IRC log for #gllug on 20091230

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01:05.37rhowewooo
01:05.49rhoweI only have one Debian etch box left at work now :D
01:10.09wethrinHurrah?
01:10.19wethrinWEEE it :)
01:10.46LeedsI don't think urinating on a computer is a good idea
01:13.14wethrinIt might make one feel better
01:13.16wethrinright. Sleep.
01:13.17wethrinnight!
01:48.59rhowewethrin: It's virtual, so I don't need no steenkin' EU directive to recycle it
01:49.14rhoweAnyway, you don't recycle Debian - you just perpetually upgrade
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08:11.14AndyMillarmornin
08:11.42AndyMillarrhowe: run debian stable, then you don't even have to upgrade
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08:43.48mkingRe. Xorg - the complaint that it is old is countered by mature, that it's bloated with fully featured, and that "my youtube doesn't work" with "backward-compatible".
08:48.05ChoHagheh
08:48.07ChoHagMissingFunctionality
08:48.13ChoHagThis page does not exist yet.
09:37.49Mohanmorning
09:55.07ChoHagIs there a version of gq which doesn't segfault on the complicated task of logging in?
09:55.29bilarh_takes delivery of his periodic table coffee cup
10:15.56ChoHagant: Do you know if/when Thom and Andy (and Ollie) are turning up?
10:26.44rhoweAndyMillar: I am running stable
10:27.04rhoweAndyMillar: etch = oldstable, lenny = newstable - I just upgraded all but one of my etch boxes to lenny
10:29.24bilarh_i can't believe it's only 10.28 :(
10:29.30bilarh_feels like i've been sat here on my arse for hours
10:29.30wethrinbilarh_: Come to the pub tonight
10:29.42bilarh_can't
10:29.47wethrinAlso, do some work rather than sitting on your arse :)
10:29.49wethrinboo
10:29.53wethrinBut the pub has tasty beer
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10:46.13antiphaseChoHag: Andy is next to you now. HTH
10:46.58ChoHagThanks.
10:47.26cpufreakThom and Ollie are WFH today
10:49.08ChoHagHeh. Years of reading the WTF acronym make WFH hard to read accurately.
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11:01.16rhowethinks he should head into the office
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11:32.31ChoHagHmm.
11:32.37ChoHagBytemark VM host just rebooted.
11:32.38ChoHagFun.
11:32.50antiphase<PROTECTED>
11:32.55antiphaseMine didn't :P
11:34.50ChoHagThen I guess you're not a partridge.
11:34.54ChoHagIn a pear tree.
11:35.24ChoHag"Virtual machine host partridge rebooted"
11:39.02AndyMillar11:39AM  up 88 days,  3:33, 23 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:39.05AndyMillarcries
11:39.56ChoHagbah
11:40.00ChoHag<PROTECTED>
11:40.05ChoHagI win!
11:40.18ChoHagThis is golf, right?
11:43.02ChoHagWtf? Why did nobody tell me about debian.pkgs.cpan.org?
11:43.15ChoHagI've been building my own with dh all these years.
11:43.24ChoHagWell not all that many, but still.
11:44.55rhoweanyone for beer tonight?
11:45.08Mohanwhy is that in newer versions of top (3.x) its not showing the no of available cpus ?
11:45.10rhowemarket porter, near london bridge
11:45.33AndyMillarnormally yes, but I'm off beer this month
11:45.58rhoweI should be too, after my xmas weight gain
11:46.35rhoweput 20kg on in.. a couple of years?
11:47.01AndyMillarouch
11:47.29rhowetime to reversse that trend I think
11:47.33ChoHagsnap
11:47.35AndyMillarwith my new 35 min walk to and from work, and this whole silly idea of stopping smoking, I'll see if I can get down to 100kg :)
11:47.52ChoHagUnfortunetaly my wife will now do all the cooking so I don't even have a choice.
11:48.09rhoweheh, well the bike made me fitter, but I don't think I got any lighter
11:48.19rhowehopefully some fat turned to muscle
11:48.20AndyMillarthat's what reducing the beer is for
11:48.20ChoHagYeah I noticed that.
11:48.25ChoHagI just ate more to compensate.
11:48.31AndyMillarChoHag: and I'm on a diet!
11:48.52ChoHagI will be from the 1st apparently.
