| 01:00.38 | Nafai | ok, time to work on other projects today |
| 01:00.42 | Nafai | like making money |
| 01:01.13 | Nafai | but hey, grapple is mostly functional |
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| 01:04.57 | albino | so why are you guys reinventing centos? I would really like to understand |
| 01:06.34 | Nafai | Everyone must be busy building packages :) |
| 01:06.42 | albino | I thought you automated that |
| 01:06.50 | Nafai | Working on it. |
| 01:06.57 | Nafai | :) |
| 01:14.30 | herlo | albino: we're not reinventing centos |
| 01:15.01 | albino | herlo: would you mind explaining the distinction then? |
| 01:15.05 | herlo | albino: sure |
| 01:15.18 | herlo | it's a very common question |
| 01:15.32 | herlo | albino: how long did it take centos 6 to come out after RHEL6? |
| 01:16.00 | albino | herlo: I don't know, do you have an exact figure on that? |
| 01:16.07 | herlo | yes, 253 days |
| 01:16.21 | herlo | so let's examine why it took so long |
| 01:16.24 | albino | okay, was there a given reason from the centos people as to why? |
| 01:16.33 | herlo | not directly |
| 01:16.33 | albino | IIRC it was labeled as "testing" |
| 01:16.44 | herlo | well, 'testing' isn't a valid reasoning |
| 01:16.49 | albino | why not? |
| 01:17.02 | herlo | because you don't need to test a release for almost a year |
| 01:17.10 | herlo | that's what a *community* is for |
| 01:17.11 | albino | "testing" is valid, but I can sure see others being able to do the same testing in much less time |
| 01:17.30 | herlo | albino: right, I'm saying it's not a valid reason for the delay, not that it's invalid as a process |
| 01:17.38 | herlo | but that's really not why it took so long |
| 01:17.47 | goozbach | Nafai: gpl2 |
| 01:17.49 | herlo | sure it took a bit of time to ramp up a new release |
| 01:17.53 | albino | herlo: why do you think it took so long? |
| 01:18.22 | Nafai | goozbach: thx |
| 01:18.24 | herlo | albino: because they lack a contributor community beyond the core team. They suffered from the 'hit by a truck' metaphor |
| 01:18.58 | herlo | in fact, one of their staff who was key to the process up and disappeared for something like 2-3 months iirc |
| 01:19.13 | herlo | the knowledge of how to build the system is locked within a few people's heads |
| 01:19.23 | herlo | tribal knowledge, if you will |
| 01:19.30 | albino | Is there anyway you guys could contribute your work directly to CentOS instead of making Goose a competitor? |
| 01:19.57 | herlo | albino: now see there's where you might have a good point, except to say that I don't think we're in competition |
| 01:20.34 | herlo | but there are plenty of examples of people who have offered service on the mailing list only to get no reply or a curt 'no thanks' |
| 01:20.42 | herlo | not that centos isn't a great project |
| 01:20.53 | herlo | I think it is, but it suffers from the lack of a contributor community |
| 01:21.06 | albino | I'll just be upfront with you and say that it's going to be really hard to overcome CentOS, it's already got the uptake and name recognition |
| 01:21.30 | herlo | it's a hard problem to solve. Other groups who do similar things, Scientific Linux and Ascendos, for instance will run into similar problems down the road |
| 01:21.37 | herlo | I don't think we're here to over take CentOS |
| 01:21.42 | herlo | you are still missing the point there |
| 01:21.49 | albino | I thought I was going to get a much less logical reason as to why the project existed, but I can actually get behind the reasoning given |
| 01:22.29 | herlo | the point is that we're here to make sure that there are good and well documented ways in which to enable any community of folks to do the same thing we're doing |
| 01:22.35 | herlo | we're trying to document everything as we go |
| 01:22.58 | herlo | and we're working on enabling community members to come and learn the entire process so that there isn't the 'tribal knowledge' problem again |
