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| 01:15.32 | PcSett | Greetings again, Glluggers, nice to be back - if anyone's awake ... |
| 01:34.57 | PcSett | Thought not. |
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| 08:02.19 | zplinux | hi all how to tell vim to mark every line begining with + and space? |
| 08:03.58 | Leeds | :s/^/+ / |
| 08:04.29 | zplinux | thanks leeds |
| 08:04.38 | Leeds | pleasure |
| 08:10.33 | zplinux | Leeds: every line start is marked |
| 08:10.49 | zplinux | not only the one starting with + space |
| 08:11.12 | Leeds | ermm... I thought that was what you asked |
| 08:13.38 | zplinux | regular expression to catch is '^\+\ .*' |
| 08:21.29 | zplinux | :s/^[+ ]/ is what I was looking for |
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| 10:08.07 | antiphase | wonders if zplinux's file only had one line in it |
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| 11:52.26 | ChoHag | I can't believe Emacs OS has survived so long without proper multitasking. |
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| 12:11.09 | dick_turpin | It was broken already, honest. |
| 12:13.29 | ChoHag | haha |
| 12:13.40 | ChoHag | Before you came in: 11:51 < ChoHag> I can't believe Emacs OS has survived so long without proper multitasking. |
| 12:18.42 | boudiccas | if a salesman says something honestly, then theres a catch in it somewhere! |
| 12:18.57 | boudiccas | leastways, thats been my expereince |
| 12:20.05 | boudiccas | thats right isnt it dick_turpin ? :) |
| 12:20.49 | dick_turpin | Them days are over mores the pity, everyone is a smart arse purchaser these days with their bar code scanners and Interweb access |
| 12:21.40 | boudiccas | well i havent got a barcode spanner, but i do have the mark 1 eyeball, is that as good? |
| 12:22.01 | dick_turpin | Yep |
| 12:22.35 | boudiccas | you seem rather subdued dick_turpin , are you all right? |
| 12:23.09 | dick_turpin | Apart from standing on this rickety stool with a rope round my neck you mean? |
| 12:23.39 | boudiccas | seriously, you seem rather subdued |
| 12:25.34 | dick_turpin | runs round the channel very quickly to throw boudiccas off the scent and give the impression he is not subdued. |
| 12:25.58 | boudiccas | hmmm, fluff and nonsense! |
| 12:26.41 | boudiccas | i hope you took the rope off your neck before you started running round the channel? |
| 12:28.54 | dick_turpin | Heweerk! |
| 12:29.09 | boudiccas | hm, guess not then!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:12.32 | ChoHag | Mwahaha |
| 14:12.33 | ChoHag | Free gas. |
| 14:24.51 | boudiccas | whats the command to tell you what drives are on a machine please? |
| 14:25.25 | ChoHag | What drives? |
| 14:25.29 | ChoHag | As in hard drives? |
| 14:25.33 | boudiccas | yes |
| 14:25.36 | z00dax | boudiccas: 'cat /proc/partitions' will usually tell you about hard drives |
| 14:25.44 | boudiccas | thank you |
| 14:25.46 | hali | fdisk -l |
| 14:25.50 | ChoHag | I just ls -l /dev/sd? in these days of udev. |
| 14:25.52 | dick_turpin | fdisl -l |
| 14:25.55 | dick_turpin | Bum |
| 14:26.04 | hali | i guess i'll get told off for using that though, fdisk shouldn't be used!!! omg! |
| 14:26.12 | dick_turpin | not only spelt wrong but too slow as well |
| 14:26.20 | hali | parted -l |
| 14:26.23 | ChoHag | hali: That tends to list everything, whether a dm device, or what. |
| 14:26.23 | z00dax | hali: yeah, use sfdisk |
| 14:26.24 | hali | is probably what one should use |
| 14:26.38 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, how can you spell <bum> wrongly? |
| 14:26.40 | ChoHag | fdisk -l /dev/sd? will list real drives only. |
| 14:26.41 | hali | z00dax: is parted ok? |
| 14:26.48 | hali | sfdisk is probably easier to use though |
| 14:26.50 | z00dax | hali: i think so, i use it all the time :) |
| 14:26.52 | ChoHag | I think /dev/hd? is old fashioned these days. |
| 14:27.00 | z00dax | gpt ate my fdisk habbit |
| 14:27.02 | hali | it supports gpt and all that stuff ok |
