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| 08:50.15 | hali | morning |
| 08:51.15 | boudiccas | well spotted that man! :))))) |
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| 09:26.40 | z00dax | humm... tube strike coming up! |
| 09:26.57 | z00dax | so does anyone know how discordian / clive is doing ? |
| 10:20.22 | bilarh | boudiccas: sarcasm is the lowest form of humour :( |
| 10:28.06 | mindbender | bilarh: reminds me of morsing |
| 10:28.45 | bilarh | mindbender: what me or sarcasm? :P |
| 10:29.30 | mindbender | bilarh: boudiccas saying "well spotted every now and then" |
| 10:29.38 | bilarh | ah |
| 10:29.38 | mindbender | quotes.. |
| 10:29.56 | bilarh | perhaps she's been talking to him on another channel and caught something :) |
| 10:30.59 | mindbender | bilarh: though see the smiley faces in the end, it just feels good like very energetic like it's really fun for real even though it's not |
| 10:31.31 | bilarh | i'm guilty of that too ( :) ) |
| 10:31.41 | mindbender | I wonder if there's gonna be another set of smilies in the next century. |
| 10:31.53 | bilarh | and in boudiccasses defence, i thought it was at least a little bit tickling |
| 10:32.17 | mindbender | bilarh: yeah, just she's done that to me a few times as well, so don't feel special. |
| 10:32.43 | bilarh | she gets around :( |
| 10:32.53 | mindbender | one love for everyone |
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| 10:37.11 | boudiccas | teehee |
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| 11:50.29 | dick_turpin | Afternoon all |
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| 12:53.47 | boudiccas | hiyas dick_turpin |
| 12:54.01 | dick_turpin | Hi honey |
| 12:54.13 | boudiccas | honey? who's 'honey'??? |
| 12:54.35 | boudiccas | its nice and warm out there, must be an indian summer :) |
| 12:55.02 | dick_turpin | Pretty warm here too |
| 12:55.40 | boudiccas | and thers still loads of rug arts around, why arent they in school? |
| 12:55.47 | boudiccas | *rats |
| 12:56.51 | bilarh | boudiccas: are they drunk and voilent? |
| 12:56.55 | bilarh | violent* |
| 13:02.53 | ChoHag | Very bizarre spam. |
| 13:03.13 | ChoHag | Supposed upgrade to squirrelmail links to a hippy's website. |
| 13:07.46 | antiphase | Does anyone still use Squirrelmail? |
| 13:08.01 | bilarh | i do |
| 13:08.01 | ChoHag | I do. |
| 13:08.07 | antiphase | Old skool |
| 13:08.10 | ChoHag | It was apt-got some years ago and left alone. |
| 13:08.27 | bilarh | what else should we use? |
| 13:08.33 | ChoHag | Google. |
| 13:08.57 | antiphase | Roundcube |
| 13:08.59 | bilarh | why the hell would i want to use that when i've got my own domain to handle mails to/from? |
| 13:09.19 | bilarh | oh very snazzy |
| 13:09.22 | ChoHag | I once tried to debug something in roundcube. |
| 13:09.24 | ChoHag | It was unpleasant. |
| 13:10.18 | ChoHag | Not that I'm under any illusions that squirrelmail is going to be any better. |
| 13:10.51 | antiphase | I'd expect it all to be spaghetti PHP |
| 13:11.05 | ChoHag | Is there another type? |
| 13:13.44 | bilarh | i want a solution for hooking an iphone up to my email server, which does't require me to open up imap to the world |
| 13:13.58 | bilarh | and/or use authenticated smtp for sending |
| 13:14.05 | antiphase | I do both and it works fine |
| 13:14.07 | ChoHag | Why not just open imap to the world with authenticated smtp? |
| 13:14.23 | bilarh | because i don't want to open imap to the world |
| 13:14.31 | antiphase | IMAPoS + SMTPAoS |
| 13:14.55 | ChoHag | But why? |
| 13:15.09 | ChoHag | Is there any difference between opening up IMAP and opening up IMAP via HTTP? |
| 13:15.15 | ChoHag | (any practical difference) |
| 13:15.19 | bilarh | and i use sendmail which is a royal pain in the arse to get working with authetnicated relaying |
| 13:15.31 | antiphase | Fail alert |
| 13:15.34 | ChoHag | People use sendmail? |
| 13:15.39 | antiphase | Fuck sendmail in its crusty 30 year old ass |
