| 00:04.18 | herlo | nope, did that already |
| 00:04.28 | herlo | shalkie: I watched Tron:Legacy today. Love that show! |
| 00:04.34 | makfinsky | Yeah, good movies. |
| 00:04.48 | herlo | oh, the media server is rocking it, though! |
| 00:04.49 | makfinsky | I liked the new one too. In spite of the technical hokiness. |
| 00:04.59 | makfinsky | Which media server? miniDNLA? |
| 00:05.21 | makfinsky | I am interested in setting that up at home. Am using an xmbc box for the media center atm. |
| 00:06.37 | makfinsky | Ok, am off to the hotel. |
| 00:09.30 | herlo | makfinsky: yeah, minidlna |
| 00:09.47 | herlo | xbmc technically supports dlna as well |
| 00:26.23 | herlo | shalkie: this is what I am doing that is useful: http://sexysexypenguins.com/2011/09/19/building-an-os-the-workflow/ |
| 00:26.39 | herlo | if anyone else wished to read ^^ |
| 00:27.40 | herlo | goozbach, Nushio, Nafai, smooge, etc ^^ |
| 00:27.58 | smooge | ok |
| 00:28.14 | herlo | smooge: did you see I built 0.9.2 rpms on koji for salt on Saturday? |
| 00:28.24 | Nushio | hey herlo |
| 00:28.26 | herlo | notes that thatch45 hasn't announced it yet, but he should... |
| 00:28.28 | herlo | Nushio: hi! |
| 00:28.31 | Nushio | ooh, yes, i definitely want to read that |
| 00:28.40 | smooge | herlo, not yet.. been ill |
| 00:28.54 | herlo | smooge: I hear ya, just getting over my 2+ weeks of being ill |
| 00:29.00 | herlo | totally sucked! |
| 00:30.20 | herlo | just updated a link, if you wanna reload |
| 00:33.06 | Nushio | i'll read it when i get home |
| 00:33.07 | Nushio | i bookmarked it and firefox sync should in theory bring it to my home laptop |
| 00:34.21 | Nushio | going home, bbl |
| 00:37.29 | herlo | kk |
| 00:38.32 | Nafai | herlo: sweet |
| 00:38.43 | herlo | Nafai: you like? |
| 00:38.56 | Nafai | Got to finish reading, but looks interesting |
| 00:39.11 | herlo | cool |
| 00:39.50 | Nafai | it was cool seeing how big and active AJ has got |
| 00:40.19 | Nafai | btw, wondering if you guys had any suggestions |
| 00:40.37 | Nafai | I'm kind of getting into making my config and scripts work on all distributions |
| 00:41.18 | Nafai | I was thinking on writing something that parsed out all of the programs that are run from a shell script and then figuring out, using the distro-appropriate commands, what package they come from |
| 00:41.59 | Nafai | just trying to figure out what the best way to go about figuring out what is run |
| 00:44.15 | herlo | hmm, interesting idea |
| 00:44.55 | herlo | Nafai: seems to me that using standard languages is a good start, but also having variables for things like common configuration locations |
| 00:45.22 | herlo | for instance, on fedora/rhel it's /etc/sysconfig, where as on debian/ubuntu it's /etc/default, iirc |
| 00:45.38 | herlo | then you just have to source that single file to run your script |
| 00:47.21 | Nafai | nods |
| 00:51.11 | Nafai | thinks of a cool hack involving chroots and strace |
| 00:51.24 | herlo | whee! |
| 00:51.39 | herlo | wonders why, but thinks it's cool nonetheless |
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| 02:01.50 | herlo | fuck yeah! |
| 02:01.52 | herlo | <Storage {'payload': u'{"pusher":{"name":"herlo","email":"herlo1@gmail.com"},"commits":[{"removed":[],"modified":["INSTALL"],"author":{"username":"herlo","name":"Clint Savage","email":"herlo1@gmail.com"},"added":[],"message":"updated INSTALL","distinct":true,"url":"https://github.com/herlo/test-hooks/commit/04b1a59e79af27484d78ef00ae500cb043b570b0","timestamp":"2011-09-19T19:01:18-07:00","id":"04b1a59e79af27484d78ef00ae500cb043b570b0"}],"forced":false,"de |
| 02:01.59 | herlo | oops |
| 02:02.10 | herlo | I've got a post hook sort of working though! |
| 02:02.53 | herlo | 04b1a59e79af27484d78ef00ae500cb043b570b0 <-- this would be the commit to koji build from what I can tell |
| 02:03.34 | herlo | the other part of this, I can check the name against koji to verify that the package has been added and only accept posts from github itself |
| 02:04.05 | herlo | hot damn! |
| 02:04.19 | herlo | makfinsky: check it out, awesomeness abounds !!! ^^ |
| 02:06.23 | herlo | goes to puff on the hookah for a bit... |
| 02:09.01 | makfinsky | ? |
| 02:50.23 | shalkie | Hookah? |
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| 02:54.53 | goozbach | waterpipe |
| 02:55.03 | goozbach | think the caterpillar from alice in wonderland |
| 02:55.06 | goozbach | that is a hooka |
| 02:58.50 | goozbach | did we ever decide on a proper backronym? |
| 02:59.26 | goozbach | Generic Opensource Operating System for the Enterprise? |
| 03:00.00 | makfinsky | Heh, backronym. |
| 03:02.46 | goozbach | that's what it is |
| 03:03.55 | goozbach | ls |
| 03:03.58 | goozbach | doh |
| 03:08.41 | makfinsky | Wow, all sorts of classic movies on the hdnet channel. Watching Stand By Me. |
