IRC log for #gllug on 20100209

08:18.33ChoHagPeople who leave their instant mud granules in the sugar pot are the scum of the earth.
08:47.37AndyMillaryes
08:48.03halimorning
08:48.32AndyMillarmornin
09:06.39Mohanmorning
09:08.18zaarggood morning
09:35.14ChoHagAdobe ... DRM protection provided through their proprietary ADEPT mechanism.
09:35.19ChoHagThe recently developed INEPT framework and scripts have been reverse-engineered to circumvent this DRM system.
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11:19.53ChoHagThe staff in the team over the hall are watching The Daily Chav, or Trisha as it's commonly called.
11:20.02ChoHagThank fuck there's no sound.
11:24.25cpufreakwhich staff?
11:24.35ChoHagI've no idea what they do there.
11:24.38cpufreakimagine that, not doing work during work hours.
11:24.46cpufreaksuch a slacker you are chohag
11:24.56bilarhcrazy stuff, working at work
11:25.00ChoHag*I'm* not watching it.
11:27.05ChoHagThe only non-work I'm doing is trying to ensure I'm still alive enough to come back to work on Monday by working out what to do with/for/to my wife this weekend.
11:29.30ChoHagI'll never understand why people go on those shows, in this country or any other.
11:29.48ChoHagActually especially in this country. It's very un-British.
11:30.51bilarhis it really?
11:31.09bilarhthe kind of people who go on shows like trisha seem to make up a majority of brits nowadays
11:31.16ChoHagHmm.
11:31.18bilarhso perhaps it's very british indeed
11:31.19halimost people that go on those shows don't have anything else to do, not like they have jobs
11:31.20ChoHagThis is depressengly true.
11:54.14ChoHagsighs
11:54.26ChoHag$ diff -ur {staging} {live) | wc -l
11:54.29ChoHag41139
11:59.54halianyone know any good server room aircon companies? we're fed up with the people we deal with
12:03.29cpufreakout source dude
12:03.31cpufreakput it in the cloud
12:03.33cpufreakget with the times
12:03.38cpufreakits like totally awesome
12:03.47cpufreake^max
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12:04.53halidoubt the banks who owns the data we hold would like that
12:05.04cpufreakI know
12:05.04halithis is just for our office server room anyway, dev/qa stuff
12:05.09cityLightscan anyone help me out with basic git usage?
12:05.10cpufreakI was being utterley sarcastic
12:05.15halii thought so :)
12:05.16cpufreakcityLights: man git.
12:05.40halionly need a 250kBTU or something like that
12:06.18haliother kit lives down at interxion or in the fancy suburb known as slough!
12:06.31cityLightscpufreak: I did , as well as read a guide , yet I can't do a simple clone
12:08.41cpufreakwhy not?
12:10.19cityLightsgit clone git://192.168.0.10/dir dir
12:11.00cityLightsmin I wiped it clean and started over
12:12.01cityLightsshould I have these options in the daemon? --syslog --export-all --base-path=/var/git /var/git
12:12.15cityLightsI mean I read about it , but dont understand it
12:12.40cityLightswhat does --base-path=/var/git mean? what is "jail root" ?
12:12.46cityLightshttp://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Git
12:16.35z00daxcityLights: git daemon has a fairly good man page
12:17.21ChoHagcityLights: Do it over ssh.
12:17.22ChoHagEasier.
12:17.46z00daxmuch easier over ssh for push and cgit for web browsing
12:17.47cityLightshow?
12:18.11z00daxhow much git-friendly are you ?
