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| 07:39.23 | comm-tech-home | Graham went once, not sure if he has been again though |
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| 10:23.33 | kflop | hi |
| 10:24.04 | kflop | what open source cloud solution do you use? |
| 10:24.32 | kflop | I am examining Proxmox |
| 11:20.54 | ChoHag | I use English Weather v. 1.0. It comes with the operating system. |
| 11:20.58 | ChoHag | It's not open source though. |
| 12:33.41 | kflop | hi ChoHag |
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| 12:54.10 | tmobileuk | hi, i am a complete newbie to xubuntu and would like to have internet access via my T Mobile Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick |
| 12:54.17 | tmobileuk | can anyone help me? |
| 13:04.59 | DiscordianUK | I don't know about buntoo |
| 13:05.49 | DiscordianUK | But I know Fedora sees my Huawei mobile USB thingy and it can be configured by NetWorkManager |
| 13:06.53 | tmobileuk | but how do i configure it? |
| 13:08.16 | tmobileuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.22 | DiscordianUK | As I say NetworkManager and the 'Edit Connection' option |
| 13:08.44 | DiscordianUK | It is available or isn't? |
| 13:13.03 | tmobileuk | There is mobile broadband tab. I selected t-mobile UK as my provider but i can not surf. by the way ifconfig only shows lo as the only interface (my computer does not have an ethernet card) |
| 13:14.27 | DiscordianUK | Do you not have to provide other credentials (username etc) for the connection? |
| 13:17.41 | tmobileuk | my flatmate's girlfriend has that info. I will ask her. Now, is it normal that ifconfig does not show the Huawei usb thingy as a network device? |
| 13:18.23 | DiscordianUK | Not sure |
| 13:20.54 | tmobileuk | sorry but i made an important typo |
| 13:21.10 | tmobileuk | i should have said: NetWorkManager says there are NO network devices available |
| 13:21.58 | tmobileuk | The Huawei usb thingy does work on Windows though |
| 13:22.37 | tmobileuk | it came with a set up cd rom which i believe is useless on xubuntu |
| 13:23.02 | DiscordianUK | When asking for help being accurate with relevant info is important |
| 13:23.20 | tmobileuk | sorry, you are right. what shall i do now? |
| 13:23.46 | DiscordianUK | Tried asking google about the device? |
| 13:24.11 | DiscordianUK | It isn't the same model as the Huawei I have |
| 13:24.43 | kflop | tmobileuk: right you should look at /dev/ttyUSB* |
| 13:25.14 | kflop | the cellular modem appear as serial devices, you then run ppp over thenm |
| 13:25.42 | DiscordianUK | wvdial is a good dialer for ppp |
| 13:26.32 | tmobileuk | no /dev/ttyUSB* . do i need drivers or something? |
| 13:30.07 | tmobileuk | i repeat the serial device is not in the /dev dir |
| 13:32.44 | tmobileuk | dmesg recognises the device only as a mass storage device |
| 13:35.32 | tmobileuk | any ideas ? |
| 13:35.36 | tmobileuk | anyone? |
| 13:36.21 | DiscordianUK | yes use google |
| 13:36.56 | tmobileuk | i did google before coming here |
| 13:37.27 | DiscordianUK | Do tmobile support linux? |
| 13:38.03 | tmobileuk | and call their so called tech support and they say they do not support linux users |
| 13:38.18 | tmobileuk | and called their so called tech support and they say they do not support linux users |
| 13:38.46 | DiscordianUK | Your google-fu must be bad : http://www.review-ninja.com/2009/05/huawei-e160-and-ubuntu-e160-linux-howto.html |
| 13:40.04 | kflop | tmobileuk: you need to install usb swith |
| 13:40.45 | kflop | usb_modeswitch |
| 13:40.54 | DiscordianUK | That article above explains that |
| 13:41.26 | kflop | you also need a kernel module named option |
| 13:41.40 | tmobileuk | but it is not newbie friendly, it is too geeky |
| 13:42.07 | DiscordianUK | Linux is choosy about who it's friends are |
| 13:42.10 | kflop | do you know how to install the modeswitch package? |
| 13:42.23 | DiscordianUK | Me? yes |
| 13:42.39 | DiscordianUK | Though not on umbongo |
| 13:42.41 | kflop | cool, unplug the modem an install that package |
| 13:46.45 | tmobileuk | i found this http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=usb-modeswitch |
| 13:47.11 | tmobileuk | but not sure about how to go about installing the debs |
| 13:47.58 | tmobileuk | they are meant for squeeze, the testing version of debian gnu/linux |
| 13:51.59 | kflop | sorry mate, need to finish something here |
| 13:52.12 | kflop | I will ry to help in an hr |
| 13:54.30 | tmobileuk | ok, thanks |
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| 15:41.13 | tmobileuk | i installed usb-modeswitch but whenever i execute the application i get the error: No default vendor/product ID given. Aborting |
