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| 00:10.30 | solydzajs | danderson: how is it going with release script ? |
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| 00:15.09 | danderson | solydzajs: it can import a new melange release into the google repo, and soon it'll also be able to cherry-pick changes out of the melange trunk |
| 00:15.16 | danderson | (with proper updating of the patch version etc) |
| 00:15.48 | solydzajs | danderson: ok I will be doing release on /p/soc in 45 minutes |
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| 00:17.54 | danderson | solydzajs: so you're saying I have 45min to have something usable? :D |
| 00:18.11 | solydzajs | danderson: probably a little more :-) I need to test it too :-) |
| 00:19.30 | danderson | solydzajs: -> #melange |
| 00:20.23 | solydzajs | oh wrong channel |
| 00:20.24 | solydzajs | :-) |
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| 00:33.04 | mib_melvt2g1 | http://ihateyoujessica.com/?id=q2dfvhtpd5bgnivlo0acfme6r32pwz |
| 00:33.08 | mib_melvt2g1 | v |
| 00:33.10 | mib_melvt2g1 | http://ihateyoujessica.com/?id=q2dfvhtpd5bgnivlo0acfme6r32pwz |
| 00:33.18 | mib_melvt2g1 | http://ihateyoujessica.com/?id=q2dfvhtpd5bgnivlo0acfme6r32pwz |
| 00:33.20 | mib_melvt2g1 | http://ihateyoujessica.com/?id=q2dfvhtpd5bgnivlo0acfme6r32pwz |
| 00:33.24 | mib_melvt2g1 | http://ihateyoujessica.com/?id=q2dfvhtpd5bgnivlo0acfme6r32pwz |
| 00:36.48 | r0bby | ugh |
| 00:36.51 | r0bby | I hate morons |
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| 00:40.12 | mlankhorst | mm |
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| 00:40.44 | Landon | haha |
| 00:40.48 | Landon | I think we got that one last year too |
| 00:41.00 | mlankhorst | the announcement? |
| 00:41.08 | Landon | the ihatejessica site |
| 00:41.13 | danderson | mlankhorst: spammer before you joined |
| 00:41.26 | mlankhorst | ah |
| 00:41.31 | danderson | sad if only because there are so much more efficient ways of getting free porn |
| 00:42.03 | Landon | note to self: pizza with hot wing sauce sounds super delicious, but I'm feeling the burn already and I just finished it :( |
| 00:42.04 | mlankhorst | http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/464109/Plato - it is amazing how such a known institute can screw up design layout that badly.. |
| 00:42.15 | mlankhorst | frames O_O |
| 00:42.44 | Landon | why does an encyclipedia have games!? |
| 00:43.09 | Landon | mlankhorst: I've seen worse tragedies done in the name of usefulness |
| 00:43.36 | mlankhorst | yeah, but any site has a better layout than that |
| 00:44.27 | mlankhorst | frames is so 1990's |
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| 00:48.09 | mlankhorst | lh: ping? |
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| 01:10.19 | lh | mlankhorst: pong |
| 01:11.59 | r0bby | oh my, lh :)))) |
| 01:12.10 | summatusmentis | hello all |
| 01:13.23 | Landon | wonders who writes all the software for illegal bombs in the movies :P |
| 01:13.33 | lh | r0bby: o hai! |
| 01:13.35 | lh | summatusmentis: hello |
| 01:13.48 | Landon | if I were to do it, it'd be something simple! like ./bomb --arm && ./bomb --detonate |
| 01:13.52 | summatusmentis | howsit lh? |
| 01:13.53 | r0bby | :) |
| 01:13.53 | lh | Landon: lol |
| 01:13.56 | lh | summatusmentis: very well thanks |
| 01:14.03 | lh | waiting for next release of melange |
| 01:14.15 | r0bby | Landon |
| 01:14.23 | summatusmentis | oh, I suppose it needs to be up and usable pretty soon huh? |
| 01:14.23 | theoffset | Landon, he he he, I don't know but they seem to love huge counters with big bright screens and beeping sounds |
| 01:14.26 | r0bby | ./bomb --arm --detonate |
| 01:14.35 | r0bby | or better yet |
| 01:14.52 | r0bby | ./bomb --a --d |
| 01:14.54 | Landon | theoffset: GUIs with wrieframes of bombs especially |
| 01:15.02 | Landon | r0bby: or better yet, since arming is a prereq for detonating |
| 01:15.03 | r0bby | :) |
| 01:15.07 | Landon | ./bomb --d |
| 01:15.09 | thebolt | theoffset: don't you know all bombs have those.. i promise :-) |
| 01:15.11 | Landon | ./bomb -d |
| 01:15.11 | r0bby | true :) |
| 01:15.26 | r0bby | ./bomb -d --target=Landon |
| 01:15.27 | Landon | thebolt: all bombs are spheres with fuses sticking out too! |
| 01:15.28 | Landon | :P |
| 01:15.38 | r0bby | ducks |
| 01:15.41 | Landon | Wile E. Coyote taught me that! |
| 01:15.42 | theoffset | thebolt, really? mine doesn't (mua ha ha ha ha) |
| 01:15.53 | r0bby | Landon: yeh |
| 01:16.04 | thebolt | Landon: yea, and you always can tell which wire to cut to defuse it by the colour of the wire.. |
| 01:16.12 | Landon | hehe |
| 01:16.18 | thebolt | its not like a real bomb maker could use same colour all over :) |
| 01:16.19 | theoffset | it just HAS to be red |
| 01:16.24 | Landon | even though the sphere and colored wires are mutually exclusive, they're both true |
| 01:16.24 | Landon | :P |
| 01:17.10 | theoffset | sends bomb through the tubes to landon |
| 01:17.19 | Landon | a pipe bomb |
| 01:17.20 | Landon | ? |
| 01:17.22 | Landon | heh |
| 01:17.29 | lh | someone set us up the bomb? wha? |
| 01:17.41 | r0bby | *IS* the bomb |
| 01:17.47 | r0bby | I'm just that awesome\ |
| 01:18.01 | lh | serves cookies, tea, coffee, brownies, scones and other assorted treats |
| 01:18.11 | lh | hangs out on free couch waiting for latest melange release, blogs |
| 01:20.27 | summatusmentis | you're waiting on blogs? |
| 01:20.39 | summatusmentis | or a blogging feature from latest melange release? |
| 01:21.34 | theoffset | or maybe he's waiting until someone blogs on the latest blogging feature from the latest melange release? |
| 01:21.53 | summatusmentis | also a possibility, that seems like too many layers |
| 01:22.16 | r0bby | theoffset: *SHE* |
| 01:22.29 | summatusmentis | oh, yes, lh is queen |
| 01:22.35 | summatusmentis | or, whatever :) |
| 01:22.37 | theoffset | ohhh... ooops. Sorry about that. |
| 01:25.28 | r0bby | lh is the queen of #gsoc |
| 01:25.34 | r0bby | just don't drive her nuts |
| 01:25.38 | r0bby | it's my job |
| 01:26.20 | summatusmentis | and he's good at it, I don't know if I've seen anyone better at it |
| 01:26.34 | summatusmentis | feel free to try, but r0bby might beat you up |
| 01:27.17 | r0bby | gets the baseball bat out |
| 01:29.18 | theoffset | seeing the state of the current situation, I've decided under no pressure whatsoever and in complete control of my persona to give up any rights to drive lh crazy, mad or anything, and concede that r0bby is the absolute master of the universe |
| 01:29.40 | theoffset | (will you let me go now?) |
| 01:31.15 | summatusmentis | don't tell him he's the master of the universe |
| 01:31.26 | summatusmentis | his head will fill the channel, and we'll all be forced elsewhere >_> |
| 01:31.39 | theoffset | but he has a baseball bat! |
| 01:32.11 | r0bby | It's a nerf(r) bat :) |
| 01:32.14 | r0bby | it won't hurt |
| 01:32.18 | summatusmentis | meh, baseball bat schmaseball bat |
| 01:32.23 | r0bby | They wont let me have a real one |
| 01:32.27 | Landon | kicks LDAP in the groin |
| 01:32.31 | Ori_B | yawns. |
| 01:32.33 | Landon | why does it only work on test installations! heh |
| 01:32.33 | r0bby | something about me being slightly crazy :P |
| 01:32.45 | lh | prefers the title "head dryad" |
| 01:32.56 | lh | summatusmentis: i posted a blog post http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/paying-it-forward.html |
| 01:33.00 | r0bby | lh: queen of all that is google :) |
| 01:33.29 | lh | theoffset: you're going to get in trouble now. don't let r0bby think he's in charge. we may need to sedate him. |
| 01:33.30 | lh | ducks |
| 01:33.50 | lh | r0bby: no way. that's too much responsiblity for me. |
| 01:34.05 | r0bby | giggles |
| 01:34.13 | r0bby | I've been a good boy |
| 01:34.40 | lh | r0bby: sure you have. and i'm sitting in fiji drinkin' mai tais. we can both wish. |
| 01:34.57 | summatusmentis | he didn't hit anyone, that's a plus |
| 01:35.15 | r0bby | I am good, innocent, pure and stuff |
| 01:35.25 | r0bby | bops summatusmentis |
| 01:35.31 | Ori_B | hey, anyone here planning on going to Pycon? |
| 01:35.34 | summatusmentis | it's the 'stuff' that negates anything before it |
| 01:35.35 | r0bby | spoke to soon |
| 01:35.42 | r0bby | too* |
| 01:35.53 | summatusmentis | lh: I always forget you blog, I need to start reading that more |
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| 01:51.17 | r0bby | sighs |
| 01:51.41 | revx | cries |
| 01:52.28 | antarus | poops |
| 01:52.55 | Landon | bangs |
| 01:53.17 | lh | goes to get dinner |
| 01:53.32 | LawnGnome | waits for his Monday morning coffee to kick in. |
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| 01:55.22 | antarus | dst is totally not cool |
| 01:55.32 | scorche | hahaha....suckers |
| 01:55.36 | antarus | now its 7 and I haven't eaten dinner |
| 01:55.43 | antarus | almost too late to eat |
| 01:55.44 | scorche | sits comfortable in AZ |
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| 01:55.55 | Landon | antarus: dang, tomorrow morning will be hell |
| 01:56.23 | summatusmentis | scorche: does AZ not do dst? |
| 01:56.31 | scorche | nope |
| 01:56.49 | summatusmentis | dang |
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| 02:01.03 | summatusmentis | this song keeps making pinging noises, and I think it's my computer trying to get my attention |
| 02:01.06 | summatusmentis | >:( |
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| 02:03.00 | r0bby | *BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP* |
| 02:03.16 | r0bby | I love you guys :) |
| 02:04.25 | summatusmentis | r0bby: you're gonna make the free couch stink if you keep that up |
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| 02:05.31 | r0bby | i swear if this is a spambot i'm gonna scream |
| 02:08.08 | Gurpartap | who, mibbit? |
| 02:08.34 | r0bby | we had a spammer using mibbit |
| 02:09.07 | danderson | mib_h8b8rrrb: are you a spammer? |
| 02:09.19 | Landon | HAH trippy |
| 02:09.25 | Landon | just saw the ending of Next |
| 02:09.26 | danderson | I'm *watching* you. |
| 02:11.10 | danderson | well, no spam yet. I guess I'll go do something else. |
| 02:13.28 | theoffset | just give him some time... he's waiting for us to lower our guard and then... SPAM! |
| 02:13.38 | summatusmentis | so just spend 20mins discussing gender roles in television with my girlfriend |
| 02:14.08 | r0bby | summatusmentis: women belong in the kitchen *duck* |
| 02:14.10 | r0bby | runs |
| 02:14.11 | summatusmentis | she's awesome |
| 02:14.17 | r0bby | j/k |
| 02:14.19 | r0bby | seriously |
| 02:14.20 | Landon | summary of gender roles on the internet: there are no women on the internet! |
| 02:14.26 | summatusmentis | r0bby: she'd kick your butt :-P |
| 02:14.33 | r0bby | pfft |
| 02:14.40 | r0bby | tell her to make me some blueberry pancakes |
| 02:14.50 | danderson | Landon: the old joke goes: "The Internet, the place where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents." |
| 02:14.52 | r0bby | has a flashback of the talking dog in roadtrip |
| 02:14.55 | Landon | heh |
| 02:15.16 | r0bby | so dmitri is really an FBI agent |
| 02:15.18 | r0bby | makes sense |
| 02:15.19 | Landon | r0bby: funny actually.. since I came from a family where only my dad cooked anything more than something simple |
| 02:15.30 | Landon | I always thought it was a little odd my grandma cooked all the time |
| 02:15.35 | summatusmentis | my dad is the primary cook in my parents house too |
| 02:15.43 | r0bby | can't cook |
| 02:15.53 | Landon | can if you leave him alone and don't watch |
| 02:15.57 | summatusmentis | me neither |
| 02:16.15 | Landon | WOOT! LDAP server is set up |
| 02:16.17 | Landon | that sucked |
| 02:16.41 | summatusmentis | I should setup OpenAFS/firewall on my vps |
| 02:16.56 | Landon | I wonder if there are any good books for LDAP |
| 02:17.01 | Landon | that would help me understand it |
| 02:17.03 | Landon | I like the concept |
| 02:17.17 | Landon | but just following quickstart guides does nothing (not that I have the time to read a book about it either :( ) |
| 02:17.18 | r0bby | I can't touch raw poultry |
| 02:17.31 | r0bby | nor can he cook meat |
| 02:17.44 | r0bby | I once almost burned water as well. |
| 02:18.03 | Landon | gj |
| 02:18.09 | summatusmentis | r0bby: you know how to fix that issue right? cut the poultry and meat out of your diet |
| 02:18.21 | r0bby | pfft |
| 02:18.24 | Landon | summatusmentis: ... :P /me remembers this |
| 02:18.28 | r0bby | Somebody else cooks |
| 02:18.31 | summatusmentis | Landon: :-D |
| 02:18.51 | summatusmentis | I mean, I'm no evangelist |
| 02:19.02 | summatusmentis | but seriously, only way to live :-P |
| 02:19.20 | Landon | my meal yesterday had no meat :( |
| 02:19.23 | r0bby | jesus i should be studying |
| 02:19.29 | Landon | didn't feel like a true meal |
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| 02:19.33 | summatusmentis | Landon: and it was delicious right? |
| 02:19.59 | Landon | hardly :P |
| 02:20.08 | summatusmentis | my meals for the last... 6.5 years haven't had meaat in them |
| 02:20.10 | summatusmentis | meat* |
| 02:20.11 | Landon | I'm not getting the greek salad wrap thingy again |
| 02:20.12 | Landon | >.o |
| 02:20.18 | Landon | too many different flavors |
| 02:20.26 | Landon | I like the flavors to be subtle |
| 02:20.35 | Landon | and marinated into my meat |
| 02:20.36 | Landon | :P |
| 02:20.42 | summatusmentis | depends on the flavors for me |
| 02:20.50 | summatusmentis | I do like subtle flavor a lot |
| 02:21.42 | Landon | perhaps I should look up the logs |
| 02:21.47 | Landon | and short circuit this discussion |
| 02:21.54 | Landon | :P |
| 02:22.08 | summatusmentis | heh, I'll stop |
| 02:22.55 | summatusmentis | what's LDAP for? how many people have accounts? |
| 02:23.23 | Landon | my boss has a home network |
| 02:23.28 | Landon | of like ... half dozen to a dozen computers |
| 02:23.41 | Landon | and wants to propagate accounts he gives students/etc across them all |
| 02:24.13 | summatusmentis | oh, intriguing |
| 02:24.28 | Landon | I think I'm getting the grasp of it |
| 02:24.30 | Landon | but its killing me |
| 02:24.38 | Landon | I wish there was a better solution for *just* single user signons |
| 02:24.46 | summatusmentis | it's a lot like active directory right? |
| 02:24.46 | Landon | instead of this "make your own rules" thing :P |
| 02:24.54 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 02:24.56 | lifeeth | Landon, LDAP is the way to go :) |
| 02:24.58 | Landon | iirc AD is a crippled version of it? |
| 02:25.04 | Landon | I might have gotten it wrong though |
| 02:25.10 | Landon | didn't spend too long researching systems like this |
| 02:25.19 | lifeeth | or mount the home dirs on NFS and sync the passwd files :) |
| 02:25.52 | summatusmentis | I've contemplated putting my home dir in OpenAFS |
| 02:26.02 | summatusmentis | but laptop |
| 02:26.18 | Landon | lifeeth: but then I'd have to sync group files |
| 02:26.22 | Landon | and all that |
| 02:26.30 | Landon | and make sure to not overlap users and whatnot |
| 02:26.40 | lifeeth | Yeah :) |
| 02:26.44 | Landon | I don't have a solution for home directories yet |
| 02:26.51 | Landon | I hope my boss is content with storing them on each machine |
| 02:26.52 | lifeeth | Landon, NFS :) |
| 02:26.56 | Landon | SHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 02:27.04 | Landon | ;) |
| 02:27.11 | Landon | is contemplating |
| 02:27.23 | Landon | Bugs Bunny RoadRunner movie, Ratatouille, or 21 |
| 02:27.24 | lifeeth | :) |
| 02:27.28 | lifeeth | 21 |
| 02:27.39 | summatusmentis | in fulfilling my job as evangelist, s/NFS/OpenAFS/ |
| 02:27.44 | summatusmentis | also, 21 |
| 02:29.55 | ojwb | is that a prequel to 24? |
| 02:30.01 | Landon | oh, or Dr. Strangelove! |
| 02:30.13 | Landon | does the strange stuff |
| 02:30.14 | lh | returns |
| 02:30.27 | summatusmentis | ohai Landon |
| 02:30.32 | summatusmentis | and lh |
| 02:30.37 | summatusmentis | - Landon |
| 02:30.55 | Landon | ohi summatusmentis |
| 02:30.57 | summatusmentis | = ohai lh |
| 02:31.01 | summatusmentis | >_> |
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| 02:36.48 | scorche | hops onto the free couch |
| 02:37.18 | lh | makes room for scorche |
| 02:37.24 | lh | summatusmentis: greets. |
| 02:37.46 | summatusmentis | I'm gonna be up so late tonight :( |
| 02:38.20 | summatusmentis | whole dst + sleeping in on weekend thing |
| 02:49.01 | ChipX86 | h |
| 02:49.06 | ChipX86 | oops |
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| 02:50.33 | theoffset | hoops? |
| 02:50.47 | ChipX86 | yes, hoops |
| 02:50.49 | antarus | hwops? |
| 02:51.05 | ChipX86 | just, you know, getting a conversation started... |
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| 02:55.28 | r0bby | ChipX86: o/ :) |
| 02:55.37 | ChipX86 | hey r0bby :) |
| 02:55.39 | r0bby | i feel like crap |
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| 03:41.50 | Landon | kill the wabbit |
| 03:41.54 | Landon | kill the wabbbbbbbbbbiiiiiiiit |
| 03:42.03 | Landon | with my magic spear and helmet! |
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| 04:26.43 | lh | latest release of melange pushed to socghop.appspot.com |
| 04:26.59 | lh | anyone who wants to go and poke the documentation for busted links, bad grammar, etc., please do. |
| 04:27.14 | lh | there's a formatting error with our TinyMCE editor so some funky spacing can't be fixed atm |
| 04:28.27 | ojwb | this sounds a bit odd: "Google is not affiliated with the contents of Google Open Source Programs or its owners" |
| 04:28.34 | ojwb | guess it's a boilerplate message |
| 04:28.35 | Ori_B | probably would move the "About GSOC" to the top of the page |
| 04:28.42 | lh | ojwb: known issue |
| 04:28.47 | ojwb | ah, cool |
| 04:28.48 | lh | it is in process of being fixed |
| 04:29.14 | lh | Ori_B: considered that but then i am afraid the instructions will get lost. especially the site maintenance notice. |
| 04:29.23 | lh | will think on that for tomorrow morning, you raise an excellent point |
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| 04:29.42 | Ori_B | well, it's just a minor nitpick. |
| 04:30.04 | lh | much appreciated. minor nitpicks ++ |
| 04:30.12 | lh | ojwb: thanks. you too Ori_B |
| 04:30.38 | ojwb | that's OK, glad to be able to help |
| 04:31.42 | lifeeth|Sleep | lh, http://tinyurl.com/agnk3a has the identi.ca link wrong |
| 04:32.52 | Ori_B | the "Google Open Source Programs" at the top-left doesn't look like a link, either. |
| 04:33.15 | ojwb | is there meant to be an asterisk just above that? |
| 04:33.22 | ojwb | bottom left of the logo? |
| 04:34.02 | lh | lifeeth|Sleep: fixing thanks |
| 04:34.08 | Ori_B | looks good though :) |
| 04:34.08 | lh | ojwb: no looking |
| 04:34.15 | theoffset | ojwb, it's a TODO (hover it) |
| 04:34.25 | ojwb | aha |
| 04:34.43 | theoffset | some developer must have forgotten to remove it :P |
| 04:34.47 | ojwb | did try, but clearly didn't put it right over it |
| 04:35.02 | ojwb | the cursor I mean - it's quite a small target |
| 04:35.12 | Ori_B | should be heading to bed. |
| 04:35.16 | lh | lifeeth|Sleep: fixed please check |
| 04:35.26 | theoffset | ahhh it says: "TODO: logo update in site sponsor interface" |
