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15:46.38easwarHCl is registered,but nickserv didn't throw me out after 30 seconds
15:46.58easwaroops,wrong channel
15:49.29thebolt|awayeaswar: not everyone have theiur nick set for autokill.. (i for one don't)
15:49.50easwarhmm
15:50.01thebolt:P
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15:50.44thebolt|awaydoes not mean i can do it manually :P
15:50.48thebolt|awaycannot*
15:51.32easwarthebolt|away, how did you do that?
15:51.54thebolt|awayyou do /msg nickserv ghost <nickname> <password>
15:52.07Ivanovicthis command: /nickserv ghost NICKNAME PASSWORD
15:52.18easwarwill come in useful when I have an error in my network,but the channel still retains my nick,even if I've switched my router off
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15:56.09easwarthebolt|away, then thebolt|away is a separate nick of yours?
15:56.47easwarwhat's a cloak?Isn't a nick change because of your being away a cloak?
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17:02.23thiagoeaswar: no, a cloak is your IP/hostname changed to a generic thing
17:02.49thiagosee: 15:02 -!- thiago [i=thiago@kde/thiago]
17:03.06easwarthiago, ??
17:03.35thiago13:56 < easwar> what's a cloak?Isn't a nick change because of your being away a cloak?
17:04.15easwarthiago, I got that.What with the see: 15:02 .........
17:04.17easwar?
17:04.54bobbenshe copied something from his irc client
17:04.58bobbenshas the timestamp
17:05.02thiagowhois yourself then whois me
17:05.05thiagoyou'll see the difference
17:05.06bobbensand he's pointing out thiago's ip is cloaked
17:05.24bobbensunlike some of us who have nothing to hide :P
17:06.06easwarthiago, how do you do that?
17:06.25thiagoyou have to ask Freenode administration
17:06.25bobbensread about freenode policies :)
17:06.45easwarbobbens, I appreciate that,but don't appreciate being traced to my geographical location without wanting to,via Reverse DNS
17:06.57thiagoeaswar: then don't connect to IRC
17:06.58bobbenswell my ip isn't my real one :)
17:07.02thiagoin fact, don't use the Internet
17:07.05bobbensit's a vserver :)
17:07.23easwarthiago, and it will be nigh possible to cloak your IP if it's not static,right?
17:07.24bobbensmost people assume it is and that i'm german though :)
17:07.48easwarthiago, that's an extreme solution
17:08.01bobbenseaswar: it's linked to your registered nick
17:08.14bobbenswhich is why before some people login you see them uncloaked
17:08.49easwarbobbens, so you can cloak even if you have a dynamic IP?
17:08.57bobbensyes
17:09.40easwarbobbens, but you have to know the range of IP addresses you can be allotted if you want to cloak it?
17:09.42thiagoeaswar: no
17:09.49thiagothe cloaking happens when you identify to nickserv
17:10.16easwarthiago, ok,and how do you do it?
17:10.26bobbensscroll up
17:11.00easwarwell,other than asking freenode admin
17:11.23bobbensget someone else to ask a freenode admin
17:11.24thiagoI type: /quote nickserv identify <my-password>
17:12.00easwarbobbens, why?freenode admins don't entertain requests from casual users?
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17:12.30bobbensno, just indicating that there is no other way then to ask a freenode admin
17:12.35bobbensi recommend you read up on freenode policies
17:13.35easwarthiago, didn't work.Has it to be done when you login?
17:13.40thiagono
17:13.45thiagohave you talked to an admin alraedy?
17:13.56easwarthiago, nope
17:14.08thiagothen it won't work
17:14.20thiagofirst you get a cloak from Freenode. Only then can you use it.
17:14.25easwarthiago, ok
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18:43.20Matthew_Hello
18:44.41Landonoi
18:45.13Matthew_hi
18:45.15Matthew_I'm new
18:45.20Matthew_to the whole IRC thing
18:45.43Matthew_but I'm prospective student wishing to take advantage of this project this summer
18:45.51Landoncool cool
18:45.52Matthew_*i'm a prospective...
18:46.12Matthew_Are there any kinds of courtesy rules I should be acknowledging?
18:46.25Landoncommon sense :P but you
18:46.31Landon're doign a pretty good job at that
18:46.36Matthew_thanks
18:46.39Landonwhat year are you?
18:46.55Matthew_I'm 3rd year in college current, computer science major
18:47.03Matthew_*currently
18:47.14Matthew_pardon my typos
18:47.38Landonsfine
18:48.02Matthew_which type of client do you recommend for using IRC, I downloaded chatzilla because it seemed easy
18:48.25LandonI personally use irssi as do many others here
18:48.41Landonbut if you're not comfortable with command line I wouldnt recommend it
18:49.10LandonI'm not too up to date on the gui front, but I think xchat is another good client
18:49.23Matthew_well I'm a linux user so command line isn't that big a problem
18:50.05Matthew_I just haven't seen a concise guide for connecting to networks and registering nicknames and all that
18:50.33Landonfor registering nicknames, /msg nickserv help
18:50.41Matthew_oh thanks
18:51.14Matthew_I'm guessing that not too many people use Matthew as their nickname up here
18:51.38grandadmiralmcbI've just changed my name
18:52.00grandadmiralmcbthanks for the advice
18:53.23grandadmiralmcbso is it difficult to get included in the gsoc project?