12:18.14ChoHaggit url is git+ssh://[user@]host/path
12:22.21cityLightsworks now
12:22.29cityLightsguess the path was the issue
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12:26.51dick_turpinAfternoon all
12:27.13boudiccasgood afternoon dick_turpin
12:28.22dick_turpinboudiccas: We have smatterings of snow :-(
12:28.49dick_turpinSort of like icing sugar sprinkled on the ground
12:32.20boudiccasah, typical spring weather hten? :)
12:35.58dick_turpinsets fire to bilarh's shoes
12:39.11z00daxcityLights: btw, I might recommend using moin, backed by a git repo store for what you are trying to do
12:39.28z00daxthat would allow you to go back-forth, get version control on the move and still have content that can be easily shared around
12:39.47z00daxand iirc, I've seen moin run on a n810 in a 'usable' fashion
12:40.18z00daxsome assembly required, batteries not included.
12:47.57kjsHum, traveling from Pimlico to Bank, early, (like 6am early), tube or bus?
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12:48.17kjsfirst tube is at 5:30
12:48.17lampuserhello guys
12:48.23boudiccastube
12:48.28lampuserI got a question
12:48.31kjsim a lady
12:48.33boudiccaslampuser, we're not all 'guys' in here
12:48.42lampusersorry
12:48.48kjsthats ok
12:48.49lampuserladies and gentlemen
12:49.01boudiccasi much prefer the generic 'folk'
12:49.15lampuserregarding the /etc/shadow file
12:49.16kjsor "users"
12:49.52lampuserthe third field
12:49.58kjsRandom question, anyone know how to send the Break signal from a MacBOok
12:50.01lampuserthe date password was last changed
12:50.19boudiccaskjs, use a ball pein hammer :)
12:50.23lampuserwhat is that number and how it relates to date
12:52.17kjsboudiccas: :) I was coming close after finally giving up on the macbook and using a windows machine!
12:52.45boudiccas:)
13:26.08MrKenkjs: What type of Break?
13:29.44ChoHagA kit kat.
13:36.29MrKenMmmm.... :)
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13:41.47ChoHagThat's just wrong.
13:41.56ChoHagI shouldn't be able to download a whole CD in 5 minutes.
13:56.28MrKenChoHag: Home or $dayjob?
13:58.09ChoHagHome.
13:58.29MrKenNice. Virgin 50 or bonded ADSL?
13:58.33ChoHagI was thinking I'd better get it started so that it's ready when I get back home tonight and it's long finished.
13:58.37ChoHagRegular ADSL.
13:58.55ChoHagADSL2 that is.
13:58.56MrKenAh, you must be close to 24Mbps then?
13:59.09ChoHagYes.
13:59.25MrKenMy crappy line syncs at about 8.5Mbps on a good day
13:59.32MrKenPrevious place was over 17 :(
14:02.47kjsMrKen the kind you send to password reset a Cisco router :)
14:02.58kjsvia serial emulator program.
14:03.05ChoHagWhich serial emulator program?
14:03.21kjsI am going to install Windows 7 & Ubuntu via boot camp I think for safe messure!
14:03.21MrKenkjs: Ah. What serial emulator? I normally just use screen and use it to send a break
14:03.37kjsMrKen: how are you sending a break from screen?
14:03.45MrKenkjs: ^a^b
14:03.47kjs(MacBook has no break key!)
14:03.48ChoHagAlso, it seems I have 19.5Mb. Living close to the exchange kicks arse.
14:03.56ChoHagUnfortunately everything else about where I live is rubbish.
14:04.12MrKenkjs: Works like a charm using my FTDI USB->Serial adapter on my MBP
14:04.14kjsChoHag: I used to get 22mb! 120meter from exchange..
14:05.02zaargtrue geeks live near the exchange
14:05.05ChoHagI need to clean up the wiring in my house and see if that improves it any.
14:05.44kjsMrKen: what is ^a^b ?
14:05.46ChoHagFor some crazy reason BT strung the wires into the bedroom, where they travel through some external internal cable to the hall and along an extension lead to the cupboard under the stairs.
14:05.50MrKenkjs: Just start screen with "screen /path/to/serial/device"
14:05.51kjsexcuse my ignorance.
