IRC log for #gllug on 20100212

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09:04.50ChoHagAh SVN. How we love thee.
09:04.56ChoHagsvn: Directory 'foo' is missing
09:05.01ChoHag$ mkdir foo && svn up
09:05.11ChoHagD    foo
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09:50.36Mohanhttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2327/2514455010_c699bd12bc.jpg
09:50.58MohanTux lunch..
10:52.23ChoHagSo who went to the gllug meet yesterday?
10:55.02Copenot I
10:55.54z00daxme neither
10:56.22Copeis there still an irc stats bot on gllug?
10:56.29Copeibot: hello
10:56.30ibotHowdy Bub
10:56.43Copewonder if it still produces a stats page
10:56.46Copei used to like that
10:56.57Copeibot cope
10:56.58ibotACTION frowns, "I'm coping fine thank you."
10:57.07Copeibot william
10:57.08ibotsomebody said william was the son of Cope, who is living with Cope!, or not to grow up anything like George, or probably eating
10:57.20Copeibot Cope
10:57.21ibotACTION frowns, "I'm coping fine thank you."
10:57.24Copefrown
10:57.49Copeibot JD
10:57.50ibotsomebody said jd was looking for a indie or nu-metaler geek girl, non-smoker, or that's Councillor JD to you!
10:58.09Copeibot dankolb
10:58.17z00daxibot: wethrin
10:58.18ibot[wethrin] bigger than a breadbox, unless said breadbox is > 5'11" long, or silly, or afraid that its time to correct how people use it's, or ha, or bigger than a bread box
10:58.33wethrinyarr?
10:58.37Copeibot clyphox
10:58.37ibotclyphox is probably a man of his word. someone who blows up microwave ovens
10:58.43Copehello wethrin
10:58.46wethrinhello
10:59.00Copei haven't been in this channel for a very very ong time
10:59.03Copeshall i come back?
10:59.10wethrinYes, why not
10:59.25wethrinIt's only mildly busy during office hours
10:59.33Copeyou will have to tell me who all the new people are
10:59.44wethrinI don't know half of them :)
10:59.50Copesmiles
10:59.52Copeus old timers
10:59.55wethrinyeah
11:00.08wethrinI've been around here about 9 years now
11:00.09Copeibot jenson
11:00.10ibotjenson is probably all id
11:00.12wethrinSeen people come and go
11:00.25Cope8 yrs for me
11:00.30wethrinyoungster
11:00.33z00daxI dont really know most of the old timers too well, and i definitely dont know most of the new timers.
11:00.38z00daxus inbetweentimers
11:00.55Copeibot spudulike
11:00.56ibot[spudulike] Colin, rarely Mr Murphy.
11:01.06Copeibot tarragon
11:01.07ibotfrom memory, tarragon is Cheap, by his own admission. the felt dragon of life
11:01.22Copeibot zarchary
11:01.30Copeibot zachary
11:01.31ibotfrom memory, zachary is cute, or changing smelly nappies
11:01.53Copeibot highbury
11:01.54ibotit has been said that highbury is Steve, home page http://www.highbury.demon.co.uk, currently available for contract or permanent position, as a Unix Administrator and Security Consultant, or http://www.highbury.demon.co.uk
11:02.08Copewethrin: who elsE?
11:03.12wethrinI can't remember now
11:03.13wethrinibot logs
11:03.14ibotAll conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
11:03.19Copeah
11:03.42wethrinoh, morsing was around, of course
11:04.08Copegregj :)
11:04.19wethrinand pawel
11:04.29Copeooh... erm... french chap
11:04.40Copeno italian - formi!
11:05.34Copemurble
11:05.42Copexiaoqi
11:06.52Copeoh... eye69 - you've been around for ages
11:07.30wethrinCatalonian!
11:07.40wethrinmurb's still around on other IRC channels
11:07.42Copeyeah
11:07.48Copewhat was alec - a4226 or something
11:07.51Cope*alex
11:07.54wethrinspqr
11:08.01Coperesudaed
11:08.11Copeoh - paul cupis
11:08.12wethrinoh yes. He's on Facebook occasionally
11:08.51Alex*Cope
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11:09.04CopeAlex: lo
11:09.49Copeoh of course, jason_ukfsn
11:10.10jason_ukfsnof course me what?
11:10.17wethrinyou were around in the Good Old Days
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11:10.31wethrinwhen LCD monitors were shiny and new, and something to be awed
11:11.07Mohanoh ok, I have never worked with it. so I cant comment.
11:11.15jason_ukfsnOh yes. I even bought one. A shiny new 15" LCD monitor from CDT which they replaced foc 4 years later when it broke
11:11.21wethrinMohan: Wrong channel?
11:11.26Mohan:(
11:11.37Copehello Mohan - who are you?
11:11.58MohanHello Cope, I'm Mohan
11:12.14Copebows; pleased to meet you.
11:12.38Copewho was that mad russian chap
11:12.40Copeivan?
11:12.55wethrinMy first Gllug meeting was the one he stormed out of
11:13.02wethrinand Colin and John took over
11:13.03Mohansays nice to meet you as well.
11:15.09DiscordianUKIvan B?
11:15.43DiscordianUKremembers the Docklands meetings
11:20.13gregjCope: :)
11:21.43haliwethrin: hehe, why did he storm out? someone slagged off perl? :)
11:22.58wethrinI don't remember
11:23.06wethrinsomething about the direction of where gllug was going
11:23.13ChoHagDo mad Russians need a reason?
