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05:26.40 | morsing | Leeds! |
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07:29.00 | ChoHag | The centos base install is full of shit. |
07:29.16 | ChoHag | Including gtk. |
07:29.45 | ChoHag | No X, but lots of X libraries including gtk. |
07:29.53 | ChoHag | What the fuck's the point in that? |
07:30.28 | Leeds | presumably you mean the rhel base? |
07:30.47 | ChoHag | Well yes, because they're the same. |
07:30.58 | ChoHag | I installed centos, though, not rhel. |
08:33.40 | z00dax | ChoHag: in this case, I'm going to say you dont really have a clue as to what you're doing ? |
08:33.55 | z00dax | have you considered moving jobs to something less challenging ? perhaps gardening might be your calling! |
08:51.34 | hali | base is not core |
08:51.49 | hali | and centos is not archlinux |
08:52.01 | Leeds | but... you must remember this |
08:52.17 | Leeds | a kiss *is* just a kiss |
08:52.40 | Leeds | or possibly still a kiss :) |
08:53.46 | morsing | Beer |
08:54.43 | Leeds | still slightly early for beer |
09:02.57 | morsing | Is it too early for a root canal? |
09:03.24 | Leeds | no |
09:03.45 | morsing | Good, because he's starting in 10 minutes... |
09:51.49 | morsing | Well, that was quick and painless! |
09:52.10 | wethrin | did you get an anaesthetic? |
09:55.33 | Leeds | or at least some porn to watch? |
09:59.49 | mindbendr | getting a root canal while IRCing? |
10:00.01 | mindbendr | you must be a geek |
10:01.09 | morsing | He gave me the injection, then sent me to the waiting room for ten minutes for it to kick in, which is when I IRC'd |
10:01.26 | mindbendr | ah you are a geek then. |
10:01.34 | morsing | The treatment itself took less then 5 minutes |
10:01.46 | morsing | Still can't speak properly, not that I ever did |
10:02.19 | mindbendr | i'll get my wisdom teeth taken out, not looking forward to it |
10:03.15 | Leeds | I had a couple out last year, was really not a big deal, apart from quite a lot of blood flow |
10:04.07 | mindbendr | they stitch them (the gums) up afterwards, don't they? |
10:04.29 | mindbendr | I can't imagine how I'm gonna keep my mouth open that long while the doc is trying to brute force into my mouth. |
10:04.53 | Leeds | don't think so, no - he just shoved some wads of gauze in |
10:05.39 | mindbendr | ah yours was an easy one then, sometimes they cut the gum to take it out so the stitching |
10:06.30 | Leeds | a good dentist - both teeth were pretty rotten, one pretty much gone down to the gum... he dosed me up, stuck his pliers in, and got pulling :) |
10:07.27 | mindbendr | was it in a hospital? |
10:07.53 | mindbendr | the doc referred me to an nhs hospital, thought it could be done in his clinic |
10:08.23 | bilarh | fuck that shit |
10:08.36 | bilarh | if i'm having my wisdom teeth taken out, i'm going under general |
10:08.46 | mindbendr | is it up to you to decide then |
10:08.48 | Leeds | nah, this was just in a private practice |
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10:09.05 | Leeds | where, BTW, I paid retail - about 500 quid for the pair |
10:09.17 | wiredfutureman | 'evening all :) |
10:09.25 | mindbendr | well i went to this private dentist to get it checked but he put me on nhs hospital straight away without asking |
10:09.34 | bilarh | leeds: bargain :S my colleague has just had 2k's worth of dental work and he's looking at antoher 2k |
10:10.03 | mindbendr | not that i wanna pay 500 quid |
10:10.32 | Leeds | bilarh: I've got no idea what sort of dental service the government provide here, and I'm not sure I'd like to find out :) |
10:10.50 | bilarh | i'm guessing it involves a piece of string and a door :S |
10:11.35 | mindbendr | is happy that will find what sort of quality soon for the first time |
