IRC log for #gsoc on 20081015

00:00.23scorche|shglares at his broken Google pen and wonders why he still uses it
00:00.25dberkholzman, forwarding my pre-procmail'd gentoo email to gmail really shows me how much spam i get in a day. f
00:00.33dberkholz1761 so far
00:00.46lhscorche|sh: i will give you a new pen at the summit dude
00:00.48lhpromise.
00:00.55scorche|shor 2!
00:03.31lhscorche|sh: for you, a pen that lights up in different colors
00:03.37lhhas to go to earth university shindig
00:03.45lhbe around later
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04:23.09kblinmorning
04:24.03harlanevenin'
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04:26.02harlanhey lh
04:26.18lhharlan: greetings - how are you?
04:26.19summatusmentishails lh
04:26.34lhsummatusmentis: hail jake
04:26.45harlandoing OK thanks!  Slowly heading back to the bay area, currently in colorado
04:26.54lhharlan: if you need a hotel room please just book one, it's no trouble
04:27.07lhneeds to test this melange demo
04:27.31thebolt|awayhi lh
04:27.51harlanthanks - where will everything be held?  I'm driving OK now and can walk several blocks (longer if I pace myself), so I'm hoping coming up form sunnyvale will be easy.
04:28.56lhharlan: very easy actually. you can follow the shuttle bus in fact. approx. 20 min drive with traffic
04:29.00lhthere won't be much
04:29.03summatusmentislh: how is melange coming along?
04:29.08lhthebolt: greetings marten
04:29.13lhsummatusmentis: unknown, have to check
04:29.33lhwishes she had more time for this project to do it justice
04:29.58lhactually
04:30.00lhhere you go
04:30.01lhhttps://mail.google.com/a/google.com/#search/pawel/11cf619e904d135f
04:30.09lhwell that was utterly ineffective
04:30.15lhgoes to find list archive
04:31.03lhcorrected link: http://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc-dev/browse_thread/thread/6d2cc9eb66fc7596
04:33.27kblinevening lh
04:33.42kblinEOUTOFMILK
04:33.47kblindammit
04:33.54kblinwaits for the store to open
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04:38.56kblinlh: which building is the mentor summit at? the same the cifs workshop was in?
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04:41.30lhkblin: no, across the street, building 43, main campus
04:41.34lhi didn't get to take you there.
04:41.41lhkblin: it's nicer.
04:41.59harlanis there a schedule somewhere?  Or directions on where to park, etc?
04:42.33lhharlan: wiki
04:42.34kblin!mentorsummitwiki
04:42.34socinfo"mentorsummitwiki" is http://gsoc-mentors-2008.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Main_Page - the password details can be found on the mentor's mailing list
04:42.40lhit is so all on the wiki
04:42.44lhi made you a checklist even
04:43.01lhwonders if checklist has parking info
04:43.05harlanI;'ll recheck, thanks!  I'm not on my normal computer until THursday.
04:43.15lhsuspects it does not
04:43.17kblinlh: parking via Amphitheatre Pkwy then, I guess
04:43.17lhharlan: merci
04:43.23lhkblin: correct.
04:43.30kblinok
04:43.33lhif coming from sunnyvale, best to follow shuttle bus
04:43.36lhfrom hotel
04:43.38lhalternatively
04:43.45lhtake shoreline blvd exit
04:43.47lhturn right
04:43.56lhturn left on charleston
04:43.57kblinnot if that's at google at 9 and I need to be there at 8
04:44.01lhfirst right into parking lot
04:44.03lhpark,
04:44.16lhkblin: i thought you were going with cat?
04:44.19lhbut yes this is true
04:44.23harlanpark at the hotel and take the shuttlebus?
04:44.24kblinI am?
04:44.27lhharlan: yes
04:44.33lhkblin: this can be arranged
04:44.39lhin fact i think i may have done this already
04:44.49lhthis is why all conversations should be text based
04:44.50Landonheh
04:44.53Landongoogle maps on xkcd
04:48.17kblinlh: anyway, I've got a car, and I think I can manage. I was just wondering if charleston or amphitheatre was the better access to parking
04:48.55kblinunless of course someone else has a bigger car and is going to drive anywya
04:53.11kblinsay.. first right on charleston is a big dirt field according to google maps ;)
04:56.08lhkblin: charleston
04:56.18lhthis is a field next to charleston
04:56.23lhstreet view is a bad thing
04:56.27lhsigh.
04:56.33lhLandon: link?
04:57.59Landonlh: http://www.xkcd.com
04:58.08kblinlh: looking at the sattelite picture
04:58.16kblinoh, yay
04:58.32kblinactually, sunnyvale is perfect for the shopping I need to do :)
04:58.46Landonnerf vulcan?
04:58.48Landon;p
04:58.49lhoh my god.
04:58.53lhi think it might even be true.
04:59.07lhgoes back to testing melange
04:59.18summatusmentisis the Vulcan the automatic weapon nerf?
04:59.31Landonthe minigun
04:59.34kblinLandon: maybe
04:59.44summatusmentisthos things are frightening
04:59.49Landonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan @ summatusmentis
04:59.52Landonbut, with nerf
04:59.52kblinsummatusmentis: oh, yeah
04:59.55Landon:P
05:00.06summatusmentison the newspaper retreat I was just at, one of the kids there had one... :D
05:00.25Landonheh
05:00.30Landonwe cant keep nerf guns in the dorms
05:00.31kblinLandon: no. this is a minigun, the nerf is a plain machine gun
05:00.32Landonso silly
05:00.33Landon:(
05:00.51Landonkblin: ah, for shame :(
05:01.03Landonperhaps I should change my major to mech E or something and design a real nerf minigun
05:01.27kblinso far, I've got a recon, a longshot and half a suitcase of darts on my shopping list
05:01.45summatusmentisI bought the little 6-shot revolver
05:01.56kblinand there's a toysrus right on my way to the googleplex
05:01.59summatusmentisLandon: we weren't able to either, didn't stop anyone
05:02.55LandonI'm not sure how serious it is to keep nerf guns here (they were specifically named, heh), but airsoft guns is the same as keeping a real gun in the dorms pretty much
05:03.16summatusmentiswe didn't use them, but we definitely had them
05:03.50Landonwell, applies for having them too
05:03.52Landonhere
05:03.59Landonusing... moreso :P
05:04.10Landonwill be nice to get an apartment next year
05:05.30summatusmentislives off campus
05:05.41summatusmentisoh, speaking of which, I should pay my phone bill
05:07.10LandonI'd be living in the uni apartments next year if anything
05:07.32summatusmentisit's cheaper to live off campus for me:)
05:07.40kblinLandon: and they get to search your rooms to find out if you have nerfs?
05:08.34kblinwonders what university dorms have to say about swords
05:08.40scorchei dont think they will allow people into my campus's dorm *without* a nerf gun to protect yourself
05:09.03kblinspeaking of which, where's my wd40?
05:10.13Landonkblin: well, yes
05:10.16Landonpretty much
05:10.27kblinwhoa
05:10.30Landonyou get notices once in a while that maintenance will come and inspect your rooms
05:10.36Landonand they'll write down offenses
05:10.45Landonlike a friend got a fine last year for an unlit candle
05:10.53LandonI think swords are a bad deal too
05:10.57kblinhow gestapo is that?
05:11.03Landonwell
05:11.09Landonits not exactly *anytime*
05:11.12Landonmostly around breaks
05:11.31Landonso I guess you could hide it in your car until then but you'd still have to sneak it out to the parking lot which is a ways :)
05:11.57kblinthat'd be completely and utterly illegal in germany
05:12.15kblinsearching your rooms, not hiding your sword in your car
05:12.35Landonwell, we pay them for the convenience here :\
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05:13.16kblinmy sword is a piece of my sport equipment...