| 04:35.41 | lh | theoffset: just file a bug http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues |
| 04:37.07 | lh | bah tinymce misbehaving |
| 04:37.11 | lh | edits in html mode |
| 04:39.11 | ajaksu_away | thinks wikicode / reST / markdown would make a lot more sense |
| 04:39.51 | antarus | we could argue for decades about what random data entry thing to use |
| 04:40.27 | lh | hugs antarus |
| 04:40.31 | lifeeth|Sleep | lh, It is fixed |
| 04:42.31 | lh | lifeeth|Sleep: great |
| 04:43.12 | lh | decides it's time to do not much for a bit |
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| 06:02.31 | mlankhorst | :o |
| 06:03.27 | mlankhorst | lh_! |
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| 06:07.15 | mlankhorst | or is that one lh |
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| 06:13.56 | lh | mlankhorst: hello |
| 06:14.16 | mlankhorst | bit confusing all those lh collissions |
| 06:14.32 | lh | client i'm using is clunky |
| 06:14.41 | lh | i'm headed to bed |
| 06:14.42 | lh | night |
| 06:14.49 | mlankhorst | g'night :) |
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| 06:15.03 | lh_zzz | morning :) |
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| 07:24.16 | gaowei | hi everyone |
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| 07:32.29 | geoaxis | hi someone >> gaowei |
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| 07:34.14 | gaowei | hi sid0 |
| 07:35.13 | gaowei | Which use Linux distribution? |
| 07:35.44 | sid0 | is that directed to me? |
| 07:36.35 | mlankhorst | 08:36 CTCP VERSION reply from sid0: xchat 2.8.6-1 Windows Vista [Intel /1.99GHz] |
| 07:36.37 | mlankhorst | rofl |
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| 07:37.07 | sid0 | :) |
| 07:37.39 | sid0 | yeah, that's why I asked :) |
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| 07:42.37 | gaowei | Do you also apply to GSOC? |
| 07:42.51 | kblin | hey mlankhorst |
| 07:42.55 | sid0 | yes, I was a student last year |
| 07:43.35 | mlankhorst | morning |
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| 07:49.20 | gaowei | Hi mlankhorst,where are you from? I am Chinese a students.Now is afternoon! |
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| 07:50.18 | mlankhorst | western europe |
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| 11:40.38 | Shapeshifter | So, just talking in General: A friend in a higher semester (who is the president of the local CS studen organisation) told me I should participate in our unis GSoC this year (they will certainly be accepted). Problem is that I'm not sure if I can even manage to fulfill my duties. I'm in the second semester, I can program in Java and Python (and the project is in Java) and I know my way around but I have no particular plan on how to accomplish ... |
| 11:40.44 | Shapeshifter | ... what is asked in the project (connecting an eConference platform like dimdim or wimba to the unis eLearning framework). Now... as I said I'm just chatting, asking in general, as certainly the mentoring organisations difer in their structure, but what would you say, would I stand a chance? I mean I can program stuff but I'm very unexperienced on a larger scale and it would be kind of bad if I'd be accepted and then fail. |
| 11:43.33 | danderson | well, first of all, it's a little pretentious for your CS org to be convinced that they'll be accepted. Org applications haven't even started yet, let alone accepting them :) |
| 11:44.18 | danderson | second, as far as skill is concerned, if you can learn, I believe that a combination of the mentoring, plus hard work, should get you to where you want to be. |
| 11:44.35 | Shapeshifter | danderson: they've been accepted all the previous years and it's a huge project, wide spread accross several unis in switzerland and germany. They're also mentoring for at least 7 students. I guess they're gonna be accepted as a mentoring organisation ;) |
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| 11:45.00 | danderson | Shapeshifter: what org is this? Is it the project from eth? |
| 11:45.01 | ojwb | nothing is certain thoug |
| 11:45.06 | ojwb | h |
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| 11:45.17 | Shapeshifter | http://www.olat.org/website/en/html/index.html |
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| 11:45.34 | spectre | mornin' all |
| 11:45.36 | danderson | right, yeah, olat, that's the one. |
| 11:46.04 | danderson | well, I'd say there's a good chance, but they shouldn't be promising slots to students until they're actually accepted :) |
| 11:46.27 | ojwb | similarly, they shouldn't assume how many slots they would get |
| 11:46.40 | danderson | but the answer to your actual question is above |
| 11:47.03 | danderson | are you an efficient learner in an environmennt that combines self-teaching and some mentoring? |
| 11:47.14 | danderson | if so, it may work out for you. |
| 11:47.22 | ArthurLiu | hi, I seem to remember there was a discussion *somewhere* about website redesign proposals being considered "documentation" and thus not allowed, where's the final word about that ? |
| 11:48.01 | ArthurLiu | I found http://code.google.com/soc/2006/irssi/appinfo.html?csaid=48F9213F96B80909 but that was back in 2006 |
| 11:49.20 | Shapeshifter | Well I'm not speaking for the uni ;) You are certainly right. Well, I would say that I'm a fast learner, e.g. I've written a nice app in python/pyQt within 3 weeks (is that fast or not?). I can't really as I don't really know what is fast and what is not. python is very easy anyway. In any case, I'll certainly talk again to the president guy. I told him twice already that my self esteem isn't that high concerning my skills but he said I ... |
| 11:49.26 | Shapeshifter | ... shouldn't worry too much. |
| 11:50.51 | Shapeshifter | I think the uni just wants to be prepared for the narrow time slot where google is accepting mentoring organisations. They can still say sorry to the students that have applied in case they get rejected. |
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| 11:52.14 | ojwb | student applications start a while after org acceptance is announced though |
| 11:52.31 | ojwb | ~timeline |
| 11:52.31 | ibot | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 11:52.50 | ArthurLiu | ojwb, yeah but the rush starts right at the orgs announcement usually |
| 11:52.56 | ojwb | but really it is down to the org if they think you're suitable |
| 11:53.12 | ArthurLiu | no one knows for my website proposal issue ? :/ |
| 11:53.13 | danderson | well, nothing prevents you from starting to work on your application right now |
| 11:53.29 | danderson | but you do have at least a week or so to send your application |
| 11:53.37 | ojwb | ArthurLiu: well, it makes sense to be talking to students, but it's misleading to say that anything is definite yet |
| 11:54.07 | danderson | ArthurLiu: if by "website redesign" you mean "rebuild the website's engine to new specifications", that is acceptable |
| 11:54.15 | ojwb | don't know about the website redesign - my understanding was that it had to be mostly "coding" |
| 11:54.16 | danderson | if you mean "writing a new template/css for the site", that is not. |
| 11:54.25 | ArthurLiu | okay, thanks for the clarification |
| 11:54.29 | ojwb | so what he just said |
| 11:54.46 | danderson | your SoC should be a majority of coding, and html/css is stretching the definition of programming |
| 11:54.52 | danderson | since they're pretty much description languages |
| 11:55.00 | danderson | now, javascript/php/etc, no problem |
| 11:55.18 | ojwb | but presumably students should be expected to write documentation for their new code |
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| 11:55.38 | danderson | yeah, sure |
| 11:55.49 | danderson | but the main product of your SoC should be code |
| 11:56.45 | ArthurLiu | (I'm from the org) we're thinking about how to design the proposal, since a complete code redesign/content porting of the website would take like 4 students... |
| 11:57.55 | ojwb | Shapeshifter: it sounds like you have suitable skills, but it's really down to the org to decide |
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| 12:09.35 | Shapeshifter | thanks guys. |
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| 12:18.00 | sfb | Wow, no way to change the Link ID. |
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| 12:43.22 | djbclark | So, link ID and public name... should these reference only one's self, or is it good to also include a reference to the organisation one is applying on behalf of? |
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| 13:00.06 | kblin | djbclark: uhm, good question, I just referenced myself, as I'll be admining multiple orgs |
| 13:00.29 | kblin | you'll get to create a link_id for the org as well anyway |
| 13:01.00 | thebolt | hi kblin , how's it going? |
| 13:01.24 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 13:01.31 | kblin | cursing blast for being so slow :) |
| 13:01.51 | djbclark | @kblin: thanks |
| 13:02.07 | thebolt | kblin: hehe :) |
| 13:02.09 | kblin | but it seems like using a binary search for my features reduced my program runtime by 75% |
| 13:02.27 | thebolt | :) |
| 13:02.34 | kblin | so I can live with blast taking up 8 of the 10 minutes |
| 13:04.25 | thebolt | lucky you that have so much time.. |
| 13:04.45 | kblin | well, I need the results |
| 13:04.47 | thebolt | i'm looking at some inefficiencies.. some stuff taking above 1-2ms when it shouldn't |
| 13:05.17 | thebolt | but even on a modern PC 1ms isn't _that_ many instructions |
| 13:05.54 | kblin | well, as long as the runtime is below ~1h, I can cope, I guess |
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| 13:15.29 | kblin | hmm, now I need some shell-fu |
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| 13:15.53 | kblin | I've got a file I want to split at a specific line. what'd be the best way to do that? |
| 13:16.16 | kblin | specific line as in content, not line number |
| 13:16.26 | Landon | bah! |
| 13:16.44 | Landon | you foiled me before I hit enter |
| 13:16.54 | Landon | does grep return line #? |
| 13:17.03 | Landon | I would grep it, find the line and then head and tail it |
| 13:17.27 | _dr | split(1) |
| 13:18.06 | sfb | grep -n does. |
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| 13:18.32 | kblin | hm, good point. thanks |
| 13:18.39 | sfb | Ah, split matches a pattern too. |
| 13:18.44 | sfb | points at _dr |
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| 13:22.45 | kblin | mine doesn't |
| 13:23.48 | djbclark | T - 5.5h :) |
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| 13:38.32 | kblin | yay, just in time for this year's gsoc :) |
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| 14:27.55 | ESphynx | big gay is today ? |
| 14:28.00 | ESphynx | big day* lol |
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| 14:28.31 | kblin | no |
| 14:28.48 | kblin | big day is when the accepted orgs are announced |
| 14:28.57 | ESphynx | hehe |
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| 14:30.34 | kblin | and the real fun starts after that, when the student application period starts |
| 14:30.38 | Landon | big(ger) day is when students are accepted/not accepted |
| 14:30.38 | Landon | :P |
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| 14:31.17 | kblin | Landon: well, "conflict resolution day" is fun as well |
| 14:31.47 | Landon | that all takes place out of channel, out of mind |
| 14:31.49 | Landon | for me at least |
| 14:32.20 | kblin | it is a bit hectic, I can tell you |
| 14:32.27 | Landon | for those who don't think they have much of a chance this year :P :http://lifehacker.com/5166573/fedex-offices-offering-free-resume-printing-tomorrow |
| 14:33.16 | kblin | but anyway, for the org and the student acceptance notification day, the important command is set up |
| 14:34.11 | kblin | ~when |
| 14:34.12 | ibot | later |
| 14:34.15 | kblin | :) |
| 14:34.36 | Landon | heh |
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| 15:06.05 | kv | hi all |
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| 15:08.22 | Huy | hi kv |
| 15:10.04 | kv | where can i find the web application for mentors? |
| 15:10.36 | a | what web application? |
| 15:10.47 | lh | kv: we wont be taking applications for another 4 hours |
| 15:10.52 | lh | in the meantime !faqs |
| 15:10.59 | lh | okay, or not |
| 15:11.18 | lh | kv: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:11.44 | scorche | ~faq |
| 15:11.45 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
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| 15:13.40 | lh | scorche: can we reteach ibot since the faq has migrated |
| 15:13.59 | scorche | ~forget faq |
| 15:13.59 | ibot | scorche: i forgot faq |
| 15:14.08 | scorche | ~faq is The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:14.09 | ibot | scorche: okay |
| 15:14.13 | lh | observes process |
| 15:14.25 | kv | application for registration mentors |
| 15:14.26 | lh | it's amazing what you forget when you don't use the information |
| 15:14.30 | scorche | =) |
| 15:14.57 | scorche | thinks the font of the new faq is too large |
| 15:15.15 | scorche | uses ctrl and the scroll wheel to fix |
| 15:15.24 | lh | scorche: tinymce has been giving fits, so I am loath to do any appearance only fixes atm |
| 15:15.33 | lh | pawel is working to fix |
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| 15:16.17 | scorche | nods |
| 15:16.35 | aghisla | hi lh! |
| 15:16.48 | lh | aghisla: hi |
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| 15:28.27 | PeepOle | ~forget faq |
| 15:28.27 | ibot | PeepOle: i forgot faq |
| 15:28.37 | PeepOle | ~faq is The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:28.38 | ibot | PeepOle: okay |
| 15:28.43 | PeepOle | cool |
| 15:29.16 | PeepOle | ~faq |
| 15:29.17 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, faq is The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:29.48 | PeepOle | ~extra |
| 15:29.49 | ibot | extra is probably mo betta |
| 15:30.08 | PeepOle | ~var |
| 15:30.27 | PeepOle | ~var is a variable |
| 15:30.28 | ibot | okay, PeepOle |
| 15:30.35 | PeepOle | ~var |
| 15:30.36 | ibot | i heard var is a variable |
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| 15:30.57 | PeepOle | am I allowed to play with the bot? |
| 15:31.15 | thebolt | no |
| 15:31.21 | thebolt | no playing with the bots .P |
| 15:31.40 | PeepOle | someone should have set the permissions then |
| 15:32.12 | PeepOle | ~time |
| 15:32.13 | ibot | You cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2009.03.09 15:32:13 GMT) |
| 15:32.42 | PeepOle | I will work in Google some day too. |
| 15:33.15 | Huy | ~faq |
| 15:33.16 | ibot | faq is probably The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:33.25 | Huy | :D |
| 15:33.48 | PeepOle | ~Huy is a creep |
| 15:33.49 | ibot | okay, PeepOle |
| 15:33.55 | PeepOle | ~Huy |
| 15:33.56 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, huy is a creep |
| 15:34.02 | Huy | T_R |
| 15:34.05 | Huy | T__T |
| 15:34.05 | lh | PeepOle: stop it please. |
| 15:34.07 | PeepOle | :D |
| 15:34.12 | PeepOle | sorry |
| 15:34.46 | lh | mess with the bot some other time, today is going to be a busy day and i want folks to be able to get questions answered quickly. :) |
| 15:34.56 | hpa | Okay, I almost had a heart attack... I thought 9 March as listed in the headline was the deadline, not the open |
| 15:35.13 | lh | hpa: no heart attacks, please. plenty o' time to apply. |
| 15:35.55 | PeepOle | lh: What is the time there in California? |
| 15:36.01 | lh | 08:35 |
| 15:36.12 | summatusmentis | oh gross |
| 15:36.19 | lh | summatusmentis: ? |
| 15:36.28 | summatusmentis | 8:30 is so early to be up :) |
| 15:36.36 | lh | summatusmentis: eh. i was up at 7:00 |
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| 15:37.00 | summatusmentis | really? I yelled at my alarm when it went off at 8:30 this morning |
| 15:37.04 | dberkholz | i'll be applying tonight for gentoo. unfortunately got the whole "real job" thing during the day =) |
| 15:37.08 | kreneskyp | 7 is a nice sleep in... |
| 15:37.12 | lh | summatusmentis: i tend to curse life when waking. then i get over it. |
| 15:37.22 | Huy | was up at 6:00 and then go to bed again |
| 15:37.34 | summatusmentis | I suppose so, but still... 7 is unheard of for me |
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| 15:37.53 | dberkholz | my daughter's awake well before that ... 7 is sleeping in |
| 15:38.07 | summatusmentis | anyway, go back to being productive, I just thought I'd interject with useless comments on morning times :) |
| 15:38.14 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: are you in Google too? |
| 15:38.22 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: nope, I'm a student |
| 15:39.09 | summatusmentis | one day though, one day I'll work for google, even if it has to be hostile take over >_> :-P |
| 15:39.11 | lh | wanders off in search of food before day becomes insane |
| 15:39.23 | cyber_11 | hi guys i was just trying to apply as a student to google summer of code but i have a message such like that:" New applications are no longer being accepted. " |
| 15:39.32 | summatusmentis | cyber_11: you're too early |
| 15:39.44 | lh | cyber_11: ~faq |
| 15:39.52 | lh | ~faqs |
| 15:39.52 | ibot | i heard faqs is an apt wannabe |
| 15:39.57 | Huy | cyber_11: you was too late for GSoC 2008 |
| 15:40.04 | PeepOle | ~faq |
| 15:40.05 | ibot | methinks faq is The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:40.07 | cyber_11 | no for 2009 |
| 15:40.13 | Huy | : |
| 15:40.15 | Huy | :D |
| 15:40.26 | lh | y'all are fine without me. too nummies! |
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| 15:40.37 | solydzajs | cyber_11: look at GSoC 2009 timeline first |
| 15:40.44 | cyber_11 | ok i saw them all |
| 15:40.48 | Raim | ibot: no, faq is <reply>The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:40.49 | ibot | okay, Raim |
| 15:40.56 | Raim | ~faq |
| 15:40.57 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:41.03 | Raim | that's a bit nicer :) |
| 15:41.27 | summatusmentis | cyber_11: yeah, the student application period for gsoc09 hasn't opened yet |
| 15:41.38 | cyber_11 | ok... |
| 15:41.52 | summatusmentis | organizations haven't even applied yet |
| 15:42.05 | cyber_11 | i thought that registration on the web has been ended |
| 15:42.09 | cyber_11 | ok |
| 15:42.11 | summatusmentis | I don't think? Orgs have to wait until noon right? |
| 15:42.11 | scorche | ~forget Huy |
| 15:42.12 | ibot | scorche: i forgot huy |
| 15:42.14 | cyber_11 | thanx a lot |
| 15:42.27 | Huy | oh, please don't forget me ibot |
| 15:42.30 | summatusmentis | cyber_11: the registration for gsoc08 has ended :) |
| 15:42.30 | Huy | :D |
| 15:42.36 | solydzajs | summatusmentis: orgs need to wait till 7PM UTC time |
| 15:42.53 | summatusmentis | sorry, I say noon |
| 15:43.10 | scorche | lh: it only works when you have the ~termhere at the beginning and have only that ;) |
| 15:43.19 | summatusmentis | I was thinking noon here :) |
| 15:43.23 | PeepOle | ~lh |
| 15:43.24 | ibot | rumour has it, lh is amazing, and probably secretly super woman with super human powers |
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| 15:44.43 | Huy | summatusmentis: what project are you goin to take this year ? |