10:12.14 | mindbendr | and then i can have a prospect of health expenses in my budget in the future |
10:12.46 | Leeds | things are more balanced here... in general, if you go and see a doctor, you pay maybe 20-30 quid for a consultation and simple/standard medicine... if you go to a government hospital you pay a nominal no-timewasters fee |
10:13.09 | bilarh | leeds: are you allowed in a govt hospital, though? |
10:13.15 | Leeds | sure, I'm a resident |
10:13.20 | bilarh | ah ok |
10:13.30 | bilarh | HK is supposed to have decent health care actually, isn't it |
10:13.34 | Leeds | yup |
10:13.54 | mindbendr | Leeds: whereabouts? |
10:14.02 | bilarh | in all the lonely planet guide books for the far east it says "if you catch an illness and need a hospital, GTFO quick and go to HK" |
10:14.05 | Leeds | mindbendr: as bilarh said, Hong Kong |
10:14.08 | mindbendr | ah |
10:14.34 | mindbendr | have you learnt the language then? |
10:14.38 | Leeds | I think the government stuff is decent, although there can be quite long waits, and the private stuff is pretty good, and relatively affordable |
10:14.42 | Leeds | yes, I speak fluent English |
10:14.56 | mindbendr | i thought you are british |
10:15.01 | Leeds | I am |
10:15.04 | mindbendr | so chinese? |
10:15.20 | Leeds | no? |
10:15.39 | mindbendr | my question was whether have you learnt chinese as you live in HK or not :) |
10:17.03 | Leeds | I speak one of HK's two official (with one other semi-official) languages :P |
10:17.14 | mindbendr | ah i didn't know that :) |
10:20.42 | Leeds | nah, I've picked up a few words of Cantonese, can read a few, but nothing like fluent - the gf is quite unhappy about that |
10:22.19 | mindbendr | how long have you been living there? |
10:22.39 | mindbendr | Cantonese must be really tough |
10:26.12 | bilarh | ajaxterm ftw |
10:27.14 | bilarh | http://antony.lesuisse.org/software/ajaxterm/ |
10:27.18 | bilarh | shell over http(s) |
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10:38.43 | z00dax | humm.. I am not looking forward to my dentist appointment next week |
10:38.58 | z00dax | bit of a strange guy he is - uses gentoo |
10:39.37 | mindbendr | lol |
10:40.08 | mindbendr | if he's that determined then he must be good at his job |
10:40.19 | mindbendr | if he doesn't spend his time on compiling rather than doctoring though |
10:40.48 | wethrin | no, no. Watching the compiler scroll by is just like being a movie hacker |
10:40.51 | wethrin | IT R AWSUM |
10:41.03 | z00dax | he's fairly good. Although he's a bit keen on major surgery for almost anything and everything |
10:41.07 | bilarh | you laugh at gentoo, but the day before yesterday i actually managed to solve a production issue on a remote site because i'd been playing around with gentoo and their installation method :) |
10:41.52 | wethrin | no, bilarh. The issue would've been they're using Gentoo in production |
10:41.52 | mindbendr | slackware has been torture enough to solve weird production issues on some other systems |
10:41.54 | wethrin | this is Silly |
10:42.05 | mindbendr | wouldn't go down that gentoo far |
10:42.38 | bilarh | wethrin: what do you mean? |
10:42.42 | bilarh | wethrin: this is a redhat / centos box |
10:43.02 | wethrin | oh |
10:43.16 | morsing | is desperate for a coffee! |
10:43.18 | wethrin | It sounded like you fixed a produciton Gentoo box |
10:43.20 | wethrin | I have coffee! |
10:43.31 | morsing | I have coffee too but can't drink it :'( |
10:43.32 | z00dax | btw, when is the next meeting ? |
10:43.49 | morsing | takes a sip and dribbles is all over his clothes... |
10:43.53 | z00dax | i have water, and lots of memory here on my table. 256GB and a glass full |