11:49.07ChoHagI'm enjoying sugar and fah as much as I can in the meantime.
11:49.09ChoHagfat
11:49.49AndyMillarnah... I'm just cutting down to a sensible breakfast (i.e. cerial), under a fiver on lunch and a mildly sensible (single pizza or maybe something more sensible when they run out) for dinner
11:50.09AndyMillarused to go to M&S and spend ~15 on sandwiches and snacks :/
11:50.17ChoHagI hate cereal.
11:50.20rhowewatch the cereals. some of them are not very healthy
11:50.26ChoHagtoast ftw
11:50.30bilarh_yeah they're all like 95% carbs
11:50.31rhowein fact, most of them
11:50.41AndyMillarfruit and fibre ftw
11:50.46bilarh_then again, cereal is better than muffin :)
11:50.51ChoHagMind you, to go back to my 10 stone schooldays, that would be about half a loaf per day.
11:51.07AndyMillartrying to eat more fibre (and sensible foods)
11:51.11AndyMillarand eat at the right times
11:51.12ChoHagI don't think that would work any more what with no more vertical growth.
11:51.16AndyMillari.e. dinner at 11pm is bad
11:51.32bilarh_bah, fatness comes with the job
11:51.39bilarh_well, that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it :D
11:51.42AndyMillarbilarh_: i'm 115kg :/
11:51.49rhoweis 90
11:51.51bilarh_i'm probably about 105-106
11:52.00rhoweI think I should be 65-70
11:52.02bilarh_blows rhowe over
11:52.15ChoHagrhowe: Are you short?
11:52.18AndyMillarI need to be about 100, and I also need to be not so unfit I can't go to the gym ;p
11:52.21rhoweg/f is 45 or something silly
11:52.38rhoweChoHag: er, a bit. 5'8?
11:52.47AndyMillarshortie :p
11:53.07ChoHagThat's not that short.
11:53.11ChoHag65's a bit on the skinny side.
11:53.16rhowewow, might make it into the office just after 12
11:53.32rhowealmost at l'pool st
11:53.56bilarh_well, i'm about 6'3", and i used to be 11 stones when i was 20-21
11:54.10bilarh_i much prefer being whatever weight i am now :)
11:54.11AndyMillarI'm 6'5 :/
11:54.25AndyMillarand I think 16 stone is probably more sensible than 18
11:54.44AndyMillarI'd quite like to fit into a 36" waist again
11:54.44bilarh_how much is 16 stone in new money?
11:54.47rhowebeefcake?
11:54.47AndyMillar100kgh
11:54.50AndyMillar100kg*
11:54.51bilarh_ah ok
11:55.00bilarh_i'd like 36" jeans again, yes
11:55.06bilarh_at the moment i'm a 38
11:55.12AndyMillar38-40 \o/
11:55.18bilarh_group hug
11:55.24AndyMillar16 == 101; 18 = 114
11:55.30AndyMillar<o>
11:55.42rhowewould like 32 again. good 4 inches off that atm
11:55.42bilarh_now that i've put on some weight, i do have a cracking rack, though, even if i do say so myself :D
11:55.43AndyMillarso, if I lost 15kg from my waist I'll be happy :p
11:55.53rhowebilarh_: rofl
11:56.03AndyMillarrhowe: 32'd mean I've got to buy a shit load of new clothes though
11:56.12rhowebilarh_: I think I could give the other half a run for her money too
11:56.21bilarh_same here :S
11:56.23AndyMillarhas had his 46AAs for years (before he got fat, they're muscle baby0
11:56.31AndyMillars/0/)/
11:56.42rhoweAndyMillar: if you're a typical bloke, they're probabky way overdue a refresh anyway :)
11:56.43ChoHagI keep seeing all these "Lose weight with this amazing technique" adverts.
11:56.51bilarh_andymillar: well, that's the thing... before i got fat i had moobs too,but they were solid muscle :)
11:56.56ChoHagI can't help but think it should just be "stop eating so much fucking food".
11:56.59bilarh_now they're nice and cuddly
11:57.08AndyMillarChoHag: that's basically the idea
11:57.12bilarh_blames his glands
11:57.19AndyMillareat less, and eat the right sort of food at the right sort of time
11:57.24rhoweblames tastebuds
11:57.27AndyMillari.e. don't eat a shit load of carbs before going to bed
11:57.38AndyMillaractually, eat protein before going to bed to increase your metabolism
11:57.49rhowesteak!