| 15:45.09 | PeepOle | there should be a gsoc-social channel |
| 15:45.24 | summatusmentis | Huy: I'm applying to OpenAFS again this year |
| 15:45.40 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: but... but... this one is so fun! |
| 15:47.24 | Huy | summatusmentis: were you accepted last year ? |
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| 15:47.32 | summatusmentis | I was :) |
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| 15:48.59 | PeepOle | How to write like this: "lh wanders off in search of food before day becomes insane" |
| 15:49.24 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: type /me "your message here" without the quotes |
| 15:49.45 | PeepOle | peeps |
| 15:49.57 | summatusmentis | see? |
| 15:51.48 | scorche | goes off for sleep |
| 15:52.34 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: did you participate in OpenAFS last yr also? |
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| 15:52.40 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: I did |
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| 15:53.06 | Huy | how about you PeepOle |
| 15:53.16 | PeepOle | newbie |
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| 15:53.32 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: are you doing phd? |
| 15:53.51 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: no, I'm an undergrad students at http://morris.umn.edu |
| 15:54.03 | sfb | Someone else from MN |
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| 15:54.07 | PeepOle | bows to summatusmentis's superiority |
| 15:54.07 | sfb | neat. |
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| 15:54.12 | summatusmentis | sfb: where are you? |
| 15:54.19 | sfb | TC |
| 15:54.21 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: I'm not superior in any way :) |
| 15:54.27 | PeepOle | thinks Distributed systems is wayyy above him |
| 15:54.35 | summatusmentis | sfb: at the U? I didn't get in there |
| 15:54.43 | sfb | Nope. |
| 15:54.52 | sfb | I'm actuall y just geographically in MN |
| 15:54.58 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: in terms of coding, it was a huge learning curve |
| 15:55.00 | summatusmentis | sfb: oh, ok |
| 15:55.01 | sfb | I'm hoping to be an org admin. |
| 15:55.11 | summatusmentis | what org? |
| 15:55.37 | sfb | NeL |
| 15:55.43 | sfb | dev.ryzom.com |
| 15:56.18 | summatusmentis | mmo engine? cool :) |
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| 15:56.38 | sfb | Yup. |
| 15:56.51 | sfb | It's good fun. I don't work for the company, I'm just a community leader. (; |
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| 15:57.15 | summatusmentis | cool cool |
| 15:57.38 | sfb | It's a different worlf from AFS. |
| 15:58.08 | summatusmentis | I'm sure it is |
| 15:58.26 | summatusmentis | it was kind of a fluke I ended up with afs |
| 15:58.37 | akashmkj | sorry to interrup, but what's AFS?? |
| 15:58.42 | summatusmentis | I'd never heard of them before, but I was looking for orgs to apply to |
| 15:58.59 | lh | akashmkj: http://www.openafs.org/ |
| 15:59.06 | summatusmentis | akashmkj: AFS = Andrew File System, OpenAFS is an org that provides an implementation |
| 15:59.16 | lut4rp | oooh, DFS! |
| 15:59.34 | lut4rp | is reminded of Tanenbaum |
| 15:59.40 | sfb | AFS is pretty neat. |
| 16:00.07 | akashmkj | k |
| 16:00.15 | akashmkj | thanks :D |
| 16:00.23 | summatusmentis | sure thing :) |
| 16:00.31 | PeepOle | never new there was an IBM public licence |
| 16:00.43 | PeepOle | *knew *license |
| 16:00.50 | summatusmentis | I didn't either, but I suppose it makes sense |
| 16:01.12 | summatusmentis | (never having actually read it) |
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| 16:02.02 | lut4rp | i still am lost when it comes to licenses... like the difference between GPLv2 and v3 |
| 16:02.17 | lut4rp | had to read this huge manuscript where it explained lots of stuff. |
| 16:02.33 | summatusmentis | I've read through GPLv2 once |
| 16:02.42 | sfb | GPLv3 has some more stuff essentially targeted at SaaS. |
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| 16:03.09 | sfb | GPLv3 also has more language regarding lockin - RMS was trying to defeat things like binary blob firmware drivers and DRM. |
| 16:03.36 | sfb | I'm over simplifying but for the most part you can lean on FSF if you have sincere legal questions. |
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| 16:03.42 | sfb | Or if you're a company you have a lawyer. |
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| 16:03.49 | lut4rp | I don't have either :) |
| 16:04.02 | sfb | Neither do I. I just have friends that do. |
| 16:04.05 | sfb | (= |
| 16:04.12 | summatusmentis | I like the concept of GPL, but BSD (or similar) seems more pragmatic |
| 16:04.44 | lut4rp | the BSD and MIT licenses are really small in size, right? |
| 16:04.55 | summatusmentis | I'm not sure |
| 16:04.59 | sfb | Yeah. |
| 16:05.04 | summatusmentis | never read those either :) |
| 16:05.12 | lut4rp | yeah, they are. |
| 16:05.15 | sfb | They're also much more straight forward than GPL. |
| 16:05.25 | sfb | And intended to be more open-ended. |
| 16:05.34 | sfb | Pragmatic is a sufficient description of BSD. |
| 16:05.37 | summatusmentis | are they known to hold up in court? |
| 16:05.37 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: are you 3rd yr? |
| 16:05.39 | lut4rp | right, a Rails hacker once tried to explain to me why ROR is under MIT. |
| 16:05.48 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: I will be at the end of this semester |
| 16:06.00 | sfb | The common complaint is that it's too pragmatic (open-source projects get "gamed" by commercial entities. See also WINE vs. Cedega) |
| 16:06.08 | summatusmentis | right |
| 16:06.16 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: that means you worked in OpenAFS in your 1st year? |
| 16:06.20 | ToXBoT | lut4rp, you're talking about Sur Suri? |
| 16:06.25 | Huy | did anyone meet Richard Stallman |
| 16:06.28 | Huy | ? |
| 16:06.28 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: I'm at 57 credits, 60 would technically make me a 3rd year student |
| 16:06.38 | lut4rp | ToXBoT: no not Sur, I am talking about Prateek. |
| 16:06.41 | lut4rp | Prateek Saxena |
| 16:06.42 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: yes, it means I worked on OpenAFS in the summer after my first year |
| 16:06.49 | ToXBoT | lut4rp, Okay! |
| 16:07.00 | lut4rp | Huy: i did. |
| 16:07.06 | lut4rp | he's quite... weird :D |
| 16:07.12 | Huy | :D |
| 16:07.13 | ToXBoT | long hair |
| 16:07.16 | summatusmentis | sfb: and that's part of my worry with BSD, the complete lack of re-contribution that could occur |
| 16:07.17 | ToXBoT | :p |
| 16:07.38 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: Did you know about Distributed Systems in your 1st year? |
| 16:07.39 | lut4rp | he's quite FBI-like when he talks. |
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| 16:08.01 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: what do you mean did I know distributed systems? |
| 16:08.12 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: theory and all? |
| 16:08.13 | summatusmentis | I understood some basic concepts |
| 16:08.15 | summatusmentis | no |
| 16:08.31 | summatusmentis | thats part of what GSoC is, right? Learning? |
| 16:08.33 | Landon | summatusmentis: if they dont want to contribute, maybe you dont want their contributions in the first place! :P |
| 16:08.35 | lut4rp | We in India have DFS in the 7th semester of computer engineering |
| 16:08.35 | Huy | I remember a famous speech of him, "I'm your god" |
| 16:08.48 | lut4rp | Huy: that was Linus, not RMS |
| 16:08.51 | summatusmentis | Landon: that's just petty :D |
| 16:08.53 | Landon | gpl seems overly complex to me, so I prefer BSD (ISC actually) |
| 16:08.59 | Landon | KISS |
| 16:09.25 | lut4rp | KISS, totally :) |
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| 16:09.55 | Landon | it was nice working on a project that I sort of started from scratch last summer |
| 16:10.01 | Landon | got to choose my own license |
| 16:10.02 | Landon | :) |
| 16:10.06 | Landon | (somewhat) |
| 16:10.07 | lut4rp | neat. |
| 16:10.07 | Landon | :P |
| 16:10.12 | lut4rp | what is it? |
| 16:10.16 | summatusmentis | it was nice working on an easy project allowing me to do whatever I want* |
| 16:10.20 | summatusmentis | there fixed that for you Landon |
| 16:10.24 | Landon | hahaha |
| 16:10.32 | PeepOle | lut4rp: Which college? |
| 16:10.42 | Landon | lut4rp: rewrote a perl bot in python |
| 16:10.52 | lut4rp | PeepOle: BSAITM, under MDU, Rohtak. |
| 16:10.59 | Landon | to help lawyertypes and other people keep track of time spent on projects |
| 16:10.59 | summatusmentis | wait, you didn't even write your own? :-P |
| 16:11.11 | Landon | summatusmentis: :P I did |
| 16:11.16 | Landon | perl bot was almost a proof of concept |
| 16:11.33 | summatusmentis | so a re-implementation |
| 16:11.34 | Landon | and the python bot has cooler features |
| 16:11.35 | summatusmentis | sort of |
| 16:11.39 | lut4rp | Is ibot open source? |
| 16:11.39 | Landon | yeah |
| 16:11.48 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 16:12.09 | Landon | this year I'll probably get a meatier project if any :p |
| 16:12.16 | PeepOle | wants to know if summatusmentis has a blog |
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| 16:12.29 | PeepOle | is obsessed with summatusmentis now |
| 16:12.32 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: www.summatusmentis.com |
| 16:12.33 | PeepOle | :( |
| 16:12.41 | summatusmentis | but it's a lot of rambling, nothing worth reading |
| 16:13.11 | summatusmentis | more of a persona exercise in writing and expression than a blog as to what I'm doing |
| 16:13.23 | Landon | summatusmentis: back to the point, I think BSD saves a lot of people a lot of time |
| 16:13.29 | summatusmentis | Landon: I would hope you get a meatier project |
| 16:13.36 | summatusmentis | oh, it absolutely does |
| 16:13.43 | summatusmentis | and that's part of why it makes sense |
| 16:13.49 | Landon | and i've got to go to class now |
| 16:14.05 | summatusmentis | :-/ enjoy class |
| 16:14.30 | danderson | please all listen to Split Infinity Radio |
| 16:14.32 | danderson | it's awesome :) |
| 16:14.42 | danderson | <plug> siradio.fm </plug> |
| 16:14.50 | danderson | there's an irish music segment on right now, it wins |
| 16:15.18 | Huy | have go to class 0 time this semester |
| 16:15.27 | summatusmentis | O |
| 16:15.31 | summatusmentis | I can't type |
| 16:15.37 | summatusmentis | I'm not into class at all |
| 16:20.14 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: are you applying this year? |
| 16:20.43 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: Yup. for apache mahout |
| 16:20.57 | lut4rp | PeepOle: are you from India? |
| 16:21.15 | summatusmentis | machine learning libraries? intriguing |
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| 16:22.29 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: I was having doubts about getting selected in GSoC, but your record inspired me :) |
| 16:22.49 | summatusmentis | you should start hanging out in their irc channel, and getting to know them |
| 16:23.04 | sfb | summatusmentis: I'm a fan of LGPL. When I had conversations with Steve (Sinbad) from OGRE I was at first dubious of his reasoning behind LGPL but now I totally get it. |
| 16:23.10 | summatusmentis | basically your job as a student before getting selected entails convincing them that you're capable |
| 16:23.31 | Huy | point summatusmentis to http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2009#lucene-project |
| 16:23.32 | summatusmentis | sfb: I'm not at all familiar with the terms of LGPL |
| 16:23.45 | sfb | summatusmentis: OGRE's reason for LGPL is that they wanted the commercial flexibility of BSD but they wanted accountability - you can use our code all you want and keep your code private but if you add things to our code, please give it back. |
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| 16:24.03 | sfb | summatusmentis: OGRE has had mixed success with LGPL in this respect so it appears to work. |
| 16:24.39 | summatusmentis | doesn't GPL have that same setup? It's only if you re-distribute GPL code that you have to share code right? |
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| 16:25.48 | summatusmentis | the way I see it, the 'giving it back' seems to be the issue with commercial use |
| 16:26.00 | sfb | If you distribute any code linked to GPL-licensed code that code too must be provided. |
| 16:26.49 | sfb | summatusmentis: So in the case of a client/server you're not distributing your server so that can remain closed-source. But your client if distributing (meeting the terms of the definition in the license) then GPL is "viral." As much as GPL advocates hate that phrase. |
| 16:26.50 | summatusmentis | whereas LGPL can be linked to without needing to provide the code, you just can't change the LGPL code (unless you're willing to provide changes) |
| 16:26.53 | summatusmentis | yes? |
| 16:27.03 | sfb | You just have to provide the code to LGPL licensed libraries. |
| 16:27.10 | sfb | Or provide access to the code. |
| 16:27.16 | summatusmentis | right |
| 16:27.16 | so_solid_moo | and you usually need to allow people to change the lgpl bits too |
| 16:27.36 | summatusmentis | the 'viral' part, from an idealogical standpoint, makes a lot of sense |
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| 16:27.50 | sfb | so_solid_moo: To some extent. The static linking vs. dynamic linking debate is still out. I'm not aware of a settlement regarding this... |
| 16:28.09 | so_solid_moo | sfb: that's not really what I was referring to |
| 16:28.36 | sfb | so_solid_moo: It is what I'm referring to - it's kind of hard to allow a user to change the LGPL bits if the code is statically linked into proprietary code. |
| 16:28.39 | sfb | (= |
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| 16:28.48 | sfb | This is why I hate licensing. |
| 16:28.49 | so_solid_moo | except that 4d. applies |
| 16:28.56 | so_solid_moo | which says you can't just statically link |
| 16:29.20 | sfb | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 16:29.59 | so_solid_moo | probably one of the most widely ignored parts of the gpl :S |
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| 16:30.57 | sfb | I appreciate the correction. |
| 16:31.31 | summatusmentis | see, all the legal stuff is where I get lost |
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| 16:42.13 | durin42 | so_solid_moo: no, you could provide your users with your closed-source .o files to relink with |
| 16:42.35 | so_solid_moo | durin42: sure, I know |
| 16:43.22 | so_solid_moo | maybe the "just" in there was a bit subtle |
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| 16:59.09 | akashmkj | anybody here interested in olpc?? |
| 17:00.19 | summatusmentis | conceptually, or as a project? |
| 17:01.00 | kblin | conceptually, it's really cool.. as a project, it's too gui-centric for my liking |
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| 17:01.40 | summatusmentis | conceptually, it's really cool. As a project, my interests lie elsewhere |
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| 17:03.01 | akashmkj | y's dat so?? |
| 17:03.08 | summatusmentis | what? |
| 17:03.24 | akashmkj | srry |
| 17:03.27 | akashmkj | k |
| 17:03.31 | akashmkj | i gt it |
| 17:04.05 | akashmkj | dis is my 1st time, was tryin to figure out its project types |
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| 17:04.35 | akashmkj | visited its page on code.google nd found some |
| 17:04.41 | summatusmentis | I don't think OLPC proper is applying this year |
| 17:04.48 | summatusmentis | Sugar Labs is, I think |
| 17:04.53 | akashmkj | oh :( |
| 17:04.57 | akashmkj | k |
| 17:05.06 | summatusmentis | Sugar Labs is the OS |
| 17:05.19 | sfb | summatusmentis: Where are your interests this year? Hoping to do OpenAFS again? |
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| 17:06.02 | akashmkj | cud u guys kindly tell me what the process is?? TIA |
| 17:06.08 | summatusmentis | sfb: yes :) |
| 17:06.17 | summatusmentis | akashmkj: the process for what? |
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| 17:06.51 | akashmkj | the process 4 getting into a project |
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| 17:07.13 | sfb | akashmkj: It varies based on the project. |
| 17:07.38 | sfb | akashmkj: You'll want to wait until the list of accepted orgs is posted (March 18th) or talk to orgs you know are applying and get a feel for what kind of things they want. |
| 17:07.39 | summatusmentis | akashmkj: oh. You write a proposal outlining what you want to do. You then submit your proposal through google to the project, and the organization then ranks all the applicants they get. |
| 17:07.43 | Huy | ~faq |
| 17:07.44 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 17:08.00 | sfb | akashmkj: Get to know them and their community and then when student applications are ready you can apply through Google. |
| 17:08.00 | summatusmentis | Google then assigns them a number of slots, and the org picks the top N students to fill those slots |
| 17:08.08 | sfb | akashmkj: You have some time to get there still. |
| 17:08.50 | akashmkj | i was confused - do i give a proposal to the mentor or choose from one among the mentors?? + how do i get the contacts 4 the mentors?? |
| 17:09.29 | summatusmentis | mentor is assigned to you the specific project you're applying to |
| 17:09.43 | summatusmentis | you submit your proposal through the web system that google provides |
| 17:09.47 | akashmkj | k |
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| 17:20.20 | ESphynx | Is it 19:00 UTC yet ? :P |
| 17:20.34 | ESphynx | 1h40 to go :) |
| 17:20.57 | kblin | ~when |
| 17:20.58 | ibot | later |
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| 17:48.29 | GeraldW | anyone know where the application for menotring organizations for GSoC resides? It is referenced to open today at http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_org_apply_4694175091022641 |
| 17:48.52 | straydawg | lo |
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| 17:50.38 | sfb | GeraldW: hi, it will be in: http://socghop.appspot.com |
| 17:50.46 | sfb | GeraldW: But registration doesn't start for another hour. |
| 17:50.54 | GeraldW | thanks |
| 17:51.11 | sfb | np |
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| 18:20.19 | dannyb | lot of words in this channel |
| 18:20.22 | dannyb | lot of words |
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| 18:21.01 | dannyb | so_solid_moo: speaking as someone who handles license compliance, the most widely ignored provision is the requirement that customer modification and reverse engineering to debug those mods be allowed |
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| 18:23.25 | lh | watches the changes get pushed to code.google.com/soc/ |
| 18:23.45 | araujo | lh, hola amiga :) |
| 18:25.12 | KillerX | hurray |
| 18:25.25 | KillerX | another fantabulous summer ahead :) |
| 18:25.31 | dberkholz | KillerX: got any good gentoo ideas? |
| 18:25.49 | dberkholz | http://bit.ly/gsoc09 |
