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| 03:51.03 | bourgeau_ | Dear gsoc community, I'm new in this program and I would like to have some advises about an attempt to propose our ideas for this year program. |
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| 03:55.18 | bourgeau_ | We are co-develeloping a world wide platform call PlanetLab that deepen facilities to test nest generation applications on an overlay spread in 900 nodes in the world. |
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| 03:59.11 | scorche | bourgeau_: sorry, but i am not sure what you are asking...what were you looking for advice on? |
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| 04:07.54 | bourgeau_ | Hi scorche, I'm searching for advises on how to bring students into interest on our community, we are split into two entities in US and Europe. Thus in our proposition we have proposed the European vision of the project and have disseminate the information in our university, do you have any idea of how to bring abroad students aware of our ideas. |
| 04:10.29 | scorche | ah...spreading the word...well, you can try and get some mention on some blogs, get people talking about it, etc...i am not a very good publicity person, but any way of getting the word out would be good...of course if you are accepted you org will be listed with the rest, so that people can click the link and see what your project is about, etc |
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| 04:18.29 | bourgeau_ | The team in Europe is more focused on the topology measurement (M-Lab stuff) and platform tools (monitoring, user facilities) and the US team is more focused on virtualization and operation tools for the platform, can we have two different proposals or one global idea page should be the must? |
| 04:20.22 | thebolt | bourgeau_: when you apply to gsoc (if you want to have any chance to get in i think;) apply as one mentoring organization.. then how you organize your idea page is up to you |
| 04:23.02 | bourgeau_ | Yeah, federation is our goal so we will put all our "PlanetLab" community ideas in the same page, thanks for your advise. |
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| 05:04.40 | milki | o.O |
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| 06:53.01 | arunkcec | can u help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 |
| 06:53.08 | arunkcec | iam new 2 gsoc |
| 06:53.46 | arunkcec | (au) |
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| 06:54.14 | revx | >.> |
| 06:54.16 | revx | <.< |
| 06:57.18 | scorche | couldnt tell |
| 06:59.04 | revx | indeed |
| 06:59.53 | revx | I don't know if he/she was being fecitious.. the 1's at the end of the 'help me' are throwing me off |
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| 07:01.13 | sid0 | given that the IP is from india |
| 07:01.33 | revx | sid0: my IP doesn't reflect where I'm from :) |
| 07:01.49 | lut4rp | hi sid0 |
| 07:01.49 | sid0 | and it's part of a dynamic IP range ;) |
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| 07:41.08 | rahul_cool | hey i wanna help in gegl project on nonlinear resample......any body can help me plz...... |
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| 07:45.09 | scorche | rahul_cool: help with what? |
| 07:46.20 | rahul_cool | hey i hav a problem in understanding the algorithm used in the gegl-sampler-sharp.c code |
| 07:46.28 | Huy | Teo`: hey |
| 07:46.40 | rahul_cool | the project is based on this code only |
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| 07:48.10 | Landon | doesnt quite think this ist he place to ask about that |
| 07:48.39 | lut4rp | rahul_cool: ask in the project's channel or mailing list |
| 07:50.47 | rahul_cool | can u give me the link for projects channel???? |
| 07:51.37 | beket | rahul_cool, google:) |
| 07:51.42 | milki | rahul_cool: try the website for the project? |
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| 07:59.07 | r0bby | er |
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| 09:45.57 | nvictor | hello |
| 09:46.02 | nvictor | anybody online? |
| 09:46.21 | scorche | 179 others, it seems... |
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| 09:47.28 | nvictor | scorche: hi |
| 09:47.39 | nvictor | I want to learn a little bit about the gsoc |
| 09:47.45 | nvictor | how does it work? |
| 09:47.51 | scorche | ~faq |
| 09:47.52 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 09:48.04 | scorche | that should answer most questions like that.. |
| 09:48.28 | nvictor | thanks |
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| 10:26.36 | HanzZ | hm... I will propably write mail to lh, instead of waiting for her :) |
| 10:29.08 | scorche | might we be able to help instead of bugging her? |
| 10:29.26 | proudfoot | hello |
| 10:29.40 | proudfoot | hi scorche again |
| 10:29.59 | scorche | waves |
| 10:36.20 | spectie | mornin |
| 10:42.13 | Huy | hi |
| 10:42.53 | proudfoot | hello |
| 10:43.08 | Huy | any lady here |
| 10:43.13 | proudfoot | no |
| 10:43.18 | proudfoot | try #pregancy |
| 10:43.18 | spectie | i've no doubt there are |
| 10:43.23 | scorche | ... |
| 10:43.25 | proudfoot | haha |
| 10:43.30 | proudfoot | I meant no ladies for you :P |
| 10:43.34 | spectie | but it is a strange question for a channel on programming |
| 10:43.43 | proudfoot | Well, it might be a woman looking for another woman |
| 10:43.49 | proudfoot | because she feels less threatened |
| 10:43.52 | proudfoot | asking another woman for help |