05:13.18Landonwhich is why I'm a little anxious about anyone flipping out if I get a few packages from LAPoliceGear :p
05:13.27Landonheh, so is my airsoft gun ;)
05:13.45Landonit's an official university team, they'll fund us if there are games we want to go to
05:14.16kblinbut you need to leave your equipment in your locker?
05:14.46kblin"sorry, buddy, but tennis rackets aren't allowed in the dorm"
05:16.05Landonwe have to leave it offcampus
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05:16.52kblinmy girlfriend used to take her sword to class the days after training before we moved together
05:17.02Landonhehe
05:17.06Landonsticking out of her backpack?
05:17.14Landonis this fencing or other?
05:17.20kblinslung over her shoulder
05:18.27kblinstage combat. we're using one-and-a-half hand swords as used in 15th century europe
05:18.36summatusmentiskblin: I need to meet more girls with swords
05:18.49summatusmentisor get my girlfriend into swords
05:18.52lhsummatusmentis: you clearly have good taste
05:19.07Landonkblin: ah
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05:19.11kblinsummatusmentis: bring your girlfriend when shopping swords
05:19.19Landonlh: and airsoft isn't good taste? :P
05:19.32summatusmentiskblin: She'd just roll her eyes
05:19.42summatusmentisalso, wouldn't know what to shop for :)
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05:20.03summatusmentislh: I like to think I have good taste. 1 year as of... 19 minutes ago
05:21.15kblinsummatusmentis: well, granted, both of us had been doing stage combat for over a year at that point
05:21.35summatusmentisah, yeah, that'd make sense
05:22.46Landonwhere do you go shopping for swords?
05:22.49Landono.O
05:23.02kblinwe went to prague :)
05:23.07Landonah
05:23.27kblinbut medieval festivals usually are a good place, as well
05:24.09kblinI wouldn't buy a sword online, there's so many things you can't tell from a picture
05:25.07kblinanyway, the store opened, so I can get some stuff for breakfast now
05:25.09kblinbbl
05:25.59summatusmentisbai kblin
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05:34.08lhgets steev to see what time it is for pawel
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05:34.18scorchenot andy?
05:34.19lhsteev has no battery
05:34.20lhsigh
05:34.31lhscorche: andy lacks this application. otherwise, steev would be on ebay.
05:34.48scorcheno world clock at all?!
05:34.55scorchethat wont take long to fix
05:35.07lhscorche: if it's in there, i haven't found it. i also have not looked that hard, i have steev.
05:35.19dandersongrr, why is rsync copying over all files and not just new ones
05:35.24summatusmentislh: did you like steev before you met andy?
05:35.57scorchesummatusmentis: it was her steev...what do you think? ;)
05:35.58lhsummatusmentis: at first i really loved steev. he was so new and shiny. very shiny.
05:36.03lhi have a problem with shiny things
05:36.15scorchevery very shiny
05:36.17lhthen after a while, steev began to not behave as well.
05:36.21lhform factor too small, too easy to drop
05:36.33scorchelh: you need to keep your steevs in line
05:36.39dandersonwins at explaining to rsync how to rsync photos
05:36.39lhyou have to lay on screen to make speaker phone call hands free
05:36.47lhthe list of things to complain about mounted
05:36.54lhwe were seeing each other less and less
05:36.54dandersonso now it "only" has 400 new photos to transfer
05:36.58dandersoninstead of all 900
05:36.59dandersonsigh
05:37.01lhthen i had to replace little steev
05:37.17lhand now new little steev wants to rewrite all of steev's music
05:37.26lhand i'm just annoyed and buying all music on andy from now on.
05:37.28lhso there.
05:37.38scorchewouldnt keep music on his steev if he had one
05:37.46scorchehad oodles of DAPs for that
05:37.49scorchehas
05:37.55lhscorche: ok, ok, i get the point.
05:38.05lhi also don't have tons of machines laying around either.
05:38.10summatusmentislh: were steves issues phone related? or overal interface?
05:38.18dandersonhas a NAS, and a laptop, and a really really dumb mp3/ogg vorbis player with usb mass storage
05:38.25scorcheyou could get a DAP!...and use rockbox! ;)
05:38.28lhsummatusmentis: phone also does not hold up well to intense lifestyle, it's delicate.
05:38.41dandersonthe nas and laptop have synced copies of my music, and le player just gets what I feel like listening to on the road
05:38.46lhthus far andy has not been tested on international travel scene, but wait
05:38.53lhsteev constantly sucked while traveling
05:38.54dandersonkeeps talking to himself, decides to blog instead
05:38.56lhdata plan never worked right
05:38.57dberkholzi'm a little confused about all these names
05:39.00dberkholzwho's steev?
05:39.07scorcheiphone
05:39.08lhdanderson: hi darling, sorry i was bitching about steev
05:39.14dberkholzalso, anyone want to find me a good postdoc fellowship?
05:39.17lhdanderson: how are you?
05:39.23lhand why is rsync being mean to you
05:39.29dandersonlh: hi, steev is evil and the reality distortion field generator in yours is broken
05:39.31lhdberkholz: define good postdoc fellowship
05:39.37lhdanderson: correct.
05:39.48dberkholzin other words, i'm looking for someone to give me $100K-$150K to try curing a few diseases for 2-3 years
05:39.53dandersonI'm fine, spent a day on an LOTR tour
05:40.06lhdanderson: when i find a world clock app steev and i are no longer seeing each other. i am just using him so i don't have to frequently access timeanddate.com which is a useful but ugly website
05:40.07dberkholzlh: see above. =)
05:40.13dandersonany day in which you get to swing Theoden's sword around is good
05:40.16lhdberkholz: which diseases would these be?
05:40.26dberkholzneuromuscular degeneration
05:40.33lhdanderson: where do i find this sword? and is that from 13th warrior?
05:40.40summatusmentislh: so you think steev's kid brother who hasn't yet developed his phone capabilities would be a bad person to start seeing?
05:40.52lhi now think i am about to feel incredibly stupid
05:40.56dandersonlh: if you want a vintage one, they can't be found anymore
05:40.57dberkholzalong the lines of lou gehrig's disease, and somewhat more obscure but related ones
05:41.10lhsummatusmentis: i think you should stay entirely out of steev's territory.
05:41.12dandersonthe one I messed with was insured for NZ$2000
05:41.31lhsteev is the middle one now. big steev is the oldest and little steev is the youngest.
05:41.36dandersonlh: and it's this sword here: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/dlowsi/theoden-1.jpg
05:41.41lhdanderson: omg.
05:41.41dberkholzlh: does google have any interest in funding open-access research? =)
05:41.47dandersonthe sword of Theoden king in lotr
05:41.48summatusmentislh: but... steev's kid brother is so pretty!
05:42.03lhdberkholz: google for google university research
05:42.07lhdanderson: i want!!!
05:42.08dandersonI also got to play with Anduril (the flame of the west, king aragorn's reforged sword)
05:42.17lhsummatusmentis: who is steev's kid brother
05:42.23lhbtw, so far, melange does not suck
05:42.24summatusmentisiPod Touch
05:42.31summatusmentissteev w/out the tphone
05:42.42dandersonalso with bilbo's Sting, also the swords of Eowyn, Legolas, Aragorn's hunting knife, and Gimli's double headed axe
05:42.42summatusmentisI tried to be as clear as possible :)
05:42.45dandersonit was awesome
05:42.47dberkholzok, i see high-volume programmatic access to google research
05:42.55lhsummatusmentis: oh that thing. that roller wheel clickety whatever thing just always annoys the crap out of me.
05:42.57dberkholzgoogle search*
05:43.12lhdberkholz: what in the heck does that even mean?
