| 00:02.26 | ojwb | hmm |
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| 00:02.48 | ojwb | finally sit down to write the org application and ... firefox crashes before i even start |
| 00:02.56 | ojwb | better than with a heap of text entered I guess |
| 00:02.59 | jonnymind | Goodnight to all! |
| 00:03.05 | impl | (this is ours if you're interested: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2009/StudentApplicationTemplate) |
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| 00:03.05 | MatthewWilkes | gwoo: Ours is at http://paste.plone.org/26894 |
| 00:03.21 | impl | MatthewWilkes: I get a DB error D: |
| 00:03.35 | MatthewWilkes | impl: Just refresh |
| 00:03.48 | MatthewWilkes | impl: PasteBin isn't always reliable ;) |
| 00:03.59 | impl | ah :P |
| 00:04.13 | gwoo | MatthewWilkes: nice, thanks for that. Good questions and easily adaptable |
| 00:04.32 | gwoo | im adding "Who is your favorite community member?" |
| 00:04.40 | MatthewWilkes | HEHE |
| 00:04.42 | MatthewWilkes | hehe* |
| 00:05.01 | impl | I think "Will Summer of Code be the main focus of your time? If not, how much time will you devote to your project per week?" is probably one of the most important questions to ask |
| 00:05.23 | impl | From an administrative perspective, at least |
| 00:06.37 | MatthewWilkes | Last year we didn't use a template, I think that was a mistake |
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| 00:11.13 | gwoo | here is what i have so far: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/363398209 |
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| 00:15.12 | impl | gwoo: oh, cool, you're the CakePHP guy :) |
| 00:15.26 | impl | gwoo: That looks like a pretty good start to me |
| 00:15.35 | gwoo | impl: nice thanks for the extra eyes |
| 00:15.52 | gwoo | impl: yeah for better or worse CakePHP is my baby :) |
| 00:16.50 | impl | gwoo: I think you could augment your experience section by asking if they've worked on other non-CakePHP projects |
| 00:17.05 | gwoo | oo good idea |
| 00:17.20 | MatthewWilkes | gwoo: Ah cool, I've heard good things. I'm terrified of PHP, but I've heard them :) |
| 00:17.27 | gwoo | hehe |
| 00:17.51 | MatthewWilkes | I can't help but think of the BBSpot article |
| 00:17.56 | ojwb | it is terrifying! |
| 00:18.02 | MatthewWilkes | That deliberately confuses PHP and PCP |
| 00:18.03 | impl | MatthewWilkes: hahah |
| 00:18.11 | jasebo | hi everyone |
| 00:18.22 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/6/php_suspend.html |
| 00:19.06 | impl | MatthewWilkes: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/373225236_8c66202514_o.jpg |
| 00:19.21 | impl | :oD |
| 00:19.28 | jasebo | does the student application have to be a document? Can it be an online survey? |
| 00:19.29 | Landon | ~logs |
| 00:19.30 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 00:19.31 | gwoo | impl: that is one of my favs |
| 00:19.36 | Landon | aw |
| 00:19.39 | Landon | it doesnt have my site in it :( |
| 00:20.04 | impl | gwoo: Yeah, they're both quite nice really |
| 00:23.06 | ojwb | notices that the "Google Summer of Code 2009 Mentor Organization Participant Agreement" seems to require you to be 18 or over too |
| 00:23.25 | ojwb | so no dimitri this year I guess |
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| 00:47.10 | ojwb | hmm |
| 00:47.23 | ojwb | so I can't save the org app without entering a backup admin link ID |
| 00:47.37 | ojwb | and my backup admin is 13 timezones away, and so asleep |
| 00:48.34 | ojwb | anyone here ok to be a placeholder? seems rude to put someone random without asking, as I guess it might show up in their profile |
| 00:48.49 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: It's an optional field, I didn't list one |
| 00:49.08 | ojwb | tries |
| 00:49.19 | ojwb | ah yes, I entered "-" like in all the required fields |
| 00:49.29 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: thanks for pointing that out! |
| 00:49.46 | ojwb | so that's my application submitted - now I just need to write it |
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| 00:52.50 | jasebo | Landon: were you telling me to look through logs for my answer? |
| 00:53.44 | impl | ojwb: what org are you with, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 00:56.29 | dmitrig01|afk | ojwb: SERIOUSLY? |
| 00:56.31 | dmitrig01|afk | ojwb: THAT SUCKS! |
| 00:56.42 | dmitrig01|afk | ojwb: link pls, i wanna talk to leslie |
| 00:57.10 | dmitrig01|afk | ojwb: nm, found it |
| 00:59.56 | ojwb | dmitrig01|afk: maybe I misinterpreted it |
| 01:00.12 | dmitrig01|afk | ojwb: i just emailed leslie |
| 01:00.24 | ojwb | impl: Xapian |
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| 01:01.20 | ojwb | dmitrig01|afk: it's a shame if it's true, I thought it was kind of cool that you were too young for ghop, so mentored for soc (if I remember right) |
| 01:01.29 | impl | ojwb: ah, cool |
| 01:01.52 | ojwb | probably just lawyers being lawyers and can be sorted out - lh seems very proud of you |
| 01:03.20 | ojwb | jasebo: I think he probably was - nobody awake seems to know the answer... |
| 01:03.49 | jasebo | thx ojwb :-) |
| 01:04.24 | ojwb | i think a document that can be filled in offline might encourage more time to be spent on it though |
| 01:04.37 | jasebo | good point |
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| 01:05.00 | ojwb | especially if it's a form you can't go back and edit, like the google docs ones seem to be |
| 01:05.06 | jasebo | we're an online survey tool ... it seems almost evil not to use ourselves for the application :-) |
| 01:05.11 | ojwb | ah! |
| 01:05.17 | ojwb | eat your own dogfood and that |
| 01:05.21 | jasebo | yep! |
| 01:05.23 | jasebo | still, this is not a survey |
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| 01:09.30 | gwoo | ojwb: Under 18 is considered a minor and minors cannot enter into legally binding contracts |
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| 01:10.05 | ojwb | gwoo: well, dimitri *was* a mentor last year... |
| 01:10.12 | ojwb | and he was even more under 18 then! |
| 01:10.15 | gwoo | ojwb: so you suspicion of lawyers being lawyers |
| 01:10.29 | gwoo | google should fire last years lawyers |
| 01:10.30 | ojwb | oh, i see what you mean |
| 01:10.31 | gwoo | hahaha |
| 01:10.51 | ojwb | perhaps his parent/guardian can accept/sign on his behalf or something |
| 01:10.59 | gwoo | exactly |
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| 01:11.27 | gwoo | im surprised that Google would not have provided for that |
| 01:11.34 | gwoo | but maybe it is not built into melange yet |
| 01:11.52 | ojwb | it's an edge case really |
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| 01:12.24 | ojwb | easiest to just handle specially, at least while melange is at this stage |
| 01:12.44 | gwoo | i would guess its an edge case for mentors |
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| 01:12.57 | gwoo | but for student participants not as much |
| 01:13.11 | gwoo | and they would probably need to "agree" to something |
| 01:13.30 | ojwb | yeah, I recall trouble with this running a university outdoor society |
| 01:13.55 | ojwb | students under 18 were a bit awkward to deal with |
| 01:14.22 | ojwb | though it usually fixed itself a few months in |
| 01:14.27 | gwoo | send them home with a permission slip |
| 01:17.38 | dberkholz | students have some kind of deadline that i'm guessing is before some time period relevant to their acceptance of that contract |
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| 01:22.21 | gwoo | ojwb: do you know if saving the application is enough to make sure it gets to the right eyes? |
| 01:23.21 | ojwb | saving it and waiting under the weekend |
| 01:23.44 | ojwb | lh said they'd go through them on Monday IIRC |
| 01:24.10 | ojwb | but I suspect submitting won't work after the deadline even if before then |
| 01:24.19 | gwoo | excellent |
| 01:24.22 | gwoo | i saved it |
| 01:24.38 | gwoo | so i'll do the ole wait and see |
| 01:24.51 | ojwb | which project are you with? |
| 01:25.00 | gwoo | CakePHP |
| 01:25.14 | ojwb | ah yes, you said earlier |
| 01:25.20 | ojwb | likes cake |
| 01:25.59 | gwoo | hehe |
| 01:27.00 | unimauro | hi somebody from Peru ? |
| 01:27.18 | crosvera | from Chile =) |
| 01:27.43 | unimauro | crosvera, nice too meet you |
| 01:28.41 | crosvera | nice to meet you too |
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| 01:37.17 | jasebo | likes CakePHP too |
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| 01:57.55 | grim | so another developer applied for our project's inclusion, he added me as a backup admin, but i'm not seeing anything in melange |
| 01:59.07 | MatthewWilkes | grim: The backup admin stuff is processed if you're accepted |
| 01:59.10 | grim | ah, nevermind, just saw it in the userguide.. |
| 01:59.26 | grim | MatthewWilkes: yeah, i just found the whole bit about mentors using the site |
| 01:59.29 | grim | thanks though :) |
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| 02:39.41 | Landon | jasebo: late reply, but no, I was just looking for myself |
| 02:42.30 | dmitrig01|afk | ojwb: i mentored soc and ghop |
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| 02:43.33 | ojwb | dmitrig01|afk: ah ok - cool |
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| 02:49.09 | fu[h]ry | hey, lotsa people in here. question. |
| 02:49.26 | ojwb | no, that's not a question |
| 02:49.30 | ojwb | it's a statement |
| 02:49.30 | fu[h]ry | i'm a senior in high school, accepted to (*counts*) 5 colleges |
| 02:49.41 | danderson | in 25 |
| 02:49.43 | danderson | fail |
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| 02:49.57 | fu[h]ry | can i still enroll in GSoC as a student despite having not started college yet? |
| 02:50.04 | ojwb | ~faq |
| 02:50.05 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 02:50.10 | fu[h]ry | looked through that |
| 02:50.12 | Ori_B | yes, so long as you're older than 18. |
| 02:50.21 | ojwb | fu[h]ry: the full answer is there |
| 02:50.53 | ojwb | you need to be able to show confirmation by some date |
| 02:51.06 | ojwb | and be over 18 by april something as Ori_B says |
| 02:51.22 | scorche | fu[h]ry: you might need to look a bit harder then ;) ...but yes you can still participate if you are 18 and have a sheet of paper from the school that says you are *enrolled* |
| 02:51.31 | dberkholz | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#not_attending4~ |
| 02:51.35 | dberkholz | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#not_attending |
| 02:51.40 | dberkholz | sorry i suck at paste |
| 02:52.00 | impl | I used to get paste all over my hands and then peel it off |
| 02:52.19 | LawnGnome | impl: Really? I just used to eat it. |
| 02:52.20 | Landon | I used to lick it |
| 02:52.21 | Landon | no taste |
| 02:52.29 | impl | I liked to peel it. |
| 02:52.37 | impl | I probably ended up eating it :\ |
| 02:52.44 | fu[h]ry | inhaling its vapors can be fun from what i've heard. |
| 02:53.07 | LawnGnome | I hear huffing kittens is kinda cool. |
| 02:53.12 | fu[h]ry | ok, that answers one question then. the other question i have is, i'm running an open source PHP/MySQL CMS project that is small and needs some help with plugins and themes, so one other person in the project suggested that we join as a mentoring organization. |
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| 02:53.32 | scorche | doesnt see a question there either |
| 02:53.49 | impl | s/\./?/g |
| 02:53.54 | impl | WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW |
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| 02:54.10 | devilsadvocate | :D |
| 02:54.21 | scorche | ok...i see a question mark there now...still no question though =P |
| 02:54.36 | impl | :oD |
| 02:55.05 | fu[h]ry | so, while we do meet the eligibility requirements, do you guys think this is something that would be wise for us considering the fact that the two major project contributors are 18 (myself) and 17 (QA and marketing advisor)? |
| 02:55.10 | Ori_B | fu[h]ry: you can always apply, but Google prefers to select organizations that are well established and in a good position to mentor students. |
| 02:55.17 | Ori_B | it can't hurt to apply, of course. |
| 02:56.10 | dberkholz | they might select a smaller one if it looks stable (i.e., it will be around for a while) and you can justify that you will have time to mentor students |
| 02:56.33 | fu[h]ry | project's been alive since '06, and we have a couple different organizations currently supporting us with resources (mainly hosting) |
| 02:57.01 | impl | can we see it? :D |
| 02:57.03 | dberkholz | i think a decent example of that is adium |
| 02:57.15 | Catfish_Man | looks up |
| 02:57.22 | fu[h]ry | impl: http://enanocms.org/ |
| 02:57.27 | impl | Catfish_Man: No lookin' 'round these parts. |
| 02:57.53 | fu[h]ry | NetworkRedux is doing our production hosting, and a couple of shared hosts have given us shared hosting accounts that we use to test under specific scenarios |
| 02:58.01 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: actually we're considering not applying now that we're down to two active people :/ |
| 02:58.07 | Catfish_Man | prior years we had quite a few more |
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| 02:58.31 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: yeah, i've seen the discussions in the past couple months here |
| 02:58.59 | dberkholz | Catfish_Man: sounds like the primary contributor should do 2/3 as much during a summer in an effort to pick up 1-2 new core people |
| 02:59.25 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: maybe. I've found that activity leads to activity though |
| 02:59.27 | impl | fu[h]ry: This seems sane. Nice Website, good usage of version control. How big is the community? |
| 02:59.36 | Catfish_Man | one person gets out of a dry spell and others notice and do too |
| 03:00.02 | fu[h]ry | impl: smaller than we want it to be. |
| 03:00.11 | dberkholz | sure, you can't just stop committing altogether to mentor peopl |
| 03:00.15 | dberkholz | +e |
| 03:00.39 | impl | fu[h]ry: Okay, hmm, I know what that's like. How /is/ the community? Can you find 4 or 5 good mentors? |
| 03:00.49 | impl | (including yourselves) |
| 03:02.21 | fu[h]ry | well, me and Neal would definitely be able to mentor. i can think of one other person that would be interested though i haven't seen him around the forums lately |
| 03:03.58 | impl | I think it's worth a try. You're going to have to make a really strong case for it, though. |
| 03:04.06 | impl | Also keep in mind you can't be a mentor and a student at the same time |
| 03:04.16 | fu[h]ry | right |
| 03:04.33 | ojwb | and mentors may need to be over 18 |
| 03:04.36 | fu[h]ry | i've landed a job elsewhere that will hopefully take care of my need for a new computer before college |
| 03:04.41 | ojwb | though dimitri is checking that |
| 03:04.53 | impl | ojwb: I think they'll probably make exceptions for that |
| 03:05.19 | ojwb | seems likely, but I thought it worth mentioning |
| 03:05.35 | fu[h]ry | two bulky CRTs and a noisy box from what i've heard doesn't typically go down well with potential roommates :) |
| 03:05.51 | impl | fu[h]ry: My roommate lets me run a 48-port Cisco switch in our room |
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| 03:06.11 | impl | if you know anything about those, they sound like a small train |
| 03:06.13 | LawnGnome | impl: 48 port?! |
| 03:06.16 | JeffM | mentor's have to be over 18, this that new this year? |
| 03:06.21 | impl | LawnGnome: It was cheap. |
| 03:06.28 | impl | :> |
| 03:06.32 | LawnGnome | Of... course. :) |
| 03:06.37 | fu[h]ry | impl: of those 48 ports, how many do you use? |
| 03:06.43 | impl | like, 8 |
| 03:06.50 | impl | :oD |
| 03:06.55 | ojwb | JeffM: that's what the legal agreement thing seems to require |
| 03:06.57 | fu[h]ry | lol. |
| 03:07.18 | ojwb | but dimitri mentored last year and has sent a mail to lh to see |
| 03:07.33 | JeffM | ojwb: must be new, cus there was a mentor at the summit last year that was still in high school. he was too young to be a student so he mentored |
| 03:07.34 | JeffM | yeah |
| 03:07.34 | fu[h]ry | i could see myself running a small datacenter from my dorm, as white noise and blinken' lights are known to lull a netgeek to sleep |
| 03:07.43 | JeffM | I bet a parrent can sign the legals for them |
| 03:07.45 | ojwb | JeffM: that's dimitri... |
| 03:07.56 | JeffM | indeed, I coudl not remember the name :) |
| 03:08.15 | impl | fu[h]ry: A guy used to run a fairly large DC out of his basement |
| 03:08.17 | JeffM | too much math today, roted my brain |