14:05.53ChoHag^ == ctrl
14:06.00kjshum
14:06.03MrKenkjs: Ctrl A + Ctrl B
14:06.08kjsif that works that would be great...
14:06.35MrKenkjs: Of course, you'll need screen installed...
14:07.08MrKenI use something like: "screen /dev/tty.usbserial-FTBS2MUC 9600" to start it
14:07.08kjsyeah i have screen installed...
14:07.45kjsI will test it as soon as the plumbers have finished soldering
14:08.21MrKenkjs: Cool. Only difficult part (perhaps) is identifying the correct serial device
14:09.34kjsdone that, i noted it down some where
14:09.46kjsusb serial thing like yours
14:10.43kjsMaplin
14:11.25MrKenkjs: Cool. As long as it's supported by OS X, you're fine
14:12.16MrKenkjs: There are some generic USB->Serial drivers for OS X floating around too
14:13.07kjsyeah pops up with new network interface detected
14:13.15kjsand came with drivers
14:13.31kjseverything work apart from Break signal.
14:14.41MrKenkjs: Great. You just need the terminal program (and screen'll do that for you)
14:15.19MrKenYou could also use cu
14:16.02MrKen(but screen is much nicer :)
14:16.12ChoHagkermit has its moments
14:16.30MrKenhasn't used kermit since the mid-90s :)
14:16.37ChoHagIt comes with its licensing fun though.
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14:18.29MrKenAh yes, forgot about that
14:20.14kjsscreen will do me
14:23.33kjsMrKen: what version of OSX you running?
14:23.33MrKenkjs: Leopard
14:24.02ChoHag<me> That's fine then. Can we meet at 4 on Friday?
14:24.08ChoHag<them> Yes, thats great - can I just confirm this Friday at 4pm?
14:26.17kjslol
14:29.31AndyMillarChoHag: what's wrong with that?
14:30.05ChoHagIt's repetetively redundant.
14:30.24AndyMillarnot really, it's sensible
14:31.01boudiccasits just making sure that you're all singing from the same songsheet :)
14:31.11AndyMillaryou've basically making sure that both parties have the correct interpretation of the time
14:31.30ChoHagMaking sure and sure and sure.
14:31.32AndyMillar(tcp does the same thing, just with checksums)
14:31.43kjsMrKen: doesnt work...
14:31.51kjsctrl A then ctrl B
14:32.00AndyMillarChoHag: I do that when arranging meetings
14:32.04kjsor ctrl + a and b
14:32.21kjsdeffo not working, sigh
14:32.34kjswhy couldnt apple just give us a damn break key...
14:32.35ChoHagAndyMillar: Perhaps I should have paraphrased more of the conversation then, but with the preceeding, it was definitely redundant.
14:32.45MrKenkjs: Does screen show you the console output?
14:32.46ChoHagkjs: Apple are special.
14:32.56ChoHagAlso - ^a ?
14:33.11MrKenkjs: It's ctrl-a followed by ctrl-b btw
14:33.29ChoHagMrKen: According to screen here it's both.
14:33.51kjsis it in the man file?
14:33.58MrKenChoHag: Ah
14:34.15MrKenkjs: Ignoring the break issue, is screen showing you console output when you run it?
14:34.27kjssigh, ill try ctrl a & b then but im pretty sure i did that a sec ago with no result
14:34.30kjsyeah
14:35.08MrKenkjs: Hrm, ok. I assume your copy doesn't have the keybindings altered?
14:35.11kjsbut its booting the image so break is not getting sent to the cisco it would seem, maybe ill try throwing the cisco out the window and see if it gets that break signal...
14:35.27MrKenkjs: Does Ctrl A+Ctrl C create a new session?
14:35.38kjsMrKen: considering I don't know how to do this, most likely not :)
14:35.42kjsill go test..
14:35.46boudiccaskjs, hint ...... open the window first, it saves you getting broken glass everywhere
14:36.18ChoHagWhat does a USB PC keyboard with a break key do on an apple?