05:43.18summatusmentismy old iPod is dying, I need a new one
05:43.20dberkholzoh, and faculty research awards
05:43.21dandersonlh: apparently in the US you can get these for about $100 a piece
05:43.23lhsummatusmentis: dont
05:43.30lhdanderson: you can wha?
05:43.37dandersonreproductions, of course, handmade in taiwan under license from weta workshops
05:43.40lhcan i get legolas and how much does he cost?
05:43.45dandersonlh: the swords of lord of the rings
05:43.46dberkholzlh: i guess people who want to do systematic searches in the thousands or higher, and don't have the money for a grad student to do 'em =)
05:43.47dandersonnot legolas
05:43.56dandersonI suspect cloning laws are hampering that one
05:44.07scorchesummatusmentis: lots of better devices out there besides ipods..
05:44.08lhdanderson: 1) that is extremely disappointing news. 2) i would rather have one direct from weta.
05:44.25dandersonthe ones direct from weta no longer exist
05:44.25summatusmentisscorche: the issue is I want the web tablet portion aslo
05:44.27dberkholzi still get google recruiters emailing me asking if i want to do an internship
05:44.27summatusmentisalso*
05:44.31dandersoneither weta still has them and isn't getting rid of them
05:44.37dberkholzc'mon, guys. you're about 5 years too late on that boat
05:44.40dandersonor they're in private collections and will never move
05:44.55dandersonbut the reproductions are good
05:45.00dandersonit's not fair to call them reproductions in fact
05:45.14dandersonall the swords in LOTR were reproductions from a single master sword
05:45.28dandersonthis is exactly the same. They are real swords, sharp and well balanced
05:45.39summatusmentisscorche: looking to replace my 2 devices (nokia n810 and iPod) with one
05:45.45Catfish_ManI thought you had to collect the three pendants to get the master sword
05:45.49dandersononly annoying thing is a little "Lord of the rings - made in Taiwan" stamp on them :(
05:45.56dberkholzhmm. i wonder if they'd let me apply for a faculty research award.
05:46.19dberkholzthey say they're interested in health, so i guess there's some possibility
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05:47.24dberkholzi need to come up with someone who would be a fairly relevant primary contact at google.
05:48.40codestr0mI'm looking for patches of work from a student who completed a project I think in 07.. where would the patches be.. are they mirrored by google or only kept with the project?
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05:49.51dberkholzthey should've been uploaded
05:49.55dberkholzto google
05:50.06dberkholzi'm too ignorant to know where exactly
05:50.34dberkholzlh: do you happen to know the vp for research?
05:50.38codestr0mdberkholz: I've been looking, but can't find the are to search. it was for opensolaris removing libc encumbered bits. I can probably find more details
05:51.13codestr0mdberkholz: I know some people who work at goog (specifically in the HPC area or you're interested in something else?)
05:52.00dberkholzcodestr0m: i need specifically the VP for research. the final word on external research funding
05:52.16summatusmentishttp://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2007-opensolaris/downloads/list
05:52.39summatusmentiscodestr0m: ^^^
05:52.39codestr0msummatusmentis: super!
05:52.40dberkholzsweet -- "The requested URL /p/google-summer-of-code-2006-opsol/ was not found on this server."
05:53.27summatusmentiscodestr0m: neither of those two lok like what you were asking for, but you'd know better than I
05:53.33summatusmentislook*
05:53.40codestr0msummatusmentis: it's exactly what I wanted I think
05:54.02summatusmentisglad to be of service :)
05:54.08summatusmentisjust don't look up mine >_>
05:54.09dberkholzkyron: when are you going to finish that summary writeup we've been talking about?
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05:56.31lhi hate the wifi here
05:57.38summatusmentiswifi is annoying, truth
05:57.50dberkholzapparently wpa is now useless, thanks to gpgpu
05:58.03dberkholzeveryone, open your networks
05:58.15lhthis is clearly the universe's way of telling me to turn in early. i accede.
05:58.17summatusmentisawesome :( I wish I knew more about crypto
05:58.24dberkholz11 is early?
05:58.26lhagrees with dberkholz
05:58.30Catfish_Mang'night lh
05:58.31lhdberkholz: yes.
05:58.34lhCatfish_Man: night
05:58.34summatusmentissleep well lh
05:58.34Ivanovic8am *IS* early...
05:58.36Ivanovic;)
05:58.39lhsummatusmentis: thank you
05:58.43dberkholzgood night girly
05:58.49lhdberkholz: pardon me?
05:58.59lhnot ok.
05:58.59summatusmentisugh... I've apparently been recommended as a tutor for a scheme class :-[
05:59.03lhgood night all
05:59.05dberkholzok
05:59.09dberkholzsorry then
05:59.12kblinnight lh
06:00.02kblindberkholz: hm? gpgpu?
06:00.19summatusmentiscrypto on GPUs
06:00.21dberkholzgeneral purpose computing on your video card
06:00.41kblinyeah, and how does that make WPA useless?
06:00.46dandersonit doesn't
06:00.53dberkholzyou can brute-force crack in a couple hours
06:00.53dandersonit scales dictionary attacks on WPA-PSK 100x
06:01.02dandersonmaking large scale distributed dictionary attacks feasible
06:01.15dandersonbut it doesn't have a thing on randomly generated pre-shared keys
06:01.27dandersonand nothing at all on proper authenticated WPA
06:01.58dandersonthe search space is still several times longer than the life of the universe
06:02.01kblinfrom a cryptology point of view, nothing changed then..
06:02.11dandersonbut if you assume the key is vulnerable to a dictionary attack
06:02.19dandersonit'll take only 2 hours, instead of 5 days, to crack
06:02.19summatusmentislook at me, I'm danderson, I know everything :-P
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06:02.33kblinyou'll just get caught if you use "god" as password...
06:02.35kblingreat
06:02.43dandersonso it's a pretty impressive feat, and only emphasizes good security practices
06:03.03dandersondo as that Schneier quip says
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06:03.59dandersonMost people use passwords. Some people use passphrases. Bruce Schneier uses an epic passpoem, detailing the life and works of seven mythical Norse heroes.
06:04.19Catfish_Manmy brother used an entire verse of a German song for a while
06:04.41dberkholzthat would be much cooler as 7 mythical Norris stories
06:05.14dandersonuses a passphrase related to the name of his access point
06:05.24summatusmentisuses password
06:05.26dandersonI figure if someone can figure it out, they've earned a little free internets
06:05.29summatusmentis>>
06:05.41dandersonand a beer for knowing their Douglas Adams
06:05.41kblindberkholz: the norris stories are too similar, and repetition is the enemy of the cryptologist
06:05.46danderson(access point is 'dontpanic')
06:05.59kblinthe friend of the cryptanalyst of course
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06:06.36kblinbut even if it just takes two hours to hack my access point, there's still a very good legal reason _not-
06:06.41kblinto turn crypto off here
06:06.55dberkholzall i've got on mine is a mac filter
06:07.07dberkholzit's enough to say "i'd rather you weren't here"
06:07.54dandersonI have WPA, but mostly only because the location of the access point doesn't let any passerby legitimately use it
06:08.06dandersondberkholz: and to say "Please sniff my passwords" ?
06:08.10kblindunno, a passphrase is easier to explain to a judge
06:08.46dandersondsniff plugged into a trace of the chatter on a filtered AP is quite fun
06:08.52danderson"Ooh, there goes a POP3 password!"
06:08.55dberkholzmutters something about secure protocols
06:09.05dandersonone word: cookies
06:09.30dandersonall the https in the world won't stop me stealing your google identity cookie and logging in as you :)
06:09.56dandersonit only takes one unencrypted page on that domain..
