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08:35.40 | bilarh | morning people |
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09:30.27 | Mohan | morning |
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09:46.56 | Leeds | how's the weather in London today? |
09:50.05 | Alex | Cold, but uninterestin |
09:50.06 | Alex | g |
09:51.06 | Leeds | no snow? |
09:53.02 | Alex | Not here |
09:56.33 | ChoHag | No more all week apparently. |
09:58.52 | Leeds | bah, boring |
09:59.26 | Leeds | in that case, I'm going to winter solstice dinner |
09:59.57 | Leeds | aka |
10:00.00 | Leeds | 'winter come dinner' |
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12:07.18 | dick_turpin | Afternoon All |
12:07.22 | wethrin | 'ello |
12:07.33 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Ooh just the man |
12:07.37 | wethrin | whatup? |
12:08.01 | dick_turpin | Nothing, teach me screen or I will hit you :-) |
12:08.32 | dick_turpin | Hit me with your rhythm stick hit me hit me |
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12:10.34 | wethrin | dick_turpin: 'screen' starts a new session |
12:10.44 | wethrin | ^A-d detaches screen |
12:10.49 | wethrin | 'screen -r' reattaches |
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12:12.29 | dick_turpin | I have a "Screen for dummies" however when I invoke 'screen' the hostname/teminal name (Whatever its called) stays the same is there a way that when you invoke screen it can say sales@screen1 or something? |
12:12.36 | wethrin | ^A-? |
12:12.39 | wethrin | gives oyu help |
12:12.49 | wethrin | Probably :) |
12:12.58 | wethrin | But that's more to do with your PS1 variable |
12:13.45 | dick_turpin | Hm |
12:14.05 | dick_turpin | http://linuxgazette.net/147/appaiah.html |
12:14.10 | antiphase | You'd want a PROMPT_COMMAND probably |
12:14.22 | antiphase | I find it easier to configure a status bar in screen |
12:14.49 | wethrin | buggers orff |
12:15.35 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Yeah yeah that's what I need I think |
12:16.14 | dick_turpin | Something that says "Oi idiot you're on *Screen* #1 |
12:16.51 | antiphase | My ~/.screenrc looks like [[ |
12:16.52 | antiphase | hardstatus alwayslastline "%{= bd}%{c}(%H) %{+b y}%t %=%{-b c}%D, %d %M %Y %c" |
12:16.53 | antiphase | shell -/bin/bash |
12:16.55 | antiphase | ]] |
12:17.20 | dick_turpin | Also am I doing it right in that I'm running screen on the remote box |
12:17.24 | antiphase | It's a bit cheesy and multicoloured, but it tells me the host machine and window name, and the time and date |
12:18.16 | antiphase | It's sensible to run it somewhere it can live for a while, or on the machine where you need to background and recover shell sessions |
12:19.10 | dick_turpin | and I don't appear to have ~/.screenrc in /home/sales mind you I did something silly and rang screen as root at first if that makes a difference? |
12:19.48 | antiphase | It makes sense if you want all new windows to be created as a root shell |
12:20.18 | antiphase | It's probably not really advisable in principle though, because you never know who might be able to recover the session |
12:22.03 | dick_turpin | no I don't I prefer to su - anyway. so do I create my own .screenrc file or have I stuffed it? |
12:23.04 | antiphase | Any user can have one of course |
12:24.17 | antiphase | Top tip is also to change the control sequence introducer key, so when you try and use Ctrl-a to go to the beginning of the line it doesn't do weird stuff |
12:24.25 | antiphase | is a Ctrl-b man |
12:25.59 | dick_turpin | I want to learn to walk first before I start running, I need to sort out this missing .screenrc file first then I'll use your code so I can see what's happening |
12:29.21 | Mohan | if you have multiple screens running you can name a session like this "screen -S screen1", and for reattaching "screen -r screen1" |
12:36.16 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I think I typed your code wrong :-( |
12:36.55 | antiphase | You neede everything between the delimiting [[ and ]] brackets. Is your copy and paste not working today? :P |
12:37.41 | dick_turpin | Aha I did but I think I missed [[ off brb |
12:38.30 | dick_turpin | Hm no I didn't [[hardstatus alwayslastline "%{= bd}%{c}(%H) %{+b y}%t %=%{-b c}%D, %d %M %Y %c" shell -/bin/bash]] |