| 10:43.54 | scorche | well, technically this isnt a channel "on programming", but.... ;) |
| 10:43.55 | proudfoot | or a desperate guy |
| 10:44.05 | spectie | indeed proudfoot |
| 10:44.07 | proudfoot | looking for a date who shares a common interest |
| 10:44.12 | spectie | scorche, perhaps you could explain it better ? :P |
| 10:44.19 | thebolt | proudfoot: you know there are no women on internet :) |
| 10:44.23 | scorche | "on gsoc" works |
| 10:44.31 | proudfoot | really? |
| 10:44.43 | proudfoot | thebolt, i point you to pornotube.com |
| 10:44.47 | proudfoot | it is part of the internet |
| 10:44.50 | proudfoot | and those are, i hope, woman |
| 10:44.58 | spectie | no porn in here |
| 10:45.00 | proudfoot | if not i am going to silently cry to myself |
| 10:45.24 | thebolt | proudfoot: "The Internet: Where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents!" |
| 10:45.32 | Huy | I just want to know if there are any ladies participate on GSoC, ;D |
| 10:45.43 | spectie | yes Huy |
| 10:45.47 | spectie | i'm sure there will be |
| 10:45.58 | spectie | question, answered. |
| 10:46.00 | scorche | Huy: lots...we would always like more, but... |
| 10:46.02 | spectie | high fives himself |
| 10:46.11 | thebolt | there have been all/most earlier years and i assume there will be this year as well |
| 10:46.29 | proudfoot | huy, dakedesu is i think a girl |
| 10:46.52 | proudfoot | woman do participate in the program |
| 10:46.58 | proudfoot | though I assume the majority here are men |
| 10:48.48 | thebolt | remembers the nick dakedesu from a forum he used to frequent.. wonder if it is the same person |
| 10:49.16 | proudfoot | btw, thebolt |
| 10:49.26 | proudfoot | a friend of mine who's interested in 3d stuff is a pretty good fit for crystalspace |
| 10:49.27 | proudfoot | pm? |
| 10:49.55 | thebolt | well, i won't be a mentor or admin this year (most probably will be a student;) and just right now i have to go and get dinner |
| 10:50.14 | proudfoot | hahaha |
| 10:50.23 | proudfoot | lawl |
| 10:50.26 | proudfoot | were you last year? |
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| 10:50.41 | thebolt | i've been mentor and admin for the last three years, yea |
| 10:50.45 | proudfoot | ah |
| 10:50.48 | proudfoot | so why student status now |
| 10:50.50 | proudfoot | pays more? |
| 10:50.51 | proudfoot | :P |
| 10:50.57 | thebolt | well, more like its my last chance :) |
| 10:51.03 | proudfoot | aww |
| 10:51.07 | proudfoot | who's mentoring this year |
| 10:51.08 | thebolt | i'll graduate somewhen next spring |
| 10:51.11 | proudfoot | is he/she bribable? |
| 10:51.19 | proudfoot | we got cake |
| 10:51.23 | thebolt | haha, no :) and there have been multiple mentors all years |
| 10:51.36 | proudfoot | anyways, DinkyDogg_ is the friend who's probably a better fit then i am |
| 10:51.40 | thebolt | but i assume jorrit will be admin and one of the mentors |
| 10:51.47 | proudfoot | ah |
| 10:51.48 | proudfoot | awesome |
| 10:52.03 | scorche|sh | thebolt: good luck =) |
| 10:52.53 | DinkyDogg_ | hi |
| 10:52.55 | DinkyDogg_ | what's up? |
| 10:53.09 | DinkyDogg_ | oh, hi there The_Sorce |
| 10:53.11 | DinkyDogg_ | er |
| 10:53.12 | DinkyDogg_ | lol autocomplete |
| 10:53.14 | DinkyDogg_ | thebolt, |
| 10:53.33 | DinkyDogg_ | i'm friends with proudfoot |
| 10:53.36 | proudfoot | DinkyDogg_'s someone who was too good to go to a public school, anyways, |
| 10:53.49 | proudfoot | uhm, how will the evaluations be done this year? |
| 10:53.51 | spectie | too good for public school ? |
| 10:53.52 | DinkyDogg_ | stanford ftw |
| 10:54.05 | scorche|sh | proudfoot: the same way they have always be done? |
| 10:54.15 | scorche|sh | s/be/been |
| 10:54.16 | proudfoot | err, how do you plan to evaluate potentials |
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| 10:54.41 | proudfoot | oh god its root |
| 10:54.42 | proudfoot | run |
| 10:54.49 | Huy | get root |
| 10:54.52 | Huy | :D |
| 10:55.25 | scorche|sh | proudfoot: well, that depends on a lot of things...have you seen the student advice page? |
| 10:55.40 | proudfoot | nopr |
| 10:55.43 | proudfoot | link plz? |
| 10:56.07 | proudfoot | found it |
| 10:56.07 | proudfoot | nvm |
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| 10:57.11 | proudfoot | but how applications are processed is more or less up to the mentors |
| 10:57.15 | proudfoot | i thought |
| 10:59.08 | scorche|sh | not more or less...they are |
| 10:59.13 | HanzZ | scorche, I was asking some days ago |
| 10:59.17 | HanzZ | but I can ask again |
| 10:59.26 | HanzZ | Hi, I have question about eligibility. In FAQ there is written "As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 20, 2009, you are eligible to participate in the program". I'm passing leaving exams in grammar school this year, but I will not know if I'm accepted to university on the 20th of April, because I just can't know it in Czech Republic (I will have only applications submitted). Can I participate in SoC or not? thanks for respon |
| 10:59.26 | HanzZ | se |
| 10:59.49 | HanzZ | but summatusmentis told me I could ask her |
| 10:59.53 | proudfoot | yeah |
| 11:01.10 | scorche|sh | HanzZ: arent there oddles of similar questions in the discussion list? |
| 11:02.25 | proudfoot | ty |
| 11:03.29 | HanzZ | hm... I will take a look |
| 11:03.32 | scorche|sh | HanzZ: you need to be able to provide some sort of paper that says you will be attending a college/university in the fall by that date at the very least |
| 11:03.49 | proudfoot | it might be a grey area though |