| 15:41.48 | tmobileuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.59 | tmobileuk | hi, i am a complete newbie to xubuntu and would like to have internet access via my T Mobile Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick |
| 15:43.09 | DiscordianUK | I pointed you to an article about making it work tmobileuk |
| 15:44.44 | tmobileuk | i followd that very geeky article and did bump into the problem i mentioned |
| 15:44.49 | tmobileuk | i installed usb-modeswitch but whenever i execute the application i get the error: No default vendor/product ID given. Aborting |
| 15:45.14 | DiscordianUK | Sorry then I don't do Umbongo |
| 15:45.32 | tmobileuk | sorry, i do not speak geeko |
| 15:45.40 | DiscordianUK | I wouldn't know where to look for it's config files |
| 15:46.07 | tmobileuk | now you are talking! |
| 15:47.06 | DiscordianUK | As I say I'm a CentOS/RHEL/Fedora person |
| 15:47.50 | tmobileuk | i see |
| 15:48.20 | DiscordianUK | Ubuntu is different |
| 15:48.31 | DiscordianUK | why not ask on #ubuntu ? |
| 15:48.46 | tmobileuk | i did 2 hours ago and no answer |
| 15:49.08 | tmobileuk | shall i remind them of my newbie predicament? |
| 15:49.14 | DiscordianUK | laughs |
| 15:52.32 | tmobileuk | this really sucks, you know. My flatmate's girlfriend, the one who bought the Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick, is very annoyed and says gnu/linux is too geeky and should be removed from her boyfriend's PC which he shares with me because we both paid for it when we bought it. |
| 15:53.18 | DiscordianUK | anyone who actually says gnu/linux should be taken out and shot IMHO |
| 15:53.49 | tmobileuk | she has been using the Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick and had no problems at all. it was very easy to setup and she is very happy with her internet access |
| 15:54.00 | DiscordianUK | A hint : this isn't a support channel |
| 15:55.27 | DiscordianUK | I do support on #fedora and questions are answered quickly usually |
| 15:55.47 | tmobileuk | she said gnu/linux is an unsupported OS when it comes to the desktop in general and devices like the Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick in particular. T-Mobile UK's so called tech support does not support linux users but will help you for free if you are a windows user |
| 16:14.28 | Leeds | erm, if you're "tmobileuk" why are you asking us for help? |
| 16:15.12 | DiscordianUK | point Leeds |
| 16:15.36 | tmobileuk | because tmobile uk does not support linux users and neither does the manufacturer |
| 16:16.01 | Leeds | which explains why you are using their name? |
| 16:16.02 | tmobileuk | and yes i did ask #ubuntu and #xubuntu |
| 16:16.11 | tmobileuk | yes i did google before coming her |
| 16:16.12 | tmobileuk | yes i did google before coming here |
| 16:16.18 | tmobileuk | yes, i am a newbie |
| 16:16.25 | Leeds | that's more than obvious |
| 16:17.22 | tmobileuk | my flatmate (the co owner of the PC) and his girlfriend are fuming. She is the owner of the Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick |
| 16:17.30 | Leeds | yes, you said that... repeately |
| 16:18.01 | Leeds | also, please repeat the full name of the device a few more times |
| 16:19.03 | DiscordianUK | chuckles |
| 16:19.07 | tmobileuk | the solution they give me is very simple: stop wasting your time with cryptic commands and geeko stuff and stick to what works and is very well supported by tmobile tech support |
| 16:19.20 | Leeds | frankly, in your case, they're right |
| 16:19.45 | DiscordianUK | Like windows |
| 16:19.46 | Leeds | you appear to have a " Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick" and have no idea what to do with a " Huawei Mobile Connect Model E160 usb modem stick" |
| 16:21.06 | Leeds | tmobileuk: okay, let's be sensible... you've hit on a case where the Linux hardware support - which is generally *excellent* nowadays - has let you down... you have a couple of choices: either you follow some geeky instructions (and learn something along the way) and probably get it working, or you give up and go reinstall Windows |
| 16:21.08 | tmobileuk | i had a friend 5 friends who gave up on linux this year. Too geeky and complicated, no support, lots of configuration headaches for popular devices |
| 16:21.28 | Leeds | it won't effect us in any way if you quit as well |
| 16:21.31 | DiscordianUK | maybe linux isn't for you |
| 16:21.57 | DiscordianUK | is geeky and proud of it |
| 16:22.37 | Leeds | my mum has commented to me that she was impressed by Linux's hardware support - the fact that she just plugged her multi-function printer thingy in and it worked, while she had to hunt down drivers for XP, and neither she nor I could get it working at all with Windows 7 |