| 03:08.20 | impl | "Foonet", you might have heard of it |
| 03:08.25 | impl | then he got raided by the FBI |
| 03:08.34 | impl | :x |
| 03:08.36 | fu[h]ry | whoops. |
| 03:08.53 | impl | quite |
| 03:09.13 | fu[h]ry | was probably taking colo requests from shady people. |
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| 03:09.44 | impl | He was orchestrating some large botnet attacks, iirc. |
| 03:09.54 | fu[h]ry | oh |
| 03:10.04 | fu[h]ry | that'll get you attention too, i suppose |
| 03:10.11 | impl | sure does :P |
| 03:10.56 | fu[h]ry | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Foonet |
| 03:10.59 | fu[h]ry | this says it all :) |
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| 03:12.22 | impl | hehe |
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| 03:13.51 | fu[h]ry | i've only found two colleges that have native IPv6, and of those, i can afford one. |
| 03:14.42 | impl | haha, which two? |
| 03:14.49 | fu[h]ry | Kent State U and RIT |
| 03:14.58 | fu[h]ry | at least, i'm pretty sure RIT has native IPv6 |
| 03:15.19 | impl | I wasn't aware any had implemented it yet |
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| 03:15.30 | impl | Last I heard it was still open for discussion on Internet2 forums |
| 03:15.37 | impl | but that's pretty cool |
| 03:16.01 | fu[h]ry | i'm willing to sit out from Internet2, as i'm still trying to master how the first one works. |
| 03:16.12 | fu[h]ry | i couldn't tell you a thing about dynamic routing or BGP at this point |
| 03:16.47 | Catfish_Man | http://www.personal.psu.edu/dvm105/blogs/ipv6/2008/06/an-internet2-ipv6-milestone.html |
| 03:17.29 | fu[h]ry | i'd imagine any good school will give you your own /96 or /80 if you're in a CS program |
| 03:18.03 | Landon | until housing gets ahold of you |
| 03:18.26 | Landon | I'm limited to 4 "devices" I think |
| 03:18.34 | jasebo | Landon: re reply earlier - thx for looking :-) |
| 03:18.37 | impl | The reason my school hasn't implemented IPv6 is because their network filtering hardware doesn't support it, from what I heard |
| 03:18.47 | impl | but I suspect it's more because they just don't want to bother with it |
| 03:18.48 | Landon | I was going to be getting ipv6 on my VPS |
| 03:19.04 | Landon | but they couldn't find the reason to bother with it yet |
| 03:19.21 | fu[h]ry | i use SSH for VPNing, and it's configured for layer 2 tunneling |
| 03:19.28 | impl | http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html <-- my school's networking. |
| 03:19.36 | impl | a great read if you've never read it before. |
| 03:20.12 | fu[h]ry | so all else fails, i can get a faster net connection from home, VPN in, and do everything through that |
| 03:23.40 | fu[h]ry | impl: hah, nice. |
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| 03:23.57 | impl | yeah :P |
| 03:24.03 | Catfish_Man | that is awesome |
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| 03:24.27 | zwanderer | hi there anyone around ? |
| 03:24.32 | fu[h]ry | perhaps |
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| 03:25.01 | zwanderer | is NUIGroup going to be a participating organization at GSoc this year ? am wondering |
| 03:25.45 | fu[h]ry | Hey man! Look at me rockin' out, I'm on the radiooooooo! |
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| 03:26.30 | zwanderer | any mentors out here ? |
| 03:27.13 | fu[h]ry | is oscillating between "mentor" and "student" |
| 03:27.33 | Catfish_Man | zwanderer: we won't know until organizations are accepted |
| 03:28.29 | fu[h]ry | wanders off to look for and play with that compiz plugin that allows rotating and zooming individual windows |
| 03:29.28 | fu[h]ry | plays System of a Down - Violent Pornography |
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| 03:29.52 | Landon | fu[h]ry: would you say... that you like violent pornography? |
| 03:30.18 | fu[h]ry | it's a good song :) |
| 03:30.28 | Landon | (too comical to pass up) |
| 03:30.29 | fu[h]ry | It's a violent pornography |
| 03:30.34 | fu[h]ry | Chockin' chicks and sodomy, |
| 03:30.39 | fu[h]ry | The kinda sh-t you get on your TV! |
| 03:30.50 | Catfish_Man | fu[h]ry: could we keep things at least vaguely on topic? |
| 03:31.26 | fu[h]ry | sure, though i'm not sure how sendmail horror stories are on topic :) |
| 03:31.40 | Landon | they're geeky :P |
| 03:31.44 | Landon | geeky awesome |
| 03:31.47 | Catfish_Man | hence the "vaguely" |
| 03:31.48 | impl | :oP |
| 03:31.50 | fu[h]ry | and violent pornography isn't? |
| 03:31.58 | impl | Hmm |
| 03:32.01 | fu[h]ry | (joking, joking) |
| 03:32.01 | Catfish_Man | spamming song lyrics into the channel is generally offtopic regardless |
| 03:32.25 | impl | What about posting geeky porn into the channel? |
| 03:32.29 | impl | ducks |
| 03:32.38 | Catfish_Man | maybe not off topic, but definitely against the rules ;) |
| 03:32.48 | impl | hehe |
| 03:33.10 | fu[h]ry | why is PCLinuxOS making /.? |
| 03:33.35 | Landon | linux |
| 03:33.42 | fu[h]ry | barely. |
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| 03:35.15 | impl | Other news on Slashdot: You can power 20 vacuum cleaners for 10 seconds with new lithium-ion batteries! |
| 03:35.45 | fu[h]ry | yeah, i read that. i'm like, "why again does this matter?" |
| 03:35.57 | impl | I mean it's cool in a sense |
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| 03:36.02 | impl | Imagine the sucking power. |
| 03:36.38 | fu[h]ry | "Berners-Lee Says No To Internet Snooping" -> i'm shocked. really? the founder of the internet being pro net neutrality? noooo. |
| 03:36.49 | impl | s/internet/Web/ |
| 03:36.54 | impl | :> |
| 03:37.31 | fu[h]ry | excuse me while i make a hot pocket, i haven't eaten since about noon today. |
| 03:37.59 | Landon | impl: I see your substitution and raise you an interwebz |
| 03:38.19 | impl | webtarwebz |
| 03:38.28 | impl | :O |
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| 03:38.36 | jasebo | if you had 20 vacuum cleaners that you wanted to power for 10 seconds, you'd love that news |
| 03:38.50 | Landon | is true |
| 03:39.17 | jasebo | those of us with 30 vacuum cleaners remain on standby for good news, sadly |
| 03:39.29 | Landon | I'm sure we could power them for 6.6 seconds |
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| 03:40.24 | impl | The battery doesn't discharge that quickly :( |
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| 03:49.27 | jasebo | does anyone know what time the application process finishes? |
| 03:49.40 | impl | ~faq |
| 03:49.41 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 03:49.41 | Ori_B | !timeline |
| 03:49.43 | jasebo | I know it's the 12th of March.. but I'm in Australia and it's already 12 March |
| 03:49.45 | jasebo | :-) |
| 03:49.57 | impl | 13 March, 17.00 UTC |
| 03:50.02 | impl | iirc. |
| 03:50.11 | jasebo | woohoo |
| 03:50.23 | jasebo | so happy to be so wrong |
| 03:50.30 | xzilla | still have time to procrastinate |
| 03:50.40 | Actown | lol |
| 03:50.41 | jasebo | right, it's off to my vacuum cleaner project again |
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| 03:51.40 | thebolt | thanks google/open source office/people for putting times & dates both in PST/PDT and UTC |
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| 03:52.37 | ojwb | except when the two don't agree... |
| 03:54.10 | summatusmentis | hi all |
| 03:55.06 | snake_ | hi |
| 03:55.13 | jasebo | hi |
| 03:55.42 | summatusmentis | how're you? |
| 03:57.03 | Landon | hiyaool |
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| 04:43.55 | Sikosis | "Google looks set to bring its famous Summer of Code program down under as well." <-- guess no one has any idea why that never happened ??? |
| 04:44.12 | jasebo | that'd be great |
| 04:44.27 | jasebo | how do you know this? |
| 04:45.03 | ojwb | well, aside from it not being summer here during GSoC, it's already down here... |
| 04:45.19 | Sikosis | it was mentioned a few times in 2008 on news sites and when google came to our university to talk about something else I asked and they said something should happen by the end of the year |
| 04:45.52 | Sikosis | but that was 2008 and we're now no longer in summer ... we're in Autumn |
| 04:45.57 | jasebo | lol |
| 04:46.02 | impl | probably the economy failed |
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| 04:46.29 | ojwb | ah, you mean run a "southern summer" of code, to coincide better with university summer vacations? |
| 04:46.46 | summatusmentis | Landon: you around? |
| 04:47.00 | Sikosis | yeh no doubt ... |
| 04:47.14 | jasebo | do they have seperate SOC's in other countries than the US? |
| 04:47.30 | ojwb | no, but you don't have to be in the US to take part |
| 04:47.33 | Sikosis | ojwb: yeh ... so confusing when ppl use seasons ... since they only apply to half the hemisphere |
| 04:47.39 | ojwb | most students weren't last year |
| 04:48.17 | ojwb | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/04/two-top-10s-for-google-summer-of-code.html |
| 04:48.36 | Landon | summatusmentis: gnip gnop |
| 04:48.47 | jasebo | we're pretty used to the whole opposite seasons thing, here in Aus |
| 04:49.05 | jasebo | what with Santa, and snow and all that! |
| 04:49.07 | Sikosis | true ... thats why I prefer to call Google's Winter of Code |
| 04:49.22 | ojwb | Sikosis: I find it confusing that the seasons and hours are different but they don't change round the months or compass directions |
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| 04:49.40 | jasebo | yeah.. I mean, everyone knows that January is HOT :-) |
| 04:49.46 | ojwb | so the sun is north at noon, but it's summer in december |
| 04:50.42 | ojwb | but I'm quite new to this hemisphere |
| 04:51.20 | summatusmentis | Landon: never mind, I figured it out. You're running a static thing on your site aren't you? |
| 04:51.28 | Landon | "static thing" |
| 04:51.33 | Landon | my website is fairly static, yeah :P |
| 04:51.36 | summatusmentis | as in, not a CMS |
| 04:51.44 | Landon | yeah, not for my main site |
| 04:51.46 | Landon | well |
| 04:51.48 | Landon | not for my blog either |
| 04:51.48 | Landon | heh |
| 04:51.53 | Landon | using nanoblogger for that |
| 04:51.53 | snake_ | no jan is cold here |
| 04:51.59 | Landon | kind of a pain though, I'd like to switch |
| 04:52.09 | summatusmentis | I'm contemplating a 'professional' site, then having a blog |
| 04:52.24 | Landon | yeah, lfowles is my professional site |
| 04:52.28 | Landon | I need to fix upa projects page |
| 04:52.35 | Landon | and I also have blog.lfowles |
| 04:52.36 | summatusmentis | maybe a professional site, with a professional blog (listing projects etc.), and a personal site |
| 04:52.37 | Landon | unlinked from the main page |
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| 04:54.32 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 04:54.56 | summatusmentis | I don't wanna be coding HTML by hand |
| 04:55.29 | Landon | eh |
| 04:55.33 | Landon | just get a template up |
| 04:55.34 | Landon | then is ez |
| 04:55.35 | Landon | :P |
| 04:55.43 | summatusmentis | yeah, but... but... |
| 04:55.50 | Landon | I might make my projects page in python |
| 04:55.54 | Landon | I dont need a fullblown cms |
| 04:56.08 | Landon | just something to simplify the html |
| 04:56.19 | impl | What's that neat HTML-syntax thing for Ruby? |
| 04:56.43 | impl | That allows you to write HTML just using Ruby syntax |
| 04:57.32 | lut4rp | what's the point there? generate a language using another language? :) |
| 04:57.45 | impl | Something like that |
| 04:58.10 | Landon | lut4rp: I'd like to tell you about this cnocept I thought up the other day :P |
| 04:58.18 | Landon | is called compiling :p |
| 04:58.24 | lut4rp | lol |
| 04:58.42 | lut4rp | Landon: to tell you the truth, i have a friend |
| 04:58.44 | Landon | I suppose assembly would count as well |
| 04:58.47 | lut4rp | who has done a program |
| 04:58.51 | summatusmentis | I really need to figure out what I want my site to be (or which domains I want to be what) before I start working on all of this |
| 04:58.53 | Landon | since its not a 1:1 map |
| 04:59.09 | Landon | summatusmentis: thinking up a domain is hard |
| 04:59.09 | lut4rp | which actually generates Django code using Ruby :) coz he only knew Ruby and likes it so much :P |
| 04:59.10 | Landon | :\ |
| 04:59.14 | Landon | heh |
| 04:59.19 | ecin | impl: markaby? |
| 04:59.20 | summatusmentis | Landon: I've got 9 domains :) |
| 04:59.32 | ecin | impl: haml? |
| 04:59.34 | lut4rp | :p |
| 04:59.47 | impl | ecin: I was thinking of haml, but markaby looks cool too |
| 05:00.09 | summatusmentis | thebault-spieker{.com,.net.org}, thebaultspieker{.com,.net.org}, summatusmentis{.com,.net.org} |
| 05:00.35 | Landon | summatusmentis: holy mackaroly |
| 05:00.38 | impl | doesn't do Ruby, but thinks the stuff you can do with it is quite neat |
| 05:00.39 | lut4rp | OMG. |
| 05:00.49 | Landon | why so many for spieker ? |
| 05:00.53 | lut4rp | summatusmentis: man, are you loving your identity or what! |
| 05:00.56 | summatusmentis | Landon: yeh, well, my mom and dad have considered professional sites too |
| 05:01.04 | summatusmentis | and squatting :) |
| 05:01.08 | Landon | heh |
| 05:01.14 | Landon | I'm too lazy to squat |
| 05:01.22 | summatusmentis | making sure evil ad companies don't steal them |
| 05:01.23 | Landon | if you cant figure otu that .org means .org then you dont need to be on my site |
| 05:01.24 | Landon | :) |
| 05:01.33 | Landon | if you can't remember the TLD of my site, use google |
| 05:01.52 | Landon | first result for lfowles |
| 05:02.12 | impl | People are too stupid to do that. |
| 05:02.13 | Landon | heh, lots of notmes in there :( |
| 05:02.21 | Landon | impl: they dont need to visit my site then |
| 05:02.22 | impl | People Google shit like 'www.ebay.com' |
| 05:02.25 | Landon | or be my employer! |
| 05:02.31 | Landon | impl: I do that sometimes |
| 05:02.33 | Landon | like |
| 05:02.35 | Landon | google ebay |
| 05:02.36 | Landon | so I have a link |
| 05:02.46 | impl | Yeah, but they literally google it with the www. and the .com |
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| 05:05.23 | ojwb | that might be stupid nanny filters |
| 05:05.44 | ojwb | I've seen machines locked down so you can't typed in an address, but can google for it and click a link in a search engine |
| 05:06.02 | impl | I think people are just honestly that stupid. |
| 05:06.07 | Catfish_Man | ojwb: the reason my parents do it sometimes is just laziness |
| 05:06.08 | ojwb | well, I am |
| 05:06.15 | ojwb | but other people may have reasons |
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| 05:06.27 | impl | lawl |
| 05:06.44 | impl | Sorry, I can't give society at large that much credit ;p |
| 05:06.55 | jasebo | they have google as their home page |
| 05:07.02 | jasebo | and they type it in, confusing the search for their address bar |
| 05:07.14 | jasebo | not stupid - it just works for them.. so why change it |
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| 05:22.18 | Mindless` | what's the probability that a student will be accepted for GSoC? if I have a bit of experience contributing to open-source projects, do I have a good chance? |
| 05:22.48 | cjhopman | 100% |
| 05:23.01 | Actown | lol really 100%? |
| 05:23.07 | Catfish_Man | cjhopman: um, could you try not to confuse people please? |
| 05:23.12 | Catfish_Man | Mindless`: it's pretty competitive |
| 05:23.18 | cjhopman | i meant 10% |
| 05:23.28 | Catfish_Man | but if you get involved with the project early and have good skills, you've got a good shot at it :) |
| 05:23.30 | cjhopman | and i think its actually a bit over that |
| 05:23.57 | cjhopman | like ~7500 apps, ~1000 accepted last year |
| 05:24.00 | Actown | yeah, i cant wait for the list of ideas/projects |
| 05:24.12 | Actown | so i can get a early start :) |
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| 05:26.14 | amit8-88 | Actown: act now ;) |
| 05:26.17 | cjhopman | though technically... there IS almost a 100% probability that a student will be accepted. |
| 05:26.30 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 05:26.34 | Actown | amit8-88, yeah, im working on it lol |
| 05:26.44 | Actown | "google summer of code 2009 ideas" |
| 05:26.52 | amit8-88 | lol |
| 05:26.58 | cjhopman | i would expect a lot more than just one though |
| 05:27.17 | Catfish_Man | does seem likely |
| 05:27.50 | ojwb | around 1000, the FAQ thinks |
| 05:27.59 | amit8-88 | Actown: which project ? |
| 05:28.04 | Actown | no idea |
| 05:28.20 | Actown | i need to find one with PHP maybe python if i can finish this book |
| 05:28.40 | ojwb | it's probably worth starting to think about possible projects, though the list of accepted projects isn't due out until next week |