12:38.33 | antiphase | Between means between, and not including |
12:38.41 | antiphase | 2 lines, like I pasted |
12:39.16 | dick_turpin | So 'shell' is on a new line? |
12:39.36 | antiphase | Of course |
12:39.43 | antiphase | Otherwise I wouldn't have pasted 2 lines |
12:40.46 | dick_turpin | Hm that killed my screen? |
12:41.07 | dick_turpin | Sorry mate I'm too dense for you but thatnks for trying |
12:41.12 | dick_turpin | thanks even |
12:43.16 | dick_turpin | Hm if flashed up really fast something about 1 argument required |
12:50.09 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Huzzah! Done it! needed to remove the [[ and the ]] doh! Is there a way to make that status bar be at the top? |
13:28.18 | antiphase | man screen |
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13:32.52 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Busy playing, Ctrl--shift--C a is not giving me a list of the 3 screens? Ctrl--shift--C a n (p) works though |
13:33.40 | antiphase | Why would you run more than one screen? Do you mean windows? |
13:33.51 | dick_turpin | Yeah sorry |
13:33.56 | antiphase | Ctrl-a " is the standard command for that |
13:34.20 | dick_turpin | Yeah except I don't get a list? |
13:34.47 | antiphase | Have you set the control sequence to Ctrl-c ? |
13:34.54 | antiphase | suspects that won't very well |
13:35.38 | antiphase | Or are you being a n00b and reading the man page wrong? |
13:35.44 | antiphase | C-a means Ctrl-a |
13:35.54 | antiphase | RTFM foo'! |
13:36.03 | dick_turpin | ahahaha Noob boy |
13:43.09 | dick_turpin | antiphase: C-a " :-P |
14:35.40 | ChoHag | Why, with screen, must you press C-a a to get a real C-a? |
14:35.57 | ChoHag | To get a real C-a in minicom in screen, the keypresses are C-a a C-a a |
14:36.01 | ChoHag | Which is really confusing. |
14:36.44 | Mohan | its normal to run multiple screen sessions on a machine if multiple users uses same login |
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14:37.47 | Mohan | dick_turpin: "screen -list" would list the sessions if thats what you are looking for. |
14:39.00 | dick_turpin | Mohan: That sounds mor sensible however I discovered the command, TBF I suppose the less characters required makes it more productive |
14:39.25 | dick_turpin | s/mor/more |
14:39.32 | dick_turpin | bum |
14:41.54 | AndyMillar | Mohan: when do you have multiple users sharing the same logins? |
14:42.03 | Mohan | ChoHag: screen /dev/ttyS0 would directly read the serail port why do you need minicom under screen ? |
14:43.07 | dick_turpin | And isn't minicom like really old? |
14:44.51 | ChoHag | really really old |
14:44.56 | ChoHag | I haven't used it in ages. |
14:46.33 | Mohan | AndyMillar: there are places you can see that its the root equivalent login but not root. |
14:47.08 | AndyMillar | Mohan: named users and sudo then? |
14:48.17 | Mohan | what if two users run sudo screen , both session would run as root I suppose. |
14:48.19 | dick_turpin | I don't like sudo |
14:49.26 | AndyMillar | Mohan: I can't comprehend why anyone would do that :/ |
14:49.45 | antiphase | Who would ever run `sudo screen`? |
14:49.48 | AndyMillar | well, if you're doing that then you're "doing it wrong" |
14:49.55 | AndyMillar | (tm) |
14:50.02 | antiphase | You'd end up with something rather wacky |
14:50.16 | dick_turpin | Actually what I cant understand, as an old lag, is when I started with this Linux crap everyone banged on about how the Root account was the pinnacle of security keeping Joe User away from what he shouldn't mess with |
14:51.04 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: that's how it is now |
14:51.13 | dick_turpin | Yet today its all "Oh just edit your sudo users file then they can rape your system till their hearts content" |
14:51.23 | Mohan | lets say the system is administered by 2 people, I have started a script as root and left it. the other can start his own session and do his stuff without bothering mine. |
14:51.49 | AndyMillar | Mohan: that means you're logged in as root (and therefore doing it wrong) |
14:52.06 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: sudo's not there to allow rapeage, it's there for accountability (or that's how it should be used) |
14:52.28 | antiphase | And you probably didn't put a password on your screen, so someone else can hijack it, run some evil commands, and then you get sacked |
