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05:26.40morsingLeeds!
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07:29.00ChoHagThe centos base install is full of shit.
07:29.16ChoHagIncluding gtk.
07:29.45ChoHagNo X, but lots of X libraries including gtk.
07:29.53ChoHagWhat the fuck's the point in that?
07:30.28Leedspresumably you mean the rhel base?
07:30.47ChoHagWell yes, because they're the same.
07:30.58ChoHagI installed centos, though, not rhel.
08:33.40z00daxChoHag: in this case, I'm going to say you dont really have a clue as to what you're doing ?
08:33.55z00daxhave you considered moving jobs to something less challenging ? perhaps gardening might be your calling!
08:51.34halibase is not core
08:51.49haliand centos is not archlinux
08:52.01Leedsbut... you must remember this
08:52.17Leedsa kiss *is* just a kiss
08:52.40Leedsor possibly still a kiss :)
08:53.46morsingBeer
08:54.43Leedsstill slightly early for beer
09:02.57morsingIs it too early for a root canal?
09:03.24Leedsno
09:03.45morsingGood, because he's starting in 10 minutes...
09:51.49morsingWell, that was quick and painless!
09:52.10wethrindid you get an anaesthetic?
09:55.33Leedsor at least some porn to watch?
09:59.49mindbendrgetting a root canal while IRCing?
10:00.01mindbendryou must be a geek
10:01.09morsingHe gave me the injection, then sent me to the waiting room for ten minutes for it to kick in, which is when I IRC'd
10:01.26mindbendrah you are a geek then.
10:01.34morsingThe treatment itself took less then 5 minutes
10:01.46morsingStill can't speak properly, not that I ever did
10:02.19mindbendri'll get my wisdom teeth taken out, not looking forward to it
10:03.15LeedsI had a couple out last year, was really not a big deal, apart from quite a lot of blood flow
10:04.07mindbendrthey stitch them (the gums) up afterwards, don't they?
10:04.29mindbendrI can't imagine how I'm gonna keep my mouth open that long while the doc is trying to brute force into my mouth.
10:04.53Leedsdon't think so, no - he just shoved some wads of gauze in
10:05.39mindbendrah yours was an easy one then, sometimes they cut the gum to take it out so the stitching
10:06.30Leedsa good dentist - both teeth were pretty rotten, one pretty much gone down to the gum... he dosed me up, stuck his pliers in, and got pulling :)
10:07.27mindbendrwas it in a hospital?
10:07.53mindbendrthe doc referred me to an nhs hospital, thought it could be done in his clinic
10:08.23bilarhfuck that shit
10:08.36bilarhif i'm having my wisdom teeth taken out, i'm going under general
10:08.46mindbendris it up to you to decide then
10:08.48Leedsnah, this was just in a private practice
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10:09.05Leedswhere, BTW, I paid retail - about 500 quid for the pair
10:09.17wiredfutureman'evening all :)
10:09.25mindbendrwell i went to this private dentist to get it checked but he put me on nhs hospital straight away without asking
10:09.34bilarhleeds: bargain :S my colleague has just had 2k's worth of dental work and he's looking at antoher 2k
10:10.03mindbendrnot that i wanna pay 500 quid
10:10.32Leedsbilarh: I've got no idea what sort of dental service the government provide here, and I'm not sure I'd like to find out :)
10:10.50bilarhi'm guessing it involves a piece of string and a door :S
10:11.35mindbendris happy that will find what sort of quality soon for the first time
10:12.14mindbendrand then i can have a prospect of health expenses in my budget in the future
10:12.46Leedsthings are more balanced here... in general, if you go and see a doctor, you pay maybe 20-30 quid for a consultation and simple/standard medicine... if you go to a government hospital you pay a nominal no-timewasters fee
10:13.09bilarhleeds: are you allowed in a govt hospital, though?
10:13.15Leedssure, I'm a resident
10:13.20bilarhah ok
10:13.30bilarhHK is supposed to have decent health care actually, isn't it
10:13.34Leedsyup
10:13.54mindbendrLeeds: whereabouts?
10:14.02bilarhin all the lonely planet guide books for the far east it says "if you catch an illness and need a hospital, GTFO quick and go to HK"
10:14.05Leedsmindbendr: as bilarh said, Hong Kong
10:14.08mindbendrah
10:14.34mindbendrhave you learnt the language then?