| 14:27.12 | z00dax | and powerpc/linux on mac g4's |
| 14:27.16 | ChoHag | Yeah there's a gdisk. |
| 14:27.35 | ChoHag | Fuck only knows why fdisk wasn't given gpt leetness. |
| 14:27.58 | hali | the maintainer is a cunt? |
| 14:28.05 | hali | and they forked sfdisk instead |
| 14:28.10 | ChoHag | He writes open sores, so probably. |
| 14:28.12 | hali | only a guess, but it's usually what happens in the gpl world :) |
| 14:28.14 | z00dax | i guess similar reasons as lilo didnt get other foo, so aboot, silo, yaboot happened. |
| 14:28.20 | z00dax | hali: +1 |
| 14:28.43 | hali | nagios->icinga |
| 14:28.47 | hali | etc |
| 14:29.07 | ChoHag | The only time that ever went well was with cdrecord, when the world collectively told the cdrecord author to go and fuck himself. |
| 14:29.15 | ChoHag | Then they lost everything by calling the replacement wodim. |
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| 15:18.04 | cbz | Except, as is normal in such cases, the cunt in question was a better programmer than his replacements |
| 15:18.08 | cbz | See also Theo |
| 15:20.07 | ChoHag | Yes. The quality of the programmer is proportional to the value of the wankishness. |
| 15:21.06 | ChoHag | See: djb. |
| 15:24.02 | cbz | Unfortunately the relationship doesn't work the other way around. |
| 15:25.27 | ChoHag | For that we have ... actually most programmers. |
| 15:25.34 | ChoHag | No need to mention anyone specific. |
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| 15:42.45 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.04 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.24 | gmarkall | faulty memory? |
| 15:43.53 | boudiccas | it always fails with the h/d thats why i suspect it |
| 15:44.07 | boudiccas | but it wont hurt to run memtest on it |
| 15:46.02 | gmarkall | I did have a similar problem once which turned out to be faulty memory - however, is the HD making funny noises when this happens? |
| 15:46.27 | boudiccas | no niose whatsoever |
| 15:46.56 | boudiccas | *noise |
| 15:48.01 | z00dax | boudiccas: try a livecd |
| 15:48.15 | z00dax | that way you can test everything on the machine, without needing to touch the hard disk |
| 15:48.26 | boudiccas | i am doing thats whats been running smartctl |
| 15:49.04 | antiphase | Look in the logs |
| 15:49.28 | boudiccas | but seeing that number of failed instals , where they've been installed okay and then refused to boot, makes me think of h/d problems of a screwed mbr |
| 15:49.45 | ChoHag | Throw it away. Buy a new one. |
| 15:49.51 | ChoHag | Computers aren't worth repairing these days. |
| 15:49.56 | ChoHag | Like washing machines. |
| 15:50.20 | boudiccas | i can afford a new h/d for it, but i cnat afford to throw the laptop away |
| 15:50.44 | hali | a new hd wouldn't be very expensive |
| 15:51.18 | boudiccas | just under fifty squid, but the theres the hassle of installing it |
| 15:51.36 | ChoHag | Installing laptop HDs is easy. |
| 15:51.48 | hali | i think scan do a 250gig for about 29quid |
| 15:52.01 | hali | they might rape you on the shipping though |
| 15:52.02 | boudiccas | i havent got a mgnetic screwdriver and the screws holding the casing on are in deep recesses, and not knowing what i'm doing with it its scaring the pants off me |
| 15:52.34 | ChoHag | s/might// |
| 15:52.49 | ChoHag | Don't need a magnetic screwdriver. |
| 15:52.54 | boudiccas | http://www.drivemylaptop.co.uk/LaptopDriveDetails.aspx?p=1808 ....... is compatible with my laptop |
| 15:52.55 | ChoHag | Just don't drop them onte a deep-pile carpet. |
| 15:53.15 | ChoHag | As for not knowing what you're doing, what makes you think any of the techs you could send it to would? |
| 15:53.24 | boudiccas | true |
| 15:53.54 | boudiccas | it just scares me seeing the holes andnot knowing which ones i need to undo to get to the h/d |
| 15:54.22 | ChoHag | There's probably a picture of a HD with an arrow. |
| 15:54.51 | boudiccas | sorry ChoHag , you've lost me there |
| 15:56.19 | ChoHag | Had a look on google and couldn't find any... |