14:52.42 | AndyMillar | i.e. you don't give your users sudo - you give sudo access to your sysadmins instead of root |
14:52.46 | AndyMillar | antiphase++ |
14:53.04 | dick_turpin | Na its there so that lazy sysadmins don't have to keep sorting out Joe Users machine ;-) |
14:53.39 | AndyMillar | nah, logging in everywhere as root is the sign of lazy sysadmins :) |
14:54.05 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: And I know a few who do that too |
14:54.18 | AndyMillar | shudders |
14:54.50 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: I even know one or two who sign into IRC as root user! |
14:54.55 | AndyMillar | ! |
14:55.07 | antiphase | startkeylogger |
14:55.12 | ChoHag | There was a distribution of Linux where root was the only user. |
14:55.18 | ChoHag | I forget which. |
14:55.22 | dick_turpin | Puppy Linux |
14:55.29 | Mohan | Its a small environment, we use ssh based key auth for it, using sudo or not doesnt make a difference |
14:56.16 | Mohan | even if you give sudo, sudo bash will give root access |
14:56.30 | Mohan | what accountablity can you have with that ? |
14:57.03 | ChoHag | That's why you don't have 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' in /etc/sudoers. |
14:57.07 | ChoHag | Or whatever the syntax is. |
14:57.25 | ChoHag | Although I do that for myself on my workstation(s). |
14:57.26 | Mohan | I certainly agree sudo is the better way of doing it. |
14:57.38 | AndyMillar | (.*) is the better way of doing it |
14:58.12 | dick_turpin | chmod 777 better still, we'll you may as well |
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14:59.27 | antiphase | Again, if `sudo bash` or `sudo su -` is the type of commands they're running, they'd be outside the Job Centre by next week |
14:59.58 | ChoHag | Yeah. They should use sudo -i |
15:00.28 | ChoHag | Or -s |
15:01.20 | AndyMillar | tries to remember if auditd can track you if you sudo bash |
15:01.34 | AndyMillar | I suspect you could do it |
15:01.54 | Mohan | sudo anyshell would give you root access |
15:02.12 | Mohan | sudo script which you allowed and run any commands with in the script. |
15:02.28 | AndyMillar | sudo vi as well |
15:02.30 | Mohan | its the trust which matters most than the restrictions. |
15:02.47 | AndyMillar | hands Mohan over to the auditors |
15:03.46 | Mohan | Especially if there is only 2 users administering the system, its pretty clear that eithier one of us has f***ed it up. |
15:04.05 | ChoHag | And it was always the other one? |
15:05.39 | dick_turpin | looks and gestures with his eyes at Mohan while being asked about the failure |
15:06.11 | Mohan | can always stand up for his mistakes :) |
15:06.15 | antiphase | sudo rm -rf some_directory / |
15:06.42 | AndyMillar | sudo rm -rf /var/log/ |
15:06.51 | AndyMillar | "it wasn't me" |
15:07.19 | Mohan | why would someone want to do that ? |
15:08.12 | ChoHag | Mohan: After a while, you will know that the correct way to ask that question is "When will someone do that?" |
15:08.45 | ChoHag | After which it will very quickly become "When will someone try to do that again? Soon I hope." |
15:12.20 | dick_turpin | We had to destroy the city to save it :-) |
15:12.51 | Mohan | dick_turpin: why just the city ? why not the world ? |
15:12.52 | dick_turpin | Or save our arse more to the point |
15:13.51 | antiphase | Pyrrhus would be proud |
15:15.52 | dick_turpin | I'm still not convinced with this sudo lark if it was me I'd make it so that apps ect got installed as normal users and any folders or files they had to write too was associated with the user ID range or something |
15:17.28 | ChoHag | They generally are. |
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15:22.56 | dick_turpin | So we are doing some consultancy and have quoted a day rate price and estimated that potentially it will take two days "Can I get a discount if its more then two days on the additional days rate?" |
15:24.39 | dick_turpin | "Yeah course, the amount of work you need could take a month I know lets do it for free shall we I mean its not as if we have wages or anything to pay we do this as a hobby" |
15:30.53 | AndyMillar | awesome, mailserver load of ~80 |
15:50.12 | zeroXten | anyone recommend a DSL modem/router which is particularly good on crappy lines? |
