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| 10:47.15 | gregj | anyone wanna do android dev in london for ~£30k ? (graduate sort of level) ? Lemme know |
| 11:17.12 | AndyMillar | gregj: got any more details, i know a why who might be interested (he's currently a dev for a voip company) |
| 11:37.47 | gregj | give me that guy's email, I'll email him details |
| 11:38.04 | gregj | "I'm looking for a Developer with strong C++ And iOS Development skills, to help develop a new music app for a company in Central London." |
| 11:38.19 | gregj | it's an app for ios actually and they need to make it running on android |
| 11:48.44 | AndyMillar | gregj: kk, getting info |
| 13:01.42 | gregj | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21470205 |
| 13:01.43 | gregj | amazing |
| 13:03.52 | Leeds | it's all the fault of the gays |
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| 13:05.11 | Leeds | actually, the Russian government are claiming they shot it down |
| 13:05.21 | gregj | gays and jews |
| 13:05.22 | gregj | ;> |
| 13:05.23 | gregj | hides |
| 13:05.27 | Leeds | quite right |
| 13:05.28 | Armand | O.o |
| 13:05.43 | gregj | and poles of course |
| 13:05.48 | Leeds | I knew a few gay Jews - boy, do they have a lot of natural disasters to take responsibility for |
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| 13:06.25 | Leeds | I thought the poles were responsible for the economy, and the Romanians for the horses? |
| 13:06.40 | gregj | turns out both are local :-) |
| 13:07.05 | gregj | I didn't follow that news too much, cos it became boring |
| 13:07.30 | gregj | but I was under impression they did some random checks at local british butchers, and source was here rather then abroad |
| 13:07.37 | dick_turpin | Leeds: No it was the fooking French as per usual. |
| 13:07.48 | Leeds | essentially, anywhere you see "beef" you should read "Eastern European Horse", unless you heard it mooing yourself |
| 13:07.53 | Leeds | that's how I understand it |
| 13:08.20 | gregj | altho I wouldn't touch any meat coming from poland with a barge pole |
| 13:08.38 | Leeds | ha ha, barge 'pole' ;) |
| 13:09.08 | Armand | In your endo.... |
| 13:09.32 | dick_turpin | You've got to use a pole. The horse that pulled the barge has disappeared? |
| 13:09.34 | Leeds | most of the meat here comes from China - with all that entails - but I don't eat it, for religious reasons :) |
| 13:11.13 | gregj | Leeds: well, maybe it was the jews then. Replacing beef with horse meat |
| 13:11.19 | gregj | for religious reasons |
| 13:11.25 | Leeds | horse is never kosher... |
| 13:11.31 | gregj | oh |
| 13:11.43 | gregj | uses only real excuses not to eat stuff |
| 13:11.52 | Leeds | neither is snake, which is quite popular here as a warming winter food |
| 13:12.16 | gregj | eating in china must be a gamble |
| 13:12.29 | Leeds | when I say 'warming' - daytime temps are still peaking in the mid-20s at the moment, so it's not like much warming is needed |
| 13:12.41 | gregj | it's probably like buying anything designed and made in china, you never know what it was really made of |
| 13:12.42 | Leeds | veggie, veggie, veggie - and junk food |
| 13:13.02 | gregj | it's 9 here in Belfast |
| 13:13.18 | gregj | actually pretty nice day |
| 13:16.13 | Leeds | at 9pm they're still reporting 19C |
| 13:22.45 | morsing | Leeds: Why not kosher horse? |
| 13:23.12 | Leeds | doesn't meet the criteria |
| 13:24.29 | morsing | ...Criteria? |
| 13:24.31 | gregj | and like any religious criteria, they are not very clear anyway |
| 13:24.41 | gregj | I wonder why did they made them up |
| 13:24.49 | Leeds | actually, in this case they are pretty clear |
| 13:24.51 | gregj | was beef and so on so bad to cook and prepare at the time |