| 05:28.58 | ojwb | but it's not hard to find projects which have applied |
| 05:29.06 | amit8-88 | you can look for previous year organizations to have an idea or you did that already ? |
| 05:29.17 | Actown | yeah, i looked |
| 05:29.27 | Actown | and there is about the ideas for this year |
| 05:29.31 | ojwb | also look for projects in areas that interest you, and check out their websites and recent mailing list archives |
| 05:29.34 | impl | Find previous years' projects, find their sites, find their ideas lists for this year ;p |
| 05:29.42 | Actown | most of the big open source projects posted about it somewhere |
| 05:29.43 | Mindless` | cjhopman: yeah, my question was ambiguous, but as long as I'm not conversing with robots, I'll be fine :P |
| 05:31.25 | impl | Mindless`: You know naught with whom you converse! |
| 05:32.26 | Mindless` | "naught" <_< |
| 05:32.47 | impl | Yeah, like as in 'naughtical' |
| 05:32.56 | impl | grins and disappears |
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| 05:36.57 | jasebo | naught as in naughty, more like |
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| 06:02.43 | geiss | Hi all! It's been a busy night for us over at glFusion! (http://www.glfusion.org) Hot off the press is a new software release and we just finished submitting our Organization app! Good luck to everyone - now it's time for some much needed sleep! ;-) |
| 06:03.31 | saurabh1403 | geiss: is glfusion going to apply as GSoC mentoring org this year |
| 06:03.46 | Catfish_Man | he just said they did... |
| 06:03.59 | geiss | yep. :-) |
| 06:04.11 | saurabh1403 | geiss: all right...that would be cool |
| 06:05.12 | geiss | here's our public blurb (after you login with your Google ID of course :-) ) http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/eakwarren |
| 06:05.44 | saurabh1403 | geiss: all right....I am quite interested in glfusion |
| 06:05.50 | saurabh1403 | so, I will try for this |
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| 06:07.25 | geiss | sounds great! You can browse our Ideas page at http://www.glfusion.org/wiki/doku.php/ideas Good Luck! :-) |
| 06:08.03 | geiss | g'night all - off to bed |
| 06:08.18 | Catfish_Man | 'night geiss |
| 06:08.21 | saurabh1403 | geiss: ok...however, I have some ideas about the glfusion |
| 06:08.25 | saurabh1403 | gud night |
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| 06:39.54 | thebolt | hi kblin |
| 06:39.58 | thebolt | how do you do? |
| 06:40.59 | kblin | ok, a bit busy right now, and I think I lost a filling yesterday, so I need to fit a dentist's appointment into my schedule somewhere |
| 06:41.13 | thebolt | :/ |
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| 06:42.10 | kblin | well, not too bad, I should be going to the regular check-up anyway |
| 06:42.50 | thebolt | hehe, true.. i should do that as well once i get back home (or maybe before?).. many years since last time |
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| 06:44.16 | kblin | it's actually kind of fun, my dentist is a complete Apple fanatic, so we get to discuss about macs alot |
| 06:45.12 | Actown | lol |
| 06:45.23 | Actown | do you talk while he/she is working in your mouth |
| 06:45.31 | Actown | i hate it when they talk to you, and you try to answer |
| 06:46.28 | kblin | no, I just let him go on about how cool macs are, and reply when there's no hands in my mouth :) |
| 06:46.51 | Actown | that works too |
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| 06:47.09 | Actown | some people like me would forget what i was thinking lol |
| 06:47.35 | kblin | but it's fun to get told to check out this OSX feature or that rather than being told to use dental floss more often |
| 06:47.57 | kblin | as in the string thing, not free/libre open source software :) |
| 06:48.16 | thebolt | :) |
| 06:48.32 | Actown | lol |
| 06:48.52 | Actown | what i need to floss more often? |
| 06:49.05 | Actown | i thought every 6 months when you do it good enough |
| 06:49.38 | kblin | dunno. but there's some cool things you can do with finder that I forgot again... |
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| 06:51.48 | Actown | the one thing about apple that makes me sad is the new ipods, i cant install rockbox |
| 06:51.49 | Actown | :( |
| 06:51.56 | Actown | and my 5.5gen died |
| 06:52.14 | Actown | no more ogg or flac for me :P |
| 06:53.44 | scorche | that is what ebay is for.. |
| 06:54.21 | Actown | still, i want 120GB lol |
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| 06:54.30 | Actown | but what i really want is a open source device |
| 06:54.40 | scorche | then guy a device on ebay with a broken hard drive for cheap and replace the hard drive |
| 06:54.45 | scorche | s/guy/buy |
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| 06:58.13 | HanzZ | morning, can I send more applications (each for different project) to one organization? |
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| 07:00.33 | scorche | sure |
| 07:00.55 | ojwb | you can, though it's better to spend the time to make a few good applications rather than a lot of mediocre ones |
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| 07:03.05 | HanzZ | yes, I understand... I've talked with people from my organisations and they suggested me two projects according to my abilities, so I only wanted to know if I have to choose one... |
| 07:03.13 | HanzZ | *my organisation |
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| 07:05.04 | ojwb | you don't |
| 07:05.57 | ojwb | but you could discuss with them if it's best to submit two applications or one |
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| 07:10.03 | kizzo | Would Google approve the creation of a Super Smash Bros. Melee-like (game engine)/game? |
| 07:11.28 | kizzo | I heard game-related ideas aren't really as considered as, well, more useful ideas. |
| 07:11.31 | ToXBoT_ | mine \ NoPE |
| 07:11.37 | ToXBoT | mine \ NoPE |
| 07:11.41 | ojwb | there have been game projects before |
| 07:11.42 | kizzo | Wow that came out bad.. |
| 07:11.51 | ojwb | thousand parsec |
| 07:11.59 | kizzo | [ oh wait no it didn't haha ] |
| 07:12.01 | ojwb | and ... um ... a couple of others |
| 07:12.10 | ToXBoT | mine \ NoPE |
| 07:12.10 | ToXBoT_ | mine \ NoPE |
| 07:12.18 | ojwb | stop that |
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| 07:12.26 | kizzo | Does anyone see ToXBoT doing that? |
| 07:12.28 | thebolt | yea, but that have been pretty well established projects, nothing "new" really |
| 07:12.29 | Actown | yeah |
| 07:12.34 | Actown | bot on the loose |
| 07:12.38 | thebolt | two copies even |
| 07:12.46 | Actown | bots on the loose |
| 07:12.50 | kizzo | thebolt: I see. |
| 07:13.33 | ToXBoT | Hey Hey! |
| 07:13.44 | Actown | -_- |
| 07:13.45 | Actown | lol |
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| 07:14.01 | ToXBoT | I'm there, wait, dc the other nick.. Sorry! |
| 07:14.21 | ojwb | I think that established projects are more likely to get a place regardless of being game/non-game |
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| 07:52.07 | tsudot | any geeklog mentors here? |
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| 08:18.58 | vks | can u see |
| 08:19.11 | nick_vivek123 | yes |
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| 08:27.54 | spectie | mornin' all |
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| 08:31.27 | alexstre^ | morning |
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| 08:37.38 | bhy | Hi |
| 08:37.48 | bhy | any noticed the FAQ page looks strange? |
| 08:38.46 | kblin | ~faq |
| 08:38.53 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 08:38.53 | ojwb | hi bhy - looks fine to me... |
| 08:39.03 | ojwb | with firefox that is |
| 08:39.13 | ojwb | someone else said it looked odd earlier though I think |
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| 08:39.55 | kblin | looks fine in konqueror as well |
| 08:40.23 | bhy | okey, so that's may some problem of my Firefox font settings |
| 08:40.57 | scorche | the font is a bit big, imo, but that is fixed with 2 steps of ctrl + - |
| 08:41.50 | bhy | All the "Summer of Code" is super big in my browser |
| 08:44.35 | kblin | it's <epmh>, I think |
| 08:44.43 | kblin | at least it shows up in italic for me |
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| 09:12.09 | ojwb | In the org application: "Contributors include students and other non-member contributors" - now a "member" should be read as "mentor" apparently. What other contributors are there than mentors and students? |
| 09:12.37 | ojwb | I looked through the open tickets, but didn't see anything |
| 09:13.39 | ojwb | ah, and "contributors" should be read as students |
| 09:13.49 | ojwb | so that's "students include students and other non-mentor students"! |
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| 09:22.25 | spectie | ojwb, members can include administrators |
| 09:22.30 | spectie | who aren't necessarily mentors |
| 09:22.31 | spectie | iirc |
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| 09:33.51 | ajuonline | yawns |
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| 09:38.24 | ojwb | spectie: I'm still confused, but I think I'll assume it just means "students" |
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| 09:45.34 | mmore | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.45 | lil_Toady | oops |
| 09:45.53 | kblin | mmore: time to change that password :) |
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| 09:46.32 | mmore | sure |
| 09:46.42 | mmore | it is a bad this :) |
| 09:46.52 | kblin | ojwb: I think it's more general because Melange may also be used for GHOP, where the nomenclature is a bit different |
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| 09:47.55 | ojwb | kblin: sure, I follow that |
| 09:48.05 | ojwb | I just don't quite understand what it is asking |
| 09:48.16 | ojwb | perhaps for ghop there are other contributors or something |
| 09:50.19 | ojwb | FWIW, i think it might cause less confusion if the messages were "localised" for gsoc, ghop, etc |
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| 09:55.01 | kblin | ojwb: write a bug report :) |
| 09:55.22 | ojwb | there is one for that |
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| 10:04.49 | glaksmono | any mentors here in los angeles who would like to give a talk about GSoC at CSULA? |
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| 10:09.45 | kblin | glaksmono: isn't it right in the middle of the night in CA right now? |
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| 10:10.10 | kblin | glaksmono: perhaps you should ask that question during the daytime :) |
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| 10:11.39 | ojwb | yeah, it's 3:11am |
| 10:13.39 | scorche | waves at glaksmono |
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| 10:24.09 | kblin | there, application template set up |
| 10:25.07 | glaksmono | hi scorche |
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| 10:25.25 | glaksmono | hi kblin |
| 10:25.36 | glaksmono | kblin: yeah hahaha.. |
| 10:25.51 | glaksmono | scorche: are you around LA? |
| 10:26.06 | glaksmono | ohhh |
| 10:26.18 | glaksmono | you're that guy i forgot the name |
| 10:26.20 | scorche | used to be (met you at Santa Monica office)...moved to Phoenix since though... |
| 10:26.24 | glaksmono | that went with me to Santa Monica office right? |
| 10:26.25 | glaksmono | yeahhh |
| 10:26.28 | glaksmono | awwww |
| 10:26.36 | glaksmono | so you're not around anymore..? |
| 10:26.41 | glaksmono | kk.. |
| 10:26.47 | scorche | i am around at times...not any time soon though |
| 10:26.52 | glaksmono | kk.. |
| 10:27.08 | amit8-89 | ~faqs |
| 10:27.09 | ibot | somebody said faqs was an apt wannabe |
| 10:27.16 | kblin | ~faq |
| 10:27.17 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:27.19 | alexstre^ | can students supply a link, to let's say a blog entry, with more information on their proposals or should they stick with the application form? |
| 10:27.20 | kblin | :) |
| 10:27.32 | amit8-89 | thanks kblin :) |
| 10:27.35 | glaksmono | is planning to participate again this year >:) |
| 10:28.02 | kblin | alexstre^: most application templates have a "put extra urls here" field, I guess |
| 10:28.12 | scorche | alexstre^: that depends on the org...many orgs have a "any additional info" bit in the application template though...also in your profile, you can provide a link to your website iirc |
| 10:28.15 | kblin | alexstre^: but it always depends on your mentoring org |
| 10:28.38 | kblin | scorche: dunno, haven't seen the melange student's forms yet |
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| 10:28.56 | kblin | but most likely, yeah |
| 10:29.16 | glaksmono | Austin, there you go.. that's your name.. |
| 10:29.39 | scorche | glaksmono: "I forgot where Austin came from, Irvine area..? He graduated, and he worked at some company." At the time i lived in Costa Mesa, but worked in Irvine...also I havent graduated from uni (though i wasnt attending at the time) yet ;) |
| 10:29.45 | ojwb | ibot: forget faqs |
| 10:29.56 | alexstre^ | okay, cause I just spent a few hours putting together more 'in depth' information for one of my (hopefully) proposals, then i realized it could've been useless |
| 10:30.01 | alexstre^ | thanks for the info ;) |
| 10:30.07 | ojwb | ~no, faqs is The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:30.13 | glaksmono | hahahahaha.. |
| 10:30.20 | ojwb | ~faqs |
| 10:30.21 | ibot | i heard faqs is an apt wannabe |
| 10:30.22 | glaksmono | that's right, i post up my blog in he docs |
| 10:30.28 | ojwb | stupid bot |
| 10:30.36 | kblin | ~forget faqs |
| 10:30.37 | glaksmono | just added scorche at Facebook |
| 10:30.40 | ojwb | ibot: no, faqs is The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:30.41 | ibot | okay, ojwb |
| 10:30.55 | kblin | hmm |
| 10:31.05 | ojwb | kblin: it told me I had to say "no, " as the factoid was too old |
| 10:31.10 | kblin | yeah |
| 10:31.14 | ojwb | why that's a sane interface I don't know |
| 10:31.38 | ojwb | it seems to be prefilled with a heap of useless factoids too |
| 10:31.45 | glaksmono | alrighty, i gtg bed now |
| 10:31.48 | glaksmono | later guys.. |
| 10:31.49 | kblin | probably you can set up different permissions for forget and no |
| 10:32.09 | ojwb | handy... |
| 10:32.10 | kblin | alexstre^: I think that any preparation is good, even if you can't use it verbatim |
| 10:32.19 | scorche | sheds a tear for socinfo |
| 10:32.33 | kblin | now let's not go bikeshedding again |
| 10:32.35 | ojwb | ah, i guess "forget" deletes, but "no," just replaces |
| 10:32.42 | scorche | right |
| 10:32.54 | kblin | goes do the laundry instead |
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| 10:33.04 | alexstre^ | kblin, that's true. it helped me making my project 'clearer', even to myself. it went from a vague idea to something a bit more concrete |
| 10:33.51 | mib_miajjb11 | Hi, I am new to open source and IRC....I want to do gsoc....but I have still not contacted any organization and waiting for 18th march...Does that make my chances less. |
| 10:34.07 | acemtp | ~faq |
| 10:34.08 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:34.12 | acemtp | ~faqs |
| 10:34.12 | ibot | faqs is, like, The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:34.15 | acemtp | ok |
| 10:34.45 | acemtp | ~ibot |
| 10:34.50 | scorche | ibot: no, faqs is <reply>The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:34.51 | ibot | okay, scorche |
| 10:34.59 | ojwb | beat me to it |
| 10:35.15 | acemtp | ~faqs |
| 10:35.16 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:35.19 | acemtp | better |
| 10:35.45 | acemtp | ibot: ibot is me |
| 10:35.46 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to is me. |
| 10:36.11 | acemtp | ibot: ibot is <reply>It's me |
| 10:36.12 | ibot | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to is <reply>It's me. |
| 10:36.14 | acemtp | ok |
| 10:36.29 | ojwb | "no, " |
| 10:36.38 | acemtp | ok no is mandatory |
| 10:36.51 | ojwb | unless ibot is special cased |
| 10:36.55 | ojwb | shrugs |
| 10:37.03 | acemtp | ibot: no, ibot is <reply>It's me |
| 10:37.04 | ibot | okay, acemtp |
| 10:37.07 | acemtp | ah yes |
| 10:37.08 | acemtp | ~ibot |
| 10:37.09 | ibot | It's me |
| 10:37.14 | acemtp | ahaha |
| 10:37.40 | acemtp | is trying to make the time pass faster during the compilation process |
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| 10:39.40 | ojwb | minimise the window? |
| 10:39.48 | ojwb | a watched compiler never completes |
| 10:39.59 | ojwb | and some terminals are really slow at scrolling... |
