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| 11:03.34 | morsing_ | wethrin: Any good with mailx / sendmail? |
| 11:06.22 | wethrin | Nope, sorry. I tend to use Postfix these days. |
| 11:06.31 | wethrin | I think it was on your recommendation. And I fully approve. |
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| 11:36.17 | dick_turpin | popey: for Ubuntu community manager! |
| 11:39.57 | popey | hah |
| 11:41.11 | dick_turpin | popey: So I know I rub you up the wrong way sometimes but in all seriousness. I gave it some thought this morning and personality wise yours is the only name that keeps coming back to me. |
| 11:41.47 | Leeds | dick_turpin: do not rub up against popey, please |
| 11:42.12 | dick_turpin | Leeds: But it's so rare he gets that sort of thing? |
| 11:42.15 | popey | Thank you. I think. |
| 11:42.20 | Leeds | that's not what I heard |
| 11:42.26 | Leeds | why do you think jono is bald??? |
| 11:42.33 | dick_turpin | http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/05/19/goodbye-canonical-hello-xprize/ |
| 11:44.18 | dick_turpin | popey: I love you reticence. It's almost as if you don't think I'm capable of being nice. :-( |
| 11:44.28 | dick_turpin | :'( |
| 11:44.40 | dick_turpin | s/you/your |
| 11:50.42 | dick_turpin | morsing You gonna apply for the Ubuntu Community position? Mind you you're spoilt for choice seeing as the Fedora Project Leader is up for grabs too. |
| 11:54.30 | popey | haha |
| 11:54.38 | popey | I dont even know if there will be a replacement. |
| 11:54.41 | popey | Might be. |
| 11:55.16 | dick_turpin | It's gonna be Mark in't it? |
| 12:36.24 | Leeds | I reckon Mark must be skint by now |
| 13:04.24 | dick_turpin | Leeds: I had the accounts from Company's House for Canonical UK and Canonical Holdings. UK actually makes a bit of money and when I say bit it's scarily little in the grand scheme of things. It wasn't even £100,000 profit. Holdings is hemorrhaging money like you wouldn't believe. Most transaction are cash which tells us what everyone knows Mark is pumping it in but clearly not fast enough. |
| 13:06.07 | dick_turpin | I'm not sure if it's cash reasons Jono is going even though he gave a War and Peace list of potential reasons that he is not leaving for. But that said, everything Canonical has 'cut back' on so far in a supposed money saving exercise has been penny pinching to say the least. |
| 13:56.18 | cbz | heh |
| 14:07.41 | Leeds | dick_turpin: interesting... |
| 14:09.03 | Leeds | I doubt Mark actually is skint, and to be honest I'd doubt Jono left because of money - at least, not money for himself. It's possible it was something to do with money for programs/events |
| 14:11.09 | dick_turpin | I think Mark is down to his last few Million. He's currently suing the South African government for some of the millions he was forced to leave behind when he left. |
| 14:17.47 | Leeds | to be honest, I don't know enough about him personally and his history |
| 14:18.12 | Leeds | Canonical as a whole always seemed to be a bit of a house of cards though |
| 14:20.15 | Leeds | built up relatively quickly without an obvious firm foundation |
| 14:26.52 | dick_turpin | So watching carefully because popey works there, from what I can see 'some' of the people there (Higher up the food chain) are not the brightest sparks in the matchbox. More importantly waaaay too much of the Ubuntu-nee-Canonical stuff is very much "The Emperors new cloths" Take the new 'Orange Box for example. It is in fact built by Tranquil PC. OpenStack is in fact Red Hat technology so the only true connection is the name "Ub |
| 14:28.19 | Leeds | I wonder how much they've been distracted by the mobile/TV stuff |
| 14:30.26 | dick_turpin | Leeds: What TV stuff? See that's another example. Wasn't we supposed to see Ubuntu on every TV by now? The problem is they're starting to turn into the "Cry Wolf" situation. It's almost at the stage that nobody takes anything they say seriously any more. |
| 14:31.00 | Leeds | after the ubuntu edge circus, I don't take anything other than desktop/server seriously |
| 14:32.15 | Leeds | to be fair, Eric Schmidt said something along the lines of "by next summer, the majority of TVs will ship with Google TV integrated" - in December 2011 |
| 14:32.28 | Leeds | GTV was such a failure that it almost took down Logitech |
| 14:36.12 | dick_turpin | Panasonic signed a deal with Mozilla at the beginning of the year |
| 14:36.30 | Leeds | lots of people sign deals with lots of people |
| 14:37.38 | dick_turpin | No, Canonical says it's in talks with people the only time they've said they've signed a deal was with a Chinese carrier nobody outside of the Orient had heard of. |
| 14:37.45 | Leeds | I believe canonical have officially signed up a couple of OEMs |
| 14:37.53 | dick_turpin | See above |
| 14:38.09 | cbz | heh |
| 14:38.25 | Leeds | to be fair, I am in the Orient :) |
| 14:38.31 | cbz | I always got the impression the exit plan was acquisition anyway |
| 14:38.47 | dick_turpin | I know. That's why I boxed clever with you. :-D |
| 14:39.59 | cbz | and the various products/announcements were aimed to put themselves into a particular space so that some bigger dumber company assumed they'd buy a competitive advantage by buying them |
| 14:40.08 | cbz | or rather the engineering experience |
