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| 08:33.53 | cityLights | hi |
| 08:37.03 | cityLights | ~seen leeds |
| 08:37.09 | ibot | leeds is currently on #gllug (5h 15m 24s), last said: 'hmm?'. |
| 08:42.30 | Leeds | afternoon... |
| 08:42.43 | cityLights | so hungry |
| 08:42.56 | cityLights | where is my lunch? |
| 08:43.24 | cityLights | Leeds: I bought a google and imidiatly thougt of your htc |
| 08:43.32 | cityLights | the one google gave you |
| 08:43.39 | Leeds | which one? |
| 08:43.57 | cityLights | did you write any other programs except that horical alerter? |
| 08:44.36 | cityLights | I managed to setup a vpn via amazon cloud , |
| 08:44.50 | cityLights | so I can watch amazon instant video on it |
| 08:45.01 | Leeds | sure, I've written a few apps now |
| 08:45.04 | cityLights | what was the vpn solution you used? |
| 08:45.08 | Leeds | and I'm more interested in watching BBC stuff :) |
| 08:45.21 | cityLights | still working as a php programmer - right? |
| 08:45.36 | Leeds | php, python, java - a mixture |
| 08:46.21 | Leeds | how about you? |
| 08:46.21 | cityLights | ok, so when are you flying over ? |
| 08:46.34 | cityLights | I finished that application I mentioned |
| 08:46.59 | cityLights | it puts the phone to queit when a meeting takes place |
| 08:47.06 | Leeds | we'll be in Israel from the 1st to the 7th |
| 08:47.08 | cityLights | then retuns to normal profile |
| 08:47.19 | cityLights | next month? |
| 08:47.23 | Leeds | yup |
| 08:47.33 | cityLights | we plan to voisit rome next month |
| 08:47.41 | cityLights | well, after you go |
| 08:48.03 | Leeds | good... we are going to meet up, right? :) |
| 08:48.05 | cityLights | do advice it is very hot here |
| 08:48.12 | Leeds | actually, I've never been to Rome |
| 08:48.25 | cityLights | I also started drinking more bear now |
| 08:48.40 | cityLights | well, I will tell you how it goes |
| 08:49.04 | Leeds | just bought a couple of Orange SIM cards so we can get some internet while we're there |
| 08:49.08 | cityLights | I now need to finish this ruby code |
| 08:49.24 | cityLights | Israly orange sims? |
| 08:49.44 | Leeds | yup |
| 08:49.56 | cityLights | how can you bu them in HK/ |
| 08:49.58 | cityLights | ? |
| 08:50.04 | Leeds | from the Israel Post website |
| 08:50.14 | cityLights | o o , can you please bring some tea? |
| 08:50.22 | Leeds | 50 NIS for a card with 40 NIS credit on it, and about 10 NIS postage to HK |
| 08:50.25 | cityLights | and they send you the sims? |
| 08:50.34 | Leeds | I hope so :) |
| 08:50.37 | cityLights | sweet! |
| 08:51.02 | cityLights | I am just going to upgrade my 3G 2.8Mb->5Mb today |
| 08:51.03 | Leeds | actually, I was going to ask you if you could do me a favour |
| 08:51.12 | cityLights | shoot! |
| 08:51.26 | Leeds | I've got no idea how fast this Orange service will be, but it will be better and cheaper than roaming :) |
| 08:51.33 | cityLights | I ment downloading 5Mb |
| 08:51.38 | Leeds | ah... |
| 08:52.04 | Leeds | is there any chance you could get me a couple of Orange top-up cards? |
| 08:52.10 | cityLights | too bad we didnt talk before |
| 08:52.23 | cityLights | I could buy you a limitless sim today |
| 08:52.33 | Leeds | limitless with no contract? |
| 08:52.44 | cityLights | orange sell internet by quata |
| 08:53.00 | cityLights | limitless - no traffic limit |
| 08:53.12 | cityLights | also |
| 08:53.32 | cityLights | orange dont give you a WAN IP address |
| 08:53.38 | cityLights | only a 10.0.0.x |
| 08:53.47 | Leeds | ah, not worried about that for one week :) |
| 08:53.48 | cityLights | so you can't receive any traffic |
| 08:54.15 | cityLights | I can also buy you a virtual israel phone number |
| 08:54.40 | cityLights | just install a sip client |
| 08:54.53 | cityLights | whats the favor? |
| 08:54.54 | Leeds | eh... one week |
| 08:54.59 | Leeds | is there any chance you could get me a couple of Orange top-up cards? |
| 08:55.13 | cityLights | no problem |
| 08:55.16 | Leeds | by the way, this is my phone now :) http://www.orange.co.il/he-il/Catalog/devices/Pages/Samsung/samsung-galaxy-SII/ |