| 10:40.13 | acemtp | :) |
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| 10:41.13 | ojwb | seriously - I timed scrolling a million lines in different terminals once |
| 10:41.30 | ojwb | rxvt was 8.44 seconds wallclock |
| 10:41.42 | ojwb | xterm was 1m 2.39s |
| 10:41.52 | kblin | whoa |
| 10:42.41 | sid0 | make -s? |
| 10:42.44 | ojwb | I had felt gnome was slow from using it, but it's not that bad (28.31s) |
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| 10:43.06 | ojwb | no, this was just a for loop in sh, so it emphasises the scrolling speed |
| 10:43.15 | ojwb | oh yes |
| 10:43.27 | ojwb | yeah, "make -s" can speed things up a lot if you use xterm! |
| 10:44.32 | sid0 | yes, I've seen speedups on both gnome and mingw builds |
| 10:45.09 | sid0 | s/gnome/gnome-terminal/ |
| 10:45.21 | sid0 | forgot about ibot :) |
| 10:45.29 | sid0 | ibot: botsnack |
| 10:45.29 | ibot | sid0: thanks |
| 10:45.54 | ojwb | ibot: do you want fries with that? |
| 10:45.55 | ibot | yes, I want fries with that. |
| 10:46.04 | ojwb | fatbot |
| 10:46.53 | bhy | ibot, smart bot :-) |
| 10:46.53 | ibot | ACTION plops a heatsink on bot :-)'s head so bot :-)'s brain so it doesn't overheat. |
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| 11:29.05 | codestr0m | can anyone here confirm that if the GNU organization is accepted to participate this year that grub will be able to submit student ideas? I sent an email the the @gnu.org gsoc contact email, but no reply yet |
| 11:30.41 | scorche | you are probably better off waiting for a response from GNU/grub.... |
| 11:30.42 | ojwb | ~timeline |
| 11:30.43 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 timeline is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:31.04 | ojwb | codestr0m: see timeline - no orgs accepted yet |
| 11:31.20 | scorche | well, he did mention "if X is accepted"... |
| 11:31.34 | ojwb | oh, I misparsed |
| 11:31.35 | ojwb | sorry |
| 11:31.52 | codestr0m | ojwb: correct. if.. I wanted to make sure grub doesn't have to submit an application on their own like I assume |
| 11:32.03 | ojwb | that's probably up to GNU |
| 11:33.38 | ojwb | I mean GNU is entitled to accept students working on grub, but they aren't obligated to |
| 11:34.11 | ojwb | assuming GNU are accepted that is |
| 11:34.21 | i386 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7jbP1_H9sA |
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| 11:35.15 | scorche | wonders what that has to do with GSoC.... |
| 11:36.22 | antarus | youtube is owned by google who runs GSoC |
| 11:36.30 | antarus | therefore, all youtube videos are on topic, etc. |
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| 11:53.16 | sfb | Good morning everyone. |
| 11:54.42 | Catfish_Man | hi sfb |
| 11:54.49 | spectie | mornin' sfb |
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| 11:57.07 | sfb | Sounds like OpenNMS got their application in! |
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| 11:57.30 | sfb | ~faq |
| 11:57.31 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 12:06.22 | mhuot | sfb: The app is not in, still working on it |
| 12:06.41 | russellb | waves to eliel |
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| 12:07.19 | eliel | :-) |
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| 12:21.18 | sourcemorph | hi.. i am mohit from india, i wanted to know if i should start discussing my project with people before the official organization's list comes out |
| 12:21.29 | pygi | why not :) |
| 12:21.37 | sourcemorph | and if yes, then how can i find people who will be interested in mentoring my idea |
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| 12:21.47 | sid0 | on their mailing list or IRC channel |
| 12:21.49 | sid0 | s |
| 12:21.50 | ojwb | that's the orgs job |
| 12:21.57 | scorche | search and find their IRC channels, mailing lists, etc |
| 12:21.58 | sid0 | or on their website |
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| 12:22.07 | sourcemorph | but the list isn't yet out.. so how do i know which people have already joined? |
| 12:22.14 | scorche | you dont |
| 12:22.28 | sid0 | you make good guesses :) |
| 12:22.50 | ajuonline | sourcemorph: what do you mean by "discussing your project" ? |
| 12:23.17 | sourcemorph | i have an idea, and i would like to discuss whether is is feasible, any possible suggestions about it and if it has the potential to be a soc project |
| 12:23.29 | lut4rp | sure, just discuss with the project people. |
| 12:23.35 | lut4rp | what project is it? |
| 12:23.58 | sourcemorph | something related to natural language processing |
| 12:24.13 | lut4rp | NLTK? |
| 12:24.17 | sourcemorph | in the form of a desktop utility |
| 12:24.54 | lut4rp | i meant, discuss it out with the project's team members. Look up their mailing lists or IRC channel. |
| 12:25.54 | sourcemorph | can i see the list of projects that will be a part of soc this year? |
| 12:26.13 | lut4rp | sourcemorph: the list isn't out yet |
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| 12:26.32 | sourcemorph | that's what. so i guess i'll have to wait before it comes out then? |
| 12:26.43 | lut4rp | but prospective projects have already started discussing their ideas, nevertheless they get selected finally as an organisation or not. |
| 12:26.57 | lut4rp | so you still can discuss it, no harm. |
| 12:27.00 | ojwb | sourcemorph: if you just have a generic project idea, you may struggle |
| 12:27.17 | ojwb | you need to find an org it "fits" with |
| 12:28.02 | spectie | hey so_solid_moo |
| 12:28.04 | ojwb | they will have a list of suggestions, and most will accept other ideas, but only if they are suitable for what they do |
| 12:28.05 | sourcemorph | oh okay |
| 12:28.06 | spectie | how about apertium ;) |
| 12:28.12 | ajuonline | sourcemorph: if I were you, i woild first look for FOSS projects that work/make use of Natural Language Processing. Then check if they are planning to apply for GSoC or not. While doing that, start discussing idea with them already. |
| 12:28.17 | spectie | sourcemorph, what are you interested in in NLP ? |
| 12:28.45 | lil_Toady | any practice with game projects applying? |
| 12:28.47 | ajuonline | sourcemorph: one such project is apertium :P, Fran will help you out ;) |
| 12:28.48 | spectie | sourcemorph, our ideas are here: http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Ideas_for_Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 12:29.06 | spectie | sourcemorph, but we'd love to hear new ones that we haven't thought of |
| 12:29.06 | sourcemorph | the idea was to create something like GNOME-do but instead of matching words, use NLP to give out more intelligent options |
| 12:29.24 | danderson | greetings programs |
| 12:29.40 | ajuonline | danderson: greetings |
| 12:29.47 | spectie | looks at what gnome-do is |
| 12:29.58 | spectie | aha |
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| 12:31.35 | lut4rp | gnome-do is lovely. |
| 12:32.14 | PeepOle | sourcemorph: I think your project would be better suited for the Gnome org then |
| 12:32.20 | spectie | yep |
| 12:32.28 | sourcemorph | yes, and i guess we can add more features through NLP, and can also add option to get the input from the user through voice |
| 12:32.32 | PeepOle | lut4rp: gnome-do uses a lot of memory |
| 12:32.38 | kblin | ack |
| 12:32.48 | kblin | looks like my second laptop died as well |
| 12:32.53 | kblin | le sigh |
| 12:33.04 | sourcemorph | yes, i thought so too @ PeepOle |
| 12:33.40 | scorche | kblin: nice timing |
| 12:34.13 | ajuonline | wonders what kblin does with his laptops that they keep dying |
| 12:34.14 | ajuonline | :P |
| 12:34.20 | sourcemorph | i worked on a NLP shell for my Artificial Intelligence course in college last semester, and I think this will be a good way to extend it |
| 12:35.01 | kblin | ajuonline: dunno, that one's lasted for eight years, I think, os that's fair |
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| 12:37.41 | kblin | hmm |
| 12:37.46 | kblin | it seems to be coming up again |
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| 12:39.42 | djc | so I saved an org application a couple of days back (I was told here that I could iterate on it a bit), but when I logged back in, it was gone |
| 12:39.42 | PeepOle | :( |
| 12:39.42 | djc | is it still in there somewhere, or do I just need to start over? |
| 12:39.55 | lut4rp | PeepOle: so does Katapult and Quicksilver. |
| 12:40.07 | sfb | kblin: You're having poor luck with laptops! |
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| 12:45.45 | PeepOle | Anyone here from Bits Pilani Goa Campus, Comp. Sc., 3rd year? |
| 12:46.02 | PeepOle | :P |
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| 12:50.23 | sourcemorph | i am from bits pilani goa campus, 3rd year. information systems though, not comp sci |
| 12:50.48 | PeepOle | Oh my! What a coincidence ;) |
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| 12:51.14 | sourcemorph | you too? |
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| 12:54.03 | sourcemorph | @PeepOle why did you ask? |
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| 13:03.26 | PeepOle | sourcemorph: just di a whois of your ip. Thats how I knew you were from BITS Pilani |
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| 13:05.57 | grub | how is it bits "pilani" anymore, if its in goa ? |
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| 13:06.07 | grub | you mean, BITS Goa Campus? |
| 13:06.17 | grub | or is it named such ? |
| 13:06.29 | sourcemorph | yup its BITS Pilani, Goa Campus |
| 13:06.46 | sourcemorph | @Peepole.. then it wasn't really a surprise to you, if you already knew |
| 13:06.48 | sourcemorph | :P |
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| 13:07.09 | lut4rp | hola grub ... you're here too now? |
| 13:07.22 | lut4rp | :) |
| 13:07.23 | grub | yesh. Looks like. |
| 13:07.28 | lut4rp | certainly. |
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| 13:08.23 | grub | whats up lut4rp ? |
| 13:09.09 | ajuonline | c_schmitz: hey, how are you doing? |
| 13:09.23 | ajuonline | c_schmitz: are you guys planning to applky for GSoC this year? |
| 13:09.24 | rohananil | hi ajuonline, whats up? |
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| 13:09.27 | lut4rp | grub: apart from my `find` command journey? |
| 13:09.29 | lut4rp | :P |
| 13:09.36 | grub | hehe |
| 13:09.40 | ajuonline | rohananil: dude :P total mess :P |
| 13:09.40 | c_schmitz | ajuonline: We already applied ;) |
| 13:09.58 | rohananil | ajuonline: ditto ( err my room ) |
| 13:09.59 | c_schmitz | ajuonline: look at http://docs.limesurvey.org/tiki-index.php?page=LimeSurvey%202%20Project%20Ideas%20for%20GSOC%202009 |
| 13:10.01 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.vimeo.com/3595417 - My fav. bit of magic of the day |
| 13:10.23 | ajuonline | c_schmitz: ah kool :) i am thinking of applying to your project as well :P |
| 13:10.33 | ajuonline | c_schmitz: good luck! for the selection process |
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| 13:11.02 | ajuonline | rohananil: my room is always a mess, its the college situation :P 12 days to submit all projects |
| 13:11.06 | ajuonline | lol |
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| 13:11.07 | ajuonline | is so dead :) |
| 13:11.38 | c_schmitz | ajuonline: thank you ;) |
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| 13:13.57 | devilsadvocate | ajuonline, you saw my room |
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| 13:16.30 | ajuonline | devilsadvocate: yeah right. i am not even trying to compare mine with yours :D |
| 13:16.54 | ajuonline | devilsadvocate: if we try to use your room as a bench mark, all comparisons would fail. |
| 13:17.00 | igor822 | hey people, what i have to do, to participate in gsoc? |
| 13:17.19 | ajuonline | ~faq |
| 13:17.20 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 13:17.25 | ajuonline | igor822: first check the FAQ ^ |
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| 13:18.44 | igor822 | i have to thanks |
| 13:18.58 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 13:19.05 | ajuonline | trinity sleepin still? |
| 13:19.24 | ajuonline | c_schmitz: btw, LimeSurvey rocks! :) |
| 13:19.45 | c_schmitz | thank you, I have hear people say that before ;) |
| 13:19.55 | c_schmitz | :p |
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| 13:30.27 | spectie | hey sourcemorph1 |
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| 13:36.29 | igor822 | ok, i saw the faq, but i continue dont understanding one thing, the most important thing, I have to propose a project, what project in what? |
| 13:37.08 | Catfish_Man | igor822: organizations have not been accepted yet. Once they are, each one will have a list of ideas |
| 13:37.41 | spectie | and will also be open to suggestions |
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| 13:38.56 | PeepOle | who is trinity? |
| 13:39.26 | igor822 | and later i choose what idea to develop? |
| 13:39.29 | spectie | yep igor822 |
| 13:40.15 | Catfish_Man | well. You write a proposal, either for an idea of your own devising, or an idea on the list, and they choose whether to accept you based on that proposal |
| 13:40.20 | ravenlock | Hiya! |
| 13:40.31 | ravenlock | I cant seem to get into the site to submit an Organization Application |
| 13:40.40 | ravenlock | I can successfully log into Google though. |
| 13:40.44 | ravenlock | any thoughts? |
| 13:40.59 | Catfish_Man | ravenlock: I would ask again once more PST-timezone people are awake |
| 13:41.05 | Catfish_Man | I'm only up because my sleep schedule is all messed up |
| 13:41.16 | ravenlock | kk. thanks |
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| 13:41.58 | igor822 | ok, now i understand, thanks people |
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| 13:42.18 | igor822 | someone here already participate in gsoc? |
| 13:42.34 | Catfish_Man | many people here have. I've been a mentor for Adium the last few years |
| 13:43.38 | ajuonline | PeepOle: you dont know *who* is trinity? not seen matrix? |
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| 13:47.29 | ravenlock | Catfish_Man: ok. I'm in. have to enable cookies for bot Google.com *and* appspot.com |
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| 13:48.09 | ravenlock | Catfish_Man: Can I assume I can revise my Org Application up until the deadline, as we could last year? |
| 13:48.32 | spectie | yep |
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| 14:00.28 | ravenlock | now that I have created an unchangeable linkID, can someone better explain what it is? :/ |
| 14:00.48 | Catfish_Man | ravenlock: presumably it's for using as part of the URL for pages related to you |
| 14:01.04 | ravenlock | to *me*? or to my *Org* ? |
| 14:01.24 | Catfish_Man | well, I had to make one for me and one for my org |
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| 14:01.59 | ravenlock | Ooh! so the LinkID on the org app is *not* the same as the one I used when creating my profile? |
| 14:02.08 | ravenlock | I thought it wanted me to enter that one. |
| 14:02.11 | mlankhorst | ravenlock: yeah, it's confusing.. |
| 14:02.12 | Catfish_Man | ...ah |
| 14:02.13 | ravenlock | makes more sense now. |
| 14:02.18 | mlankhorst | Already a bug report for it |
| 14:02.28 | ravenlock | ok. |
| 14:03.52 | schumaml | the user guide has an example, though |
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| 14:04.32 | Urvieh | argh, not advertising, sorry, just sleepy |
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| 14:07.56 | PeepOle | *brsv* |
| 14:08.00 | PeepOle | [asd] |
| 14:08.03 | PeepOle | 'asd' |
| 14:08.06 | PeepOle | _asd_ |
| 14:08.11 | Catfish_Man | PeepOle: um |
| 14:08.15 | Catfish_Man | what are you doing? |
| 14:08.26 | PeepOle | can we write in italics? |
| 14:08.37 | Catfish_Man | that depends on your irc client |
| 14:08.42 | ajuonline | PeepOle: try this channel #teachmehowtotypeonirc |
| 14:08.49 | PeepOle | hehe |
| 14:08.54 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 14:10.44 | igor822 | question |
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| 14:11.14 | igor822 | have more or less, how much of projects in PHP? |
| 14:11.35 | ajuonline | igor822: i know Sahana.lk is one nice project. |
| 14:11.54 | ajuonline | igor822: www.sahana.lk |
| 14:12.15 | EsCoVa | i like to submit applications at projects in python |
| 14:12.27 | EsCoVa | ajuonline: do you know someone? |
| 14:12.53 | ajuonline | EsCoVa: a lot of projects use Python. you need to find which one interests you most. |
| 14:13.26 | EsCoVa | ok, it's my first year on Gsoc. |
| 14:13.35 | summatusmentis | igor822: I would guess plone uses python? |