10:14.38LeedsI think the government stuff is decent, although there can be quite long waits, and the private stuff is pretty good, and relatively affordable
10:14.42Leedsyes, I speak fluent English
10:14.56mindbendri thought you are british
10:15.01LeedsI am
10:15.04mindbendrso chinese?
10:15.20Leedsno?
10:15.39mindbendrmy question was whether have you learnt chinese as you live in HK or not :)
10:17.03LeedsI speak one of HK's two official (with one other semi-official) languages :P
10:17.14mindbendrah i didn't know that :)
10:20.42Leedsnah, I've picked up a few words of Cantonese, can read a few, but nothing like fluent - the gf is quite unhappy about that
10:22.19mindbendrhow long have you been living there?
10:22.39mindbendrCantonese must be really tough
10:26.12bilarhajaxterm ftw
10:27.14bilarhhttp://antony.lesuisse.org/software/ajaxterm/
10:27.18bilarhshell over http(s)
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10:38.43z00daxhumm.. I am not looking forward to my dentist appointment next week
10:38.58z00daxbit of a strange guy he is - uses gentoo
10:39.37mindbendrlol
10:40.08mindbendrif he's that determined then he must be good at his job
10:40.19mindbendrif he doesn't spend his time on compiling rather than doctoring though
10:40.48wethrinno, no. Watching the compiler scroll by is just like being a movie hacker
10:40.51wethrinIT R AWSUM
10:41.03z00daxhe's fairly good. Although he's a bit keen on major surgery for almost anything and everything
10:41.07bilarhyou laugh at gentoo, but the day before yesterday i actually managed to solve a production issue on a remote site because i'd been playing around with gentoo and their installation method :)
10:41.52wethrinno, bilarh. The issue would've been they're using Gentoo in production
10:41.52mindbendrslackware has been torture enough to solve weird production issues on some other systems
10:41.54wethrinthis is Silly
10:42.05mindbendrwouldn't go down that gentoo far
10:42.38bilarhwethrin: what do you mean?
10:42.42bilarhwethrin: this is a redhat / centos box
10:43.02wethrinoh
10:43.16morsingis desperate for a coffee!
10:43.18wethrinIt sounded like you fixed a produciton Gentoo box
10:43.20wethrinI have coffee!
10:43.31morsingI have coffee too but can't drink it :'(
10:43.32z00daxbtw, when is the next meeting ?
10:43.49morsingtakes a sip and dribbles is all over his clothes...
10:43.53z00daxi have water, and lots of memory here on my table. 256GB and a glass full
10:44.00bilarhwethrin: essentially, it was upgraded back in the day from rhel47 to centos 52... the centos 52 was "broken" (incorrect kernel etc), but it was luckily installed on a usb key... because of playing around with gentoo and grub + chroot's etc, i managed to get the box booting redhat again
10:44.08bilarhwethrin: one go only, as it's a remote box :)
10:44.13z00daxmorsing: record yourself, post on youtube, get rick!
10:44.16z00daxrich even
10:44.29wethrinz00dax: it was yesterday
10:44.41mindbendrbilarh: that's not gentoo's favour, i could do the same and i haven't ever used gentoo :p
10:45.12bilarhmidnbendr: yes, but my point is that if it wasn't for gentoo i would have likely never played around with grub and chroots etc at that level
10:45.13z00daxwethrin: ah yes, wonder how that went
10:45.42wethrinpass. You'll have to ask Ciaran
10:45.43z00daxbilarh: you could have also just run the centos installer in 'rescue' mode and done fluff
10:45.57mindbendrbilarh: ah I use centos on a daily basis and i get to play with those stuff a lot :) to be fair, centos/redhat's recovery option on the cd is very good along with nice tools like "lvm"
10:46.30mindbendrthough it took a few months for me to find that how to manage LVM from the rescue mode
10:46.45mindbendrthey have put every lvm binary into single lvm binary, turned out
10:47.19mindbendrz00dax: btw where's my centos update RSS? :D
10:48.04z00daxmindbendr: yum install yum-utils; /usr/bin/repo-rss :)
10:48.10mindbendri still have some redhat9, FC3 servers here, they are fun
10:48.18z00daxthat should give yo most of what one needs.
