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| 09:11.03 | ChoHag | Bloody hell a croissant is not supped to require chewing until your jaws ache. |
| 09:18.44 | ChoHag | This country's shit. |
| 09:19.55 | ChoHag | Invent the train - get British Rail. |
| 09:20.01 | ChoHag | Build the concorde - get prissy about it. |
| 09:20.58 | ChoHag | Design a plane capable of dropping payloads in space again and again - don't even bother to build it. |
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| 10:00.06 | ChoHag | 4026 emails in the first week, including 14 (from internal services) placed in the junk folder. |
| 10:00.48 | ChoHag | And yet I have already been asked why I'm not reading email. |
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| 13:25.59 | ChoHag | I installed this box with an encrypted drive 6 days ago according to uptime. |
| 13:26.03 | ChoHag | Can't remember the password. |
| 13:44.41 | toxboi | ChoHag: Is it an encrypted lvm? |
| 13:45.38 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 13:45.40 | ChoHag | LUKS |
| 13:45.55 | ChoHag | I'm sure there's a command to add/change a key. |
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| 15:29.31 | ChoHag | Fucking idiots. |
| 15:29.43 | ChoHag | "... because that's twice now where your script has trampled over the files." |
| 15:29.58 | ChoHag | "Yes, because I asked $boss for a test environment 3 times and was told 3 times to test it in production." |
| 15:35.46 | AndyMillar | surely you test with some debugging first? |
| 15:41.32 | ChoHag | As much as I can. |
| 15:41.51 | ChoHag | On Debian, whereupon it gets installed into Solaris to be executed. |
| 15:42.43 | ChoHag | Including ssh (as root, naturally) to complete execution on more hosts. |
| 15:44.09 | Armand | ChoHag: Anyone that asks you to do dev on a live site is a fucking moron, end of. |
| 15:44.24 | ChoHag | Oh there's no doubt about that. |
| 15:44.31 | Armand | Hence, I have 3 hosting accounts.. including a VDS. ;) |
| 15:44.59 | ChoHag | He's the same guy who's response to a bunch of (non-locking) cron jobs and the backup fighting for the unclustered database was to suggest disabling the backup. |
| 15:45.13 | Armand | O_O |
| 15:45.18 | ChoHag | But he's been here 9 years, so clearly he Knows His Shit. |
| 15:45.20 | Armand | Bloody hell.. |
| 15:45.34 | Armand | "Knows he's shit" would be more appropriate.. ? |
| 15:45.42 | ChoHag | Ah if only he did. |
| 15:45.52 | ChoHag | Also lol. |
| 15:48.34 | Armand | I tend to use subdomains for testing, as they are easy to set up on our hosting platforms and don't cost me anything. ^_^ |
| 15:49.14 | Armand | All of my hosting accounts are free, including the VDS, but I pay for my domain registrations. |
| 15:49.41 | ChoHag | Just to really place it, I am writing a script to create users on 3 boxes which run proftpd with an NFS back-end (on a NetApp). |
| 15:50.01 | Armand | Sounds like fun. |
| 15:50.20 | Armand | Not something I ever handle.. The Directors could do that in their sleep. :P |
| 15:53.38 | ChoHag | I suggested ldap but they fear the unknown. |
| 15:53.54 | ChoHag | That it's already in place is immaterial. |
| 15:54.31 | Armand | Is $boss's name Derp Derpington? |
| 16:05.23 | ChoHag | I always find it amusing that people think longevity in their role is a good thing and not, say, a sign of their incompetence. |
| 16:05.40 | ChoHag | "I've been here 9 years" == "I've been unable/unwilling to improve for 9 years" |
| 16:10.00 | ChoHag | How do you test the process of creating a qtree, appending to a (remote) vfstab and mounting the directory when you have 1 production environment and 1 SAN. |
| 16:10.13 | ChoHag | Especially given that the correct answer is: "Don't, you're doing it wrong." |
| 16:40.20 | ChoHag | Well that's done. All that remains is to test it. |
| 16:40.48 | ChoHag | And by done, I mean oh god what have I done. |
| 16:42.08 | ChoHag | Friday. 20 to 5. Nowhere to test but production. |
| 16:42.21 | ChoHag | And I'm a contractor so I'm standing up and leaving at 1730 on the dot. |
| 16:42.29 | ChoHag | bahahaha |
| 16:48.38 | Armand | ChoHag: Create your own test environment to duplicate the client set up? |
| 16:49.14 | ChoHag | Not being paid to do that. |
| 16:50.26 | Armand | Indeed, but as a Dev guy (I assume) surely you'd have some toys to test with? |
