| 00:00.08 | lirodon | "I'll definitely look at the ascendos website and see/think about how I could help out - and I'll write more later. It's been a busy weekend, an even busier Monday and tomorrow morning we have monthly maintenance..." |
| 00:00.44 | herlo | okay |
| 00:00.47 | herlo | when was that? |
| 00:01.53 | herlo | lirodon: macropin: okay, it's just about dinner time here. I need to sign off and go spend some time with my family. :) |
| 00:02.04 | lirodon | a few days ago |
| 00:03.04 | herlo | okay, cool |
| 00:03.26 | herlo | I'll be back online in a couple of hours. I plan to start digging into getting things going again. |
| 00:03.32 | macropin | no problem, herlo. good talking to you. |
| 00:03.38 | herlo | macropin: you too |
| 00:15.59 | lirodon | I think the entire build platform just needs a name we can brand it under in the wiki |
| 00:32.59 | herlo | lirodon: dospkg |
| 00:33.03 | herlo | :) |
| 00:33.07 | herlo | goes back to eating. |
| 02:21.34 | herlo | is back and going to be working on getting 7 going. |
| 02:22.04 | herlo | lirodon: trying to think of a better name than dospkg |
| 02:22.17 | herlo | goozbach: you around? |
| 02:22.29 | shalkie | Wait.. what? |
| 02:22.32 | shalkie | dospkg? |
| 02:22.58 | shalkie | has clearly missed many a thing |
| 02:24.31 | goozbach | I'm around, but not really attentive |
| 02:25.01 | herlo | shalkie: read back |
| 02:25.20 | herlo | goozbach: not a big deal, just wanted to check to see what it would take to start directing this channel to #ascendos |
| 02:25.26 | herlo | and do you have any qualms with doing that? |
| 02:27.30 | goozbach | no qualms and it's a chanserv option |
| 02:27.58 | herlo | goozbach: I understand that. I meant what would it take for you to do that 'real soon now (tm)'? |
| 02:28.09 | goozbach | let's ask timriker to move infobot first for logging unless logging is not longer wanted |
| 02:28.16 | goozbach | realls soon now |
| 02:28.19 | goozbach | I can do it tonight |
| 02:28.23 | goozbach | I suppose |
| 02:28.23 | herlo | we should probably ask the ascendos folks |
| 02:28.28 | herlo | about logging |
| 02:28.39 | herlo | lirodon and macropin would be excellent choices. |
| 02:30.53 | herlo | lirodon: what would it take for us to have @ascendos.org emails? |
| 02:31.01 | herlo | I think it might be a good thing to start down that path. |
| 02:34.55 | *** topic/#gooseproject by herlo -> GoOSe Project - http://gooseproject.org | GoOSe is joining Ascendos and CentOS - http://gooseproject.org/proposal-goose-project-to-join-ascendos.html |
| 02:37.10 | shalkie | sighs |
| 02:37.14 | shalkie | What a sad day. |
| 02:37.16 | herlo | goozbach: why don't we say that we're going to close everything down here, save koji and the mirror stuff and point it all to ascendos |
| 02:37.20 | herlo | shalkie: sad day? |
| 02:37.42 | shalkie | GoOSe project going away. |
| 02:37.52 | herlo | shalkie: we're just becoming more. |
| 02:38.15 | herlo | shalkie: and you knew my feelings on GoOSe as of recent anyway, right? |
| 02:38.32 | herlo | It's not like we were making any progress. At least with this idea, we may get some serious traction. |
| 02:38.56 | herlo | goozbach: I meant to say that we should try to do it by Feb 1 |
| 02:39.04 | herlo | goozbach: shalkie: does that sound okay to you guys? |
| 02:39.24 | herlo | shalkie: one bright spot, we'll be using the GoOSe methodology going forward. :) |
| 02:41.04 | goozbach | GoOSe hasn't died, it's just transformed ala johnathan livingstone segull (hope that's the reference I'm hunting for) |
| 02:41.30 | herlo | Jonathan Livingston Seagull but close. :) |
| 02:41.46 | goozbach | hah |
| 02:41.59 | herlo | ooh, maybe that's the name I'll call it |
| 02:42.01 | herlo | seagull |
| 02:42.06 | herlo | seems apropos |
| 02:42.40 | herlo | lirodon: the new packaging tool is going to be called 'seagull' |
| 02:42.50 | herlo | verifies that this isn't already something |
| 02:43.50 | shalkie | Yeah, I knew your feeling as of late herlo. |