| 03:33.47 | goozbach | goes to bed |
| 03:38.35 | herlo | goozbach: Grand Orthogonal Operating System Experience |
| 04:08.47 | shalkie | Haha. New toys are fun. Next time at coffee herlo I will have to show you this one. |
| 04:13.15 | herlo | k |
| 04:20.35 | herlo | shalkie: you've never done the hookah? |
| 04:21.05 | herlo | s/done/smoked/ |
| 05:26.04 | shalkie | Surprisingly no. |
| 05:27.26 | shalkie | I have thought about it though. |
| 05:31.59 | herlo | well, you should stop by one night soon, I suppose |
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| 05:38.01 | shalkie | you have a hookah? or are you meaning a hookah bar? |
| 05:39.41 | herlo | I have a hookah |
| 05:39.57 | herlo | shalkie: but, the hookah lounge is a nice place |
| 05:40.55 | shalkie | Oh, then yes. |
| 05:41.09 | herlo | and if you wanted to go there, we could do that... |
| 05:41.37 | shalkie | area tried the hookah thing but then they stopped for some reason. |
| 05:41.54 | herlo | ?? |
| 05:41.58 | herlo | area |
| 05:42.04 | herlo | what does that mean? |
| 05:42.16 | shalkie | should do the lounge soon after the recent ban then unban. |
| 05:42.25 | herlo | shalkie: do you mean area 51? |
| 05:42.33 | shalkie | area = areaa51 |
| 05:42.39 | herlo | shalkie: there was a ban? |
| 05:43.13 | shalkie | lasted a couple days. |
| 05:43.22 | shalkie | on tic. |
| 05:43.56 | herlo | geez, you need to type more, and not abbreviate. I have no idea what 'tic' means |
| 05:47.11 | shalkie | sorry, getting use to typing with the stylus. |
| 05:47.24 | shalkie | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=17234701 |
| 05:47.32 | herlo | yeah, reading it now... |
| 05:48.54 | shalkie | i am stunned the lawmakers stepped in. |
| 05:53.10 | makfinsky | When will people stop trying to legislate morality...? |
| 05:54.05 | makfinsky | Hmm, not quite apropos in this case. |
| 05:54.13 | makfinsky | Still, it's stupid. |
| 05:56.28 | shalkie | yeah. happens everywhere. I think it jus proves people want clones of themselves. |
| 05:57.33 | makfinsky | Ugh. |
| 05:57.44 | makfinsky | I would like one or two like myself, not 7 billion. |
| 05:58.03 | makfinsky | I think I'd have to go on a killing spree, highlander style. |
| 05:58.08 | herlo | whee, 7billion clones! |
| 05:58.19 | herlo | shoot them all! |
| 05:58.26 | makfinsky | Dude, it's the herlo goo scenario! |
| 05:58.28 | herlo | oh, wait, cut them all in half! |
| 05:58.31 | makfinsky | Wait... |
| 05:58.40 | makfinsky | That sounded terrible... |
| 05:58.40 | herlo | lol |
| 05:59.13 | makfinsky | Oh jebuz... it's bed time for me... |
| 05:59.15 | herlo | so after reading that article, I read this one. Crazy stuff happens here! http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52608985-78/car-manwaring-tanner-able.html.csp |
| 06:00.46 | makfinsky | Sheesh, severe alcohol poisoning. |
| 06:00.57 | herlo | yeah |
| 06:00.59 | makfinsky | Yeah, don't help passed outstrangers in cars that are running. |
| 06:01.09 | herlo | lol, if only he had known |
| 06:01.15 | makfinsky | Or at least turn off the engine before getting in there! |
| 06:01.28 | herlo | yeah, that's what the cop said |
| 06:01.40 | herlo | but I don't know if I would have thought of that |
| 06:01.49 | makfinsky | That's what officers do when they approach cars. |
| 06:01.57 | makfinsky | Yeah, perhaps not. |
| 06:02.02 | herlo | I think officers should taser cars |
| 06:02.15 | herlo | it'd be an awesome thing |
| 06:02.40 | herlo | disable them temporarily so would-be criminals can't take off |
| 06:04.06 | makfinsky | Hell no. |
| 06:04.17 | herlo | makfinsky: btw, I was able to get a post working from a github commit tonight and read the commit info |
| 06:04.25 | makfinsky | Too many officers are poorly trained and too many are just crazy. |
| 06:04.27 | herlo | makfinsky: haha, I figured you'd say that.... |
| 06:04.45 | shalkie | there was a prototype of an emp device at one point that appearedto work very well. |
| 06:04.45 | herlo | wasn't serious |
| 06:04.59 | makfinsky | As much respect as I have for law enforcement, they are given way too much power and too little accountability. |
| 06:05.16 | makfinsky | Yeah, if they start using those, I'll have to make my own. |
| 06:05.19 | makfinsky | It's not hard. |
| 06:05.26 | makfinsky | Just takes a fair amount of batteries. |
| 06:05.43 | herlo | makfinsky: btw, I was able to get a post working from a github commit tonight and read the commit info |
| 06:06.08 | makfinsky | herlo: For skein? |
| 06:06.10 | herlo | post-commit hook, that is |
| 06:06.19 | herlo | makfinsky: no, it's for github |
| 06:06.51 | makfinsky | Erm, ok, which commit am I looking for? |
| 06:07.01 | shalkie | i am headed to bed. my commute iis short but the hours are early |