| 08:55.20 | cityLights | both with data? |
| 08:55.32 | cityLights | sweet! |
| 08:55.54 | Leeds | ah, no... |
| 08:55.59 | cityLights | I am now looking to buy hd_home_run device |
| 08:56.11 | Leeds | if I have a card with 40 NIS credit... I should be able to add 60 NIS and get 5GB internet, I think |
| 08:56.13 | cityLights | dvb->ethernet |
| 08:56.27 | cityLights | suppose to be 85$ |
| 08:56.39 | cityLights | I can check |
| 08:57.05 | cityLights | would you need an internet IP? |
| 08:57.14 | cityLights | or should I look in to orange? |
| 08:57.23 | Leeds | let me start again :) |
| 08:57.33 | cityLights | ok ok |
| 08:57.35 | cityLights | got you |
| 08:57.40 | cityLights | orange! |
| 08:58.03 | Leeds | I have bought two Orange SIM cards, which should be coming to me by post |
| 08:58.05 | cityLights | will go there this afternoon |
| 08:58.10 | Leeds | they each have 40 NIS credit |
| 08:58.15 | cityLights | o |
| 08:58.16 | cityLights | ok |
| 08:58.28 | Leeds | the Orange big talk prepaid service has a 5GB internet package for 99 NIS |
| 08:58.34 | cityLights | so yu need me to ask them if you can add 60 nis and get 5Gb data |
| 08:58.42 | cityLights | I see |
| 08:58.45 | cityLights | I will ask |
| 08:59.04 | Leeds | well, no |
| 08:59.04 | cityLights | oh , so do you know your number? |
| 08:59.17 | Leeds | I *will* know my number when the card arrives... but that's not it |
| 08:59.20 | cityLights | ok, go on |
| 08:59.32 | Leeds | I assume it works the same as prepaid cards in other countries... |
| 09:00.16 | Leeds | you can add credit online, maybe at an ATM or in a shop... or you can buy a card in a kiosk... you scratch the card and get a long number... you call the service number and type in the number on the card, and you get the credit |
| 09:00.42 | cityLights | I assume so |
| 09:00.50 | cityLights | havent ever tried it |
| 09:01.05 | cityLights | is this what I need to ask? |
| 09:01.10 | Leeds | no :) |
| 09:01.16 | cityLights | if you can add 60 nis |
| 09:01.23 | Leeds | I will bring my phone, which has wifi hotspot, and a spare phone, which also has it |
| 09:01.24 | cityLights | and get data with it? |
| 09:01.37 | cityLights | ok |
| 09:01.39 | Leeds | no, I'm pretty sure that's how it works |
| 09:02.11 | Leeds | what I would like, if you can... if you go near a kiosk or shop which sells the cards to add credit... to buy me a couple |
| 09:02.36 | cityLights | how much do you need? |
| 09:02.38 | cityLights | 100nis? |
| 09:02.44 | Leeds | at least 60NIS, twice |
| 09:02.49 | cityLights | np |
| 09:02.55 | cityLights | will update |
| 09:02.59 | Leeds | I can send you paypal, or give you cash next month |
| 09:03.12 | cityLights | cash on delivery |
| 09:03.26 | cityLights | I assume the tea will cost more |
| 09:03.30 | Leeds | ah, well... next thing :) |
| 09:03.37 | cityLights | you calimed you use expensive tea... |
| 09:04.04 | Leeds | if you could scratch the card and give me the number *before* I come - then I can activate it when I land, I hope |
| 09:04.07 | morsing | Beer |
| 09:04.18 | cityLights | right |
| 09:04.22 | cityLights | np |
| 09:04.46 | cityLights | hay, I can do the same trick! |
| 09:04.54 | cityLights | buy italy sims from here! |
| 09:04.57 | cityLights | cool |
| 09:05.02 | cityLights | didnt think about it |
| 09:05.34 | Leeds | see 99 NIS package here: http://www.orange.co.il/he-il/cellular/packages/packages/bigtalk_surfcont/ |
| 09:05.53 | Leeds | and information about loading here: http://www.orange.co.il/he-il/cellular/ServicesLobby/big-talk/bigtalk_load/ |
| 09:05.54 | Leeds | :) |
| 09:06.10 | Leeds | my Ivrit is no good now, don't use it enough, can't read Orange's site |
| 09:06.30 | cityLights | Leeds: I will help |
| 09:06.38 | Leeds | thanks |
| 09:06.51 | cityLights | what are you looking to buy with the credit? |
| 09:07.06 | cityLights | GB UMTS PP? |
| 09:07.11 | cityLights | 5GB UMTS PP? |
| 09:07.17 | Leeds | yup |
| 09:07.57 | cityLights | will go and ask the orange branch |
| 09:08.06 | cityLights | its neer cellcom my cellular provider |