11:57.56AndyMillarindeed
11:58.03ChoHagI used to eat toast before bed.
11:58.15rhowenot very meaty, is it?
11:58.20antiphaseJust eat less, you fat bastards
11:58.30ChoHagNope. Tasty though.
11:58.31AndyMillartoast could quite possibly be the worst thing
11:58.37ChoHag4 slices. 8 if I was peckish.
11:58.50ChoHagWith marmite and/or peanut butter.
11:59.07ChoHagThat was in the days when I actually had a metabolism.
11:59.16AndyMillarheh
11:59.19ChoHagSometimes jam...
11:59.33ChoHagOr lemon curd. I haven't had that in ages.
11:59.36AndyMillarI'm also going to have to try and eat more regulally
11:59.38AndyMillaras that's sensible too
12:25.52MohanEating at right time will increase your meatabolism, but if you want to loose weight you should be sticking to oats,salads,soups + some excercise
12:27.14bilarh_mohan: and how will you get the protein to repair your body from the excercise with that diet?
12:27.16Mohan3 times a week atleast an hour and no alcohol,no fizzy drinks
12:28.15Mohanbilarh_: you can have chicken/beef in the afternoon.
12:29.19MohanI used to be 100, I'm now 85 :)
12:30.29MohanIts really boring, I used to stick with tuna/sweetcorn sandwich always. Its as simple as that no pain no gain.
12:31.45Mohanhttp://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jajoo/gmdiet.html
12:33.04MohanHas anyone tried that general motors diet ? It seems to work if you follow correctly. but If you want to maintain the result you need to regularly excercise + change your food habits.
12:33.32antiphaseYou can always resort to basic thermodynamics and consume less energy than you require
12:34.02ChoHagDon't be silly.
12:34.06ChoHagA logical method?
12:34.09ChoHagPah!
12:34.14antiphaseIt makes little difference what you eat, if you consume the requisite quantity thereof
12:34.41antiphasewonders about eating nothing but a family size pie a day
12:34.57ChoHagWhat size family?
12:37.50ChoHagIf there is a real need to overcomplicate things, measure yourself every day (same time, eg. as port of the morning routine). Record it in a database and plot the trend.
12:38.06antiphaseApparently, Asda do an 800g steak & kidney pie containing about 1700kcal, for the princely sum of £2.98, or £4 for 2
12:38.10antiphaseThat's cheap eatin'
12:38.20cpufreakyou can get a pasty from the pasty shop for 2.90
12:38.24cpufreakwhich is good enuff for lunch
12:38.30ChoHagYou get what you pay fore
12:38.34ChoHagfor.
12:38.41antiphaseI'm talking about one pie per 24 hour period, augmented only with water
12:39.16ChoHagI wish BT would fix my internet.
12:39.28ChoHagMaybe I should pop in to the exchange on my way home with a blunt instrument of some sort.
12:40.21ChoHagOr maybe even a sharp one.
12:41.14MohanCalories reminds me of this calculation, Allowed Adult = 2000, eat whatever but makesure you dont exceed 1500,so each day 500Cal less if you follow that routine, In theory when the total reaches 7000Cal you should be 1Kg less.
12:42.03ChoHagNot everyone requires the same number of calories.
12:42.06ChoHagAlso, counting them is boring.
12:42.40ChoHagJust watch your weight. If it goes up too much, eat less. If it goes down too much, eat more.
12:42.48MohanCounting them keeps you in control if you are determined to reduce weight.
12:43.11ChoHagIt's still boring though.
12:43.15cpufreakjust exercise more
12:43.29ChoHagExercise does little to decrease weight.
12:43.59cpufreakit burns off calories
12:44.05ChoHagYeah but not that many.\
12:44.08cpufreakdepends
12:44.18ChoHagIt keeps you fit though, which is also helpful.
12:44.21cpufreakI tend to do about 300-400 calories per morning on the rowing machine
12:44.24cpufreakwhen I can be arsed to use it
12:44.29ChoHagThere's also that.