| 14:13.39 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: ? |
| 14:13.40 | ajuonline | igor822: http://wiki.sahana.lk/doku.php?id=dev:sahana_gsoc09_ideas |
| 14:13.44 | summatusmentis | sorry, not igor822, EsCoVa |
| 14:13.53 | ajuonline | EsCoVa: you might be delighted, Sahana is written in Python as well :) |
| 14:14.08 | ajuonline | EsCoVa: you can check the ideas page i gave. |
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| 14:16.57 | EsCoVa | yesterday i attended a seminar here in Unicamp-Brazil.. This year i feel that many students here will participate |
| 14:17.01 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: quit being so pushy :-P |
| 14:18.33 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ? is it? ;) |
| 14:18.54 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 14:19.22 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i am just talking about my project ;) |
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| 14:19.45 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I know :) |
| 14:20.20 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: you know you should apply to Sahana as well, this yeear. |
| 14:20.32 | summatusmentis | I'm not applying to Sahana |
| 14:20.54 | ajuonline | you *should* :P |
| 14:20.59 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 14:21.15 | ajuonline | can be pushier* |
| 14:21.16 | ajuonline | lol |
| 14:21.33 | sid0 | please don't :) |
| 14:21.58 | ajuonline | puts cold water on sid0 |
| 14:22.29 | ajuonline | sid0: what about you? mozilla? |
| 14:22.56 | sid0 | not doing GSoC this year :) |
| 14:23.23 | ajuonline | sid0: mentoring? |
| 14:23.24 | mchua | hi, scorche - thanks for your feedback on the SL app - the rephrasings do look much better. |
| 14:23.36 | sid0 | no |
| 14:23.45 | sid0 | also, ##gsoc-india :) |
| 14:24.04 | saurabh1403 | sid0: u must be preparing for placements in your college? |
| 14:24.10 | ajuonline | sid0: what about it ? |
| 14:24.21 | sid0 | saurabh1403: I'm in my second year -- so no |
| 14:24.26 | EsCoVa | ajuonline: Most of ideas in sahan need expertise on Javascript =/ |
| 14:24.33 | mchua | scorche, you said it might be easier to have the mentors apply after (and if) SL is accepted as an org - how do we do that without avoiding a chicken-and-the-egg situation? (having to list mentors for the org app?) |
| 14:24.35 | Gurpartap | EsCoVa: Really? |
| 14:24.36 | Gurpartap | :D |
| 14:24.37 | sid0 | ajuonline: note who isn't in the channel. |
| 14:24.51 | EsCoVa | Gurpartap, ? |
| 14:24.54 | saurabh1403 | sid0: all right |
| 14:25.00 | Gurpartap | EsCoVa: ??? |
| 14:25.07 | EsCoVa | Gurpartap, really? |
| 14:25.07 | sid0 | still 3 more years to go :) |
| 14:25.25 | Gurpartap | EsCoVa: Yeah, why do you need JS expertise for Sahana ??? |
| 14:25.26 | Gurpartap | :P |
| 14:25.42 | ajuonline | sid0: when did that happen, now? X-( |
| 14:25.56 | sid0 | yes. I hate cold water. |
| 14:25.59 | Gurpartap | ajuonline: lol yeah |
| 14:26.00 | Gurpartap | :D |
| 14:26.02 | ajuonline | EsCoVa: not really. |
| 14:26.08 | sid0 | :P |
| 14:26.17 | ajuonline | sid0: duh ok! :) |
| 14:26.24 | ajuonline | sid0: i forgive you :) |
| 14:27.34 | ajuonline | EsCoVa: you can always learn. you dont need to be an expert, really. you just need to know enough to get stuff done :) and as well improve by learning, in my opinion. |
| 14:27.38 | EsCoVa | Gurpartap, Sahana ideas descriptions seems to require JS experts for most of ideas.. |
| 14:27.56 | mchua | Does anyone know what the "main public email" for an org app is? The email for the GSoC coordinator? The organization's main generic contact email? The GSoC mailing list for the org? |
| 14:27.56 | Gurpartap | EsCoVa: Interesting. |
| 14:29.39 | spectie | mchua, second |
| 14:29.43 | spectie | main generic contact email |
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| 14:30.58 | mchua | spectie: thanks! |
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| 14:31.03 | spectie | np |
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| 14:34.52 | EsCoVa | ajuonline, Sahana seems to have a diferent essence of other projects, have important social goals. |
| 14:35.01 | EsCoVa | ajuonline, Here at brazil don't have much disasters, but the project interests me, i'll read more about |
| 14:36.16 | ajuonline | EsCoVa: yes, its for the global good. so a great project :) |
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| 14:44.04 | scorche | mchua: you dont have mentors on the newer org app page...that section on the SL wiki is likely just a take from last year's application |
| 14:45.01 | mchua | scorche: it's from #11 on http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_org_app_08250740394219425_ |
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| 14:45.41 | mchua | scorche: ...so I suppose that means I should file a bug :) |
| 14:45.58 | scorche | mchua: yes, that is outdated...check out the actual application page: http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/apply/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 14:46.13 | mchua | nods, and goes off to file bug |
| 14:46.20 | scorche | mchua: if you look at the mentors mailing list, you will see that lh is already aware |
| 14:46.30 | scorche | not sure if there is an actual bug there though |
| 14:47.25 | mchua | scorche: ah, okay - missed that on the lists. scratch the bug-filing, then. thanks! |
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| 15:27.02 | straszheim | the boost c++ project was a mentoring organization in 2006,7,8... do they need to reapply? |
| 15:27.17 | mlankhorst | Yes |
| 15:27.28 | mlankhorst | Unless you don't want to go for 2009 |
| 15:27.29 | straszheim | k |
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| 15:33.40 | mmeeks | wonders if there is a good application template template ;-) |
| 15:34.05 | mlankhorst | It's already pre-filled for you: 'blank' |
| 15:34.26 | russellb | heh, that's not the first time I've seen that question asked in here :-) |
| 15:34.57 | russellb | I just put in a short list of relevant questions about the project proposal, why they want to work with our project, and their relevant experience |
| 15:35.59 | sfb | mmeeks: Just "steal" from orgs from the previous year. |
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| 15:36.23 | sfb | mmeeks: Here's mine for this year: |
| 15:36.26 | sfb | mmeeks: http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoC2009ApplicationTemplate |
| 15:36.33 | mmeeks | sfb: many thanks :-) |
| 15:36.39 | sfb | No problem. |
| 15:38.23 | russellb | considers shamelessly stealing some of that |
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| 15:43.28 | mitsuhiko | hello everybody |
| 15:43.45 | mitsuhiko | until when (time) can we submit the application for organizations? |
| 15:43.54 | mlankhorst | ~faq |
| 15:43.55 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:43.59 | sfb | Until March 13th, 1900PDT |
| 15:44.06 | sfb | ~timeline |
| 15:44.07 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 timeline is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:44.10 | mitsuhiko | ah. found it in the timeline. thanks |
| 15:44.20 | sfb | np |
| 15:44.58 | ericholscher | mitsuhiko, applying for any students on sphinx? |
| 15:45.06 | ericholscher | or pocoo in general |
| 15:45.12 | VDVsx | sfb, 19h UTC -> 12 PDT |
| 15:45.17 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 15:45.19 | mitsuhiko | ericholscher: pocoo in general, sphinx will be part of it :) |
| 15:45.21 | sfb | Oh, thanks for the correction VDVsx |
| 15:45.29 | sfb | It's a good th ing I did the tilde timeline business. (; |
| 15:45.44 | sfb | What's sphinx and pocoo? |
| 15:45.58 | mitsuhiko | sphinx is the python documentation framework (docs.python.org/dev) |
| 15:46.17 | mitsuhiko | pocoo is an umbrella project that is behind sphinx, jinja, zine and some other python apps/libs |
| 15:46.27 | mitsuhiko | (http://dev.pocoo.org/) |
| 15:46.33 | bobbens | i thought you meant the speech recognition sphinx |
| 15:46.34 | bobbens | :) |
| 15:46.43 | ericholscher | or the search engine :) |
| 15:46.45 | homunq | Say our org participates, but we also have some specific interests in certain projects in something upstream... |
| 15:46.49 | mitsuhiko | yeah. the name is too generic :) |
| 15:46.51 | mitsuhiko | but too late to rename ;) |
| 15:47.28 | homunq | is there any way to express that through Google channels, or do we have to do it out-of-band? |
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| 15:47.43 | sfb | homunq: As ideas for your project? Haiku does this. |
| 15:47.46 | bobbens | homunq: i believe there were co-hosted projects last year |
| 15:47.58 | sfb | homunq: One of their "ideas" is some work on Abi |
| 15:48.03 | bobbens | sfb: haiku os? will they ever get force feedback? :) |
| 15:48.07 | sfb | haha |
| 15:48.21 | bobbens | actually that could be a project for me if they're going as an org :P |
| 15:48.28 | bobbens | should try it first :P |
| 15:48.36 | homunq | Yeah, obviously one of your projects could be something upstream |
| 15:48.47 | sfb | homunq: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc2009/ideas |
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| 15:49.00 | homunq | but I was talking about putting in a vote in your upstream's project list as which ones are better |
| 15:49.46 | sfb | homunq: One of the ideas is porting other applications like AbiWord and CUPS. Which would actually end up in work on another project directly, but benefit Haiku indirectly. |
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| 15:50.17 | sfb | homunq: That's up to your upstream project to determine if it is something they want worked on by their potential students... |
| 15:50.17 | homunq | I'm with sugarlabs, and we have many participating upstreams: abi, moodle, firefox, etoys, etc., as well as more generic stuff like python |
| 15:50.21 | scorche | well, "votes" are done entirely up to how the org wishes it to be...they may not even be voted upon...however beyond just talking to the other org, you would need to be listed as a mentor in order to be able to see all the apps, etc (if i am understanding your question right that is) |
| 15:50.24 | sfb | homunq: It's best to start the dialog with them. |
| 15:51.17 | scorche | so it is just "out-of-band" as you say |
| 15:52.21 | homunq | k, thanks |
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| 15:53.59 | IwikiwI | Hello, It's my first year hearing about GSoC and I'm having a fairly hard time deciding on which proj to apply for. Is it proper to ask for recommendations? =p |
| 15:54.42 | Landon | IwikiwI: personally, I like to stay in here and ask "What's a good project" and see who jumps through the most hoops to get me to apply for them :D |
| 15:54.53 | Landon | s/project/org/ |
| 15:54.56 | sfb | IwikiwI: No organizations are approved yet, that list won't be available until March 18th. |
| 15:55.30 | sfb | IwikiwI: But there's nothing wrong with talking to prospective organizations and fellow potential students. |
| 15:55.31 | deepakverma | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.37 | sfb | Yikes! |
| 15:55.41 | sid0 | :O |
| 15:56.01 | amit8-89 | deepakverma: oops |
| 15:56.04 | sid0 | that looks like a pretty good password though ;) |
| 15:56.14 | sid0 | for IRC at least |
| 15:56.16 | homunq | just read about sahana, and thinks it would be a good fit with sugarlabs actually. Also we could have used that in Guatemala during Stan, the government agencies totally failed. |
| 15:56.29 | IwikiwI | Landon,Ibot: haha, well I'd first need them to assess my skills, I cant blindly apply. =p |
| 15:56.39 | sid0 | Ibot? |
| 15:56.48 | sid0 | ibot's a bot :) |
| 15:56.49 | IwikiwI | ibot* sorry |
| 15:56.53 | IwikiwI | ah |
| 15:57.52 | homunq | that's cute, a bot to do your s/// for you |
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| 15:58.15 | IwikiwI | well, here's how i'd rate my skills, |
| 15:58.20 | IwikiwI | on a scale of 5 |
| 15:58.21 | IwikiwI | C/C++ 4 |
| 15:58.23 | IwikiwI | python 3.5 |
| 15:58.24 | IwikiwI | opengl 2 |
| 15:58.26 | IwikiwI | network programming in c 4 |
| 15:58.27 | IwikiwI | unix programming in c 3 |
| 15:58.30 | IwikiwI | 5 being the expert level |
| 15:58.37 | sid0 | homunq: yeah. too bad it only does text substitution though |
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| 15:58.49 | straszheim | C++ 4... are you a boost user? |
| 15:58.53 | ajuonline | homunq: kool! you can join us on #sahana to talk :) |
| 15:59.01 | sfb | IwikiwI: It's helpful to go to http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ and see if any of the orgs that participated last year interest you and if any of the ideas they had last year match your skills. |
| 15:59.20 | sfb | IwikiwI: By-and-large an organization applying this year that participated last year is more likely to be in this year. |
| 16:00.12 | sfb | looks up Sahana |
| 16:00.16 | homunq | sid0: what else should it do? pictures? |
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| 16:00.25 | IwikiwI | straszheim: umm boost is? an IDE? |
| 16:00.26 | sfb | Oh neat. |
| 16:00.34 | sfb | IwikiwI: A C++ library. |
| 16:00.39 | Landon | homunq: s/#FFDD00/#FFFFFF/ |
| 16:00.40 | Landon | :P |
| 16:00.43 | straszheim | http://www.boost.org, we'll be doing gsoc again this year |
| 16:00.49 | WinterMute | how do I find out who's using a particular link id? |
| 16:01.23 | haoyu | straszheim, Boost will do gsoc again this year? |
| 16:01.31 | straszheim | hi haoyu! |
| 16:01.32 | haoyu | straszheim, really good news for me :-) |
| 16:01.51 | sfb | Did Boost have good success last year? |
| 16:01.57 | haoyu | hi |
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| 16:02.12 | straszheim | i am considering volunteering to mentor your project... of course the real mentor will be the list itself |
| 16:02.30 | straszheim | hartmut is looking at getting the application in, we just located last year's application materials |
| 16:02.36 | IwikiwI | sfb: yep, I've been doing that, looking up projects. So far olpc has been a good find, and ive been doing research on pygtk. |
| 16:02.51 | IwikiwI | straszheim: Ah, checking it out |
| 16:03.27 | haoyu | straszheim, that's great |
| 16:03.37 | straszheim | IwikiwI: it should open your mind about c++... many of the new features in c++0x started in boost |
| 16:03.39 | sfb | IwikiwI: What's your C vs. your C++ skill level? |
| 16:04.09 | sfb | haha yeah, some of the Boost templates blow my mind. |
| 16:04.15 | sfb | Boost.Any is one of my favs. |
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| 16:05.39 | IwikiwI | sfb:C is much greater than C++, as most of the unix programming i've done is in c. And its a plenty opposed to the little c++ ive done with the opengl API. |
| 16:05.41 | haoyu | straszheim, How about Niall, seems he is willing to mentor too |
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| 16:07.35 | straszheim | I'm not familiar with his work |
| 16:07.37 | rszulgo | Greetings all :) , Anyone know how propable is the eclipse foundation is going to joing gsoc this year ? |
| 16:07.50 | straszheim | at a minimum, i'll do it. I dont think this will be a problem. |
| 16:08.28 | haoyu | straszheim, yes, that would be great |
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| 16:09.11 | straszheim | er, |
| 16:09.34 | sfb | IwikiwI: Have you worked with OpenGL 2.0 ES? |
| 16:10.02 | PeepOle | rszulgo: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eclipse+summer+of+code+2009 |
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| 16:12.04 | IwikiwI | sfb: No, I havent, Ive worked only with the standard opengl (mostly glut) libraries |
| 16:12.05 | rszulgo | PeepOle: heh great :) JavScript and Google can make one lazy :) |
| 16:12.07 | rszulgo | thx |
| 16:12.14 | _hc | anyone know what the "Public email" field in the org app is supposed to be? |
| 16:12.18 | WinterMute | I'm trying to sort out the devkitPro GSoC application - it's claiming the link id "devkitpro" is in use, is there any way for me to find out who's set that up? |
| 16:12.27 | _hc | the group email? the admin email? |
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| 16:13.22 | IwikiwI | sfb: And the project was an interactive bounce game |
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| 16:14.27 | homunq | lwikiwl: OLPC is applying this year, but most of last years' OLPC projects will probably go under Sugarlabs, if we're accepted. |
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| 16:14.56 | homunq | Sugarlabs has grown independent from OLPC in the last year. |
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| 16:15.50 | IwikiwI | homunq: that is sort of good news, I was researching the sugar os for two days now |