06:10.22kblinyou just proved http is evil.. so what? :)
06:10.48kblinkudos for the canonical folks to do make launchpad https-only
06:11.08dandersonnope, I just proved that it's really easy to fuck up on a public access point if you're not careful
06:11.27dandersonI'll use them if I have to, but I ssh -D and socks through my dedicated server :)
06:11.37kblinbasically, your best option is... yeah, vpn
06:11.54dandersonyeah, I need to get openvpn set up again
06:12.06kblinsame here
06:12.12dandersonespecially one running in http mode
06:12.21dandersonso that I can hang it off :443 on my secondary IP
06:12.24summatusmentis'night all
06:12.30kblinI should look into this before leaving to the mentor summit
06:12.34dandersonand get through proxies
06:12.51kblinshrugs
06:13.00dandersonwhat I really want is a turnkey solution for properly handling VPN accounts
06:13.10dandersonI saw an interface like that in a commercial firewall once
06:13.16dberkholzeh, google docs has revision control anyway. i don't care if you get my cookie
06:13.19dandersonyou ssh into it as an admin, authenticate
06:13.20kblinif I was running a mandatory proxy, I'd use a https breaker
06:13.24dandersonit asks questions about the new user
06:13.35dandersonand spits out a tarball containing all certificates, configurations, installers...
06:13.44dandersonunpack it, run the installers, boom, it works
06:13.57dandersonkblin: openvpn does that :)
06:14.04dandersonit has a proxy passing mode
06:14.31dandersonnot the most efficient though, you'll want a second openvpn running over UDP for better latency/throughput behavior
06:14.48kblindanderson: no. an https breaker will do the real https handshake with the target server and with the client and man-in-the-middle
06:15.06kblinand as openvpn doesn't really do an https handshake, it'll fail
06:15.13dandersontunelling reliable TCP over unreliable IP over reliable TCP really mucks up the window algorithms
06:15.29dandersonkblin: hmm, it doesn't do an https handshae?
06:15.43dandersonit does use SSL for the session initiation, I thought
06:15.59dandersonwhich would be indistinguishable from an https handshake
06:16.08dandersonand openvpn would refuse to connect if the certificate doesn't check out
06:16.15danderson(unless you're stupid and disable it)
06:16.36dandersonanyway :)
06:17.18kblindanderson: but it doesn't do an https handshake the way a browser does
06:17.42dandersonbut, an https handshake starts with SSL initiation and certificate exchange
06:17.59kblinat least wireshark will show it as using "SSL continuation data"
06:18.02dandersonand after that, unless you MITM (in which case the server cert doesn't check out), it's all ciphertext
06:18.21kblinright from the start
06:18.48dandersonI mean, I don't see how you can figure that the tunelled protocol is not http
06:18.57dandersonunless you can mitm, which is trivially detected by openvpn
06:19.07kblinnot one the tunnel is established
06:19.23dandersonum?
06:19.36kblinthe trick is to use a https breaker coupled to your IDS
06:19.39dandersonit keeps going through the same connection as SSL, afaik?
06:19.59dandersonthe way an IDS could detect it is by measuring the duration of a connection
06:20.10dandersoneven with epic keepalive, a 2min http connection is suspect
06:20.15kblinno, you can do better..
06:20.33kbline.g. skype so far doesn't send certs in it's "SSL handshake"
06:20.43dandersonyeah, so skype you can screw
06:20.54dandersonI'm talking about openvpn :)
06:21.06kblinand openvpn doesn't use the same packets as your browser when setting up SSL
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06:21.37kblinmeaning the https breaker will fail
06:22.04kblinand you set up your IDS to kill all traffic that you can't MITM
06:22.45dandersonokay, so you're assuming you have the fake certificate installed and accepted on client machines
06:22.50kblinyour legitimate clients will have the https breaker's CA cert set up, so users won't even noticed
06:22.59dandersonand even then, firefox would complain about domain name mismatches
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06:23.53kblinhow so? you generate on-the-fly certs for the sites you intercept the connection for
06:25.09kblinanyway, my point is that unless you go that extra mile to control ssl traffic, you might as well not use a mandatory proxy
06:25.44dandersonugh, and that's how you end up with a 16 core firewall that still takes 30s to establish a connection
06:25.53dandersonSSL certs suck to generate
06:26.13dandersonbut I agree on the principle, yes. If you let CONNECT through the proxy, there's no point in proxying
06:26.37dandersonwell, except caching of popular data and so forth
06:26.43dandersonbut no security
06:26.59kblinI used to run a ppp-over-ssh-over-ssl tunnel back in 2002 when I was in military service
06:27.20dandersonouch
06:27.28kblinit was sucky, but dealt with the lousy proxy best
06:27.45dandersonnot just ssh over ssl with socks for http?
06:28.10dandersonit's not a full VPN, but it gets you shell and http trivially, and other stream protocols with a socks wrapper
06:28.15kblindanderson: I needed to open a way in for my boss to vnc to serves
06:28.25kblin*servers
06:28.26dandersonah.
06:28.29kblinwindwos NT boxes
06:28.33dandersonyeah, then ppp
06:29.28kblinit sucked, but at that point my boss had been forced to drive to the hospital  and walk into the server room to restart a db app we had that would crash once in a while
06:30.05kblinand the hospital's IT dept had promised to set up vpn access for him years ago, and nothing had happened
06:30.24kblinso he told me to see if I "couldn't do anything about that"
06:31.13kblinfunny business, of course
06:31.36kblinwhen I started, I had to sign a piece of paper stating I wouldn't try to circumvent the fire wall
06:32.04kblinbut it's military service, so an order is an order.
06:32.51dandersonheh
06:33.19dandersonchoice between disobeying an order and making the firewall people unhappy, eh?
06:33.33danderson(I assume the net was provided by some service company, not the military directly)
06:34.17kblinI was doing the civilian equivalent of military service, so I was at a hospital, not in the military
06:34.57kblinbut the laws governing that were created from the military service regulations by doing search/replace
06:35.30dandersonoh, ok
06:35.44dandersonso military-like regulations vs. hospital IT policy
06:36.05kblinand the IT dept couldn't find their own nose with the help of a mirror
06:36.12dandersonheh
06:37.31kblinrumor has it that they used to have good people work there once, but during the dotcom boom everybody who could find the any key left to get better pay in industry
06:38.05dandersonclassic story of the regular "boring" IT dept with nothing fun to do
06:38.24kblinI had to walk their "UNIX specialist" through creating nfs exports on IRIX using my linux man page
06:39.05kblinI can sympathize to a degree
06:40.19kblinI sometimes wonder if tech support is worse with tech-savvy users or with totally clueless users
06:40.34kblinour MDs were in the latter category
06:42.03kblinseems like part of the examns on becoming a surgeon is a self-lobotomy of the parts of the brain that contain computer knowledge
06:44.42Catfish_Mantotally clueless users are fine in my experience
06:44.50Catfish_Manthey don't try to claim they know what they're doing
06:44.53Catfish_Manand they're so greatful
06:45.02Catfish_Man*grateful
06:45.51kblintrue
06:46.16Catfish_Manalso some of my clients would make me tea :)
06:49.07kblinhmm
06:50.10kblinI don't know the name for the place in english, but there was one dept that mostly dealt with elderly people, and the nurses there always had lots of chocolate they'd share :)
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07:12.31mlankhorstMorning.
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07:16.51kblinmorning mlankhorst
07:18.16kblinyay, my email client is at -1% of syncing my mails
07:26.52mlankhorstDamn those preparations
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09:52.21kblinhm, I guess I need to rethink my network layout at home
09:53.18kblinthat's going to be fun
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10:53.06araujomorning
10:53.36AJuOnLiNE|zZzi think i need to re-think my brain layout
10:53.47AJuOnLiNE|zZzjust talking out loud
10:53.49AJuOnLiNE|zZz:-/
10:56.46scorchekblin: why so?