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| 18:26.29 | KillerX | dberkholz: Will add them on the wiki as I come by them! |
| 18:26.58 | dberkholz | KillerX: great! we've got a pretty nice collection this year, and more good ones are always welcome |
| 18:27.15 | KillerX | Yep, it does look pretty sweet |
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| 18:27.48 | dberkholz | KillerX: btw, you're on g-pear as potential mentor ... so i hope you're still interested in it =) |
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| 18:30.00 | DrJoel | lh i feel stupid but I don't see the link for organizations to apply on either the front page or FAQ. Should it be on one of them or is it just a bit too early still/> |
| 18:30.20 | Lennie | 1.30h to go I think ): |
| 18:31.00 | lh | 30 minutes to go afaik |
| 18:31.03 | lh | googles utc |
| 18:31.06 | jmb | makes it 18:30 UTC |
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| 18:31.15 | lh | believes jmb, |
| 18:31.19 | jmb | :) |
| 18:32.27 | lh | DrJoel: so 30 minutes or so. i'l announce the opening here, so stay tuned. |
| 18:32.41 | ESphynx | is the mentoring organization competition fierce? :P |
| 18:32.59 | lh | ESphynx: yes. 175 accepted last year out of 500 applications from orgs |
| 18:33.16 | DrJoel | i wasn't worried about the when but the presence of a link. Is it deliberately not there now? |
| 18:33.22 | codestr0m | I can't seem to find the link where it says google will select less orgs this year and the competition is higher.. the faq just states it's capped at 1k students roughly |
| 18:33.42 | Lennie | DrJoel: It will show up when it is time :) |
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| 18:34.04 | Lennie | Hurray for Melange :P |
| 18:34.14 | DrJoel | Lennie: thanks. That's what I was asking. :) |
| 18:34.18 | lh | Lennie: darn skippy. and hooray for you too. |
| 18:34.26 | Lennie | lh :) |
| 18:34.51 | lh | codestr0m: yes, there isn't a link. we are planning to take 150 orgs this year, then again we were also planning to take 150 last year and ended up with 175 so we didn't make an official statement. |
| 18:36.02 | dberkholz | codestr0m: if you read lwn, you might've gotten that from my attempts to read the future there... |
| 18:36.50 | dberkholz | apparently at least one of them was fairly accurate. interested to see how the others pan out |
| 18:36.56 | codestr0m | lh: ok.. then I guess I should rephrase.. small order with only 10 core developers and 2-3 mentors are less likely to be accepted on their own vs if several smaller, but related projects applying as a larger organization.. |
| 18:37.06 | sid0 | hi lh! good luck for gsoc :) |
| 18:37.15 | codestr0m | small organization* |
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| 18:38.03 | Gareth | lh: 'lo |
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| 18:39.01 | ESphynx | Should I even bother as a single core developer? :P |
| 18:39.37 | lh | i am on a call, hang on folks |
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| 18:41.36 | lh | scrolls up |
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| 18:42.58 | lh | codestr0m: not necessarily. i recommend applying anyway and, if your org is not accepted, try to work with a larger org under their umbrella. that being said, newer orgs are less likely to be accepted (this was always true), so think about your umbrella org options now even before applying. submitting an application is pretty light weight, so it's best to apply anyway. |
| 18:43.00 | lh | sid0: thanks! |
| 18:43.11 | lh | Gareth: greets! how are you? |
| 18:43.16 | ESphynx | lol |
| 18:43.21 | lh | ESphynx: see my reply to codestr0m |
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| 18:43.39 | antarus | moos |
| 18:43.58 | codestr0m | lh: thanks. |
| 18:44.00 | ESphynx | I'll still try for it :) |
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| 18:44.23 | lh | codestr0m: you're welcome |
| 18:44.30 | lh | ESphynx: sure |
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| 18:45.06 | sfb | lh: Do you have any good guidelines for acceptance? We've mulled our application over and think we have a pretty solid application hints and tips are always welcomed... |
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| 18:45.48 | Gareth | lh: doing well :) just saw your tweet...found the IRC channel...though I'd pop in and say hi :) how are you doing? |
| 18:45.51 | ESphynx | lj is there any page outlying what an application should consist of etc? |
| 18:46.26 | DrJoel | ESphynx: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_org_app_08250740394219425_ has a list of questions if I pasted that right |
| 18:46.33 | lh | Gareth: very well thanks. :) |
| 18:46.37 | SRabbelier | ESphynx: it involves Death Rays and whatnot |
| 18:46.38 | Gareth | lh: glad to hear it :) |
| 18:46.48 | lh | Gareth: yourself? |
| 18:46.54 | lh | sneaks off to get last minute coffee |
| 18:46.58 | ESphynx | Thanks. Will this be asked in an application form or should I start working on a document already ? |
| 18:47.04 | SRabbelier | whoops, /me forgot to scrooll down :D |
| 18:47.30 | Gareth | lh: good :) mostly over SCALE plague, finally able to catch up a bit. :) |
| 18:47.40 | sfb | ESphynx: I pre-made mine. |
| 18:47.43 | DrJoel | ES: I have ours in a document for now but the new Melange has a nice editor and you should be able to edit it. But I like the comfort of answering it offline |
| 18:47.51 | sfb | ESphynx: It's my first year as an org admin so I'm winging it. (= |
| 18:47.55 | lh | Gareth: awesome. next scale i am bringing airborn for all. :) |
| 18:48.11 | DrJoel | Yikes! Virus fest! |
| 18:48.17 | Catfish_Man | just bring gas masks |
| 18:48.49 | Landon | oh, so I can blame SCALE for me being sick last week? |
| 18:48.56 | Landon | that works |
| 18:49.06 | Landon | even though I was probably thousand+ miles away >.> |
| 18:49.35 | SRabbelier | ESphynx: it's a form with a bunch of questiosn :) |
| 18:49.48 | SRabbelier | ESphynx: that is, non a free-form document |
| 18:49.59 | ESphynx | i'm a bit worried about these questions requiring me so split into different persons |
| 18:50.41 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: for the proprietary version of SoC we can have a non-free form document instead ;) |
| 18:50.58 | Gareth | lh: Definitely! I always think about getting some Puracell for the exhibitors since they shake so many hands...next year its a must have! |
| 18:51.08 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: hehehe :P |
| 18:51.10 | SRabbelier | s/non/not/ |
| 18:51.20 | Gareth | Landon: SCALE Plague is potent! it can travel. |
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| 18:53.24 | lh | Gareth: i have some eco-friendly antibacterial stuff - will see if i can get company to send along for viral marketing purposes. :) |
| 18:53.47 | Gareth | lh: heh |
| 18:55.00 | Landon | ^ its working already |
| 18:55.21 | lh | lol |
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| 18:59.09 | jpirie23 | hello |
| 18:59.27 | lh | jpirie23: welcome |
| 18:59.39 | SRabbelier | does a drumroll |
| 18:59.49 | lh | so before we get started with all this loveliness, some thanks are in order. |
| 18:59.50 | jpirie23 | just heard about gsoc |
| 18:59.57 | jpirie23 | looking into what alll of this is |
| 19:00.07 | SRabbelier | runs for it |
| 19:00.16 | jpirie23 | heh |
| 19:00.25 | Lennie | The link should show up within a few minutes for everyone, good luck on your applications :) |
| 19:00.32 | lh | first, to my team, allman and EllenKo, for all their great work to make this happen. ellen worked with the design team to get the 2009 logo made and has done a lot of work on our YouTube channel. |
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| 19:00.56 | lh | allman = Cat Allman who has been doing some great stuff assembling stats from past years and working on the gsocer survey (more on that later) |
| 19:01.00 | lh | and now to the development team |
| 19:01.02 | SRabbelier | (it's only fun up to the point she gets to thanking _you_) |
| 19:01.30 | lh | solydzajs, SRabbelier, Lennie are the core developers of melange. all hail. without them, there would not be a gsoc 2009. |
| 19:01.43 | Catfish_Man | hails |
| 19:01.44 | DrJoel | THANK YOU Melange team!! |
| 19:01.48 | solydzajs | :-) |
| 19:01.48 | jpirie23 | *hail* |
| 19:01.54 | phrozn | !yay |
| 19:01.55 | solydzajs | you're welcome guys :-) |
| 19:01.57 | lh | solydzajs is our project leader and we are very proud to have a community member in charge of the code base that powers our community |
| 19:02.11 | Lennie | thanks lh, we'll work hard on making the system better then the old app ^_ ^ |
| 19:02.13 | SRabbelier | no problem, drop us a patch sometime ;) |
| 19:02.18 | kblin | hey lh |
| 19:02.19 | lh | many thanks also go to tlarsen and tansell and danderson for their work on melange. |
| 19:02.26 | lh | Lennie: it already is my dear. :) |
| 19:02.32 | lh | kblin: hail unto thee gentle wight |
| 19:02.47 | Alex_GenMAPP | sweet! Thanks! |
| 19:02.51 | SRabbelier | wonders if 'gentle wight' is an insult :P |
| 19:03.10 | lh | SRabbelier: it means good sir vaguely. come on, you know i am stuck in the 12th century. |
| 19:03.10 | durin42 | SRabbelier: I was wondering the same thing |
| 19:03.11 | lh | it's nice there. |
| 19:03.24 | SRabbelier | wikipedia to the rescue |
| 19:03.25 | SRabbelier | Wight: from Old English word wiht, is a Middle English word used to describe a creature or a living being. It is akin to Old High German wiht, meaning a creature or thing.[1] |
| 19:03.30 | lh | mutters something about the lost art of courtesie |
| 19:03.44 | Catfish_Man | points to the isle of wight |
| 19:03.48 | durin42 | lh: ah, I was only coming up with wight as in the barrow wights from the downs east of buckland in LotR |
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| 19:03.56 | lh | where gentle = gentilesse or gentlemanly-ness |
| 19:03.57 | SRabbelier | rolls @ Catfish_Man |
| 19:04.06 | lh | durin42: oh. you know that never occurred to me. |
| 19:04.14 | SRabbelier | allman: O hi ^_^ |
| 19:04.20 | lh | refreshes socghop.appspot.com yet again |
| 19:04.38 | allman | hi all! |
| 19:04.40 | lh | and code.google.com/soc/ yet again |
| 19:04.41 | SRabbelier | lh: you should be seeing it by now :) |
| 19:04.47 | lh | SRabbelier: i'm not. |
| 19:04.49 | Lennie | it's up for me :D |
| 19:04.52 | solydzajs | SRabbelier: I can see the link :-) |
| 19:04.57 | Lennie | for the unpatient, http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/apply/google/gsoc2009 :P |
| 19:05.00 | lh | are you guys signed in or not? |
| 19:05.00 | linustolke | I have allready followed the link and am filling in the form... ;-9 |
| 19:05.01 | SRabbelier | although code.google.com/soc is the same for me |
| 19:05.27 | solydzajs | I"m signed in |
| 19:05.32 | DrJoel | ditto.. don't see any new links |
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| 19:05.57 | solydzajs | it's due to caching |
| 19:06.06 | solydzajs | it will show up in a minute for everyone |
| 19:06.12 | lh | shows up for me now |
| 19:06.14 | lh | all hail |
| 19:06.25 | solydzajs | lh: I can see it now when I'm signed in and signed out too |
| 19:06.30 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Mentoring Organizations Can Apply Now! - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:06.37 | lh | serves champagne |
| 19:06.42 | SRabbelier | yay :) |
| 19:06.43 | solydzajs | yay! |
| 19:06.44 | solydzajs | :-) |
| 19:06.52 | Lennie | :) |
| 19:07.01 | linustolke | houray, some bubbly |
| 19:07.01 | lh | hugs solydzajs SRabbelier and Lennie |
| 19:07.14 | lh | congratulations gentlemen. :) |
| 19:07.17 | icy | do I see this correctly?: a project needs to apply within the next 4 days? do we need to have the ideas ready till then? |
| 19:07.17 | kblin | oh.. |
| 19:07.18 | SRabbelier | dives into a group hug! |
| 19:07.30 | icy | because we didn't even collect any untill... now. :) |
| 19:07.38 | SRabbelier | lh: thank you ^_^ |
| 19:07.50 | SRabbelier | icy: fraid so |
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| 19:07.52 | lh | icy: that's correct. better get on that ideas list pronto. |
| 19:07.58 | kblin | is in the middle of the application already... didn't realize it wasn't announced yet |
| 19:08.04 | DannyB | lh: when are you coming to DC |
| 19:08.10 | icy | damn |
| 19:08.15 | lh | kblin: waiting to announce until code.google.com/soc/ refreshes |
| 19:08.21 | lh | DannyB: dunno. soon i hope. |
| 19:08.22 | kblin | ah, I see |
| 19:08.36 | SRabbelier | strikes a pose |
| 19:08.42 | SRabbelier | Melange is faster than code.google.com/soc! |
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| 19:08.56 | SRabbelier | waits to be struck by lightning |
| 19:09.01 | lh | SRabbelier: shhh. |
| 19:09.14 | lh | i am so so so happy we have a decent infrastructure this year. |
| 19:09.15 | icy | we already missed the deadline to apply last year (despite having ideas ready). I hope we can get it done this time :) |
| 19:09.23 | kblin | now I just hope that bug 235 is really fixed |
| 19:09.26 | lh | icy: good luck |
| 19:09.35 | r0bby | sighs |
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| 19:09.37 | jpirie23 | are most people here mentors of gsoc rather than students yeah? |
| 19:09.44 | kblin | icy: you can probably salvage some of last year's ideas |
| 19:09.50 | lh | and for all those folks who are interested in doing their own summer of code like program, melange is 100% open source. take it and run with the code. |
| 19:09.52 | icy | kblin: indeed |
| 19:09.52 | SRabbelier | kblin: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=235 |
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| 19:09.57 | lh | advocates a documentation program |
| 19:10.04 | Lennie | kblin, wasn't that severe of a bug :D |
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| 19:10.15 | linustolke | Yes, the Melange server seems a lot better than the old Gsoc web site. |
| 19:10.18 | SRabbelier | jpirie23: at the moment probably 50/50 or something |
| 19:10.21 | lh | linustolke: and how. :) |
| 19:10.25 | jpirie23 | ah i see thanks :) |
| 19:10.30 | kblin | jpirie23: there's some students around, but most of them will show up later, when the mentoring orgs are announced |
| 19:10.31 | SRabbelier | jpirie23: but when student signup opens it'll be mostly students ;) |
| 19:10.51 | r0bby | that is a really cute bug |
| 19:11.00 | kblin | Lennie: dunno, it looked like it'd stop me from admining three orgs |
| 19:11.05 | lh | serves cookies, brownies, scones, and chocolate covered strawberries to go with the champagne and coffee and tea. and iced tea |
| 19:11.15 | lh | and a plate of cucumber sandwiches for Catfish_Man |
| 19:11.28 | Catfish_Man | hey nice. |
| 19:11.30 | r0bby | can't wait for tomorrow to be over so i can get back to writing sexy sexy code |
| 19:11.32 | Catfish_Man | lunches |
| 19:11.36 | Catfish_Man | how're you lh? :) |
| 19:11.39 | lh | r0bby: you can do it now. :) |
| 19:11.41 | kblin | SRabbelier: I see it's supposed to be fixed, just didn't get around to test |
| 19:11.45 | r0bby | lh: no i can't |
| 19:11.46 | SRabbelier | r0bby: what's tomorrow? |
| 19:11.48 | lh | Catfish_Man: very well thank you my friend. how about you? |
| 19:11.51 | r0bby | not w/o being a bad student |
| 19:11.53 | SRabbelier | kblin: hehe, don't worry, we did ;) |
| 19:11.57 | lh | kblin: you can do testing on melange-demo if you'd like |
| 19:11.57 | r0bby | SRabbelier: discrete math exam :) |
| 19:12.06 | SRabbelier | r0bby: ouch, good luck with that ;) |
| 19:12.10 | Catfish_Man | well indeed. Making progress on Adium, happy about a girl, and I woke up at a reasonable hour today |
| 19:12.14 | r0bby | I learned to be an arrogant cocky SOB when it comes to exams |
| 19:12.22 | r0bby | Go in confident, grade copmes back, ouch |
| 19:12.23 | icy | what's "Google Frontend" (running socghop.appspot.com) exactly? or is that a secret? :) |
| 19:12.25 | kblin | lh: I'll just whine if it's still broken |
| 19:12.35 | SRabbelier | icy: appengine |
| 19:12.40 | r0bby | whines anyways |
| 19:12.41 | lh | kblin: works for me. :) |
| 19:12.43 | SRabbelier | icy: code.google.com/p/soc/ |
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| 19:12.49 | SRabbelier | icy: And Melange ;) |
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| 19:13.32 | lh | we will be asking for general help to test the student application and application review parts of the code base later this week too, so anyone who is interested in helping jump into #melange too |
| 19:13.33 | Lennie | icy, it's a new open source project |
| 19:13.41 | icy | ah of course app engine, should have guessed it |
| 19:15.00 | lh | post made on the announcement list |
| 19:15.10 | lh | now if only code.google.com/soc/ would update so i can post on our blog |
| 19:15.20 | SRabbelier | chuckles |
| 19:15.24 | icy | kick it |
| 19:15.29 | icy | that works always |
| 19:15.37 | sfb | Thanks GSoC staff! |
| 19:16.07 | ESphynx | So when do you guys start selecting the mentor orgs? can I take a day or 2 to finish it up nicely? :) |
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| 19:16.18 | lh | sfb: thank Lennie, solydzajs abd SRabbelier |
| 19:16.22 | pygi | hi hi folks |
| 19:16.23 | ESphynx | or is there greater chances if we rush in as the first orgs to apply? :P |
| 19:16.36 | sfb | ESphynx: You have until March 13th |
| 19:16.39 | lh | ESphynx: we have a big old meeting next monday. no it does not matter when you apply as long as it is before the deadline |
| 19:16.40 | jpirie23 | pygi: evening |
| 19:16.41 | icy | I hope not ESphynx |
| 19:16.42 | solydzajs | lh: thank you too :-) |
| 19:16.45 | lh | pygi: hi kid. |
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| 19:16.54 | ESphynx | allright thanks :) better do a nice job then :) |
| 19:17.01 | pygi | lh, how are you doing child? |
| 19:17.03 | sandy|lurk | anybody else a bit confused by the "link id" thing on http://socghop.appspot.com/user/create_profile |
| 19:17.05 | Lennie | You can edit your application up to the deadline :) |
| 19:17.07 | lh | pygi: very well thanks and you |
| 19:17.12 | Lennie | so dont worry about it being sloppy at the start |
| 19:17.15 | pygi | lh, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantastic, thank you :) |
| 19:17.16 | icy | sets up some blogpost to get some ideas |
| 19:17.22 | ESphynx | the "save changes" doesn't actually let you post an incomplete application |
| 19:17.25 | jpirie23 | sandy|lurk: yes, not sure what that is supposed to be? |
| 19:17.28 | lh | sandy|lurk: it's in the user guide faq in addition to being extensively documented here: |
| 19:17.36 | sfb | lh: Is there any difference between the backup and primary org admins technologically? |
| 19:17.41 | Lennie | ESphynx: I didn't say incomplete, just sloppy :D |
| 19:17.42 | lh | ESphynx: file a bug http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues |
| 19:17.45 | sfb | lh: I plan on sharing the load with the other org admin... |
| 19:17.52 | sandy|lurk | lh: okay, should have checked there first :-) |
| 19:18.02 | lh | sandy|lurk: all good here's a link |
| 19:18.04 | kblin | ESphynx: fill in some random data |
| 19:18.15 | lh | sandy|lurk: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_sitewideprofile |
