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| 02:38.46 | *** topic/#gllug is Welcome to the Greater London Linux User Group IRC channel | http://www.gllug.org.uk |
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| 09:26.30 | scottuss | moin? |
| 09:26.56 | scottuss | does this lug still meet etc? |
| 09:29.02 | z00dax | not often, but relationships persist |
| 09:31.21 | hali | scottuss: feel free to arrange something ;) |
| 09:31.48 | scottuss | hali, I might just do that! |
| 09:32.21 | hali | loads of people asking for meetings all the time |
| 09:32.40 | hali | the mailinglist is fairly active, mostly really weird stuff but still |
| 09:35.55 | scottuss | the homepage doesn't get updated much then? |
| 09:36.34 | Cope | moin |
| 09:37.04 | sabinef72 | good morning all |
| 09:40.21 | wethrin | The homepage gets updated when there's a meeting |
| 09:41.38 | Leeds | now that's something I've never seen before, youtube spam... |
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| 10:16.20 | ChoHag | Now isn't that funny. On friday I sent an email to the South African embassy. This morning I've started receiving spam. |
| 11:53.30 | Cope | ChoHag: come for beer with chef people tonight! |
| 11:56.29 | antiphase | hisses at Chef |
| 11:58.22 | Cope | antiphase: come and hiss over beer :) |
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| 12:11.07 | hali | nice job offer on the list |
| 12:11.17 | hali | might just apply, i always wanted to work for less than minimum wages |
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| 12:57.04 | dick_turpin | "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" |
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| 13:18.17 | dick_turpin | Anyone seeing my mail on the list? [Gllug] VACANCY: Junior Sysadmin/Helpdesk/1st-line support |
| 13:23.55 | hali | good one yes :) |
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| 13:25.30 | hali | reflects quite poorly on the company, Stabilys Ltd, as well... if that's what they pay thair techies they can't offer very good quality services |
| 13:25.51 | hali | their* |
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| 13:34.50 | dick_turpin | As I said in my email from the comment "if you're any good" leads me to think the employer believes his staff are galley slaves who should be grateful they have somewhere warm to go to during the day. |
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| 14:06.12 | boudiccas | hali, on reading the advert in their web page for vacnacies, theyre offering 12k-15k |
| 14:06.54 | hali | and they are looking for someone with certs and 1 year + |
| 14:07.00 | boudiccas | *vacancies |
| 14:07.04 | hali | so in a way, i think that is an insult |
| 14:07.25 | hali | and "we want you to become senior asap" |
| 14:07.32 | hali | is a bit odd |
| 14:07.59 | boudiccas | yes, i was tempted to apply but not when you're on call and working weekends too, getting the train up to the smoke would cost too much |
| 14:10.52 | Alex | hali: I think they mean that this is a junior, but not dead end, position |
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| 14:13.48 | antiphase | You'd have to be living with your Mum to live in London on 15 bags a year |
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| 14:23.38 | dick_turpin | We get the same up here but worse |
| 14:24.43 | dick_turpin | They would want you to have 5+ years experience be expert in about 6 disciplines and probably have your own tool kit |
| 14:28.24 | boudiccas | six discipines? are there six? rumba, polka, waltz, and i cant think of anymore |
| 14:28.44 | boudiccas | quickstep |
| 14:28.53 | boudiccas | thats four |
| 14:29.21 | dick_turpin | When I was at a customers the other day I noticed some CV's on the desk, now of course I'm a professional who would never dream of reading private material |
| 14:29.31 | boudiccas | lol |
| 14:30.27 | dick_turpin | All of them had degrees and qualifications coming out of their rectums, these was needed as I also spied the advert |
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| 14:31.38 | dick_turpin | This was to sell shampoo/soap dispensers! WTF? a degree to sell a poxy soap dish! And this is why unemployment is so high |
| 14:32.30 | Armand | If you wanna get ahead in this world... take a McDonald's (mis)Management course. :P |
| 14:32.43 | antiphase | after your Media Wank degree |
| 14:35.27 | dick_turpin | Or an ology ology's are good |
| 14:35.39 | Armand | fuckology ? |