14:36.25ChoHagAn apple computer.
14:37.04boudiccasChoHag, i prefer your first question, before you added 'apple computer' :))))))
14:40.49kjsChoHag: it sends the break signal aparntly, according to a thread i found a couple days ago.
14:41.02kjsid like to not carry a keyb if i can help it though.
14:42.29MrKenkjs: Any luck with Ctrl A+Ctrl C?
14:44.19kjsctrl a ctrl c works
14:44.26kjsctrl a then ctrl c
14:44.35kjsctrl b does nothing
14:44.54ChoHagMaybe apple have fiddled around with screen.
14:45.07ChoHagNot that apple change pointless things randomly.
14:45.14MrKenkjs: Hrm. Unless it's a USB -> Serial adapter that can't send breaks. I think such things exist :(
14:45.15kjsnot at all...
14:45.24kjsMrKen: possible
14:45.32MrKenkjs: And Ctrl A + Ctrl B does nothing?
14:45.35kjswell
14:45.40kjsit sends a break from windows.
14:45.47MrKenAh
14:45.50kjsmaybe mac drivers are shit
14:46.01ChoHagkjs: Do ctrl-a ?
14:46.07MrKenkjs: Perhaps try cu?
14:46.07ChoHagIt should tell you there what does what.
14:46.23kjsmaybe ill just install ubuntu and windows 7 that way im covered.
14:46.27kjsill try it ChoHag
14:46.51kjsctrl-a = no other windows
14:47.17ChoHagPress ctrl-a then press ?
14:47.18MrKenkjs: ChoHag meants Ctrl-A followed by a question mark
14:47.22MrKener, meant
14:47.25kjsdoh
14:47.26kjsok
14:48.45kjsyeah gives help screen
14:48.56kjssays ^B b for break
14:49.30kjsi think i might give up with mac os, it always seems to find a way to piss me off these days, with it's bastardized bsd
14:49.49ChoHagGood man. Hold that thought.
14:50.01MrKenkjs: Give cu a try
14:50.49kjsi could of done this hours ago in linux / windows... steve jobs is killing me...
14:50.55kjsic never used cu
14:52.58MrKenkjs: Just do a 'cu -l /path/to/port -s 9600' (assuming 9600)
14:53.26MrKenkjs: Once connected, hit ~# to send a break
14:56.45kjsok, got an output but i have no ~ key
14:56.54kjsunless i do alt 3
14:57.01kjsand no ~ either
14:57.06kjs(this is painfull)
14:57.32kjssorry i do i have a ~ key
14:57.58kjsI am going to be running out of fingers trying to press all these key! it doesnt seem to be working either,
14:58.04MrKenDamn
14:58.25kjsim minicom it was actually display BREAK on the screen when i was doing alt A then alt F
14:58.38kjsso i think the mac drivers just suck
14:58.46kjsfor this serial usb
15:00.13MrKenkjs: What chipset is your adapter? May be worth trying these drivers: http://osx-pl2303.sourceforge.net/
15:00.15kjsim going to install ubuntu and windows 7, seee if i can get it working with the macintoss with one of those!
15:00.37kjsnot sure its blue witha  silver cable seems pretty common adaptor
15:01.12MrKenHmmm... Seems the Prolific vendor-supplied drivers can't send a break(!)
15:02.20kjsjesus
15:03.42kjshow would i go about removing the existing drivers from mac osx?
15:03.47ChoHagdriver?
15:03.54ChoHagWhat is this thing whereof you speak?
15:04.45MrKenkjs: Did you install anything to get the adapter working?
15:05.11bilarhmrken: just a small correction: it's not working ;)
15:05.24kjsMrKen:  yeah the drivers off the cd.
15:05.26MrKenbilarh: heheh
15:05.43MrKenkjs: Can you uninstall them? That should remove the kext methinks
15:06.27kjslooks for add remove programs on a mac... dpkg? yum... rpm... help?!