| 01:23.22 | herlo | with more communities rebuilding the upstream, it'll be easier to repeat the process in the future |
| 01:23.33 | albino | that won't be good enough if it doesn't get uptake |
| 01:23.42 | albino | honestly, you guys could have the best build tools in the world |
| 01:23.46 | albino | full automation and everything |
| 01:23.53 | albino | if it doesn't get used, what's the point? |
| 01:23.57 | herlo | albino: but yeah, you are right, we need a community |
| 01:24.01 | herlo | and that's our main foucs |
| 01:24.05 | herlo | s/uc/cu/ |
| 01:24.09 | albino | If I have to wait 253 days for the next release of centos, it will still suck just as bad |
| 01:24.32 | herlo | why do you have to wait for centos when GoOSe could be ready in 2-4 months?? |
| 01:24.41 | herlo | that's 60-120 days, less than half the time |
| 01:24.49 | albino | name recognition |
| 01:24.51 | albino | as I said before |
| 01:24.53 | herlo | and for minor releases we're targeting 45-60 days |
| 01:25.02 | albino | I even support clients with commercial software that calls out centos by name |
| 01:25.14 | herlo | albino: so many people were angry with the delay and went to Scientific Linux, for instance |
| 01:25.31 | albino | well if you can compete and take over the base I'm good with that |
| 01:25.37 | albino | just seems like an uphill battle |
| 01:25.37 | herlo | albino: sure, and we have plans to get our name out there more and more. How did you hear about this project? |
| 01:25.46 | albino | Nafai |
| 01:25.49 | albino | we're roomates |
| 01:25.51 | herlo | ahh |
| 01:26.10 | Nafai | :) |
| 01:26.20 | albino | any chance you guys would be smart enough to do the same thing for SLES ? |
| 01:26.23 | herlo | again, it's not a battle, it's all about making choices available. We should be as interoperable as any other clone... |
| 01:26.29 | albino | I guarentee it's needed in the comercial world |
| 01:26.31 | herlo | albino: maybe, but that's not our goal |
| 01:26.41 | albino | herlo: you should add it as a subgoal |
| 01:26.52 | herlo | thinks SLES is an overcomplicated distro, personally |
| 01:27.02 | albino | subgoal #1: kick ass at rebuilding comercial distros |
| 01:27.10 | albino | I think the same thing about redhat |
| 01:27.12 | herlo | albino: I don't think that's going to be in my goals |
| 01:27.20 | albino | unfortunatley doesn't change the comercial viability |
| 01:27.41 | albino | well that sucks |
| 01:27.45 | herlo | albino: both are commercially viable, but that's again not the goal of this project. I think it could be down the road as an add on |
| 01:27.52 | albino | the same "community" is needed for SLES too |
| 01:27.58 | herlo | things like appliances and such |
| 01:28.11 | herlo | albino: so start it, can't be that difficult to find like-minded souls |
| 01:28.33 | herlo | notes that he isn't the creator of this project, just its current champion (in this convo at least) |
| 01:29.06 | herlo | thanks goozbach for suggesting it and getting him involved |
| 01:29.15 | herlo | hence the name |
| 01:29.42 | albino | I'd rather you start it and I contribute |
| 01:29.43 | herlo | albino: I think our model could work for any commercial distro needing some community rebuilding |
| 01:29.51 | albino | might as well group this "community" under one umbrella |
| 01:29.54 | herlo | albino: we'd love it if you'd contribute |
| 01:30.26 | albino | I actually wish more open source projects did that |
| 01:30.37 | herlo | albino: but the methodologies between SLES and others are *very* different. I didn't define the way they built their distro, it'd be hard to just wedge it into our project |
| 01:31.06 | herlo | but I really think the processes themselves could be applied to any rebuild project |
| 01:31.25 | herlo | the major question you'd have to ask is 'what is the repercussions of rebuilding SLES' |