| 06:07.08 | herlo | makfinsky: so you import with skein and then when the commit hits github, a post-receive hook is launched |
| 06:07.12 | shalkie | nn all |
| 06:07.16 | makfinsky | Ah! |
| 06:07.16 | herlo | n shalkie |
| 06:07.23 | makfinsky | Interesting! |
| 06:07.35 | herlo | makfinsky: then you can grab the commit info, like project and such |
| 06:07.44 | herlo | and send it off to koji to be built |
| 06:07.51 | herlo | suggests that makfinsky read my blog post |
| 06:07.59 | makfinsky | Going... |
| 06:08.02 | herlo | http://planet.gooseproject.org/ |
| 06:10.12 | makfinsky | Wow, artwork even! |
| 06:10.39 | herlo | not just artwork, my excellent artwork |
| 06:10.41 | herlo | :) |
| 06:10.44 | makfinsky | Dammit, stop using tuv and just say upstream. |
| 06:10.58 | makfinsky | Indeed, excellent artwork! |
| 06:11.16 | herlo | lol |
| 06:11.22 | herlo | you saw that in the artwork |
| 06:11.29 | herlo | I don't say that in the articl |
| 06:11.33 | herlo | e |
| 06:11.44 | herlo | I didn't have much room |
| 06:11.52 | herlo | and besides, quitcher bitching |
| 06:12.13 | makfinsky | LOL |
| 06:12.26 | herlo | I will say what I like! |
| 06:13.09 | makfinsky | Hehe, ok, looks like I'll need to munge skein a little to get the gtkmm24 pkg imported since it's spec file is named differently. |
| 06:13.33 | herlo | makfinsky: well, that or just use the --no-push or --no-upload options |
| 06:13.41 | herlo | and then do the commit by hand |
| 06:14.05 | herlo | needs to hit the sack. |
| 06:14.18 | makfinsky | Erm... oh. Hit the sack, more tomorrow. |
| 06:14.22 | herlo | nn |
| 07:10.55 | makfinsky | Crapple... github won't allow me to create a repo with a "+" in the name. libsigc++20 is the pkg I am trying to import. Anyone got any ideas on how to get this done? |
| 07:11.36 | makfinsky | github replaces the "+" with "-" chars. Will koji care about the git repo name? |
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| 13:46.27 | goozbach | anyone got their ears on? |
| 14:01.28 | makfinsky | Think I figured it out. |
| 14:01.33 | makfinsky | Heya goozbach. |
| 14:05.01 | shalkie | Hey goozbach |
| 14:05.23 | shalkie | My ears don't detach. Yours do? |
| 14:05.25 | shalkie | :-P |
| 14:05.57 | shalkie | wants to watch smokey and the bandit now. |
| 14:18.02 | makfinsky | Ah, classic movies, those too. |
| 14:25.58 | goozbach | I'm trying to finish the intro to goose blog post and I need some fodder for parts of my outline |
| 14:26.00 | goozbach | please hold |
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| 14:36.48 | herlo | makfinsky: wha? |
| 14:37.18 | herlo | they change the + to - ?? That's weird, since I built c++ and libstdc++ and that didn't happen to me |
| 14:43.55 | goozbach | can you all look at my post |
| 14:43.57 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.17 | goozbach | and help me flesh out the "who are we?" and "where are we?" parts? |
| 14:44.52 | herlo | reading |
| 14:45.42 | makfinsky | herlo: I know, right? I deleted the repo and tried to create by hand. Fail. |
| 14:45.48 | makfinsky | Dunno why. |
| 14:46.47 | makfinsky | "Who we are" - Some badass mofos. |
| 14:46.57 | herlo | lol |
| 14:47.00 | herlo | goozbach: we all beniefit from multiple projects filling multiple niches |
| 14:47.02 | herlo | typo! |
| 14:47.41 | herlo | goozbach: is the 'where are we' statement about the location of individuals or about our progress?? |
| 14:48.22 | herlo | It does seem to lead to the latter in the sub-bullets, but it might be useful to discuss that anyone can join from anywhere |
| 14:49.41 | goozbach | herlo: our progress specificly |
| 14:49.54 | goozbach | I was thinking of dropping the "who are we?" part entirely |
| 14:50.27 | herlo | I also think rather than saying 'We just want to build a template...', it should be something like 'We are here to build a community of passionate folks to build the best community-based enterprise-operating system around' |
| 14:51.19 | goozbach | I still need to do a final "tone" editing pass |
| 14:51.21 | herlo | s/e-o/e o/ |
| 14:52.20 | herlo | yeah, we definitely need to flesh out the 'why another rebuild' section |
| 14:52.28 | herlo | though I think it's a great start |
| 14:53.44 | makfinsky | Indeed, good start. |
| 14:53.52 | makfinsky | Need to head off to customer site now. |
| 14:54.55 | herlo | have fun! |
| 14:57.15 | goozbach | Imma gonna drop the bullet item for "who are we" |
| 14:57.18 | goozbach | it's not about us |
| 14:57.23 | goozbach | it's about the community |
| 14:57.32 | goozbach | which will be in the "come help" stuff |
| 14:58.27 | goozbach | http://lists.ascendos.org/pipermail/ascendos-dev/2011-September/000219.html << seriously? |
| 14:58.29 | goozbach | it's git! |
| 14:58.39 | goozbach | don't like that it's on github |
