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| 07:40.58 | cityLights | hi all |
| 07:41.04 | cityLights | ~seen leeds |
| 07:41.06 | ibot | leeds is currently on #gllug (5h 13m 14s), last said: 'do you really think the branded one won't be made in China? :)'. |
| 07:41.25 | Leeds | hello? |
| 07:41.37 | cityLights | hi there |
| 07:41.39 | cityLights | long time |
| 07:41.48 | Leeds | yup... how's things? |
| 07:42.06 | cityLights | new job offer maintaining asterix systems |
| 07:42.27 | cityLights | does using open-source justify getting low paied? |
| 07:42.34 | cityLights | payed |
| 07:43.15 | cityLights | I was meaning to ask if it makes sense requesting dhcp , if I dont wan tot use the defualt route, I get in replay |
| 07:43.18 | jpds | asterisk* |
| 07:43.23 | cityLights | right |
| 07:48.39 | Leeds | and no, the fact that you're using open source does not justify being low paid at all |
| 07:49.17 | AndyMillar | but most low paying jobs will use open source :) |
| 07:49.40 | cityLights | right, what I was thinking |
| 07:50.31 | cityLights | I can only tell ya , that in most cases, ppl no longer realy put any effort in reading CV |
| 07:50.44 | cityLights | even one page with minimal description |
| 07:50.57 | cityLights | as if they really dont care |
| 07:51.19 | AndyMillar | if they don't, then you don't want the job :) |
| 07:51.33 | cityLights | not that easy these days |
| 07:51.55 | cityLights | for example. when asked "tell me about yourself" |
| 07:52.11 | cityLights | they really want to here the job description n the ad |
| 07:52.14 | cityLights | nothing more |
| 07:52.30 | cityLights | and , yes, I want to pay rent |
| 07:53.48 | cityLights | so, assuming I got this network question. where may I ask? |
| 07:56.01 | cityLights | by the way , starting to learn pygtk |
| 07:56.18 | cityLights | seems I am turing from a scripting geek to a CS man |
| 07:56.46 | ChoHag | It's like puberty! |
| 08:02.44 | MrKen | 'turing'? No pun intended I take it? |
| 08:05.48 | Mohan | morning |
| 08:14.25 | j0nr | morning ! |
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| 09:19.05 | j0nr | Anyone been to or going to TAMLondon? |
| 09:20.41 | ChoHag | Is that on again already? |
| 09:21.40 | ChoHag | Depends what it costs. |
| 10:11.02 | j0nr | Well October ChoHag |
| 10:11.10 | j0nr | but tickets go on sale may 29 |
| 10:11.16 | j0nr | and last year they sold out in an hour |
| 10:16.28 | ChoHag | Why, when told that the person they seek sits at a desk which is empty, do people walk to the desk anyway? |
| 10:16.51 | ChoHag | Do they expect to see him hiding behind the cupboard? |
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| 10:46.34 | ChoHag | Aah Encapsulating Security Payload, not Extra Sensory Perception. |
| 10:47.00 | ChoHag | I thought Xen was trying to block out even the psychics. |
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| 11:18.21 | dick_turpin | Afternoon all |
| 11:22.02 | wethrin | lo |
| 11:23.00 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Are you sun burnt? |
| 11:24.11 | wethrin | Nope |
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| 11:24.45 | dick_turpin | I'm lovely and brown :-) |
| 11:28.10 | wethrin | That's nice |
| 11:28.22 | wethrin | I had a nice day yesterday, partly in the sun |
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| 11:33.13 | wethrin | yay |
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| 13:06.06 | ChoHag | Tip of the day: <blank window> |
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| 13:43.33 | ChoHag | Why do open sores developers not realise that the less documentation they have, the fewer developers are going to be able to (or want to) get involved? |
| 13:44.13 | cbz | because they are mostly autistic |
| 13:44.20 | cbz | and if you want to get involved SEND PATCH |
| 13:44.38 | cbz | also because writing code is funner than writing documentation |
| 13:46.09 | ChoHag | But more people can send patches if they know what to patch, which they find out by reading the documentation. |
| 13:52.42 | ChoHag | And now it's as if this guy is actively against the idea of me extending the app. |
| 13:53.37 | ChoHag | Fools. |
| 13:54.15 | ChoHag | "We don't want your help. We won't provide documentation and will argue the toss with you when you try asking how things work because you need to FUCK OFF AND LEAVE OUR APPLICATION ALONE." |
| 13:54.26 | ChoHag | "Please send a patch." |
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| 13:56.11 | cbz | are you arguing with theo? |
| 13:56.48 | ChoHag | 'warlord' |
| 13:56.50 | ChoHag | Whoever that is. |