| 11:04.19 | scorche|sh | well, having the application submitted isnt quite enrolled, but... |
| 11:04.34 | proudfoot | for foreign students |
| 11:04.35 | proudfoot | especially |
| 11:04.42 | proudfoot | who's school schedules are quite different from ours |
| 11:05.06 | scorche|sh | i dont understand...what is grey about that? |
| 11:05.51 | proudfoot | because GSOC might be built with the assumpton |
| 11:05.52 | proudfoot | that |
| 11:05.54 | proudfoot | by april 20 |
| 11:05.59 | proudfoot | you know if you're gonna be in college or not |
| 11:06.04 | proudfoot | in the United States, thats pretty obvious |
| 11:06.11 | proudfoot | pretty much all admissions decisions come in by march |
| 11:06.15 | proudfoot | in CZ, apparently different |
| 11:06.19 | antarus | proudfoot: but its not a grey area |
| 11:06.27 | antarus | its a solid deadline |
| 11:06.34 | antarus | unfortunate as it may be |
| 11:06.34 | scorche|sh | gah...stop using the enter key as a substitute for punctuation please... |
| 11:06.37 | proudfoot | but an exception might be made for certain students in certain situations |
| 11:06.42 | proudfoot | sorry |
| 11:07.04 | proudfoot | at least i am not using ; :( |
| 11:07.16 | antarus | scorche|sh: not a shatner fan eh ;p |
| 11:07.17 | DinkyDogg_ | proudfoot, i got my bike back :) |
| 11:07.22 | scorche|sh | is fine with smileys |
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| 11:07.23 | scorche|sh | but not |
| 11:07.25 | scorche|sh | with sentences |
| 11:07.27 | scorche|sh | like this |
| 11:07.41 | proudfoot | fine |
| 11:07.58 | scorche|sh | antarus: actually, i am...shatner never used IRC...at least in any channels i was in |
| 11:10.30 | antarus | scorche|sh: but he plays WoW, the TV says so! |
| 11:11.00 | HanzZ | well... It's not grey... but it's pitty :) |
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| 11:11.29 | scorche|sh | HanzZ: you can still participate in open source! |
| 11:11.36 | HanzZ | I'm participating |
| 11:12.46 | HanzZ | but I was looking forward to this year because of summer of code :) |
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| 11:20.32 | HanzZ | hm... It seems there are not exceptions. So SoC finished for me this year |
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| 11:37.30 | thebolt | b |
| 11:37.34 | scorche|sh | c |
| 11:38.09 | lut4rp | d |
| 11:38.19 | Huy | z |
| 11:38.37 | Huy | anyone like apache's projects |
| 11:38.56 | scorche|sh | nope...i am sure not a single person likes them.. |
| 11:39.31 | Huy | ODE, Derby, Cocoon |
| 11:39.33 | thebolt | i kind-of doubt a single person likes apache at all :P |
| 11:39.40 | scorche|sh | fails to see the point behind "anyone" questions |
| 11:40.12 | Huy | I'm going to do a proposal in ODE, BPEL debugger |
| 11:42.40 | ArthurLiu | Huy, please do |
| 11:42.40 | Huy | but apache seem to be a very popular name, and many students want to participate in it's projects |
| 11:43.02 | ArthurLiu | Huy, then they will have more slots, and you're back to the usual odds |
| 11:43.34 | ojwb | unless they don't have enough mentors |
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| 11:44.43 | thebolt | i'd guess the odds are a bit higher for some of the smaller projects that requires a very specific knowledge or interest |
| 11:45.27 | ojwb | it's probably better not to worry about it, and pick a project which really interests you |
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| 11:45.38 | ojwb | as ArthurLiu says, the odds are pretty even |
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| 11:46.07 | thebolt | yep |
| 11:46.16 | ojwb | and if you're more interested, you'll probably come over better |
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| 11:47.26 | ojwb | similarly, don't make dozens of applications because they'll all just be mediocre |
| 11:48.07 | ArthurLiu | yeah, make them about 3, 4 tops |
| 11:48.42 | scorche|sh | ~odds is Applications are judged based on a number of different criteria relating to the skill and work of the applicant. There are no such thing as odds when skill is involved! ;) |
| 11:48.43 | ibot | ...but odds is already something else... |
| 11:48.48 | scorche|sh | ~odds |
| 11:48.48 | ibot | 3:1 // chosen by fair dice roll. guaranteed to be random |
| 11:48.57 | scorche|sh | ~forget odds |
| 11:48.57 | ibot | i forgot odds, scorche|sh |
| 11:49.00 | scorche|sh | ~odds is Applications are judged based on a number of different criteria relating to the skill and work of the applicant. There are no such thing as odds when skill is involved! ;) |
| 11:49.01 | ibot | scorche|sh: okay |
| 11:49.10 | Huy | last year, I made a proposal for OLPC |
| 11:49.33 | Huy | the wiki editor really liked it, but there is no mentor for the project |
| 11:49.51 | Huy | :( |
| 11:50.26 | scorche|sh | it is typically a good idea to make a few applications so that you are not reliant on only one making it |
| 11:50.26 | Huy | this year, I have the experience, only choose the ideas that has mentors |
| 11:51.15 | ojwb | or that you can find a mentor for... |
| 11:51.41 | ArthurLiu | or find the mentor first and the idea afterwards.. |
| 11:52.12 | ArthurLiu | (for large projects with specialized devs like Debian) |
| 11:52.15 | scorche|sh | or propose an idea to the org and see how they like it/might tweak it |
| 11:52.50 | scorche|sh | there are many different ways to do GSoC ;) |
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| 11:53.57 | thebolt | yea.. in the three years we've been in, we haven't decided "no, lets not take that proposal because we have no mentor" |