| 13:25.40 | gregj | cos I'm sure this was all just a folk wisdom with cautionary tale dressed up nicely, but had to have at least some grain of validity at the time |
| 13:25.43 | Leeds | some things are never kosher - e.g. pig, horse - some things always are - e.g. fruit, most fish - some things can be, if they're slaughtered/prepared/etc correctly - e.g. beef, chicken... |
| 13:26.29 | Leeds | yup, there's a good argument that says that pigmeat and shellfish weren't safe to preserve, so for nomads it was better just not to eat them |
| 13:27.42 | gregj | yeah, but times have changed. We now have far better understanding of things, and science actually isn't treated as a witchcraft anymore. |
| 13:27.51 | gregj | So that begs a question, why bother anymore ? |
| 13:28.15 | Leeds | tradition... |
| 13:28.32 | Leeds | or to put it another way - we do it because it's what we do |
| 13:29.13 | gregj | it's your right to do whatever the hell you want. Like mine to ask questions and be curious :-) |
| 13:29.18 | Leeds | sure |
| 13:29.41 | Leeds | I'm not particularly trying to defend anything - just saying how it is :) |
| 13:29.56 | gregj | christians have this thing, where they don't eat any other meat then fish on fridays. Which is peculiar too |
| 13:30.23 | gregj | I wonder why |
| 13:30.34 | gregj | maybe no one liked fish, and they were forcing folk to eat it every week |
| 13:31.35 | Leeds | I suspect it's the other way around - the rule isn't "only fish", it's "no beef/chicken/goat/horse/etc" |
| 13:31.46 | gregj | could be |
| 13:32.03 | gregj | i just remember it from childhood, as I was brought up christian |
| 13:32.17 | gregj | (and apparently good material for priest...) |
| 13:32.57 | gregj | anyway... |
| 13:33.29 | Leeds | well, there are different sorts of priests - not all are local pastors... an investigative brain can make for a good theologian |
| 13:34.13 | gregj | which is the way I went, finding no logic in all that anyway :-) |
| 13:35.03 | Armand | gregj, my gf is a christian, but she doesn't eat fish. :P |
| 13:35.22 | Leeds | incidentally, I'm watching a BBC show called The Genius of Invention - it's quite funny, they've got a 'presenter', and two scientists - one of whom happens to be a geeky guy, one a cute girl |
| 13:35.55 | gregj | on iplayer ? |
| 13:36.18 | gregj | Armand: I had a christian gf, but after half a year she turned out to be the biggest lier and two face c*** I ever knew |
| 13:36.26 | gregj | all in the name of good relationship and god |
| 13:36.32 | Leeds | yup, it's on iplayer |
| 13:37.00 | gregj | it's actually funny, cos most guys I worked with in the past that were biggest two (ph)faced bastards, turned out to be devoted religious folk |
| 13:37.07 | gregj | (and of course you can't talk about that shit at work, so I had no idea) |
| 13:38.42 | gregj | my theory is, that because I believe this whole thing to be made up, and illogical, lacking any rules in reality - people are trying to fit in their own mental disorders and issues around the whole thing, believing that as long as they do the 'religious' stuff and explain it with gods and stuff - it's ok to do so |
| 13:38.45 | Armand | Well, I can't really say anything for your experience. :/ |
| 13:39.13 | gregj | plus, no fucking before marriage was rather frustrating for me, as she was also very hot |
| 13:39.23 | Armand | I already know her well.. including her foibles and contradictions. |
| 13:39.26 | gregj | but that was just a minor detail |
| 13:39.33 | Armand | Ohh.. no worries there. :P |
| 13:40.33 | gregj | actually it was 9-10 months I put up with her. Love is blind... |
| 13:40.50 | Armand | I can say, she's pretty down-to-earth and realistic.. she's not 'absorbed' in her beliefs. |