10:48.19mindbendrz00dax: thanks!
10:48.28z00daxbut there is no cross referencing amongst packages :/
10:48.39mindbendrz00dax: what do you mean
10:48.50mindbendrz00dax: all i need is ERRATA information
10:48.53z00daxI tried doing that, after about 200 lines of python gave it up as a bad joke. that bit needs a bit more thought
10:49.06mindbendrz00dax: for integrating it into spacewalk rather than bulk mail archives, would that work?
10:49.12z00daxmindbendr: ah in that case, what you can do is use the repo-rss script to pull down info from the updates/ repo only
10:49.24mindbendrah good.
10:49.26z00daxyea, that would be a lot better than trying to parse mail's
10:49.41z00daxactually, let me check something
10:50.16z00daxmindbendr: so you will need to use repo-rss -r <days>
10:52.12mindbendrz00dax: seems it's been installed on centos 5.4 already
10:52.44mindbendrbtw when I run repo-rss -r 10
10:52.50z00daxit comes from the yum-utils package, also even if you are not using 5.5/ as yet, I highly recommend you atleast grab the newer yum-* packages from 5.5
10:52.50mindbendrit failed
10:52.58mindbendr(1 and 3 worked)
10:53.01mindbendrseems like a bug
10:53.08mindbendrUnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc5 in position 33: ordinal not in range(128)
10:53.11bilarhz00daX & mindbendr: how? it was a remote box so i have no access to console without taking a flight up to aberdeen
10:53.20mindbendrbilarh: network booting
10:53.39mindbendrbilarh: and KVM of course :D
10:54.31mindbendrbilarh: ie,  i've set up a PXE in the datacentre for booting into centos rescue
11:00.07bilarhah interesting, might be worth looking into
11:00.18bilarhrequires someone to press f12 :)
11:00.23bilarhbut apart from that, good :)
11:01.49mindbendrbilarh: yeah unless you have a KVM :)
11:02.33z00daxbilarh: could you / were you able to boot the machine to a filesystem that had +rw ?
11:02.51z00daxif so. you can just use the pxe images, hardwire them into grub or lilo and reboot the machine into the installer's rescue image
11:02.55mindbendrbilarh: also if you use virtualisation, you wouldn't worry about accesing to the production server like that, you'd access to the host machine and dig into the VM
11:03.26bilarhz00dax: hrm.. that's pretty interesting
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11:03.38bilarhthis is an nfs server, so no kvm will ever be on there
11:03.46bilarh"approved configuration" nightmare
11:03.55dick_turpinAfternoon all
11:04.03z00daxkvm as in keyboard/video/mouse ?
11:04.05mindbendrz00dax: wiring them into grub would require a nic driver to be loaded?
11:04.09z00daxor kvm as in the kernel-vm
11:04.17mindbendrz00dax: yes kvm as in remote keyboard/video
11:04.29z00daxmindbendr: depends on where you want the stage2 or rescue image to come from.
11:04.51z00daxmindbendr: I've used the swap area to store those in the past. so no network needed
11:05.05mindbendrz00dax: did you see my comment about repo-rss, it fails when you set the day to 10
11:05.18z00daxmindbendr: I was wondering why bilarh associates nfs with remote console
11:06.30mindbendrbilarh: these kvm hardware (remote keyb/mouse) are cheap stuff to buy
11:07.16bilarhoh sorry i thought you were talking about virtualisation and kvm :P
11:07.17morsingBeer
11:07.23bilarhdamn acronyms
11:07.32morsingBeer isn't an acronym
11:07.45bilarhi've suggested we hook up the drac cards that we have bought but don't use in remote sites :P
11:08.00z00daxbilarh: good plan, since you have them - might as well use them
11:08.15z00daxmindbendr: i wonder if its hitting a unicode issue with  cjk content
11:08.19mindbendrz00dax: http://pastebin.centos.org/33758
11:08.31z00daxor something like that. mindbendr can you go back like 20 days or even 150 days
11:09.15mindbendrz00dax: doesn't let me more than 4
11:09.22mindbendrincluding 4 actually
11:09.33mindbendrso no more days than the default 3
11:10.02mindbendrlunch
11:10.40z00daxmindbendr: will you file a bugreport at bugs.centos.org ?