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| 11:55.01 | thebolt | if there is a good proposal we make sure the mentor assignment is such that it can be done |
| 11:55.59 | Huy | finding a mentor for your own idea is really hard |
| 11:56.08 | ojwb | has a feeling the student-proposed projects are more likely to be successful, but I don't have a large data sample to back that up |
| 11:56.32 | Huy | especially if your idea spread over too many fields |
| 11:56.35 | thebolt | ojwb: i have evidence pointing both ways.. |
| 11:57.09 | thebolt | ojwb: i think the best is where the initial idea comes from someone with alot of experience in the project, but the entire detail process is cooperative with the student (idea as in a one-line header or so) |
| 11:57.37 | ojwb | i guess it depends a lot on what the idea is too |
| 11:57.57 | ArthurLiu | ojwb, a student capable of independently proposing an idea instead of just looking up a precooked ideas list is certainly more knowledgeable about the project |
| 11:58.23 | antarus | prefers student ideas that are refactored |
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| 11:58.51 | antarus | students typically lack domain experience and often have really broad ideas that are poorly specified or aren't completable in 3 months |
| 11:59.12 | rohananil | ...and add a point to the discussion , gsoc days ,are one of the best productive days of our lives |
| 11:59.20 | rohananil | :) |
| 12:02.52 | antarus | meh |
| 12:03.18 | antarus | the code I write now (after being in the field for 2 years) is probably twice as good as the code I wrote in college *shudders* |
| 12:03.39 | antarus | productivity is hard to measure ;) |
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| 15:36.01 | MatthewWilkes | lh! Good afternoon! |
| 15:36.41 | lh | MatthewWilkes: and to thee |
| 15:36.50 | lh | 195 folks in here, very good to see. :) |
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| 15:38.09 | Ivanovic | hi lh |
| 15:38.21 | lh | Ivanovic: hello dear |
| 15:39.18 | Ivanovic | application period for orgs is to start tomorrow, right? |
| 15:39.26 | Ivanovic | just that i don't mix things up |
| 15:39.35 | lh | correct |
| 15:39.55 | Ivanovic | (i am currently a "little" frustrated by some uni stuff, time for the final reports and presentation of our project group) |
| 15:40.10 | thebolt | hi lh, how do you do? |
| 15:40.35 | lh | thebolt: well thank you you |
| 15:40.51 | lh | Ivanovic: it will go fine. applying is easy enough. :) |
| 15:41.03 | Ivanovic | which is really fun with our <irony>competence team</irony> |
| 15:41.19 | Ivanovic | they are barely able to write a text, let alone a formal report |
| 15:41.41 | thebolt | lh: between beginning of semester activities (third week just beginning) and planning for the next dive-trip (end of march/beginning of april), very good :) |
| 15:41.53 | Ivanovic | and those "heroes of work" now got the task to hold the presentation basically to make up a little for their nonexistant work over the last 12 month |
| 15:41.55 | lh | Ivanovic: that's always the way |
| 15:42.06 | lh | thebolt: awesome. dive trip ++ |
| 15:42.06 | MatthewWilkes | hehe, email on list re case insensitve shell with subject all in caps. Wonderful. |
| 15:42.14 | lh | Ivanovic: again, always the way |
| 15:42.19 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i thought the same thing :) |
| 15:42.30 | thebolt | lh: yep, went on one in beginning of february , another one now and a third one planned for summer :) |
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| 15:42.32 | Ivanovic | i had to explain them some (rather easy) stuff i have done in this time and i had to do so about 5 times, at the end ending at some nursery level |
| 15:42.51 | lh | thebolt: that's fantastic. say hello to the sea turtles for me if you see some. |
| 15:43.01 | lh | Ivanovic: give them chocolate |
| 15:43.07 | Ivanovic | considering that this is a university course and all of us have been there for >=3.5 years, you would expect a little more |
| 15:43.22 | Ivanovic | lh: there is *nothing* from them that does allow any kind of reward |
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| 15:43.36 | Ivanovic | the only thing they are really able to is produce carbon dioxide |
| 15:43.43 | lut4rp | wow. |
| 15:43.46 | lut4rp | that's nice! |
| 15:43.47 | lut4rp | :P |
| 15:43.48 | lh | Ivanovic: some people need to be encouraged first, then work. i don't like that model, but if it gets you what you want (work from them) it is worth a try. |
| 15:43.52 | Ivanovic | and sometimes i got the impression that they are also challenged by this |
| 15:43.55 | lh | i prefer the phrase "waste of human tissue" myself |
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| 15:44.22 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I'm on a mailing list for people who own mailing lists on a particular server, recently there have been some amazing examples of poor subject lines. Such as [listowners] Anyone with magic powers?!!? (They wanted an admin to change an option on their account) and [listowners] WHAT'S GOING ON? (A migration issue had revoked a user's permissions) |
| 15:44.22 | lh | brb |
| 15:44.24 | Ivanovic | lh: you have not read what came from them over the last 12 month |
| 15:44.47 | thebolt | lh: will do, but its not that probable.. this time it will be wreck diving (Philippines) and in summer its to Norway :) |
