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05:26.07 | morsing | Any problems with the UK Internet link? |
05:30.46 | morsing | Nwvernmind, works now. Odd |
08:21.09 | hali | bgp looks ok |
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08:38.54 | morsing | jason_ukfsn! |
08:39.15 | jason_ukfsn | morning |
08:39.40 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: How's the kids? |
08:40.08 | jason_ukfsn | OK. How's you? |
08:41.44 | wethrin | hallo peeps! |
08:42.23 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: Good, thanks |
08:42.25 | morsing | wethrin! |
09:15.31 | z00dax | check it! |
09:25.26 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: What's dual line broadband? |
09:25.31 | morsing | z00dax: Beer |
09:25.46 | z00dax | morsing: i have whiskey here |
09:26.46 | morsing | Nice |
09:26.49 | morsing | And haggis? |
09:29.16 | z00dax | nope |
09:29.27 | morsing | :-/ |
09:33.08 | Dread_ | how would i adjust the volume via command line on ubuntu? |
09:34.13 | morsing | There's a Gnome command IIRC |
09:34.20 | morsing | gnome-volume or something |
09:35.09 | wethrin | gnome-volume-control brings up the Gnome volume controller GUI |
09:35.39 | Dread_ | yeh i want to actively raise and lower the volume with a command... |
09:35.52 | morsing | wethrin: Hmmm... There's a command line thing... |
09:37.09 | jason_ukfsn | morsing, "dual line" broadband is a new phrase to me. It's meaningless without some context but at a guess I suppose it might be a description dreamed up by someone who doesn't know how to say "bonded adsl". |
09:37.36 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: Under BROADBAND: |
09:37.36 | morsing | http://aaisp.net.uk/ |
09:37.55 | morsing | Sayd high availability though, so you're probably right |
09:37.57 | morsing | says |
09:38.12 | wethrin | http://aaisp.net.uk/broadband-extraline.html |
09:38.28 | Dread_ | i thought dual line broadband *was* bonded adsl? |
09:38.40 | wethrin | http://aaisp.net.uk/kb-broadband-bonding.html |
09:39.40 | jason_ukfsn | Ah, A&A have a slightly different angle on this. They are selling a service using different networks (BT and Be LLU) in order to provide some resilience against network failure. |
09:40.15 | morsing | Ok |
09:40.29 | jason_ukfsn | It is bonded ADSL but using separate suppliers. I'm not aware of anyone else offering this. We, and everyone else I am aware of, bond multiple lines from the same network supplier. |
09:41.41 | Leeds | A&A are somewhat specialised |
09:42.01 | Dread_ | I've heard good things about A&A |
09:43.37 | jason_ukfsn | A&A are very good if rather expensive. Certainly if you have persistent problems with your broadband service they are likely to be the best ISP to switch to as their systems are designed to harass BT in a practically autistic manner to get things done. |
09:44.40 | morsing | ADSL sucks |
09:44.56 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: What's the relationship between up/down speed? |
09:45.04 | morsing | Does one limit the other? |
09:45.21 | morsing | Annex M? |
09:46.36 | jason_ukfsn | Annex M *can* reduce download speed a little to improve upload speed (so can Annex A but not as much) but whether it will and to what extent is very line specific. |
09:46.48 | Dread_ | jason_ukfsn, yeah i agree, thats what i thought. i personally use Be, i think they're really the only decent ISP for heavy users while still being fairly priced |
09:47.06 | jason_ukfsn | ADSL may suck but it's a hell of a lot better than paying £15,000 for a leased line! |
09:47.12 | morsing | I know |
09:47.32 | hali | you can get a 10meg leased line connection for about 400 quid a month these days |
09:47.37 | hali | from someone like colt |
09:47.45 | Dread_ | i'm on a leased line atm, 100meg, but i'm at work :P |
09:47.53 | morsing | You can get slow SDSL for a couple of hundred a month |
09:48.14 | hali | leased line install can be quite dear though, if you dont have a mux already |
09:48.30 | morsing | Ok, they're ignoring people on IRC |
09:51.34 | Dread_ | so where is everyone then? |
09:51.46 | wethrin | did you start asking where random people are again? |
09:52.01 | Dread_ | first time |
09:52.10 | Dread_ | i only came in here for the first time yesterday |
09:52.26 | Dread_ | is new |
09:53.04 | Leeds | I'm at my desk, if that helps |
09:53.14 | Dread_ | :/ |
09:53.17 | wethrin | I'm also at my desk |
09:53.33 | Dread_ | fair enough, bugger ye's :P |
09:54.19 | Leeds | my desk being on the 6th floor of the Chung Hing Commercial Building on the Sheung Wan side of the escalator |
09:55.48 | Dread_ | Honk Kong? |
09:55.53 | Dread_ | Hong Kong* |
09:56.18 | Dread_ | so google says |
09:56.21 | Leeds | now why would you say that? |
09:56.36 | Leeds | oh, Google, right |
09:56.55 | Dread_ | :P |
09:57.11 | Leeds | bloody know-it-all website |
09:57.22 | Dread_ | isnt it terrible |
09:58.28 | bilarh_ | total awesomness, cpan is so good |
09:58.38 | bilarh_ | i wish there was a package manager in linux that was as clever as cpan |
09:59.34 | wethrin | cpan is tedious on first install |
09:59.39 | wethrin | and then it decided to bum out on me |
09:59.42 | wethrin | so sod that |
10:00.23 | Dread_ | whats so awesome about it? (not being a perl dev, i've never used it) |
10:01.04 | wethrin | you can install Perl modules |
10:01.13 | wethrin | and it'll pull down the dependencies for you |
10:01.14 | Dread_ | well, that i know |