10:57.59waldiyeah, the connection with the backup server broken last night
11:04.55kblinscorche: I slapped on some more subnets last time I played with AD by just opening up the netmask a little. but now I want to add a vpn subnet, and the current config will make routing messy
11:05.15scorcheah
11:05.21scorchewhich router do you ahve at home?
11:07.48kblinit's an asus wireless ap dsl modem
11:07.55kblinnothing fancy
11:08.49kblinnothing that can support the setups I'm currently playing with, either
11:09.01kblinhehe
11:09.02kblinhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/09/the_pentagons_w.html
11:09.22kblinso they _are_ playing wow in the us gov't
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13:13.45AJuOnLiNE|sh.o/
13:16.16thebolthi
13:16.50AJuOnLiNE|shthebolt: hi..
13:16.55AJuOnLiNE|shhow are you doing ?
13:19.26kyrondberkholz: as I said, I am rebuilding my dead cluster (today actually, we finally have all the hardware) and the writing comes with the rebuilding.
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13:20.07kyronand hey!...since when do you have interest in GPGPU processing... :P any ATI version of CUDA? :P
13:20.47theboltAJuOnLiNE|sh: dead tired after 2½ hours of judo practice.. and homework to finish
13:20.49theboltand you?
13:20.53theboltkyron: CTM
13:21.49AJuOnLiNE|shthebolt: i wish i could judo too :P i am trying to decide how do I finish 3 tasks who have all deadlines on friday.
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13:24.13mlankhorstAJuOnLiNE|sh: CFQ scheduling :)
13:25.07AJuOnLiNE|shmlankhorst: you think i have time to figure out what that is :P
13:25.45kyronthebolt: ? CTM
13:26.44kyronmlankhorst: CFQ == source of contention and cesession in kernel dev iirc :P
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13:27.29kyronthebolt: yeah, goog told me what CTM is. ;)
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13:35.50kyronthebolt: CTM seems much closer to hardware compared to CUDA (less abstraction, more ASM-ish + hardware considerations)
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13:39.14theboltkyron: yes
13:39.21AJuOnLiNE|shnirbheek: whats up ?
13:39.49nirbheekAJuOnLiNE|sh, headache! :p
13:40.12AJuOnLiNE|shnirbheek: heard there were blasts?
13:40.19AJuOnLiNE|sh*again*
13:40.20nirbheekAJuOnLiNE|sh, false news :p
13:40.26nirbheekThat was a box of firecrackers
13:40.27AJuOnLiNE|shok
13:40.44AJuOnLiNE|shfssk them
13:40.51AJuOnLiNE|shwho spread the rumours then
13:41.04nirbheekNo rumours
13:41.10nirbheekEveryone thought it was a bomb
13:41.40nirbheekThen it turned out it wasn't; the blast was large enough to be a bomb, but the explosives used were firecracker quality
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13:42.08AJuOnLiNE|shinjuries?
13:42.09theboltkyron: well,m what do you expect with that name ? :)
13:42.30nirbheekAJuOnLiNE|sh, serious, but atleast it was an accident
13:42.37kyronthebolt: dunno, is CUDA a better name?
13:43.12kyronCUAD seems to be generations ahead of CTM
13:43.43theboltkyron: i just meant CTM= Close To Metal.. of course it will be close to hardware ;)
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13:45.08kyronthebolt: good point, I didn't even bother looking up the acronym
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13:57.50kblinpff, great
13:58.22kblinI'm invited to give two of my LCA talks at the gaming miniconf
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13:59.53kyronkblin: btw, to close the loop, Nvidia's CUDA stuff is well packed and trivial to get working on any distro (as opposed to Intel's packages which are convoluted and hackerish)
14:06.40kblinshrugs
14:06.58kblinI haven't been running gentoo boxes in ages
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14:55.13r0bbylh: o/
14:55.27r0bbyI didn't notice you ping me til this morning when i looked
14:55.31r0bbywhat'd you need?
14:55.44lhr0bby: all good. what happened with your visit and your boy? you were lamenting
14:56.02r0bbyOh just the 1 month thing
14:56.16r0bby:)
14:56.42lhwhat does this mean? you were saying you did not get to visit his family or something i thought
14:58.29r0bbyoh that was seperate
14:58.39r0bbythat was sundat
14:58.41r0bbysdunday
14:58.42r0bbysunday \
14:59.36r0bbyhttp://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-barack-obama-negotiates-terriors.jpg
15:00.35AJuOnLiNE|sh\o.
15:01.49r0bbyAJuOnLiNE|sh: o/
15:01.56AJuOnLiNE|shelo r0bby
15:02.10MatthewWilkeslh!
15:02.12r0bby\o o/ \o
15:02.18AJuOnLiNE|shlh: good day :)
15:02.19r0bbydoes the dance
15:02.26AJuOnLiNE|shjoins in
15:02.45lhAJuOnLiNE|sh: hello my dear
15:02.51lhdances too
15:03.02lhMatthewWilkes: good afternoon dear
15:03.08lhassumes MatthewWilkes is back in the UK
15:03.25r0bbydoes the lh dance
15:03.31MatthewWilkesI am, I got back on monday afternoon.  2nd day back at work now
15:03.31r0bbywhich can get quite disturbing
15:03.41summatusmentisstands awkwardly against the wall, reminscing about middle school
15:03.46r0bbysighs
15:03.47MatthewWilkesstill fielding angry lecturers asking why I missed 5 days of uni
15:04.06lhsummatusmentis: you can totally come and dance - no one here knows how to do it properly either
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15:04.23r0bbysummatusmentis: I have video of me dancing
15:04.25lhMatthewWilkes: can i write you a nice note?
15:04.30summatusmentislh: that's a bad idea :P
15:04.30r0bbyand to say the least, I'll never live it down.
15:04.51AJuOnLiNE|shBarryCarlyon: aiYo!
15:04.54r0bby(My cousin's wedding, scary part is: I WAS SOBER!)
15:05.06MatthewWilkeslh: Nah, I was "ill".  Just got to break the news about the summit to them!
15:05.08lhsummatusmentis: it's not though. really. endorphins are good for you
15:05.19jmb!orgsbycat
15:05.20socinfoError: "orgsbycat" is not a valid command.
15:05.22lhMatthewWilkes: would you like a lovely invitation on tasty google letterhead?
15:05.22jmbbah
15:05.25jmbbrain fail
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15:05.32jmb!orgbycat
15:05.33socinfo"orgbycat" is http://genmapp.org/gsoc/mentors_by_category.htm
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15:05.47jmbfingers, too, by the looks of things
15:05.52summatusmentisooh... letterhead
15:05.56MatthewWilkeslh: Hmm, that's an idea.  Would you mind?
15:07.18lhnot at all
15:07.34lhdo you want to use the standard template or would you like one where i fawn over how awesome you are?
15:07.39lhboth will be suitable for framing
15:07.44r0bbyfawn over how awesome he is!
15:07.52lhr0bby: that is up to MatthewWilkes
15:07.54r0bbyMatthewWilkes: i'm deciding for you!
15:07.59lhr0bby: be good.
15:08.03r0bbyI am!
15:08.07r0bbyis an angel
15:08.15lhchecks angel list
15:08.16r0bbyhalo >> O:-)
15:08.25lhah right here, fallen angels.... hrm.....
15:08.36AJuOnLiNE|shpasses on the devils list to lh
15:08.38AJuOnLiNE|shcheck on that
15:08.51r0bby}=)
15:09.00r0bbysnickers and swipes AJuOnLiNE|sh's wallet
15:09.04MatthewWilkeslh: Put that way I couldn't possibly accept anything but the template ;)
15:09.12AJuOnLiNE|shr0bby: i am broke atm
15:09.27summatusmentishey, me too
15:09.43lhAJuOnLiNE|sh: that would be the fallen angels list. devil = fallen angel. or so sayeth the christians.