| 15:44.52 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you should have said, "yes i have magic powers. i can turn subject lines in email into useful descriptions of what is needed" |
| 15:45.05 | lh | Ivanovic: you're right i haven't |
| 15:45.28 | Ivanovic | lh: over the last days i have probably chewed half of my table due to some great answers by them |
| 15:45.31 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Hehe, I sent an email explaining netiquette. Probably pissed off a lot of MP's in the process! |
| 15:45.35 | lh | thebolt: oh wow. will you see whales in norway? i can imagine wreck diving is pretty amazing too. though i guess most old spanish galleons are gone by now. |
| 15:45.42 | lh | Ivanovic: chocolate instead |
| 15:45.47 | lh | MatthewWilkes: oh likely, but good for you |
| 15:45.59 | thebolt | lh: probably not.. the whales in norway tend to be far out to sea and a bit more north |
| 15:46.07 | Ivanovic | you would imagine that a computer science student with >4years studying would know what a hexeditor is, those geniuses don't |
| 15:46.21 | lh | thebolt: it was worth a shot. the idea, never the whales. |
| 15:46.29 | lh | Ivanovic: oh my. i know what that is. |
| 15:46.34 | lh | tsks tsks |
| 15:46.38 | Ivanovic | lh: if i ate i 10g piece chocolate everytime some plain wrong nonsense came from those, i would not weight aprox 400 pound |
| 15:46.58 | lh | Ivanovic: rotflmao. well, you could stand to gain a little weight. |
| 15:47.00 | lh | 1 g pieces? |
| 15:47.18 | Ivanovic | even then i would get close to 350 pounds... |
| 15:47.42 | Ivanovic | trust me, it is frustrating as hell and a whole lot more fun to do <enter anything else you really dislike> |
| 15:48.30 | Ivanovic | but this just shows me how great SoC is, it attracts students *willing* to spend work on the stuff |
| 15:48.39 | lh | Ivanovic: yay! |
| 15:48.46 | lh | brb |
| 15:48.49 | Ivanovic | people who want to do something and do a good job on their stuff |
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| 15:52.13 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 15:52.23 | ajuonline | lh: elo, :) |
| 15:52.34 | lh | ajuonline: hello my dear |
| 15:53.07 | ajuonline | i am gonna kicked a lot in 2.5 hours |
| 15:53.21 | revx | how so? |
| 15:53.23 | ajuonline | its my birthday |
| 15:53.33 | ajuonline | 9th |
| 15:53.45 | thebolt | Ivanovic: i feel your frustration.. doing group work with people who can read an article, hold a 10 minute presentation on it and then when asked questions about it clearly show they haven't understood a thing of it is also not always so fun :) |
| 15:54.07 | Ivanovic | thebolt: yeah |
| 15:54.26 | lh | ajuonline: happy birthday my dear |
| 15:54.27 | lh | :) |
| 15:54.28 | Ivanovic | thebolt: the problem with those i have to work with is that they are probably not even to do the "readong" part |
| 15:54.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:54.51 | Ivanovic | but atm i am looking forward to a great show on tuesday |
| 15:55.05 | ajuonline | lh: thank you :) good luck with the GSoC process kicking off on my birthday ;) |
| 15:55.23 | ajuonline | and to organisations as well |
| 15:55.31 | Ivanovic | there they have to hold a "test presentation" in front of the whole project group (we are 12 students and 2 supervisors, two of the students (the best...) will hold the talk) |
| 15:55.33 | revx | lh: indeed, good luck :) |
| 15:55.49 | Ivanovic | imagines himself shouting *WRONG* everytime they state something incorrect |
| 15:56.02 | lh | ajuonline revx:thanks |
| 15:56.10 | lh | Ivanovic: you can just throw chocolate |
| 15:56.35 | Ivanovic | anyone in here offering me pastilles? |
| 15:56.46 | Ivanovic | will need them not to get a sore throat |
| 15:56.47 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 15:56.52 | revx | lh: how much help do you get to select organizations? |
| 15:57.01 | thebolt | Ivanovic: hehe, last semester i was in a group with two local students.. and while we wrote (as required) everything in english, when it came to the presentation we ran short on time and didn't have time to rehearse it together before the date.. so let me tell you i was a bit surprised when they did their part in chinese.. okay if i cannot understand the other groups, but my own group :/ |
| 15:57.03 | Ivanovic | lh: i would *never* waste good chocoloate on them |
| 15:57.17 | lh | revx: i prep recommendations, we have a big meeting to decide with a bunch of folks from the open source team |
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| 15:57.32 | Ivanovic | thebolt: ugh, sounds challenging |
| 15:57.33 | lh | then final slice and dice is up to me if we have on the fence ones |
| 15:58.22 | thebolt | Ivanovic: well, main problem was that one guy went over his alloted time, alot.. but i couldn't tell if he already said the important parts of his area so i could interrupt him or not :P |
| 15:58.25 | Ivanovic | but we have already considered getting us *lots of* popcorn for the test presentation... |
| 15:58.32 | thebolt | :) |
| 15:58.56 | Ivanovic | yeah, things get "a little" challenging when you don't understand what is being said |
| 15:58.59 | lh | Ivanovic: coat it with cayenne pepper. tasty, also stingy. |
| 15:59.05 | revx | Ivanovic: you can always hand out cigarettes and fruit |
| 15:59.07 | lh | sting-y |
| 15:59.19 | revx | your presantation will be a hit! |
| 15:59.32 | thebolt | our professor in "digital communication" was cool though, his view was "this is a grad course. in undergrad you learned to work in groups, now its time to learn to work by yourself so no group work or group projects, no cooperation on homeworks" :) |