15:07.01kjsdo you just find the file and delete it
15:07.07kjsfucking hell Apple...!
15:07.16ChoHagfind(1)
15:07.44MrKenkjs: Poke arround in the directory you installed the app in
15:08.09MrKenkjs: Otherwise you can probably nuke the kext manually (it's in /System/Library/Extensions
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15:12.17kjsIt installed via a .pkg
15:13.24MrKenkjs: You can probably just nuke the kext manually and delete whatever got dumpted in /Applications
15:14.21kjsits a prolific 3203 according to dmesg
15:14.42MrKenOk, open source driver should work then
15:16.53kjsok iv nuked the knet
15:27.02kjshttp://osx-pl2303.sourceforge.net/
15:37.52kjsok installed open source driver, it fails to even detect the adater when its connected
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15:40.09MrKenkjs: Erk. Nothing in dmesg?
15:40.47zaargnew netbook or second-hand thinkpad?
15:40.53zaargdecisions, decisions
15:40.55MrKenkjs: The open source driver uses a different device name, BTW
15:42.14kjsWahooooooooo
15:42.17kjsfinally
15:42.22kjsIt sent a break
15:42.31kjsi reinstalled the drivers again
15:42.39kjsuses a different device name yeah
15:45.19MrKenSweet
15:45.44kjsfinally!
15:45.51kjsThanks for all the help :)
15:46.30MrKennp :)
15:46.50kjsdamn drivers...
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16:04.36kjsim going to donate 10$
16:08.41dick_turpinAnd today bilarh is wearing mostly purple http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=9470
16:24.04kjsanyone got an example of a DR plan?
16:39.41ChoHagDon't Panic.
16:39.55ChoHagRemember your towel.
16:40.41zaargabandon ship
16:42.50z00dax|site| -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> |dr site|
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17:10.54kjshaha
17:16.04haliproper DR always cost a lot more than most people are willing to pay
17:16.30haliand usually involve storage level replication and fairly pricey leased lines etc
17:19.19haliand if you go carrier neutral and want to fail over your IP range you need to do some funky BGP as well
17:22.39Dominicheh, we had a customer ask about DR recently when we had a storage outage for ~4 hours.  Told them that it'd be at least what they're paying now for equipment and our support costs, plus another 50% to make it work together.  They soon gave that dream up..
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18:38.28AzundrisOK, please advise. I have a smartphone, I'd like unlimited data (or "close"), I'd like month-to-month or prepaid, and I'd like good coverage in the Greater London area. (I think I do < 300 minutes of vox pcm, but vox isn't the important part here.)  What network/provider do I want?  Thanks.
19:19.51cpufreakit doesn't matter
19:19.54cpufreakthey're all shit
19:21.46Azundris:-/
19:22.08AzundrisI'm kinda used to it, my coverage in LA was also shit
19:22.43AzundrisSpeaking of which, am I supposed to have coverage in the tubes?  Only some lines, yes?
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19:28.52cpufreakAzundris: the polite thing is to turn your mobile phone off when you're on the tube.
19:28.58cpufreaktalking in public is considered rude.
19:31.32AzundrisThat seems to be a decaying more, considering how many people have conversations on the tube, but that's really neither here nor there, as per above, I'm mostly interested in the data part.
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20:12.45ChoHagNFS sucks donkey's balls.
20:12.50ChoHagThrough a straw.
20:24.51zaargdocuments in queue: 503
20:24.53zaargsighs
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23:49.29kjsyo
23:55.07Armandkjs!
23:56.31kjsyo
23:56.37kjshows it going Armand
23:58.50z00daxAzundris: most of the tube lines are underground most of the time, and some are completely underground, there is no mobile phone coverage there
23:59.54z00daxAzundris: and in busy times, it is considered quite rude to be on the phone or have loud music

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