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| 19:18.33 | SRabbelier | ESphynx: it's not supposed to |
| 19:18.49 | lh | sfb: not really. we just need one person to submit the app |
| 19:18.51 | SRabbelier | lh: we marked a bug about that as WontFix before |
| 19:19.05 | solydzajs | ESphynx: submit a patch to make it less sloppy :P |
| 19:19.09 | lh | ESphynx: sorry i misunderstood your point. you can edit an applicaiton later but all fields need to be filled in in order to save the app. |
| 19:19.11 | sfb | lh: If I'm AFK for a few days the backup guy is getting the same communication? |
| 19:19.38 | lh | sfb: the only communication is if org is accepted, which does not come until the 18th |
| 19:19.39 | SRabbelier | sfb: the only difference is that you won't have to accept the ToS again, as you already did while applying :P |
| 19:19.43 | lh | you going to be away then? |
| 19:19.44 | SRabbelier | sfb: aside from taht it's 100% the same |
| 19:19.45 | ESphynx | I thoguht we could use the default student application template though? |
| 19:19.55 | sfb | lh: Actually that's ag ood point. |
| 19:20.04 | sfb | lh: My wife's due tomorrow, but I should be back at work by then. |
| 19:20.12 | lh | SRabbelier: we email both primary admin (person who submitted the app) and backup admin(s) when app is accepted, right? |
| 19:20.25 | lh | sfb: holy moley. congratulations! :) |
| 19:20.32 | sfb | Thanks |
| 19:20.36 | sfb | (= |
| 19:20.38 | Alex_GenMAPP | should I be reading anything into the change in language: mentors->members; students->contributors? Do you actually mean to change who is included by these terms? IOW, are you asking about our orgs specific practices regarding gsoc or our general practices, without specific reference to students and mentors? |
| 19:20.39 | SRabbelier | lh: good question :D |
| 19:20.43 | ESphynx | congrats sfb :) |
| 19:21.08 | sfb | lh: I'm just trying to make sure my potential vacancy (as the primary) doesn't derail anything. |
| 19:21.12 | sfb | (= |
| 19:21.12 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP: i need a specific example of this language to better understand your question |
| 19:21.21 | lh | sfb: should be all good afaik. |
| 19:21.28 | sfb | Perfect, thank you. |
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| 19:22.40 | Alex_GenMAPP | "What criteria do you use to select the members of your group" used to say refer to the selection of mentor. Do you still want to know about our gsoc mentor selection in particular, or how we include members in our dev team in general? |
| 19:22.50 | sfb | Wow, one of the fields formatted poorly. I should probably clean that up. |
| 19:22.51 | sfb | haha |
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| 19:24.43 | SRabbelier | sfb: you can edit your application until the deadline, no worries :) |
| 19:24.54 | sfb | SRabbelier: It looks great in the editor box |
| 19:25.07 | sfb | SRabbelier: But all of the newlines disappear in public view. Oh well. (= |
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| 19:25.15 | SRabbelier | sfb: link to the public view please? |
| 19:25.25 | sfb | Please select your backup group administrator.: |
| 19:25.25 | SRabbelier | sfb: pm it :) |
| 19:25.29 | sfb | Ooops |
| 19:27.03 | lh | anyone want to reply to the latest note on the discussion list about odds for a newbie developer? |
| 19:27.18 | lh | i can, but would-be mentors who welcome newbies are better to chime in here |
| 19:27.58 | sfb | Newbie as in new to code or new to your organization? |
| 19:29.27 | Alex_GenMAPP | @sfb new to code. describes himself as "infant developer" |
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| 19:30.04 | sfb | I'd say it depends on the project. We have a handful of things that are suitable for new developers. |
| 19:30.21 | sfb | It also depends on them. When they apply are they over-reaching or underselling themselves? |
| 19:31.23 | lh | sfb: list! :) |
| 19:31.38 | Alex_GenMAPP | sfb: good points. His post is titled "odds for a novice developer". Send him a note :) |
| 19:32.31 | sfb | looks it up. |
| 19:33.02 | pygi | is looking for Ruby Central folks this year, to play some more with Ruby :p |
| 19:33.24 | sfb | have the url handy? |
| 19:33.31 | sfb | I'm kidn of scatterbrained right now. (= |
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| 19:33.54 | lh | raises eyebrow |
| 19:34.02 | dewaard | teaching somehow how to write proper code is one thing, but what about a competent programmer (not just technically, but also regarding unit testing, documentation, etc) applying to work on something outside of his direct field of experience? like in a different language, different problem area, but still a fairly challenging task (e.g. python core hacking or something). |
| 19:34.06 | Alex_GenMAPP | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/c51a29dbb398ad4 |
| 19:34.07 | pygi | lh, you have eyebrow? :D |
| 19:34.07 | icy | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/c51a29dbb398ad4 |
| 19:34.14 | icy | oups, just a second too late |
| 19:34.17 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP icy thank you |
| 19:34.39 | lh | pygi: i can haz 2 eyebrowz |
| 19:34.50 | icy | unibrow? |
| 19:34.55 | icy | hides |
| 19:34.58 | Landon | mad scientist: I can haz no eyebrowz |
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| 19:35.54 | lh | icy: not usually. |
| 19:36.29 | lh | dewaard: i think that is a recommender of success really. if you are willing to branch out, take risks, you are likely to be a successful student. |
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| 19:39.46 | Alex_GenMAPP | The field 'public email' scares me a little. I'm uncertain which to use. Will this be on the page orgs this year, for any potential student to make contact? Or does it have some other purpose? |
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| 19:40.12 | r0bby | Alex_GenMAPP: use your devlist |
| 19:40.20 | Alex_GenMAPP | ^ page of orgs (e.g., list of orgs) |
| 19:40.40 | Alex_GenMAPP | r0bby: thanks! |
| 19:41.05 | dewaard | lh, seems interesting. I'm a fairly competent python hacker, I have worked on open source before and worked with my fair share of languages, but GSoC seems like a good opportunity to explore new territory under the wing of someone experienced in the field. But I'm just wondering if projects wouldn't be hesitant in mentoring someone that doesn't even have a proven track record in the language they are using, for example. |
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| 19:41.44 | Ori_B | dewaard: that's up to the project |
| 19:41.52 | Alex_GenMAPP | r0bby: but if this is going out as a public email, I can't be sure everyone using it will be knowledgeable about list etiquette. Other ideas? |
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| 19:42.06 | dewaard | Ori_B, seems like a bit of a risk, they are making a commitment as well. |
| 19:42.09 | Ori_B | and it's also why it's a good idea to talk to your potential mentors in advance -- so that they can judge your ability. |
| 19:42.29 | Alex_GenMAPP | frankly, i'm tempted to use my work email and triage the spam from the proper inquiries... |
| 19:42.52 | r0bby | Alex_GenMAPP: Last year I was the one who basically bombarded the list |
| 19:43.03 | r0bby | (Look, you'll see asidfe from LH i was a top poster) |
| 19:43.28 | r0bby | protip: don't do it :) |
| 19:43.47 | r0bby | It's annoying to get 50,000,000 emails, asnd it WILL happen. |
| 19:43.57 | r0bby | bitching about it on the list makes more noise! |
| 19:44.00 | r0bby | be zen and use filters |
| 19:44.45 | lh | r0bby: curb your enthusiasm dude |
| 19:44.53 | Alex_GenMAPP | r0bby: hmm... not sure we're talking about the same thing |
| 19:45.09 | r0bby | lh: what isa bad show on hbo w/ larry david |
| 19:45.12 | r0bby | giggles :P |
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| 19:45.31 | r0bby | Okay on that note, o/ |
| 19:45.36 | dewaard | Ori_B, fair point. thankfully there is plenty of time between when the participating projects will be announced and the application deadline for students to get familiar with another programming language, or whatever. |
| 19:45.56 | lh | dewaard: that is what the community bonding period is for. |
| 19:46.25 | Alex_GenMAPP | question: what are other orgs using for "public email" in their applications? devlist or org admin email or generic admin email? |
| 19:46.32 | lh | dewaard: just be honest about your skill set and past accomplishments. |
| 19:46.54 | lh | johndbritton: thanks for the wp page for melange! |
| 19:47.03 | lh | thinks it would be cool to add the developer team to the page, too. :) |
| 19:47.07 | dewaard | lh, thankfully thats all public record these days, with public code repositories where everyone can see your work ;) |
| 19:47.14 | lh | dewaard: exactly. :) |
| 19:47.29 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP: people are planning to do all of the above. do what works best for you. |
| 19:48.05 | r0bby | me can't breathe :( |
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| 19:48.38 | Landon | is using his eee on a 24" montior |
| 19:48.42 | Landon | how entertaining |
| 19:48.47 | Landon | although it only goes up to 1024x768 :( |
| 19:48.51 | manus_eiffel | lh: Why was the Google summer of code 2009 not announced on the Google Open Source Glog? I was expecting to see there. |
| 19:49.01 | dewaard | lh, so that should be fine. but still, the community bonding period is after the student application deadline. |
| 19:49.30 | Alex_GenMAPP | cool. done! |
| 19:49.31 | lh | manus_eiffel: because code.google.com/soc/ isn't updated yet. patience. |
| 19:49.39 | icy | lh: you could get the youtube guys to submit some ideas to us, I'm sure they have some :) |
| 19:49.50 | lh | dewaard: correct. but you can talk about your plan to learn what you need to learn during that time frame in your application. |
| 19:49.52 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP: rock! |
| 19:49.57 | icy | (us as in lighttpd project) |
| 19:49.58 | lh | icy: pardon? |
| 19:50.18 | manus_eiffel | lh: I see but for mentor organisations they only have until this Friday to submit something. Luckily I was paying attention. |
| 19:50.21 | icy | lh: youtube runs lighty for the streaming, maybe they have some cool ideas |
| 19:50.22 | lh | icy: i don't follow sorry. |
| 19:50.36 | r0bby | lh are we doing cards with our names on it this yr!? |
| 19:50.39 | lh | manus_eiffel: and we announced we'd be holding the program and the timeline months ago. so.... |
| 19:50.43 | Alex_GenMAPP | note. if site complains about not being logged in after filling in form, you can login and then browse back to the filled-in content and click save again. *phew* |
| 19:50.44 | lh | r0bby: yes. |
| 19:50.52 | dewaard | lh, yes, good point. |
| 19:51.06 | r0bby | heh |
| 19:51.35 | r0bby | finally |
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| 19:52.39 | tkamppeter | Hi, I have some problems with the application form for orgs. |
| 19:53.25 | lh | tkamppeter: what are they? and hi til, how are you? |
| 19:53.36 | lh | okay, i give up. i am tweeting start of org apps. |
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| 19:53.46 | lh | waiting for code.google.com/soc/ is a pita. |
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| 19:54.07 | tkamppeter | First, where does the message about whether I get accepted go to? To my registered mail address or to what I fill in as the LF's "Public Email". |
| 19:54.18 | russellb | lh: what is your twitter id? |
| 19:54.44 | manus_eiffel | lh: sorry I've missed it. The google soc page was still refering to the 2008 event until very recently as far as I can tell. For this year, I'm ok, but what is the blog or RSS feed where all those announcements are done? I will subscribe to them now to make sure I won't ever miss an important deadline |
| 19:54.51 | russellb | lh: nm, found it :-p |
| 19:55.13 | dberkholz | lh: is there a way to add additional questions without having an application template for the whole app? i was thinking of just having a template with a couple of specific requirements then just telling them the rest is free-form |
| 19:55.24 | lh | russellb: mine is lhawthorn. program is gsoc |
| 19:55.39 | dberkholz | unless you have a better idea |
| 19:55.53 | lh | manus_eiffel: it was on the discussion list. |
| 19:56.19 | tkamppeter | lh, and my second problem is that each workgroup of the LF uses another license and now one can only select one license. |
| 19:56.23 | lh | dberkholz: yes that's fine |
| 19:56.37 | icy | can we propose ideas for a branch of the project that is not finished yet? or do you only accept them for stuff that has already been released? |
| 19:56.50 | lh | tkamppeter: that goes to the email address you use to sign into socghop.appspot.com, as noted in the user guide |
| 19:57.01 | lh | icy: yes you can |
| 19:57.16 | tkamppeter | lh, OK, thanks. |
| 19:57.26 | lh | tkamppeter: how many licenses are you dealing with? the kernel is GPL and it is the linux foundation, i guess i'd choose that. |
| 19:57.30 | dberkholz | lh: ok thanks! |
| 19:57.41 | lh | dberkholz: i can't think of a better way to slice it. |
| 19:58.08 | dberkholz | lh: was thinking about some ideas from the mentor summit relating to getting a better applicant pool by having them do a couple of simple tasks |
| 19:58.18 | tkamppeter | Last year I wrote this: |
| 19:58.21 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.21 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.21 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.21 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.21 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.22 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.24 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.26 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.28 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.30 | tkamppeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.30 | SRabbelier | tkamppeter: hohoho |
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| 19:58.33 | SRabbelier | tkamppeter: plesae use pastebin! |
| 19:58.57 | lh | tkamppeter: pick GPL and note in org application all other licenses used by various WGs |
| 19:59.13 | tkamppeter | lh, OK, Thanks |
| 19:59.54 | lh | tkamppeter: happy to help |
| 20:00.43 | tkamppeter | lh, which field do you mean with "org application"? |
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| 20:02.14 | dberkholz | antarus: could you apply for a user login at http://socghop.appspot.com/ so i can stick you in the org app i'm filling out now? it just takes a minute |
| 20:02.18 | lh | tkamppeter: i don't know what field you are referring to. what are you doing right now? |
| 20:02.30 | mmadia | greetings all. I'll be acting as the primary GSoC'09 admin on behalf of Haiku. |
| 20:02.30 | noHFCS | : waves. |
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| 20:02.41 | lh | mmadia: welcome! |
| 20:02.47 | mmadia | lh , Jorge "koki" says hi ;) |
| 20:02.51 | dberkholz | hai! |
| 20:02.53 | lh | mmadia: awesome. :) |
| 20:02.59 | tkamppeter | lh, I am looking through the application form to find out what I have to fill in where. |
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| 20:03.28 | lh | tkamppeter: okay. so what is this organization application field you are referring to? |
| 20:04.10 | tkamppeter | lh, now you told I should select GPL as license and mention the other licenses in the "org application". Now I want to ask you whether you have a certain field of the form in mind. |
| 20:04.50 | lh | tkamppeter: ah. honestly, it does not matter. I would write in the first free text field "The Linux Foundation Working Groups also release code under the following OSI approved licenses: <list>" |
| 20:06.32 | tumi | http://linux-sound.org/images/blog/full-size/1-bt-buzztard.png |
| 20:06.37 | icy | mmadia: Haiku, lovely OS. Students coding for. In Google Summer of Code. |
| 20:06.44 | tkamppeter | lh, I also need to fill in several mailing lists and IRC channels, one per workgroup, and the fields look very small. Is it possible to fill in something like 5 mailing list references into these fields? |
| 20:06.46 | icy | (I am not good at that stuff haha) |
| 20:06.47 | Catfish_Man | icy++ |
| 20:07.26 | lh | tkamppeter: pick one list for air traffic control where you can then parcel folks out to the main lists |
| 20:07.32 | tkamppeter | I do not want to create a new mailing list and a new IRC channel for the GSoC as the students should talk on the lists/channels of the actual projects. |
| 20:07.33 | lh | or one email address. |
| 20:08.00 | lh | tkamppeter: then you're going to need to come up with another solution, such as having folks email you directly. isn't there a general info lsit for the LF? |
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| 20:08.05 | icy | Catfish_Man: I'm glad you liked it, was my first haiku :P |
| 20:08.15 | DrJoel | tk: can you point to a wiki page with break out information? |
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| 20:09.50 | tkamppeter | I will ask our admin to create a new "gsoc" mailing list as a first contact mean. In this list I will tell to everyone where he has to go. I will also use it then for the "Public Email"field. |
| 20:10.44 | DrJoel | public email != org admin's public email? there was no help popup on that field |
| 20:10.50 | lh | tkamppeter: that works. DrJoel's suggestion also works. |
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| 20:11.23 | lh | DrJoel: no, main contact list for your organization http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp |
| 20:11.34 | lh | "For Public Email, please enter an email address to be used by would-be mentors or students seeking additional information. This can be an individual's email address or a mailing list address; use whichever will work best for your organization." |
| 20:11.36 | tkamppeter | I can also add the contact addresses to each project idea in the ideas list. |
| 20:12.04 | tkamppeter | and fill "see ideas list" into the mailing list and IRC fields. |
| 20:12.11 | tkamppeter | lh, WDYT? |
| 20:12.43 | lh | tkamppeter: that's a *great* idea. |
| 20:12.56 | DrJoel | lh.. thanks. apparently I do not read documentation and rely on popups too much. :) |
| 20:13.09 | lh | advocates reading the user guide. :) |
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| 20:14.43 | sfb | There, replied to Lokesh. |
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| 20:14.57 | lh | sfb: ty |
| 20:16.01 | Lennie | home page just reached 1k hits :P |
| 20:16.30 | Lennie | should have built an easter egg to celebrate such events ^_^ |
| 20:16.49 | lh | Lennie: rock!!! |
| 20:16.56 | Lennie | paper |
| 20:16.57 | Lennie | I win |
| 20:17.03 | DrJoel | blushes .. documentation helps :) |
| 20:17.03 | lh | Lennie: you do. |
| 20:17.13 | lh | Lennie: any idea how many unique users? |
| 20:17.17 | Lennie | can't tell |
| 20:17.19 | Catfish_Man | pfft. Like paper could actually stop rock. The pointy guitars would go right through it |
| 20:17.22 | Lennie | google analytics shoudl be up? |
| 20:17.23 | lh | solydzajs: where can i look at analytics for socghop.appspot.com |
| 20:18.25 | jpirie23 | on the subject of easter eggs.... would love to eat this :) http://www.pimpthatsnack.com/project.php?projectID=374 |
