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00:54.49 | gregj | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/airport-security-puts-three-bullets-through-macbook-hard-drive-survives/ |
00:55.01 | gregj | seriously, america - land of fucking freedom |
00:57.17 | gregj | oh, it is even nicer - that's israeli border control :) |
00:57.35 | gregj | holy wars.. |
00:57.43 | Leeds | meh |
00:57.48 | Leeds | there's something missing from the story |
00:57.54 | gregj | you think ? |
00:58.02 | gregj | well, I suppose it is jurnalism after all |
00:58.05 | gregj | http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ |
00:58.11 | gregj | that's the ladies blog |
00:58.25 | Leeds | I've dealt with Israeli airport security many times - they're *not* just going to pull a gun and shoot up someone's laptop unless there's a good reason |
00:59.27 | gregj | she had some arabic stickers on her laptop |
00:59.28 | gregj | :) |
00:59.46 | gregj | the most stuppid reason of all - religion. |
00:59.47 | gregj | heh |
01:00.00 | Leeds | she is at least somewhat of an activist |
01:00.20 | gregj | because she can read arabic ? |
01:00.21 | gregj | come on |
01:00.55 | gregj | and what exactly does shooting a presumed bomb will do ? |
01:01.33 | gregj | blow up the stuppid fucker who came up with the idea. And it is a shame it didn't really blew up, for that reason alone. |
01:01.53 | gregj | I remember, after 911 being well searched at heathrow |
01:01.57 | z00dax | gregj: you do know that bomb's dont just go off on their own ? |
01:02.18 | z00dax | eg. shooting the crap off a nuke isnt going to do anything worth writing home about |
01:02.28 | gregj | they took my hand watch, and shoes - and started pressing, kicking, and dropping on the floor. |
01:03.11 | gregj | I thought too myself - well, if that was a bomb, in presence of 100s of people in 'security' queues, that would be exactly what attacker wants to achieve, and you now helping ... |
01:03.18 | gregj | I mean, how stuppid is that. |
01:03.44 | gregj | z00dax: yes, but that doesn't mean that bulets wouldn't be able to set off some flamable/explosive material, because of friction, etc |
01:03.58 | z00dax | shooting a bomb isnt going to make it go off, unless its some seriously unstable homebrew crap |
01:04.14 | gregj | in any case, what was the reason they did it ? |
01:04.40 | z00dax | you better ask the guy who ordered the other guy who pulled the trigger :) |
01:04.47 | gregj | other than, few vicious kids, who obviously are small minded, and hate anything that's arabic/egiptian/etc shoot that stuff for fun |
01:05.07 | gregj | under cover of border controll, and serious 'terrorist fight' |
01:05.28 | gregj | I am sure it was just that, small minded fuck, who was vicious, and treats is as fun. |
01:05.42 | gregj | excuse my french. |
01:05.56 | z00dax | I find that highly unlikely |
01:06.13 | z00dax | but anyway, better things to do |
01:06.20 | gregj | well, I've seen that happening, and I know guys who would do that - in the army. |
01:06.49 | gregj | I wonder if they are going to pay for the thing... |
01:06.51 | gregj | probably not. |
01:10.49 | gregj | I highly doubt I'll ever get us visa after all that ranting I do in public... |
01:11.58 | gregj | Leeds: I can understand that they are affraid of bombings, etc. But this is just one step too far. On the other hand, she is american. Many ppl suffer worse on american border control points, (but nobody is shooting stuff...) |
01:13.27 | Leeds | it's not because she's American |
01:14.09 | gregj | I know |
01:14.28 | Leeds | it's more because she's an American who lives in Egypt, was carrying 'pro-Palestinian materials', had photos of anti-semitic stuff on her, etc. |
01:14.32 | gregj | if it wasn't for US, there would be no israel after 2nd world war.. |
01:14.48 | Leeds | actually, no |
01:14.49 | gregj | well, I think it is all her business. |
01:15.07 | gregj | and I don't think anyone should shoot stuff, because of any suspicion.. |
01:15.11 | Leeds | when Israel was created, it was much closer to being a communist friend of the soviets |
01:15.29 | gregj | and because they did - I think it is just a pure act of vandalism, driven by small minded thoughts. |
01:16.19 | gregj | but that is so close to the american policy. and the irony is, she is american... |
