08:18.33 | ChoHag | People who leave their instant mud granules in the sugar pot are the scum of the earth. |
08:47.37 | AndyMillar | yes |
08:48.03 | hali | morning |
08:48.32 | AndyMillar | mornin |
09:06.39 | Mohan | morning |
09:08.18 | zaarg | good morning |
09:35.14 | ChoHag | Adobe ... DRM protection provided through their proprietary ADEPT mechanism. |
09:35.19 | ChoHag | The recently developed INEPT framework and scripts have been reverse-engineered to circumvent this DRM system. |
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11:19.53 | ChoHag | The staff in the team over the hall are watching The Daily Chav, or Trisha as it's commonly called. |
11:20.02 | ChoHag | Thank fuck there's no sound. |
11:24.25 | cpufreak | which staff? |
11:24.35 | ChoHag | I've no idea what they do there. |
11:24.38 | cpufreak | imagine that, not doing work during work hours. |
11:24.46 | cpufreak | such a slacker you are chohag |
11:24.56 | bilarh | crazy stuff, working at work |
11:25.00 | ChoHag | *I'm* not watching it. |
11:27.05 | ChoHag | The only non-work I'm doing is trying to ensure I'm still alive enough to come back to work on Monday by working out what to do with/for/to my wife this weekend. |
11:29.30 | ChoHag | I'll never understand why people go on those shows, in this country or any other. |
11:29.48 | ChoHag | Actually especially in this country. It's very un-British. |
11:30.51 | bilarh | is it really? |
11:31.09 | bilarh | the kind of people who go on shows like trisha seem to make up a majority of brits nowadays |
11:31.16 | ChoHag | Hmm. |
11:31.18 | bilarh | so perhaps it's very british indeed |
11:31.19 | hali | most people that go on those shows don't have anything else to do, not like they have jobs |
11:31.20 | ChoHag | This is depressengly true. |
11:54.14 | ChoHag | sighs |
11:54.26 | ChoHag | $ diff -ur {staging} {live) | wc -l |
11:54.29 | ChoHag | 41139 |
11:59.54 | hali | anyone know any good server room aircon companies? we're fed up with the people we deal with |
12:03.29 | cpufreak | out source dude |
12:03.31 | cpufreak | put it in the cloud |
12:03.33 | cpufreak | get with the times |
12:03.38 | cpufreak | its like totally awesome |
12:03.47 | cpufreak | e^max |
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12:04.53 | hali | doubt the banks who owns the data we hold would like that |
12:05.04 | cpufreak | I know |
12:05.04 | hali | this is just for our office server room anyway, dev/qa stuff |
12:05.09 | cityLights | can anyone help me out with basic git usage? |
12:05.10 | cpufreak | I was being utterley sarcastic |
12:05.15 | hali | i thought so :) |
12:05.16 | cpufreak | cityLights: man git. |
12:05.40 | hali | only need a 250kBTU or something like that |
12:06.18 | hali | other kit lives down at interxion or in the fancy suburb known as slough! |
12:06.31 | cityLights | cpufreak: I did , as well as read a guide , yet I can't do a simple clone |
12:08.41 | cpufreak | why not? |
12:10.19 | cityLights | git clone git://192.168.0.10/dir dir |
12:11.00 | cityLights | min I wiped it clean and started over |
12:12.01 | cityLights | should I have these options in the daemon? --syslog --export-all --base-path=/var/git /var/git |
12:12.15 | cityLights | I mean I read about it , but dont understand it |
12:12.40 | cityLights | what does --base-path=/var/git mean? what is "jail root" ? |
12:12.46 | cityLights | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Git |
12:16.35 | z00dax | cityLights: git daemon has a fairly good man page |
12:17.21 | ChoHag | cityLights: Do it over ssh. |
12:17.22 | ChoHag | Easier. |
12:17.46 | z00dax | much easier over ssh for push and cgit for web browsing |
12:17.47 | cityLights | how? |
12:18.11 | z00dax | how much git-friendly are you ? |
12:18.14 | ChoHag | git url is git+ssh://[user@]host/path |
12:22.21 | cityLights | works now |
12:22.29 | cityLights | guess the path was the issue |
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12:26.51 | dick_turpin | Afternoon all |
12:27.13 | boudiccas | good afternoon dick_turpin |