| 01:31.32 | albino | really? |
| 01:31.40 | albino | that seems bogus to me |
| 01:31.55 | albino | if we can't abstract that enough to make it work for both distros we suck as programmers |
| 01:32.29 | albino | herlo: I'm curious as to the answer you would give to your proposed question |
| 01:32.31 | herlo | albino: oh, I don't think so |
| 01:32.53 | albino | my answer would be: hell yeah, an nother open source equivalent to centos |
| 01:33.12 | albino | I thought even the Novell build service handled both distros |
| 01:33.14 | herlo | albino: and yes, I think that's great! I just don't think it fits within gooseproject |
| 01:33.22 | herlo | albino: I have no interest in OBS |
| 01:33.26 | albino | and them both being rpm seems like they would be at least similar enough in that regard |
| 01:33.34 | herlo | it's nice and all, but koji works really well for what we do |
| 01:33.46 | albino | neither do I, except for to say someone else figured out the abstraction, why can't we |
| 01:33.50 | herlo | albino: but they really aren't, and now we're into technical weeds |
| 01:34.08 | herlo | and I have another meeting I have to head off for |
| 01:34.10 | albino | technical weeds are fine |
| 01:34.13 | albino | ahh |
| 01:34.15 | herlo | can we start up another convo later on? |
| 01:34.19 | albino | herlo: thanks for the info |
| 01:34.29 | herlo | albino: anytime, we'd love to have your help |
| 01:34.53 | albino | well yeah, I think I just got ousted before starting, but I'll watch your progress |
| 01:35.32 | herlo | cool |
| 01:42.36 | goozbach | albino: ousted before started? how so? |
| 01:44.22 | Nafai | goozbach: I think albino meant that since his goals might be broader/different than the project's, it would be hard to contribute |
| 01:44.27 | Nafai | Or maybe I misunderstand him :) |
| 01:44.56 | herlo | goozbach: I think he wants to build SLES and I kind of shot that down... |
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| 02:27.54 | herlo | goozbach: ping |
| 02:28.04 | goozbach | pong |
| 02:28.20 | goozbach | you lucked out I was 10sec from closing the laptop lid |
| 02:28.31 | herlo | lol |
| 02:30.51 | herlo | so GoOSe is going to be on This Week In Fedora |
| 02:31.13 | herlo | goozbach: ^^ |
| 02:31.23 | herlo | http://frostbitemedia.org/node/8 |
| 02:31.33 | herlo | should hit Friday or Saturday, he said |
| 02:33.06 | goozbach | reawesome! |
| 02:33.14 | herlo | reawesome? |
| 02:33.15 | herlo | lol |
| 02:33.18 | goozbach | in the refried beans sense |
| 02:33.24 | herlo | nice |
| 02:33.30 | goozbach | not awesome again |
| 02:33.34 | herlo | lol |
| 02:33.36 | herlo | okay |
| 02:33.38 | goozbach | but overly awesome |
| 02:33.48 | herlo | Jonathan Nadeau interviewed me tonight for about 45 minutes |
| 02:33.57 | herlo | 20+ minutes were on GoOSe |
| 02:33.59 | herlo | !! |
| 02:36.43 | Nafai | yay |
| 02:37.04 | Nafai | herlo: I just commited a readme :) |
| 02:37.13 | herlo | Nafai: w00t! |
| 02:37.14 | Nafai | Pardon the funky formatting, I need to edit the style |
| 02:37.20 | herlo | Nafai: use rst |
| 02:38.17 | herlo | Nafai: kind of looks like rst, but didn't look at it |
| 02:38.48 | Nafai | org-mode! :) |
| 02:38.57 | herlo | yeah, that works I guess |
| 02:39.06 | herlo | but others may have to work with it now |
| 02:39.20 | Nafai | I know, I know :( |
| 02:39.28 | Nafai | if only eveeryone were as cool as me |
| 02:42.23 | herlo | lol |
| 02:42.27 | herlo | yes, that's it |
| 03:54.26 | Nafai | herlo: |
| 03:54.28 | Nafai | nafai@kutty-box:~/Projects/goose/grapple[master *=]$ git log --oneline |
| 03:54.30 | Nafai | 2bc7f66 Appease the pedantic gods and fix formatting and structure. |
| 03:54.32 | Nafai | 559e9cc Appease the VIM gods and convert org-mode -> rst. |
| 03:54.45 | Nafai | :P |
| 03:57.51 | herlo | lol |
| 04:07.28 | shalkie | herlo: I suck? |