| 16:51.48 | ChoHag | I'm here as ops, not dev, altough they think that by using the term 'devops' in conversation with me that it will affect something. |
| 16:51.50 | ChoHag | And regardless - no. I don't. |
| 16:51.58 | Armand | :/ |
| 16:52.21 | Armand | To be fair, I don't have much in the way of practice systems.. but then, I'm in Support. :P |
| 16:53.12 | ChoHag | I could build as many practice systems as I feel the urge to, since I'm not an idiot and have kvm. |
| 16:53.22 | ChoHag | But I'm not being paid to do that. |
| 16:53.36 | Armand | Ohh, I wouldn't suggest you were.. Just seems prudent to me. |
| 16:53.45 | ChoHag | My arse is covered, they have been offered the benefit of my experience and chose to reject it. |
| 16:53.51 | ChoHag | Fuck 'em. |
| 16:53.55 | Armand | lol |
| 16:55.02 | ChoHag | And leaving my daughter in tears every morning solely because they don't understand any idea beyond having an arse in a seat doesn't help my attitude towards these idiots. |
| 16:55.18 | Armand | :( |
| 16:58.02 | Armand | I have an extreme dislike of morons and those inconsiderate pricks who think they are the only ones who matter/know how things should be done. |
| 16:58.19 | Armand | To be frank, if they are so clued up in how EVERY fucking thing works.. THEY CAN DO IT! |
| 16:58.24 | ChoHag | Like the stand-in-for-$boss next to me? |
| 16:58.43 | ChoHag | He spent an hour the other morning effectively extolling the virtues of programming. |
| 16:58.48 | ChoHag | "The computer can just go off and do it!" |
| 16:58.52 | Armand | "stand-in" = poor mug that got "delegated" ? |
| 16:58.52 | ChoHag | No shit. |
| 16:59.02 | ChoHag | He's got tenure. |
| 16:59.09 | ChoHag | The 9-year guy. |
| 16:59.28 | Armand | Oohhh.. The "Can't be arsed to fire him" guy? lol |
| 17:00.50 | Armand | 'We acknowledge that you've out-lived your usefulness, but it will cost us too much to make you redundant' |
| 17:01.21 | ChoHag | Worse. They do not realise he has out-lived his usefulness. |
| 17:02.18 | Armand | Oh geezsus |
| 17:03.08 | ChoHag | "He's been here 9 years, obviously much vital daily knowledge of the systems must reside only in his head." |
| 17:03.27 | ChoHag | Which is true, except that none of it would require much in the way of investigation to discover. |
| 17:03.47 | Armand | Or, just change all the things! .o/ |
| 17:04.18 | ChoHag | Well yes, That would be better. |
| 17:11.26 | Armand | I'm so glad I don't do dev or SysOps.. |
| 17:11.35 | Armand | We have teams for both. :) |
| 17:16.21 | ChoHag | Hmm. Can't add a passphrase to a luks partition without unlocking the key with the old one. |
| 17:20.27 | AndyMillar | 15:44:30 < Armand> Hence, I have 3 hosting accounts.. including a VDS. ;) |
| 17:20.34 | AndyMillar | ^^ I have a rack ;) |
| 17:22.02 | Armand | Nice. :) |
| 17:22.20 | ChoHag | Well sod it. Sync $HOME to Home:$HOME and rebuild if/when the cleaner hits the power. |
| 17:22.21 | Armand | I have a server, but it's waiting on the DC to be completed. |
| 17:23.03 | Armand | I'm reasonably sure we're just waiting on the network to be wired up. |
| 17:24.51 | AndyMillar | Armand: why not? (Dev|Sys)Ops is fun ;) |
| 17:27.33 | Armand | I don't do code. :P |
| 17:28.10 | AndyMillar | I just write everything in "the one true language(tm)" |
| 17:31.52 | Armand | I can't be arsed with code, I don't even want to learn PHP. :P |
| 17:31.56 | Armand | I may have to though. |
| 17:42.59 | AndyMillar | the one true language is bash! |
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| 18:50.50 | ChoHag | That's a funny way to spell perl. |
| 18:56.36 | Armand | That's a funny way to say "I R no coder!" :P |
| 18:58.04 | ChoHag | If you can direct a computer with words rather than (or in addition to) a mouse, you can programme. |
| 18:58.57 | ChoHag | Because you do exactly that every time you type something. |
| 19:01.01 | Armand | So, if I shout at it enough.. I r programming ? |
| 19:01.04 | Armand | lol |
| 19:01.29 | ChoHag | Even more than if you're typing. |
| 19:01.40 | Armand | Rar! |
| 19:01.53 | ChoHag | The more expletives, the more effective. |
| 19:02.04 | Armand | But, seriously though.. for any coding related projects, I'd just pass it to our dev guys. ;) |
| 19:03.58 | ChoHag | Well yes. |
| 19:04.19 | Armand | Thankfully I have no such requirements. |
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