10:44.00 | bilarh | wethrin: essentially, it was upgraded back in the day from rhel47 to centos 52... the centos 52 was "broken" (incorrect kernel etc), but it was luckily installed on a usb key... because of playing around with gentoo and grub + chroot's etc, i managed to get the box booting redhat again |
10:44.08 | bilarh | wethrin: one go only, as it's a remote box :) |
10:44.13 | z00dax | morsing: record yourself, post on youtube, get rick! |
10:44.16 | z00dax | rich even |
10:44.29 | wethrin | z00dax: it was yesterday |
10:44.41 | mindbendr | bilarh: that's not gentoo's favour, i could do the same and i haven't ever used gentoo :p |
10:45.12 | bilarh | midnbendr: yes, but my point is that if it wasn't for gentoo i would have likely never played around with grub and chroots etc at that level |
10:45.13 | z00dax | wethrin: ah yes, wonder how that went |
10:45.42 | wethrin | pass. You'll have to ask Ciaran |
10:45.43 | z00dax | bilarh: you could have also just run the centos installer in 'rescue' mode and done fluff |
10:45.57 | mindbendr | bilarh: ah I use centos on a daily basis and i get to play with those stuff a lot :) to be fair, centos/redhat's recovery option on the cd is very good along with nice tools like "lvm" |
10:46.30 | mindbendr | though it took a few months for me to find that how to manage LVM from the rescue mode |
10:46.45 | mindbendr | they have put every lvm binary into single lvm binary, turned out |
10:47.19 | mindbendr | z00dax: btw where's my centos update RSS? :D |
10:48.04 | z00dax | mindbendr: yum install yum-utils; /usr/bin/repo-rss :) |
10:48.10 | mindbendr | i still have some redhat9, FC3 servers here, they are fun |
10:48.18 | z00dax | that should give yo most of what one needs. |
10:48.19 | mindbendr | z00dax: thanks! |
10:48.28 | z00dax | but there is no cross referencing amongst packages :/ |
10:48.39 | mindbendr | z00dax: what do you mean |
10:48.50 | mindbendr | z00dax: all i need is ERRATA information |
10:48.53 | z00dax | I tried doing that, after about 200 lines of python gave it up as a bad joke. that bit needs a bit more thought |
10:49.06 | mindbendr | z00dax: for integrating it into spacewalk rather than bulk mail archives, would that work? |
10:49.12 | z00dax | mindbendr: ah in that case, what you can do is use the repo-rss script to pull down info from the updates/ repo only |
10:49.24 | mindbendr | ah good. |
10:49.26 | z00dax | yea, that would be a lot better than trying to parse mail's |
10:49.41 | z00dax | actually, let me check something |
10:50.16 | z00dax | mindbendr: so you will need to use repo-rss -r <days> |
10:52.12 | mindbendr | z00dax: seems it's been installed on centos 5.4 already |
10:52.44 | mindbendr | btw when I run repo-rss -r 10 |
10:52.50 | z00dax | it comes from the yum-utils package, also even if you are not using 5.5/ as yet, I highly recommend you atleast grab the newer yum-* packages from 5.5 |
10:52.50 | mindbendr | it failed |
10:52.58 | mindbendr | (1 and 3 worked) |
10:53.01 | mindbendr | seems like a bug |
10:53.08 | mindbendr | UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc5 in position 33: ordinal not in range(128) |
10:53.11 | bilarh | z00daX & mindbendr: how? it was a remote box so i have no access to console without taking a flight up to aberdeen |
10:53.20 | mindbendr | bilarh: network booting |
10:53.39 | mindbendr | bilarh: and KVM of course :D |
10:54.31 | mindbendr | bilarh: ie, i've set up a PXE in the datacentre for booting into centos rescue |
11:00.07 | bilarh | ah interesting, might be worth looking into |
11:00.18 | bilarh | requires someone to press f12 :) |
11:00.23 | bilarh | but apart from that, good :) |
11:01.49 | mindbendr | bilarh: yeah unless you have a KVM :) |