| 04:07.36 | shalkie | :-P |
| 04:07.55 | shalkie | Goose Evening all. |
| 04:10.01 | herlo | shalkie: there was a reference |
| 04:10.50 | Nafai | Hey shalkie |
| 04:11.00 | shalkie | Hey Nafai |
| 04:11.13 | shalkie | herlo: Btw, nice convo there. :-) |
| 04:13.53 | herlo | which one? |
| 04:15.04 | shalkie | regarding Goose instead of Contributing to CentOS |
| 04:17.27 | shalkie | I use to wonder why there isn't a SLES rebuild out there, much like albino. I also don't think I have seen a rebuild of Ubuntu either... |
| 04:17.56 | herlo | shalkie: someone just has to step up and do it |
| 04:18.19 | herlo | shalkie: it could easily be albino |
| 04:20.20 | albino | shalkie: I'm sure it can be done, I just think it would be better as part of a joint project with something like goose |
| 04:21.08 | Nafai | shalkie: I doubt there are plain rebuilds of Ubuntu, but there are plenty of derivatives |
| 04:21.35 | Nafai | shalkie: not as much motivation to due a pure rebuild as it isn't a commercial only distro |
| 04:21.42 | albino | why rebuild ubuntu though? Isn't it all out in the open already? |
| 04:24.47 | shalkie | albino: I am sure that it could be done as well. I think GoOSe has helped lay down some good ground work for how it could be done as well. I don't have a doubt that there would be some interest in it as well. |
| 04:24.56 | shalkie | Rebuilding SLES that is. |
| 04:26.12 | shalkie | I think your right regarding Ubuntu. Part of the reason that I used CentOS was for the stability and the availability of updates. Ubuntu seems to provide those on an ongoing basis. |
| 04:27.33 | albino | yeah, I'm on the record as thinking it's a good idea :) |
| 04:27.44 | shalkie | I might dip my toe in the SLES rebuild pool. I would want to play with the koji systems a bit more before I do. I will let you know if I give it a whirl though. :-) |
| 04:28.40 | shalkie | But to be clear that would be a third subgoal in goose for me. As it stands I am apparently party, I mean con, coordinator. :-) |
| 04:31.14 | shalkie | The last time I checked though I don't recall seeing a free src.rpm repo for updates though with SLES. I think that might be inhibiting rebuilds, though not necessarily preventing, rebuilds. |
| 04:31.29 | shalkie | Now I am curious... |
| 04:32.15 | shalkie | herlo: Thinking of a Con. I was thinking maybe holding it at the same time as another conference. Since the first will probably be somewhat informal anyways. |
| 04:32.18 | shalkie | Thoughts? |
| 04:32.30 | herlo | shalkie: sure |
| 04:34.59 | shalkie | That way if travel is required there is a little more justification. Though it would be cool to get to a point of being able to pick a point on the map. Say San Francisco in 2015? |
| 04:35.07 | shalkie | is trying to be practicle about it. |
| 04:36.50 | shalkie | unlike my spelling it seems. :-) |
| 04:37.46 | herlo | lol |
| 04:54.39 | shalkie | Idle Speculation: Since Oracle is building sparc chips I wonder if they will do a "port" of OEL. Cause that would be cool. |
| 05:56.41 | shalkie | The one thing I don't see with SLES, and I don't think I have ever seen, is a "free" place to download the updates, even if just in source form. I think you have to get a subscription to YOU to get any and all updates. Kind of a bummer. |
| 05:57.22 | shalkie | I will have to keep digging on that. But it is time for sleep. nn |
| 05:59.52 | herlo | nn shalkie |
| 06:40.48 | herlo | k, I think the migration script is pretty much ready to go. I plan to run it sometime tomorrow. |
| 06:40.53 | herlo | GoOSe Night! |
| 13:32.08 | shalkie | Goose morning. |
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| 16:06.18 | herlo | GoOSe Morning, all |
| 16:07.03 | goozbach | Nafai: WRT to grapple versioning let's try semver.org |
| 16:08.49 | herlo | goozbach: +1 |
| 16:09.13 | goozbach | just updated the wiki with those changes: https://github.com/gooseproject/gooseproject-main/wiki/policies_and_procedures |