11:11.26mindbendrz00dax: sure
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11:42.34mindbendrmy company will be hiring a linux sysadmin soon, 35K salary if anyone is interested let me know. the location is near Uxbridge, ub8
11:43.04cpufreakseems a bit low
11:43.16mindbendrcpufreak: not looking for a senior
11:43.40mindbendrcpufreak: what would be the appropriate salary?
11:43.55cpufreakdepends how many years experience you want
11:44.39cpufreakfor someone with no experience, but some aptitude, I'd say 35K is about right... for someone with 3-4 years experience, who knows what they're doing... 40-45K, and for a senior.. 55K+
11:45.19dick_turpinI should apply then :-)
11:45.48wethrinthat's nicely inflated London salaries :)
11:45.54mindbendrcpufreak: yes, so it'd be some aptitude with knowing what you're doing would be what we're looking for :)
11:46.11AndyMillarmindbendr: *potential* aptitude, but no experience to prove it :)
11:46.31cpufreakwethrin: not really.. one needs to pay the mortgage some how.
11:47.01mindbendrAndyMillar: well if it's not possible to put a person in charge on the live systems without no experience.. it doesn't make sense, we're not looking for an intern :D
11:47.26wethrincpufreak: That's nicely inflated London house prices :)
11:47.40AndyMillarand transport prices :)
11:48.06AndyMillarand rent prices, and food prices, and drink prices
11:48.07mindbendrI've been looking for studio flats in the Uxbridge area and it's around 750-800 quid
11:48.14AndyMillarand, oh, everything prices :)
11:48.40AndyMillarthat's a cheap area :)
11:48.42mindbendryet my flatmate as a police officer earns around 30-35K and still manages to pay the mortgage in london
11:48.42wethrinliving up north++
11:48.57cpufreakpolicemen get loads of expenses, and free travel on the tubes innit
11:49.18mindbendrcpufreak: free tube but he drives cos of the inappropriate shifts
11:49.36mindbendrcpufreak: no loads of expenses afaik, and also pays some kinda police pension
11:49.58dick_turpinThat'll be all the 'look the other way' money ;-)
11:50.04mindbendrlol
12:12.06dick_turpinhttp://phandroid.com/2010/06/30/nsfw-iphone-4-vs-htc-evo-4g-i-dont-care/ (You need sound, has some swear words near the end) I think its funny at any rate
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12:28.06mindbendrdick_turpin: reverse video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac
12:31.21dick_turpinlol
12:32.26morsingmindbendr: Where's flopsie?
12:33.50bilarhflopsie wopsie the wabbit killer? :S
12:34.40mindbendrmorsing: a place where the sun doesn't shine
12:35.06mindbendrmorsing: still drugged?
14:12.33morsingBeer
14:12.44morsingbilarh: Where's Blapto?
14:15.13bilarhhe's gone home
14:20.53wiredfuturemanmmm beer
14:21.05wiredfuturemanis it friday yet?
14:21.14z00daxwiredfutureman: just about
14:21.31wiredfutureman*happiness*
14:23.28wiredfuturemanwish I hadn't used option -c while executing mkfs on a 1.5TB hdd! oh well...
14:23.46bilarhstart again? :S
14:26.09wiredfuturemannah, already 7.78% done
14:26.38wiredfuturemanok, you twisted my arm - ^c
14:26.49bilarhhehe
14:27.00wiredfuturemancan't wait to play with his new greyhole
14:27.35wiredfuturemanoops, that sounds a bit ... odd? anyway, file server testing w/ greyhole this weekend :)
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15:19.19mindbendrwiredfutureman: why test a file server in the weekend. testing is not a job for the weekends, it always goes wrong.
15:20.17wiredfuturemanwell, it's for my new one at home
15:20.34mindbendryou keep fileservers at home!?
15:20.38mindbendrthat's mad.
15:20.43mindbendri don't even use linux at home
15:22.41wiredfuturemanhome/office
15:22.49wiredfuturemanyou don't use linux in your home?
15:22.57mindbendrsure not
15:23.00wiredfuturemanhow do make coffee?
15:23.04mindbendri don't
15:23.07mindbendri buy it from nero
15:23.09wiredfuturemano.O
15:23.13wiredfuturemansay what?
