| 05:00.34 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:00.58 | Leeds | afternoon... |
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| 08:19.10 | laptop_hd | I have four laptop ide hard drives and using a usb-ide adapter i want to attach them to my netbook running gnu/linux and try and find out whether they are OK or not. since i am new to gnu/linux what tools shall i use? |
| 08:19.19 | laptop_hd | the file manager may show the contents of the hard drive but i am not concerned about the data they currently hold. i just want to find out whether there is current or impending hardware failure i should know about |
| 08:19.46 | laptop_hd | since i can not use smart over USB, is it executing mkfs.ext3 -c /dev/sdc1 the best thing i can do? |
| 08:19.49 | laptop_hd | i do not want to benchmark anything. i just want to find out whether there is current or impending hardware failure i should know about *without* using smart because it does not work over usb |
| 08:20.06 | laptop_hd | i do not have windows nor access to any windows box at the moment |
| 08:21.03 | Leeds | badblocks? |
| 08:23.47 | ChoHag | $wife repetedly puts the remote on the other chair and the disappears into the house somewhere. |
| 08:24.13 | ChoHag | Most frustrating. I'm currently stuck with watching kids cook and eat bugs |
| 08:24.20 | laptop_hd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.26 | Leeds | dunno, smart is probably better |
| 08:30.39 | laptop_hd | the problem is that smart does not work over usb |
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| 09:04.02 | Mohan | normal webpage. |
| 09:04.23 | Mohan | morning |
| 09:06.19 | morsing | ...? |
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| 11:06.20 | hali | any good remote monitoring providers around? i need a semi world wide web site response time monitoring, thinking of DIY-ing it with a bunch of coloboxes in 3-4 locations but may be better to use an service for it |
| 11:06.58 | ChoHag | X lets you specfiy two (or more) keyboard layouts which are cycled through by pressing a key, but lots of X apps have the gay mode enabled whereby only the first listed layout is used. |
| 11:07.51 | ChoHag | Apps written by people for whom specs and APIs are probably just confusing jumbles of symbols and nonsense and just poke it until it works. |
| 11:07.55 | ChoHag | For them. |
| 11:08.12 | ChoHag | The code equivalent of a web monkey. |
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| 11:58.57 | j0nr | hello all |
| 11:58.58 | j0nr | hello all |
| 11:59.01 | j0nr | oops! |
| 12:43.35 | dick_turpin | Any idea why a USB keyboard would start flashing and then the USB mouse as well as the KB is locked up after a minute or so (After boot) on a Linux system? |
| 12:44.47 | dick_turpin | I know you'll sya look in the error log but a colleague has just rang me about it and he knows nothing about Linux |
| 12:44.52 | dick_turpin | say |
| 12:49.02 | morsing | Who hates Virgin Media? |
| 12:51.29 | dick_turpin | http://www.b3ta.com/links/Lego_printer |
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| 12:54.47 | morsing | celesteh! |
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| 13:29.17 | morsing | Armand! |
| 13:29.25 | Armand | morsing! |
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| 13:39.04 | morsing | jason_ukfsn! |
| 13:39.21 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: Is there any worse customer service than Virgin Media's? |
| 13:39.41 | Armand | Yes.. Sky. |
| 13:39.48 | Armand | Oh, and Play.com.. |
| 13:39.51 | Armand | And BT.. |
| 13:42.56 | jason_ukfsn | morsing, hi. I really could not say. I don't use Virgin. |
| 13:43.25 | Armand | can't wait to start pestering Virgin for a 50mb/s connection. :D |
| 13:44.19 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: We've moved house, after being customers for five years, then after two months decided we wanted to leave them but no, moving means new contract (that we haven't seen or signed) and that means being tied in for another 18 months... Reason for wanting to leave was already the worst imaginable customer service |
| 13:44.39 | morsing | Armand: DO NOT GO THERE! You WILL regret being with VM! Just trust me |