| 16:09.19 | goozbach | gpl2 and semver |
| 16:09.30 | goozbach | herlo: you using semver for skein? |
| 16:09.33 | goozbach | and chase? |
| 16:11.08 | herlo | goozbach: skein, yes. chase still isn't mature enough |
| 16:11.26 | herlo | chase needs some love soon. |
| 16:11.52 | herlo | goozbach: I've actually been working on a 1.1 release of skein to do the migration of the repos |
| 16:12.40 | goozbach | chase should be 0.0.X then amIrite?! |
| 16:12.43 | goozbach | :) |
| 16:12.58 | herlo | yeah |
| 16:13.12 | herlo | it doesn't have a version, but it would be that if it did |
| 16:36.20 | herlo | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-studionow/index.html <-- nice |
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| 16:47.06 | shalkie | So close to lunch time... |
| 16:53.11 | goozbach | why avoid the GPL? |
| 16:53.42 | herlo | goozbach: I only skimmed it, was there a reference to that? |
| 16:53.51 | goozbach | said it in a bullet point |
| 16:53.58 | goozbach | didn't look deeper for the answer |
| 16:54.04 | herlo | wow, I missed that |
| 16:54.15 | shalkie | I don't think it said beyond "AOL Lawyers". |
| 16:56.47 | Nafai | goozbach: definitely. |
| 16:57.00 | Nafai | goozbach: yay, you read the README. :) |
| 16:57.45 | shalkie | mmm... Lunch. |
| 16:58.10 | herlo | lol |
| 16:58.15 | herlo | shalkie: you must be very hungry |
| 16:58.40 | Nafai | mmm...breakfast |
| 16:58.57 | shalkie | Surprisingly yes. And my class is CDT. So it is noon... |
| 16:59.18 | herlo | understood that |
| 16:59.32 | herlo | kind of figured since it's only 11am here |
| 16:59.51 | herlo | njoy your lunch |
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| 17:49.07 | makfinsky | Erm... avoid the gpl? |
| 17:49.21 | makfinsky | is late the conversation. |
| 17:49.42 | Nafai | makfinsky: please explain. :) |
| 17:50.01 | Nafai | I understand the problems with GPLv3, but curious your opinion |
| 17:50.30 | makfinsky | Nafai: Last message I saw was "goozbach: why avoid the GPL?" I am asking what that conversation was about. |
| 17:50.39 | Nafai | ah |
| 17:50.44 | Nafai | looks back |
| 17:50.56 | makfinsky | I wasn't in the channel, so I have no scrollback. |
| 17:51.19 | goozbach | makfinsky: there was an article on how to build a $35m business using open source |
| 17:51.33 | goozbach | and aparently shopping companies (to buy startups) don't like the GPL |
| 17:51.39 | Nafai | ah |
| 17:51.43 | goozbach | was the bottom line |
| 17:51.46 | goozbach | #urls |
| 17:51.48 | goozbach | @urls |
| 17:51.48 | goosebot | goozbach: Error: "urls" is not a valid command. |
| 17:51.54 | goozbach | @url last |
| 17:51.54 | goosebot | goozbach: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-studionow/index.html |
| 17:52.03 | makfinsky | goozbach: Oh, interesting. |
| 17:54.08 | makfinsky | Nafai: I haven't read the gplv3 so I am not informed as the issues with it, I only know that Linus and a few other notable OSS folks have publicly voiced concerns over it. |
| 17:55.42 | makfinsky | From what I understand the issue is that it's too restrictive in how open you are forced to be with any code that's shipped with gplv3. In other words, stuff that's considered not derivative with gplv1 and 2, is required to be opened sourced for anything that's come into contact with gplv3. |
| 17:56.05 | makfinsky | I could be completely off base in my understanding though. |
| 17:56.19 | goozbach | from what I understand the GPLv3 is too restrictive |
| 17:57.06 | makfinsky | Right, I prefer the option of deciding for myself if I want to share(v2), rather than being forced to share(v3). |
| 17:57.47 | makfinsky | The above is an exaggerated simplification, but I think that's the gist of it. |