12:28.22 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: We have smatterings of snow :-( |
12:28.49 | dick_turpin | Sort of like icing sugar sprinkled on the ground |
12:32.20 | boudiccas | ah, typical spring weather hten? :) |
12:35.58 | dick_turpin | sets fire to bilarh's shoes |
12:39.11 | z00dax | cityLights: btw, I might recommend using moin, backed by a git repo store for what you are trying to do |
12:39.28 | z00dax | that would allow you to go back-forth, get version control on the move and still have content that can be easily shared around |
12:39.47 | z00dax | and iirc, I've seen moin run on a n810 in a 'usable' fashion |
12:40.18 | z00dax | some assembly required, batteries not included. |
12:47.57 | kjs | Hum, traveling from Pimlico to Bank, early, (like 6am early), tube or bus? |
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12:48.17 | kjs | first tube is at 5:30 |
12:48.17 | lampuser | hello guys |
12:48.23 | boudiccas | tube |
12:48.28 | lampuser | I got a question |
12:48.31 | kjs | im a lady |
12:48.33 | boudiccas | lampuser, we're not all 'guys' in here |
12:48.42 | lampuser | sorry |
12:48.48 | kjs | thats ok |
12:48.49 | lampuser | ladies and gentlemen |
12:49.01 | boudiccas | i much prefer the generic 'folk' |
12:49.15 | lampuser | regarding the /etc/shadow file |
12:49.16 | kjs | or "users" |
12:49.52 | lampuser | the third field |
12:49.58 | kjs | Random question, anyone know how to send the Break signal from a MacBOok |
12:50.01 | lampuser | the date password was last changed |
12:50.19 | boudiccas | kjs, use a ball pein hammer :) |
12:50.23 | lampuser | what is that number and how it relates to date |
12:52.17 | kjs | boudiccas: :) I was coming close after finally giving up on the macbook and using a windows machine! |
12:52.45 | boudiccas | :) |
13:26.08 | MrKen | kjs: What type of Break? |
13:29.44 | ChoHag | A kit kat. |
13:36.29 | MrKen | Mmmm.... :) |
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13:41.47 | ChoHag | That's just wrong. |
13:41.56 | ChoHag | I shouldn't be able to download a whole CD in 5 minutes. |
13:56.28 | MrKen | ChoHag: Home or $dayjob? |
13:58.09 | ChoHag | Home. |
13:58.29 | MrKen | Nice. Virgin 50 or bonded ADSL? |
13:58.33 | ChoHag | I was thinking I'd better get it started so that it's ready when I get back home tonight and it's long finished. |
13:58.37 | ChoHag | Regular ADSL. |
13:58.55 | ChoHag | ADSL2 that is. |
13:58.56 | MrKen | Ah, you must be close to 24Mbps then? |
13:59.09 | ChoHag | Yes. |
13:59.25 | MrKen | My crappy line syncs at about 8.5Mbps on a good day |
13:59.32 | MrKen | Previous place was over 17 :( |
14:02.47 | kjs | MrKen the kind you send to password reset a Cisco router :) |
14:02.58 | kjs | via serial emulator program. |
14:03.05 | ChoHag | Which serial emulator program? |
14:03.21 | kjs | I am going to install Windows 7 & Ubuntu via boot camp I think for safe messure! |
14:03.21 | MrKen | kjs: Ah. What serial emulator? I normally just use screen and use it to send a break |
14:03.37 | kjs | MrKen: how are you sending a break from screen? |
14:03.45 | MrKen | kjs: ^a^b |
14:03.47 | kjs | (MacBook has no break key!) |
14:03.48 | ChoHag | Also, it seems I have 19.5Mb. Living close to the exchange kicks arse. |
14:03.56 | ChoHag | Unfortunately everything else about where I live is rubbish. |
14:04.12 | MrKen | kjs: Works like a charm using my FTDI USB->Serial adapter on my MBP |
14:04.14 | kjs | ChoHag: I used to get 22mb! 120meter from exchange.. |
14:05.02 | zaarg | true geeks live near the exchange |
14:05.05 | ChoHag | I need to clean up the wiring in my house and see if that improves it any. |
14:05.44 | kjs | MrKen: what is ^a^b ? |
14:05.46 | ChoHag | For some crazy reason BT strung the wires into the bedroom, where they travel through some external internal cable to the hall and along an extension lead to the cupboard under the stairs. |
14:05.50 | MrKen | kjs: Just start screen with "screen /path/to/serial/device" |
14:05.51 | kjs | excuse my ignorance. |
14:05.53 | ChoHag | ^ == ctrl |