| 13:15.42 | ChoHag | I thought I was old fashioned with squirrelmail... |
| 13:15.47 | antiphase | Ditch that zero and get yourself an Exim |
| 13:15.56 | bilarh | meh, too much work |
| 13:16.28 | antiphase | I reckon you could set up a smarthost with TLS or SSL and auth in about 20 lines of config |
| 13:16.29 | bilarh | and i like dovecot, but i dont' trust it enough to open it up |
| 13:16.41 | antiphase | wonders what you base trust on |
| 13:16.46 | ChoHag | Anyway, more useful question: Can I set a variable in a makefile to a list of targets, each of which depends on a target of a name which can be derived from the first? |
| 13:16.56 | antiphase | I've had Exim and Dovecot open to the world for two and a half years |
| 13:16.58 | ChoHag | eg. TARGETS = foo bar baz |
| 13:17.10 | ChoHag | $(TARGETS): stamp-$TARGET |
| 13:17.20 | bilarh | antiphase: i don't know, i'm just old skool like you say... |
| 13:17.30 | bilarh | perhaps it's time to get to the 21st century |
| 13:17.41 | antiphase | You're making decisions based on something you don't know, which is invariable the wrong choice :P |
| 13:18.26 | bilarh | i don't want to piss about with email, it's so mindnumbingly boring |
| 13:54.08 | boudiccas | bilarh, nope, thank goodness |
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| 13:59.01 | bilarh | boudiccas: probalby foreign language students then :P |
| 14:22.01 | boudiccas | no theyre all seemingly of primary school age, not old enough to be foreign language school students |
| 14:22.42 | boudiccas | haven tthey got schools to go to? theycant /all/ be playing truant surely?? |
| 14:24.46 | bilarh | i thought school wasn't on until monday? |
| 14:25.26 | boudiccas | could be, i dont know, but that might answer why theyre all about still |
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| 14:45.17 | mindbender | i love mta rant |
| 14:45.58 | mindbender | there's only one mta i hate which is qmail and that's the mta i run on my personal server |
| 14:47.41 | DiscordianUK | sendmail is the only one |
| 14:49.20 | mindbender | i like sendmail |
| 14:49.28 | mindbender | have a tendency to like postfix afterall as well |
| 14:51.15 | DiscordianUK | sendmail is what I use, if I didn't I'd also choose postfix |
| 14:53.32 | mindbender | sendmail was a PITA like 5-7 years ago when it wasn't supporting pop before smtp |
| 14:53.51 | mindbender | patching it was a pain |
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| 15:20.30 | hali | postfix ftw |
| 15:23.28 | antiphase | Postfix is vaguely acceptable if you're a weenie, but otherwise you have to use Exim. Everything else is a massive ballache |
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| 15:24.35 | mindbender | antiphase: at what point postfix becomes unacceptable? filters? |
| 15:25.34 | antiphase | I think its major "advantage" is always cited as its separation of concerns, and if that's all it has going for it, I'm not convinced. I think it's easier to configure as well, but you pay for that with limited flexibility |
| 15:26.36 | antiphase | Exim filters are all epic as well of course |
| 15:39.27 | AndyMillar | postfix is awesome.. |
| 15:39.42 | AndyMillar | ... for a single domain, and relatively simple configuration |
| 15:39.53 | AndyMillar | the minute you want to do anything exciting with it, the config becomes impossible |
| 15:39.55 | hali | perlmonkies usually go for exim |
| 15:40.04 | hali | i find postfix enough for the basic things we do |
| 15:40.05 | AndyMillar | wheras exim's config allos you to *do* *stuff* |
| 15:40.50 | AndyMillar | hali: for simple setups, postfix makes sense |
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| 16:06.39 | ChoHag | New favourite site: http://whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/ |
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| 18:15.41 | Armand | Hey all.. |
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