01:16.47 | Leeds | she had been traveling in Arab countries (at least one of which is an active enemy of Israel) |
01:17.02 | Leeds | I'm not saying the border guys were right to shoot up her laptop |
01:17.17 | Leeds | but she wasn't exactly an innocent tourist on her way to spend a week on the beach |
01:18.15 | gregj | well, if you can define somebody guilty of something, just because she's been traveling in arab countries.. |
01:18.51 | gregj | than they should seal that border off |
01:18.57 | gregj | and just refuse entrance. |
01:19.04 | gregj | not shoot somebody's stuff.. |
01:19.37 | Leeds | wouldn't be an issue for Egypt or Jordan... or even Qatar or UAE |
01:19.51 | Leeds | but Syria and Israel are still in a state of war |
01:20.07 | Leeds | I don't think she'd be allowed into Syria at all with an Israeli stamp in her passport, for example |
01:20.30 | gregj | so you are saying, that this sort of stuppid attitude is present on both sides. |
01:20.56 | gregj | heh, that's why I am not very tempted to go anywhere near those regions for holidays or whatever. |
01:22.00 | Leeds | no, I'm saying again that she is an activist, who had visited at least one enemy state, was carrying anti-semitic and pro-Palestinian materials, etc. |
01:22.17 | Leeds | not a tourist whose laptop was shot at because the guards were bored |
01:23.33 | Leeds | anyway, afk |
01:24.38 | gregj | well, why they granted her entrance to the country than ? |
01:24.42 | gregj | it just doesn't add up |
01:25.09 | gregj | on a side note, I wonder if Steve will buy her new laptop as replacement. After all that publicity |
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08:35.14 | bilarh | morning |
08:35.25 | bilarh | it was certainly a bit nippy outside this morning |
08:35.36 | bilarh | car temp gauge said -8 in places :S |
08:37.44 | Leeds | http://www.ctshk.com/english/destination/harbin/travel%20tips.htm is the plan for Feb |
08:38.01 | Leeds | average temperature -15, average lowest -21 |
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08:39.10 | bilarh | cool :) |
08:42.13 | Leeds | bloody cold! |
08:42.26 | Leeds | http://rtoddking.com/chinawin2009_hb_if.htm |
08:42.59 | bilarh | it's not gonna feel that cold |
08:43.05 | bilarh | if you wrap up warm, at least |
08:43.13 | Leeds | it is to my gf who is born and bred in HK |
08:43.29 | bilarh | it'll be nice and dry |
08:43.31 | bilarh | no problems |
08:43.44 | Leeds | me... suppose I might put a jacket and a jaunty hat on |
08:44.06 | bilarh | bah, you're supposed to be english and walk around in a t-shirt in winter |
08:44.25 | bilarh | just remember to keep the lips moisturised |
08:44.26 | Leeds | I put a long-sleeved polo on today for the second time this winter - and I'm warm :) |
08:44.27 | bilarh | with lots of cream |
08:44.44 | bilarh | ahem, to prevent chaffing |
08:44.50 | Leeds | yes, indeed |
08:45.25 | Leeds | funny thing is, we were in M&S at the weekend, who seem to be under the strange misconception that HK actually has a winter... selling big fleecy coats, thermals, multilayer hats and gloves |
08:45.48 | bilarh | hehe |
08:46.10 | bilarh | maybe it's for people who are going to harbin |
08:46.10 | Leeds | bit expensive to equip oneself there for a few days in the cold |
08:46.25 | bilarh | can you rent the gear? |
08:46.33 | Leeds | from M&S? ;) |
08:46.47 | bilarh | i know that tourists who go from england to finland get the option to rent proper gear |
08:46.50 | Leeds | yeah, might look into that |
08:47.10 | bilarh | because apparently not that many english people have gear for -40 :D |
08:47.18 | bilarh | and yes, it's fscking expensive as well |
08:49.26 | Leeds | I want to look in places like sample shops |
08:49.32 | bilarh | in other news, english drivers still can't drive in winter |
08:49.53 | bilarh | so it's minus friggin eight degrees outside |
08:50.00 | Leeds | heh |
08:50.05 | bilarh | i'm doing 30mph down a b road |
08:50.10 | bilarh | in the middle of the forest |
08:50.12 | bilarh | with icy patches |
08:50.20 | bilarh | frost gleaming on the tarmac |
08:50.44 | bilarh | how many van drivers decide i'm going way too slow for the conditions and overtake me? :P |
08:50.50 | Leeds | my sort-of-boss is wandering around the office offering people hot chocolate, because it's fallen to the mid-teens |
