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| 11:01.27 | ChoHag | Fucking open source fucking 'support'. |
| 11:01.40 | ChoHag | Not even 3 complete questions before "What are you trying to do?" |
| 11:01.51 | ChoHag | aka "You're doing it wrong." |
| 11:49.58 | morsing | OpenSource just doesn't work. When will people learn |
| 12:06.51 | wethrin | Yes, Postfix is such a terrible mailserver. And Apache such a terrible web server. etc. etc. :) |
| 12:19.24 | morsing | Indeed |
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| 13:18.25 | ChoHag | So apparently sudo has the shittest command string parsing routine known to man. |
| 13:23.00 | dick_turpin | morsing: Why is electricity lethal to carbon based lifeforms? |
| 13:24.15 | morsing | dick_turpin: Because it uses electricity to control muscles and as signalling within the brain |
| 13:26.07 | dick_turpin | morsing: So what you're saying is if you had all your muscles removed you can survive shoving a screwdriver in the plug socket? |
| 13:26.44 | morsing | Something like that |
| 13:28.04 | dick_turpin | morsing: Please try it and send photos |
| 13:28.32 | morsing | Weirdo |
| 13:28.46 | morsing | dick_turpin: Someone already trying it in the Tate |
| 13:29.15 | dick_turpin | I don't use sugar? |
| 13:33.59 | ChoHag | wtf! I don't think centos understand what 'minimal' means. |
| 13:35.24 | ChoHag | The minimal distribution includes support for bridged networks, lvm, firewall, ssh, email and software raid. |
| 13:35.34 | ChoHag | And that's just what's considered 'Most Important'. |
| 13:36.07 | ChoHag | At least I assume so. Their documentation is quite minimal. There's just a list of packages under the title 'Most Important Packages and Applications'. |
| 13:37.00 | morsing | ? I don't understand, are you complaining they have too much or too little included in minimal? |
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| 17:22.06 | toxboi | Is there any disadvantage of mounting NFS using intr option? |
| 17:22.24 | toxboi | One of the server is strangely behaving where NFS becomes unavailable (probably a NIC issue) and we need to hard reboot the server. |
| 17:23.42 | toxboi | I'm trying to diagnose it but can't do much as the system becomes unstable (yes unfortunately many things are dependent of NFS). |
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| 17:59.38 | morsing | toxboi: Which kernel? I believe intr is no longer supported, how ever, it is definitely the way to go, and no, there are no disadvantages |
| 17:59.52 | morsing | toxboi: The Linux crowd are just morons... |
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| 20:36.18 | toxboi | morsing: It is 2.6.32-28-server #55-Ubuntu x86_64 |
| 20:37.43 | toxboi | I suppose intr is supported until 2.6.25 but maybe Ubuntu backported it. I will looking into tomorrow. |
| 20:38.28 | toxboi | s/looking into/look in to it |
| 21:21.30 | ChoHag | Should I abandon discs and go with SSDs throughout? |
| 21:21.54 | ChoHag | At home, where I can afford to make my computer an extension of my ego. |
| 21:23.21 | wethrin | If you want fast access at a price, yes |
| 21:23.34 | wethrin | My laptop's SSD, and it's made it usable |
| 21:25.08 | ChoHag | Oh I know. I have an SSD in the laptop. |
| 21:25.31 | ChoHag | Had. I need to shuffle drives around. |
| 21:25.51 | wethrin | You should make yourself an HFS |
| 21:25.56 | ChoHag | But one disc in this machine has failed so I'm going to replace it along with the rest of the aging array. |
| 21:26.22 | ChoHag | The so-called-nas is already scheduled for replacement ASATAF. |
| 21:26.48 | wethrin | As Soon As something? |
| 21:26.52 | ChoHag | there are funds |
| 21:27.08 | wethrin | Aha |
| 21:27.32 | ChoHag | Specifically, funds for playing. |
| 21:27.53 | ChoHag | Also I kind of made myself complete my automation system before I bought it so that I could use it to build it. |
| 21:28.03 | ChoHag | And that's still not done. |
| 21:28.06 | wethrin | So grab a handful of 2TB drives, RAID them up. Get a couple of SSDs, RAID-1 them together, stick them as an HFS front |
| 21:28.18 | wethrin | Let your filesystem contain awesomeness |
| 21:28.24 | ChoHag | Right, yes, which particular HFS are you referring to? |
| 21:29.14 | ChoHag | What does HFS mean? |
| 21:29.52 | wethrin | Hierarchical File Store |
| 21:30.10 | wethrin | as oppose to the Mac's filesystem |
| 21:30.45 | ChoHag | Yeah I didn't think you meant that. |
| 21:30.55 | wethrin | no, that'd be a bit pointless |
| 21:31.03 | ChoHag | The only other thing google suggested was http file system, which didn't seem as profound as you seemed to be implying. |
| 21:31.07 | ChoHag | Also seems icky. |
| 21:31.29 | ChoHag | Anyway I'm not doing that. I'm just fixing the desktop. |
| 21:32.43 | ChoHag | What sort of characteristics would a mixed disc/ssd array have> |
| 21:33.02 | ChoHag | The naively hoped-for fast-read and slow-but-cached-write? |
| 21:37.06 | wethrin | Assuming read is appropriately cached |
| 21:37.20 | wethrin | It depends how clever your HFS algorithms are |
| 21:37.33 | wethrin | Whether it copies data vaguely intelligently onto the fast disks in the background |
| 21:38.15 | wethrin | Okay, it looks like HSM is the more correct term |
| 21:38.22 | wethrin | Hierarchical Storage Management |
| 21:39.53 | wethrin | http://ohsm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:39.54 | ChoHag | Where can you actually get decent hard drives these days? |
| 21:40.54 | wethrin | You don't. You just get more of them. |
| 21:40.59 | wethrin | Well, define decent |
| 21:41.06 | ChoHag | Hah! |
| 21:41.44 | wethrin | I think I've got some Hitachi Deskstars in my fileserver |
| 21:41.49 | wethrin | Not sure what I put into work's fileserver |
| 21:41.55 | wethrin | Possibly Seagates |
| 21:42.50 | wethrin | Yes, Seagates |
| 21:42.59 | wethrin | They are all currently working |
| 21:45.34 | wethrin | So at home, I've got 5 drives in RAIDZ2 |
| 21:45.42 | wethrin | At work, it's a ZFS mirror |
| 21:46.09 | ChoHag | zfs will be on the not-a-nas. |
| 21:46.33 | ChoHag | This will not I think. In this incarnation I tried out zfs for the bulk of the disc but it didn't work out well. |
| 21:46.37 | ChoHag | Also pointless. |
| 21:52.17 | wethrin | ZFS contains awesome |
| 22:10.15 | ChoHag | Yes but this box doesn't have enough discs and I don't want/see the point in fucking about to get / on zfs. |
| 22:10.29 | ChoHag | (If it's built into the OS properly, fine) |
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