| 14:58.44 | goozbach | clone and fork it! |
| 14:59.15 | goozbach | however we will need to have a canned response to people who bring up this complaint. |
| 14:59.41 | goozbach | which I think should be partly our "don't run infrastructure we don't need to" thingy |
| 15:00.03 | goozbach | and partly "here's a copy of an entire backup of our issues/repos/etc not on github |
| 15:01.58 | herlo | goozbach: I saw that too |
| 15:02.24 | goozbach | I guess the biggest help ya'll could give is a few points on the "state of the goose" |
| 15:02.34 | Nafai | You'll surely get Free Software Purists that will come up with that argument |
| 15:02.36 | goozbach | we should have a regular state of the goose email too |
| 15:02.59 | herlo | goozbach: like what? Once a month? |
| 15:03.16 | goozbach | Nafai: can you think of reasons that pointing to a backup of all git repos/issues shouldn't placate them? |
| 15:03.54 | herlo | Nafai: exactly what his argument was |
| 15:03.54 | goozbach | or is it more of a "THEY'RE SUPPORTING COPORAATE POLICIES BY USING A SEMI_COMMERCIAL PRODUCT" |
| 15:04.03 | Nafai | *If* they can be, no. But some peole won't be happy. |
| 15:04.17 | Nafai | s/peole/people/ |
| 15:04.41 | herlo | Nafai: it's a matter of the amount of work some people want to do |
| 15:04.47 | Nafai | But, hey, even RMS started GNU by working on commerical Unices |
| 15:05.28 | herlo | my response to that nice fellow would be something along the lines of, well if you want to setup and maintain our infrastructure with redundancy and guaranteed uptime and no loss, please let me know when it's ready and we'll test it out |
| 15:05.38 | Nafai | Besides, most likely those that will complain the loudest, won't be the ones willing to do the work anyway |
| 15:05.46 | herlo | Nafai: indeed |
| 15:07.31 | herlo | goozbach: maybe wrt the 'state' of goose, you could just say that we're 'in progress' but that we have weekly meetings and that we will blog about the 'state of goose' each month/quarter/whatever |
| 15:07.49 | herlo | goozbach: my goal with the website is to have a current snapshot each day |
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| 15:25.38 | goozbach | we're just about done with the buildroot |
| 15:25.47 | herlo | indeed |
| 15:25.55 | goozbach | or with the compiling of the packages for the alpha? |
| 15:26.02 | goozbach | or are those tasks one in the same? |
| 15:26.09 | herlo | goozbach: the other part of that is we're nearing 1000 packages built anyway |
| 15:26.27 | herlo | goozbach: I guess I should clarify the plan for build out |
| 15:26.42 | herlo | at least 'how I see it' |
| 15:26.49 | Nafai | herlo: Does this need to be in a new repo or is there one already on github I can fork to add the code to? |
| 15:27.05 | herlo | Nafai: there is no code yet |
| 15:27.29 | herlo | Nafai: let's create a github-hook repo |
| 15:27.37 | herlo | wonders if goozbach has an opinion on that |
| 15:27.46 | herlo | goozbach: context switch |
| 15:28.32 | herlo | Nafai is going to build a python-based webapp that reads github webhooks which will allow us to process new commits and automagically send them to koji to be built |
| 15:28.47 | herlo | Nafai: maybe we should come up with a project name for it |
| 15:29.06 | herlo | because it's more than just the webapp, that's just the start... |
| 15:33.32 | herlo | Nafai: what's your github username? Is it Nafai? |
| 15:33.35 | goozbach | I've been thinking about repos and stuff |
| 15:34.04 | goozbach | I'm thinking we should start another "organization". and move all our code to it. |
| 15:34.18 | goozbach | and keep the upstream pkgs in the gooseproject org. |
| 15:34.18 | herlo | goozbach: maybe just rename this org to goose linux? |
| 15:34.26 | Nafai | herlo: Nafai77 |
| 15:34.37 | goozbach | herlo: that might work |
| 15:34.42 | herlo | that's kind of the way I've been maintaining it |
| 15:34.45 | goozbach | but I was thinking least impact |
| 15:34.53 | herlo | goozbach: koji and other tools live in gooselinux.org |
| 15:35.12 | goozbach | renaming/resetting configs on 1000+ pkgs would suck |
| 15:35.12 | herlo | whcih is to build the os, |
| 15:35.19 | goozbach | so if we just took our code |
| 15:35.38 | goozbach | skein, main, bootstrap, etc that is a lot less mess |
| 15:35.39 | herlo | goozbach: can't we just rename the org and be done with it? What's the other implications? |
| 15:35.50 | goozbach | all the checked out repos |
| 15:35.58 | goozbach | koji using the git repos, no? |
| 15:36.13 | herlo | goozbach: well, sure but skein can be modified with one adjustment and the repo can be adjusted |
| 15:36.30 | herlo | I guess there is a bit of a hassle |
| 15:36.45 | herlo | maybe we should decide what goes where first and then figure out the naming convention to match |
