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| 07:03.37 | ChoHag | Alan Rusbridger said: "In stuff that was transmitted we did some cleaning up but we did not clean up every one of the 58,000 documents." |
| 07:03.40 | ChoHag | Mark Reckless MP asked the journalist: "Can I ask why you did not redact those names?" |
| 07:03.43 | ChoHag | Mr Rusbridger replied: "There were 58,000 documents." |
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| 10:27.21 | hackfu | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/10485281/Operate-on-this-mother-so-that-we-can-take-her-baby.html |
| 10:27.23 | hackfu | wtf? |
| 10:28.23 | hackfu | I went through a number of reports on this story and I didnt find any kind of denial of it from authorities whatsoever. |
| 10:33.02 | morsing | Denials? |
| 10:38.57 | hackfu | Right, so its probably a true story |
| 10:44.59 | morsing | Not probably, it is |
| 10:45.29 | morsing | It's standard procedure done in the best interest of the chilsd |
| 10:45.31 | morsing | child |
| 10:46.53 | hackfu | Standard procedure? |
| 10:46.58 | hackfu | oh dear |
| 10:49.05 | hackfu | I didnt imagine its standard procedure to take a person and perform a medical surgery on them unknowingly. |
| 11:06.01 | morsing | Satndard procedure under the circumstances, yes. Not on random people |
| 11:06.11 | morsing | Standard |
| 11:20.54 | hali | i agree with morsing |
| 11:21.30 | hali | whats better? bit of surgery or a dead baby? |
| 11:35.13 | hackfu | Since when do doctors perform surgery, thats not urgent, without the patients consent (or in cases of inability) with guardians' consent? |
| 11:35.29 | hackfu | "do not harm" is the first law in medical ethics. |
| 11:37.48 | hackfu | This whole story is completely insane. |
| 11:41.34 | hali | i doubt anything i add to this conversation will be considering les than facist |
| 11:44.11 | hackfu | Nah. |
| 11:44.32 | hackfu | It just seems at first a rather dystopian scifi story |
| 11:45.02 | hackfu | unworthy of a democracy such as yours. |
| 11:45.38 | hackfu | forced surgery and separation of a mother from her child is kinda nightmarish |
| 11:46.00 | hackfu | I think its going to be extremely difficult to defend this in courts |
| 11:46.50 | Venerable_Leeds | I think courts all over the world have the right to separate a mother and her child if it's felt to be in the best interests of the child - this is obviously an extreme case of that, but it's the same principle |
| 11:47.38 | ChoHag | While that may be true, if the cost to implement that is that even one child is removed from his or her parents when it is *not* in the child's best interests, then the system has failed entirely. |
| 11:48.29 | ChoHag | In other words, I would rather 100 murderers on the street than 1 innocent person in jail. |
| 11:48.50 | ChoHag | And I think we all know on which side of the line we can trust the state to lie. |
| 11:49.29 | ChoHag | I would like to see anyobe say otherwise when it is them caught up in the beaurocratic bungle and their child about whom "the computer says no". |
| 11:49.37 | hackfu | Well, I hope there is more to this. |
| 11:49.42 | hackfu | Because at first blush it seems horrible. |
| 11:49.49 | wethrin | I suspect there's more to it than that |
| 11:50.02 | ChoHag | More incompetent beaurocrats? |
| 11:50.05 | ChoHag | Undoubtedly. |
| 11:50.17 | ChoHag | No I can't spell that word. It's French. |
| 11:50.29 | wethrin | Well, that too |
| 11:51.04 | morsing | hackfu: I douubt the papers tell you an accurate picture - they just want a sensational story so people get outraged and buy the paper |
| 11:51.11 | wethrin | I can't see that just being bipolar and on medication would be enough to take someone into a psychiatric hospital |
| 11:51.31 | wethrin | Unless there was real evidence of potential damage being done to the unborn child. And that's the bit that's missing from the story |
| 11:51.33 | morsing | wethrin: She had stopped taking her medication, that was the first problem |
| 11:51.54 | wethrin | morsing: Yes, but that by itself shouldn't be enough |
| 11:52.22 | ChoHag | morsing: Yeah but you're idiotic. |
| 11:52.40 | ChoHag | Of course a slightly nutty women can be checked into a psych ward. |
| 11:52.59 | ChoHag | For fuck's sake it was only about 50 years ago that we recognised that hysteria wasn't a medical condition. |
| 11:53.17 | ChoHag | "Horny? Must be insane. Chp her womb out." |
| 11:56.45 | ChoHag | So yeah it's all a bit fucked up, but the possibility that the state has done or will do the right thing is laughably slim at best. |
| 11:57.52 | wethrin | I've no doubt that something, somewhere, got a bit fucked up. But I think there's something missing from that story too |
| 11:59.03 | ChoHag | Indeed. |
| 11:59.22 | ChoHag | And when in doubt, siding with State incompetence is generally a winner. |
| 11:59.32 | ChoHag | ham-fisted incompetence. |
| 12:00.35 | hackfu | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-25173794 |
| 12:00.49 | hackfu | apparently its expected to be brought before Parliament this week |
| 12:04.12 | hackfu | I wonder at what rate do pleas to court for orders of sedation get approved. |
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| 12:51.28 | morsing | ChoHag: You should run the country |
| 12:51.53 | morsing | And I never said I defended anything, I was merely answering his questions impartially |
| 13:31.14 | ChoHag | Nobody wants me to run the country. |