15:09.52lhMatthewWilkes: okay, for you i will fill in the template myself
15:10.10AJuOnLiNE|shah.. i dint know that. but wahtever serves the purpose ;)
15:10.11lhMatthewWilkes: dude if i were you i would have taken the fawning. how often do you get that offer/
15:10.19summatusmentisthey're wrong anyway :-P
15:10.30MatthewWilkeslh: British.  Apologise to busses, remember?
15:10.30lhsummatusmentis: possibly. i have no conclusive evidence.
15:10.31r0bbyto get good or not to get food
15:10.39MatthewWilkes'buses*
15:10.42lhr0bby: get good. you get crazy when you don't eat
15:10.47lhMatthewWilkes: i do recall that yes.
15:10.51lhs/good/food
15:10.59r0bbyfood*
15:11.18r0bbyactually, scott saw me when i dont eat
15:11.20r0bby:>
15:11.24summatusmentislh: science isn't enough?
15:11.37r0bbyI get a tad moody -- usually just kind of uhm negative
15:11.40AJuOnLiNE|shi think i need some help on my resume. and how to put it up on my webpage :-s
15:11.50MatthewWilkeslh: You're making me regret picking the template now ;)
15:11.57lhsummatusmentis: not really. science changes with every funeral. can
15:12.01lhs/can/can't
15:12.04lhwe just have an idea?
15:12.13lhMatthewWilkes: i am going to spice up the template for you.
15:12.22lhgoes to find coffee then write a letter for matthew wilkes
15:12.37summatusmentislh: that's fair I suppose
15:13.29summatusmentisAJuOnLiNE|sh: I'd help, but I don't have a webpage to put my resume on, so I'm of no use
15:13.55lhsummatusmentis: get one. google sites
15:14.02lhgoes to get coffee for real now
15:14.07r0bbyI have google pages i think
15:14.09AJuOnLiNE|shsummatusmentis: hmm thanks.. i will sak for it on friday.. :-/ got stuff to finish for college. deadline :-s
15:14.12r0bbyor did
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15:14.42AJuOnLiNE|shs/sak/ask
15:14.51AJuOnLiNE|shibot: no!
15:14.52ibot[no!] this a bad thing?
15:15.05AJuOnLiNE|shok i thought your gonna write that complete line again
15:15.21summatusmentislh: I think I have Google pages. It bugged me that I couldn't ftp things up
15:15.36r0bbyibot: lh?
15:15.37ibotsomebody said lh was amazing, and probably secretly super woman with super human powers
15:15.44r0bby:)
15:16.02AJuOnLiNE|shyAy!
15:16.14AJuOnLiNE|shibot: lh is Trinity!
15:16.15ibot...but lh is already something else...
15:16.33AJuOnLiNE|shyes that something else is called Trinity :P
15:17.06AJuOnLiNE|shi could use some super powers now.
15:17.12AJuOnLiNE|shi want to be invisible right now
15:17.17lhsummatusmentis: yes in some ways it is
15:17.17AJuOnLiNE|shand maybe fly too
15:17.22lhi wish i was that hot ajay
15:17.32lhAJuOnLiNE|sh: you can have my super powers.
15:17.46MatthewWilkeslh: You _rock_!
15:17.48AJuOnLiNE|shlh: gee thanks.. i think i coudl finish my tasks faster now ;)
15:18.20summatusmentisponders using ssh from an iPod Touch
15:18.22lhi am going to go and beat my head against the wall fora while
15:18.39lhsummatusmentis: denounce steev. all hail andy.
15:18.46lhgoes back to beating head against wall
15:18.47AJuOnLiNE|shandy++
15:18.53AJuOnLiNE|shwhy?!
15:19.00lhAJuOnLiNE|sh: mailing list pain.
15:19.31AJuOnLiNE|shwhich one? ours is dead
15:19.38summatusmentislh: andy isn't a media player, and andy is too elite for me right now
15:19.41lhis not discussing this, too busy beating head against wall
15:19.56summatusmentismaybe someday he'll love me :'(
15:19.56r0bbyputs padding on said wall
15:20.00lhsummatusmentis: define media player
15:20.02lhr0bby: thank you
15:20.04r0bbycan't have lh damaging too many brain cells
15:20.05lhandy loves me
15:20.12lhr0bby: you assume i have brain cells.
15:20.31summatusmentislh: something that'll have more than 5 hours of playback
15:20.42lhsummatusmentis: hrm. do you really need more than that?
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15:22.48summatusmentislh: I do a lot of flying and spending time in airports
15:22.56lhsummatusmentis: so do i.
15:23.01r0bbyI have no brain cells
15:23.14lhsummatusmentis: haven't you figured out where to find the power outlets in the airport yet?
15:23.18lhhas this down pat
15:23.48r0bbyOkay i'm outta here for 0xf00d
15:23.53summatusmentislh: power outlets make listening to music difficult :)
15:24.26lhsummatusmentis: are you complaining about lack of storage or poor battery life?
15:24.42lhr0bby: good, eating is good for you. low blood sugar + ADHD = bad scene
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15:24.47lhknows this personally
15:24.49lhall hail vincent
15:24.58MatthewWilkeshails vincent
15:25.40summatusmentispoor battery life more so. my current iPod would work, if it were working :)
15:26.19lhsummatusmentis: then you do need to know where to find power outlets in the airport. 'nuf said.
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15:26.57MatthewWilkesAmsterdam airport is tough for that
15:27.01MatthewWilkeshad to unplug a coke machine
15:27.04kendrickhey folks
15:27.12kendrickhits up O'Reilly for help with LUG's 10th birthday
15:27.21kendrickreminds himself he needs to poke lh too ;)
15:27.22kendricktee-hee
15:27.32MatthewWilkesthankfully I'd brought a 3gang extender
15:28.19lhkendrick: sup?
15:28.29lhMatthewWilkes: oh dude, that's hot. you need to tell girls that.
15:29.14kendricklh - if you think google can throw any speakers and/or sponsorship our way, that'd be spiffy
15:29.18MatthewWilkeslh: bah! :)
15:29.27kendricki think you said you, personally, were unavailable (it's a mid-january event)
15:32.02lhkendrick: probably, email please
15:32.07lhMatthewWilkes: i am serious dude.
15:32.14kendricksure sure
15:32.15kendrickthx
15:32.19lhkendrick: np.
15:32.35lhMatthewWilkes: well, imho, any of the ones you'd want would think that was the coolest thing they
15:32.43lhs/they/they'd
15:32.45lhheard all day
15:36.17lhahem
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15:36.20lhwas it something i said?
15:36.26lhMatthewWilkes: your letter has been sent
15:36.30lhjgay: all hail josh gay :)
15:37.05jgayhehe
15:38.34summatusmentishails jgay
15:39.09AJuOnLiNE|sh^5's jgay
15:39.46MatthewWilkeslh: Thanks so much!
15:39.51jgay^5
15:40.19MatthewWilkeslh: Although if you don't mind I think I might not use your picking up girls tip.  ;)
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15:40.59summatusmentisI'm with lh, use it!
15:42.15summatusmentisI feel so gross, I'm installing Eudora for someone
15:42.48AJuOnLiNE|shisnt that project dead?
15:44.10summatusmentisapparently a bunch of faculty at my Uni still use it
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15:52.22AJuOnLiNE|shsummatusmentis: can you confirm if it downloads chats from gmail too via pop?
15:52.23r0bbylh: I know :)
15:52.47r0bbyeated
15:52.47r0bby:>
15:52.55summatusmentisAJuOnLiNE|sh: I have no idea
15:53.26AJuOnLiNE|shsummatusmentis: try it when you do that :P
15:53.53summatusmentisuh... these are faculty computer :)
15:54.14r0bbyit downloads chats?!?!