| 15:36.53 | goozbach | +1 |
| 15:37.01 | goozbach | but I'm thinking the seperation should happen |
| 15:37.07 | herlo | +1 |
| 15:37.18 | goozbach | if for no other reason than it's difficult to find a non-upstream repo in our current org |
| 15:37.26 | herlo | as long as you start to spell 'separation' correctly :) |
| 15:37.34 | goozbach | whaeeve |
| 15:37.36 | goozbach | r |
| 15:37.37 | herlo | lol |
| 15:38.08 | herlo | here's how I see it then |
| 15:38.34 | herlo | website, documentation, code we contribute etc should live with the gooseproject.org world. |
| 15:38.55 | herlo | Functions and upstream code to build the os should live with the gooselinux.org world. |
| 15:39.53 | goozbach | true |
| 15:40.02 | goozbach | I guess if we did the pain now we could handle it |
| 15:40.08 | goozbach | let's talk about it at the meeting |
| 15:40.28 | herlo | goozbach: good idea |
| 15:40.36 | herlo | goozbach: there are some easy ways to mitigate the problem |
| 15:40.53 | herlo | one is that most of us are using skein to import the project so changing the org there is simple |
| 15:41.41 | herlo | most of the repos that are used for import are stored locally inside one directory, so a simple rm -rf /path/to/gooseproject/* would suffice |
| 15:41.56 | herlo | any git repos that need to be checked out after that could just be re-cloned |
| 15:43.37 | herlo | Nafai: https://github.com/gooseproject/grapple |
| 15:43.55 | Nafai | thanks |
| 15:44.06 | goozbach | very apropos |
| 15:44.08 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:44.42 | herlo | hehe |
| 15:44.50 | herlo | lubs thesaurus.com |
| 15:46.39 | goozbach | https://github.com/organizations/gooselinux |
| 15:46.46 | herlo | vry nice |
| 15:46.51 | goozbach | I just jumpped on that |
| 15:47.00 | herlo | yeah, can't hurt to have it |
| 15:47.04 | goozbach | we'll figure out how to use it at the meeting |
| 15:47.05 | herlo | since we know we'll be using it |
| 15:47.09 | herlo | :) |
| 16:05.40 | herlo | Nafai: are you able to commit to grapple? |
| 16:07.10 | herlo | goozbach: thinking further about it, that makes our permission structure a bit easier to delineate as well |
| 16:07.39 | herlo | since I don't plan to give admin access to the code repos as readily as I would with the github builders |
| 16:07.46 | herlo | s/github/upstream/ |
| 16:08.20 | goozbach | yeah |
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| 16:47.46 | herlo | makfinsky: goozbach: do you still think the workflow that I defined for skein is valid? Or should we rethink it? |
| 16:48.57 | herlo | https://groups.google.com/group/goose-linux/browse_thread/thread/e43b559223e166cc <-- this workflow |
| 16:53.30 | makfinsky | herlo: Gimme a few mins/hours. Have customer stuff to work on atm. |
| 17:16.08 | herlo | makfinsky: no worries, just wondering if you all thought it was still worth me doing the work. |
| 17:16.21 | herlo | in the meantime, I'll work more on deplist, I guess |
| 17:25.35 | makfinsky | Customer is going into a dev staff meeting in a few mins, am reviewing the workflow now. |
| 17:26.01 | herlo | kk |
| 17:55.09 | Nafai | herlo: Yeah, I can do it today |
| 17:55.28 | Nafai | interspersed with other commitments, but it's managable |
| 17:59.37 | herlo | Nafai: no rush, just thought that was the plan |
| 17:59.48 | Nafai | cool |
| 18:00.11 | herlo | Nafai: was actually considering meeting up with you somewhere to sit and hack today or tomorrow |
| 18:00.37 | herlo | we could meet up at a coffee shop nearer you since I know you can't drive after dark |
| 18:01.05 | Nafai | tomorrow might be good |
| 18:01.19 | Nafai | I could meet you up in Draper or something like that |
| 18:01.22 | herlo | k, I'll ping ya in the morning |
| 18:01.40 | herlo | yeah, that would work, there's a B&B on 12300 S and like 250 East |
| 18:01.55 | Nafai | Yeah, I think I know where that is |
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| 18:07.47 | herlo | if you need a ride anywhere just let me know |
| 18:14.16 | Nafai | thanks |
| 18:32.41 | makfinsky | Dang, looks like I need to come out to Salt Lake in order to be part of the "in" crowd... |
| 18:37.51 | herlo | hehe |
| 18:37.56 | herlo | makfinsky: you aren't too far away |
| 18:42.24 | Nafai | makfinsky: Where are you located? |
| 18:48.36 | shalkie | VA has some really cool things going on in the hip enviro crowd. :-) |
| 18:49.41 | herlo | goozbach: do we not have our own twitter? |
| 18:50.40 | goozbach | I thought I signed up for an account |
| 18:51.23 | herlo | what's the url? |
| 18:51.30 | herlo | I could be just getting it wrong |
| 18:51.56 | goozbach | I'm looking |
| 18:52.01 | goozbach | it doesn't appear I did |
| 18:52.21 | herlo | FUUUUUUUUUUUU! |
| 18:52.39 | herlo | goozbach: k, what about identi.ca, facebook and G+? |