| 15:57.05 | ChoHag | My laptop has a little hard drive icon with an arrow pointing to the screw to remove to replace the hard drive. |
| 15:57.19 | boudiccas | ah right, ty, now i understand |
| 15:57.22 | ChoHag | And a chip on the screws for memory, some for what's probably the keyboard. |
| 15:57.43 | ChoHag | Although it has a keyboard and what looks like a drop of water. Don't know what that's about. |
| 15:57.50 | boudiccas | mine just has the holes in the casing with the screws being deeply recessed |
| 15:58.07 | boudiccas | no indication at all as to what does what |
| 15:58.18 | ChoHag | Undo the ones near the hard-drive sized removable cover. |
| 15:58.55 | boudiccas | the whole thing is removable, a bit clam like, you undo the screws and just lift the backing off |
| 15:59.09 | ChoHag | It could also be under the keyboard. |
| 15:59.18 | ChoHag | Try that first because they're usually easy to pop on and off. |
| 15:59.22 | boudiccas | all in one piece, no messing :) |
| 15:59.25 | ChoHag | Alternatively, ask google. |
| 15:59.52 | ChoHag | It'll have instructions. There's always (except on apples) an easy way to replace the hard drive and RAM. |
| 16:04.04 | AndyMillar | mmh, i bought a 500gb disk for my router from pc-world the other day |
| 16:04.07 | AndyMillar | for about £40 |
| 16:11.22 | AndyMillar | boudiccas: taking laptops apart is fun |
| 16:11.37 | ChoHag | Just remember which screws go where. |
| 16:12.15 | ChoHag | Eventually you get to the point where you can work out which screw to put back just from the way it looks. Can't do that with your first though. |
| 16:20.03 | boudiccas | AndyMillar, not my idea of fun, but i cna do it on my desktop model so its only a small bit harder on my laptop |
| 16:21.06 | ChoHag | Laptops are easier. There are far fewer parts, and the ones that are commonly replaced are usually very easy to get to. |
| 16:29.40 | AndyMillar | i spent the christmas before last stripping down and rebuilding the work ones :p |
| 16:30.19 | ChoHag | We can't even get kickstart right here. |
| 16:30.27 | ChoHag | Well I say 'we'. I didn't bloody set it up. |
| 16:30.48 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: so fix it |
| 16:30.59 | ChoHag | We are. Supposedly. |
| 16:31.25 | AndyMillar | http://www.andymillar.co.uk/temp/HappyCathasRunOut.jpg |
| 16:31.26 | AndyMillar | ! |
| 16:31.47 | ChoHag | Eventually I will receive an email planning the schedule of planning meetings to discuss the design of a new configuration management system, which will include system deployment. |
| 16:32.28 | AndyMillar | lol |
| 16:32.48 | ChoHag | We already had the meeting to plan the scope of the configuration management project. |
| 16:33.14 | ChoHag | I so much wish I was kidding. |
| 16:33.53 | ChoHag | I decided this morning that this place can best be summed up with the clock. |
| 16:34.21 | ChoHag | There are 3 offices, Bangkok, London and New York. Recently they put 3 clocks up on the wall (behind a big post so nobody can see all 3). |
| 16:35.28 | ChoHag | First, only London worked. Then they fixed Bangkok. Then they added labels but they all fell down. Then they screwed the labels in and 'fixed' New York. They have since fixed New York twice and it's still not on the wall because they can't get a fucking battery-operated clock to work. |
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| 16:52.07 | AndyMillar | lol |
| 17:01.56 | ChoHag | Don't lol. I have to live it. |
| 17:18.53 | AndyMillar | :( |
| 17:19.52 | ChoHag | 17:17 < Kvik> it must be ignoring pxe... it uses dhcp to get IP, but then it loads local kernel and tries to kickstart because of 'extra = "text ks=http://10.0.0.239/conf/qasolr01.ks"' |
| 17:19.56 | ChoHag | 17:18 < mattp> yup, looks that way. |
| 17:20.13 | ChoHag | mattp != me |
| 17:23.23 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 17:24.48 | AndyMillar | where do you find these people? |
| 17:25.06 | ChoHag | The first is the most senior admin weth about 8 years. |
| 17:25.21 | ChoHag | The second was an admin years ago, left and came back. |