11:02.33 | z00dax | bilarh: could you / were you able to boot the machine to a filesystem that had +rw ? |
11:02.51 | z00dax | if so. you can just use the pxe images, hardwire them into grub or lilo and reboot the machine into the installer's rescue image |
11:02.55 | mindbendr | bilarh: also if you use virtualisation, you wouldn't worry about accesing to the production server like that, you'd access to the host machine and dig into the VM |
11:03.26 | bilarh | z00dax: hrm.. that's pretty interesting |
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11:03.38 | bilarh | this is an nfs server, so no kvm will ever be on there |
11:03.46 | bilarh | "approved configuration" nightmare |
11:03.55 | dick_turpin | Afternoon all |
11:04.03 | z00dax | kvm as in keyboard/video/mouse ? |
11:04.05 | mindbendr | z00dax: wiring them into grub would require a nic driver to be loaded? |
11:04.09 | z00dax | or kvm as in the kernel-vm |
11:04.17 | mindbendr | z00dax: yes kvm as in remote keyboard/video |
11:04.29 | z00dax | mindbendr: depends on where you want the stage2 or rescue image to come from. |
11:04.51 | z00dax | mindbendr: I've used the swap area to store those in the past. so no network needed |
11:05.05 | mindbendr | z00dax: did you see my comment about repo-rss, it fails when you set the day to 10 |
11:05.18 | z00dax | mindbendr: I was wondering why bilarh associates nfs with remote console |
11:06.30 | mindbendr | bilarh: these kvm hardware (remote keyb/mouse) are cheap stuff to buy |
11:07.16 | bilarh | oh sorry i thought you were talking about virtualisation and kvm :P |
11:07.17 | morsing | Beer |
11:07.23 | bilarh | damn acronyms |
11:07.32 | morsing | Beer isn't an acronym |
11:07.45 | bilarh | i've suggested we hook up the drac cards that we have bought but don't use in remote sites :P |
11:08.00 | z00dax | bilarh: good plan, since you have them - might as well use them |
11:08.15 | z00dax | mindbendr: i wonder if its hitting a unicode issue with cjk content |
11:08.19 | mindbendr | z00dax: http://pastebin.centos.org/33758 |
11:08.31 | z00dax | or something like that. mindbendr can you go back like 20 days or even 150 days |
11:09.15 | mindbendr | z00dax: doesn't let me more than 4 |
11:09.22 | mindbendr | including 4 actually |
11:09.33 | mindbendr | so no more days than the default 3 |
11:10.02 | mindbendr | lunch |
11:10.40 | z00dax | mindbendr: will you file a bugreport at bugs.centos.org ? |
11:11.26 | mindbendr | z00dax: sure |
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11:42.34 | mindbendr | my company will be hiring a linux sysadmin soon, 35K salary if anyone is interested let me know. the location is near Uxbridge, ub8 |
11:43.04 | cpufreak | seems a bit low |
11:43.16 | mindbendr | cpufreak: not looking for a senior |
11:43.40 | mindbendr | cpufreak: what would be the appropriate salary? |
11:43.55 | cpufreak | depends how many years experience you want |
11:44.39 | cpufreak | for someone with no experience, but some aptitude, I'd say 35K is about right... for someone with 3-4 years experience, who knows what they're doing... 40-45K, and for a senior.. 55K+ |
11:45.19 | dick_turpin | I should apply then :-) |
11:45.48 | wethrin | that's nicely inflated London salaries :) |
11:45.54 | mindbendr | cpufreak: yes, so it'd be some aptitude with knowing what you're doing would be what we're looking for :) |
11:46.11 | AndyMillar | mindbendr: *potential* aptitude, but no experience to prove it :) |
11:46.31 | cpufreak | wethrin: not really.. one needs to pay the mortgage some how. |
11:47.01 | mindbendr | AndyMillar: well if it's not possible to put a person in charge on the live systems without no experience.. it doesn't make sense, we're not looking for an intern :D |
11:47.26 | wethrin | cpufreak: That's nicely inflated London house prices :) |