| 18:00.30 | makfinsky | As for companies looking for mergers and acquisitions not liking OSS or GPL, that's mostly due to ignorance. Many people today are still under impression that OSS and GPL means you have to give away your time/efforts/ideas. |
| 18:00.50 | goozbach | yeah |
| 18:00.56 | makfinsky | OSS/GPL means you choose to share those things with the world. |
| 18:01.10 | goozbach | if you create something you can re-licence at will |
| 18:01.20 | makfinsky | The remuneration(profit) comes from providing support services. |
| 18:01.42 | goozbach | true, once you've released it you can't get the jinn back into the bottle from that version and derivs |
| 18:02.05 | makfinsky | Right, if you created it, you can also bundle it under a commercial license for "advanced" features and give away the simple code base. |
| 18:02.43 | makfinsky | RH open sources just about everything they get their hands on and make money from providing support services. |
| 18:03.19 | shalkie | And consulting / education |
| 18:03.48 | shalkie | someone in this channel commented once that the real money for RH is consulting rather then support. |
| 18:03.52 | shalkie | looks at herlo |
| 18:04.08 | shalkie | Either way not a cost for the software. |
| 18:07.08 | shalkie | I knew someone that use to argue the same idea for HW companies. They paid developers for drivers and such. |
| 18:08.09 | shalkie | Ironically they already do that under the MS model. I think it is simplier then that though. They publish specs for use and the community builds the drivers. |
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| 19:03.10 | makfinsky | shalkie: Well, not so much. It's in support contracts. Which is mostly subscriptions for updates. |
| 19:03.25 | makfinsky | When the company was smaller, yes, consulting and training made a lot of money for them. |
| 19:04.07 | makfinsky | Nowadays, it's the other way around. Subscriptions make up the large build of the revenue. |
| 19:46.51 | makfinsky | Goose gravy... I am so tired. I could use a shot of goose. |
| 19:47.14 | makfinsky | Ok, finally building last pkg! linuxdoc-tools on it's way! |
| 19:49.46 | herlo | w00t! |
| 19:49.55 | herlo | notes that after that is built, we can migrate |
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| 20:10.39 | makfinsky | Almost done! |
| 20:16.52 | herlo | makfinsky: check your pm! |
| 20:23.58 | herlo | w00h00! it's done! |
| 20:46.05 | makfinsky | Woot, indeed! |
| 20:46.16 | makfinsky | Proud day for the flock. |
| 20:47.16 | herlo | blog it! |
| 20:47.27 | herlo | makfinsky: with THAT title :) |
| 20:47.46 | makfinsky | Hmm, that's an excellent idea! |
| 20:47.51 | makfinsky | Later tonight, after I leave here. |
| 20:49.24 | herlo | makfinsky: indeed |
| 20:49.41 | herlo | I can blog about the reorganization of the repos after I get it complete tonight |
| 20:53.32 | makfinsky | Excellent! |
| 20:59.11 | goozbach | http://identi.ca/notice/84228046 |
| 20:59.15 | goozbach | unleash the hounds |
| 20:59.43 | goozbach | herlo: can you fix my entry on the utos planet? |
| 20:59.50 | herlo | goozbach: let me look |
| 21:00.05 | herlo | goozbach: what do you mean? |
| 21:00.40 | herlo | this is what I see in your feed: http://blog.friocorte.com/feeds/openclue.xml |
| 21:01.14 | herlo | oh, I see how you are! |
| 21:02.20 | herlo | goozbach: it'll show up on the next run, about 20 minutes |
| 21:02.34 | goozbach | I'm trying to distance myself from my openclue/neverblock stuff |
| 21:04.00 | herlo | I understand that |
| 21:07.26 | shalkie | I don't... but whatever. The blog entry is the important part. |
| 21:07.34 | shalkie | Looks good by the way. |
| 21:08.22 | shalkie | Hah! The state is auctioning off palletes of old computers. There is one with 50 systems going with a ~$500 bid. |
| 21:08.44 | shalkie | They are older Dell Optiplex P4s. |
| 21:09.11 | makfinsky | Yeesh, not sure that's worth $500... |
| 21:09.57 | shalkie | Turn around and sell them for $20 a piece for parts. |