| 17:25.36 | AndyMillar | lol |
| 17:25.50 | ChoHag | mattp is .... I don't know how to say. |
| 17:26.02 | ChoHag | He is both a geek stereotype and utterly inept. |
| 17:26.28 | ChoHag | And kvik is an excellent admin. If it's 1990. |
| 17:27.46 | murb | is this channel still publically logged |
| 17:27.54 | AndyMillar | probably |
| 17:28.20 | ChoHag | Does my ~/.irssi count as publicly? |
| 17:28.36 | AndyMillar | http://www.jonmasters.org/irc/gllug/ |
| 17:28.38 | AndyMillar | lol |
| 17:31.12 | AndyMillar | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gllug/ |
| 17:32.07 | ChoHag | Heh. Wow. |
| 17:34.35 | AndyMillar | http://en.gogloom.com/FreeNode/gllug/Graphic+View |
| 17:36.33 | ChoHag | Too many tabs. |
| 17:42.46 | murb | ChoHag: welll there is a difference between logs on a random shell account on a multiuser system and sticking them up somewhere for google etc to find. |
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| 19:56.39 | Armand | boudiccas! |
| 19:57.07 | boudiccas | greetings |
| 19:57.21 | Armand | :) |
| 19:57.27 | Armand | How's you ? |
| 19:57.37 | boudiccas | stressed! |
| 19:58.44 | boudiccas | I've just ruined a perfectly good cat5 cable by unplugging it from my router using a wrench! it fitted so well it took me nigh on hlaf an hour to get it out, and then that was only accomplished through brute force and prayer |
| 19:59.07 | boudiccas | but, hows yourself? |
| 19:59.18 | Armand | Why ?? :( |
| 19:59.25 | boudiccas | why what? |
| 20:01.35 | Armand | O_O |
| 20:01.46 | Armand | why stressed... but, you answered that |
| 20:02.06 | Armand | But, yeah... I'm alright.. suffering a little with a toothache. |
| 20:02.26 | antiphase | prescibes beer and ibuprofen |
| 20:04.26 | Armand | All out of ibuprofen.. I have to put up with paracetamol making me feel queasy. |
| 20:04.26 | Armand | (SP?) |
| 20:04.35 | murb | yeah muscle relaxant is always a good idea |
| 20:04.44 | murb | oh you should avoid paracetamol and booze |
| 20:04.56 | murb | unless you really want to screw with your liver. |
| 20:05.31 | Armand | oops.. :P |
| 20:06.02 | Armand | I'm sure that odd sip of amaretto isn't going to hurt too much. |
| 20:07.37 | boudiccas | toothache! dont remind me, i'm having nine teeth taken out at one visit to the dentist next month, and i'm dreading it |
| 20:10.13 | Armand | What makes it worse.. is my gland.. it reacts everytime I get toothache. It feels like I've got a golf-ball under my chin. |
| 20:10.40 | antiphase | I had one taken out yesterday and it wasn't great |
| 20:10.44 | antiphase | Big molar though |
| 20:12.11 | Armand | :( |
| 20:12.26 | Armand | I'm going to have it sorted soon.. end of feb |
| 20:12.42 | Armand | Can't afford anything right now.. so, I'll suffer for a few days. >_< |
| 20:12.58 | boudiccas | thats a long time to wait, best stock up on the ibuprofen then |
| 20:14.01 | antiphase | The myth about alcohol and paracetamol compounding liver damage seems quite pervasive |
| 20:14.10 | Armand | That's going to come out just as expensive.. I can cope on cheap paracetamol until I have it down |
| 20:14.21 | Armand | *done |
| 20:14.47 | boudiccas | Armand, get boots or sainsburys own brand of ibuprofen, it works out to pence not pounds |
| 20:14.56 | antiphase | Paracetamol is nowhere near as good at reducing inflammation, which is probably why I've never found it any good for toothache |
| 20:15.05 | antiphase | Get down the petrol station and buy some :P |
| 20:15.13 | Armand | I'll have a look when we go shopping. :) |
| 20:15.14 | murb | boudiccas: the expensive stuff works better. |
| 20:15.19 | murb | because of the price |
| 20:15.21 | murb | etc |
| 20:15.26 | murb | and packaing and presentation. |
| 20:15.35 | murb | you think you're getting something better, so you do. |
| 20:15.43 | antiphase | I solved the problem by buying a tub of 1000 tablets when I was in the US a couple of years ago |
| 20:15.45 | murb | never underestimate the placebo effect. |