| 20:19.52 | sfb | Well, now for the big wait! |
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| 20:22.04 | russellb | scrambles to get his project's idea list put together ... :-) |
| 20:23.07 | DrJoel | russellb: be careful to make sure the projects are well defined and have a prayer of being finished in the time frame. We had one last year where we realized none of the mentors could define the real requirements |
| 20:23.18 | DrJoel | we dropped it from the list for GSoC |
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| 20:23.42 | russellb | DrJoel: understood. I think we've got a pretty good start. |
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| 20:24.17 | russellb | waves to hypa7ia |
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| 20:25.54 | mujma | There is no guarantee this year that accepted organization will get at least one student ? |
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| 20:25.54 | lh | mujma: that's guaranteed. otherwise, why would we accept them. |
| 20:25.54 | lh | waves hi to JefferyM |
| 20:26.03 | JefferyM | hello lh how are you? |
| 20:26.49 | mujma | thanks lh |
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| 20:29.03 | lh | JefferyM: very well, thanks. yourself? |
| 20:29.36 | JefferyM | been sick for the past 10 days, lh :( |
| 20:29.52 | JefferyM | and I had a crown fall out :\ |
| 20:29.59 | lh | JefferyM: holy crap. what' |
| 20:30.03 | lh | what's wrong with you? |
| 20:30.09 | JefferyM | thanks the gods for the 5 year limited powertrain waranty on his dental work |
| 20:30.13 | JefferyM | lh lots of things |
| 20:30.24 | lh | JefferyM: such as, or best not discussed here? |
| 20:30.32 | lh | advocates special magic healing tea, potentially |
| 20:30.47 | JefferyM | I did not take care of my teeth much when I was younger now I'm paying for it |
| 20:30.49 | Catfish_Man | yeah. The regular magic healing tea just doesn't cut it |
| 20:31.01 | JefferyM | be that a lesson kids. BRUSH YOUR FRIGGIN TEETH! |
| 20:31.02 | lh | Catfish_Man: in some cases, no. :) |
| 20:31.10 | Landon | JefferyM: its all good until theyre permanent |
| 20:31.11 | Landon | :( |
| 20:31.26 | lh | JefferyM: and don't forget to wash behind your ears. also, avoid ritalin and adderall. |
| 20:31.31 | JefferyM | not so, you get bone loss Landon |
| 20:31.47 | JefferyM | it's so much more then just the teeth |
| 20:31.56 | JefferyM | I am so very glad that science can save me |
| 20:32.16 | JefferyM | they used a laser scaner, and CNC machine to make me a new crown right there in the office |
| 20:32.52 | JefferyM | monday is going to be fun, last 2 wisdom teeth come out |
| 20:34.17 | lh | JefferyM: good grief. i am so sorry you're having a crap time of it. |
| 20:34.53 | DrJoel | JeffreyM: bummer... but there is some amazing medical stuff out there. My wife had a full hysterectomy and ovarectomy via http://www.davincisurgery.com/index.aspx and .. READY.. came home of her own choice 12 hours after the surgery!! |
| 20:35.19 | DrJoel | JeffreyM: take care of yourself.. you only get one body.. |
| 20:36.10 | JefferyM | lh, I'll ive but thanks :) |
| 20:36.26 | JefferyM | live even |
| 20:36.34 | lh | hands poor sick JefferyM a spare "l" |
| 20:36.56 | Catfish_Man | da vinci surgery, eh? modest name choice... |
| 20:37.06 | hypa7ia | DrJoel: it's amazing. i had my tonsils out in the fall... was out for 30 minutes and went home 4 hours after the surgery |
| 20:38.22 | jbrockmeier | lh where do I find this magic healing tea? |
| 20:38.42 | lh | jbrockmeier: i can haz recipe |
| 20:38.45 | lh | finds |
| 20:38.48 | DrJoel | hypa7ia: i had lasik before it was fda approved and within 15 minutes went from a blind bat using sonar to 20/20. Amazing.. almost any planned procedure is quick in and out these days |
| 20:39.27 | hypa7ia | i'm thinking of getting my eyes lazzored someday |
| 20:39.29 | hypa7ia | SO blind |
| 20:39.35 | hypa7ia | speaking of lazzors |
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| 20:40.00 | hypa7ia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H96ZtMXXBAo |
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| 20:40.18 | hypa7ia | we're rebuilding a CNC laser etching table |
| 20:40.21 | hypa7ia | it's awesomepants |
| 20:40.28 | DrJoel | catfish: yep very humble.. makes the surgeon look like a video game operator |
| 20:40.33 | hypa7ia | i wonder if linuxcnc participates in GSOC? |
| 20:42.03 | lh | jbrockmeier: |
| 20:42.08 | lh | > LH's Special Magic Healing Tea |
| 20:42.11 | lh | > 1 bag chamomile tea |
| 20:42.15 | lh | > 1 bag peppermint tea |
| 20:42.18 | Gareth | hypa7ia: Can you vaporize a human target from space yet? |
| 20:42.19 | lh | > 1 bag green tea |
| 20:42.20 | lh | > 2 tbsps. Honey |
| 20:42.20 | lh | > Juice of ½ orange, freshly squeezed |
| 20:42.20 | lh | > |
| 20:42.20 | lh | > If you're feeling particularly terrible, go for the juice of a full orange! |
| 20:42.20 | lh | Tangerine is better than orange (then use a whole tangerine). |
| 20:42.24 | DrJoel | hypa7ia.. thanks for the linux cnc pointer. i had never heard of them.. i will pass it on to my 17 year old son.. he works with his grandfather and helps with his machine shop and CNC work |
| 20:43.10 | hypa7ia | Gareth: working on it! |
| 20:43.14 | hypa7ia | for now just potato chips |
| 20:43.21 | hypa7ia | and we're installing it in the bathtub |
| 20:43.24 | hypa7ia | no jokes |
| 20:43.29 | hypa7ia | the bathroom is ideal for lazzoring |
| 20:43.37 | Gareth | ponders |
| 20:43.46 | Kokito | lh, that maginc healing tea sounds good even when you are not sick :) |
| 20:43.48 | Gareth | potato chips, bathtubs and lazers. |
| 20:43.57 | Kokito | hey Gareth! |
| 20:44.00 | Gareth | Kokito: howdy :) |
| 20:44.07 | lh | Kokito: thanks. it is made using only ingredients found in google microkitchens. |
| 20:44.15 | hypa7ia | DrJoel: cool! the folks at hackerbotlabs in seattle have done some cool CNC conversions |
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| 20:44.20 | jbrockmeier | lh: thanks :-) |
| 20:44.21 | hypa7ia | specifically a lathe and a mill |
| 20:44.26 | hypa7ia | also, hi Gareth ! |
| 20:44.26 | lh | back in the day no one ever stayed home, everyone was sick at the same time, so i invented said tea. |
| 20:44.28 | jbrockmeier | will apply to my SO and see if it helps |
| 20:44.31 | Gareth | hypa7ia: Hello :) |
| 20:44.33 | lh | jbrockmeier: yw, hope you feel better soon. |
| 20:44.50 | jbrockmeier | lh I'm feeling OK, actually, but thanks - my SO is feeling poorly, though |
| 20:45.00 | Gareth | jbrockmeier: SCALE plague? :( |
| 20:45.02 | summatusmentis | hi all |
| 20:45.10 | jbrockmeier | Gareth: nope, usual plague :-) |
| 20:45.17 | hypa7ia | Gareth: i'm helping Letoto set up openswan for gsoc this year - i'll be mentoring, woooo |
| 20:45.25 | Gareth | hypa7ia: Nice! :) |
| 20:45.28 | hypa7ia | ar |
| 20:45.38 | impl | Hi guys! Quick question: I know it's not possible for a participant to be both a mentor and a student at the same time, but what about a (backup) administrator and a student? |
| 20:45.41 | hypa7ia | very exciting, i hope they get projects |
| 20:46.04 | phrozn | i hope i get one too :) |
| 20:46.34 | Lennie | impl, if the backup admin accepts the org admin invitation he will not be allowed to create a student role |
| 20:46.41 | Lennie | such invites only go out when the org has been accepted |
| 20:46.53 | impl | Lennie: ah, okay. gotcha, thanks |
| 20:47.18 | hypa7ia | hey phrozn ! wanna work on openswan if we get projects? |
| 20:47.25 | hypa7ia | shamelessly self-promotes |
| 20:47.53 | lh | impl: that's kinda subpar. i wouldn't not allow it but i think it's unwise. |
| 20:48.11 | lh | or you could just listen to lennie and realize the system precludes you from doing so. so i guess no. |
| 20:48.12 | lh | :) |
| 20:48.26 | impl | hehe :> |
| 20:48.29 | Gareth | reads lh's statement and attempts to process all the negatives |
| 20:48.33 | Lennie | people from rejected orgs can still participate as a student :) |
| 20:48.48 | Lennie | as long as they are indeed a student ofcourse |
| 20:48.50 | lh | Gareth: in other words, you can but i think the idea is a really bad one. so bad that the system doesn't allow you to do it. |
| 20:49.29 | Gareth | lh: ...sounds like one of the paradox things that could potentially destroy the universe! |
| 20:50.01 | dberkholz | 10 minutes left of my lunch break, better get this app finished up... |
| 20:50.28 | lh | Gareth: fortunately, we have all brought our towels. :) |
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| 20:50.54 | SRabbelier | lh: I sure have mine handy! |
| 20:51.19 | lh | passes out extra towels just in case someone needs them |
| 20:52.33 | Gareth | woo. towels. |
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| 20:52.46 | kblin | lh: I don't have time to participate as a student.. why do you think I want to get some students to do my work for me? ;) |
| 20:52.50 | DrJoel | stupid question that might be in the docs: is there a way to print the application out with ALL fields so it can be reviewed on paper? |
| 20:53.16 | lh | kblin: :) |
| 20:53.25 | lh | DrJoel: hrm. unknown. |
| 20:53.30 | lh | SRabbelier: you know this? |
| 20:53.58 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: the student's application? |
| 20:54.15 | DrJoel | lh: no our organization's so there aren't stupid mistakes |
| 20:54.32 | Lennie | just hit print and see what comes out? |
| 20:54.33 | impl | DrJoel: You could do some trickery with Firebug or something to convert the form elements to <div>s |
| 20:54.42 | ACSpike[Work] | according to the docs "Save Changes" means submit application, so I need to have the full application completed rather than making a first pass and coming back later before the deadline to finish? |
| 20:55.01 | SRabbelier | ACSpike[Work]: you can come back later |
| 20:55.04 | Lennie | ACSpike[Work], you can keep editing it till the deadline |
| 20:55.05 | SRabbelier | ACSpike[Work]: as long as it's before the deadline |
| 20:55.14 | ACSpike[Work] | excellent! |
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| 20:55.55 | DrJoel | impl: was hoping for something w/o trickery.. :D |
| 20:56.24 | impl | Trickery is a fundamental component of working with Web applications, though. |
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| 20:56.58 | DrJoel | impl: lol |
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| 20:57.11 | impl | :D |
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| 21:10.15 | kblin | hmm |
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| 21:12.48 | milki | i was told that there is room for part-time students in soc |
| 21:13.00 | milki | can anyone confirm? |
| 21:13.21 | lh | milki: not true, it depends. you would need to tell your potential mentors about your time constraints and let them decide if that would work well or no |
| 21:13.21 | brlcad | milki: it depends on the organizations and the mutual expectations |
| 21:13.32 | Catfish_Man | milki: yes and no. There's no explicit time requirement, but project ideas are intended to be "about one summer of work full time for a good student" |
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| 21:14.12 | milki | hm |
| 21:14.28 | milki | maybe then I might try to find an org that would take a part-time student then |
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| 21:18.14 | jeremydw | hi milki ^_^ |
| 21:18.21 | milki | hey |
| 21:18.34 | milki | :P |
| 21:18.38 | jeremydw | :P |
| 21:18.51 | jeremydw | btw, that computer i've been meaning to give you is still in my trunk |
| 21:19.08 | milki | heh |
| 21:19.41 | milki | when are you coming over? |
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| 21:26.45 | tkamppeter | lh, the "application template" is a required field now. Does every org have to suypply an application template? |
| 21:28.01 | dberkholz | woohoo, the gentoo submission is in! |
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| 21:29.11 | kblin | tkamppeter: I just put N/A there |
| 21:29.12 | lh | tkamppeter: it is best if you do. if you dont have one you can write in "we do not have one" |
| 21:29.46 | SRabbelier | lh: mhhh, please standardize that |
| 21:29.51 | SRabbelier | lh: N/A or something short |
| 21:29.59 | SRabbelier | lh: so that we can default to something else |
| 21:30.16 | SRabbelier | lh: (since we want the students to be able to preseed their submission with the template, yes?) |
| 21:30.24 | lh | SRabbelier: eh? |
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| 21:30.33 | lh | ah, now i getz. |
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| 21:30.44 | lh | is we do not have one not ok with you? |
| 21:30.59 | kblin | lh: nooo.. we're lazy ;) |
| 21:31.07 | tkamppeter | lh, I am wondering also why "application template" is the only field which allows formatting (HTML). |
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| 21:31.18 | lh | tkamppeter: ask the dev team. :) |
| 21:31.20 | kblin | tkamppeter: looks like it |
| 21:31.27 | SRabbelier | lh: easier to missspell that |
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| 21:31.33 | lh | SRabbelier: i see. |
| 21:31.42 | SRabbelier | lh: if it's "N/A" we can easily compare the contents to "N/A" :) |
| 21:31.55 | Bertl | greetings! working my way through the faq, About, #4, should be 2009, I guess :) |
| 21:31.55 | SRabbelier | lh: mostly because you didnt' tell us otherwise ;) |
| 21:31.57 | lh | tkamppeter: you heard the sverre, please to put in "N/A" |
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| 21:32.28 | lh | SRabbelier: that's because everyone usually has an application template. :) |
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| 21:32.38 | kblin | lh: really? |
| 21:32.49 | kblin | puts that up on his todo list |
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| 21:33.04 | lh | kblin: it's very useful. then you get some standardized info on all applicants. |
| 21:33.05 | kblin | luckily there's still some days to work on the applications |
| 21:33.17 | kblin | yeah, that's a good point |
| 21:33.24 | lh | Bertl: thanks fixed |
| 21:33.36 | kblin | but there's some value in seeing how the students respond to questions :) |
| 21:33.47 | hypa7ia | Gareth: fired up other laptop. that video is epic |
| 21:34.26 | lh | kblin: you mean real-time or in the application? the template could be as simple as respond to these questions. 1) name 2) college. etc. |
| 21:35.00 | kblin | lh: yeah. I'll have to give that some thought |
| 21:35.08 | Bertl | lh: np, the 'ideas page' mentioned in the faq, that one is GSoC specific, yes? |
| 21:35.17 | lh | kblin: kk |
| 21:35.21 | lemmy | lh, hi, do you allow students to be mentors too if they have been mentors in previous years already? E.g. I've returned to University and intent to apply as a student after having mentored in 2007 and 2008. |
| 21:35.22 | lh | Bertl: correct. |
| 21:35.33 | lh | lemmy: this is fine. has happenned before. |
| 21:35.37 | lh | brb |
| 21:35.59 | nrp | lh: there appears to be a typo on http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#number_orgs |
| 21:36.09 | Landon | MUTT |
| 21:36.11 | Landon | Y6 |
| 21:36.17 | Landon | :o |
| 21:36.20 | SRabbelier | nrp: namely? |
| 21:36.20 | lemmy | lh, ok, thanks. |
| 21:36.28 | summatusmentis | Landon: what org are you hoping to apply to? |
| 21:36.34 | Landon | hi summatusmentis >.> |
| 21:36.41 | Landon | not really sure yet |
| 21:36.41 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 21:36.45 | Landon | I think I'll look for a python ork |
| 21:36.46 | Landon | org* |
| 21:36.58 | nrp | SRabbelier: "We expect slightly fewer organizations to take part in 2008". i assume it was supposed to say 2009 |
| 21:37.12 | lh | nrp: that was already fixed thanks to mention also by Bertl |
| 21:37.14 | lh | :) |
| 21:37.18 | Landon | or maybe if something like arduino is an org |
| 21:37.22 | nrp | lh: oh, gotcha |
| 21:37.26 | SRabbelier | nrp: ah, yes, I think lh just fixed that |
| 21:37.58 | Landon | summatusmentis: openAFS again? |
| 21:38.05 | summatusmentis | Landon: yes sir |
| 21:38.09 | summatusmentis | assuming they get in |
| 21:38.23 | nrp | needs to refresh :p |
| 21:38.46 | DrJoel | landon: looking for embedded particularly? |
| 21:39.17 | Bertl | what about small projects with like 1-2 active developers? is it fine to be a mentor, administrator and whatever is needed else at the same time? |
| 21:39.18 | r0bby | sighs |
| 21:39.32 | Catfish_Man | Bertl: I was a mentor and admin for adium last year |
| 21:39.35 | Landon | DrJoel: it would be nice |
| 21:39.47 | kblin | Bertl: has happened before :) |
| 21:40.07 | Bertl | okay, so no problem with GSoC there ... |
| 21:40.12 | summatusmentis | r0bby: what's the issue? |
| 21:40.19 | Landon | although I don't have much experience, the microcontrolelrs class I'm in really scratches an itch |
| 21:40.38 | Landon | just found out one of my favorite phrases is considered dirty :( |
| 21:40.46 | summatusmentis | what phrase? |
| 21:40.52 | Landon | tickles my pickle |
| 21:41.03 | Landon | I always assumed it meant gray matter |
| 21:41.04 | Landon | :\ |
| 21:41.12 | lifeeth | DrJoel, I am interested in embedded ... any particular project you suggesst? |
| 21:41.13 | summatusmentis | haha, really? |
| 21:41.16 | lifeeth | *suggest |
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| 21:41.35 | Landon | summatusmentis: yeah, look on ubandictionary |
| 21:41.40 | Gareth | hypa7ia: I know right? |
| 21:41.42 | DrJoel | I am from RTEMS (www.rtems.org) but in fairness to all the other projects, I remember rockbox being one last year also |
| 21:42.00 | summatusmentis | Landon: I would've guessed it was dirty :) |
| 21:42.03 | DrJoel | Should have said RTEMS is a free RTOS for small embedded systems |
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| 21:42.28 | DrJoel | there may be other embedded type organizations but I just remember rtems and rockbox from last year |
| 21:42.34 | Gareth | The video hypa7ia is talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs&fmt=22 <--- Samsung SSD Shenanigans. |
| 21:42.49 | summatusmentis | OpenMoko might be considered embedded |
| 21:42.54 | DrJoel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.15 | DrJoel | summa: definitely.. openMoko would qualify as embedded.. |
| 21:43.36 | summatusmentis | the were an org last year, not sure if they're applying again |
| 21:43.42 | DrJoel | and Android if they are there this year.. too early for them to participate last year |
| 21:43.55 | summatusmentis | oh man, android would be so cool to work with |
| 21:44.09 | DrJoel | but each org has different focus and projects so browse around and see what scratches your itch |
| 21:44.19 | Landon | DrJoel: that's actually my major so far, computer engineering with a specialization in embedded systems :) |
| 21:44.29 | DrJoel | summa: only if they gave me a G1.. waiting until 22 March for my contract to come up |
| 21:44.42 | summatusmentis | DrJoel: haha, I'm waiting on Palm Pre :-D |
| 21:44.57 | summatusmentis | I know last year OM gave a FreeRunner to all GSoC participants |
| 21:45.54 | DrJoel | FYI i have placed a presentation on the RTEMS projects on our Moodle (www.rtems.org/moodle).. it just highlights a few projects |