12:44.30cpufreakand thats in about 30minutes
12:44.32antiphasekilocalories, n00bz
12:44.36cpufreakwell yeh
12:44.38MohanExcercise is boring as well, but its interesting to join some swimming/sports/dance class
12:44.48cpufreakthats what people infer by tlaking about calories
12:45.16ChoHagPersonally I worry (haha) about my fitness and weight separately.
12:45.20ChoHagMostly separately.
12:45.21antiphaseBut considering that it takes up to an hour to dispense with that much energy, which you can almost replace by drinking one pint of beer, just being alive for a day uses 8 times as much already
12:45.25antiphaseExercise is shit
12:45.44ChoHagThinking also burns calories.
12:45.44antiphaseIt's good for your jam tart though
12:46.08cpufreakwell going skiing for a week end of january ought to burn a few off
12:46.08ChoHagDo the soduku puzzles on the train in the morning.
12:47.50ChoHag"your brain uses about 400 calories per day"
12:48.06MohanIf you are doing cardio based excercise doing the same excercise always will yeild you less results as your body gets so used to it.
12:48.51ChoHagWorking (physically) uses more calories per weight.
12:48.59ChoHagSo the more you weigh, the more calories you burn.
12:48.59cpufreakantiphase: I think just giving up beer will give you the desired effect you're after
12:49.16antiphaseMe too also
12:49.19Mohan1pint = 180 cal roughly
12:49.26Mohanso think before you drink :P
12:49.28antiphaseDepends what you drink
12:49.41cpufreakthe 1200 calories or so last night in beer  + 1000 in the pizza wont have helpd your cut
12:49.55antiphaseI bet there's some winter warmer juice about that's good for the best part of 300/pint
12:50.07ChoHagDon't forget that a lot of calories are shat out.
12:50.11ChoHagAnd they can't be counted.
12:50.17ChoHagAt least not if you want people to come near you.
12:50.35ChoHagOn that note, I think it's time for lunch.
12:50.46MohanThats true, part of the calories you gain due to drinking goes out as heat in or the other way.
12:50.59cpufreakjust eat curry all the time
12:51.01Mohans/in/ in one/
12:51.02cpufreaksweat it all off
12:51.33antiphaseThere's always DNP if you get desperate
12:51.34ChoHagOh and you breath out CO2. C => weight, therefore breath more and weight goes down.
12:52.07Mohanwhats DNP ?
12:57.32antiphaseDi-nitro phenol
12:58.07antiphaseOr 2,4-dinitrophenol for the systematic among you iirc
12:58.56antiphaseIt interferes with conversion of ATP to energy in muscles or something, making you essentially very inefficient and prone to generating vast quantities of heat instead of movement
12:59.06antiphaseWhich can be fatal if used to excess
12:59.38antiphaseBut good if you're a body builder and you're trying to get rid of those last pesky  few percent of body fat
13:01.32Mohanjust read about that in wiki, sounds scary!
13:15.20bilarh_'s trying to get rid of those last 20-30% of body fat
13:15.47bilarh_i must have that dnp stuff naturally
13:15.54bilarh_whenever i move, i generate vast quantities of heat as well
13:16.02bilarh_for not a lot of movement
13:16.44boudiccasbilarh_, sounds like the human radiator
13:17.56bilarh_great, of all the super heroes i could have been, i became "radiator man"
13:25.31ChoHagYour SO will be grateful.
13:25.57bilarh_true, she's "ice cold feet woman"
13:26.43ChoHagMy wife is always cold.
13:26.51AndyMillaris eating a salad!
13:26.56ChoHagIt takes a day with the heating on to warm her up, and 5 minutes with it off to cool her down.
13:27.28AndyMillar1 pack M&S green salad (rocket,watercress,spinach), 200g carrots, 1 tin tuna
13:41.36antiphaseI have meat and meat for lunch
13:43.30cpufreakgoes with your t-shirt ant
13:43.33cpufreakyour pink t-shirt
13:44.36AndyMillaroh dear
13:46.25ChoHagant: Want to borrow my headphones to complete the look?
13:48.07antiphaseI wouldn't want to look like a Japanese schoolgirl as well as gay
13:48.58ChoHagDo you get 6' japanese schoolgirls?
13:49.51antiphaseProbably only if you stack them
13:52.03ChoHagThat's an enticing image.
13:55.17Leedsan exciting image?