| 20:15.46 | antiphase | For $20 |
| 20:16.02 | antiphase | I"m still chewing my way through it |
| 20:16.04 | murb | well they cost next to nothing in the uk as well. |
| 20:16.05 | boudiccas | antiphase, i agree, paracetamol is a very good anti-pyrettic [sp], it reduces fevers very well but brufewn is teh best |
| 20:16.27 | murb | and i avoid aspirin,except when i have no choice. |
| 20:16.45 | murb | seems to be very popular in .de for historical reasons, i assume |
| 20:16.55 | boudiccas | murb, take nothing, becausenothing acts faster than aspirin |
| 20:17.10 | Armand | I can't take aspirin... gives me heartburn. O_o |
| 20:17.11 | murb | also can only buy such things in pharmacies, so if you need to borrow something people will only have aspirin. |
| 20:18.26 | boudiccas | is it possible to crimp the cat 5 cable onto a new plug with some kind of home kit? |
| 20:18.38 | murb | yeah |
| 20:18.52 | murb | a crimpint tool is about 20 quid |
| 20:18.58 | boudiccas | whast the kit called please, then i know what to google for |
| 20:19.13 | boudiccas | thats a lot of money for a single use! |
| 20:19.14 | murb | slightly more epxnsive ones have a racket which makes it easier to use |
| 20:19.15 | Armand | You should be able to find cat5 crimps for about £10 on flebay |
| 20:19.36 | murb | or you could go into a high street computer store and buy a single cable for a tenner. |
| 20:19.43 | boudiccas | is that what they're called, a <cat 5 crimp>? |
| 20:19.44 | murb | boudiccas: tis a useful thing to have. |
| 20:19.46 | antiphase | OR just nick one from work for nothing |
| 20:20.01 | murb | antiphase: i force clients to buy premade cables. |
| 20:20.17 | murb | and eeven then i still have a crimping tool for emergencies. |
| 20:20.25 | antiphase | Home-made ones do tend to fail in mysterious and undetectable ways I suspect |
| 20:20.27 | boudiccas | i bought one from amazon for just under three quid |
| 20:20.46 | antiphase | I've got a crimper I haven't used for at least 8 years I think |
| 20:20.50 | boudiccas | a 20m cable that is |
| 20:20.53 | murb | antiphase: yeah, a cable tester is also a useful thing to have. |
| 20:20.57 | murb | but not cheap. |
| 20:21.15 | antiphase | I think I've got one of those that someone was foolish enough to leave laying around for too long |
| 20:21.46 | murb | i should finish cabling my house one of these years. |
| 20:22.13 | boudiccas | ah teh colditz syndrome! if it looks useful and its unattended it will walk :) |
| 20:23.21 | antiphase | Well, if people don't care enough about things to leave them around for extended periods, I'll give them a good home :P |
| 20:24.22 | boudiccas | :) |
| 20:26.23 | boudiccas | so if i toddle along to maplins on thursday i should be bale to get a cat 5 crimp then? |
| 20:26.32 | boudiccas | *able |
| 20:28.55 | cbz | yes |
| 20:30.31 | murb | boudiccas: yeah, but i doubt it |
| 20:30.35 | murb | ll be cheap. |
| 20:30.47 | boudiccas | thanks for that, i've made a note in my diary so i dont forget |
| 20:31.15 | boudiccas | i'll try haggling for it, should be good for a laugh |
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| 20:48.06 | AndyMillar | http://www.maplin.co.uk/rj45-and-rj11-crimp-tool-and-cable-stripper-set-99612 is actually a good one |
| 20:48.47 | AndyMillar | tends to borrow one from work every time I need to crimp stuff |
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| 20:59.57 | boudiccas | £30!!!!!!!!!!! I was expecting about half that price! |
| 21:00.16 | Armand | ebay.. |
| 21:00.56 | murb | boudiccas: inflation.. |
| 21:01.07 | murb | wait a few weeks and it'l be 31.95 |
| 21:01.10 | boudiccas | yes, looks likely that i'll be surfing on ebay tomorrow. when i've done my housework |
| 21:01.39 | boudiccas | thats what i'm afriad of murb |
| 21:02.24 | murb | but as always you can probably find somethinc cheaper elsewhere |
| 21:02.53 | boudiccas | its got to be good quality though |
| 21:04.02 | murb | choose 2 |
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