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| 14:48.21 | Leeds | Meizu - I had to look it up, yes - are pretty well-known around here... mostly for selling good quality iphone clones |
| 14:56.52 | dick_turpin | Leeds: See that's another thing that slightly irks me. Canonical has not gone to a manufacturer, designed and created a phone. All they've done is taken a few thousand units from Meizu, re-badged them and then told everyone its the Ubuntu phone. |
| 14:57.08 | Leeds | I wasn't aware that they'd even done that |
| 14:57.48 | Leeds | I thought they'd just announced that Meizu were planning to ship an Ubuntu phone this year |
| 14:58.32 | popey | Meizu and BQ |
| 14:58.50 | dick_turpin | Yeah. It's no loss to Meizu, they're probably 1st Gen units anyway all they have to do is get the OS working on them and they're ready to ship |
| 15:00.38 | Leeds | and given that - last I heard - ubuntu mobilephonetouch was pretty much built on an Android kernel and driver set, that shouldn't be too hard |
| 15:00.41 | dick_turpin | What's harder, if not potentially impossible, is getting Ubuntu OS to work on a wide range of phones not without a lot of customisation |
| 15:01.02 | popey | nope |
| 15:01.06 | popey | not that hard |
| 15:01.14 | popey | poeple have already done it for ~40 phones |
| 15:03.19 | dick_turpin | I agree, we've all seen the posts of "Here's my phone" but you and I know there's a big difference between you fiddling with your phone and mass installation on a production line with Mr Fong saying "Ooh we've run out of them screens! Use the older batch, they look just the same." |
| 15:03.31 | popey | mostly XDA-Developers people who are used to porting to new devices, as they do it in their sleep |
| 15:05.43 | Leeds | at this point, cyanogenmod has shipped more phones than canonical |
| 15:05.54 | popey | we have shipped none |
| 15:06.24 | Leeds | well, yes |
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| 15:07.48 | popey | Cyanogenmod is interesting. I wonder what the sales and return rates on their phones are |
| 15:08.08 | Leeds | pretty low on both, I suspect |
| 15:08.24 | popey | well they have helped that by restricting supply to enthusiasts |
| 15:08.34 | popey | if it's low then you may see more mainstream brands shipping it next year |
| 15:09.41 | Leeds | I honestly think the window for new mobile platforms has passed |
| 15:10.00 | popey | You're not watching Samsung then ☻ |
| 15:10.01 | dick_turpin | We'll never agree on this phone subject anyway. IMO it's a mistaken path to follow Ubuntu's skillset lies in a different direction |
| 15:10.14 | Leeds | popey: tizen? |
| 15:10.21 | popey | Most of the phones shipped in western regions are Samsung devices |
| 15:10.30 | popey | they hold the top spots for many form factors |
| 15:10.52 | popey | and given they don't promote android at all, but they push their "S" Apps |
| 15:11.02 | popey | they could (and have started) moving away from Android to Tizen. |
| 15:11.22 | popey | I would expect them to ship Tizen phones (they already switched their wearable smart watch to Tizen) |
| 15:11.36 | popey | and their Tizen phones will have the exact same S apps that users are familiar with |
| 15:11.55 | Leeds | they've been talking about shipping Tizen phones for a while, but there's no sign of any devices actually coming to market any time soon |
| 15:12.04 | popey | the gear is already ported |
| 15:12.18 | Leeds | watches don't matter right now |
| 15:12.19 | popey | I would put money on a phone shipping next year |
| 15:12.23 | popey | they do |
| 15:12.28 | popey | its a test bed for them |
| 15:12.32 | popey | so it matters to them |
| 15:12.39 | Leeds | the entire smartwatch industry shipped 500k devices last year |
| 15:12.58 | popey | its early days |
| 15:12.59 | Leeds | the phone/tablet industry shipped something approaching a billion devices |
| 15:13.42 | Leeds | they may well be able to get tizen-on-watches in before Android Wear gets a foothold... |
| 15:13.52 | Leeds | but it's too late for them to move off Android for phones |
| 15:13.58 | popey | that doesnt matter |
| 15:14.09 | popey | whether android gets a foothold or not is irrelavent for samsung |
| 15:14.12 | popey | they have their own apps |
| 15:14.40 | Leeds | I don't think their ecosystem, separate from Android, is strong enough to survive |
| 15:14.40 | popey | maybe I'm wrong and tizen will all die off |
| 15:14.47 | popey | yeah, not yet |
| 15:15.05 | Leeds | I don't think Tizen will ever ship in mass quantities globally on phones |
| 15:15.15 | Leeds | obviously you know bada... |
| 15:16.09 | Leeds | they shipped 10s of millions of bada phones - more than BB10 will ever ship, for example - and then it just went away |
| 15:18.34 | popey | right, they consolidated development on tizen |
| 15:22.31 | dick_turpin | I still say there's plenty more mileage in Tablets. Canonical should really be maker bigger inroads on that market. Unity is perfect for that. Hang on, wasn't that what Unity was originally designed for? ;-) |
| 15:22.45 | dick_turpin | making |
| 15:27.29 | Leeds | popey: have you read tomi ahonen's stuff about Nokia's failure to move their customers from Symbian to WP? |
| 15:27.43 | Leeds | he's a bit of a nutter, but I think he has interesting ideas |
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