| 16:16.20 | homunq | OLPC will handle the school server, and some hardware-specific stuff. |
| 16:16.30 | homunq | Sugarlabs the rest. |
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| 16:17.44 | homunq | lwikiwl: one thing that someone of your skills might take on would be implementing the P_NETWORK bitfrost privilege |
| 16:18.10 | homunq | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow#Next_Steps |
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| 16:19.12 | homunq | (that is OLPC's wiki, but the project would be Sugarlabs... we're still a bit entangled, though it is improving) |
| 16:19.14 | justatheory | Anyone know where I can login to the old app (ca. 2006) so that I can read our project's original application? |
| 16:19.43 | IwikiwI | homunq: wow, thanks for the recommendation |
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| 16:29.52 | WinterMute | anyone have a reasonable contributor application template? |
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| 16:32.22 | welterde | http://trac.i2p2.i2p.to/wiki/gsoc/ideas <- top of the page i think |
| 16:34.36 | zooko | invisible ip project? Cool! |
| 16:34.50 | zooko | It's fun hanging out on #gsoc and meeting these other projects that I haven't heard of in a while. |
| 16:35.05 | welterde | :) |
| 16:35.28 | venkat119 | :-D |
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| 16:48.06 | sfb | WinterMute: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc2009/ideas |
| 16:48.12 | sfb | Erp, sorry |
| 16:48.34 | sfb | WinterMute: http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoC2009ApplicationTemplate |
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| 16:48.53 | sfb | WinterMute: I also have a "reference" for writing proposals that's not actually part of the template: |
| 16:48.59 | sfb | WinterMute: http://dev.ryzom.com/projects/nel/wiki/GSoC2009WritingProposals |
| 16:52.56 | Kraln | lh: getting busy? |
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| 16:55.30 | zooko | Haiku OS? NeL? Really? This is such fun, crazy stuff. |
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| 16:56.28 | r0bby|mibbit | <3 |
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| 17:01.56 | lh | Kraln: a bit, but not too much |
| 17:02.17 | Kraln | If my organization gets approved, I'm going to be a mentor this year! =) |
| 17:02.32 | Kraln | didn't get the job at apple, though, so no suprise visits from me |
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| 17:02.59 | WinterMute | sfb, welterde, thanks for those |
| 17:03.04 | r0bby|mibbit | Kraln: awesaome! |
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| 17:03.30 | welterde | WinterMute: np :) |
| 17:03.34 | Kraln | WinterMute: you can check out the ones from 2008, too. here's OpenICC's page: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/OpenIccForGoogleSoC2008 |
| 17:04.06 | WinterMute | Kraln, the org application has changed a bit this year |
| 17:04.20 | WinterMute | there's a field for an html application template |
| 17:04.36 | VDVsx | lh, how many orgs app now ? :P |
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| 17:05.19 | lh | VDVsx: let me check |
| 17:06.31 | lh | VDVsx: 193 |
| 17:06.46 | VDVsx | lh, I expected more |
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| 17:07.17 | VDVsx | lh, do you remember how many applied last year ? |
| 17:07.23 | kowey | hello gsoc folks! |
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| 17:07.37 | kowey | I'm confused by the requirement that there be a link_id for the backup administrator |
| 17:07.42 | kowey | what am I supposed to plug in there? |
| 17:07.47 | lh | VDVsx: over 500 |
| 17:08.02 | VDVsx | lh,owww |
| 17:08.09 | Mathiasd1 | kowey: you let your backup administrator make an account (this involves choosing a link_id), and then enter that link_id |
| 17:08.27 | welterde | lh: how many usually apply on the last 1.5 days? |
| 17:08.48 | Kraln | OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! |
| 17:08.53 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 17:08.53 | Kraln | =p |
| 17:08.56 | kowey | oh! that seems obvious now that you mention it (I forgot that I had chosen a link_id for myself), thanks, Mathiasd1! |
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| 17:09.29 | welterde | Kraln: i hope not ;) |
| 17:09.34 | Kraln | lh: can you change my link_id? I thought it was something else ... |
| 17:09.52 | Mathiasd1 | I think you can change it yourself, Kraln |
| 17:09.59 | Kraln | nope |
| 17:10.11 | lh | Kraln: cannot be changed |
| 17:10.15 | welterde | Mathiasd1: only the public name |
| 17:10.21 | Kraln | lh: :-( |
| 17:10.35 | MatthewWilkes | Kraln: It's quite clear on the form that it can't be changed |
| 17:10.52 | Kraln | do I get to pick a new one next year? |
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| 17:11.03 | MatthewWilkes | Kraln: No, it's for your account |
| 17:11.17 | Kraln | then it definitely needs to be changed :| |
| 17:11.24 | MatthewWilkes | Kraln: What's wrong with it? |
| 17:11.41 | Kraln | it's a project id, not me |
| 17:11.43 | Kraln | and it's not my project |
| 17:11.44 | ajuonline | can haz cookies? |
| 17:11.59 | MatthewWilkes | Awesome. |
| 17:12.00 | Landon | ajuonline: no cookiews |
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| 17:12.08 | Landon | but you can have a mint.... or not, all gone! |
| 17:12.23 | lh | Kraln: you can create a new google account and start over |
| 17:12.41 | Kraln | lh: I've had this google account since gmail was in beta :} |
| 17:12.54 | Kraln | (that's a joke, btw) |
| 17:13.18 | Kraln | but when it was invite limited, or what have you |
| 17:13.27 | sid0 | gmail isn't in beta now? :o |
| 17:13.38 | sid0 | hasn't used the web interface in ages |
| 17:13.39 | Kraln | sid0: that's the joke |
| 17:13.39 | PeepOle | tubelight |
| 17:13.55 | sid0 | doh |
| 17:13.57 | PeepOle | :) |
| 17:14.00 | sid0 | hits himself on the head |
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| 17:14.39 | lh | Kraln: you might ask in #melange for help, but i don't think there's anything they can do. have to read the tool tips and docs i'm afriad. |
| 17:15.00 | Kraln | lh, rgr. thanks |
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| 17:18.11 | danderson | ~faq |
| 17:18.11 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 17:20.03 | venkat119 | ~faq |
| 17:20.04 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 17:20.29 | spectie | sfb, |
| 17:20.40 | spectie | did you just copy that from inkscape ? |
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| 17:23.43 | Landon | hah! |
| 17:23.53 | Landon | was googling for some methods of parsing dates |
| 17:23.59 | Landon | so I put in |
| 17:24.06 | Landon | fuzzy date parsing |
| 17:24.11 | Landon | seeing if that would get me anything |
| 17:24.15 | Landon | my soc project is link 2 :) |
| 17:25.03 | ajuonline | Landon: mine as well :) |
| 17:25.11 | ajuonline | Landon: when searching for "sahana sms" |
| 17:25.13 | Landon | for fuzzy date parsing? |
| 17:25.15 | Landon | oh :P |
| 17:25.20 | Landon | well thats directly related to your project |
| 17:25.21 | Landon | heh |
| 17:25.26 | ajuonline | link #2 |
| 17:25.54 | ajuonline | lh: http://sahana2009.foss.lk/agenda.html :D |
| 17:26.00 | Landon | I was looking for research papers and such on the topic, but there dont seem to be any |
| 17:26.01 | Landon | oh well |
| 17:26.02 | Landon | :p |
| 17:26.24 | ajuonline | lh: schedule is up, where is the program calendar btw? |
| 17:26.34 | lh | ajuonline: it's linked from the timeline |
| 17:26.53 | ajuonline | ~timeline |
| 17:26.54 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 timeline is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:27.00 | lh | ajuonline: so is this just a talk on your gsoc work with sahana or are you hoping other folks meet up with you there? |
| 17:27.30 | ajuonline | lh: the talk is on "community building" in India. |
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| 17:27.53 | ajuonline | lh: this is the first ever Sahana conf happening |
| 17:28.34 | lifeeth | ajuonline, Community building in India... /me wants to come :P |
| 17:29.37 | spectie | Landon, have you looked into NER ? |
| 17:29.53 | spectie | recognising dates is often a part of that |
| 17:29.56 | ajuonline | lifeeth: you are welcome :) |
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| 17:30.28 | Landon | spectie: mm, there are already grad students working on something like that |
| 17:30.33 | Landon | I don't think they've made much progr\ess though |
| 17:30.38 | lifeeth | ajuonline, No money and classes :D and clusters :P |
| 17:30.40 | Landon | is doing this research for work |
| 17:30.48 | spectie | Landon, so what is your 'fuzzy date parsing' for ? |
| 17:30.53 | Landon | I need to assign dates to events in articles and such |
| 17:31.00 | spectie | i mean, i'm surprised that there hasn't been work done before |
| 17:31.12 | Landon | like "outbreak occurred 1 week ago" and associate it with when the article was published |
| 17:31.43 | Landon | I will end up using a date parsing library, but I would have liked to see the general methods :) (without peering at codez) |
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| 17:31.59 | ajuonline | lh: i plan to meet the gsoc-ers there for a meetup, i mailed the list. no response though :) |
| 17:32.17 | spectie | Landon, i think GATE, for example just uses regex |
| 17:32.23 | spectie | for that |
| 17:32.33 | Landon | GATE? |
| 17:32.34 | spectie | you can probably extract candidate regexes from a corpus |
| 17:32.35 | spectie | yep |
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| 17:32.41 | Landon | (which is :D) |
| 17:32.46 | spectie | http://gate.ac.uk/ |
| 17:33.04 | Landon | ah |
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| 17:33.32 | Landon | yeah, regex are <3 |
| 17:34.27 | alexstre^ | remembers http://xkcd.com/208/ |
| 17:34.57 | Landon | everyone elses problems with python are about its whitespace |
| 17:35.06 | Landon | my problem with python is no builtin regex syntax |
| 17:35.07 | Landon | :( |
| 17:35.47 | spectie | my problem is no braces |
| 17:35.47 | spectie | but i solved that alright |
| 17:35.52 | spectie | #{ #} |
| 17:35.52 | Landon | what is it |
| 17:35.55 | Landon | import braces |
| 17:35.56 | Landon | :P |
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| 17:36.03 | danderson | from __future__ import braces |
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| 17:36.09 | Ori_B | danderson beat me to it. |
| 17:36.10 | spectie | that doesn't work D: |
| 17:36.12 | Landon | hehehe |
| 17:36.17 | Landon | SyntaxError: not a chance |
| 17:36.17 | spectie | (yeah i tried it) :D |
| 17:36.18 | danderson | >>> from __future__ import braces File "<stdin>", line 1 |
| 17:36.18 | danderson | SyntaxError: not a chance |
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| 17:36.29 | spectie | want to see the worse python you've ever seen ? |
| 17:36.29 | WinterMute | arrghh |
| 17:36.38 | Landon | spectie: no, I've already seen it :) |
| 17:36.45 | WinterMute | what's the deal with this link ID can't be changed thing? |
| 17:36.46 | Landon | first few scripts I made after coming from perl.... |
| 17:36.47 | Kraln | I've got some killer c that'll break your mind |
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| 17:36.59 | Landon | I had a ridiculous line of unbroken python |
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| 17:37.15 | Ori_B | Kraln: hm, I've seen some killer C macros |
| 17:37.17 | spectie | Landon, i pride myself on being unpythonic |
| 17:37.18 | spectie | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aIsDMW0cz |
| 17:37.21 | Ori_B | with a bit of C mixed in for good measure. |
| 17:37.22 | Kraln | Ori_B: I mean, killer bad. |
| 17:37.32 | Landon | speaking of awesome C: |
| 17:37.32 | Ori_B | Kraln: same here. |
| 17:37.49 | Landon | http://www.ioccc.org/1994/smr.hint |
| 17:37.57 | Landon | always gives me a giggle |
| 17:38.44 | Ori_B | Landon: mmm :) |
| 17:38.54 | Landon | spectie: I'm gonna chop your paradigm in hjalf! |
| 17:38.55 | Landon | :P |
| 17:38.59 | spectie | haha |
| 17:39.30 | Landon | I dont know whats worse |
| 17:39.35 | Landon | that you seem to be parsing xml |
| 17:39.39 | Landon | or that you seem to be outputting xml |
| 17:39.58 | spectie | haha |
| 17:40.12 | spectie | it turns 100mb XML files into 8mb XML files :> |
| 17:40.51 | Ori_B | spectie: erm. why? |
| 17:40.59 | Ori_B | and why am I not studying? |
| 17:41.03 | spectie | Ori_B, because it removes duplication |
| 17:41.17 | spectie | think of it as a 'uniq' |
| 17:41.29 | straydawg | Landon: lol ;) (parsing/outputting) |
| 17:41.30 | spectie | for morphological inflection paradigms |
| 17:41.44 | Ori_B | spectie: no, I meant why bother with the braces and such? |
| 17:41.58 | spectie | Ori_B, i can't read python for shit without the braces |
| 17:42.17 | Landon | spectie: does your editor do brace highlighting with the commented braces? |
| 17:42.17 | Ori_B | heh. |
| 17:42.18 | spectie | 8 space indent and braces is how programming was supposed to be! |
| 17:42.30 | spectie | yes Landon |
| 17:42.31 | spectie | :) |
| 17:42.33 | Landon | cool |
| 17:42.37 | spectie | (vim) |
| 17:42.38 | Ori_B | grabs a snack. |
| 17:42.42 | Ori_B | midterm in 45 minutes. |
| 17:42.46 | spectie | fun |
| 17:42.49 | spectie | ok, i'm off to take a nap |
| 17:42.51 | Landon | heh, my microcontrollers teacher is a stickler on assembly indention |
| 17:42.51 | spectie | back later all |
| 17:43.01 | Landon | 2 space indents! |
| 17:43.01 | Landon | :P |
| 17:43.26 | Landon | and other silly stuff like that that makes no sense to me |
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| 17:43.44 | Landon | actually, indention in assembly seems like a no win situation to me at all |
| 17:43.45 | Landon | I do fine |
| 17:43.49 | Landon | up until I get to a branch |
| 17:43.53 | Landon | then I'm just like wtf do I do now |
| 17:44.18 | Ori_B | switch to C :P |
| 17:44.23 | Landon | few more labs to go |
| 17:44.24 | Landon | :) |
| 17:44.32 | Ori_B | assembly is great to know |
| 17:44.42 | Landon | although I kind of like assembly |
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| 17:44.48 | Landon | its like the polar opposite of python |
| 17:44.49 | Ori_B | but I wouldn't write programs in it very often |
| 17:44.53 | Landon | in python you're not supposed to be clever |
| 17:44.58 | Landon | in assembly, you're forced to be clever |
| 17:44.58 | Landon | :) |
| 17:45.02 | WinterMute | mutters under his breath |
| 17:45.04 | WinterMute | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=342 |
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| 17:46.15 | lh | WinterMute: thanks for filing the issue. i dont know that there's a workaround now, nor that we can get to fixing this. |
| 17:46.58 | WinterMute | lh, don't suppose the account can be deleted & have him set up another profile? |
| 17:47.22 | Kraln | feels dopey ++ |
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| 17:47.31 | lh | WinterMute: it might be possible. ask in #melange |
| 17:47.40 | WinterMute | and does that mean that the linkid for the org will need to be different? |
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| 17:50.33 | rodrigo_ayala | Hi, i have a question about gsoc.. anyone here to listen me? |
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| 17:50.47 | Landon | up up and aawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! |
| 17:50.59 | lh | rodrigo_ayala: what's up? |
| 17:51.58 | rodrigo_ayala | Hi!.. thanks for paying attention.. well... i want to get in in gsoc as a Student... so, my question is, every proposal is individual? or you must be in a group of students? |
| 17:52.12 | ajuonline | rodrigo_ayala: individual. |
| 17:52.13 | PeepOle | has a phobia against apache tomcat |
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| 17:52.47 | rodrigo_ayala | ahh okey thanks... |
| 17:52.50 | lh | rodrigo_ayala: that's covered in the FAQ. |
| 17:52.52 | lh | ~faq |
| 17:52.53 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 17:52.59 | lh | rodrigo_ayala: take a look at it, it's very helpful |
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| 17:53.25 | rodrigo_ayala | .. really? jeje LOL .. thanks!.. i read it but it seems that i didnt see that part |
| 17:54.05 | Lennie | hiya |
| 17:54.20 | lh | Lennie: greets! |
| 17:54.30 | Lennie | greetings lh :) |
| 17:54.34 | lh | rodrigo_ayala: yes, there's a question in there about working in teams. :) |
| 17:55.46 | Lennie | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#group_apply |