| 15:59.40 | Ivanovic | revx: no, cigarettes are not allowed in our building (university rule, no smoking in any buildings) |
| 15:59.59 | revx | Ivanovic: no smoking indeed, but can you hand them out packaged? |
| 16:00.03 | dberkholz | yay, i finally got input on our org app from someone besides me. |
| 16:00.07 | dberkholz | the wiki was worthwhile |
| 16:00.32 | revx | dberkholz: haha... I kinda wish that wiki had more work done on it :/ |
| 16:00.44 | Ivanovic | revx: we already considered getting really drunken before the final presentation, so that it would not be this hard to survive looking this incompetant in front of the rest of the department... |
| 16:00.54 | revx | dberkholz: I can only help the fdo stuff where I know what's going on... |
| 16:01.23 | revx | Ivanovic: bad idea |
| 16:01.24 | dberkholz | revx: our in this case is gentoo, although i'll be helping w/ x.org this year too |
| 16:01.39 | revx | dberkholz: oh? what kinds of ideas does gentoo have? |
| 16:01.59 | dberkholz | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2009_ideas |
| 16:02.11 | Ivanovic | with gentoo ideas you mean "ideas beside world domination", right? |
| 16:02.12 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 16:02.13 | dberkholz | wow, there's like 4 more since last time i looked |
| 16:03.09 | Ivanovic | lh: i prefer sweet popcorn |
| 16:03.47 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: well, i don't think gcc is quite ready to morph into skynet |
| 16:04.05 | MatthewWilkes | becoming_skynet_cost = 9999999 |
| 16:04.05 | dberkholz | even if it is running on a 20-node distcc cluster |
| 16:04.13 | dberkholz | coding horror ftw |
| 16:04.42 | dberkholz | or wherever it was that i saw that in the last week ... |
| 16:04.48 | revx | dberkholz: that "ebuild generator" sounds scary :/ |
| 16:04.55 | revx | something to be abused :P |
| 16:05.11 | dberkholz | oh, it's actually trivial. i've already written a crappy shell one, and there was a gui one a while back |
| 16:05.23 | revx | I know |
| 16:05.32 | revx | but it seems like somthing that would be abused by the masses |
| 16:05.37 | revx | at least make them read PMS first |
| 16:05.46 | revx | and have to answer a random question about it before it will write a file! |
| 16:05.51 | dberkholz | maybe so but that's not a reason to avoid making life easier for the people who do the majority of the work |
| 16:06.11 | revx | true |
| 16:07.01 | dberkholz | my major concern regarding development-related stuff and the masses is keeping a low barrier to entry to writing code |
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| 16:07.30 | dberkholz | in other words, not doing anything to make getting involved harder. the opposite would be welcome. |
| 16:08.02 | dberkholz | sure, people will write their own hacky ebuilds at first, and that's perfectly fine |
| 16:08.07 | dberkholz | better than writing no ebuilds |
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| 16:30.36 | codestr0m | dberkholz: I've given ebuilds *a lot* of thought.. and eventually will diverge greatly from the current syntax in the future.. from borrowing bash syntax to using a very simplified configuration base, but having most of the same principles |
| 16:31.57 | codestr0m | For organizations to apply does the 9th start at 12:01am PST or which timezone? |
| 16:32.28 | ajuonline | ~timeline |
| 16:32.29 | ibot | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
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| 16:37.15 | dberkholz | codestr0m: gonna define some custom EAPIs? |
| 16:39.21 | codestr0m | dberkholz: heh.. I've got the luxury of greenfield design :) 1) will try to best effort convert my more or less very large overlay 2) completely drop the shell scripting and go to configuration syntax.. (I've some notes, but no proof of concept yet).. (I feel strongly build files should be configuring the build vs scripting) I've also some possibly good ideas how to reduce overlay maintenance, use flags and multiple arch support |
| 16:40.11 | dberkholz | i feel strongly that build files should resemble the way people build packages by hand |
| 16:40.16 | dberkholz | that makes them easy to write |
| 16:41.04 | codestr0m | dberkholz: yes, but what does that have to do with bash syntax vs configuration? those commonly used tools can be easily represented |
| 16:43.10 | codestr0m | look at the majority of what makes any ebuilds /hackish? it's probably some logic in there.. which is ultimately solving what problem? I'm also very much for less sed-foo and more upstream patches or just using a patch which even more verbose is something that can be sent upstream |
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| 16:44.21 | revx | uses his sed-foo on codestr0m's /etc/shadow |
| 16:44.49 | codestr0m | offers revx shell access |
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| 16:47.23 | dberkholz | that would be wonderful in a perfect world |
| 16:47.53 | dberkholz | what we have to deal with is less perfect. crap build systems that are unfixable in less than weeks, hostile upstreams who hate our obviously correct patches, etc |
| 16:48.58 | dberkholz | i have ebuilds that are 500+ lines of crap that's just getting a package to build and install somewhat normally |
| 16:49.00 | codestr0m | dberkholz: do you think that after five years I don't know this? I didn't say take away the power of the build.. I think that some of these known evils can be abstracted behind a clean interface such as an eclass does in many cases |