| 13:33.24 | hackfu | Is it impolite to ask someone who they voted for? |
| 13:35.35 | ChoHag | "Which idiot did you decide was permitted to instruct you?" |
| 13:35.40 | ChoHag | Yeah pretty impolite. |
| 13:36.04 | hackfu | Well obviously not in that manner. |
| 13:36.11 | ChoHag | It's the same thing. |
| 13:36.41 | hackfu | Its not the same thing |
| 13:36.57 | hackfu | I'm not being judgemental and insulting |
| 13:38.05 | hackfu | The question is is it too invasive and personal |
| 13:38.12 | hackfu | assuming you're not being a jerk about it. |
| 13:39.12 | ChoHag | Sorry eating. |
| 13:39.46 | morsing | hackfu: Yes, it is |
| 13:40.21 | wethrin | Yes, I agree with morsing |
| 13:40.43 | wethrin | Some people would be fine with you asking that, some may not |
| 13:41.30 | hackfu | Does personal connection and closeness to that person bear any significance on this matter? |
| 13:41.42 | wethrin | It may make it worse :) |
| 13:41.46 | hackfu | Say, a close friend or an unknown stranger |
| 13:43.39 | ChoHag | Basically, they're all cunts so it doesn't matter which one you voted for, but it's not polite to ask anyway. |
| 13:44.08 | hackfu | I dont share these pessimistic and even defeatist sentiments. |
| 13:44.20 | hackfu | I'm rabid optimist. |
| 13:44.29 | hackfu | hides |
| 13:44.32 | ChoHag | I prefer reality. |
| 13:46.43 | hackfu | I think there are powerful forces at work |
| 13:46.48 | hackfu | that will change things for the better |
| 13:47.11 | hackfu | its like a dam on a river, behind it, the water rises, slowly, silently, unnoticed untill one day it bursts, quite suddenly |
| 13:48.34 | wethrin | I doubt that |
| 13:48.56 | hackfu | I want to believe that eventually sanity will triumph |
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| 13:49.25 | wethrin | Nah, stupidity and laziness are the routes that society's taking |
| 13:49.29 | wethrin | Thinking of which |
| 13:49.30 | wethrin | hello dick_turpin |
| 13:50.13 | hackfu | I think that activism is optimistic. |
| 13:50.26 | hackfu | People dont go out and struggle unless they believe there are chances of changing things. |
| 13:50.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Are you turning into morsing? |
| 13:51.28 | hackfu | If you dont believe in a better world, a better country, a better society, you cant fight for them |
| 13:51.56 | hackfu | you can at best sit in your armchair infront of the TV, tut-tutting at the stupidity of humanity, and particularly your own people, and feel much superior |
| 13:52.46 | hackfu | Pessimism just relieves you of any urge to do something. |
| 13:52.52 | hackfu | its a comfy attitude. |
| 13:53.18 | hackfu | it even allows you to be contemptuous of people who still struggle for a better world. |
| 13:55.47 | dick_turpin | WTF Am I in the wrong channel? is this #garrulous |
| 14:48.25 | ChoHag | *sigh* |
| 14:48.38 | ChoHag | mysql on virtualbox on qcow backed up with mysqldump. |
| 14:48.40 | ChoHag | Why is it slow? |
| 14:48.44 | ChoHag | Gee I don't know. |
| 14:58.08 | morsing | ChoHag: Ermm... You prefer reality from which planet??? |
| 15:01.54 | ChoHag | Whichever planet it is most of the people on this one seem to spend their time in. |
| 15:59.58 | ChoHag | "We're running of memory. We need to reboot it to add more." |
| 16:00.15 | ChoHag | "Uhh actually you can add it on the fly by doing X." |
| 16:00.18 | ChoHag | <Silence> |
| 16:00.34 | ChoHag | Find. Let your silly server fall over. |
| 16:00.37 | ChoHag | See if I give a shit. |
| 16:16.03 | wethrin | oh, virtual memory? |
| 16:18.57 | ChoHag | Virtual machine |
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| 16:24.31 | wethrin | I suppose that makes it easiser |
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| 16:30.45 | ChoHag | Well it might, except the other 6/7 VM hosts in the cluster are unused and, for some reason, unusable. |
| 16:31.01 | ChoHag | I'd find out more, but I've yet to be given the ability to log in to anything, |
| 16:31.26 | ChoHag | Frequent occurance that - problem in the first few days of a place, nobody ever thinks to stop and take 5 minutes to let another pair of eyes and hands log in. |
| 16:31.59 | ChoHag | Oh well here's a pretty waterfall: http://www.flickr.com/photos/howardignatius/8083387830/lightbox/ |
| 16:40.00 | ChoHag | Oh for god's sake why do people try and stop me clicking the right mouse button on things? |
| 16:40.10 | ChoHag | I didn't even want to save your silly picture, but I did now. |
| 16:49.19 | wethrin | wget |
| 16:49.20 | wethrin | Simple |
| 16:50.34 | Armand | Silly shit customers ask... "I need an e-mail forwarder from blah@derp.com to yadda@derp.net" |
| 16:50.49 | Armand | Do it yourself, you've got a cpanel. :/ |
| 16:54.21 | Armand | I really want to play with my VDS, but I can't do a damned thing until tomorrow. :( |
| 17:09.41 | AndyMillar | why not? |
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| 18:57.15 | ChoHag | Does this bode well or poorly? Youtube has finally worked out that programming rather than stupid music is perhaps a more appropriate advert. |
| 18:59.44 | Armand | Sorry, AndyMillar.. I was attending to work. :P |
| 18:59.58 | Armand | AndyMillar: I'm at work right now, last night on. :) |
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| 22:05.21 | ChoHag | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dI2HYBfgXY |
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