| 02:44.13 | herlo | http://gull.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:44.29 | herlo | shalkie: so in that light, this is a good thing. At least we're not just closing the doors and not doing anything. |
| 02:44.49 | herlo | gah, can't call it seagull very easily. |
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| 03:19.01 | lirodon | herlo: seagulls fly |
| 03:19.18 | lirodon | but thenagain... |
| 03:19.33 | lirodon | (yes, I was a little gone too) |
| 03:24.42 | herlo | lirodon: right, they also 'ascend' :) |
| 03:25.10 | herlo | I'll come up with another cool bird, or something. I'm doing a blog post atm. |
| 03:25.47 | lirodon | I was thinking something like just, the spanish word for package |
| 03:26.19 | herlo | paquete doesn't sound fun |
| 03:26.29 | herlo | but that's along the same lines as what I was doing just a bit ago |
| 03:35.14 | herlo | lirodon: how interested are you in actually building packages, signing packages, mashing repos or doing composes, etc? |
| 03:35.23 | lirodon | Possibly. |
| 03:35.39 | herlo | I kind of think we need to have at least two of us doing this and it sounds like macropin and goozbach are not available as much as needed. |
| 03:35.41 | lirodon | I'm also, right now, taking online university courses (mostly in the daytime) |
| 03:36.04 | herlo | lirodon: that's fine. I work a dayjob and have contract work at least 40-60 hours a week. |
| 03:36.13 | herlo | total, that is. |
| 03:38.22 | lirodon | I'll find other people to help too |
| 03:40.00 | herlo | right, I think once we get the SIG going, it'll help too |
| 03:40.09 | herlo | but that charter is at least a few days off. |
| 03:40.23 | lirodon | And I also got a good name for your tool; Juntar. |
| 03:40.28 | lirodon | Juntar is a Spanish word meaning "to collect" |
| 03:40.48 | lirodon | which is kinda what packages do |
| 03:41.54 | herlo | or colis |
| 03:42.06 | herlo | it's french for package |
| 03:42.36 | herlo | juntar sounds like Klingon |
| 03:42.47 | lirodon | colis is good too |
| 03:43.07 | herlo | mezclar is another |
| 03:43.15 | herlo | it's spanish for combine |
| 03:43.34 | lirodon | colis is better because its quicker to type |
| 03:43.37 | herlo | yes |
| 03:43.40 | herlo | I kind of like colis |
| 03:43.46 | herlo | juntar isn't too bad |
| 03:43.59 | bochecha | herlo: colis means "package" in the context of shipping something |
| 03:44.08 | bochecha | the more generic word for package is "paquet" |
| 03:44.18 | lirodon | we "ship" these packages to users on ISO files :D |
| 03:44.23 | herlo | bochecha: yes |
| 03:44.32 | bochecha | lirodon: in French, that wouldn't make any sense |
| 03:44.32 | herlo | bochecha: don't want to use paquet |
| 03:44.38 | lirodon | paquet sounds like it would be a good name for an actual package manager |
| 03:44.47 | herlo | bochecha: and it doesn't really matter that much |
| 03:44.49 | bochecha | "colis" really is for a physical box you're sending to someone through snail mail |
| 03:44.51 | lirodon | I think a verb would fit better |
| 03:45.04 | bochecha | herlo: agreed, just thought I'd show off with my knowledge of French :) |
| 03:45.09 | herlo | bochecha: :) |
| 03:45.10 | lirodon | cobrar |
| 03:45.29 | herlo | I could go with cobrar |
| 03:45.37 | bochecha | for what is worth, I found that using some kind of home-made transliteration of the Chinese translations often leans to nice names |
| 03:45.40 | herlo | bochecha: so do you still have your build group for el7? |
| 03:45.52 | bochecha | herlo: what build group? |
| 03:45.59 | herlo | the package build group |
| 03:46.03 | herlo | you know in koji |
| 03:46.14 | bochecha | I've never had anything for el7 in my koji |
| 03:46.22 | herlo | how did you bootstrap? |
| 03:46.26 | bochecha | I didn't |
| 03:46.27 | herlo | mock? |
| 03:46.29 | lirodon | bochecha: just be careful you don't pick a name that can translate to "mother's vagina" like Ikea did |
| 03:46.31 | bochecha | I'm not doing anything related to el7 |
| 03:46.46 | bochecha | lirodon: lufsig is awesome |
| 03:46.54 | lirodon | Lufsig is best wolf. |