| 13:44.44 | Armand | BS.. |
| 13:44.58 | Armand | Not as much as I regret being forced to use a shitty BT line. |
| 13:45.07 | morsing | Armand: Google "I hate Virgin MEdie " and "Virgin media sucks" if you don't believe me |
| 13:45.22 | morsing | Believe me, you don't want to go there |
| 13:45.30 | Armand | Yes.. I'll listen to hate-filled propaganda instead. |
| 13:45.39 | Armand | -_- |
| 13:46.07 | jason_ukfsn | morsing, it's reasonable for them to say that moving means a new contract but 18 months is not reasonable in my view unless you knew you were signing up to an 18 month contract. |
| 13:46.22 | morsing | Well, we now have two phone lines and two Internet lines at home... |
| 13:46.29 | Armand | Asides from the fact that both my brother and father have VM cable connections, without issues or complaint.. |
| 13:46.33 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: We didn't, they never told us |
| 13:46.39 | jason_ukfsn | Do remember however that the contract that is binding upon you is also binding upon them. As you have not seen said contract you can only go upon what is covered by statute and that includes fitness for purpose |
| 13:47.48 | Armand | The contract should be transferable.. as it's bound to YOU, not the property. |
| 13:47.54 | morsing | Armand: Before doing it, please just look into it a bit first. Consumers today are much more powerful because of the Internet and search engines, at least look at what others have to say |
| 13:48.04 | morsing | Armand: It's not |
| 13:48.23 | Armand | And, UK contract law states you are entitled to offer 1 months (4 weeks) written notice to terminate a contract. |
| 13:48.23 | morsing | Armand: VM is evil, it's obviously your choice to sign up |
| 13:48.27 | jason_ukfsn | Armand, that's not a reliable assumption. The contract very likely states that it is for supply to $customer at $premises |
| 13:48.28 | Armand | Yes, it is. |
| 13:48.59 | jason_ukfsn | Armand, contract law is not nearly so simple. If it were armies of lawyers would be unemployed. |
| 13:49.09 | Armand | lol.. true. |
| 13:49.29 | Armand | Besides, there is always "I moved.. *MIDDLE FINGER!*" |
| 13:49.48 | Armand | :P |
| 13:50.04 | jason_ukfsn | morsing, in what way are VM failing? |
| 13:50.35 | jason_ukfsn | Armand, to which VM can simply reply, "Yes, and we have your new address. Here is a court summons." |
| 13:52.24 | Armand | How would they obtain it, without anyone breaking privacy laws ? |
| 13:52.38 | antiphase | Ha ha |
| 13:52.57 | Armand | court order, sure.. but that's a tad aggressive. |
| 13:53.02 | morsing | jason_ukfsn: Many things... 80% of the time when you call them, they'll go "Yes, we'll do that" but then ignore them. Called them to arrange moving with more than two months notice, called again a month before to ask to upgrade the Internet line when we were moving. Was told that we'd never told them we were moving so that won't happen for a couple of months. This meant that we were without a connection for five weeks |
| 13:53.06 | antiphase | They sell the debt to somewhat less scrupulous people who have many ways to find out anything they want |
| 13:53.40 | morsing | Just before moving we were rung up saying we couldn't have both a moving request and an upgrade request in the system at the same time, which one did we want... wtf? |
| 13:54.02 | Armand | the last bailiffs that turned up at my dad's house were going the right way to end up in hospital. |
| 13:54.15 | morsing | Ended up eventually having the line installed, having to ring up again for the upgrade and they had to send the engineer out again, after a four week wait |
| 13:55.06 | morsing | During all this, my partnher over three months, rang them five times to ask to have me put on the account, yet every time I rang I got "You're not on the list sir". Everytime she rang they said "That's fine, we'll put him on the list |
| 13:56.05 | morsing | Then, one night, phone stopped working, no warning. Oh, by the way, ringing them means waiting ages, someone picking up and speaking to you, then geting cut off. |
| 13:56.13 | morsing | ALways... |
| 13:56.32 | Armand | Never had that.. |