14:06.00 | kjs | hum |
14:06.03 | MrKen | kjs: Ctrl A + Ctrl B |
14:06.08 | kjs | if that works that would be great... |
14:06.35 | MrKen | kjs: Of course, you'll need screen installed... |
14:07.08 | MrKen | I use something like: "screen /dev/tty.usbserial-FTBS2MUC 9600" to start it |
14:07.08 | kjs | yeah i have screen installed... |
14:07.45 | kjs | I will test it as soon as the plumbers have finished soldering |
14:08.21 | MrKen | kjs: Cool. Only difficult part (perhaps) is identifying the correct serial device |
14:09.34 | kjs | done that, i noted it down some where |
14:09.46 | kjs | usb serial thing like yours |
14:10.43 | kjs | Maplin |
14:11.25 | MrKen | kjs: Cool. As long as it's supported by OS X, you're fine |
14:12.16 | MrKen | kjs: There are some generic USB->Serial drivers for OS X floating around too |
14:13.07 | kjs | yeah pops up with new network interface detected |
14:13.15 | kjs | and came with drivers |
14:13.31 | kjs | everything work apart from Break signal. |
14:14.41 | MrKen | kjs: Great. You just need the terminal program (and screen'll do that for you) |
14:15.19 | MrKen | You could also use cu |
14:16.02 | MrKen | (but screen is much nicer :) |
14:16.12 | ChoHag | kermit has its moments |
14:16.30 | MrKen | hasn't used kermit since the mid-90s :) |
14:16.37 | ChoHag | It comes with its licensing fun though. |
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14:18.29 | MrKen | Ah yes, forgot about that |
14:20.14 | kjs | screen will do me |
14:23.33 | kjs | MrKen: what version of OSX you running? |
14:23.33 | MrKen | kjs: Leopard |
14:24.02 | ChoHag | <me> That's fine then. Can we meet at 4 on Friday? |
14:24.08 | ChoHag | <them> Yes, thats great - can I just confirm this Friday at 4pm? |
14:26.17 | kjs | lol |
14:29.31 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: what's wrong with that? |
14:30.05 | ChoHag | It's repetetively redundant. |
14:30.24 | AndyMillar | not really, it's sensible |
14:31.01 | boudiccas | its just making sure that you're all singing from the same songsheet :) |
14:31.11 | AndyMillar | you've basically making sure that both parties have the correct interpretation of the time |
14:31.30 | ChoHag | Making sure and sure and sure. |
14:31.32 | AndyMillar | (tcp does the same thing, just with checksums) |
14:31.43 | kjs | MrKen: doesnt work... |
14:31.51 | kjs | ctrl A then ctrl B |
14:32.00 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: I do that when arranging meetings |
14:32.04 | kjs | or ctrl + a and b |
14:32.21 | kjs | deffo not working, sigh |
14:32.34 | kjs | why couldnt apple just give us a damn break key... |
14:32.35 | ChoHag | AndyMillar: Perhaps I should have paraphrased more of the conversation then, but with the preceeding, it was definitely redundant. |
14:32.45 | MrKen | kjs: Does screen show you the console output? |
14:32.46 | ChoHag | kjs: Apple are special. |
14:32.56 | ChoHag | Also - ^a ? |
14:33.11 | MrKen | kjs: It's ctrl-a followed by ctrl-b btw |
14:33.29 | ChoHag | MrKen: According to screen here it's both. |
14:33.51 | kjs | is it in the man file? |
14:33.58 | MrKen | ChoHag: Ah |
14:34.15 | MrKen | kjs: Ignoring the break issue, is screen showing you console output when you run it? |
14:34.27 | kjs | sigh, ill try ctrl a & b then but im pretty sure i did that a sec ago with no result |
14:34.30 | kjs | yeah |
14:35.08 | MrKen | kjs: Hrm, ok. I assume your copy doesn't have the keybindings altered? |
14:35.11 | kjs | but its booting the image so break is not getting sent to the cisco it would seem, maybe ill try throwing the cisco out the window and see if it gets that break signal... |
14:35.27 | MrKen | kjs: Does Ctrl A+Ctrl C create a new session? |
14:35.38 | kjs | MrKen: considering I don't know how to do this, most likely not :) |
14:35.42 | kjs | ill go test.. |
14:35.46 | boudiccas | kjs, hint ...... open the window first, it saves you getting broken glass everywhere |
14:36.18 | ChoHag | What does a USB PC keyboard with a break key do on an apple? |
14:36.25 | ChoHag | An apple computer. |