| 13:41.04 | Armand | She is actually willing to question the beliefs and the bible. |
| 13:41.09 | gregj | sounds like she's a part time believer |
| 13:41.25 | Armand | That seems like a fair assessment to me. |
| 13:41.32 | gregj | the girl I was dating was a proper religious person |
| 13:41.54 | Armand | Ohh, believe me.. if she were that far up her own arse about it all, I'd walk away. |
| 13:41.57 | gregj | personally I believe that you either believe and do the full thing, or not. There should be no middle ground. |
| 13:42.10 | gregj | mind you I was brought up christian |
| 13:42.15 | gregj | and I always treat everything I do seriuosly |
| 13:42.25 | gregj | so it was my way of trying it again |
| 13:42.29 | Armand | IMO.. If you believe, at least be able to understand *what* you beleive. |
| 13:42.47 | gregj | there's no logic in religion, so it cannot be understood |
| 13:42.48 | gregj | ;) |
| 13:42.50 | Armand | lol |
| 13:43.05 | Armand | Not so much in the logic.. but, the origins and principles. |
| 13:43.16 | Armand | Like.... Why the fuck don't jews/muslims eat pork ? |
| 13:43.22 | Armand | How does that make sense ? |
| 13:43.53 | gregj | ever since I was old enough to have my own thoughts and questions, I would ask people around me - about religion and logic of it. I got no answers other then , 'because god ....' |
| 13:43.57 | morsing | Armand: Christians shouldn't either as it says in the bible not to |
| 13:44.02 | morsing | They just ignore it |
| 13:44.03 | Armand | Sure, 2000-some years ago, when they didn't have the same regulations and understanding.. |
| 13:44.09 | Armand | It's a crock. |
| 13:44.10 | gregj | Armand: well, it does - like Leeds said, there was some practical reason for it |
| 13:44.15 | Armand | Such as ? |
| 13:44.27 | gregj | so iin order to force folk to do shit certain way, you had to make things up, including punishment |
| 13:44.36 | gregj | so yo uhad to say, don't go that alley, or they will rape you |
| 13:44.41 | Armand | I mean, sure... if a slaughter-house is dirty.. the meat will be dirty. |
| 13:44.48 | Armand | Doesn't matter WHAT that meat is. |
| 13:44.56 | gregj | Armand: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368447/ |
| 13:45.10 | Armand | But, why the fuck pick on pork? |
| 13:45.20 | gregj | there was no science back then |
| 13:45.31 | Armand | Did some arsehole decide he didn't like the taste, so no-one else should eat it? |
| 13:45.44 | gregj | so if someone had a made up belief, and they were stupid enough to stick to it, but powerful enough to influence others - it would stsay on |
| 13:45.53 | Armand | pfft |
| 13:46.11 | Armand | She won't eat pork... simply because she doesn't like it. |
| 13:46.17 | Armand | But, she KNOWS I will.. |
| 13:46.21 | gregj | observe kids sometimes, 8-12 year olds |
| 13:46.41 | Armand | They will follow the crowd |
| 13:46.44 | gregj | they do have made up believes, and they usually will refuse to do against it, despite not having logic behind it |
| 13:47.17 | gregj | back then, there was no science, if you were critically minded, you were expelled, treated like a crazy, or witch |
| 13:47.34 | gregj | so nobody liked to question stubborn idiots |
| 13:47.36 | Armand | Hell.. I am crazy, in my head. :P |
| 13:47.40 | gregj | everyone is |
| 13:47.41 | gregj | ;] |
| 13:47.45 | Armand | Yarp |
| 13:47.46 | gregj | anyway, back to work |
| 13:47.52 | Armand | Yes.... crap.. |
| 13:47.54 | gregj | whips |
| 13:47.58 | Armand | I need to start getting ready. |
| 13:48.01 | Armand | lol |
| 13:48.28 | morsing | Christians can't eat pork, shellfish or snake either |
| 13:51.53 | Armand | Sod(omite) that. :P |
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