| 13:57.45 | ChoHag | Go Go Google Translate! 'avec une locale française (export LANG=fr_FR)' => 'with a French locale (export LANG = en_US)'. |
| 13:58.53 | gmarkall | ChoHag: what application is it? |
| 13:58.58 | ChoHag | gnucash |
| 14:00.15 | ChoHag | Having an API for the engine that's not just straight libgnucash.so (or whatever it is) would apparently not 'be useful to the community as a whole'. |
| 14:00.23 | cbz | ahahaha |
| 14:00.26 | cbz | gnucash |
| 14:00.35 | ChoHag | Because who would ever want to access software other than with the GUI? |
| 14:02.05 | cbz | though in fairness perhaps he's just had to deal with a bunch of idiots who wanted to re-implement it in java with a SoA interface of some kind. |
| 14:02.22 | ChoHag | I think there are a lot of those. |
| 14:02.51 | ChoHag | "Waa! GnuCash is in C and Scheme and I only learned Visual Java ++ in my crappy CS course!" |
| 14:03.45 | cbz | what sort of api did you want? |
| 14:04.05 | ChoHag | Any. |
| 14:04.23 | ChoHag | I think it even exists. It's just not documented. |
| 14:04.40 | cbz | because the gnu projects generally have an aversion to api's that don't consist of some kind of 'linkable library' in whatever the local language analog is, due to the problem of remoting to get around the GNU share clause |
| 14:05.27 | ChoHag | That's because GNU are fucktards. |
| 14:05.35 | cbz | not entirely |
| 14:05.41 | ChoHag | Entirely. |
| 14:05.52 | ChoHag | Good programmers. Useful idealists. Also fucktards. |
| 14:05.56 | cbz | I've seen at least one crappy corporate product that was a gnu tool wrapped inside a java wrapper |
| 14:06.04 | cbz | which they were then charging large amounts for |
| 14:06.23 | ChoHag | And the people who paid for it were clearly idiots. |
| 14:06.43 | cbz | That doesn't negate the point. |
| 14:06.58 | cbz | And it's likely the idiots paying for it were different to the people who had to use it. |
| 14:09.21 | ChoHag | Better to make like easier for normal users and have the pricks take what you made than try (and fail) to stop the pricks by making life harder for the normal users. |
| 14:24.55 | jason_ukfsn | If you make life easy enough for everyone the pricks end up in a much harder marketplace as anyone and his dog can come along and punt the same (or better) product for a fraction of the price |
| 14:25.09 | jason_ukfsn | or for free |
| 14:31.58 | ChoHag | Indeed. |
| 14:34.38 | cbz | heh - as if. |
| 14:54.33 | ChoHag | He said, âBecause it only has one mouse button.â |
| 14:54.38 | ChoHag | I laughed hard for about 15 seconds and then said something along the lines of âgo fuck yourself.â |
| 14:55.02 | ChoHag | ^^^ Because actually he's right and there's no rational response to that that doesn't make an apple owner look like an idiot. |
| 14:56.03 | ChoHag | Actually, there's very little that doesn't make an apple owner look like an idiot, regardless of the number of mouse buttons. |
| 15:06.11 | jason_ukfsn | You're just full of happiness and joy today aren't you? |
| 15:08.14 | ChoHag | I am now. It's time to go home. |
| 15:14.08 | bilarh_ | mmm, beer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZQsA7G0hvQ&feature=related |
| 15:24.09 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: ritflmao |
| 15:24.14 | dick_turpin | rotflmao |
| 15:24.35 | bilarh_ | brilliant, eh? :D |
| 15:26.08 | dick_turpin | That is just hysterical even though you know what's coming |
| 15:27.19 | hali | what do people use for ssl accelleration/termination these days? |
| 15:27.47 | hali | nothing massive, about 20mbit traffic, currently going straight to a load of IIS windows boxes |
| 15:28.08 | hali | netscaler is my default answer but doesn't fit my budget at the moment |
| 15:28.52 | cbz | don't know anything small |
| 15:29.30 | cbz | linux box with a hifn card in it? |
| 15:31.45 | antiphase | Varnish |
| 15:31.55 | antiphase | randomly suggests something unsuitable |
| 15:38.07 | hali | hifn/exar seems to be quite interesting, as far as ssl cards go |
| 15:41.55 | dick_turpin | I take it for a cleaner signal I'd need clear varnish? |
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| 15:49.27 | hali | cbz: what hifn cards do you use? |
| 16:15.52 | cbz | hali: we had some express 4100s in a previous job i was in, we knew of them as a couple of people had left our place to go and work there |
| 16:16.37 | hali | ok |
| 16:16.42 | hali | that's the one im looking at |
| 16:17.02 | hali | seems better to have it on the NIC rather than as a standalone co-processor |
| 16:17.58 | cbz | yeah, those are aimed at OEMs i think. |
| 16:19.44 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: A parting gift for you http://i.imgur.com/jGtt9.jpg |
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