18:53.35Landonnah
18:53.46grandadmiralmcbthat's good
18:53.59Landonjust get to know the communities/projects you're applying for
18:54.07Landonhang around in their IRC channels
18:54.20grandadmiralmcbyeah, that's probably the most important thing, establishing contacts
18:54.25grandadmiralmcbI'll keep that in mind
18:55.22grandadmiralmcbwhat's a good set of programming languages that would be most useful for most of the communities and projects?
18:55.32grandadmiralmcbI'm guessing the usual C++, python, java
18:55.44grandadmiralmcbany others you think are also needed?
18:55.54Landonwell
18:56.00Landon!orgsbylang
18:56.00socinfoError: "orgsbylang" is not a valid command.
18:56.02Landondang
18:56.09Landonit doesn't really matter
18:56.15grandadmiralmcboh okay
18:56.16Landonchances are you'll find an org for every mainstream language
18:56.24grandadmiralmcbthat's awesome
18:56.35Landonhave you seen the list of orgs from previous years?
18:57.04grandadmiralmcbI've looked through some lists, a lot of major organizations were up there like canonical, mozilla, etc
18:57.15Landonyeah
18:57.16Landonplenty :P
18:57.35pygigrandadmiralmcb, Canonical/Ubuntu weren't there last year
18:57.57pygiand for a good reason too IMHO
18:58.04grandadmiralmcbyeah
18:58.53grandadmiralmcbyeah canonical has made a few weird decisions lately
19:00.27grandadmiralmcblike the noninclusion of openoffice 3.0 in their intrepid ibex release or that hardware killing bug they had during beta
19:01.37pygithat has nothing to do with gsoc
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19:02.57grandadmiralmcbI'm sorry
19:03.42grandadmiralmcbI was just continuing the conversation, as to why it was good reason for why they weren't in last years gsoc--I'm sure student testers would not like to have something like that happen to them (hardware bug)
19:03.56grandadmiralmcbbut I do have questions more pertinent to gsoc
19:04.11grandadmiralmcbsuch as when do applications start again for 2009
19:04.26Landonafter gsoc 2009 has been confirmed as happening
19:04.27Landon:P
19:04.32grandadmiralmcbright
19:04.39grandadmiralmcbI hope it does though
19:04.41Landonhas played paper mario for 13:37
19:05.17grandadmiralmcbif not I'll just volunteer for one of these organizations that I meet either from here or elsewhere
19:05.27pygihehe :)
19:05.29grandadmiralmcbI just want to get some code out to the community
19:05.29pygithats nice
19:05.38pygigrandadmiralmcb, you can start right away then :)
19:05.43grandadmiralmcbreally?
19:05.53pygiwell, sure, you can always volunteer :)
19:05.58grandadmiralmcbthat's right
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19:06.52grandadmiralmcbI've done some volunteer work for people in my local area, I worked on a .net project that was a specialized word processor that read in templates from a database and were edited by the user.
19:07.23Landonwhwere are you at?
19:07.30grandadmiralmcbeastern NC
19:07.39grandadmiralmcbin USA
19:07.46grandadmiralmcbif that helps get my geographic region
19:07.55Landoncool
19:08.15grandadmiralmcbCurrently I'm working on a project for a lightweight dock for windows vista
19:08.31grandadmiralmcba simple one with user editble icons and stuff
19:09.18grandadmiralmcbI'm working on it in vb 2008 to get a grasp of XAML
19:09.37LandonXAML?
19:10.04grandadmiralmcbI think its a proprietary standard from microsoft that's looks a lot like XML
19:10.16Landonheh
19:10.24grandadmiralmcbxtensivle application markup language
19:10.40grandadmiralmcbits like taking an application and coding it similar to a webpage I guess
19:10.45grandadmiralmcb*Extensible
19:11.07Landonfor the GUI bit?
19:11.08grandadmiralmcbI believe its tied to the WPF in vista
19:11.10grandadmiralmcbyeah
19:11.17grandadmiralmcbfor the GUI bit
19:11.48grandadmiralmcbI like that better than how they had it in the previous vb's
19:11.58grandadmiralmcbbecause the gui bit was tied together with your code
19:12.29grandadmiralmcbnow how the application looks is usually handled separately I believe
19:12.29grandadmiralmcbbut I'm still learning more as to how that works
19:13.15grandadmiralmcbhere's a quick clip from the msdn .net framework developer center
19:13.17grandadmiralmcbXAML simplifies creating a UI for the .NET Framework programming model. You can create visible UI elements in the declarative XAML markup, and then separate the UI definition from the run-time logic by using code-behind files, joined to the markup through partial class definitions. The ability to mix code with markup in XAML is important because XML by itself is declarative, and does not...
19:13.18grandadmiralmcb...really suggest a model for flow control. An XML based declarative language is very intuitive for creating interfaces ranging from prototype to production, especially for people with a background in web design and technologies. Unlike most other markup languages, XAML directly represents the instantiation of managed objects. This general design principle enables simplified code and...
19:13.20grandadmiralmcb...debugging access for objects that are created in XAML.
19:13.26grandadmiralmcboops
19:13.29grandadmiralmcbthat was a bit big
19:14.04grandadmiralmcbbut I'm hoping that maybe by learning this I can be useful to an organization in gsoc that designs for the .net framework and WPF
19:14.14grandadmiralmcbjust broadening my skill base
19:20.48grandadmiralmcbwell I'll see you people around, I have things to do, it was a pleasure speaking with those who spoke with me
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20:18.37summatusmentishi all
20:24.08MatthewWilkeshi summatusmentis
20:24.46summatusmentishow goes it MatthewWilkes
20:32.26MatthewWilkesok, thanks, you?
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21:22.08summatusmentisMatthewWilkes: I'm alright, tired
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