15:50.51 | zeroXten | i've lost touch with these things since leaving tiscali |
15:51.25 | antiphase | I think it depends on your line |
15:53.20 | zeroXten | fairly high SNR it seems (not my line) |
16:00.41 | AndyMillar | wants to kill Mark Slater |
16:02.33 | zeroXten | who? |
16:04.28 | dick_turpin | checks his birth certificate to make sure he is not Mark Slater |
16:05.07 | zeroXten | sounds like someone from something like eastenders |
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16:10.33 | AndyMillar | <PROTECTED> |
16:12.29 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Has he registered sudousers.co.uk or something? |
16:18.58 | AndyMillar | no, he's registered a domain I'd rather like |
16:19.07 | AndyMillar | and object to paying GBP 1600 for |
16:19.52 | dick_turpin | Just pinch it |
16:19.56 | AndyMillar | how? |
16:20.13 | dick_turpin | Spoof the address :-) |
16:20.23 | AndyMillar | ? |
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16:31.31 | AndyMillar | wonders if a domain dispute would be easier or not |
16:32.32 | antiphase | andymillar.org is free |
16:33.36 | AndyMillar | that's not the one I want :) |
16:35.04 | dick_turpin | What is the one you want |
16:35.12 | AndyMillar | millar.co.uk |
16:36.08 | dick_turpin |  Renewal date:  07-Jan-2010 |
16:36.09 | antiphase | Might as well dispute it, as it's clearly not in any way related to the squatting scum at all |
16:36.11 | AndyMillar | (well, and andymillar.com, andrewmillar.com, andrewmillar.co.uk) |
16:36.38 | dick_turpin | See what happens on or around the 10th |
16:36.47 | antiphase | Send him email saying "SEll it to me now for 50 quid or I'll have it taken off you, fool" |
16:37.50 | AndyMillar | hmm, might wait till the 11th January and try that |
16:38.30 | dick_turpin | I take it you have his address? (I can see it) |
16:38.37 | AndyMillar | indeed I do :) |
16:38.46 | AndyMillar | I'd pay GBP 100, but GBP 1600 is stupid |
16:38.51 | antiphase | Fireworks through the letter box |
16:38.51 | dick_turpin | He's up near me :-) |
16:39.11 | AndyMillar | ooh |
16:40.03 | dick_turpin | About 15 mile as the crow flies but a real bitch to get to |
16:42.11 | ChoHag | [How] to download an rpm from yum without installing it? |
16:42.18 | ChoHag | s/to/can you/ |
16:42.53 | boudiccas | ChoHag, with difficulty |
16:43.04 | dick_turpin | Save as |
16:43.08 | ChoHag | Nice. |
16:43.11 | dick_turpin | :-D |
16:43.46 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: http://www.sedo.com/search/details.php4?language=us&domain=millar.co.uk&partnerid=17505 |
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16:44.01 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: I'm not sure that's allowed |
16:44.22 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Could do with checking with nominet |
16:44.40 | AndyMillar | what (specifically) isn't allowed? |
16:44.49 | AndyMillar | has read the dispute policy a few times |
16:44.50 | dick_turpin | Seeing as he is an individual using a quasi ebay for domains site |
16:45.48 | dick_turpin | Trouble is you're on thin ice by saying "Well its my surname" if you was a business you might have a case |
16:45.59 | AndyMillar | has Andrew Millar Ltd as well :) |
16:46.09 | dick_turpin | Go for it |
16:46.14 | ChoHag | Because businesses are real but surnames are not. |
16:46.51 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: I don't make the rules just use them for my own evil capitalist ends |
16:47.07 | AndyMillar | hmm, fasthosts have cocked up my domain registrations |
16:47.14 | AndyMillar | <PROTECTED> |
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16:47.22 | AndyMillar | <PROTECTED> |
16:47.25 | AndyMillar | shrugs |
16:48.26 | antiphase | Farthosts |
16:48.28 | dick_turpin | You need your company reg not a A-another domain name reg |
16:48.32 | AndyMillar | mmh, I'll give it till the 10th january and see what happens |
16:48.59 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: price point for being a registrar for UK domain names is about 100 .uk domains |
16:50.10 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Problem is that site already records an interest so pound to a pinch of doggy doo doo he'll re-register I mean its only something silly like £5 for two years |
16:50.47 | AndyMillar | aye |