11:47.40 | AndyMillar | and transport prices :) |
11:48.06 | AndyMillar | and rent prices, and food prices, and drink prices |
11:48.07 | mindbendr | I've been looking for studio flats in the Uxbridge area and it's around 750-800 quid |
11:48.14 | AndyMillar | and, oh, everything prices :) |
11:48.40 | AndyMillar | that's a cheap area :) |
11:48.42 | mindbendr | yet my flatmate as a police officer earns around 30-35K and still manages to pay the mortgage in london |
11:48.42 | wethrin | living up north++ |
11:48.57 | cpufreak | policemen get loads of expenses, and free travel on the tubes innit |
11:49.18 | mindbendr | cpufreak: free tube but he drives cos of the inappropriate shifts |
11:49.36 | mindbendr | cpufreak: no loads of expenses afaik, and also pays some kinda police pension |
11:49.58 | dick_turpin | That'll be all the 'look the other way' money ;-) |
11:50.04 | mindbendr | lol |
12:12.06 | dick_turpin | http://phandroid.com/2010/06/30/nsfw-iphone-4-vs-htc-evo-4g-i-dont-care/ (You need sound, has some swear words near the end) I think its funny at any rate |
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12:28.06 | mindbendr | dick_turpin: reverse video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac |
12:31.21 | dick_turpin | lol |
12:32.26 | morsing | mindbendr: Where's flopsie? |
12:33.50 | bilarh | flopsie wopsie the wabbit killer? :S |
12:34.40 | mindbendr | morsing: a place where the sun doesn't shine |
12:35.06 | mindbendr | morsing: still drugged? |
14:12.33 | morsing | Beer |
14:12.44 | morsing | bilarh: Where's Blapto? |
14:15.13 | bilarh | he's gone home |
14:20.53 | wiredfutureman | mmm beer |
14:21.05 | wiredfutureman | is it friday yet? |
14:21.14 | z00dax | wiredfutureman: just about |
14:21.31 | wiredfutureman | *happiness* |
14:23.28 | wiredfutureman | wish I hadn't used option -c while executing mkfs on a 1.5TB hdd! oh well... |
14:23.46 | bilarh | start again? :S |
14:26.09 | wiredfutureman | nah, already 7.78% done |
14:26.38 | wiredfutureman | ok, you twisted my arm - ^c |
14:26.49 | bilarh | hehe |
14:27.00 | wiredfutureman | can't wait to play with his new greyhole |
14:27.35 | wiredfutureman | oops, that sounds a bit ... odd? anyway, file server testing w/ greyhole this weekend :) |
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15:19.19 | mindbendr | wiredfutureman: why test a file server in the weekend. testing is not a job for the weekends, it always goes wrong. |
15:20.17 | wiredfutureman | well, it's for my new one at home |
15:20.34 | mindbendr | you keep fileservers at home!? |
15:20.38 | mindbendr | that's mad. |
15:20.43 | mindbendr | i don't even use linux at home |
15:22.41 | wiredfutureman | home/office |
15:22.49 | wiredfutureman | you don't use linux in your home? |
15:22.57 | mindbendr | sure not |
15:23.00 | wiredfutureman | how do make coffee? |
15:23.04 | mindbendr | i don't |
15:23.07 | mindbendr | i buy it from nero |
15:23.09 | wiredfutureman | o.O |
15:23.13 | wiredfutureman | say what? |
15:23.41 | wiredfutureman | this is crazy talk! no linux, no coffee, ... no file server. are you even real? :s |
15:24.35 | mindbendr | having linux installed at home would be like working in the weekends |
15:24.55 | wiredfutureman | work=fun... for me most of the time anyway :) |
15:24.57 | mindbendr | the same thing applies for the coffee as well |
15:25.57 | wiredfutureman | coffee=tea in my case, unless I'm working too hard / too early / late |
15:26.08 | wiredfutureman | what do you do for fun at home? |
15:26.35 | mindbendr | pr0n? |
15:26.48 | mindbendr | i use team fotress 2 nowadays though |
15:26.52 | mindbendr | not use/ play |
15:27.12 | mindbendr | i was going to say something else lol |