| 21:10.33 | shalkie | There is just something about the volume and price that tickles my funny bone. |
| 21:10.56 | makfinsky | Hm... If you can find someone to buy them for $20, maybe. Depends on how long it takes to sell them storage, shipping costs, etc. |
| 21:11.04 | makfinsky | Hhe. |
| 21:12.11 | shalkie | True enough. |
| 21:23.36 | herlo | okay, name all of the project-specific repos in gooseproject plz! |
| 21:23.56 | herlo | has the following: |
| 21:23.58 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.58 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.58 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.58 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.58 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.01 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.03 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.06 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.08 | herlo | any others you guys know of?? |
| 21:24.19 | herlo | goozbach makfinsky shalkie Nafai Nushio ?? |
| 21:26.49 | Nafai | not me |
| 21:27.12 | herlo | kk |
| 21:34.03 | makfinsky | One sec. |
| 21:35.18 | herlo | goozbach: lol, your head is huge on utosp |
| 21:35.24 | herlo | is fixing that now |
| 21:36.31 | Nafai | yeah, don't give goozbach a big head |
| 21:36.39 | Nafai | he might have to be humbled |
| 21:37.25 | herlo | lol |
| 21:37.33 | herlo | it will change here in 3 minutes |
| 21:38.38 | Nushio | HEY herlo, WHAT'S UP? |
| 21:38.47 | Nushio | Whoops, caps |
| 21:39.08 | herlo | Nushio: HIIIIIII!!!! |
| 21:39.11 | Nushio | hah |
| 21:39.30 | Nushio | so maybe I'm not cut out for red hat, or at least for open shift |
| 21:39.38 | Nushio | I was interviewed a while ago |
| 21:39.44 | Nushio | I know jack about algorhythms |
| 21:39.48 | herlo | why not? Is that the project spot was talking about? |
| 21:40.01 | Nushio | well spot was just talking about an open position, he didn't mention where |
| 21:40.22 | herlo | yeah, I was just curious |
| 21:40.24 | Nushio | Dan asked me all sorts of questions on how hashmaps worked in java |
| 21:40.28 | Nushio | and array and binary trees |
| 21:40.32 | herlo | Dan Walsh? |
| 21:40.36 | Nushio | Dan McPherson |
| 21:40.41 | herlo | dunno him |
| 21:40.48 | Nushio | Dan Walsh must be pretty famous, you're the third guy to bring him up :P |
| 21:41.03 | Nushio | anyway, i'm more of a high level java guy |
| 21:41.09 | Nushio | i use apis that handle all that |
| 21:41.20 | herlo | Nushio: Dan Walsh is the author of SELinux modules and such at RH |
| 21:41.36 | Nushio | yeah, I know, but I didn't think he was the first dan in everyone's mind :p |
| 21:41.55 | herlo | oh, only when it comes to redhat |
| 21:42.21 | Nushio | anyway, if i'm not the kind of guy that red hat's looking for, that's fine |
| 21:42.32 | Nushio | I'm not gonna pretend to know how stuff works if I don't |
| 21:42.33 | herlo | otherwise, it's this guy! http://snipurl.com/vqvza |
| 21:42.38 | Nushio | I'm definitely gonna start reading a book about this |
| 21:43.03 | herlo | about what? |
| 21:43.03 | Nushio | go dolphins! |
| 21:43.11 | Nushio | low level access, trees and stuff |
| 21:43.20 | Nushio | how memory works |
| 21:43.20 | herlo | Go Dolphins from 1970s and 1980s |
| 21:43.24 | herlo | ahh, nice! |
| 21:43.33 | Nushio | because, really, i have no idea |
| 21:43.45 | Nushio | i mean, i made a massive multiplayer pokemon rpg |
| 21:43.50 | Nushio | which was super bloated |
| 21:43.56 | Nushio | but it got the job done |
| 21:44.20 | Nushio | and i didn't build it from scratch, I used all sorts of APIs, like the LWJGL or Apache Mina |
| 21:44.41 | herlo | indeed, writing at the low-level is a fun challenge. I did a bunch of that in college |
| 21:44.56 | herlo | Discrete Structures was one of my more fun and challenging classes |
| 21:45.54 | herlo | It's where you learn about Turing complete, Automata and calculating edge distances, or and and xor gates and such |