| 14:35.43 | Armand | Sweet... |
| 14:36.03 | dick_turpin | Sociology, Biology |
| 14:36.22 | Armand | slinks back to the dog-house.. |
| 14:36.26 | Armand | -_- |
| 14:37.38 | Armand | I studied boozeology at college, does that count ? |
| 14:38.23 | boudiccas | was this boozeology 101? |
| 14:39.52 | Armand | 101?? NO... 24/7 :P |
| 14:58.22 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, you still here? |
| 14:58.45 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, why would a monkey want to collect ants? its a serious question that |
| 15:00.22 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, where does the expression come from, i've never heard it before? |
| 15:01.01 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: To eat them. |
| 15:01.29 | boudiccas | oh! |
| 15:01.59 | dick_turpin | They eat sugar aants they get a twig to reach inside logs etc, they poke the stick in and the stupid ants climb all over the stick |
| 15:02.00 | boudiccas | didnt know that monkets ate ants, i always thought that they were vegetarian |
| 15:02.22 | boudiccas | oh, you live and learn |
| 15:02.39 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Nope they do eat meat and have been know to eat juvenile monkeys |
| 15:02.39 | boudiccas | thanks for that |
| 15:02.56 | boudiccas | weird! |
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| 16:46.49 | z00dax | nice. 12k for a 1+ experienced sysadmin job with helpdesk grief to add to the top of that |
| 16:47.02 | z00dax | is the graduate market really in such a dump at the moment ? |
| 16:49.02 | dick_turpin | No this is a prime example of employers taking the piss and being allowed to get away with it by graduates/people desperate for work taking these jobs on. |
| 16:54.50 | dick_turpin | Its sad to see that the words of the song Bank Robber by The Clash are still true "Break your back to earn your pay and don't forget to grovel" |
| 17:07.39 | z00dax | what might be a moderately decent wage to start on as a grad, with little or no real world experience but reasonablly decent marks. |
| 17:07.48 | z00dax | say someone who graduates with 65% overall ? |
| 17:08.08 | z00dax | in computer sciences |
| 17:12.54 | dick_turpin | But hang on lets not get hung up on graduates how about a decent wage for a person? £12K for a Graduate doing that job up here might be sort of OK'ish but down there even for an unqualified person that's taking the piss. |
| 17:15.49 | z00dax | is that based purely on cost of living ? |
| 17:18.20 | dick_turpin | Yeah I saw a 4 room flat (reasonable size) the other day for £400pcm |
| 17:19.50 | dick_turpin | My mate rents a top of the range house that backs onto the local park for £700pcm I think its over priced he moved out of a 3 bed house that was £500pcm |
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| 17:38.54 | AndyMillar | tbh, if someone's willing to work for £12k, then so be it |
| 17:39.28 | AndyMillar | z00dax: average grad salary for my university, when I left university, (not that many years ago) was £26k |
| 17:39.50 | AndyMillar | (with a BEng/MEng Computing) |
| 17:39.55 | z00dax | AndyMillar: interesting. |
| 17:40.22 | AndyMillar | £12k might be "ok" for a school leaver somewhere up north |
| 17:40.31 | z00dax | 26k seems kinda reasonable. the 12k thing was a bit of a shocker. but then as you say, if someone wants to work at 12k ... |
| 17:40.36 | AndyMillar | but ignoring tax, that job doesn't even cover my rent |
| 17:42.20 | AndyMillar | so I really don't see how anyone can realisticly pay that low for London |
| 17:44.14 | z00dax | I know that BT pay £17k/yr for graduates in india |
| 17:44.24 | z00dax | so 12k in London seems a bit low, yes :) |
| 17:44.30 | AndyMillar | z00dax: for reference, it appears that most IC DOC graduates end up in banking/finance |
| 17:44.44 | AndyMillar | so I suspect £20k for London is "reasonable" for a graduate |
| 17:45.09 | z00dax | AndyMillar: 'gambling' is a kinda 'finance' right ? :) |
| 17:45.24 | AndyMillar | I don't work for a gambling company ;) |
| 17:45.37 | z00dax | you did used to, didnt you ? |
| 17:45.57 | AndyMillar | though the only real difference is who you're regulated by; everything else is the same |
| 17:46.24 | AndyMillar | technically yes, and our majority stakeholder is a gambling company |
| 17:47.00 | z00dax | I wonder how James is doing these days |
| 17:47.10 | AndyMillar | James? |
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