| 21:45.58 | Bertl | the 'approved by Google's Open Source Programs Office' happens during the selection of projects, or is that something you have to do before that? |
| 21:46.25 | summatusmentis | Bertl: what do you mean? |
| 21:46.40 | DrJoel | The avr tools people were planning on applying as an organization |
| 21:46.41 | Bertl | FAQ: Eligibility, #4 |
| 21:46.44 | brlcad | milki: I would discourage you -- even if you find an org that seems to be okay with "part-time" (whatever that means), it generally makes for a bad experience and increases your chances of getting dropped |
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| 21:47.46 | summatusmentis | I know OpenAFS last year expected 30 hours/week |
| 21:48.31 | kblin | dunno. none of my orgs had a fixed time allocation |
| 21:48.37 | kblin | but it _was_ lots of work |
| 21:48.42 | DrJoel | I think that is fair.. USD4500 works out to about the $12/hour my daughter earned interning in Huntsville |
| 21:48.55 | brlcad | milki: if you were already actively engaged with a project and had been working on the code (part-time) for a long while (months/years), the situation might be different, but gsoc shouldn't just be a thing you do a little bit over this summer |
| 21:49.00 | DrJoel | and she worked 30-40 hours/week most of the summer with some vacation |
| 21:49.32 | kblin | DrJoel: yeah, that's pretty much the goal, I guess |
| 21:50.15 | brlcad | at a minimum at least :) |
| 21:50.22 | kblin | DrJoel: "Flip code, not burgers" |
| 21:50.34 | Bertl | summatusmentis: i.e. is there a separate process of 'approval' before applying as mentoring organization? |
| 21:51.11 | kblin | Bertl: you can apply now |
| 21:51.24 | brlcad | we've had a few students that it really was just the money that got them some food, and they had a blast coding day and night all summer (literally like 14 hours 7 days a week) |
| 21:51.25 | summatusmentis | Bertl: afaik, you apply, and if you're not 'approved' they won't give you a spot |
| 21:51.44 | Bertl | the question is, how to get approved? |
| 21:52.18 | summatusmentis | DrJoel: some internships pay significantly more |
| 21:52.49 | summatusmentis | at least in CS fields |
| 21:53.16 | nrp | indeed, in many parts of the world, students can get quite a bit more money with a regular internship. GSoC is about scratching the itch |
| 21:53.32 | brlcad | Bertl, write code? don't be boring or mediocre? be excited and good at what you do? interact with your potential mentors (a lot). |
| 21:54.04 | brlcad | there's no recipe |
| 21:54.06 | Bertl | brlcad: hmm, I'm talking about the mentoring organization |
| 21:54.12 | kblin | summatusmentis: yeah, but then again, GSoC is mostly about the t-shirt |
| 21:54.20 | summatusmentis | kblin: that's a valid point :) |
| 21:54.22 | Mathiasdm | brlcad: how about timing? for example, I still have exams in june, but I'd be willing to put a LOT of time in it after those |
| 21:54.25 | brlcad | Bertl: ah, well then the same holds true ;) |
| 21:54.27 | Landon | tshirt of +10 respect |
| 21:54.31 | nrp | can't wait til it gets warm enough to break out the GSoC tshirt |
| 21:54.33 | Landon | or +10 dorky |
| 21:54.34 | Mathiasdm | do you think that's a problem for most projects? |
| 21:54.37 | Landon | depending on which circles you wear it around |
| 21:54.38 | Landon | :) |
| 21:54.56 | brlcad | just that other orgs and your own community are your mentor ;) |
| 21:55.02 | summatusmentis | Landon: meh, badge of honor man. |
| 21:55.07 | Landon | :P |
| 21:55.43 | brlcad | if they're really vibrant and your org can make a big impact in the grand scheme of things, chances will be pretty good for you |
| 21:55.53 | Landon | I personally wear it on days I have more classes in the engg complex :P |
| 21:56.13 | kblin | Mathiasdm: I never had problems with that |
| 21:56.21 | Bertl | okay, let me rephrase the question once again: I'm going to apply as mentoring organization, do I need some kind of 'approval' before and if, where would I get that? (in response to the FAQ, Eligibility, #4) |
| 21:56.35 | Mathiasdm | good to hear, kblin, thanks :) |
| 21:56.40 | kblin | Mathiasdm: it's just important you talk this over with your mentors and allow for it in your proposed milestones |
| 21:56.52 | Mathiasdm | okay |
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| 21:58.26 | brlcad | Bertl: no, you don't need approval |
| 21:58.58 | summatusmentis | oh, for people looking into embedded projects, I think maemo is applying too |
| 21:59.01 | brlcad | you just need to be "running an active and viable open source or free software project" |
| 21:59.28 | kblin | Mathiasdm: also, note that you'll probably end up doing an average of 30+ hours/week anyway, meaning more work after the examns |
| 21:59.32 | kblin | but it's doable |
| 21:59.41 | VDVsx | summatusmentis, you are right about maemo |
| 21:59.47 | Mathiasdm | I can live with that, kblin :) thanks for the info! |
| 22:00.02 | brlcad | Bertl: which gets back to having a vibrant community, infrastructure in place, being able to make a difference, etc |
| 22:00.26 | brlcad | if you don't have a vibrant (user and developer) community, there's not much chance |
| 22:00.57 | summatusmentis | VDVsx: is that your org? |
| 22:01.08 | VDVsx | summatusmentis, yup |
| 22:01.13 | summatusmentis | cool |
| 22:01.19 | summatusmentis | my n810 is sitting on my floor :) |
| 22:02.20 | VDVsx | I don't know here is mine :P |
| 22:03.01 | summatusmentis | ~timeline |
| 22:03.02 | ibot | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 22:03.35 | summatusmentis | April 3 is student deadline, alright |
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| 22:05.58 | kblin | night folks, take care :) |
| 22:06.17 | Catfish_Man | 'night kblin |
| 22:06.50 | kblin | remember to tread silently when playing with melange or the sandworms will eat you ;) |
| 22:06.50 | brlcad | cya kai |
| 22:07.06 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:08.15 | DrJoel | night folks |
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| 22:12.13 | ChipX86 | hey Catfish_Man |
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| 22:12.13 | Catfish_Man | hey ChipX86! |
| 22:12.13 | Catfish_Man | it's been a while, how've you been? |
| 22:12.13 | ChipX86 | pretty good! yourself? |
| 22:12.13 | Catfish_Man | not bad. Breaking stuff, having fun :) |
| 22:12.13 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 22:12.13 | ChipX86 | mentoring this year? |
| 22:12.13 | Catfish_Man | highly unlikely |
| 22:12.14 | summatusmentis | is Adium applying this year? |
| 22:12.22 | Catfish_Man | there's some debate about that. I believe the result of the meeting was "we'll apply, but only ask for one slot, and be picky about that one" |
| 22:12.29 | Catfish_Man | which I'm not entirely happy with, but so it goes |
| 22:12.36 | ChipX86 | aw |
| 22:13.11 | KillerX | ChipX86: are you from chipx86.com? :) |
| 22:13.21 | ChipX86 | that'd be me |
| 22:13.23 | tkamppeter | lh, another question: If I submit my application as mentoring organization, can I edit it later between the submission and the deadline? |
| 22:13.32 | KillerX | ChipX86: Want to say thanks for libsexy! :D |
| 22:13.32 | brlcad | hey ChipX86 |
| 22:13.54 | ChipX86 | KillerX: glad you like it :) hoping in time gtk will deprecate it |
| 22:13.54 | ChipX86 | brlcad: hey, how goes? |
| 22:14.04 | brlcad | pretty great |
| 22:17.24 | brlcad | ChipX86: pretty cool christmas story |
| 22:17.42 | ChipX86 | heh, the robbery? |
| 22:17.45 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:17.51 | ChipX86 | yeah, that was certainly an interesting thing |
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| 22:18.20 | brlcad | would have been nice to catch the take-down (if there was one) |
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| 22:18.36 | brlcad | ChipX86: scanlime been keeping busy? |
| 22:18.38 | ChipX86 | the guy got away. Hoping they caught him sometime after that |
| 22:18.39 | ChipX86 | always |
| 22:18.54 | brlcad | he also working on rb? |
| 22:18.59 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 22:19.05 | brlcad | ah, hm |
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| 22:19.09 | ChipX86 | I think he's on the project list |
| 22:19.15 | ChipX86 | but he doesn't actually code it |
| 22:19.31 | ChipX86 | we keep him too busy at work for that :) |
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| 22:21.42 | brlcad | purple cow was pimping it up last year a fair bit |
| 22:22.03 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:22.03 | ChipX86 | we keep pretty busy on the project.. it's practically a full-time job, without pay |
| 22:22.13 | brlcad | the best kind |
| 22:22.14 | brlcad | assuming it's rewarding ;) |
| 22:22.16 | ChipX86 | it is |
| 22:22.22 | ChipX86 | always fun to see big names using it |
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| 22:26.31 | lh | tkamppeter: yes |
| 22:28.29 | josstoto | hi all! I've got a simple question I can't get the answer on the FAQ |
| 22:30.00 | josstoto | do students need to go to work into the organization like an internship |
| 22:30.17 | brlcad | you work remotely, on-line |
| 22:31.01 | josstoto | ok that was my first guess |
| 22:31.13 | josstoto | and it's much better that way |
| 22:31.17 | josstoto | thank you |
| 22:31.45 | brlcad | notes that this is covered in the faq |
| 22:31.48 | brlcad | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_development_where_91701355_4247830955169275 |
| 22:32.21 | josstoto | section? |
| 22:32.29 | brlcad | what? |
| 22:32.41 | lh | josstoto: here's the link to the new faq: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#development_where |
| 22:32.41 | KillerX | (see link( |
| 22:32.45 | josstoto | which section ? |
| 22:33.13 | Mathiasdm | welterde: ah, you're here too :p |
| 22:33.18 | brlcad | it's a link directly to your question in the faq, you should be able to figure things out from there |
| 22:33.20 | josstoto | lol my mistake ;) |
| 22:33.23 | josstoto | thx |
| 22:33.35 | lh | all hail the faq |
| 22:33.47 | Landon | hail, faq |
| 22:34.11 | brlcad | josstoto: you really should read all of the faq before asking questions, not just skim through it ;) |
| 22:34.31 | brlcad | must remember the new url |
| 22:35.03 | lh | josstoto: yes, the faq is very helpful. and took a long time to write, too. :) |
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| 22:35.19 | Bertl | can I somehow add the backup group administrator lateron? i.e. I would hate to do the whole application (as organization) again when my 'backup' has created his link_id? |
| 22:35.25 | josstoto | I read it but I probably skip this part by mistake |
| 22:35.28 | mlankhorst | lh :O |
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| 22:36.14 | lh | Bertl: you can't add him for you. you can however edit the application later, so go ahead and submit now. |
| 22:36.27 | lh | mlankhorst: yo! |
| 22:36.36 | mlankhorst | ugh lemme guess, you're in a meeting ;p |
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| 22:37.09 | mlankhorst | kinda sucks I don't get to talk to you any more |
| 22:37.35 | lh | mlankhorst: i'm not ina meeting. |
| 22:37.40 | lh | or in a meeting |
| 22:37.44 | lh | :) |
| 22:37.46 | lh | waves |
| 22:37.50 | lh | come sit on the free couch |
| 22:38.07 | lh | :) |
| 22:38.07 | Ivanovic | ~faq |
| 22:38.08 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 22:38.08 | mlankhorst | hops on free couch, takes some free snacks |
| 22:38.08 | Bertl | okay, what is the 'application template' about? i.e. what do I have to put there? |
| 22:38.09 | mlankhorst | at least |
| 22:38.28 | lh | Bertl: if you have questions that you want all applicants to answer for example, put them there |
| 22:38.50 | Bertl | hmm, and if I don't have any? |
| 22:40.20 | dberkholz | lh: how are things going so far? |
| 22:40.29 | lh | dberkholz: groovy. |
| 22:40.36 | lh | Bertl: n/a is your friend |
| 22:40.52 | dberkholz | only another couple hours till you get a break, i guess. =) |
| 22:41.19 | dberkholz | looks at app engine downtime |
| 22:41.20 | lh | eh, gsoc never sleeps. |
| 22:41.47 | brlcad | woot |
| 22:41.48 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Naps sometimes though. Naps rock. |
| 22:41.59 | lh | wants nap |
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| 22:42.12 | lh | sleep patterns have been funked up lately. and not in the soothing barry white kinda way. |
| 22:42.22 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I had today off works and ended up in a 6 hours architectural meeting. I would LOVE a nap. |
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| 22:42.43 | dberkholz | facations ftl |
| 22:43.10 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you should totally go take one then. |
| 22:43.24 | lh | fluffs up new addition to channel, the sumo sack of nappage |
| 22:43.25 | lh | there you go |
| 22:43.42 | SRabbelier | lh: what we got up here by now? |
| 22:43.43 | ChipX86 | that sounds so good right now |
| 22:43.48 | SRabbelier | lh: I remember a couch |
| 22:44.21 | summatusmentis | the free couch is over there |
| 22:44.23 | summatusmentis | points |
| 22:44.32 | lh | SRabbelier: we have both |
| 22:44.38 | lh | why have one when you can have both? |
| 22:44.46 | lh | magics another sumo sack for ChipX86 |
| 22:44.51 | ChipX86 | thanks :) |
| 22:44.56 | ChipX86 | also, hi! |
| 22:44.57 | summatusmentis | besides, people napping will take up the couch |
| 22:45.04 | lh | waves to ChipX86 |
| 22:45.14 | lh | summatusmentis: exactly. |
| 22:45.18 | SRabbelier | couch.copy() ? |
| 22:45.19 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 22:45.41 | SRabbelier | couches = [couch.copy() for i in range(lots)] |
| 22:45.43 | SRabbelier | how's that? :D |
| 22:45.55 | SRabbelier | I reckon it'd get kinda crowded thoguh 0.o |
| 22:46.09 | MatthewWilkes | lh: :) I'm currently sitting in my fat boy elephant bean bag. It's big enough for me to sleep in quite comfortably, which is impressive |
| 22:46.36 | lh | distributes pre-nap time milk and cookies |
| 22:46.47 | lh | when i run the world, there will be mandatory "nap" time from 3-4 pm |
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| 22:46.49 | Ivanovic | lh: i am sure this question will annoy you, but after sending in (and if we are accepted and such) what will be the last date for edits of the "template" for students to fill out? |
| 22:46.50 | MatthewWilkes | 300USD, imported at the best point for exchange rates in the UK, then bought 2nd hand from my office. Winner! |
| 22:46.54 | SRabbelier | contemplates taking a long-running nap |
| 22:46.55 | brlcad | you have a bean bag made out of fattened baby elephants? |
| 22:46.59 | lh | you can read, nap, whatever. faciltiies will be provided. |
| 22:47.10 | lh | Ivanovic: deadline for mentor apps |
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| 22:47.13 | lh | and i am not annoyed |
| 22:47.17 | Ivanovic | since with our last years template we saw some problems and they will need "some more time" to be 100% solved |
| 22:47.21 | lh | MatthewWilkes: nicely done |
| 22:47.33 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic, lh: actually, you can edit the Template after you've been accepted and created your org I think? |
| 22:47.36 | Chainsaw | Say, that public e-mail for the organisation... do you mind if it's on another domain? |
| 22:48.10 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: i am not sure at all, that is why i am asking |
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| 22:48.25 | Ivanovic | i don't remember if this was possible last year or not |
| 22:48.47 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: I should have been more clear; unless I remember wrongly, you can |
| 22:49.08 | SRabbelier | aaaand, I did indeed remember correctly |
| 22:49.14 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Indeed. America has some excellent things to export. Personally I'm looking forward to the Plone training I'm doing in Indy later this year. I'm going to spend a LOT of money on reece's pieces |
| 22:49.23 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: so the answer is, you can change it as much as you want after you've been accepted |
| 22:49.23 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: great |
| 22:49.24 | Ivanovic | thanks |
| 22:49.33 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: but remember that students will only once have their application seeded with your template |
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| 22:49.47 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: so if you change it after they've started it won't magically update their application ;) |
| 22:50.02 | MatthewWilkes | EllenKo! Hello there |
| 22:50.03 | Ivanovic | so i won't have to concentrate on the template over the next days instead of getting the new stable line out... |
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| 22:50.06 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: I'd say that the student application period opening would be a pretty nice 'soft deadline' |
| 22:50.17 | Ivanovic | this is a clear deadline |
| 22:50.26 | EllenKo | Hello! |
| 22:50.28 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: well, having a good template makes your org application look stronger |
| 22:50.35 | Ivanovic | but we will ask students for some small patches just like last year to get an idea about their skills |
| 22:50.40 | Azkar | nice |
| 22:50.43 | Azkar | whoops |
| 22:50.51 | Ivanovic | and for this it is better not being right before a new stable line like we are atm |
| 22:50.52 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: unless you are very confident that your application will be accepted, it can never hurt to at least have something, no? |
| 22:51.14 | Ivanovic | we will have a template and it will be okay, but finetuning is always possible, isn't it? |
| 22:51.16 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 22:52.47 | brlcad | hi EllenKo! |
| 22:53.46 | SRabbelier | just came to the realization that lh was a CareBear in a previous life |
| 22:54.10 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: yup, correct! |
| 22:54.50 | mlankhorst | she's a caremother now :o |
| 22:55.06 | lh | SRabbelier: um no. |
| 22:55.06 | MatthewWilkes | oh, oh, oh, I found the BEST site today. Who likes cheese? |
| 22:55.06 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: lmao :D |
| 22:55.07 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: i decided to try that for gentoo this year too, based on the success i heard from other folks @ the summit |
| 22:55.07 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: I think we'd best run for it now |
| 22:55.07 | mlankhorst | we are all lh's children |
| 22:55.07 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: re asking for a small diff |
| 22:55.07 | Ivanovic | it really helps |
| 22:55.14 | Ivanovic | that is: it helps mentors to see what they are to expect |
| 22:55.17 | Ivanovic | and gives students a chance to have a look at the code |
| 22:55.17 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: or sheep, depending on who you ask :P |
| 22:55.17 | dberkholz | Ivanovic: the other thing i asked for is that they post to one of our mailing lists |
| 22:55.17 | lh | is open source den mother |