08:51.12 | bilarh | *three* |
08:51.34 | Leeds | forecast down to 10C on Sunday night - that's about as cold as it gets |
08:51.36 | bilarh | but as soon as there's a snow flake about, they'll all be doing 5mph |
08:51.44 | bilarh | 10c is pretty cold out there, though |
08:52.03 | bilarh | i remember going in feb a couple of years back and i actually had to buy a jacket |
08:53.32 | bilarh | BA union leader: "we have taken the decision to disrupt peoples plans with a heavy heart" |
08:53.41 | bilarh | nothign to do with you wanting xmas off then, eh? |
08:55.31 | Leeds | 10C is a normal winter low |
08:55.50 | Leeds | wonder if Branson has been contributing to the union party fund |
08:57.08 | bilarh | hehe probably |
08:57.13 | bilarh | and michael o'leary |
09:04.46 | hali | morning |
09:25.14 | antiphase | Stupid union scum. I'd sack the lot of them |
09:38.56 | bilarh | indeed |
09:39.52 | antiphase | We need Maggie to come back and sort them out |
09:43.29 | bilarh | more of the same from the boys in blue: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/15/italian-student-police-arrest-filming |
09:46.17 | hali | argh, we've got a new deverloper, trying to prove his worth. I rejecting all his databases changes in an app release ... cowboy |
09:46.24 | hali | I'm* |
09:48.04 | hali | he's using check constraints where he should have had foreign keys ... bla bla ... constraint naming is not following our standards |
09:48.55 | hali | plus he created a table called "site_history" with the double quotes in the sql script, hence oracle makes the table case sensitive all lower-case |
09:49.29 | hali | i used to hate code collaborator, now i quote like it.. he can't commit his changes as i reject the review.. haha |
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10:17.01 | Mohan | I have a requirement to monitor the bwusage on each ip on a small network(24/32)ports, any recommendations for managed switch which allows to do this ? |
10:19.10 | antiphase | Get some rude bwoys to count the packets |
10:19.53 | antiphase | It probably depends how much loot you have |
10:20.05 | antiphase | Look for switches with SNMP capability |
10:21.14 | Mohan | SNMP is fine, but will it be possible to calculate bwusage per ip on the network? |
10:21.33 | antiphase | Per port |
10:21.45 | Mohan | oh ok, per port. |
10:21.46 | antiphase | If you want per address accounting, you'll need a router to do it |
10:22.43 | Mohan | cisco 3500 series should be fine ? |
10:23.51 | antiphase | Certainly |
10:23.53 | Mohan | I'm fine with per port, as its going to be snmp,I can map port to the location in the report. |
10:27.00 | Mohan | cool, thanks. |
10:50.41 | hali | a 2960 would do it unless you need layer 3 |
10:51.16 | hali | something like cacti would do that fine |
10:52.16 | hali | or a juniper ex3200 |
10:52.27 | hali | hardware wise that is |
10:53.28 | Mohan | hali: I'm not bothered about layer 3, the requirement is to monitor bandwidth per host on a small network. |
10:53.41 | hali | 2960 is the easy solution |
10:54.04 | Mohan | ok, I will have a look at it. thanks :) |
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11:13.17 | Mohan | yay! its snowing here :D |
11:26.21 | rhowe | here (gherkin) too |
11:26.26 | wethrin | hey rhowe |
11:26.52 | rhowe | heya |
11:26.56 | ChoHag | Bah. For no discernable reason the laptop now uses its own speakers when the headphones are unplugged. |
11:27.00 | wethrin | can I tempt you to the SMWS next week? |
11:27.08 | ChoHag | So now I have to be careful not to irritate anybody. |
11:27.13 | wethrin | ChoHag: That's what's supposed to happen... |
11:27.25 | ChoHag | Yes, but it didn't and I was happy with that. |
11:27.28 | rhowe | wethrin: Only if it's Monday |
11:27.37 | wethrin | Monday could happen |
11:27.47 | rhowe | Let me consult Google |
11:28.11 | rhowe | hmm, potentially |
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11:40.03 | wethrin | hurrah |
11:42.12 | Leeds | HIGNFY+curry :D |
11:43.11 | wethrin | ooh, yes |
11:46.05 | bilarh | w00t, welding tonight :D |
11:46.19 | bilarh | yes, i'm sad :P |
11:46.52 | wethrin | yes, yes you are |
11:46.59 | wethrin | wait. I'm not dick_turpin |
11:47.14 | bilarh | you got the first part rigth, though ;) |
11:47.22 | wethrin | heh |
11:48.44 | Leeds | hmm, godwin reference |