| 17:55.51 | Lennie | if you want the anchored version :) |
| 17:56.35 | ajuonline | hey Lennie :) |
| 17:56.37 | rodrigo_ayala | you're right!.. that explains my questions... thanks :) |
| 17:56.43 | Lennie | hi ajuonline |
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| 17:56.45 | ajuonline | Lennie: how was TBBT and Heroes? ;) |
| 17:56.53 | Lennie | Heroes was awesome :D |
| 17:57.07 | Lennie | but the scene in the hallway with the window was predictable :P |
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| 17:58.01 | rodrigo_ayala | this will be my first time that I'll be in gsoc... do anyone have some past proposal from an idea? |
| 17:58.36 | lh | rodrigo_ayala: i would look at the wiki advice for students |
| 17:58.38 | lh | ~advice |
| 17:58.39 | ibot | Advice is something for which you must pay attention. Many people get irritated if they have to repeat themselves. Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't. |
| 17:58.45 | lh | lol |
| 17:58.49 | lh | well that wasn't what i expected |
| 17:58.58 | lh | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents |
| 17:59.06 | rodrigo_ayala | okey |
| 17:59.19 | lh | failing that, google for applications submitted to a project you like. no doubt someone has posted theirs somewhere |
| 17:59.48 | danderson | ~forget advice |
| 18:00.04 | danderson | gaaah, fuck you retarded piece of shit ibot |
| 18:00.13 | Lennie | ^_^ |
| 18:00.15 | rodrigo_ayala | jajaja... |
| 18:00.16 | danderson | no, advice is 18:58:40 < ibot> Advice is something for which you must pay attention. Many people get irritated if they have to repeat themselves. Advice is what we ask for w |
| 18:00.19 | rodrigo_ayala | thanks lh |
| 18:00.23 | danderson | ~forget advice |
| 18:00.38 | sid0 | heh |
| 18:00.39 | lh | rodrigo_ayala: np |
| 18:00.46 | danderson | since when can factoids not be removed because "Too old" ?! |
| 18:00.52 | danderson | that's it, I'm putting socbot back |
| 18:01.04 | brlcad | ~gsocadvice is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents |
| 18:01.05 | ibot | ...but gsocadvice is already something else... |
| 18:01.06 | danderson | enough with the ibot aggro. |
| 18:01.16 | brlcad | ~gsocadvice |
| 18:01.16 | ibot | somebody said gsocadvice was http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents and http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors |
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| 18:02.20 | brlcad | too old means it's been a particular established factoid for many years so to prevent abuse, it's locked |
| 18:02.34 | danderson | which, in this channel, is retarded. |
| 18:02.37 | danderson | I'm sorry, but it is. |
| 18:02.49 | brlcad | not for a global service |
| 18:02.57 | brlcad | which ibot is |
| 18:03.01 | danderson | so, for *this* channel, a global service is retarded |
| 18:03.03 | danderson | I rest my case. |
| 18:03.20 | brlcad | everyone's entitled to their own wrong opinions |
| 18:03.45 | danderson | if I wanted advice on advice, philosophy or 15th century history, I'd not want it on #gsoc |
| 18:04.27 | danderson | and hoarding valuable word real estate for useless tautologies is so bad it's not even on the scales |
| 18:04.28 | brlcad | when you live on irc and are in a dozen channels, having factoids consistent across hundreds of channels is incredibly useful |
| 18:04.52 | danderson | yeah, because channels aren't namespaces where different replies are relevant. |
| 18:04.53 | brlcad | everyone in here by definition belongs to another community |
| 18:04.56 | danderson | obviously. |
| 18:05.21 | danderson | so, as I understand it, whenever anyone in any of these channels wants advice now, he gets sent to SoC? |
| 18:05.32 | danderson | great. |
| 18:05.34 | danderson | ~faq |
| 18:05.35 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 18:05.52 | brlcad | that factoid was obviously not old/established enough |
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| 18:06.05 | brlcad | so yeah, got to trump it |
| 18:06.16 | danderson | and thus got replaced by a namespace-specific piece of data, globally. |
| 18:06.28 | danderson | it's namespaceless programming languages all over again |
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| 18:06.47 | brlcad | sure, because it wasn't in use long enough |
| 18:07.00 | danderson | now all we have to do is wait until someone in another channel feels like a FAQ factoid and overwrites ours. |
| 18:07.15 | danderson | or wait until next year and be unable to modify the FAQ link |
| 18:07.26 | brlcad | yep, entirely possible .. and then the poeple in this channel would learn that it needs to include some context |
| 18:07.30 | danderson | wrong in so many ways I'll just stop counting |
| 18:07.32 | brlcad | so you can benefit from both |
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| 18:07.51 | Catfish_Man | gotta agree with danderson here. Having global channel-specific factoids is just silly |
| 18:07.53 | danderson | yeah, so we should integrate namespace into factoid names |
| 18:08.01 | Catfish_Man | nobody in #foo needs to know gsoc factoids |
| 18:08.02 | danderson | instead of using the namespacing provided by IRC channels |
| 18:08.27 | danderson | hell, I'd be happy with a global base of factoids that can be overridden on a per channel level |
| 18:08.41 | danderson | if you really want the useless crap, fine. Just let namespaces override with relevant answers. |
| 18:08.48 | brlcad | having the rest of the factoids on hand far outweighs the implied "pain" of just adding some context to the factoid in question if it's context-specific |
| 18:09.29 | danderson | I am 99% certain that if I crunch my channel logs, that will turn out to be incorrect. |
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| 18:10.20 | brlcad | only because the few that use the bot were even aware that it's a multi-channel network service |
| 18:10.39 | danderson | furthermore, they expect it to be a local service |
| 18:10.56 | danderson | therefore, not only do they not care about the service, but they then get a confusing UX |
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| 18:11.12 | brlcad | that's BS if you live on multiple channels already and work with bots all the time |
| 18:11.19 | Catfish_Man | brlcad: we don't |
| 18:11.25 | danderson | I live on about 40 channels |
| 18:11.27 | brlcad | they learn what they're told |
| 18:11.32 | Catfish_Man | basically you're saying that because it COULD be better, it doesn't matter that it's worse |
| 18:11.33 | danderson | 1) this is the only one with ibot in it |
| 18:11.37 | danderson | 2) I talk to people, not bots |
| 18:11.41 | Landon | brlcad: regardless, what's good for the user is good for the gander |
| 18:11.43 | brlcad | danderson: the bot has a dozen different names |
| 18:11.53 | Catfish_Man | brlcad: is it the same as jibot? |
| 18:11.57 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:12.02 | Kraln | whoever just sent me that email, thanks |
| 18:12.03 | danderson | none of which appear to be used in the channels I frequent |
| 18:12.07 | brlcad | jbot, ibot, apt, .. |
| 18:12.08 | lh | is there some reason not to bring back gsoc bot or another bot for gsoc specific information |
| 18:12.23 | brlcad | lh: not really |
| 18:12.25 | lh | i can't imagine dealing with two bots is that bad |
| 18:12.28 | Catfish_Man | brlcad: heh. We banned it from #webkit a while back |
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| 18:12.55 | lh | i suggest the best solution is to that then. all needs met, life is good. |
| 18:12.56 | chx | Is there a way to check whether Drupal already applied as an organization? |
| 18:13.01 | chx | lh: hi |
| 18:13.02 | lh | chx: checking |
| 18:13.14 | lh | chx: greetings my orange juice consuming friend. |
| 18:13.14 | Kraln | lh: I'm all set, thanks! :-D |
| 18:13.37 | lh | Kraln: excellent, how did you get your problem solved? |
| 18:13.40 | chx | :) |
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| 18:13.53 | Kraln | lh: got an email from Sverre |
| 18:13.55 | lh | chx: application in |
| 18:13.59 | chx | great |
| 18:14.01 | Kraln | he deleted it |
| 18:14.02 | lh | Kraln: in response to a bug report or ... ? |
| 18:14.11 | chx | I was unable to catch Alex and did not want to miss the deadline. |
| 18:14.12 | Kraln | nfi. |
| 18:14.40 | lh | chx: you are all good my friend. |
| 18:14.50 | chx | we already have students interested (and my former student wants to rerun. i was not that bad a mentor, apparently) |
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| 18:15.09 | lh | chx: why am i not surprised? |
| 18:15.11 | WinterMute | lh, in response to the bug report - they marked it wontfix though :/ |
| 18:15.17 | WinterMute | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=342 |
| 18:15.25 | chx | oh, and a GHOP student is working on a former GSOC project (which was my idea) to get in core. Awesome :) |
| 18:15.36 | lh | WinterMute: i think it's a won't fix bug. that's how the system works. apparently the account tied to that link id can be deleted, ask in #melange |
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| 18:16.15 | WinterMute | yeah, the account was deleted just worried that the linkid for the org will be affected |
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| 18:16.43 | lh | WinterMute: why would it be affected? |
| 18:16.50 | chx | I am SO excited about GSoC this year. We learned so much and now we have some new ideas on how to make things even better :) |
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| 18:17.53 | mperedim | lh: is gsoc-discuss the right place to pre-advertise our mentoring organization and ideas before the mentoring organizations are announced? |
| 18:18.28 | mperedim | lh: it would be nice if people can take a peek before 18/3 ... I'm just concerned whether we should wait till you announce the mentoring organization results |
| 18:18.53 | lh | mperedim: that's fine. please make sure that you are clear about the fact that there is no guarantee you will be accepted and that you would welcoem contribution in these areas regardless of your participation or not in GSoC. |
| 18:19.20 | Kraln | GSoC bought me taco bell the other day -- had to use the last $5 |
| 18:19.22 | mperedim | lh: thanks |
| 18:19.38 | Landon | I've still got a bit of moeny left |
| 18:19.41 | Landon | need to get it off the card though |
| 18:19.42 | Landon | >.< |
| 18:19.45 | Kraln | better use it quick! |
| 18:19.50 | harlan | Where should I nose around to find how to produce an org template? |
| 18:19.56 | Landon | especially likes the not paying for ATM fees |
| 18:20.02 | Landon | I can probably get it all off in 1 or 2 days |
| 18:20.10 | Landon | by going down the bank of ATMs at the student union |
| 18:20.10 | Landon | :P |
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| 18:20.17 | lh | mperedim: np |
| 18:20.28 | Landon | of course |
| 18:20.32 | Landon | I'll have a fat wad of 20s :) |
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| 18:20.39 | harlan | or where could I find an org template I could swipe and "alter to fit"? |
| 18:20.43 | lh | harlan: some suggestions were just sent to the mentors mailing list |
| 18:20.52 | zooko | I asked for Mentors in the following way: |
| 18:20.53 | zooko | http://allmydata.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2009-March/001450.html |
| 18:20.58 | harlan | oh, I'll check my email, thanks lh! |
| 18:21.03 | lh | harlan: my pleasure |
| 18:21.06 | zooko | I haven't done this before, but I assume that what I said about what is and isn't required to be a good Mentor is true. :-) |
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| 18:21.23 | lh | up to 197 org apps |
| 18:21.31 | lh | waits for 200 to tweet and dent about it |
| 18:22.17 | amit8-89 | wow :) |
| 18:22.35 | Kraln | lh: we're working on ours now :-D |
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| 18:22.45 | Kraln | do I get extra points for being a thorn in your side? |
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| 18:23.17 | chx | tweet??? |
| 18:23.20 | chx | you twitter? |
| 18:23.22 | chx | where? |
| 18:23.27 | lh | Kraln: groovy. and not really no. but you don't get negatives either |
| 18:23.31 | chx | missed the memo |
| 18:23.36 | lh | chx: lh on identi.ca, lhawthorn on twitter |
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| 18:23.51 | Kraln | lh: :p |
| 18:24.04 | lh | chx: are you on twitter too? |
| 18:24.09 | Kraln | next time you come to dc you let me know I'll buy you a beer |
| 18:24.17 | lh | Kraln: done. :) |
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| 18:24.37 | chx | lh: i am and you presumedly just got a mail stating that i now follow you. i am using chx1975 |
| 18:24.55 | chx | lh: someone pwn'd the chx login and does not use it and twitter did not react to me asking for the nick. |
| 18:24.57 | lh | chx: now following you |
| 18:24.57 | harlan | lh: found it - thanks! |
| 18:25.08 | lh | chx: that stinks. :( |
| 18:25.12 | ajuonline | follows chx as well |
| 18:25.14 | lh | harlan: great! |
| 18:25.19 | lh | anyone else here tweet? |
| 18:25.25 | lh | will update following list |
| 18:25.32 | harlan | only if somebody squeezes me the right way. |
| 18:25.53 | Landon | pokes harlan in the stomach |
| 18:25.57 | lh | harlan: lol. that's awesome. |
| 18:25.58 | harlan | :) |
| 18:26.19 | ajuonline | raises hands |
| 18:26.53 | phillipadsmith | Quick question about the application question "1. Describe your organization. |
| 18:27.03 | chx | quicksketch made a (rather silly) dare that if he gets 200 followers then he starts twittering |
| 18:27.06 | lh | sure what's the question |
| 18:27.16 | lh | chx: how long did that take? |
| 18:27.17 | phillipadsmith | in 2006, we had a description of our _product_ not our *organization* |
| 18:27.41 | chx | lh: 12 hours before the word got around? |
| 18:27.43 | chx | lh: or so. |
| 18:27.46 | phillipadsmith | is the question about our organizational capacity to manage the students, or just a general question about the organization's product (bricolage) |
| 18:28.05 | lut4rp | chx: yaay now you're here too :) |
| 18:28.09 | straszheim | anybody know if it is possible to go back and edit the organization application after it is first submitted? |
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| 18:28.37 | harlan | I sure hope so,, straszheim - I need to add in the org app template |
| 18:28.43 | lh | phillipadsmith: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp |
| 18:28.57 | WinterMute | straszheim, yes it is |
| 18:29.06 | straszheim | WinterMute, roger that. thanks. |
| 18:29.07 | WinterMute | has submitted & is editing as we speak |
| 18:29.09 | phillipadsmith | lh: thanks! I'll give that a read |
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| 18:29.35 | WinterMute | lh, org profile stuff is only accessible to accepted orgs? |
| 18:29.51 | VDVsx | straszheim, sign in -> list my org app, then click in the org name :) |
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| 18:30.15 | lh | WinterMute: that is not necessary to fill out unless you are accepted, yes. |
| 18:30.28 | lh | hugs the in depth section of the user's guidce |
| 18:30.34 | lh | s/guidce/guide |
| 18:31.23 | WinterMute | would be kind of nice to have multiple admins at the application stage :p |
| 18:32.04 | welterde | lh: got some time to look at the application to ensure we got "everything alright"(TM)? |
| 18:32.13 | lh | up to 199..... |
| 18:32.18 | welterde | *application of i2p |
| 18:32.23 | lh | welterde: not right now but perhaps later today. |
| 18:32.34 | welterde | great :) |
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| 18:37.05 | zooko | lh: if you look at my note please let me know if it reveals any error on my part: http://allmydata.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2009-March/001450.html |
| 18:37.13 | zooko | I'm the admin for tahoe project. |
| 18:37.33 | lh | zooko: lgtm |
| 18:37.38 | lh | we just hit 200 |
| 18:37.41 | lh | goes to tweet |
| 18:38.12 | ajuonline | lh: we need chocolates! |
| 18:38.59 | lh | ajuonline: serve some up |
| 18:39.00 | lh | :) |
| 18:39.20 | ajuonline | lh: i know you dont like chocolates. but is your stock over? ;) |
| 18:40.50 | lh | i am busy atm dear |
| 18:40.50 | lh | :( |
| 18:40.52 | lh | er |
| 18:40.53 | lh | :) |
| 18:41.17 | ajuonline | ok no worries :) |
| 18:41.20 | ajuonline | sleeps |
| 18:41.23 | ajuonline | lh: have a nice day! |
| 18:41.47 | lh | ajuonline: you too |
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| 18:44.07 | durin42 | lh: Adium trunk supports twitter now |
| 18:45.01 | lh | durin42: hawt! |