| 03:47.06 | herlo | bochecha: you said at one point you were doing something to convert systemd, I guess I infered it was going to be for el7 |
| 03:47.07 | bochecha | Hong Kongers love Lufsig |
| 03:47.12 | lirodon | I saw that on the Wikipedia "did you know"; kinda reminds me of Bite the Wax Tadpole |
| 03:47.20 | bochecha | herlo: no, it was to get systemd onto an el **6** base :) |
| 03:47.34 | herlo | bochecha: right, just thought it was leading up to something. |
| 03:47.39 | bochecha | no |
| 03:47.43 | herlo | is sad |
| 03:47.46 | bochecha | we just wanted systemd on our products, which is based on el6 |
| 03:48.01 | herlo | ahh well, I'll look at the fedora epel7 groups then |
| 03:48.13 | herlo | I know dgilmore was going to start working on them soon. |
| 03:48.34 | herlo | lirodon: let's go with cobrar |
| 03:48.41 | herlo | though I do really like colis |
| 03:48.48 | lirodon | That sounds cool, easy to pronounce/type |
| 03:48.49 | herlo | but bochecha ruined it. :-P |
| 03:49.03 | lirodon | I was also thinking of giving the entire build suite a name we can use on the wiki |
| 03:49.12 | herlo | lirodon: koji? |
| 03:49.15 | herlo | lol |
| 03:49.24 | lirodon | i.e. the whole set of tools |
| 03:49.33 | herlo | yes, that is what 90% of them are already called |
| 03:49.34 | lirodon | I was thinking Ascendble |
| 03:49.45 | herlo | Ascendible? |
| 03:49.56 | herlo | or Ascendable |
| 03:50.07 | lirodon | i.e. a pun on Assemble |
| 03:50.11 | bochecha | for what is worth, the "s" in "colis" is mute, you pronounce it "colee" |
| 03:50.19 | herlo | yes, I knew that :) |
| 03:50.28 | herlo | you frenchy |
| 03:50.39 | herlo | I dated a girl once, that was her nickname. |
| 03:50.52 | herlo | I've dated a few since then. :) |
| 03:50.57 | herlo | even married a couple |
| 03:51.15 | herlo | bochecha: we're going with cobrar. :) |
| 03:51.29 | bochecha | scrolls up to figure out what that means |
| 03:51.45 | bochecha | meh, nobody said what it meant |
| 03:51.48 | lirodon | or just Ascendos Toolbox |
| 03:52.16 | herlo | bochecha: it means 'collect' |
| 03:52.18 | herlo | or to collect |
| 03:52.30 | herlo | lirodon: don't get hung up on that |
| 03:52.31 | bochecha | aaaaaah |
| 03:52.37 | herlo | I think we'll end up calling it Koji. |
| 03:52.47 | bochecha | what is the name for already? |
| 03:52.57 | herlo | the replacement to goosepkg |
| 03:53.00 | lirodon | I mean, I just wanted a way to differentiate this from the "old" build process on the wiki |
| 03:53.05 | herlo | same basic code |
| 03:53.14 | herlo | lirodon: oh. Build process |
| 03:53.16 | herlo | um |
| 03:53.27 | herlo | I'm writing up a bit on it now. |
| 03:53.29 | bochecha | herlo: why change the name? |
| 03:53.33 | herlo | lirodon: do you have a blog? |
| 03:53.41 | lirodon | On the site? |
| 03:53.42 | herlo | s/you/we, Ascendos/ |
| 03:53.46 | lirodon | We have a news section |
| 03:53.54 | herlo | bochecha: goose is closing its doors and joining Ascendos |
| 03:54.06 | lirodon | http://www.ascendos.org/articles.html |
| 03:54.07 | herlo | we could keep the name, I suppose. |
| 03:54.23 | lirodon | Gosling |
| 03:54.26 | herlo | lirodon: what's it running? |
| 03:54.30 | lirodon | WolfCMS |
| 03:54.39 | bochecha | oie is goose in French |
| 03:54.44 | bochecha | pretty easy to type as a command |
| 03:54.46 | herlo | what if we went to a static blog? |
| 03:54.53 | herlo | oiepkg |
| 03:54.55 | herlo | hmm |
| 03:55.04 | herlo | oie, is that a command anywhere? |
| 03:55.12 | bochecha | pretty hard to pronounce for non French, though ^_^ |
| 03:55.29 | herlo | bochecha: what is 'bird' in french? |
| 03:55.34 | bochecha | oiseau |
| 03:55.41 | herlo | fly? |
| 03:55.51 | bochecha | to fly == voler |
| 03:55.55 | bochecha | but it also means to steal |
| 03:55.56 | herlo | lol, same as spanish |
| 03:56.02 | bochecha | so not the best name ever |
| 03:56.06 | herlo | right |
| 03:56.15 | lirodon | Whoops |
| 03:56.18 | herlo | I still like cobrar |
| 03:56.33 | herlo | it sounds snake like |
| 03:56.40 | herlo | and we could totally have a snake logo |