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| 16:49.42 | codestr0m | ebuilds should work against clean interfaces which are stable and those behind that may change |
| 16:51.32 | codestr0m | maybe it does require importing omg-super-evil-elcass.. inheritance or something else.. just on the front-end where most of the maintenance is it's less likely to be hackish.. then you break things into two classes.. people who maintain ebuilds and people who maintain eclasses.. which could be the same, but still may be different.. the skills required on the front-end would be significantly lowered |
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| 17:01.06 | revx | codestr0m: then check out exherbo's EAPI |
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| 18:13.55 | codestr0m | revx: no thanks I know all about /you guys/ |
| 18:14.18 | revx | codestr0m: "you guys?" |
| 18:14.31 | revx | I'm not affilated with exherbo :) |
| 18:14.41 | revx | I just like using their EAPI, it happens to work and make sense |
| 18:14.55 | revx | although they take a completly different approach to dberkholz when it comes to openness |
| 18:15.24 | revx | they prefer making it harder for people to get in and don't want a large pool of developers |
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| 18:32.02 | slouken | waves |
| 18:32.06 | Catfish_Man | hi slouken |
| 18:32.17 | slouken | Hey guys, good luck with the applications tomorrow! :) |
| 18:32.25 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: You're missing a i= on that mode spec |
| 18:32.25 | bobbens | slouken: SDL running again? |
| 18:32.32 | slouken | LH & friends, do you guys need any last minute feedback on melange or the user guide? |
| 18:32.34 | Catfish_Man | nng |
| 18:32.47 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: /mode #gsoc +b *!i=7c7ec905@gateway/* |
| 18:32.51 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
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| 18:33.14 | slouken | bobbens, yep, today I'm going to be working out our ideas. |
| 18:33.27 | sid0 | hi Catfish_Man |
| 18:33.29 | bobbens | slouken: ok cool, expect my application, I already have some ideas in mind |
| 18:33.32 | Catfish_Man | hi sid0 |
| 18:33.38 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: It's Freenode's gatway mapping system that's odd, imho |
| 18:33.42 | MatthewWilkes | gatway* |
| 18:33.44 | MatthewWilkes | GRR |
| 18:33.47 | MatthewWilkes | gateway* |
| 18:33.47 | slouken | Great. :) |
| 18:34.06 | Catfish_Man | MatthewWilkes: it is, but irc in general is just bad at identifying people. The *serv solution is a total hack |
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| 18:34.34 | slouken | Leslie and friends, feel free to whisper to me if you want me to look at anything specific with melange and/or documentation |
| 18:34.51 | kendrick | hey sam |
| 18:34.56 | slouken | Hey Bill. :) |
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| 18:35.27 | slouken | Hey Dragonking |
| 18:35.40 | Dragonking | hello |
| 18:36.20 | kendrick | my son needs his own laptop :) |
| 18:39.06 | lh | slouken: thanks, but not at the moment |
| 18:39.07 | lh | :) |
| 18:39.35 | lh | slouken: feel free to take a look. there's some funkage in the user guide but that's a KI with the TinyMCE editor, working on resolution |
| 18:40.21 | Lennie | you should be able to test some new functionality starting tomorrow :) |
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| 18:41.51 | slouken | lh, okay I'll take a look at the user guide and see if anything jumps out at me |
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| 18:42.01 | summatusmentis | hi lh |
| 18:42.09 | lh | slouken: thanks |
| 18:42.10 | lh | summatusmentis: hi |
| 18:42.13 | lh | goes to get lunch |
| 18:44.11 | revx | does anybody know the chinese word for nap? |
| 18:44.32 | slouken | lh, the quickstart looks really good, from the perspective of someone familiar with the process. |
| 18:44.45 | lh | slouken: good to hear |
| 18:44.50 | lh | actually goes to get lunch now |
| 18:45.43 | slouken | lh, and the rest of the documentation seems very clear. kudos! :) |
| 18:46.22 | lh | slouken: thanks, labor of love. i really really should go get lunch. |
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| 18:50.03 | MatthewWilkes | revx: I think you win the most random question here ever |
| 18:50.52 | kendrick | slouken: i'm listening ot the interview of myself on FLOSS weekly. i just mentioned you ;) |
| 18:51.13 | kendrick | ~9m 30s into it :) |
| 18:52.06 | slouken | kendrick, Cool! |
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| 18:54.55 | cjhopman | @timeline |
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| 18:55.00 | cjhopman | ` |
| 18:55.05 | cjhopman | ~timeline |
| 18:55.06 | ibot | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
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| 18:58.21 | revx | MatthewWilkes: nice... |
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| 19:16.22 | kendrick | now mentioning GSOC (35min in) |
| 19:18.33 | ajuonline | kendrick: ? |
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| 19:40.13 | kendrick | ajuonline: ? |
| 19:40.45 | ajuonline | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.03 | kendrick | oh, the interview I did on FLOSS Weekly ( http://www.twit.tv/floss ) |
| 19:41.23 | ajuonline | alright :) |