13:55.29ChoHagThat too.
14:01.09AndyMillarhmm
14:01.21AndyMillarappears to feel funny... i wonder if it'll pass
14:01.33ChoHagppp has given me the IP 77.44.113.86
14:01.35AndyMillarI'm guessing it's tiredness
14:01.40bilarh_checks
14:01.42ChoHag$isp said I have the IP 109.170.148.201
14:01.48bilarh_andymillar: no, you're still not funny ;)
14:02.02ChoHagIf I ping 109.170.148.201, my router responds.
14:02.11AndyMillar$ whois 109.170.148.201
14:02.11AndyMillarUnknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program.
14:02.14AndyMillarwtf?
14:02.53AndyMillarmmh, ok, it works somewhere else
14:03.05AndyMillarbilarh_: ha ha ha
14:03.11ChoHagAh. Hmm. Seems they gave me one IP for the connection and a totally different range for the lan.
14:03.17bilarh_andymillar: :D
14:03.29antiphase`whois 109.0.0.0 -h whois.ripe.net`
14:04.51cpufreaksleepy now
14:05.23antiphaseYou should have just had meat like me
14:05.42cpufreakwhy the fuck are you using 'murphx'?
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14:06.06cpufreak14:05 < cpufreak> why the fuck are you using 'murphx'?
14:06.29ChoHagshrugs
14:06.32ChoHagI've no idea what that is.
14:06.36antiphase"murphx Innovative Solutions Ltd is a leading edge Tier 1 internet and telephony solutions company, providing organisations with advanced feature rich services."
14:06.39cpufreak14:06 -!- ChoHag_ [n=mking@109-170-148-202.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #GLLUG
14:06.39antiphaseBa ha ha ha ha
14:06.51cpufreakthey're a bunch of clowns
14:07.05ChoHagHow do you get women to stop talking?
14:07.15antiphasePut a cock in it
14:07.18boudiccasstart listening
14:07.20ChoHagHahaha
14:09.14AndyMillarwhat antiphase said
14:10.13AndyMillaroh dear
14:10.26AndyMillarwho the cock are murphx and why the cock are you using them?
14:11.08ChoHagIt was obfuscated.
14:11.22AndyMillarthey're hiring a QA person
14:11.39cpufreakI just had this discussion with ChoHag.
14:11.57cpufreakhe claims he went through uklinux or something, which was probably where he starting going wrong
14:11.58AndyMillarChoHag: how were you conned?
14:12.01AndyMillaroh
14:12.02AndyMillaroh dear
14:12.04ChoHagukfsn
14:12.06cpufreakhis reasons for going with uklinux was because he wanted 'clue'
14:12.08AndyMillareven more oh dear
14:12.15antiphaseOr a respect for the Lord
14:12.19AndyMillarChoHag: next time you want clue you should really ask in here :)
14:12.32AndyMillaror just over the other side of the desk by the soudns of it
14:12.33AndyMillarsounds*
14:12.34ChoHag...
14:12.37ChoHagHere?
14:12.45antiphasedrools
14:12.48AndyMillarwell, ask andy or ant at least :p
14:12.59AndyMillarwe're oppinionated enough
14:13.08cpufreakandys always have the answer.
14:13.08ChoHagAnyway I've been with ukfsn for aeons now.
14:13.18AndyMillarindeed they do :)
14:13.37ChoHagI'll probably dump them. While Jason does at least know what he's doing, which is what I'm after in an ISP, actually getting ahold of him is ... difficult.
14:13.54AndyMillarI thought ukfsn was practically dieing anyway :/
14:13.59ChoHagIt may as well wait until I move house, which ideally will be some time this year.
14:14.27ChoHagI've been without internet for less than a week and the withdrawal symptoms are less than pleasant.
14:15.00cpufreakthat was pretty long time though
14:15.09AndyMillarI've been without decent internet for about a year and a half at home
14:15.11cpufreakeven virgin media were able to get me a cable modem + line activated within 48 hours of me phong the up
14:15.19ChoHagThat's because BT are cocks.
14:15.29cpufreakno
14:15.36cpufreakwhen I had a BT phoneline at my last flat
14:15.39cpufreakand ordered DSL from them
14:15.45cpufreakI had it activated within 48 hours too
14:15.55ChoHagThat doesn't make BT any less cockish.
