases, copper supplies are becoming scarcer." |
| 11:38.32 | ChoHag | I think we know the answer to that conundrum. |
| 11:40.03 | wethrin | Kill them all? |
| 11:41.18 | ChoHag | Exactly. |
| 11:41.29 | wethrin | and then steal their copper |
| 11:41.38 | ChoHag | We're pretty good at the whole invade-other-countries-to-steal-their-resources thing. |
| 11:41.52 | antiphase | Use aloominum instead |
| 11:44.48 | wethrin | Doesn't necessarily work as well |
| 11:44.56 | wethrin | Give the aloo to the poor people |
| 11:45.04 | ChoHag | According to the source of all knowledge there are plenty of other metals more abundant than copper. |
| 11:45.24 | antiphase | Everyone should use iron transformer windings |
| 11:46.11 | antiphase | We'll run out of gallium first anyway |
| 11:46.40 | wethrin | Eh. They'll just have to start mining landfills to recover metals |
| 11:47.25 | antiphase | We're all going to die in 2012 anyway |
| 11:48.12 | wethrin | Ahh yes. Was that the subject of the recent cinematic documentary? |
| 11:52.16 | ChoHag | wethrin: That'll be fun. |
| 11:57.39 | Armand | Nothing to do with documentaries.. it's a new part of the olympics.. People hunting. |
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| 14:32.59 | jason_ukfsn | Arg! I hate the mobile mechanic! |
| 14:33.53 | wethrin | Did you mobile not get fixed, then? |
| 14:48.23 | ChoHag | You prefer your plumbers bolted down? |
| 14:49.12 | ChoHag | Hmm. Does a plumber count as a mechanic? |
| 14:59.24 | jason_ukfsn | the plumber I had no problem with but that was 2 weeks ago and he did the job very well (completely stripped the boiler to fix a pilot igniting problem) |
| 14:59.48 | jason_ukfsn | The mobile car mechanic who came at 2:00 today I am not happy with. |
| 14:59.57 | ChoHag | Oh don't remind me. |
| 15:00.00 | ChoHag | We need a new boiler. |
| 15:00.11 | ChoHag | Luckily I have a father, but I still have to buy the boiler. |
| 15:00.35 | jason_ukfsn | My car wont start. He says it's the starter motor that's the problem but he doesn't have one. OK, says I, I can get one from that shop 30 meters over that way. He wont fit it. |
| 15:00.35 | ChoHag | Oh crap. Meeting. |
| 15:00.49 | ChoHag | Sod him. Get a new one. |
| 15:00.52 | ChoHag | Or fit it yourself. |
| 15:01.05 | jason_ukfsn | Don't buy a Valiant. Apparently the parts cost 2.5x the cost of a new one! |
| 15:03.04 | jason_ukfsn | Fitting starter motor on Astra diesel isn't straight forward any more. Have to jack up car, remove other bits, etc. |
| 15:05.17 | z00dax | getting a new starter motor into a ford mondeo was a near nightmare, plenty of stuff had to come out on the way in, and thankfully the guy managed to put all the bits back in again - except 2 screws. |
| 15:05.32 | z00dax | ( which he sort of claimed where already on the table before he started ) |
| 15:12.36 | jason_ukfsn | Thankfully the shop I can buy it from is able to fit it however I need to get the car around to the back of the shop to do this which means turning it around and pushing it about 500 meters. I'd do it now except there is a school here and lots of people driving to pick up kids, etc. Also pushing the car on my own isn't something I look forward to. My brother is coming over about 4.30 to lend a hand. |
| 15:14.32 | wethrin | Pushing a car is quite easy, unless there's uphill |
| 15:21.32 | jason_ukfsn | Pushing the car isn't the problem in itself. It's doing so while turning the car 180 degrees without causing a riot by delaying everyone else and no causing myself a heart attack. I'm not really very fit |
| 15:22.00 | wethrin | oh, hmm |
| 15:24.20 | AndyMillar | jason_ukfsn: so, you've got an hour to go to the pub :) |
| 15:37.00 | jason_ukfsn | AndyMillar, no, it's an hour to continue working through the large number of UKFSN customers who want moving to the C&W LLU product I offered to them on Wednesday. |
| 15:45.30 | kjs_ | l |
| 15:50.07 | ChoHag | I ought to add myself to that list. |
| 15:50.13 | ChoHag | Jason doesn't have enough to do... |
| 15:51.35 | jason_ukfsn | Processing them is easy and doesn't really cost any time. It's responding to all the email queries from people who did not read either of the 2 emails I sent out properly (or at all!) that are causing me time issues |
| 15:51.46 | ChoHag | Heh. |
| 15:51.49 | Leeds | UKFSN: "Offers dial-up modem and dual ISDN ISP services, including web space with PHP and MySQL access." |
| 15:51.50 | ChoHag | What? Read stuff? |
| 15:52.08 | ChoHag | This is the internet age. The age of instant global, usually written, communication. |
| 15:52.14 | ChoHag | You don't surely expect people to read stuff? |
| 15:52.37 | jason_ukfsn | Leeds, yes those are all offered too. Unfortunately google appears to be stuck on them. |
| 15:52.48 | Leeds | indeed :) |
| 15:52.58 | Leeds | do BT still offer ISDN lines? |
| 15:53.21 | jason_ukfsn | Oh yes. ISDN is still a very lucrative business for BT |
| 15:53.46 | ChoHag | Incidentally how does your /30 offer 2 IPs but the /29 offers 5? |
| 15:56.01 | jason_ukfsn | With any block of IPs you loose 2 of them for the network and broadcast addresses. On a block of 4 that leaves 2 usable. On a /29 it's 6 but most people discount one of those for the router. Should do the same for a /30 too |
| 15:56.30 | ChoHag | Oh good. I hoped that was it and not something weird. |
| 15:59.35 | ChoHag | So what sort of questions are they asking? |
| 15:59.44 | ChoHag | Those emails have pretty much covered everything I can think of. |
| 16:01.14 | hali | we have a few ISDN's from BT, they still do isdn drops to all les100 circuits for monitoring the mux' |
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| 16:21.48 | jason_ukfsn | ChoHag, most of the emails are asking the questions which are answered in the email I sent out yesterday. Perhaps it was just too long for them to be able to read or I didn't write it clearly enough. |
| 16:22.59 | jason_ukfsn | I've just spent 15 minutes on the phone to a customer explaining to him that I cannot check where his emails are going because he doesn't use our SMTP server. Some people really should not use computers. |
| 16:23.08 | rhowe | ChoHag: You can of course do some funky stuff with proxyarp and pretend to have a larger subnet, in order to use all 8 addresses of a /29 for internet-reachable hosts :) |
| 16:23.52 | AndyMillar | wonders if he just voided the warranty of a few k's of kit |
| 16:24.44 | AndyMillar | where's dick_turpin when you need him? |
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