16:51.48 | dick_turpin | Mind you he may be full of the Xmas spirit and will be happy to sell it for £20 |
16:51.59 | antiphase | Make him waste his fiver, then fuck him with malice |
16:52.12 | antiphase | and vinegary razor blades |
16:52.25 | dick_turpin | Yes there is that course I suppose |
16:52.58 | dick_turpin | Have you all met Santa's little helper antiphase |
16:53.17 | AndyMillar | antiphase: a little too tempting :p |
16:54.56 | AndyMillar | oh god, there's a small child in the office |
16:55.05 | AndyMillar | goes check his sharp objects aren't out |
16:55.11 | dick_turpin | Have you actually communicated with him or is this all guesswork? |
16:55.23 | AndyMillar | communicated via sedo :( |
16:55.29 | dick_turpin | Ah |
16:56.19 | dick_turpin | Tell him he's a cunning stunt then and you have friends in the area :-) |
16:56.24 | antiphase | There are small children in the office here as well, for family day or something. There are 8 Christmas trees and a dude dressed as an elf in the foyer |
16:56.37 | ChoHag | Oh yeah that's today isn't it? |
16:56.43 | ChoHag | forgot |
16:56.44 | AndyMillar | eugh |
16:57.14 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Have they locked you in a cupboard? I would if I was your Manager, I'm afraid you cant be trusted |
16:57.14 | antiphase | ChoHag: Do you have child processes then? |
16:57.18 | ChoHag | No. |
16:57.31 | ChoHag | I was hoping for free sugary goodness. |
16:57.33 | AndyMillar | mmh, i've got 38 chrome tabs open |
16:57.38 | AndyMillar | this is not good |
16:58.17 | ChoHag | Oh well. People are coming tonight instead. |
16:58.33 | dick_turpin | Instead of what? |
16:58.49 | ChoHag | Instead of me enjoying the party at betfair. |
16:58.55 | ChoHag | FSVO enjoy |
16:59.22 | antiphase | I don't think there's a party, unless you're 5 years old |
16:59.30 | ChoHag | Really? |
16:59.31 | Leeds | AndyMillar: and presumably 256GB of RAM? |
16:59.44 | ChoHag | The email implied it was for staff and that they could bring their kids. |
16:59.50 | AndyMillar | nah, i've not got round to upping my laptop fr5om 3 to 6GB |
16:59.57 | AndyMillar | s/fr5om/from/ |
16:59.58 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Is there jelly and ice cream? |
16:59.58 | antiphase | didn't get the memo |
17:00.03 | ChoHag | Not that it was for the staff's kids and they could be accompanied by parents. |
17:00.17 | AndyMillar | goes turn off some antivirus stuff |
17:00.30 | ChoHag | Still. Jelly and ice cream is always worth it. |
17:00.59 | dick_turpin | Jelly and ice cream Om nom nom nom |
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17:01.42 | dick_turpin | knocks over 5 year old kids to get at the jelly |
17:02.22 | antiphase | thinks dick_turpin might be a shrub rocketeer |
17:02.46 | dick_turpin | is going to have to google that |
17:03.07 | ChoHag | Not sure you want to. |
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17:04.14 | dick_turpin | antiphase: F'eck me is that the best you can do? And its you not me in a room full of kids I hasten to add, idiot :-P |
17:04.55 | antiphase | The Crazy World of Arthur Brown? |
17:05.45 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Nice try, I'm poised to tell Facebook, twitter, identica and any other micro blog that you are my best friend |
17:06.29 | antiphase | Safe, blud |
17:06.44 | dick_turpin | :-D |
17:07.40 | dick_turpin | I cant believe these arseholes the phones have been dead for the last two hours, will they let us go early? Will they F |
17:07.55 | ChoHag | Hah. |
17:07.57 | ChoHag | is going. |
17:07.57 | ChoHag | Now. |
17:08.17 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, why are hte phones dead? |
17:08.21 | boudiccas | *the |
17:08.26 | dick_turpin | I shot em |
17:08.36 | boudiccas | ah, that expalins it all |
17:09.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: We break up tomorrow you watch I bet they make us work till 5.30 |
17:09.05 | boudiccas | never mind, only another twenty minutes and you'll be free again |
17:09.08 | ChoHag | I even did the honest thing and worked a full 8 hours on a remote site. |
17:11.38 | dick_turpin | Right lets start the shutdown procedure, TTFN |
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17:11.51 | AndyMillar | "berak up"? |
17:31.33 | AndyMillar | break* |
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