| 16:22.44 | DiscordianUK | I've also never asked an ISP for support in 17 years on the net |
| 16:23.16 | DiscordianUK | Linux mostly just 'works' |
| 16:24.35 | Leeds | although to be fair, when it *doesn't* work it's about as hard as anything else to get working - if you're scared to look beneath the pretty shell |
| 16:24.53 | DiscordianUK | aye |
| 16:24.55 | Leeds | of course the difference is that most other OSs (i.e. Windows) won't let you look under the pretty at all |
| 16:25.12 | DiscordianUK | whereas Linux/Solaris will |
| 16:25.30 | DiscordianUK | and OSX for that matter too |
| 16:25.36 | Leeds | tmobileuk: you there? |
| 16:26.14 | tmobileuk | yes |
| 16:27.01 | Leeds | so? |
| 16:27.36 | tmobileuk | Leeds, when it *doesn't* work it's extremely difficult to get it working |
| 16:27.44 | Leeds | for you, maybe |
| 16:28.01 | Leeds | and as I said - you've got a choice of working on it and learning how to fix it, or giving up - moaning here won't help either way |
| 16:28.24 | Leeds | if you want to learn, you'll find people happy to help, if you want to moan you'll find hostility in return |
| 16:31.24 | tmobileuk | Leeds, i have been over 5 hours trying to find a solution : google, forums, irc, you name it. i did try. i am no geek, most desktop users would have given up by now |
| 16:32.28 | DiscordianUK | ja ja |
| 16:32.42 | DiscordianUK | why are you trying then? |
| 16:32.52 | Leeds | I must apologise |
| 16:33.15 | DiscordianUK | why ? |
| 16:33.24 | Leeds | I live in a place where English is not well or widely spoken, and I must have picked up some of the local incomprehensibility |
| 16:33.41 | tmobileuk | Bradford? |
| 16:33.48 | DiscordianUK | steady |
| 16:33.53 | Leeds | ooh, now you're asking for it |
| 16:33.59 | DiscordianUK | lives very close to Bradford |
| 16:34.16 | tmobileuk | no disrespect |
| 16:34.59 | Leeds | tmobileuk: let's make it simpler, shall we? no more moaning, no more complaining... if you want to get it fixed, say so and prepare to learn, or piss off |
| 16:35.03 | tmobileuk | Britain is a multicultural society and we should respect other people's cultures |
| 16:35.13 | DiscordianUK | You were perfectly eloquent Leeds |
| 16:35.38 | Leeds | (and by the way, I am not offering to teach, in the slightest - I'm going to bed in a minute, since I live a long long way from Bradford and it's past my bedtime) |
| 16:35.50 | DiscordianUK | good night Leeds |
| 16:36.13 | DiscordianUK | This isn't a teaching channel |
| 16:37.08 | Leeds | DiscordianUK: reasonably standard disclaimer from other channels - when I tell people how to get help, they often assume I'm offering (and able) to provide it |
| 16:37.19 | DiscordianUK | yuss |
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| 16:37.52 | DiscordianUK | helps on #fedora and #centos |
| 16:38.10 | DiscordianUK | but we don't spoon feed either there |
| 16:38.13 | Leeds | #android and #android-dev mainly for me, nowadays, with the odd foray into #python |
| 16:38.44 | ChoHag | Why would a router cause connections through it to hang only when they send data fast? |
| 16:38.55 | DiscordianUK | I must make an effort to learn python |
| 16:39.03 | Leeds | ChoHag: buffer overflow? |
| 16:39.10 | DiscordianUK | I usually use perl |
| 16:39.14 | Leeds | ugh |
| 16:39.27 | Leeds | anyway, lack of response from tmobileuk noted, and off to bed |
| 16:39.43 | DiscordianUK | good night |
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| 16:39.55 | Leeds | oh, there he goes |
| 16:40.04 | DiscordianUK | oh well |
| 16:40.31 | Leeds | it's frustrating to have hardware which doesn't work - but it was a whole fuck-load harder 10-15 years back |
| 16:40.43 | DiscordianUK | sure was |
| 16:41.13 | DiscordianUK | remembers waiting for {C}SLIP in 0.99 |
| 16:41.15 | Leeds | pretty rare nowadays, and even in his case it's not like he'll need to fiddle with driver code... just get the right tools/modules installed and working |
| 16:41.33 | DiscordianUK | in 1994 |
| 16:41.50 | DiscordianUK | so I could use linux to get on the net |
| 16:41.58 | Leeds | I remember partitioning by cylinder number, and having to apply a 2-line patch to every Linus kernel to get my TV card working |
| 16:42.11 | DiscordianUK | heh same |
| 16:42.23 | Leeds | I didn't really start until late 95 or early 96 |
| 16:42.33 | Leeds | and I'm still using Slackware today :D |
| 16:42.36 | Leeds | anyway, really, bed |
| 16:42.45 | DiscordianUK | I had SLS on floppies and then MCC Interim |
| 16:43.28 | Leeds | slackware on floppies, downloaded at the uni computer room and taken home 10 at a time... took me 3 days to do a full install :) |
| 16:43.32 | Leeds | bed! |
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