11:25.49DiscordianUKremembers Colin
11:34.58Copeused to live near Colin
11:56.42MohanI've got a simple query regarding netbackup, If I have /* in exclude_list and /var/www, /etc in in include_list. will it still backup /var/www and /etc or will it not backup the whole system ?
11:57.50halinot sure, why not just stick /etc and /var/www in the policy?
11:57.57haliinstead of ALL_DRIVES (or /)
11:58.19halihates batteling with netbackup
12:03.18CopeMohan: i think that it will not back up anythng
12:19.34Mohanok, thanks.
12:23.45Mohanhali: Its the default backup provided by NTT, we maintain a separate backup ourselves as they charge a fortune for it. I just dont want NTT to backup anything.
12:24.24MohanI'm going to comment out all the lines in include_list and just have the exclude_list with /* .
12:27.38MohanIf you forget to turn off thier backups they will backup the whole system and charge you for it.
12:36.41halihow annoying
12:38.25halidepending on how much you pay, can't you just get a cheap datacenter link in a second DC and do replication yourself?
12:38.34halia datahop gig port between london dc's is dirt cheap
12:39.12haliyou need the advanced disk option in netbackup if you want it in fancy netbackup format
12:39.46haliwhich could get pricey, but copying important data with snapshots or something could be a cost saving
12:40.50Copedoesn't love VxNB
12:40.50AndyMillarsurely it'd be cheaper and better to use rsnapshot to an off-site device?
12:53.19Mohanwe do backup it up to an offsite location. NTT is cheaper than Rackspace but very reliable. It has got soemthing to do with geographical location of the servers.
12:55.28Mohanwe have the rest of the servers in US, which is much cheaper than these both.
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12:59.46dick_turpinAfternoon all
13:13.01dick_turpinwethrin: I know you don't do identi.ca twitter etc so you'll have missed this "If you're colleague orders 80 of these http://tinyurl.com/ydo3w79 for an install today it helps if you have the VGA cables. Oops!" someone should have checked the delivery
13:54.00z00daxhumm NTT ... aka Verio in the US
13:54.13z00daxI've had some dealings with them in the past, not the best at customer support those guys
14:12.50wethrindick_turpin: I couldn't possibly comment about being on twittr
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14:13.57dick_turpinwethrin: I'm considering applying for the opensuse community managers job
14:14.02wethrinGood plan
14:15.01dick_turpinMate I wouldn't even get a rejection letter, they'd be unable to write it due to hysterics
14:15.18wethrinHey, at least it'll brighten their day
14:15.40dick_turpinI wonder if your supposed to send a CV?
14:16.13dick_turpinOr would "Can I apply for the job please" do?
14:16.41DiscordianUKDo you have a lot of prior involvement with opensuse ?
14:17.51zeroXtenanyone know any good recommendation docs for hostname and dns naming conventions?
14:18.14wethrinRFC 2100
14:18.27wethrinhttp://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2100.html
14:18.40zeroXtenah yeah, i read that earlier...
14:18.56dick_turpinDiscordianUK: Some, many moons ago
14:19.30dick_turpinI've used it for 8 or 9 years
14:19.32DiscordianUKI'd imagine a prerequisite would be an ongoing involvement
14:19.51DiscordianUKand participation in the forums and irc channels
14:19.52dick_turpinI thought that but apparently not
14:20.11wethrinzeroXten: Also, RFC 1178
14:20.12DiscordianUKThat would almost certainly be the case for fedora
14:20.28dick_turpinBasically they need someone with a plan
14:21.12DiscordianUKGood luck then
14:22.15dick_turpinDunno if I could stand the pressure of being famous like Jono & Aq
14:23.31wethrinyou'll only be famous if you actively do something
14:23.53DiscordianUKYou mean infamous surely
14:24.03wethrinyes, yes I suppose I do
14:25.27dick_turpin(14:23:13) wethrin: you'll only be famous if you actively do something What you trying to say? :-/
14:25.48wethrinyou'll be quite safe and won't be famous :)
14:29.56rhowehm, matching on multipath devices with udev seems to be tricky
14:34.08zeroXtenthanks wethrin btw
14:35.22wethrinyw
14:42.00zeroXtenhmm, now its just site names which are being a pain ;)
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16:05.51Mohanand ?
16:06.09wethrinwrong window again?
16:06.13Mohan:(
16:06.25Mohantoday is a complete disaster ..
16:07.27wethrinIt's weekend tomorrow
16:17.01jason_ukfsnit's the weekend this evening! Don't wait for tomorrow - a good lot of it will have passed you by!
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16:19.34dick_turpinThe weekend is cancelled it will now be Monday tomorrow
16:19.56boudiccasspoilsport!!!!!!
16:20.04wethrinBooo Mondays
16:21.54dick_turpinAnd because people in the UK are having too much fun and spending way too much money it has been decided that every day of the working week will be Monday I.e. 5 Mondays per week
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17:17.49halihm, very odd... i made a very funny "gay for pay" comment and my colleuge thought i was slagging off homos
17:18.08haliit's weird that no one is using 'gay' for cheerfull these days
17:18.15haliexcept myself of course
17:18.25DiscordianUKchuckles
17:18.52DiscordianUKgay for homosexual has been normal usage since about 1973
17:19.07haliyes, but i don't know that, im swedish (or at least that is the story im sticking to)
17:19.38DiscordianUKThere's no equivalent in Swedish?
17:20.05haligay in swedish 100% means homosexual
17:20.37DiscordianUKWell it's what it normally means now in English
17:22.02DiscordianUKThough strangely the OED doesn't acknowledge that usage
17:22.33DiscordianUKor at least it's (d)
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