| 03:57.09 | bochecha | and it's written in python |
| 03:57.10 | herlo | lirodon: what are your thoughts on using pelican? |
| 03:57.20 | herlo | bochecha: indeed |
| 03:57.28 | herlo | bochecha: you got my drift. |
| 03:57.29 | lirodon | never heard of it |
| 03:58.15 | bochecha | but pelican is a bird, not a snake ^_^ |
| 03:58.42 | herlo | bochecha: different conversation, punk |
| 03:58.44 | herlo | :) |
| 03:58.55 | herlo | lirodon: it's a python-bast static blog generator |
| 03:58.59 | lirodon | WolfCMS is PHP |
| 03:59.08 | herlo | it's what we use to generate http://gooseproject.org |
| 03:59.37 | herlo | lirodon: no need to change per se. I just want to put up news from time to time in the future. |
| 03:59.45 | lirodon | I can get you an account |
| 04:00.02 | herlo | notes he also signed up for the ascendos-announce and ascendos-dev lists |
| 04:00.07 | herlo | lirodon: no rush. |
| 04:00.11 | herlo | but please |
| 04:00.14 | bochecha | herlo: 12am is too early for me to follow more than one conversation, I just arrived at work :P |
| 04:00.25 | herlo | it's midnight there? |
| 04:00.30 | bochecha | no, noon |
| 04:00.33 | herlo | hmm, I would have thought it would be noon |
| 04:00.34 | bochecha | noon is not 12am? |
| 04:00.34 | lirodon | its actually quite easy |
| 04:00.36 | herlo | no 12pm |
| 04:00.40 | bochecha | ah right |
| 04:00.43 | herlo | lol |
| 04:00.56 | bochecha | because obviously, after 11am and before 1pm comes... 12pm |
| 04:01.01 | herlo | bochecha: I take it that is not the vernacular used in france or HK? |
| 04:01.12 | bochecha | what is a "vernacular" ? |
| 04:01.22 | herlo | verbiage, wording. Things you say. |
| 04:01.30 | bochecha | ah |
| 04:01.39 | bochecha | in France we count the time on 24 hours |
| 04:01.42 | bochecha | so now it's 12 |
| 04:01.45 | herlo | the language or dialect spoken by the ordinary people in a particular country or region. |
| 04:01.49 | herlo | vernacular ^^ |
| 04:01.51 | bochecha | midnight is 0 o clock |
| 04:02.12 | bochecha | in HK, they use the 12h-based am/pm stuff as well, but nobody ever understood how to deal with noon and midnight |
| 04:02.24 | bochecha | so they tend to say "noon" and "midnight" ;) |
| 04:02.45 | bochecha | but I have a feeling I'm taking everybody way off the original conversation :) |
| 04:02.48 | herlo | bochecha: right, 24 hour clock |
| 04:03.14 | herlo | uses that, it's 21:03 here |
| 04:03.25 | bochecha | makes so much more sense |
| 04:03.40 | bochecha | but I lost that habit, because nobody would understand what I was talking about here |
| 04:03.49 | bochecha | "meet you at 15:30!" |
| 04:03.55 | bochecha | "wait, where is that?" |
| 04:04.54 | herlo | lol |
| 04:05.01 | herlo | I could see exactly that happening here |
| 04:05.17 | herlo | bochecha: so with a 12 hour clock, everything starts at 12 |
| 04:05.27 | herlo | it's essentially 0 hour |
| 04:05.41 | bochecha | except if you say 0pm, nobody understands ;) |
| 04:05.51 | herlo | you get to 11:59am, the next is 12:00 and because it starts over, its 12:00 in the pm |
| 04:06.00 | bochecha | that makes no sense |
| 04:06.04 | herlo | bochecha: you don't 'SAY' it |
| 04:06.19 | herlo | and I am not arguing sense, I'm just arguing how to understand it easier |
| 04:06.22 | bochecha | either it turns over then it goes back to 0, or it doesn't and it's still the am |
| 04:06.24 | bochecha | yeah, I know |
| 04:06.40 | bochecha | but somehow my brain refuses to just do it, and I keep getting it wrong the next time :) |
| 04:06.44 | herlo | lol |
| 04:06.53 | herlo | aww well, I give up then. :) |
| 04:07.01 | bochecha | that's what I did long ago :) |
| 04:07.07 | herlo | haha |
| 04:07.09 | herlo | moving forward |
| 04:08.59 | herlo | dammit! Fedora doesn't have any groups in koji for epel7 yet. :( |
| 04:09.17 | herlo | I guess I might just have to go with what we know from el6 |
| 04:10.09 | herlo | ahh, no epel7-build tag |
| 04:12.32 | bochecha | yeah, dgilmore renamed the tags (and branches in git) for el7 |