| 22:55.17 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.thecheeseshed.com/eighty-eight-450-p.asp <-- Cheese wedding cake. Not Wedding cheesecake. |
| 22:55.19 | lh | thank you, i'll be here all summer. |
| 22:55.24 | lh | omg. that is nasty. |
| 22:55.26 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: we are more about irc |
| 22:55.30 | lh | all y'all and your cheese. |
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| 22:55.33 | dberkholz | well, tell 'em to check in on irc |
| 22:55.38 | Ivanovic | we want to talk to the people on irc since we are working there all the time |
| 22:55.39 | SRabbelier | mlankhorst: oi! |
| 22:55.44 | Ivanovic | we do |
| 22:55.57 | dberkholz | the point was to get them communicating early on with the main project community |
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| 22:56.09 | SRabbelier | mutters |
| 22:56.21 | Ivanovic | that was the first comment we posted in every report (if they were not on irc so far), some plain "please join IRC on freenode, channame, and have a chat with us about your idea" |
| 22:56.50 | Ivanovic | and for us the main project community is basically the folks hanging out in #wesnoth-dev |
| 22:56.52 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:57.19 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: you can put stuff like that on your home page once you're accepted :) |
| 22:57.36 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: it is part of our ideas page |
| 22:58.00 | Ivanovic | the page lists "stuff a student should do", "possible ideas for projects" and a link to a page with "people to bug on irc" |
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| 22:58.02 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: that works too :) |
| 22:58.15 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: ah, I think we need such a list for #melange too |
| 22:58.16 | Ivanovic | yes, it worked well for us last year |
| 22:58.37 | SRabbelier | so what do y'all think of the app so far? :D |
| 22:58.42 | SRabbelier | performance wise? |
| 22:58.46 | SRabbelier | is it slow at all? |
| 22:59.08 | brlcad | mm, that reminds me that I need to update our various docs and wikis with new year gsoc info too |
| 22:59.13 | Ivanovic | has not really checked so far, just wrote a mail to the other wesnoth folks to have them have a look at our application pages |
| 23:00.01 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: yeah, it was a little slow |
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| 23:00.19 | dberkholz | not unusable or even really annoying, just noticeable |
| 23:00.24 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: any part in particular? |
| 23:00.33 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: ok, that's acceptable I guess |
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| 23:00.49 | dberkholz | most actions involving loading new pages seemed to take around half a second |
| 23:00.55 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: correct |
| 23:01.01 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's our "best" time for non-cached pages |
| 23:01.31 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: I don't think we can do much faster than that without spending some serious time on profiling and then optimizing the app |
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| 23:02.41 | dberkholz | the workaround would be doing some ajaxy popup real quick, and not making the background load happen any faster. dunno how that works with app engine |
| 23:03.13 | summatusmentis | wanders off to go be a good student |
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| 23:03.48 | VDVsx | ohh, the org application don't ask for the org mentors name's this year |
| 23:04.45 | z4chh | start of gsoc w00t w00t! |
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| 23:06.18 | z4chh | does a back flip |
| 23:06.19 | HerrJth | yeah, official start, are there any numbers how many projects applied this far? :D |
| 23:06.19 | mlankhorst | erm.. |
| 23:06.20 | mlankhorst | how do you want to know that if it's only been 3 hours since they can start to apply.. |
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| 23:07.12 | lh | 29 orgs have applied so far |
| 23:07.31 | z4chh | ;o! |
| 23:07.49 | spearce | heh. that's more than i expected this early. |
| 23:07.49 | HerrJth | 3 hours? err, wrong timezone. But 29 in ~3 hours is quite a lot i think O_O |
| 23:08.00 | lh | spearce: i am not surprised given how early we put the word out |
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| 23:08.06 | lh | and 1,554 visits to socghop.appspot.com so far |
| 23:08.13 | SRabbelier | HerrJth: that's for the orgs that prepared their application beforehand I reckon ;) |
| 23:08.13 | brlcad | yeesh, that's more than I would have expected |
| 23:08.31 | brlcad | won't have ours completed for a couple days |
| 23:08.45 | spearce | too |
| 23:09.04 | brlcad | hi spearce :) |
| 23:09.04 | lh | y'all have until friday. take your time. |
| 23:09.18 | spearce | frell, friday? i thought it was monday. better get working then. :-) |
| 23:09.18 | VDVsx | lh, is intentional, the no need of org mentors names in the org application ? |
| 23:09.23 | lh | spearce: yes, friday. |
| 23:09.34 | brlcad | should take bets on how many org apps are received, give the closest pick a t-shirt or something ;) |
| 23:09.36 | lh | here is a tasty page with just the timeline |
| 23:09.47 | lh | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 23:10.00 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, I think finishing my application is a tomorrow job, then, don't want to leave it too late |
| 23:10.06 | lh | brlcad: feel free to organize the betting pool. i'll provide the swag |
| 23:10.20 | spearce | not as tasty the pretzels on my desk. but thanks. :-) |
| 23:10.20 | lh | btw, someone want to submit the start of gsoc to /.? |
| 23:11.40 | SRabbelier | oh dear |
| 23:11.40 | SRabbelier | cowers |
| 23:11.40 | lh | spearce: mmmm pretzels |
| 23:11.46 | brlcad | ~spearce++ |
| 23:11.47 | lh | SRabbelier: stop cowering, we'll be fine. |
| 23:11.47 | mlankhorst | speaking of swag, I think people stole my google open source water bottle :( |
| 23:11.47 | brlcad | yay for using frell ;) |
| 23:11.47 | SRabbelier | lh: i hopez i hopez i hopez |
| 23:11.47 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: You'd only need to cower if the whitelisting hadn't gone through and they had your credit card ;) |
| 23:11.47 | lh | mlankhorst: i can get you a new one |
| 23:11.47 | lh | SRabbelier: it will be fine. really. |
| 23:11.47 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: about that... :P |
| 23:12.24 | SRabbelier | goes to tinyurl somethign |
| 23:12.24 | dberkholz | oh, nice |
| 23:12.24 | dberkholz | timeline on its own page rocks |
| 23:12.30 | SRabbelier | http://tinyurl.com/i-hopez |
| 23:12.30 | SRabbelier | :D |
| 23:13.30 | SRabbelier | update on the socghop.appspot.com stats: we've had 4.405 visits so far, and 17.538 pageviews |
| 23:13.58 | HerrJth | @SRabbelier: Yeah, my favorite org did some preparings too. Would be cool if they would be chosen. But anyways, read a lot of RFCs and finally took a look on cool C++ features so nothing is lost. I guess gsoc motivates a lot of people to learn cool stuff, chosen or not :D |
| 23:14.02 | smtms | let's count the visits to the Slashdot site :-P |
| 23:14.05 | SRabbelier | HerrJth: and otherwise there's always other awesome orgs out there ;) |
| 23:14.43 | danderson | SRabbelier: is that pageviews per second/minute/hour ? |
| 23:14.50 | SRabbelier | danderson: total |
| 23:14.53 | danderson | because 17.538 seems awfully... fractional :) |
| 23:15.00 | SRabbelier | 17538 |
| 23:15.04 | SRabbelier | stupid americans |
| 23:15.04 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I think you're the first person to be worried that google's cloud will crumble when running their app |
| 23:15.16 | danderson | oooh, that much |
| 23:15.22 | danderson | okay, that's better :P |
| 23:15.35 | lh | SRabbelier: i still dont see what you are seeing and i logged out and logged back in |
| 23:15.40 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: we used to take almost 10 seconds *PER REQUEST*, I have reasons to be worried |
| 23:15.46 | SRabbelier | lh: strange |
| 23:15.59 | lh | SRabbelier: boy howdy it is |
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| 23:16.05 | danderson | SRabbelier: is melange holding up so far? No massive influx of horrible bug reports? |
| 23:16.27 | SRabbelier | danderson: surprisingly I haven't seen any major show stoppers |
| 23:16.31 | SRabbelier | then again |
| 23:16.34 | SRabbelier | we did work our asses off :) |
| 23:16.38 | SRabbelier | so maybe that's paying off ;) |
| 23:16.45 | danderson | heh |
| 23:16.47 | danderson | again, well done |
| 23:16.56 | danderson | but yeah, it's always stressful the first time code goes live |
| 23:17.06 | DrJoel | hi i have a mentor on skype who is trying to register and i want to invite him to be back up admin and mentor for RTEMS. I don't see how to invite him to be a mentor. Help!?! |
| 23:17.11 | SRabbelier | lh: I can mail you a pdf export |
| 23:17.15 | danderson | I remember when the wiki on google code project hosting launched |
| 23:17.21 | SRabbelier | danderson: I noticed, I had no idea.. :) |
| 23:17.30 | lh | SRabbelier: go for it |
| 23:17.32 | danderson | I sat in front of the consoles for 2hrs biting my nails, waiting for the first showstopper bug reports :) |
| 23:18.03 | summatusmentis | does melange allow for reading of Google Groups from within the site? |
| 23:18.13 | SRabbelier | lh: mailed |
| 23:18.21 | SRabbelier | danderson: *grinS* |
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| 23:18.27 | SRabbelier | danderson: I totally feel your pain :D |
| 23:18.32 | SRabbelier | danderson: (also on the nail biting part :P) |
| 23:18.43 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: I didn't know there's an API for that? |
| 23:18.53 | lh | SRabbelier: danke |
| 23:18.55 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: I have no idea, would just be cool |
| 23:19.07 | summatusmentis | that's how I prefer to read the student mailing list stuff :) |
| 23:19.23 | summatusmentis | the thousands of emails every day gets big fast |
| 23:19.26 | danderson | SRabbelier: afaik, there is no "google groups API" |
| 23:19.38 | dberkholz | does melange integrate bespin and gerrit yet so i could have students do their entire projects in the webapp? |
| 23:19.47 | danderson | although if you want a quick fix, you could always pop groups into an iframe somewhere |
| 23:19.57 | MatthewWilkes | dberkholz: No, you're writing the patch though, right? |
| 23:19.58 | spearce | dberkholz: rofl. cute idea. :-) |
| 23:20.16 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: that's be a very nice GSoC project for Melangea ctually :P |
| 23:20.20 | SRabbelier | **actually |
| 23:20.22 | danderson | dberkholz: I think the goal is to get students to use the real project infrastructure, to get them to know the real open source world |
| 23:20.26 | danderson | rather than fence them into melange |
| 23:20.32 | dberkholz | heh. jk for anyone who took me seriously |
| 23:20.33 | danderson | then again, what do I know, the community is king :) |
| 23:20.56 | danderson | dberkholz: in my short and humble experience, the most tongue in cheek ideas sometimes turn out big |
| 23:21.02 | danderson | so I give a fair hearing to all :P |
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| 23:21.13 | SRabbelier | lol :) |
| 23:21.29 | danderson | I mean, a search-only interface to email |
| 23:21.31 | danderson | ridiculous! |
| 23:21.34 | danderson | right?... |
| 23:21.35 | danderson | :P |
| 23:21.40 | SRabbelier | laughs |
| 23:21.44 | SRabbelier | danderson: who would ever use that |
| 23:21.49 | SRabbelier | danderson: I mean , c'mon |
| 23:22.07 | danderson | yeah, I mean |
| 23:22.12 | SRabbelier | danderson: hosted by some company that's even _reading your emails_ to get targetted adds ?! |
| 23:22.14 | summatusmentis | but seriously though, if Google Groups can be read from melange, that'd be awesome |
| 23:22.15 | DrJoel | i added chrisjohns as our backup admin but he can't see our org's application. I wanted him to see it and review it. What do we need to do? |
| 23:22.19 | danderson | nobody ever tries to find an email they know they got 2 days ago and can't find ;) |
| 23:22.20 | dberkholz | danderson: just think about it. melange: your gateway to open source. literally. |
| 23:22.36 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: you can send him the public page I guess |
| 23:22.46 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: there's no way for him to edit it though |
| 23:22.59 | Catfish_Man | melange: you'll be addicted and see the future |
| 23:23.06 | danderson | dberkholz: "To join The Open Source Community, please register at melange.appspot.com" |
| 23:23.06 | dberkholz | i've been waffling over whether to get lunch or do work for so long, i need to just go get some food so i actually get stuff done |
| 23:23.13 | SRabbelier | danderson: NIIIICE :D |
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| 23:24.44 | lh | SRabbelier: oh i get it. i am quoting stats for today only. not concerned with before launch. :) |
| 23:25.28 | SRabbelier | lh: aah, how'd you do that? |
| 23:25.52 | lh | SRabbelier: you can adjust date of reporting in upper right corner calendar widgety thing |
| 23:25.55 | DrJoel | SRabbelier sorry if this is a repeat.. he sees nothing that indicates he is backup admin except that his link id is in the public page |
| 23:26.23 | SRabbelier | is totally new to this analytics stuff |
| 23:26.29 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: that is indeed correct |
| 23:27.28 | SRabbelier | lh: mhhh, why not include the pre-release period though? |
| 23:27.40 | SRabbelier | lh: a lot of people have been visiting the site back then to read the faq and whatnot |
| 23:28.20 | lh | SRabbelier: because i only care about today. you can feel free to care about what you'd like and run reports accordingly. ) |
| 23:28.29 | lh | s/)/:) |
| 23:28.32 | SRabbelier | lh: ok :D |
| 23:28.36 | SRabbelier | lh: fair enough ^_^ |
| 23:31.49 | Chainsaw | Hrm. All the fields have a nice mouse-over except for the application template. |
| 23:32.22 | Chainsaw | In what form will that show up to the student? In a textbox so they have to delete and overwrite parts of it? Above the textbox they'll be using? |
| 23:32.33 | dberkholz | Chainsaw: hey there! what project are you applying for? |
| 23:32.39 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: yeah, we the coders are not that good at stuff like that :) |
| 23:32.43 | Chainsaw | Hi there Donnie. |
| 23:32.47 | Chainsaw | Atheme.org again, just like 2008. |
| 23:32.55 | Chainsaw | We were there as Audacious media player in 2007. |
| 23:33.00 | dberkholz | oh right, audacious |
| 23:33.02 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: if you'd like to file a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 23:33.04 | Chainsaw | (Atheme is Audacious & friends) |
| 23:33.19 | dberkholz | i didn't realize the name changed, i use a boring old curses radio streamer |
| 23:33.21 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: and perhaps suggest some help text :) |
| 23:33.30 | Chainsaw | SRabbelier: Well, that's why I'm asking you see. |
| 23:33.50 | Chainsaw | SRabbelier: This is the one time where I could have used help text. I can't suggest anything unless I can see a screenshot of what it looks like to the student. |
| 23:34.01 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: aaaah |
| 23:34.12 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: your template will be included verbatim when the student creates their application |
| 23:35.00 | Chainsaw | SRabbelier: Alright, so we're talking about (tell us how you understand the proposal in your own words)-style cutouts that they'll overwrite. |
| 23:35.29 | danderson | Chainsaw: and/or a checklist of things you would like to see |
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| 23:35.40 | danderson | I believe Perl provided such a "rigid" template |
| 23:35.51 | danderson | their applications were a sort of Q&A |
| 23:36.01 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: yes, exactly |
| 23:36.04 | danderson | "What do you want to do", "how will this benefit the World", etc. |
| 23:36.18 | SRabbelier | danderson: the World? my friend, it will benefit the Galaxy! |
| 23:36.26 | Chainsaw | Mostly I just want to hear how the student understood the idea. |
| 23:36.27 | allman | by all. |
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| 23:37.14 | danderson | SRabbelier: I'm not mentoring a project on refining tetryon beam scanners to detect cloaked romulan warbirds. |
| 23:37.58 | danderson | (come to that, right now I'm not mentoring anything afaik, but that's another story) |
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| 23:38.26 | danderson | I'd apply my pet embedded project, but I explained to many people how a good SoC org should have a thriving community already |
| 23:38.29 | danderson | and, uh, well... :) |
| 23:38.39 | SRabbelier | danderson: hehehe, you're not? I'm dissapointed :P |
| 23:38.47 | Catfish_Man | danderson: what, you don't count as a thriving community? |
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| 23:39.03 | danderson | Catfish_Man: when I sometimes take a week to respond to email, not really :( |
| 23:39.08 | danderson | tempus fugit and all that |
| 23:39.52 | danderson | realistically, right now it'd be a really crappy project for people discovering open source. So, bleh :) |
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| 23:41.24 | modius | morning folks |
| 23:41.35 | Catfish_Man | hi modius |
| 23:41.45 | modius | anyone out there from google that can help with a couple of questions re: mentor application? |
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| 23:42.30 | tjohns | modius: What's the question? ;) |
| 23:42.31 | modius | we seem to have moved from mentors and students.. to something like contributors and members |
| 23:42.44 | modius | which is which? ;) |
| 23:42.52 | dberkholz | the mouseover popup tells you |
| 23:42.59 | dberkholz | although i do find the terms very confusing too |
| 23:43.37 | dberkholz | after i submitted, i just about freaked out because i thought i filled in the wrong answer for how members are selected. got confused about which ones they were |
| 23:43.52 | modius | ah.. in the form itself... thanks.. copied all the qu out to write up the thing separate from the form.. |
| 23:44.03 | modius | very annoying that you can't partially complete application this year |
| 23:44.18 | lh | you can save it and edit it later. fill it in with bunk data for now. |
| 23:44.21 | lh | workarounds ++ |
| 23:45.23 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: please submit a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue and ask it to be either re-worded or explained int he documentation |
| 23:45.44 | modius | putting all the qu out into a wiki so we can garner some feedback from our greater community first |
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