| 18:53.49 | herlo | found identi.ca |
| 18:55.23 | goozbach | what's with the FUUUUUU? |
| 18:56.32 | herlo | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=FUUUUUUUUU |
| 18:56.38 | herlo | goozbach: ^^ |
| 18:57.29 | goozbach | I know what it is. just wondering why I deserved that response... |
| 18:59.24 | herlo | oh, I'm just goofing around |
| 18:59.31 | herlo | didn't consider that response rude |
| 18:59.40 | herlo | still don't. More just silly |
| 19:01.39 | goozbach | I interpreted it as rude. I probabally shouldn't have but I had a viceral reaction |
| 19:01.52 | goozbach | "holy crap! it's just a social media account!" |
| 19:01.53 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:03.14 | herlo | lol |
| 19:03.38 | herlo | I guess it's all about how you take it.... |
| 19:03.47 | herlo | I like to take mine with cream and sugar |
| 19:04.02 | herlo | goozbach: so I don't see a facebook account or group either |
| 19:04.56 | goozbach | ther isn't |
| 19:05.02 | goozbach | we need to get that |
| 19:05.32 | herlo | k, I'll just pretend for now |
| 19:05.40 | herlo | is building webpages again |
| 19:06.31 | herlo | goozbach: just let me know what the links are when you create the accounts :) |
| 19:09.49 | goozbach | will do |
| 19:10.43 | goozbach | http://slipsum.com/ |
| 19:10.48 | goozbach | herlo: that might help you! |
| 19:12.17 | herlo | lol |
| 19:12.34 | herlo | goozbach: nice site, but I have content, just not links :) |
| 19:12.43 | herlo | <!-- start slipsum code --> |
| 19:12.46 | herlo | Your bones don't break, mine do. That's clear. Your cells react to bacteria and viruses differently than mine. You don't get sick, I do. That's also clear. But for some reason, you and I react the exact same way to water. We swallow it too fast, we choke. We get some in our lungs, we drown. However unreal it may seem, we are connected, you and I. We're on the same curve, just on opposite ends. |
| 19:12.52 | herlo | lol! |
| 19:28.38 | makfinsky | Well, dang, I just met dramsey. |
| 19:29.20 | herlo | nice |
| 19:29.20 | makfinsky | Nafai: I live in the DC area. Just a short flight, connection, second flight, and cab ride away from SLC. |
| 19:29.37 | herlo | makfinsky: no, there's a direct flight from both IAD and BWI |
| 19:29.51 | makfinsky | He happens to be working at the customer site, across the desk from me, this whole time! |
| 19:30.04 | makfinsky | herlo: Ah, then from IAD I'll go! |
| 19:30.07 | herlo | and when you land in SLC, you are IN Salt Lake |
| 19:30.25 | makfinsky | Ah, ok. |
| 19:31.33 | goozbach | herlo: just created facebook page |
| 19:31.45 | herlo | goozbach: not a group? |
| 19:32.11 | herlo | although a page is probably easier to use |
| 19:32.41 | goozbach | pages are easy to manage |
| 19:32.57 | goozbach | and we want the majority of the iteraction to happen via mailing list, no? |
| 19:33.39 | makfinsky | herlo: After re-reading the skein proposal, I think it still applies. |
| 19:35.50 | herlo | goozbach: yeah, just figure we can post major events there, so it works |
| 19:35.51 | Nafai | makfinsky: cool. |
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| 19:37.35 | goozbach_web | hi guys |
| 19:38.40 | herlo | goozbach_web: um, hi... |
| 19:39.24 | goozbach | building up a link for sending people here with webchat |
| 19:40.24 | herlo | goozbach: um... |
| 19:40.30 | herlo | are we duplicating work |
| 19:40.31 | goozbach | um? |
| 19:40.39 | goozbach | I donno |
| 19:40.49 | herlo | what does 'building up a link for sending people here with webchat' mean? |
| 19:40.54 | goozbach | are you writing a "intro to gooseproject" blogpost |
| 19:40.55 | goozbach | ? |
| 19:41.01 | herlo | no! whew! |
| 19:41.08 | herlo | I thought you were building the website |
| 19:41.12 | goozbach | no |
| 19:41.15 | goozbach | http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=gooseproject&uio=MTE9MzY5cf |
| 19:41.20 | herlo | yeah, I've used that |
| 19:41.20 | goozbach | just made that link |
| 19:41.25 | herlo | just wasn't sure what you were getting at |
| 19:41.38 | herlo | but I'll add that to the new website, too :) |
| 19:41.42 | goozbach | ok |
| 19:47.15 | goozbach | I'm at the end of the first draft |
| 19:47.25 | goozbach | any suggestions/blantant typsos |
| 19:47.29 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.54 | goozbach | refresh I just added some stuff |
| 19:51.25 | goozbach | herlo: can you modify my utos planet feed to http://feeds.feedburner.com/GoozbachsTechTips-planetutah-atom |
| 19:51.27 | goozbach | ? |
| 20:16.49 | shalkie | http://spot.livejournal.com/319618.html |
| 20:23.26 | makfinsky | Hehe, nice time travel comments. |
| 20:59.41 | shalkie | I think I need a drink after today. |
| 20:59.52 | shalkie | ls |
| 20:59.55 | shalkie | blech. |