| 04:12.56 | herlo | but even without the -build tag, there isn't any groups in anything with epel7- |
| 04:13.00 | herlo | http://ur1.ca/gfjo8 |
| 04:13.03 | bochecha | it simplifies quite a few things to have it all called the same way (although it could be even simpler if it was the same as %{dist}) |
| 04:13.05 | herlo | gl6.0-build build group |
| 04:13.34 | bochecha | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taginfo?tagID=259 |
| 04:13.52 | bochecha | isn't that the right tag? |
| 04:14.25 | bochecha | $ koji list-groups epel7-build |
| 04:14.25 | bochecha | build [epel7-build] |
| 04:14.25 | bochecha | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.25 | bochecha | ... |
| 04:14.36 | bochecha | are you pointing to Fedora's koji or yours? :) |
| 04:15.26 | herlo | http://ur1.ca/gfjoa <-- gl6.0-build srpm-build group |
| 04:15.54 | herlo | bochecha: huh, I was pointing to fedoras when I looked it up. I don't have anything epel7 |
| 04:16.18 | herlo | odd, I see it now. |
| 04:16.36 | herlo | but when I went to list tags, I didn't even see epel7-build |
| 04:17.10 | bochecha | weird |
| 04:17.27 | herlo | is just blind |
| 04:17.38 | herlo | I see it there, the epel7-base threw me I bet |
| 04:18.24 | herlo | bochecha: thanks for making me go back and look again. |
| 04:24.31 | herlo | man, I love my computer. I just dropped it about two feet and it closed and suspended. Opened it back up a few seconds later and I unsuspend and connect to the wifi. My ssh session is still working. :) |
| 05:18.32 | lirodon | Any useful progress? |
| 05:28.50 | herlo | lirodon: with the build? |
| 05:28.53 | herlo | a little |
| 05:29.22 | lirodon | anything towards that, yeah (trying to recruit some people from a channel I frequent. We're mostly the developers of StepMania) |
| 05:45.35 | herlo | yeah, I got a bit done tonight. Mostly writing up what it will take to get things going and where to start. |
| 15:37.36 | goozbach | didn't we document the logo changes in the installer somewheres? |
| 15:45.49 | herlo | goozbach: in the anaconda package |
| 15:49.52 | goozbach | not documented then, just the changes in the package |
| 15:56.51 | herlo | probably, but I think I documented it in git |
| 15:57.12 | herlo | I try to be verbose |
| 15:57.21 | goozbach | looking now |
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| 22:30.11 | lirodon | Evening/Afternoon |
| 22:30.45 | herlo | hi lirodon |
| 22:31.05 | herlo | will not be around tonight. UPHPU meeting and stuff afterward too |
| 22:31.16 | lirodon | So for the build tools, what distro would you suggest setting them up on? |
| 22:31.32 | herlo | lirodon: any that work with python 2.7+ |
| 22:31.43 | herlo | and have reasonable support for ssl/tls |
| 22:32.14 | herlo | I guess you need a recent version of git as well. But it doesn't have to be 1.8 or anything |
| 22:32.56 | lirodon | Would Fedora 20 be fine |
| 22:58.02 | herlo | yes |
| 22:59.28 | shalkie | There is a Fedora 20? Oh man, I am out of sequence with it. |
| 22:59.41 | herlo | shalkie: released in December |
| 23:02.53 | lirodon | It's just one newer than what EL7 is based on |
| 23:03.07 | herlo | right, but you won't be using those rpms so it's okay |
| 23:03.25 | herlo | you'll be importing ones from f19 into the mock buildroot wherever we decide to put it probably. |
| 23:03.36 | shalkie | Meh, I will just wait for Fedora ∞ |
| 23:03.41 | herlo | the distro you use is not something we will depend upon. |
| 23:03.46 | herlo | shalkie: you'll be waiting forever. |
| 23:03.47 | shalkie | man, that is a small infinity. |
| 23:03.48 | herlo | :) |
| 23:03.51 | shalkie | :-) |
| 23:04.37 | shalkie | herlo: Yes, but then I move onto Fedora ∞+1 :-P |
| 23:05.01 | herlo | but that's still ∞ |
| 23:05.07 | herlo | just saying... |
| 23:05.27 | lirodon | Rawhide |
| 23:05.45 | herlo | lol |
| 23:05.51 | herlo | I would not recommend rawhide. |
| 23:06.05 | herlo | I might recommend F20+1 though |
| 23:06.11 | herlo | or F21 if you will |
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