14:16.19antiphaseIt took 7 days for my apology for a BT DSL service to start working
14:16.53ChoHagNow the fun of DNS propagation after I forgot to reduce the TTL before the line failed.
14:17.57AndyMillarawesome
14:18.04AndyMillarthe ukfsn's tax return is overdue
14:22.20cpufreakthat's not that unusual
14:28.30rhowehmmm
14:28.37rhoweis too scared to upgrade his last etch box
14:28.56rhoweIt's an IMAP/POP3/SMTP server with maildirs stored over NFS and auth. via Kerberos to the Windows DCs
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14:33.38cpufreakrhowe: wuss.
14:36.33ChoHagYay! Lots of email from the servers telling me they were offline.
14:48.09AndyMillarbit late ;;p
15:01.09rhowecpufreak: I did an LVM snapshot and I'm doing a trial upgrade on that first :)
15:01.32rhowecpufreak: Can tar up the config file changes I make and splat them over the live box as it's upgrading :)
15:02.47rhowe"ifdown eth0; ifup bond0" - always a fun command to issue remotely :)
15:03.35ChoHagI've got into the habit of doing those commands in screen.
15:04.28ChoHagUnlikely as it seems, I think I recall at least one instance of the terminal disappearing halfway through and the net not coming back up.
15:13.18cpufreakprocessor: 47
15:13.18cpufreakvendor_id: AuthenticAMD
15:13.18cpufreakcpu family: 16
15:13.18cpufreakmodel: 8
15:13.18cpufreakmodel name: Six-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8439 SE
15:13.21cpufreakstepping: 0
15:13.23cpufreakcpu MHz: 2793.003
15:37.04AndyMillar\o/
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16:10.49ChoHagIs it worth catching up on the gllug emails I missed?
16:11.29cpufreakno
16:11.31cpufreakdelete them
16:11.33cpufreakunsubscribe
16:11.38ChoHaghaha
16:11.51cpufreakits one of my interview questions
16:11.53LeedsI stopped reading them years ago :(
16:12.00cpufreak"are you subscribed to gllug?"
16:12.03cpufreakif they say yes, no job.
16:12.15cpufreakif they said no, should I?, no job
16:12.35cpufreakif they said , "no, its full of freaks" they can get a job
16:12.39cpufreakit works quite well
16:12.50cpufreakalas not everyone here follows my interview technique
16:14.36ChoHagOh it's worth a laugh occasionally.
16:14.41cpufreakno its not
16:14.51Leedsoh yes it is!
16:14.53cpufreaklooking at xkcd is worth a laugh occasionally
16:15.08cpufreaklooking at gllug mailing list is about as entertaining as rubbing sand in your eyes
16:15.11Leedsit's still technically panto season, isn't it?
16:15.18cpufreakno
16:15.26Leedsdamn :(
16:28.30boudiccasoh yes it is!
16:32.49rhowecpufreak: How about "The list dropped me and I never bothered resubscribing"? :)
16:33.15ChoHagSo is #gllug the new #brits?
16:33.33rhowewell, there goes my testing of the lenny upgrade of the mail server
16:33.47rhoweSMTP auth works, SMTPS works, IMAPS works, IMAP auth to AD works...
16:33.53rhowehaven't tried POP3 yet
16:35.36cpufreakrhowe: too much apathy there
16:35.50rhowecpufreak: bleh :P
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19:10.31ChoHagHow can you remove a device's IP with ifconfig?
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19:27.57antiphaseUse `ip address del`
19:28.29ChoHagip != ifconfig
19:28.52antiphaseifconfig is old and rubbishy
19:28.56ChoHagDoing it with IP isn't a problem, if it's available.
19:29.09ChoHagIt is that, but it's also installed, which is a major point in its favour.
19:29.31antiphaseifconfig isn't portable, and ip should be available on all Linuxes these days
19:29.39antiphaseIf it's not, use some other Linux that's not shite :P
19:29.50ChoHagIt's an embedded system which doesn't have it present.
19:30.26ChoHagIt can be installed but it wasn't. I wondered if it could be done with ifconfig.
19:30.42ChoHagreboot worked in the end, and that took all of 8 seconds.
19:30.49ChoHagMost of which was waiting in case I wanted to interrupt it.
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