| 13:56.46 | morsing | It turns out a slightly higher bill means cutting phone off no warning, requiring immediate payment but not re-enabling phone for another 24h |
| 13:57.01 | Armand | O_O |
| 13:57.05 | morsing | Sorry, haven't been able to read your comments typing all this... |
| 13:57.29 | Armand | They DID cut-off our line ONCE... when my brother rang up £80 in phone calls to ALABAMA! |
| 13:57.34 | jason_ukfsn | No enabling the phone again for 24 hours sounds like breach of contract to me. Cutting you off without warning is also unreasonable given a phone line is subject to USO. |
| 13:58.30 | Armand | thier contract does state that they will disable a connection if they deem it's activities as "unusual" |
| 13:58.44 | Armand | So, £80 to the US.. I can agree with. |
| 13:59.13 | jason_ukfsn | that's not a reasonable term in the contract. Deeming activity as "unusual" is too vague to be a reasonable term in a consumer contract. |
| 13:59.40 | Armand | Yes, it is vague.. :P |
| 13:59.56 | jason_ukfsn | Frankly anyone who is racking up £80 of international calls on a normal phone line needs to be disconnected so that they learn to use VoIP or an alternative dialing service for decent rates. |
| 13:59.58 | Armand | £80 to 1 number, in another country.. I can accept. |
| 14:00.24 | Armand | that's why he got his arse kicked.. and I taught him all about Skype and Messenger. |
| 14:00.30 | cpufreak | jason_ukfsn: not really. |
| 14:00.39 | cpufreak | not possible to use skype when I'm about and about. |
| 14:00.39 | antiphase | Armand: You got the family brain cell then |
| 14:01.01 | Armand | antiphase: Considered the 2 apps I mentioned.. that's debateable. :P |
| 14:01.21 | jason_ukfsn | cpufreak, it's not possible to use your home land line when you are out and about either. It is, however, possible to use an alternative dial service to get decent international rates. |
| 14:01.46 | cpufreak | not without faffing about. |
| 14:01.58 | cpufreak | easier to just dial the number |
| 14:02.01 | morsing | cpufreak: No faffing about required |
| 14:02.10 | Armand | I'm pretty sure the missus can use Skype on her iPhone.. ?_! |
| 14:02.28 | cpufreak | Armand: skype costs more than normal calls when you're aborad |
| 14:02.29 | Armand | She's got free internet with her package.. |
| 14:02.30 | cpufreak | as its on data. |
| 14:02.37 | cpufreak | and roaming data is insanely expensive. |
| 14:02.42 | jason_ukfsn | I can use skype out and about but I'd rather use VoIP. |
| 14:02.53 | Armand | Oh, for sure.. but we don't go over-seas anyway. :P |
| 14:02.55 | cpufreak | it's more expensive than just dialing the number. |
| 14:02.57 | cpufreak | I do, all the time |
| 14:03.00 | Armand | And, I'd just take the laptop. :) |
| 14:03.23 | cpufreak | I was just pointing out that jason_ukfsn's sweeping statement was silly |
| 14:03.55 | morsing | cpufreak: I think he was talking about being at your home address ringing abroad |
| 14:04.12 | jason_ukfsn | morsing, you are right. |
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| 14:04.43 | jason_ukfsn | I would however add that in most cases using the standard tariff of a mobile provider is even worse. |
| 14:05.16 | jason_ukfsn | Note that I am referring to the standard tariff. If you have an international dialling plan it may be a good enough bargain to just dial direct. |
| 14:06.12 | jason_ukfsn | anyway, I'm often silly. It's my one redeeming feature |
| 14:06.14 | Armand | thankfully.. it's not an issue I've ever had to worry about. |
| 14:15.01 | jason_ukfsn | You've not had to worry about my silliness? You've really missed out then ;) |
| 14:15.08 | Armand | Indeedy.. |
| 14:15.18 | Armand | :P |
| 14:15.37 | Armand | I gotta go.. the missus wants to buy me some shorts for swimming this weekend. :( |
| 14:17.08 | cpufreak | morsing: well then he should have said it. |
| 14:17.09 | jason_ukfsn | I was going to tell him he should want his wife wearing something better than shorts |
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| 17:44.15 | morsing | cpufreak: Idiot |
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| 19:11.49 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
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