10:02.05 | Dread_ | just wondering why its better than any package managers for linux |
10:02.31 | bilarh_ | it's just nice |
10:02.34 | bilarh_ | and it's written in perl |
10:02.43 | bilarh_ | and the search understands perl regexps |
10:02.50 | Dread_ | i see |
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10:03.01 | bilarh_ | it's probably no better than any other package manager in reality |
10:03.07 | Dread_ | fair enough |
10:03.08 | bilarh_ | but, it gives me a hard on because it's perl :) |
10:03.17 | Dread_ | heh |
10:03.31 | hali | most perl modules are available in rpmforge anyway :) |
10:03.31 | Dread_ | re-code apt or yum or something in perl then :P |
10:03.41 | hali | beats using lousy cpan |
10:04.40 | mikejw | hallo! |
10:07.20 | Dread_ | hey mikejw |
10:11.09 | jason_ukfsn | apt or yum are only as good for perl as the number of modules that have been packages up for them. |
10:11.14 | Dread_ | wishes there was a greggs near by |
10:11.28 | morsing | Greggs-- |
10:11.31 | jason_ukfsn | I try to use apt where I can but often fall back to cpan in order to have something that actually works. |
10:12.52 | ChoHag | Do you use CPAN directly or convert to a deb first? |
10:12.54 | Dread_ | nearest Greggs is 1.4 miles away according to Google Maps |
10:13.01 | ChoHag | Dread_: Too close. |
10:13.16 | Dread_ | Too far away! |
10:13.30 | Dread_ | where i come from theres almost one on every corner |
10:16.04 | jason_ukfsn | I use cpan directly. I've no real interest in turning everything into a distro package. |
10:19.46 | ChoHag | Is that why you left? |
10:21.12 | bilarh_ | well, i couldn't find Expect.pm in a package for example |
10:21.15 | bilarh_ | CPAN to the rescue |
10:21.38 | bilarh_ | when i say i couldn't find expect.pm as a package, i meant one that installs :) |
10:23.20 | cpufreak | bilarh_: apt-get install libexpect-perl |
10:23.33 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: apt doesn't work all that well on centos derivatives |
10:23.45 | cpufreak | rpm -ivh debian.rpm |
10:24.08 | bilarh_ | apparently debian.rpm has not been authorized for use at this site :( |
10:25.27 | cpufreak | lame |
10:31.33 | mikejw | I've had some fun with cpan2dist |
10:35.18 | morsing | How do I transfer my VM number to a new BT line? |
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10:37.13 | morsing | Armand! |
10:37.30 | Armand | morsing! |
10:52.13 | morsing | Does anyone know if Virgin Medie Cable would let me take my phone number with me to BT? |
10:52.40 | Armand | Possible... I think it's PITA though. |
10:52.55 | jason_ukfsn | you can port a number away from VM yes |
10:56.17 | morsing | Armand: Just completed the on-lin eorder form and it says it'll happen automatically |
10:56.32 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: At what point should I cancel the VM line? |
10:57.37 | jason_ukfsn | I don't know. I suspect you should do it only after the new line is in place and the number successfully ported out. |
10:58.04 | morsing | Ok |
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11:08.13 | morsing | Leeds! |
11:08.19 | morsing | Leeds: *gngnnnfff* |
11:39.05 | Armand | Hummm.. |
11:39.07 | Armand | http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/14793999/Samsung-ES19-12-2-Megapixel-3x-Optical-Zoom-2-5-LCD-Digital-Camera-Black/Product.html?source=040051381&cm_mmc=Silverpop-_-R2_wk17%20May%20Day%20Email-_-A-_-ELEC_PROD_1&utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=R2_2010_APR_30_VOL5_ALL_MAY%20%281%29&utm_content=#features |
11:39.16 | Armand | Seriously considering.. |
11:41.43 | Leeds | or http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/14793999/Samsung-ES19-12-2-Megapixel-3x-Optical-Zoom-2-5-LCD-Digital-Camera-Black/Product.html for short :) |
11:42.54 | Armand | Yeah, sorry.. I got the link on an e-mailer. :P |
12:08.05 | gmarkall | Armand: I just bought one :-) |
12:08.36 | Armand | Just ordered it, now ? |
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12:20.10 | gmarkall | yes |
12:21.50 | Armand | get a memory card ? |
12:22.07 | Armand | DiscordianUK! |
12:23.31 | gmarkall | Yeah, I noticed after I bought it that it doesn't include one. But i already have a couple kicking around. |
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12:40.23 | Armand | I'm ordering one myself.. plus an 8GB card for 10.99 |
12:44.22 | DiscordianUK | what are you talking about? |
12:46.09 | Armand | 1 sec. |
12:47.07 | Armand | http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/14793999/Samsung-ES19-12-2-Megapixel-3x-Optical-Zoom-2-5-LCD-Digital-Camera-Black/Product.html |
12:47.11 | Armand | Should be that... |
12:47.19 | DiscordianUK | Ahhh I see |
12:48.31 | Armand | pages aren't loading for me.. I'm hogging the bandwidth. :P |
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14:19.11 | kjs | I am after some opinions... should I get http://www.netzensolutions.com/ redesigned to look more like, http://www.sun.com http://www.tripwire.com etc where there is one larger image then smooth nav some text and then links. |
14:19.26 | kjs | Or do you think http://www.netzensolutions.com/ is smooth enough as it is? Would you find it boring and leave instantly? If you were looking for IT Support... or would you just fill the form in and move onto the next site to find the cheapest support? |
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