14:37.04 | boudiccas | ChoHag, i prefer your first question, before you added 'apple computer' :)))))) |
14:40.49 | kjs | ChoHag: it sends the break signal aparntly, according to a thread i found a couple days ago. |
14:41.02 | kjs | id like to not carry a keyb if i can help it though. |
14:42.29 | MrKen | kjs: Any luck with Ctrl A+Ctrl C? |
14:44.19 | kjs | ctrl a ctrl c works |
14:44.26 | kjs | ctrl a then ctrl c |
14:44.35 | kjs | ctrl b does nothing |
14:44.54 | ChoHag | Maybe apple have fiddled around with screen. |
14:45.07 | ChoHag | Not that apple change pointless things randomly. |
14:45.14 | MrKen | kjs: Hrm. Unless it's a USB -> Serial adapter that can't send breaks. I think such things exist :( |
14:45.15 | kjs | not at all... |
14:45.24 | kjs | MrKen: possible |
14:45.32 | MrKen | kjs: And Ctrl A + Ctrl B does nothing? |
14:45.35 | kjs | well |
14:45.40 | kjs | it sends a break from windows. |
14:45.47 | MrKen | Ah |
14:45.50 | kjs | maybe mac drivers are shit |
14:46.01 | ChoHag | kjs: Do ctrl-a ? |
14:46.07 | MrKen | kjs: Perhaps try cu? |
14:46.07 | ChoHag | It should tell you there what does what. |
14:46.23 | kjs | maybe ill just install ubuntu and windows 7 that way im covered. |
14:46.27 | kjs | ill try it ChoHag |
14:46.51 | kjs | ctrl-a = no other windows |
14:47.17 | ChoHag | Press ctrl-a then press ? |
14:47.18 | MrKen | kjs: ChoHag meants Ctrl-A followed by a question mark |
14:47.22 | MrKen | er, meant |
14:47.25 | kjs | doh |
14:47.26 | kjs | ok |
14:48.45 | kjs | yeah gives help screen |
14:48.56 | kjs | says ^B b for break |
14:49.30 | kjs | i think i might give up with mac os, it always seems to find a way to piss me off these days, with it's bastardized bsd |
14:49.49 | ChoHag | Good man. Hold that thought. |
14:50.01 | MrKen | kjs: Give cu a try |
14:50.49 | kjs | i could of done this hours ago in linux / windows... steve jobs is killing me... |
14:50.55 | kjs | ic never used cu |
14:52.58 | MrKen | kjs: Just do a 'cu -l /path/to/port -s 9600' (assuming 9600) |
14:53.26 | MrKen | kjs: Once connected, hit ~# to send a break |
14:56.45 | kjs | ok, got an output but i have no ~ key |
14:56.54 | kjs | unless i do alt 3 |
14:57.01 | kjs | and no ~ either |
14:57.06 | kjs | (this is painfull) |
14:57.32 | kjs | sorry i do i have a ~ key |
14:57.58 | kjs | I am going to be running out of fingers trying to press all these key! it doesnt seem to be working either, |
14:58.04 | MrKen | Damn |
14:58.25 | kjs | im minicom it was actually display BREAK on the screen when i was doing alt A then alt F |
14:58.38 | kjs | so i think the mac drivers just suck |
14:58.46 | kjs | for this serial usb |
15:00.13 | MrKen | kjs: What chipset is your adapter? May be worth trying these drivers: http://osx-pl2303.sourceforge.net/ |
15:00.15 | kjs | im going to install ubuntu and windows 7, seee if i can get it working with the macintoss with one of those! |
15:00.37 | kjs | not sure its blue witha silver cable seems pretty common adaptor |
15:01.12 | MrKen | Hmmm... Seems the Prolific vendor-supplied drivers can't send a break(!) |
15:02.20 | kjs | jesus |
15:03.42 | kjs | how would i go about removing the existing drivers from mac osx? |
15:03.47 | ChoHag | driver? |
15:03.54 | ChoHag | What is this thing whereof you speak? |
15:04.45 | MrKen | kjs: Did you install anything to get the adapter working? |
15:05.11 | bilarh | mrken: just a small correction: it's not working ;) |
15:05.24 | kjs | MrKen: yeah the drivers off the cd. |
15:05.26 | MrKen | bilarh: heheh |
15:05.43 | MrKen | kjs: Can you uninstall them? That should remove the kext methinks |
15:06.27 | kjs | looks for add remove programs on a mac... dpkg? yum... rpm... help?! |
15:07.01 | kjs | do you just find the file and delete it |
15:07.07 | kjs | fucking hell Apple...! |
15:07.16 | ChoHag | find(1) |
15:07.44 | MrKen | kjs: Poke arround in the directory you installed the app in |
15:08.09 | MrKen | kjs: Otherwise you can probably nuke the kext manually (it's in /System/Library/Extensions |