15:54.18r0bbyhrm
15:54.46AJuOnLiNE|shr0bby: someone was telling. i didnt want to install it and try :-/ i have thunderbird.
15:56.13lhMatthewWilkes: darn skippy
15:56.26lhr0bby: you know what?
15:56.43lhall hail t-bird and scott macgregor
15:56.56lhand now i am going to concentrate on this ubuntu developer summit conference call
15:57.07r0bbylh: hrm?
15:57.28r0bbylh: what do I know?
15:57.56lhr0bby: nm con call
16:00.13r0bbyyeh yeh
16:00.16r0bbyignore r0bby
16:00.19r0bbyshakes fist
16:01.50mlankhorstHmm
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16:04.04kyronanyone goog people here know Eric Rollins? I just found out he's a MV employee (and am reading his stuff about CUDA/GPGPU... interesting but some stuff I doubt about ICC Vs GCC)
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16:22.23soniumHi, i forgot correcting my address. Is there still a chance of getting an tshirt?
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16:24.48AJuOnLiNE|shsonium: the data pull was taken wednesday[last]
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16:25.15soniumthat means?
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16:26.14MatthewWilkessonium: That means whoever lives where you used to has just recieved or is about to recieve a nice shirt
16:26.53soniumok
16:27.04AJuOnLiNE|shsonium: the address data was taken last wednesday. and shipments already have that data. probably its shipped by now.
16:27.53soniumI hope *str. instead of *street is not this critical
16:28.16MatthewWilkessonium: So it's your correct address, but didn't follow the formatting rules?
16:28.33soniumyes
16:28.47bobbensformatting rules? don't scare me :)
16:28.56MatthewWilkessonium: Somebody left a . in the name and has now recieved the shirt, so you may be lucky.  If not it'll delay it
16:29.09soniumkk
16:29.12AJuOnLiNE|shbobbens: yes. no special characters. to make it simpler.
16:29.28bobbensi wrote what i always write for international orders, i'm guessing that'll get through
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16:29.34bobbensseeing that i do get packages :)
16:30.07AJuOnLiNE|shbobbens: it was not about getting or not. probably the 3rd party stuff they were using this time messes things up if you give it a special char.
16:30.23bobbensit's all ascii
16:30.39soniumdot is ascii too I think
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16:30.56AJuOnLiNE|shgives up
16:31.08MatthewWilkesbetter safe than sorry
16:31.09AJuOnLiNE|shasks everyone to go read the ML :P
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16:31.56soniumunfortunately discovered gmail's auto-archive function
16:32.05AJuOnLiNE|sh=)
16:32.26AJuOnLiNE|shsonium: bobbens http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/t/79226b9fd70e90b1
16:32.42soniumthey should have created two mailinglists, one for important stuff, and one for spam
16:32.53Landonannouncements / students
16:32.56Landon:)
16:33.01Landonother than that, filter for lh
16:33.02AJuOnLiNE|sh+1
16:33.17bobbenslh sends too many emails :P
16:33.21r0bbyalso filter for Robert O'Connor :)
16:33.28bobbensi read the ones i get in my inbox :)
16:33.29r0bbystraight to the trash
16:34.22AJuOnLiNE|shor send r0bby directly to the trash
16:34.24AJuOnLiNE|shruns
16:35.41bobbensI've got a '/', but that's all
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16:36.52Landonfwiw I've read all 5047 emails I've received so far
16:36.53Landon>.>
16:36.57r0bbyputs AJuOnLiNE|sh in a dumpster and sets it on fire :)
16:37.02Landonobv filtering isn't a concern of mine
16:37.43summatusmentisLandon: on purpose?
16:37.56Landonno, I accidentally read them all :P
16:38.06summatusmentisThat's really excessive
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16:39.04AJuOnLiNE|shsummatusmentis: not really. Landon now knows a bit of what lh hsa to do
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16:39.15Landonsummatusmentis: a few a day average
16:39.22Landonwell
16:39.26Landona dozen a day
16:39.33Landonstill not too bad for a quick skim
16:39.50LandonI pretty much read them as I received them
16:39.55summatusmentisit was like... 150 the first day
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16:43.25AJuOnLiNE|shand i went digest since then
16:43.41summatusmentisme too, I don't read them though :)
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16:48.56lhfor those complaining about how much email i send
16:48.57lhi say
16:48.58lh:p
16:49.01lhgoes away again
16:49.30summatusmentisI don't think we were complaining, just commiserating with the amount of email you have to read
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16:52.43lhsummatusmentis: all a part of the job. and i love my work. :)
16:53.42summatusmentislh: fair enough. even though we're only a small part of your job, we love you too
16:54.25summatusmentis(in the most platonic way possible)
16:54.57lhsummatusmentis: not that small.
16:55.03lhsummatusmentis: i knew that, thank you for clarifying tho
16:55.17summatusmentisok, s/small//
16:55.19AJuOnLiNE|shyAy!
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17:19.59SanMehatlh: ping - break?
17:20.11lhSanMehat: yes
17:20.12lhcome on over
17:20.57kendricklooks at google stock news
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18:01.18r0bbywishes he had lh's job
18:01.26r0bbywishes he had a job PERIOD
18:01.38r0bbywhich doesn't involve retail or flipping burgers
18:02.16kendrickheh
18:02.25trur0bby: so, what's your skillset and where do you live?
18:03.58r0bbyOh I suck
18:04.37zukunftsalickr0bby: Did you were a google student this year?
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18:07.28Ivanovickblin: around?
18:07.45Ivanovickblin: just talked to Sirp about transportation when arriving at SFO
18:08.04Ivanovicand he said that it would be better for him, if you could take us with you and we just call him once we are at the hotel
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18:11.42r0bbyzukunftsalick: i was :)
18:12.22zukunftsalickr0bby: so you should know something....... where do you live?
18:15.21r0bbyNY
18:15.28r0bbyzukunftsalick: I didn't finish my project
18:15.42r0bbyfor the past month i've not been home during the weekends :X
18:15.49r0bbyand weeks are spent procrastinating :X
18:16.16zukunftsalickI don`t believe...
18:16.46r0bbyMy mentor passed me
18:16.51r0bbyI'm gonna finish it
18:16.58r0bbytho, i don't know _HOW_
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18:17.07zukunftsalickwhich project was?
18:17.09Maikucontinues to work on his as well
18:17.11r0bbyI suspect that an important piece won't work
18:17.30r0bbyhttp://openmrs.org/wiki/GroovyForms_Module
18:17.33r0bby:)
18:17.55r0bbyI needed my mentor to bounce ideas off of
18:18.09r0bbyand he was AWOL and I designed myself into a corner :/
18:18.29r0bbyI just hope it works
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18:19.40kblinIvanovic: sounds good
18:19.41Maiku:)
18:20.02r0bbyI needed to use templates
18:20.06r0bbytemplates didn't work
18:20.09r0bbyso I decided I wouldn'
18:20.11r0bbyt use them
18:20.19r0bbyadding support isn't hard
18:20.29Ivanovickblin: okay
18:20.30r0bbybut it was easier to just NOT use them for now
18:20.43kblinIvanovic: is that wild palms or domain?
18:20.49zukunftsalickmmmmm.. is it written in php ?
18:21.10Ivanovicwild palms
18:21.35kblinok, need to check how to get there then
18:22.13r0bbyzukunftsalick: no groovy/java and JSP/HTML for the views
18:22.20r0bbygroovy is the controller/model
18:22.38r0bbythe backend is also groovy :)
18:22.42zukunftsalickhmm I see...