| 09:08.24 | cityLights | hope to be there in 5-6 hrs? |
| 09:08.27 | Leeds | ok, thanks |
| 09:08.35 | Leeds | no rush - we won't need it for a month :D |
| 09:08.51 | cityLights | but I can also do iy |
| 09:08.52 | cityLights | it |
| 09:08.58 | cityLights | with rome |
| 09:09.02 | Leeds | of course |
| 09:09.07 | cityLights | sweet |
| 09:09.19 | cityLights | already have a uk and german sims |
| 09:09.21 | Leeds | at home, I have SIM cards from China, Israel, UK, New Zealand and Hong Kong |
| 09:09.31 | cityLights | now will have a italian one |
| 09:10.05 | cityLights | ok, back to working |
| 09:10.08 | cityLights | take care |
| 09:10.12 | Leeds | hey, before you go :) |
| 09:10.19 | cityLights | yes? |
| 09:10.26 | cityLights | got y email? |
| 09:10.28 | cityLights | number? |
| 09:10.39 | cityLights | feel free to ask any favor |
| 09:11.24 | Leeds | no favour, just want to know where and when is good to meet... we're trying to plan a bit of travel, when there is spare time apart from the wedding... |
| 09:11.52 | Leeds | I'm not sure where you live at the moment :) |
| 09:11.59 | cityLights | I can take time off, if you tell me when its convinient for you |
| 09:12.11 | cityLights | I am living in ramat gan |
| 09:12.16 | cityLights | near tel aviv |
| 09:12.20 | Leeds | oh, that's easy if we're in Herzliya |
| 09:12.28 | cityLights | in fact I am working in tel aviv now |
| 09:12.39 | cityLights | like 15-30 min |
| 09:12.46 | Leeds | or maybe meet up on shabbat? |
| 09:12.48 | cityLights | 30 min by bus |
| 09:12.50 | Leeds | I'll have a car, so I can travel |
| 09:12.57 | cityLights | sweet |
| 09:13.07 | cityLights | watch out for parking in tel aviv |
| 09:13.18 | cityLights | but you should use it to go to the dead sea |
| 09:13.36 | cityLights | shabbat is fine by me |
| 09:13.36 | Leeds | yeah... I don't think we're going to spend too much time in tel aviv - going to Jerusalem (also bad), to the dead sea, and up to the kinneret if I can find the time |
| 09:14.03 | cityLights | dead-sea -> kineret? |
| 09:14.09 | Leeds | not in one day! |
| 09:14.11 | cityLights | via the jordan? |
| 09:14.25 | cityLights | got a place to sleep in the dead sea? |
| 09:14.38 | Leeds | either do Jerusalem/Dead Sea one day and Kinneret another day, or do three days |
| 09:14.58 | Leeds | I think we will go back to Herzliya to sleep - got a room in an expensive hotel paid by my parents |
| 09:15.11 | cityLights | hmm |
| 09:15.37 | cityLights | herzeliya->dead sea (via jerusalem) = 8hrs ~ |
| 09:15.56 | cityLights | so back anf forth in one day is very hard |
| 09:16.08 | Leeds | really? |
| 09:16.10 | Leeds | from the traffic? |
| 09:16.47 | cityLights | well I will explian later today |
| 09:16.54 | Leeds | it's not so far - Google says Herzliya to Ein Bokek is 2 hours, via Arad |
| 09:17.07 | cityLights | but after a day like that - you wont want to travel to the kineret |
| 09:17.28 | cityLights | its steep |
| 09:17.40 | cityLights | the way to ein bokek |
| 09:17.51 | cityLights | I would say 3hr |
| 09:17.52 | Leeds | either that, or down to Ein Gedi from Jerusalem |
| 09:17.59 | cityLights | bteer |
| 09:18.04 | cityLights | fas better |
| 09:18.17 | cityLights | far better |
| 09:18.37 | Leeds | down past Jericho |
| 09:18.59 | cityLights | yes |
| 09:19.54 | Leeds | I haven't been to the Dead Sea for a long time... I guess it's not so healthy? |
| 09:20.02 | Leeds | eh, you should go to work, we'll talk later :) thanks |
| 09:26.01 | cityLights | look at the higheet |
| 09:26.08 | cityLights | herzeliya is 0m |
| 09:27.23 | Leeds | I know height, I've lived in Jerusalem, stayed in Herzliya many times, visited the Dead Sea many times, even been up on the Hermon :) |
| 09:27.38 | Leeds | I'm not worried in an air-conditioned car |
| 09:27.58 | cityLights | no |
| 09:28.24 | cityLights | you sould consider that you will travel up to jerusalem then go down to -400m |
| 09:28.46 | cityLights | so the way from jerusalem -> ein gedi is hard |
| 09:28.49 | cityLights | for the driver |