| 19:41.29 | kendrick | i mentioned slouken's libSDL project at about 9:30 and Tux Paint's GSOC 2008 participation around 35:00 |
| 19:41.32 | kendrick | sorry. |
| 19:41.37 | kendrick | baby preventing me from using laptop :) |
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| 21:43.51 | dberkholz | revx: i prefer having high standards for developers, but i want a larger pool of potential contributors. if 1% of people are good enough, i want that 1% to translate into larger absolute numbers. that's what a lower barrier to entry does |
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| 23:18.33 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Mentoring Organizations Can Apply As of 19:00 UTC on 9 March - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 23:18.42 | lh | nearly there folks. :) |
| 23:18.52 | russellb | w00t. |
| 23:19.10 | danderson | hands out party hats |
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| 23:20.17 | lh | party hats tomorrow. in the meantime all hail solydzajs, SRabbelier and Lennie for all their hard work to make gsoc 2009 possible. also mithro and danderson and jeffbailey and tlarsen and a host of other folks in our legal, finance etc. departments. |
| 23:20.31 | lh | stows crates o' champagne behind the free couch |
| 23:20.46 | SRabbelier | bows |
| 23:20.47 | danderson | deserves no credit, gives his to the Melange devs |
| 23:20.52 | SRabbelier | lh: you are too kind |
| 23:20.59 | lh | SRabbelier: nope. |
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| 23:21.24 | lh | danderson: so sayeth he who was fixing the release script today. |
| 23:21.52 | danderson | lh: a pebble compared to the edifice constructed next door, seriously |
| 23:22.20 | danderson | also, random plug attack! |
| 23:22.28 | danderson | Split Infinity Radio is awesome: http://siradio.fm/ |
| 23:22.31 | SRabbelier | danderson: repent sinner, and contribute more! :D |
| 23:22.52 | danderson | SRabbelier: you should see this google-soc release script I'm coming up with. It has colors and everything! |
| 23:23.05 | danderson | wait, I'm being told by our studio crew that this doesn't qualify as useful :) |
| 23:23.10 | SRabbelier | danderson: awesome! does it make chocolate milk too? |
| 23:23.44 | danderson | SRabbelier: no, but it does allow to cut a release without checking out 3Gb worth of useless files first |
| 23:24.12 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Remember that netiquette email I mentioned earlier? Just got a phonecall from the server admin (who I've never met) thanking me, and admitting he is close to shutting down the list due to the poor quality of communication on it |
| 23:24.52 | SRabbelier | danderson: awesome 0.o, how does it do that? |
| 23:25.25 | danderson | SRabbelier: uses the depth setting features of svn to only check out the release branch being worked on |
| 23:25.26 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: that bad? |
| 23:25.30 | danderson | and not all branches/tags in history |
| 23:25.44 | SRabbelier | danderson: svn 1.4 or 1.5? |
| 23:25.59 | danderson | SRabbelier: good question. Locally I have 1.5, but it may have been release in 1.4 |
| 23:26.20 | danderson | SRabbelier: if you have 1.4, does `svn help update` list a --set-depth option? |
| 23:26.27 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I'm thinking awesome, actually |
| 23:26.40 | MatthewWilkes | I was expecting pissy people moaning about it |
| 23:26.48 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: heheh, :) |
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| 23:33.31 | hexface | hi all |
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| 23:35.59 | summatusmentis | hi hexface |
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| 23:39.00 | lh | danderson: fine fine, be humble |
| 23:39.04 | lh | MatthewWilkes: awesome! |
| 23:39.38 | danderson | lh: I'm being realistic. I'll be happy to take all the credit when I deserve some :P |
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| 23:42.38 | antarus | braaains |
| 23:42.49 | lh | danderson: fine fine fine |
| 23:42.53 | antarus | code.google.com claims melange is like 150,000 lines of code |
| 23:42.55 | antarus | that seems large |
| 23:43.04 | antarus | I guess it includes the wiki stuff? |
| 23:43.06 | danderson | antarus: that includes a lot of third party code |
| 23:43.18 | SRabbelier | antarus: we've got all of appengine and whatnot in thirdparty |
| 23:43.41 | SRabbelier | danderson: which also explains why ohloh says we're so expensive :P |
| 23:46.41 | summatusmentis | danderson: what'd you do that requires our undying support? |
| 23:47.02 | danderson | summatusmentis: eh? |
| 23:47.05 | summatusmentis | lh says "praise", I say "how much" |
| 23:47.26 | summatusmentis | what do you deserve credit for? |
| 23:47.35 | lh | summatusmentis: he was saying he didn't. :) |
| 23:47.39 | danderson | read the rest, I haven't done much. I gave my credit to the others :) |
| 23:47.48 | summatusmentis | right, or 'not deserve credit for' |
| 23:47.57 | danderson | parse error |
| 23:47.58 | danderson | what? |
| 23:48.06 | summatusmentis | ignore me, I'm lost |
| 23:48.24 | summatusmentis | I'm wandering alone in this desloate place they call 'internet' |
| 23:48.25 | summatusmentis | >_ |
| 23:48.29 | summatusmentis | >_>** |
| 23:50.34 | Landon | I dislike this internet thing :p |
| 23:50.40 | Landon | lets my boss bug me too easily , heh |
| 23:51.08 | Landon | is off to spend a perfectly good sunny day setting up LDAP :) |