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15:12.17 | kjs | It installed via a .pkg |
15:13.24 | MrKen | kjs: You can probably just nuke the kext manually and delete whatever got dumpted in /Applications |
15:14.21 | kjs | its a prolific 3203 according to dmesg |
15:14.42 | MrKen | Ok, open source driver should work then |
15:16.53 | kjs | ok iv nuked the knet |
15:27.02 | kjs | http://osx-pl2303.sourceforge.net/ |
15:37.52 | kjs | ok installed open source driver, it fails to even detect the adater when its connected |
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15:40.09 | MrKen | kjs: Erk. Nothing in dmesg? |
15:40.47 | zaarg | new netbook or second-hand thinkpad? |
15:40.53 | zaarg | decisions, decisions |
15:40.55 | MrKen | kjs: The open source driver uses a different device name, BTW |
15:42.14 | kjs | Wahooooooooo |
15:42.17 | kjs | finally |
15:42.22 | kjs | It sent a break |
15:42.31 | kjs | i reinstalled the drivers again |
15:42.39 | kjs | uses a different device name yeah |
15:45.19 | MrKen | Sweet |
15:45.44 | kjs | finally! |
15:45.51 | kjs | Thanks for all the help :) |
15:46.30 | MrKen | np :) |
15:46.50 | kjs | damn drivers... |
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16:04.36 | kjs | im going to donate 10$ |
16:08.41 | dick_turpin | And today bilarh is wearing mostly purple http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=9470 |
16:24.04 | kjs | anyone got an example of a DR plan? |
16:39.41 | ChoHag | Don't Panic. |
16:39.55 | ChoHag | Remember your towel. |
16:40.41 | zaarg | abandon ship |
16:42.50 | z00dax | |site| -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> |dr site| |
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17:10.54 | kjs | haha |
17:16.04 | hali | proper DR always cost a lot more than most people are willing to pay |
17:16.30 | hali | and usually involve storage level replication and fairly pricey leased lines etc |
17:19.19 | hali | and if you go carrier neutral and want to fail over your IP range you need to do some funky BGP as well |
17:22.39 | Dominic | heh, we had a customer ask about DR recently when we had a storage outage for ~4 hours. Told them that it'd be at least what they're paying now for equipment and our support costs, plus another 50% to make it work together. They soon gave that dream up.. |
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18:38.28 | Azundris | OK, please advise. I have a smartphone, I'd like unlimited data (or "close"), I'd like month-to-month or prepaid, and I'd like good coverage in the Greater London area. (I think I do < 300 minutes of vox pcm, but vox isn't the important part here.) What network/provider do I want? Thanks. |
19:19.51 | cpufreak | it doesn't matter |
19:19.54 | cpufreak | they're all shit |
19:21.46 | Azundris | :-/ |
19:22.08 | Azundris | I'm kinda used to it, my coverage in LA was also shit |
19:22.43 | Azundris | Speaking of which, am I supposed to have coverage in the tubes? Only some lines, yes? |
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19:28.52 | cpufreak | Azundris: the polite thing is to turn your mobile phone off when you're on the tube. |
19:28.58 | cpufreak | talking in public is considered rude. |
19:31.32 | Azundris | That seems to be a decaying more, considering how many people have conversations on the tube, but that's really neither here nor there, as per above, I'm mostly interested in the data part. |
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20:12.45 | ChoHag | NFS sucks donkey's balls. |
20:12.50 | ChoHag | Through a straw. |
20:24.51 | zaarg | documents in queue: 503 |
20:24.53 | zaarg | sighs |
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23:49.29 | kjs | yo |
23:55.07 | Armand | kjs! |
23:56.31 | kjs | yo |
23:56.37 | kjs | hows it going Armand |
23:58.50 | z00dax | Azundris: most of the tube lines are underground most of the time, and some are completely underground, there is no mobile phone coverage there |
23:59.54 | z00dax | Azundris: and in busy times, it is considered quite rude to be on the phone or have loud music |