| 09:29.08 | cityLights | but after you get to the jordan |
| 09:29.25 | cityLights | the road is flat from jeriko -> ein gedi |
| 09:29.31 | cityLights | with palm trees |
| 09:29.36 | cityLights | very nice and quite |
| 09:29.48 | Leeds | I admit, I've only traveled that area on the bus - I've driven between Jerusalem, Tel Avi, Netanyah, and up to the Lebanese border :) |
| 09:30.11 | Leeds | I remember when you get down to the flat, there are palm trees |
| 09:31.07 | cityLights | but you would still wan to visit Jerusalem |
| 09:31.22 | cityLights | in which the traffic is bad |
| 09:31.32 | cityLights | so you need to plan it |
| 09:31.38 | cityLights | or a guide! |
| 09:32.02 | Leeds | I think the only problem is time... |
| 09:32.12 | cityLights | right |
| 09:32.31 | Leeds | I can find my way around easily enough, and I don't mind driving... but we don't have a lot of spare time |
| 09:32.48 | Leeds | maybe it does make sense to stay in Jerusalem one night |
| 09:33.14 | cityLights | maybe even visit hevron |
| 09:33.22 | Leeds | ah, no thanks... |
| 09:34.57 | Leeds | go visit the friendly people in Kiryat Arba? |
| 09:35.18 | cityLights | well, I was meaning well |
| 09:35.23 | cityLights | but never mind |
| 09:35.33 | cityLights | Jerusalem is big enougth |
| 09:37.46 | Leeds | as I said, we don't have too much time... and need to keep it relatively simple for Irene... Kotel, Yad Vashem, church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem |
| 09:39.00 | cityLights | I should look for good reasultrants in jerusalem |
| 09:42.07 | Leeds | I just used to go down Ben Yehuda street with the tourists :) |
| 09:45.32 | cityLights | chkout www.timeout.co.il |
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| 11:07.01 | dick_turpin | noons |
| 11:18.41 | cityLights | hi |
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| 14:10.21 | PcSett | moin |
| 14:18.09 | Leeds | evening |
| 14:42.08 | PcSett | Leeds; Just so, sir |
| 14:42.23 | Leeds | how is life treating you? |
| 14:43.06 | PcSett | Leeds; with abandon - a cataract operation by the end of the month. Then we'll see! |
| 14:43.50 | Leeds | ah, took the gf's mum to get one of hers seen to a few weeks ago... she's been moaning about how sensitive her eye is to bright lights, but otherwise she's really chuffed with how clear things are now |
| 14:45.09 | PcSett | Leeds: just what I hear. To be able to see all the clues in the Guardian crossword.again. Even finish the damn thing! |
| 14:47.57 | PcSett | Leeds: having installed a jigdo-obtained Debian 6.0.2 I now wonder about trying some programming, al la python ... |
| 14:48.25 | Leeds | python is a very pleasant language to start with, once you get over the whitespace thing |
| 14:49.54 | PcSett | i've got ubuntu 11.04 running on my other PC (iPlayer giving me the Proms). Whitespace thing? oooer. Enlighten? |
| 14:51.25 | Leeds | most languages use brackets of some sort around blocks of code (i.e. multiple lines) to mark them as a single block, so if for example you're looping over a block, it tells the computer when the loop should start and end |
| 14:51.28 | PcSett | Leeds: sorry - much to learn here. I'll have to find out, won 't I? |
| 14:51.50 | Leeds | python *doesn't* use brackets in that way - just the indentation of the code |
| 14:52.38 | PcSett | Leeds: i'm quite pleaqsed to see that i understand that. as an ex-compositor that indentign will coem easy ... |
| 14:53.12 | Leeds | it tends to drive experienced developers a bit mad - although good coding style pretty much always involves indenting blocks *anyway*, so all you need to do is indent as usual and just skip the brackets |
| 14:56.21 | PcSett | Leeds: I'm pleased to usefully have my first extra-mural Python lesson - my thanks, sir - my only real concern is that such an occupation doesn't closet me too much in front of the VDU, but we'll see. |
| 14:58.37 | Leeds | my pleasure :) |
| 14:59.36 | PcSett | Leeds: Me too sir :-) |
| 15:00.43 | PcSett | 'Bye for now, good people |
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