15:28.20 | wiredfutureman | lol |
15:28.24 | wiredfutureman | :) |
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16:46.33 | morsing | londo_! |
16:46.36 | morsing | wiredfutureman! |
16:47.18 | wiredfutureman | morsing! |
16:47.29 | wiredfutureman | howsit? |
16:49.40 | morsing | great :) |
16:50.03 | morsing | wiredfutureman: Just got this: http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Kitten/kitten2_PP.jpg |
16:50.16 | wiredfutureman | cute! |
16:50.32 | wiredfutureman | nice one :) |
16:50.37 | morsing | :) |
16:50.50 | mindbendr | morsing: what do you call it? |
16:51.02 | morsing | Pixel |
16:51.05 | mindbendr | lol |
16:51.11 | wiredfutureman | sweet |
16:51.11 | morsing | :) |
16:51.25 | morsing | Not that names work well with cats |
16:51.48 | mindbendr | morsing: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs14/f/2007/116/e/b/yoyo_by_lordofreflection.jpg |
16:51.58 | morsing | :) |
16:52.03 | mindbendr | it's called yoyo :) |
16:52.07 | morsing | :)) |
16:52.23 | mindbendr | but i think pixel is the second best name after yoyo |
16:52.44 | wiredfutureman | pcxel is cool. yoyo makes sense for small, jumpy dogs :) |
16:52.55 | mindbendr | i'm all about making sense. |
16:53.51 | mindbendr | best time of the day. the time i'm closing my terminal sessions. |
16:53.57 | mindbendr | so have a good weekend people. |
16:54.11 | morsing | Have fun! |
16:55.13 | wiredfutureman | enjoy TF2 |
16:55.19 | mindbendr | cheers :) |
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17:57.30 | wiredfutureman | l8rs all weekend has landed! |
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18:37.10 | AndyMillar | morsing: that is cute |
18:37.14 | AndyMillar | ( morsing! ) |
18:38.49 | Armand | Hi all. :) |
18:43.25 | AndyMillar | evenin |
18:45.32 | Armand | is a Certified Geek. :D |
18:45.35 | Armand | \o/ |
18:49.12 | AndyMillar | congrats :) |
18:49.13 | AndyMillar | howso? |
18:49.48 | Armand | I passed both exams for the CompTIA A+ today.. |
18:50.10 | boudiccas | whats a 'CompTIA'? |
18:51.13 | Armand | www.comptia.org |
18:51.15 | boudiccas | is it a computer transient ischaemic attack? |
18:51.23 | DiscordianUK | A+ is the computer hardware exam |
18:51.53 | Armand | it's my first step on the IT Support course. :) |
18:52.02 | Armand | I'm starting the MCP on Monday. |
18:53.06 | Armand | I think I did quite well on the exams.. out of a maximum score of 900, I got 846 and 847. |
18:54.14 | AndyMillar | :) |
18:54.17 | boudiccas | thats pretty impressive! |
18:54.31 | AndyMillar | their site uses flash |
18:54.32 | Armand | I forget how to work out percentages.. :( |
18:54.35 | AndyMillar | and therefore is useless |
18:54.43 | Armand | AndyMillar: Noticed.. >_< |
18:55.03 | AndyMillar | 94% in the first |
18:55.09 | Armand | It looks like shit when NoScript blocks most of the content. :P |
18:55.12 | AndyMillar | and 94% in the second |
18:55.19 | Armand | Thank you. :) |
18:55.26 | AndyMillar | <PROTECTED> |
18:55.28 | Armand | That's better than my mock. :P |
18:55.36 | Armand | Ahh.. |
18:55.45 | Armand | I'll have to make a note of that. ;) |
18:56.17 | AndyMillar | using exec with bc and echo under irssi to calculate percentages will be part of that 6% you got wrong? ;) |
18:56.36 | Armand | Nah.. it's MS-based. :P |
18:56.49 | AndyMillar | oh, fail course then |
18:56.53 | Armand | lol |
18:56.58 | AndyMillar | surely you should get 100% then |
18:57.06 | AndyMillar | with ever answer being "retry, restart, reinstall"? |
18:57.18 | Armand | Well, I dropped a few points because of gaps in my knowledge.. |
18:57.28 | Armand | I'm sure I'll do better when I retake in a few years time. |
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22:34.56 | Mohan | Armand: Congrats! |