11:49.10 | wethrin | where? |
11:49.15 | wethrin | oh, hignfy? |
11:56.42 | AndyMillar | it's snowing here (shepherds bush) too :/ |
11:57.32 | antiphase | It just stopped in W6 so it will stop there soon I predict |
11:57.34 | antiphase | bets 50p on it |
12:09.59 | z00dax | snow! |
12:12.13 | Leeds | what's snow? |
12:14.52 | z00dax | outside the window, and on the streets as we walked into work. |
12:15.23 | z00dax | I've not really spent enough of my life around places where it snows on a regular basis. Which is why I still find it quite nice. |
12:15.42 | z00dax | on the other hand, I've lived through many a monsoon. But I still find rain to be quite cool |
12:24.45 | ChoHag | http://www.tuxphone.co.uk/tariff.html - lists pstn prefixes and their costs. |
12:24.57 | ChoHag | About halfway down are the costs for prefix '4.4E+09' |
12:34.09 | bilarh | we've got snow in crawley now too |
12:46.51 | hali | it snowed here for about 2 minutes |
12:46.59 | Leeds | oh Jesus... current *high* for Harbin is -18C |
12:47.06 | Leeds | should I really be planning to go there on holiday? |
12:47.23 | wethrin | yes |
12:47.28 | wethrin | There'll probably be snow |
12:47.29 | Leeds | (the low is -24C) |
12:47.41 | Leeds | wethrin: did you see the photos? |
12:48.02 | wethrin | no... |
12:48.03 | Leeds | http://www.rtoddking.com/chinawin2009_hb_if.htm |
12:48.18 | Leeds | there'll be possibly the biggest snow and ice festival in the world - that's the point of going |
12:48.40 | Leeds | (also, interesting Jewish history, but it's a long way to fly somewhere very very cold to see a Jewish museum) |
12:48.41 | wethrin | cool |
12:48.46 | wethrin | Right. Lunch. |
12:52.05 | z00dax | Leeds: hanging around in that cold, will also require oneself to be mostly drunk, most of the time. |
12:52.28 | Leeds | fortunately, the three famous local cuisines are bread, sausages and beer |
12:52.43 | Leeds | the second best-known/biggest brewery in China is there :) |
12:53.21 | Leeds | sorry, 4th largest |
13:00.47 | mindbendr | Hi everyone |
13:01.00 | hali | hm, we have a new russian girl in the office, im almost certain i've seen her in some film... possibly with rocco :P |
13:01.13 | mindbendr | I've got 2 servers with full of data on XFS, on one of the servers we have got 6xTB disks raid6 array and the other one has 12x1TB raid6 array (both fiber). When I do `time find .` in the data folder, I get speeds 2-3 times slower on the 1TBx12 array which I'd expect it to be the same if not faster the XFS fs'es are created by the default values, do you have any suggestions for me to find the issue (whether is it fs related or not) ? and I flush |
13:02.30 | hali | get disk statistics from the arrays? |
13:02.38 | hali | are they jbods or hardware raid? |
13:03.04 | mindbendr | hardware raid |
13:03.19 | hali | make? |
13:03.36 | mindbendr | what's that mean? |
13:03.41 | hali | who made the array |
13:03.52 | hali | lsi/sun/hp? |
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13:04.47 | bilarh | oh no, he's here again |
13:04.59 | mindbendr | hali: 3rd party but i can find out about what's in it |
13:05.09 | mindbendr | hali: how would that help? |
13:05.20 | hali | to figure out what tool to use to get statistics from it |
13:05.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ding dong merrily on high the Christmas bells are ringing |
13:05.34 | hali | mindbendr: i presume hba's etc are identical for both setups? same switches etc? |
13:05.38 | londo_ | if the amount of files isn't the same then what you get isn't a surprise |
13:06.17 | hali | i.e. i use netapps and i use data fabric manager to get filer stats |
13:06.45 | mindbendr | hali: hmm it's got the management webpages but i don't think it'd have the stats |
13:07.02 | rhowe | http://www.virgindigitalhelp.co.uk/ |
13:07.42 | hali | mindbendr: what does bonnie or another type of disk benchmark tool say? |
13:08.06 | mindbendr | hali: the slower hardware is a co-located server (we expect it to be slower because of the 2TBx6 disks) |
13:08.29 | mindbendr | hali: the one we expect to see faster is connected via fiber to the server |
13:09.02 | londo_ | find generates mostly random IO so for raid6 the amount of disks doesn't make a huge difference |
13:09.25 | mindbendr | hali: I didn't try bonnie because I thought it could affect the server as it's live, I simply use `find` and dd /dev/zero |