| 21:46.15 | herlo | lots of fun, but also very logic and math intensive |
| 21:50.49 | herlo | goozbach: https://plus.google.com/100952077644304838223/posts/EAJkKwW7GXz |
| 21:51.18 | Nushio | speaking of google plus... |
| 21:51.26 | herlo | :) |
| 21:51.27 | Nushio | i wrote a libreoffice extension that tweets for ya |
| 21:51.44 | herlo | how is that... oh, I see what you did there! |
| 21:51.57 | Nushio | i did this fancy bridge between libreoffice impress, the wii remote, and twitter |
| 21:52.05 | Nushio | so that my conference tomorrow will be live-tweeted |
| 21:52.54 | herlo | whoa! seriously? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3303699/We-have-broken-speed-of-light.html |
| 21:53.11 | herlo | Nushio: cool, you'll have to show me that sometime! |
| 21:53.14 | Nushio | does this mean we can time travel? |
| 21:53.21 | Nushio | herlo: i intend to publish the scripts and all later tomorrow |
| 21:53.29 | Nushio | it's not very high level |
| 21:53.35 | Nushio | it just required some brainstorming to get it to work |
| 21:54.10 | herlo | cool |
| 21:54.19 | shalkie | herlo: They've gone plaid... |
| 21:54.21 | herlo | but in other news, WE BROKE THE SPEED OF LIGHT! |
| 21:54.24 | shalkie | er, plad. |
| 21:54.30 | herlo | shalkie: ?? |
| 21:54.38 | herlo | both of your words make no sense to me |
| 21:55.43 | shalkie | http://youtu.be/mk7VWcuVOf0 |
| 21:56.18 | Nushio | i showed a buddy of mine the article, herlo |
| 21:56.21 | Nushio | here's what he said |
| 21:56.22 | Nushio | (04:55:47 PM) Miguel Garcia: dude, it was just neutrinos during a single experiment at less than 10 nanoseconds faster than photons |
| 21:56.23 | Nushio | (04:56:13 PM) Miguel Garcia: while their margin of error is of tens of nanoseconds |
| 21:56.33 | Nushio | Juan Rodriguez: so, law not broken? |
| 21:56.33 | Nushio | (04:56:36 PM) Miguel Garcia: not convinced it was |
| 21:56.33 | Nushio | (04:56:53 PM) Miguel Garcia: way more likely a faulty clock |
| 21:56.53 | herlo | yeah, they are getting secondary verification atm |
| 21:57.05 | herlo | but I doubt they would have not thought about those sorts of things |
| 21:58.15 | herlo | OMG! WE BROKE THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!!! |
| 21:58.17 | herlo | THE WORLD IS GONNA ASPLODE!!! |
| 21:58.19 | herlo | runs away!! |
| 22:04.53 | Nushio | herlo: that article is from aug 2007 |
| 22:04.59 | Nushio | just noticed |
| 22:05.04 | herlo | lol |
| 22:05.34 | herlo | Nushio: this one isn't |
| 22:05.35 | herlo | http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/22/us-science-light-idUSTRE78L4FH20110922 |
| 22:06.19 | Nushio | ah |
| 22:06.21 | Nushio | 60 nanoseconds |
| 22:06.32 | herlo | yeah, a bit more time |
| 22:07.31 | Nushio | in my opinion, all we need is a bistromatic engine |
| 22:08.50 | Nushio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_in_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Bistromathic_drive |
| 22:24.05 | Nushio | you know what'd be an awesome belated birthday gift? |
| 22:24.10 | Nushio | the complete idiot's guide to clouds |
| 22:30.44 | Nafai | hrm. wonder if I can convince my client to let my open source the update and deployment service I'm writing |
| 22:40.50 | shalkie | herlo: I am just amazed that you didn't get a spaceballs reference. |
| 22:42.43 | shalkie | Bye bye Apotheker. Hello Whitman. May your stay with HP be longer then the time it takes to pick a donut. |
| 23:38.51 | makfinsky | Wow... I want to be home before I leave. |
| 23:39.19 | makfinsky | Oh, imagine how much work could done if FTL speeds were possible. |
| 23:39.34 | makfinsky | We could release goose before we started the project!! |
| 23:55.10 | smooge | makfinsky, only if the time travel part of various FTL theories were correct. |
| 23:55.38 | smooge | if they aren't then it would mean something else |