| 21:09.41 | makfinsky | Woa! Gurulabs pdf is referenced the RHN docs! http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Network_Satellite/5.4/html-single/Channel_Management_Guide/index.html#sect-Channel_Management_Guide-Building_packages_for_RHN-RHN_RPM_Guidelines |
| 21:22.25 | makfinsky | Wow, that thread on using github went on forever... I guess we all just agreed here to get things done first and then squabble about details like that one... |
| 21:22.30 | makfinsky | Hooray for cooperation! |
| 21:24.33 | herlo | makfinsky: yeah GL has been in there a while |
| 21:24.53 | makfinsky | Didn't we more or less start with github? |
| 21:25.00 | herlo | yes |
| 21:26.15 | makfinsky | Hooray! |
| 21:26.45 | herlo | lol |
| 21:29.00 | Nafai | herlo: flask looks pretty easy, this should be straight-forward :) |
| 21:29.29 | herlo | Nafai: cool. BTw, I'm happy with web.py too |
| 21:30.40 | Nafai | I haven't used either, so it doesn't matter for me. |
| 21:31.10 | herlo | Nafai: let me see if flask is in Fedora and such or we can't use it anyway |
| 21:33.02 | shalkie | makfinsky: herlo: You guys ever see chmod 1777 /tmp leave setuid and setgid in place on a RHEL6/ext4 setup? |
| 21:33.27 | herlo | shalkie: yes |
| 21:33.32 | herlo | shalkie: you need to read the man page |
| 21:33.38 | makfinsky | shalkie: You're saying that after running that command you ended up with 7777 on /tmp? |
| 21:33.39 | herlo | man chmod |
| 21:33.49 | Nafai | herlo: good point |
| 21:34.23 | shalkie | man is always a good point. :-) |
| 21:34.27 | herlo | shalkie: in the man page, read the section that has the heading 'SETUID AND SETGID BITS' |
| 21:34.37 | herlo | shalkie: Nafai is responding to a different point |
| 21:35.43 | shalkie | I see. Well that is a new tidbit. I didn't know that numeric won't clear the SetGID and SetUID bit. |
| 21:36.01 | herlo | shalkie: it's in the man page :) |
| 21:36.24 | herlo | it's funny because I was asked about that a couple weeks ago in class. Someone mentioned that in class... |
| 21:36.40 | herlo | so we looked it up on the man page, and sure enough. |
| 21:38.05 | shalkie | Thanks. I just had to find that out from a class too. |
| 21:38.10 | shalkie | bleck. |
| 21:38.15 | makfinsky | Topic for tonight - Switching to our own buildroot! |
| 21:38.29 | herlo | w00t! Looks like we've built all the packages for it to be done! |
| 21:38.32 | shalkie | The way this class is going I think I am about ready to retire to some place in mexico. |
| 21:38.40 | shalkie | Cool. :-) |
| 21:38.43 | herlo | shalkie: aren't you in mexico next month? |
| 21:38.59 | herlo | thinks you could just retire after those two weeks :) |
| 21:39.00 | shalkie | Oh, no the class got cancelled. We shall see if it gets rebooked. |
| 21:39.13 | herlo | lol |
| 21:40.20 | makfinsky | Hey now... I want to get gigs in Mexico. |
| 21:40.29 | makfinsky | I even speak the language, fluently. |
| 21:43.34 | makfinsky | I think I've only used my foreign language skills maybe three times in 15 years of work... :( |
| 21:43.55 | makfinsky | Just goes to show... The US pays better.=-O |
| 21:45.52 | herlo | makfinsky: you do *not* speak Mexican :) |
| 21:46.23 | herlo | it's quite a different dialect from traditional spanish, aiui |
| 21:52.37 | makfinsky | Listen, vato, I can speek mejican. |
| 21:53.24 | herlo | lol |
| 21:53.28 | makfinsky | Hmm 'vato' is a SoCal thing. I should have said 'hermano'. |
| 21:53.34 | herlo | took you long enough |
| 21:54.02 | makfinsky | I know my latin dialects. |
| 21:54.14 | makfinsky | I can even pull of an Argentine accent. |
| 21:54.29 | herlo | and russian, as I recall. Though out of context for this discussion |
| 21:54.48 | makfinsky | Indeed. |
| 21:55.46 | makfinsky | Ok, so there are a few pkgs I can use some help with - linuxdoc-tools (requires munging perl's installvendorlib), Yap(No freaking idea what that needs to build properly). |
| 22:01.15 | herlo | well, I can look into Yap in a bit. Just about done with the community page for our new site |
| 22:02.51 | smooge | herlo where is the new salt srpm? I lost my link |
| 22:03.05 | makfinsky | Yeah, help with those two pkgs would be great. Am going through koji now to see what other pkgs we don't yet have built. |
| 22:03.19 | herlo | smooge: thatch posted it yesterday |
| 22:03.22 | makfinsky | Hehe, smooge is in here to harass herlo about salt rpms... :) |
| 22:03.25 | herlo | let me see if I can find the link |
| 22:06.21 | herlo | smooge: http://red45.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/salt-0-9-2-fedora-support-and-better-states/ |
| 22:06.34 | herlo | any of the koji links there will get you the srpm |
| 22:06.45 | makfinsky | Handy dandy for loop for checking the latest builds: for i in $(koji list-pkgs | tail -n +3) ; do koji latest-by-tag $i | grep dist-el6 | grep -v gl6 ; done |
