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| 12:49.10 | azurebit | Hi folks, what distros r u using? |
| 13:23.20 | Armand | Mint 15 at work. |
| 13:30.04 | morsing | Mint sucks |
| 13:30.16 | morsing | I use Debian and Ubuntu but Ubuntu sucks too |
| 13:30.22 | morsing | Debian is sort of ok |
| 13:30.28 | Armand | Mint is perfectly fine. |
| 13:30.37 | morsing | Well, Debian is still the best Linux distro |
| 13:30.45 | morsing | Mint is bloody awful |
| 13:30.50 | Armand | How so? |
| 13:30.53 | morsing | My wife has Mint on her laptop |
| 13:33.46 | Armand | That doesn't explain your "awful" remark. :P |
| 13:39.21 | morsing | I can't remember, it's a couple of years ago, just remember I hated it. I think the window manager was set-up in a really awful way and it was impossible to change |
| 13:40.17 | Armand | Try Mint 16 in a VM. |
| 13:42.30 | morsing | No thanks :-) Unless it works with an Intel 6300 card... |
| 13:44.08 | Armand | It's a VM.. it should work with anything that your host OS has set up. |
| 13:44.12 | Armand | O_o |
| 13:44.32 | morsing | O_o |
| 13:44.57 | morsing | But the VM would have to understand the card... Chicken and egg... |
| 13:45.05 | Armand | No.. NAT. ;) |
| 13:45.10 | morsing | Huh?! |
| 13:45.15 | Armand | Oh lord.. |
| 13:45.17 | morsing | Nat who? |
| 13:45.21 | Armand | slaps morsing |
| 13:45.24 | morsing | WTF are you on about??? |
| 13:45.43 | Armand | Your host OS has the card set up correctly, right? |
| 13:46.04 | morsing | No, that's my bloody point... Linux doesn't work properly out-of-the box |
| 13:46.35 | Armand | Ahh... That's your fault then, not selecting supported hardware. :P |
| 13:48.25 | morsing | It is supported, it's a really good card for Linux, but it doesn't work out-of-the-box and the guide for supporting it vary enough that when I tried, it broke it completely |
| 13:48.48 | Armand | Well, ok.. still your fault though. :P |
| 13:48.53 | Armand | ducks |
| 13:48.58 | morsing | No |
| 13:53.52 | Armand | So.. what's so special about that card, that you wouldn't replace it for something better supported? |
| 13:56.43 | morsing | It is very well supported, are you not effing listening? It's a really good card and works really well with Linux, please listen! |
| 13:56.54 | Armand | You just said.... |
| 13:56.57 | Armand | :/ |
| 13:57.07 | morsing | 13:48 < morsing> It is supported, it's a really good card for Linux, but it doesn't work out-of-the-box and the guide for supporting it vary enough that when I tried, it broke it completely |
| 13:57.34 | Armand | Right. |
| 13:58.05 | morsing | Because the Intel drivers are so good, the community hasn't really developed their own, but it does mean you have to install Intel's binary firmware. That isn't straight forward |
| 13:58.24 | Armand | *Well supported* would mean that it did work "out of the box", like most of my kit does. |
| 13:58.42 | morsing | No, it wouldn't |
| 13:58.57 | Armand | As an FYI: Mint 15 was really good for setting up my NVidia card. |
| 13:58.59 | morsing | Out-of-the-box has got nothing to do with well supported |
| 13:59.35 | Armand | Meh |
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| 16:23.14 | azurebit | To be honest on my workstation I use Windows because of HW support. But on server I use CentOS |
| 16:24.17 | Armand | I only use Win7 at home as I like to play my games.. I know Steam is on the rise, but it's still a lot easier to play my selection on Windows. |
| 16:29.26 | AndyMillar | I have win7 on 2 desktops, rhel on a desktop and a laptop, and Centos on my other 2 laptops |
| 16:29.47 | AndyMillar | CentOS on most personal servers, one has freebsd and another's windows |
| 16:30.13 | AndyMillar | (I don't think my choice of OS on switches, routers and firewalls here is really relevant) |
| 16:30.40 | AndyMillar | 13:46:03 < morsing> No, that's my bloody point... Linux doesn't work properly out-of-the box |
| 16:31.24 | AndyMillar | ^^ have you tried installing windows XP or windows 7 recently? it doesn't work properly out of the box either |
| 17:06.42 | morsing | azurebit: But Windows sucks, so don't rally wan't to use it |
| 17:07.19 | morsing | AndyMillar: I don't use Windows, so that comment isn't relevant to me |
| 17:11.21 | azurebit | morsing: Windows in GUI are more stable than Xorg with Gnome with my own experience |
| 17:17.48 | morsing | Stable but crap and inefficient - doesn't really help me |
| 17:18.06 | morsing | And the lack of tools in Widdows is astonishing |
| 17:18.41 | morsing | Windows |
| 17:18.44 | azurebit | morsing: which tools? I like linux in command line but also Windows in GUI, there is no such thing like one best OS for everything I believe |
| 17:20.45 | morsing | No, but when your most used tool is ssh, and you expect things like ping and telnet to be useful, Windows really sucks. Also, TweakUI helps, but the Window GUI is always going to be limited and annoying |
| 17:21.50 | azurebit | telnet is not by default in modern Linux destribution, you have to install it, same in Windows |
| 17:47.46 | morsing | It is in proper Linux distributions, the problem is the whole way of using Windows though. The shell (window) is just bloody awful |
| 18:11.19 | azurebit | I agree, shell in Windows is awful |
| 18:11.44 | yaMatt | oh it's so bad |
| 18:12.25 | yaMatt | I don't know if powershell is supposed to have fixed a bunch of stuff but you can even drag the window wider |
| 19:06.41 | ChoHag | Hey don't knock it that's advanced stuff. |
| 19:07.07 | ChoHag | God knows how much lsd the tty code required. |
| 19:11.39 | yaMatt | hahah |