18:22.46r0bbyit was easier to do it in groovy
18:23.10Ivanovic!mentorsummitwiki
18:23.10socinfo"mentorsummitwiki" is http://gsoc-mentors-2008.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Main_Page - the password details can be found on the mentor's mailing list
18:24.29Ivanovichttp://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=111193371685251787855.000457aa22a505fe63172
18:25.20Ivanoviclooks like it is enough to follow the street from domain
18:25.20kblinthat looks like statistical distribution of where the hotel could be ;)
18:25.50Ivanovic:)
18:25.50kblin0.6 mi – about 58 secs
18:25.59kblinsounds doable
18:26.28Ivanovicwild palms is basically in the far south west where domain is close to the far east
18:26.30Ivanovic;)
18:27.24Ivanovicand for me maps.google says that it is ~2mins between the two
18:27.26Ivanovic;)
18:27.41kblinhmm
18:27.47kblinbut 0.6 miles?
18:28.05Ivanovic0.6 to 0.8
18:28.11Ivanovicdepending on where you put the marker
18:28.28Ivanovicsays 12mins when walking, so it is not too bad
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18:28.57brlcad10 if you're sober
18:29.02kblinhehe
18:29.09Ivanovicbrlcad: okay, so 20 in RL
18:29.11Ivanovic;)
18:30.04kblinah, right, had the driving directions the wrong way around
18:30.56Ivanovickblin: and to make finding me and mordante easier, we got a pic of the wesnoth people from this years fosdem: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20046
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18:31.47kblindid we ever meet on linuxtag?
18:33.38Ivanovickblin: no
18:33.46kblinhmm
18:33.55kblinmaybe I saw your picture before
18:33.59kblinyou look familiar
18:34.05Ivanovicmaybe you met one of my fivethousand clones...
18:34.07Ivanovic;)
18:34.15Ivanoviclh: just got a message that my payment was initiated
18:34.19kblinI guess so
18:34.27kblinIvanovic: 30 days it is, then
18:34.43Ivanovicjupp, exactly
18:34.48kblinIvanovic: let's see if you get the additional 1%
18:34.58Ivanovicplus X days for the money to travel via the wires
18:35.12Ivanovicthough the invoice date was the 17th
18:35.22Ivanovicand it looks like they wired exactly the requested amount
18:35.47Ivanovic(no idea how fees for the transfer are handled, if google is covering them, or if i got to)
18:36.33Ivanovicokay, taking a shower now and watching soccer afterwards, cu
18:43.33lhIvanovic: lovely
18:43.51lhr0bby: you do not want my job.
18:44.10lhr0bby: my job requires patience. you are under equipped at this time.
18:44.29kendrickheh
18:44.45kendricklh is a good example of a multitasking system
18:44.55kendrickdoing a million things, having patience for processes that are not complete.
18:45.03lhkendrick: powered by love. :)
18:45.08kendrickshe will become one... with the borg.
18:45.20kendrickher technology will be absorbed.
18:45.25r0bbylh: i have patience
18:45.26kendrickreminds me; i need to email her
18:45.43lhr0bby: no you dont
18:45.51r0bbyDO TOO!
18:45.56lhkendrick: what makes you think the borg doesn't already have me assimilated?
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18:46.40kendricklack of meaningless goggles and lasers...?
18:47.45r0bbyheh
18:49.00r0bbyhmm
18:49.15r0bbyI think i know why they wrote "Rob is a douche
18:49.16r0bby<PROTECTED>
18:49.20r0bbythey drew a cake
18:49.53r0bbyand I wrote "NOT a lie (but the (pi symbol) is though)
18:49.56r0bby:)
18:50.08r0bbywith an arrow pointing to the cvake
18:50.10kendricknot ONLY is the cake a lie, but there isn't even a spoon with which to eat the ice cream
18:50.47r0bbyGAH
18:50.54r0bbybut lh's cakes can't be a lie
18:50.59r0bbythey are so delicious
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18:53.03kendrickemail sent, lh
18:53.12kendrickno rush.  meeting's not for 3 months
18:54.23Landonis going to make a chainmail mouthguard
18:54.24Landonheh
18:54.28Landonthis will be interesting
18:54.34Landonwaiting for the catalog to arrive from worth co
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20:41.47Ivanovicfootball match is over, time for little Ivanovic to head off to bed to get some sleep before his exam tomorrow...
20:44.04MatthewWilkeshail
20:45.22Ivanovicn8
20:49.31lhkendrick: you've been queued for next week
20:50.42kendrickguf?
20:50.46scorche|shlhlhlh
20:51.08kendrickwhat about next week?
20:52.20mlankhorst:O
20:52.37kendrick>X^{}
20:52.42kendrick<8-o
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20:52.58kendrick>#v#<
20:53.17kendrickhoh boy.  i put the 'pro' in 'procrastinate'
20:57.05mlankhorstCan't be arsed doing that :/
20:59.27Landonmaybe later
21:00.25MatthewWilkesmeh, new MBPs...  Crappy mini display port
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21:05.46kendrickstares at lh
21:05.52kendrickwhat have i been roped into?
21:05.53lhkendrick: what?
21:06.10kendrick<lh> kendrick: you've been queued for next week
21:07.21lhkendrick: i will respond to your mail next week
21:07.24lhgoes to a meeting
21:07.28kendrickaaaaahhh
21:07.32kendrickgotchya
21:07.38kendrickthought 'next week' as in gsoc
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22:40.37lhanyone know of a good online resource for ordering engraved stainless steel flasks with delivery in less than 2 weeks?
22:41.53Landonon a slightly related note... does anyone know how to reliably dull stainless steel without leaving residue or anything
22:42.05lhLandon: tea
22:42.19Landonintriguing
22:42.22LandonI'll have to do that
22:42.36summatusmentisstainless steal flasks?
22:46.31lhsummatusmentis: i need them for san
22:46.40lhbride and groom party gifts
22:46.47summatusmentisah, most reasonable then
22:51.01lhLandon: black tea
22:51.45LandonI'll have to look around for that
22:54.08lhLandon: get lipton tea bags, that's all you need - plus they are cheap
22:54.18lhand will be available in oklahoma for that matter
22:54.20lhor kansas
22:54.25Landonok :P
22:54.25lhare you in kansas?
22:55.28LandonI am!
22:55.43Landonand I know where to get lipton!
22:55.45Landonheh
22:55.48Landonnow to get my stainless steel
22:56.12Landongoing to look at making a mouth guard of sorts so I don't lose a tooth while running around
22:56.18Landon(and being shot at)
22:56.23Landonof course
22:56.40Landontime for dinners
22:57.35summatusmentisa mouth guardout of stainless steel?
23:02.40lhsummatusmentis: it's not the worst idea i have ever heard
23:05.18summatusmentisI need to find a good place to slack line
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23:50.41araujoback and greets
23:52.06theboltmorning
23:56.00lharaujo: hola mi amigo. la fiesta ayer noche es muy bueno.
23:56.05lhneeds to learn past tense spanish
23:56.42araujohahaha
23:56.47araujolh, yeah? :-D
23:57.05araujolh, good you had a nice time!
23:57.14araujolh, 'la fiesta estuvo muy buena'
23:57.15lharaujo: very nice time, the people were lovely
23:57.16araujo:-]
23:57.18lhestuvo
23:57.23lhmakes note
23:57.26araujo:-D
23:57.35lharaujo: they invited me to come down in february to give a talk on open source
23:57.38lhso i think i might go
23:57.45araujolh, yeah?, .. did you collect funds?
23:57.52araujowow, awesome
23:58.34lharaujo: no funds, i need to find those myself. it was a benefit dinner for earth university.
23:58.56araujolh, nice :-D
23:59.11summatusmentishow is everyone here?
23:59.47lharaujo: i tries. let's see how i succeedz.
23:59.54lhsummatusmentis: very well dear. how are you?

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