| 22:07.08 | herlo | makfinsky: or you could use chase buildinfo |
| 22:07.18 | smooge | herlo, okie dokie.. will update the rpms and update stuff on fedorapeople. |
| 22:07.25 | herlo | smooge: ?? |
| 22:07.48 | herlo | smooge: do you have it in a yum repo somewhere? |
| 22:07.54 | smooge | yeah |
| 22:07.59 | smooge | I told you I thought |
| 22:08.02 | herlo | oh, I could update that for you in the future |
| 22:08.07 | herlo | smooge: I don't recall that |
| 22:08.10 | smooge | smooges.fedorapeople.org |
| 22:08.16 | smooge | or something close to that |
| 22:08.25 | herlo | yeah, that didn't work |
| 22:08.30 | makfinsky | Hmm, I should probably spend more time with koji cli... |
| 22:08.40 | herlo | smooge: this? http://smooge.fedorapeople.org/smooge-x86_64-el6/ |
| 22:08.54 | smooge | yeah |
| 22:08.56 | smooge | sorry |
| 22:09.13 | smooge | I build that local to make it work on my servers |
| 22:09.18 | herlo | smooge: no worries. BTW, we need someone to harass the zeromq maintainer into fixing the el5 build to work with salt |
| 22:09.34 | herlo | thatch tried, but he said he has finals |
| 22:09.40 | smooge | ok |
| 22:09.47 | smooge | will look after I deal with PPC |
| 22:10.41 | herlo | kk |
| 22:10.59 | herlo | smooge: I could build ppc too, I just need to remember |
| 22:11.32 | smooge | no something completely different for PPC. my focus today is getting our PPC servers working |
| 22:11.51 | makfinsky | herlo: What's the process for removing pkgs from koji? There a few that were erroneously added. Ala: https://koji.gooselinux.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=191 |
| 22:12.24 | herlo | makfinsky: hack the db |
| 22:12.38 | herlo | makfinsky: before we do that, we should dump it |
| 22:12.48 | herlo | smooge: oh, I see |
| 22:12.54 | makfinsky | Ok, was just curious. No need to do it now. |
| 22:13.05 | herlo | makfinsky: yeah, just make a list and log a bug somewhere |
| 22:13.38 | herlo | once we determine the path of migration shortly, logging the bug will be easier |
| 22:13.41 | shalkie | I was wondering the same thing. I think we have all done that. |
| 22:13.43 | herlo | http://gooseproject.github.com/community.html <-- thoughts? |
| 22:16.55 | Nafai | herlo: btw, is it flask or web.py? |
| 22:19.36 | herlo | Nafai: oh sorry. hang on |
| 22:20.04 | herlo | Nafai: flask looks to be installed so either is good |
| 22:20.16 | herlo | python-flask.noarch 0.6.1-2.fc15 |
| 22:20.51 | herlo | python-webpy.noarch 0.32-6.fc15 |
| 22:21.24 | Nafai | cool |
| 22:38.25 | makfinsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.42 | makfinsky | herlo: Am I using chase correctly? $ chase buildinfo --unbuilt dist-el6 |
| 22:48.32 | herlo | probably |
| 22:52.49 | makfinsky | Ok, yeah, chase says that 222 pkgs have yet to be built, spot checking confirms that this is not accurate. Running the for loop above shows that less than a handful of pkgs need to be built. I'll dig into the chase code later tonight. |
| 22:53.05 | makfinsky | Exciting! My first real code contrib to goose! |
| 22:53.39 | herlo | makfinsky: yeah, I know it needs to be fixed. There's a big bug. |
| 22:53.50 | herlo | But I already started on the work, and it does sound like you could fix it |
| 22:54.38 | makfinsky | Kool. I'll dig into it once I get back to the hotel.. An hour or so from now. |
| 22:56.40 | herlo | makfinsky: should work. We're going to go eat shortly too |
| 22:56.55 | makfinsky | So, there are basically three problem pkgs left in our current import tree - jakarta-taglibs-standard, linuxdoc-tools, and Yap. The rest are building now and have resolvable issues - mostly depend on one of these pkgs being built. |
| 22:57.34 | makfinsky | linuxdoc-tools has a known solution, we just need to implement it, as ugly as it is. |
| 22:57.43 | herlo | k, after I get back from dinner, I can look at Yap |
| 22:57.43 | makfinsky | The other two, no idea what's causing the failure. |
| 22:57.48 | makfinsky | Rocking. |
| 22:57.52 | herlo | and jakarta-libs too |
| 22:57.59 | herlo | off to din-din |
| 22:58.08 | makfinsky | shalkie, goozbach: any b/w to look at the jakarta pkg? |
| 22:58.12 | makfinsky | Ah, ok! |
| 22:58.17 | makfinsky | Have good eats! |
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| 23:04.12 | shalkie | b/w? |
| 23:04.28 | shalkie | I was working on jakarta-taglibs-standard and Yap. |
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| 23:16.19 | makfinsky | shalkie: Bandwidth. Mgmt speak for time, energy, motivation. |
| 23:16.28 | makfinsky | Ok, excellent! |
| 23:16.36 | makfinsky | I am still working on systemtap and it's deps. |
| 23:16.49 | makfinsky | Having to hand import the stupid *mm24 pkgs. |
| 23:17.04 | makfinsky | The pkg name doesn't match the spec filenames. |