13:10.28 | mindbendr | hali: and another weird thing is, we use rsnapshot for backing up the same data, when I `time find` on the same data on the same disks but in a different directory with hardlinks (meaning rsnapshot folders), I get the same results |
13:10.48 | mindbendr | hali: however when I run the tests where the actual data resides, it appears to be slower on the test server |
13:10.59 | mindbendr | hali: and the data is identical (at least according to rsync) |
13:11.09 | mindbendr | on both of the servers/dirs |
13:11.32 | mindbendr | londo_: wouldn't it be faster on 12 disks to access randomly instead of 6? |
13:12.10 | mindbendr | londo_: and the amount of data is the same |
13:12.35 | mindbendr | they are completely identical service (Data wise) as I've mirrored them with rsync (even the OS) |
13:12.38 | londo_ | mindbendr: not really, since the amount of data is small you only hit one disk at a time |
13:12.41 | mindbendr | *service=servers |
13:13.29 | mindbendr | londo_: would it expect it to be slower like 4 times (so on the live server it takes 30 seconds whereas it takes 2.5 minutes on the test server) |
13:13.47 | mindbendr | londo_: consider the cash has been getting flushed. |
13:15.46 | mindbendr | hali: these storages are dedicated (not shared) and they don't use iSCSI etc. |
13:16.27 | mindbendr | hali: so I don't think datafabric type management would help? they use fiber channel controllers |
13:17.24 | hali | same fiber cards? |
13:17.54 | hali | same io scheduler? same tunables in /etc/sysctl.conf |
13:17.56 | hali | etc |
13:19.24 | mindbendr | they both are centos 5.3 so for the i/o scheduler |
13:19.58 | mindbendr | and the OS has been mirrored by me to this test server so I'd expect all the kernel params to be the same |
13:20.22 | mindbendr | and I forgot to mention that |
13:20.53 | mindbendr | this mirror is a paravirtualised VM however, I have mounted the device on the Dom0 and did the same test and got the same result |
13:21.08 | mindbendr | whereas the other server is not virtualised |
13:21.43 | mindbendr | but as I've mounted it on Dom0 as a normal device and I've seen the command performed the same results as in the VM |
13:21.55 | mindbendr | I don't think that would be related |
13:22.23 | mindbendr | and afaik XEN uses the same i/o scheduler |
13:24.21 | mindbendr | I'll boot the dom0 with a non-xen kernel and do the test again just in case. |
13:29.49 | dick_turpin | Hands up all those who have snow UK only bilarh, there's always one |
13:33.45 | ChoHag | People who comment out sections of code and then commit to a vcs need to get a beating every time they do it. |
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13:58.06 | antiphase | Running non-scientific non-comparable tests on running servers is completely meaningless |
13:58.21 | antiphase | You might as well break up some rocks for the afternoon |
13:58.52 | gregj | is further up to north, and on different island - no snow here yet. |
14:00.06 | bilarh | dick_turpin: what are you on about, old boy? |
14:00.23 | bilarh | s/boy/fool/ |
14:01.26 | dick_turpin | gregj: None here in Wolverhampton/Birmingham I wonder if I can take GMT TV to court for giving out incorrect info? I was promised snow |
14:03.30 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm not on very much but would have been if I'd have got that job :-( |
14:04.17 | gregj | well, nothing here in Belfast either |
14:04.30 | gregj | and I would so love to see the snow. I just love to watch the panic it causes :) |
14:04.44 | bilarh | we had a couple of snow flakes |
14:04.58 | bilarh | i hope we get snow like last year :D |
14:06.44 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: what did I do? |
14:08.22 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Not a lot looking at your last review :-) |
14:14.29 | AndyMillar | review? |
14:18.25 | dick_turpin | throws a blunt object at AndyMillar |
14:18.38 | AndyMillar | dodges |
14:18.44 | AndyMillar | my ssl cert for ym blog ran out last night |
14:18.48 | AndyMillar | hangs his head in shame |
14:26.06 | dick_turpin | is currently on hold to Sage UK "This should be fun" |
14:31.44 | dick_turpin | OMG that was easy |
14:32.52 | AndyMillar | o_O |
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