15:23.41wiredfuturemanthis is crazy talk! no linux, no coffee, ... no file server. are you even real? :s
15:24.35mindbendrhaving linux installed at home would be like working in the weekends
15:24.55wiredfuturemanwork=fun... for me most of the time anyway :)
15:24.57mindbendrthe same thing applies for the coffee as well
15:25.57wiredfuturemancoffee=tea in my case, unless I'm working too hard / too early / late
15:26.08wiredfuturemanwhat do you do for fun at home?
15:26.35mindbendrpr0n?
15:26.48mindbendri use team fotress 2 nowadays though
15:26.52mindbendrnot use/ play
15:27.12mindbendri was going to say something else lol
15:28.20wiredfuturemanlol
15:28.24wiredfutureman:)
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16:46.33morsinglondo_!
16:46.36morsingwiredfutureman!
16:47.18wiredfuturemanmorsing!
16:47.29wiredfuturemanhowsit?
16:49.40morsinggreat :)
16:50.03morsingwiredfutureman: Just got this: http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Kitten/kitten2_PP.jpg
16:50.16wiredfuturemancute!
16:50.32wiredfuturemannice one :)
16:50.37morsing:)
16:50.50mindbendrmorsing: what do you call it?
16:51.02morsingPixel
16:51.05mindbendrlol
16:51.11wiredfuturemansweet
16:51.11morsing:)
16:51.25morsingNot that names work well with cats
16:51.48mindbendrmorsing: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs14/f/2007/116/e/b/yoyo_by_lordofreflection.jpg
16:51.58morsing:)
16:52.03mindbendrit's called yoyo :)
16:52.07morsing:))
16:52.23mindbendrbut i think pixel is the second best name after yoyo
16:52.44wiredfuturemanpcxel is cool. yoyo makes sense for small, jumpy dogs :)
16:52.55mindbendri'm all about making sense.
16:53.51mindbendrbest time of the day. the time i'm closing my terminal sessions.
16:53.57mindbendrso have a good weekend people.
16:54.11morsingHave fun!
16:55.13wiredfuturemanenjoy TF2
16:55.19mindbendrcheers :)
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17:57.30wiredfuturemanl8rs all weekend has landed!
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18:37.10AndyMillarmorsing: that is cute
18:37.14AndyMillar( morsing! )
18:38.49ArmandHi all. :)
18:43.25AndyMillarevenin
18:45.32Armandis a Certified Geek. :D
18:45.35Armand\o/
18:49.12AndyMillarcongrats :)
18:49.13AndyMillarhowso?
18:49.48ArmandI passed both exams for the CompTIA A+ today..
18:50.10boudiccaswhats a 'CompTIA'?
18:51.13Armandwww.comptia.org
18:51.15boudiccasis it a computer transient ischaemic attack?
18:51.23DiscordianUKA+ is the computer hardware exam
18:51.53Armandit's my first step on the IT Support course. :)
18:52.02ArmandI'm starting the MCP on Monday.
18:53.06ArmandI think I did quite well on the exams.. out of a maximum score of 900, I got 846 and 847.
18:54.14AndyMillar:)
18:54.17boudiccasthats pretty impressive!
18:54.31AndyMillartheir site uses flash
18:54.32ArmandI forget how to work out percentages.. :(
18:54.35AndyMillarand therefore is useless
18:54.43ArmandAndyMillar: Noticed.. >_<
18:55.03AndyMillar94% in the first
18:55.09ArmandIt looks like shit when NoScript blocks most of the content. :P
18:55.12AndyMillarand 94% in the second
18:55.19ArmandThank you. :)
18:55.26AndyMillar<PROTECTED>
18:55.28ArmandThat's better than my mock. :P
18:55.36ArmandAhh..
18:55.45ArmandI'll have to make a note of that. ;)
18:56.17AndyMillarusing exec with bc and echo under irssi to calculate percentages will be part of that 6% you got wrong? ;)
18:56.36ArmandNah.. it's MS-based. :P
18:56.49AndyMillaroh, fail course then
18:56.53Armandlol
18:56.58AndyMillarsurely you should get 100% then
18:57.06AndyMillarwith ever answer being "retry, restart, reinstall"?
18:57.18ArmandWell, I dropped a few points because of gaps in my knowledge..
18:57.28ArmandI'm sure I'll do better when I retake in a few years time.
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22:34.56MohanArmand: Congrats!

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