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| 08:30.03 | ChoHag | How are people filtering spam these days? |
| 08:31.26 | w1bble | /dev/null |
| 08:31.41 | w1bble | I pipe all mail there and get no spam \o/ |
| 08:46.50 | AndyMillar | I use a spamtitan appliance |
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| 12:05.21 | ChoHag | I just got a dressing down for reading some source code (called 'actively programming') in a meeting. |
| 12:05.47 | ChoHag | Protests that keeping my brain occupied *so that* I can concentrate on their drivvel were neither understood nor accepted. |
| 12:07.29 | ChoHag | I was asked to consider what the other attendees would think. |
| 12:07.47 | ChoHag | I asked whether it was important that I pay attention, or that I look like I'm paying attention. |
| 12:07.52 | ChoHag | Both. |
| 12:07.59 | ChoHag | What a monumental prick. |
| 12:09.15 | gregj | so you're never wrong then |
| 12:09.59 | ChoHag | I fail to see how that follows. |
| 12:10.16 | gregj | take the time |
| 12:10.52 | ChoHag | I can see how you've jumped to that conclusion, but I can't see anything other than a leap of assumptions. |
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| 13:39.08 | wethrin | It's more important to look like you're doing things than to actually do things |
| 13:39.13 | wethrin | This is a sad reality of Other People |
| 14:04.50 | ChoHag | Well he's made his concerns quite clear. |
| 15:11.47 | dick_turpin | wethrin: But you do it so well. :-) |
| 15:29.41 | wethrin | dick_turpin: I know :) |
| 15:43.32 | gregj | I always find it rude, when peolpe aren't paying attention in meetings they attend. |
| 15:43.35 | gregj | What's the point... |
| 15:44.21 | wethrin | Question is why - is it because they're just rude people, or is it because the meeting's dragged on so long, and is being so tedious, that everyone's just drifted off |
| 15:44.52 | gregj | everyone is welcome to make suggestions, instead of just doing other things |
| 15:45.03 | gregj | I mean, I could take a phone out and just start lauging at videos on youtube |
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| 17:16.49 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG | Next meeting: Today (7th June 2014) | http://www.gllug.org.uk |
| 18:00.42 | ChoHag | gregj: It was a meeting in name only. |
| 18:01.28 | ChoHag | In actual fact it was just management patting themselves on the back where the whole department could see and then be berated for being up to snuff. |
| 18:01.42 | ChoHag | for not being up to snuff. |
| 18:02.37 | ChoHag | Input from the attendees was neither desirable nor productive. |
| 18:03.23 | ChoHag | In short, if they wanted attention to be paid by all attendees, they should have restricted it to the attendees which are required. Weekly meetings of 30+ people are entirely a waste of time. |
| 18:15.19 | gregj | I hate that sort of a 'meeting' |
| 18:15.25 | gregj | very childlish |
| 18:18.16 | Armand | I'm glad we don't do those kind of "meetings"... |
| 18:36.01 | gregj | neither do I |
| 18:36.05 | gregj | but then, I'm the CTO |
| 18:36.10 | gregj | so I wouldn't call them up |
| 18:37.56 | Armand | We have a Team Meeting occasionally, but that's a "stand up" whenever we feel like it. :) |
| 18:38.32 | ChoHag | They're depressingly common. |
| 18:39.39 | Armand | If we started to conduct time-wasting meetings, I would simply state that I'm not being involved. |
| 18:39.52 | Armand | I have better things to do with my time, such as ACTUAL WORK. |
| 18:40.17 | ChoHag | Government will have nothing to do with that preposterous idea. |
| 18:40.41 | Armand | ?!? |
| 18:43.05 | ChoHag | Doing actual work. |
| 18:43.11 | ChoHag | We don't do that. |
| 18:43.21 | Armand | Ooooohhhh |
| 18:44.40 | ChoHag | Today I copied values from an XML file (which were put there by copying them from a visio diagram, which was pulled out of somebody's arse) into a spreadsheet. |
| 18:45.53 | ChoHag | Of course I did this by writing a short perl script. |
| 18:46.13 | Armand | Today I fixed a website and enabled Apache's server-status page on the server's primary IP. |
| 18:46.17 | Armand | \o/ |
| 18:46.18 | gregj | stand ups are very important |
| 18:46.26 | ChoHag | I would like to do some work. |
| 18:46.26 | gregj | but they should be brief, and daily |
| 18:46.30 | Armand | To us, certainly. |
| 18:46.30 | ChoHag | Even just fiddling with Apache. |
| 18:46.53 | Armand | Daily, no.. We're in the same office so it would be so redundant. :p |
| 18:47.29 | ChoHag | We do a daily standing team-wide report. |
| 18:48.10 | ChoHag | There's certainly no discussion. We're not even working on the same things. |
| 18:48.21 | Armand | Ohh, we have no need.. Our work is generally viewed as a conveyor belt. |
| 18:49.07 | Armand | Most of our meetings are regarding changes to procedure and any longer term tasks in progress. |
| 19:02.30 | gregj | "I want to do some work" argument works great, if you work alone. In a team, you have to spend some time contributing and communicating with the team |
| 19:04.21 | ChoHag | Ah that would be nice too. |
| 19:17.34 | gregj | you can't live in a silo, when you work with other people. That just doesn't work and probably contributes to your grumpiness rather a lot |
| 19:17.44 | ChoHag | "That's the real benefit of Amazon EC2 - the failure rates are high enough that it forces people to prepare for failures that would've come eventually anyways." |
| 19:18.08 | ChoHag | It's not everywhere. |
| 19:18.12 | ChoHag | Just most places. |
| 19:18.18 | ChoHag | And *especially* this one. |
| 19:19.19 | ChoHag | As a contractor I'm an adjunct to the organisations I'm in, so I can't do anything to really change a bad culture that's there. I can just cut my cheque and run. |
| 19:19.48 | ChoHag | The good places with communication and actual work are the places I stay at. |
| 19:21.09 | ChoHag | I still moan about them of course because humans insist on being human but it's just background shittiness usually, not cultural/endemic. |
| 19:22.59 | ChoHag | It only interferes with my work when there isn't any work in the first place. |
| 19:23.47 | ChoHag | Although I'm feeling old and getting tired now. I'd like to work somewhere for a bit that isn't actively poisonous. |
| 19:30.01 | gregj | move somewhere far away from london |
| 19:35.18 | ChoHag | I'm trying. |
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