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| 11:21.06 | ChoHag | "Recent rulings in Europe maintain that for Internet publications, each page view is publication afresh, regardless of how long ago the material was first released." |
| 11:21.19 | ChoHag | [citation needed] but still... |
| 11:22.15 | AndyMillar | o_O |
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| 12:45.10 | dick_turpin | Afternoon |
| 13:50.59 | z00dax | sup |
| 13:51.16 | z00dax | so guys, anyone looking for a mid level sysadmin job in north london ? |
| 13:56.14 | dick_turpin | By North do you mean Birmingham? :-) |
| 13:57.57 | AndyMillar | z00dax: that almost looks interesting :p |
| 13:58.29 | AndyMillar | not enough desktop real estate though ;) |
| 14:12.19 | z00dax | AndyMillar: look at it this way - no desktop systems of in-office equipment to maintain ( I should add that to the description ) |
| 14:12.26 | z00dax | s/of i/or i/ |
| 14:13.01 | z00dax | I convinced management sometime back that we should not hire people who dont know howto use computers :D |
| 14:19.06 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 14:19.43 | AndyMillar | that said, I actually quite like that :p |
| 14:19.47 | AndyMillar | it's a good way to get to know people |
| 14:20.46 | AndyMillar | which is especially useful when you're trying to get them to do something for you |
| 14:47.05 | z00dax | no problems on that front, since the developers are always breaking stuff on the production servers |
| 14:48.12 | mindbendr | z00dax: what's the salary like? :) |
| 14:48.26 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 14:48.42 | z00dax | they are budgetting 35k to 40k, prolly will consider going up a bit more |
| 14:48.42 | AndyMillar | mindbendr: 35-40k according to the mailing list |
| 14:48.58 | z00dax | plus, there is a 5% bonus ( in pension ) |
| 14:50.08 | mindbendr | it's like a carnage out there |
| 14:50.12 | mindbendr | cisco, redhat all hiring |
| 14:50.30 | z00dax | thats true, there are lots of job options out there at the moment. |
| 14:51.00 | z00dax | I think the cool factor in this specific role is going to be that its a small company and everyone gets to have a say and stay involved ( specially the infra guy, since its a web shop ) |
| 14:51.13 | mindbendr | i recommend the cisco job tho, the manager is a friend who offered me the job a few times, it was just below my expectations. |
| 14:51.33 | z00dax | cisco work will be a very different sort of a ball game |
| 14:51.40 | mindbendr | z00dax: why's that |
| 14:52.09 | mindbendr | it's not cisco in that sense afaik, they do content filtering for corps. |
| 14:52.13 | z00dax | you are unlikely to be in shots and flipflops playing rounders on hamstead heath on a nice summers day working for cisco |
| 14:52.43 | mindbendr | lol |
| 14:52.45 | mindbendr | fair enough |
| 14:52.52 | mindbendr | that's why I didn't go there! |
| 14:53.52 | dick_turpin | If only I was not up hear I'd be tempted to email Red Hat they did a crazy open email on linuxjobs basically saying "Email us and we'll see if we've got anything you can do." |
| 14:54.10 | dick_turpin | s/hear/here |
| 14:54.26 | z00dax | dick_turpin: redhat hire people anywhere in the world, to work from wherever they are. if you are interested in doing something with them - email them |
| 14:54.37 | z00dax | very few of the redhat guys I know actually go into an office |
| 14:54.42 | z00dax | and i do know a fair few |
| 14:54.50 | AndyMillar | z00dax: I suspect you all wear tshirts to work too :p |
| 14:55.44 | z00dax | pretty much, its quite casual. As long it doesnt get to tramp'r'us, its all good. Plus nice catered for lunch on Friday |
| 14:56.18 | AndyMillar | doesn't own tshirts :-p |
| 14:57.09 | z00dax | we had a dress up wednesday for a few months, I wrote a suit in for those :D |
| 14:57.41 | z00dax | wore even |
| 14:58.22 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Trouble is I hear the head of Sales makes Himmler look like a puppy and I doubt there's much else I could do which is a real shame. |
| 14:58.40 | dick_turpin | I only know three people at Red Hat. :-( |
| 15:12.17 | mindbendr | z00dax: redhat pays dead low salary tho :D |
| 15:12.46 | z00dax | dunno about that |
| 15:12.47 | mindbendr | and nobody speaks to each other and all the geeks tell each other off at internal irc |
| 15:13.15 | z00dax | really ? sounds great. as long as there is merit in the conversation and not just hot air blowing |
| 15:13.25 | mindbendr | the exams are for free tho for the certs, that's the bright side. good coffee and snacks in the kitchen |
| 15:14.03 | mindbendr | they are based in farnborough tho, it's a good reason for not working there :) |
| 15:14.30 | mindbendr | and they mostly to internal sysadmin stuff, that's also not fun always. |
| 15:14.33 | mindbendr | *do |
| 15:14.52 | mindbendr | all in all, it's a good company I guess. |
| 15:16.10 | dick_turpin | mindbendr: My mate Ade Bradshaw loves it. Plus he seems to travel all round Europe with them. |
| 15:16.48 | mindbendr | dick_turpin: he's not a sysadmin I take it :) |
| 15:17.05 | dick_turpin | No he's a trainer |
| 15:17.12 | mindbendr | at my limited time there, i could only travel between the desk,server room and the kitchen. |
| 15:18.48 | mindbendr | still, it's good to see linux sysadmin roles are blooming. |
| 15:19.01 | mindbendr | and we are looking for a junior/mid sysadmin too. |
| 15:19.13 | dick_turpin | Why did you leave? |
| 15:19.49 | mindbendr | dick_turpin: circumtances, I was studying by then so I only had part-time work permit. After that, I started to earn more money and decided not to work for corps. |
| 15:22.29 | dick_turpin | And yet most people I talk to either want to work for Red Hat or Canonical. Mind you 40% of the original membership of wolveslug now works for canonical |
| 15:22.51 | dick_turpin | Proving the dictum "It's not what you know but who you know." |
| 15:23.11 | mindbendr | If I was a geek, I'd be super happy there. I'm afraid I'm not, that only brings me misery :) |
| 15:23.47 | mindbendr | I've got great respect to that company tho, i've learnt *a lot* there. |
| 15:24.20 | mindbendr | I think it's a good place to learn the linux technologies then move on to a better life. |
| 15:25.00 | mindbendr | Besides, it temptes the recruitment agencies when they see it on the Cv. |
| 15:25.58 | dick_turpin | I bet |
| 15:26.06 | mindbendr | we have been battling with the brand new not properly working air conditioning in the last 10 months. That you wouldn't have in a corporate. |
| 15:26.10 | mindbendr | it's frigging freeizing. |
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| 16:10.22 | ChoHag | So, nmap kills the kernel. |
| 18:55.35 | ChoHag | Oh good god she won't stop talking. |
| 18:56.43 | ChoHag | Apparently she didn't have time to prepare bottles or make dinner but was able to yak with all her friends and make macaroons. Badly. |
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