| 18:45.02 | lh | :) |
| 18:45.21 | durin42 | lh: http://twitter.com/durin42/status/1316486325 notice the app on that tweet :) |
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| 18:45.38 | durin42 | Catfish_Man and another dev have been fixing everything and making it rock |
| 18:45.54 | Catfish_Man | zac mostly, for twitter stuff :) |
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| 18:46.24 | lh | durin42: that is fantastic. :) |
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| 18:46.29 | lh | updates followers |
| 18:46.50 | pygi | durin42, yea, when in the world have you seen Catfish_Man doing anything but slacking? :-P |
| 18:47.00 | Jeff_S | wow, that's lots of applications! |
| 18:47.06 | durin42 | pygi: ha |
| 18:47.51 | lh | Jeff_S: especially considering the procrastination factor |
| 18:47.51 | lh | :) |
| 18:47.53 | homunq | wonders what was in the tweet |
| 18:47.57 | lh | Jeff_S: you on twitter? |
| 18:47.57 | Jeff_S | lh: lol |
| 18:48.00 | homunq | "lots"? |
| 18:48.05 | lh | homunq: 200 |
| 18:48.10 | Jeff_S | lh: yes... 'sheltren', just saw your tweet |
| 18:48.10 | homunq | wow |
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| 18:48.58 | lh | Jeff_S: thanks |
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| 18:50.41 | PeepOle | Hey, will accepted org names be released on this channel one by one (as they get accepted) or will this be a fell swoop thing on 18th? |
| 18:51.10 | pygi | PeepOle, learn from previous years |
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| 18:51.21 | pygi | they'll probably be announced all in one go, on March 23rd |
| 18:51.50 | lh | PeepOle: you get an email and we post the list on the website |
| 18:51.57 | PeepOle | 23rd or 18th? |
| 18:52.04 | PeepOle | goes looking for the faq |
| 18:52.12 | pygi | PeepOle, delay factor :P |
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| 18:52.54 | PeepOle | ~faq |
| 18:52.54 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 18:52.58 | PeepOle | :P |
| 18:53.24 | PeepOle | March 18th |
| 18:53.35 | PeepOle | not 23rd |
| 18:53.44 | pygi | PeepOle, as I said :p |
| 18:53.47 | pygi | delay factor :p |
| 18:53.52 | pygi | stop taking things for granted :p |
| 18:53.59 | pygi | lh, hi kid! |
| 18:54.05 | lh | pygi: yo! |
| 18:54.16 | pygi | got come cookies and cocoa for me today? :D |
| 18:56.59 | PeepOle | whispers metrocarnet |
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| 18:57.46 | homunq | How do I find people's link ID from their name? |
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| 18:58.23 | newbie | hello |
| 18:58.26 | homunq | The person who was going to submit our application today (mchua) is incommunicado, and so I (the backup admin) am going to submit it |
| 18:58.51 | homunq | but I need mchua's link id to put her as backup admin |
| 18:59.36 | homunq | presumes it's mchua or melchua, but can't see how to check. |
| 18:59.43 | newbie | I'm filling the form for my group of investigation to become a mentor organization for gsoc. |
| 19:00.06 | newbie | there's field I do not really understand |
| 19:00.24 | newbie | the field is that with the backup administrator |
| 19:01.15 | homunq | newbie: you need someone else to log in and make their profile |
| 19:01.27 | newbie | we created a profile in the google open source programs area |
| 19:01.39 | newbie | but he doesn't appear in the list |
| 19:01.45 | newbie | *on |
| 19:02.45 | homunq | newbie: thank you, I did not realize there was a list :) |
| 19:03.11 | homunq | newbie: you tried typing the link id, not the visible name, right? |
| 19:03.24 | newbie | sorry for the stupid question, I only needed to refresh the webpage |
| 19:04.05 | newbie | so, I finished filling the application, what to do next?? |
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| 19:04.45 | lh | newbie: you really need to take a look at the user's guide |
| 19:04.57 | lh | it answers every question you have just asked |
| 19:05.07 | lh | newbie: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 19:05.18 | lh | i would start with the in-depth documentation |
| 19:05.19 | lh | :) |
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| 19:06.18 | pygi | suspects lh is in love with that "in-depth documentation"... |
| 19:06.48 | lh | pygi: it's very useful. |
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| 19:18.12 | homunq | just submitted ... er ... "saved" the application for sugarlabs. Yay! |
| 19:18.27 | Kraln | hey, could anyone help critique my ideas page? |
| 19:18.30 | spectie | hey pygi |
| 19:18.35 | spectie | long time no see ;) |
| 19:18.42 | Kraln | * my organizations * ideas page |
| 19:18.51 | spectie | Kraln, sure |
| 19:19.11 | pygi | spectie, my friend! |
| 19:19.14 | Kraln | kayo- http://wiki.devkitpro.org/index.php/Google_Summer_Of_Code |
| 19:19.19 | homunq | many of our answers were quite short, but hopefully to-the-point. 2-3 sentences. |
| 19:19.30 | homunq | although our student application is long |
| 19:19.40 | pygi | spectie, how are you doing? |
| 19:19.43 | homunq | Is that normal for folks here? |
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| 19:20.08 | pygi | Kraln, do you plan on sending Wii's to students? :-P |
| 19:20.12 | spectie | pygi, good thanks |
| 19:20.23 | spectie | homunq, we put in about a paragraph for each one |
| 19:20.28 | spectie | = 3-4 sentences |
| 19:20.34 | Kraln | pygi: if they don't already have one, I think the initial payment covers it =p |
| 19:20.37 | straszheim | is the backup admin supposed to be able to edit the org app? |
| 19:20.47 | homunq | our app is here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/SL_application |
| 19:20.50 | pygi | Kraln, you're not cool at all l:-P |
| 19:20.51 | Kraln | straszheim: newp |
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| 19:21.09 | Kraln | pygi: we can probably send dev stuff for people working on ds stuff =) |
| 19:21.29 | spectie | Kraln, http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application%2C_2009 |
| 19:21.30 | spectie | this is ours |
| 19:21.41 | spectie | orryhttp://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_2009 |
| 19:21.43 | straszheim | k, thanks kraln |
| 19:21.44 | pygi | Kraln, :P |
| 19:21.44 | spectie | without the ',' |
| 19:21.59 | homunq | spectie: is Mayan on your ideas page :) |
| 19:22.10 | spectie | homunq, nope, we have aymara though |
| 19:22.25 | spectie | homunq, want to suggest it ? ;) |
| 19:22.43 | Kraln | didn't XO dump sugar in favor of windows? |
| 19:23.03 | Kraln | rather, negroponte |
| 19:23.20 | homunq | Kraln: short answer, no. |
| 19:23.31 | Kraln | fair enough |
| 19:24.06 | homunq | that was mostly windows FUD, with Negroponte getting caught up in propagating it |
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| 19:24.21 | homunq | Anyway, Sugar is not just for the XO anymore. |
| 19:25.10 | homunq | And 99% of XOs in the field, >95% of new shipments, run Sugar |
| 19:25.54 | homunq | spectie: I think Mayan will be ready for next year. |
| 19:26.00 | spectie | great |
| 19:26.06 | Lennie | OMG @ new Star Trek Trailer |
| 19:26.15 | spectie | :) |
| 19:26.20 | homunq | (the K'iche' branch, primarily) |
| 19:26.29 | Lennie | http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/ ^_^ |
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| 19:26.51 | spectie | homunq, nice |
| 19:26.53 | straszheim | sooo, there's no way for more than one person to have write access to the org app |
| 19:26.58 | spectie | homunq, with spanish ? |
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| 19:27.17 | Lennie | straszheim, atm no. Feature request for that has been filled though |
| 19:27.30 | straszheim | roger, thanks again. |
| 19:27.43 | homunq | spectie: you say basque->spanish is decent, but I still have my doubts as to how useful. |
| 19:27.59 | spectie | homunq, depends on if you understand basque or not |
| 19:28.00 | spectie | ;) |
| 19:28.10 | homunq | I still think that mayan->mayan is more applicable |
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| 19:28.15 | spectie | yep |
| 19:28.16 | spectie | i agree |
| 19:28.23 | spectie | but the development process would be longer |
| 19:28.31 | homunq | like basque, mayan languages are ergative - makes for total mess. |
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| 19:28.52 | spectie | homunq, yep |
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| 19:29.41 | homunq | spectie: do you have any contact with berto d' sera? |
| 19:29.45 | spectie | yep |
| 19:29.49 | spectie | i met him in italy |
| 19:30.00 | homunq | do you know if he could apply? |
| 19:30.15 | homunq | I mean, is he a "student"? |
| 19:30.17 | spectie | i gave a presentation about open-source MT for lesser-resourced languages [particularly in this case piemontese] |
| 19:30.19 | spectie | homunq, no! |
| 19:30.25 | spectie | he's a guy... 40 or so |
| 19:30.27 | spectie | lives in ukraine |
| 19:30.46 | homunq | hey, plenty of "student"s are 40 |
| 19:30.50 | homunq | but OK |
| 19:30.54 | spectie | homunq, yeah, my mum is |
| 19:30.58 | spectie | but he isn't ;) |
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| 19:31.30 | homunq | I would so love to have some protege of his as a student for Sugarlabs |
| 19:32.15 | spectie | to work on which project ? |
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| 19:33.07 | homunq | spectie: to port his Ambaradan thingie to Sugar |
| 19:33.26 | spectie | hmm, not seen that |
| 19:33.33 | Gurpartap | Why does #gsoc have auto OP? |
| 19:33.34 | Gurpartap | :) |
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| 19:33.37 | spectie | url ? |
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| 19:33.49 | spectie | Gurpartap, lh runs this place man |
| 19:34.00 | homunq | spectie: http://vademecum.i-iter.org/category/subject/ambaradan ... still somewhat vaporware |
| 19:34.03 | pygi | homunq, oh, so sugarlabs applied this year? |
| 19:34.04 | lh | Gurpartap: it actually autoops people from google too, but no matter |
| 19:34.15 | homunq | pygi: yep |
| 19:34.17 | pygi | might re-apply with his little financial app or something then :P |
| 19:34.25 | pygi | lh, and I don't have op, how rude :p |
| 19:34.34 | homunq | pygi: cool |
| 19:34.37 | pygi | after all the cocoa and cookies I handed out to you... |
| 19:34.38 | pygi | :-P |
| 19:35.06 | pygi | homunq, last year it ended up being a mess for OLPC |
| 19:35.15 | homunq | definitely |
| 19:35.18 | Gurpartap | lh: i don't mind :) but my client fires a sound as if someone's putting shots in a gun :p |
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| 19:35.26 | Gurpartap | and upon /kick it sounds like a gun shot :P |
| 19:35.32 | GAdmiral_Matt | hello all |
| 19:35.45 | homunq | hopefully, sugarlabs does not inherit any original sin |
| 19:35.52 | lh | Gurpartap: adjust your settings? :) |
| 19:35.54 | GAdmiral_Matt | lol |
| 19:36.08 | Gurpartap | lh: Actually I love that hahah :) |
| 19:36.21 | pygi | homunq, :) |
| 19:36.26 | pygi | any ideas page or something? |
| 19:36.28 | Kraln | what was the OG Sin? |
| 19:36.29 | homunq | but does inherit all the experience to not start out as a "new org" |
| 19:36.58 | homunq | pygi: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas |
| 19:37.02 | Gurpartap | lh: I would have done, if it allowed per channel settings for this. But never mind :D |
| 19:37.08 | pygi | homunq, do you need remote burning? :-P |
| 19:37.10 | lh | Gurpartap: ok. |
| 19:37.30 | homunq | pygi: huh? remote burning? |
| 19:37.44 | pygi | homunq, yes xD |
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| 19:37.58 | pygi | an app that would give you ability to burn your files to a disc on remote computer xD |
| 19:38.03 | meonkeys | in the Organization Application, what is "Link ID"? |
| 19:38.17 | meonkeys | Mine, the organization's (made up?), or something else? |
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| 19:38.37 | Catfish_Man | the organization's |
| 19:38.37 | homunq | pygi: well... backup is a definite area where we could improve. |
| 19:38.51 | homunq | but not "remote burning" per se. |
| 19:38.54 | meonkeys | Catfish_Man: thanks. |
| 19:38.58 | pygi | homunq, :-/ |
| 19:39.06 | Kraln | homunq: do students get an XO laptop if they get accepted to your mentorship? |
| 19:39.19 | ajuonline | hi pygi |
| 19:39.20 | homunq | Kraln: we are not OLPC! |
| 19:39.31 | pygi | ajuonline, hi! |
| 19:39.46 | pygi | ajuonline, you see those people, how evil they are, they don't let me integrate burning everywhere! |
| 19:40.11 | homunq | OLPC has a good developer's program, and if some Sugar Labs students wanted to apply to get laptops, even as a group, we'd help them organize it |
| 19:40.19 | homunq | and support it |
| 19:40.25 | homunq | and they'd probably get one |
| 19:40.25 | ajuonline | pygi: i see, everyone shpuld know that messing up with smart kids is a serious offense |
| 19:40.45 | homunq | but we do not want Sugar's future to be tied to the XO |
| 19:41.07 | homunq | and the organizations are completely independent, |
| 19:41.44 | Kraln | homunq: understood loud and clear. |
| 19:41.47 | homunq | though there is friendly communication (except with some OLPC upper management) |
| 19:41.57 | pygi | homunq, exploiting avahi to do backups of users files to another nearby computer would be good then? :-P |
| 19:42.02 | Kraln | heh, sounds like you're not too happy with negroponte |
| 19:42.03 | pygi | (tho that is NOT burning :() |
| 19:42.36 | homunq | well, speaking as a Latin American, he's better than his brother... :) |
| 19:42.47 | ajuonline | pygi: dont see you around in web2py? |
| 19:43.19 | pygi | ajuonline, what, you miss me? :D |
| 19:43.45 | ajuonline | pygi: lol. :P |
| 19:43.52 | pygi | exactly my point :p |
| 19:44.18 | homunq | kraln: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte |
| 19:44.52 | ajuonline | puts cold water on pygi and runs |
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| 19:46.07 | pygi | burns the water.... |
| 19:46.11 | pygi | ajuonline, take that! |
| 19:46.53 | Kraln | homunq: your page keeps changing colors |
| 19:46.54 | ajuonline | hah, thats not even remotely possible |
| 19:47.05 | pygi | ajuonline, I have burning powers! |
| 19:47.14 | zooko | I was just wishing for an OLPC of my own,. |
| 19:47.23 | zooko | So that I don't keep borrowing my children's. :-) |
| 19:47.36 | ajuonline | pygi: dont believe you, unless your Claire's mom. |
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| 19:47.56 | pygi | ajuonline, who's Claire? o.O |
| 19:48.15 | ajuonline | pygi: you _dont_ watch heroes? |
| 19:48.26 | ajuonline | Lennie: ^ |
| 19:48.37 | Lennie | :) |
| 19:49.02 | homunq | kraln: all part of the service |
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| 19:49.41 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I stopped watching heroes |
| 19:49.50 | summatusmentis | SO angsty |
| 19:49.51 | pygi | ajuonline, no, I am sorry |
| 19:49.53 | homunq | zooko: /me serious about OLPC's developer program |
| 19:50.12 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: so what? you even stopped wearin diapers. long back. :P |
| 19:50.16 | homunq | if you are going to do useful work, and can show you're serious, they may well give you one. |
| 19:50.27 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: point is, nothing wrong with not watching geroes :) |
| 19:50.43 | zooko | Cool! I don't really know if I'll ever get around to my fun, I mean useful and serious, OLPC projects though. |
| 19:51.11 | zooko | Also, of course, like a lot of people I'm a bit leary of contributing to OLPC because of the whole Negoponte/Microsoft issue. |
| 19:51.43 | homunq | but if you have a USB stick, you can burn Sugar on a Stick and get almost the same experience :) |
| 19:51.46 | pygi | homunq, you've got pm :p |
| 19:51.50 | Kraln | sugar is not OLPC though |
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| 19:52.22 | zooko | Yeah, part of what I want is to explore the hardware a bit. |
| 19:52.26 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: you can still be forgiven, you at least know who claire's mom is. unlike pygi |
| 19:52.31 | zooko | Maybe help more open source software run better on small devices. |
| 19:52.38 | summatusmentis | fair |
| 19:53.09 | pygi | ajuonline, whoever she is, she can't burn DVDs! |
| 19:53.18 | ajuonline | zooko: totally agree with that. especially with Sahana :) |
| 19:53.36 | ajuonline | pygi: she can burn anything you can think of ;) |
| 19:53.55 | pygi | ajuonline, so not true! |
| 19:54.06 | zooko | googles Sahana |
| 19:54.13 | ajuonline | zooko: www.sahana.lk |
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| 19:56.00 | zooko | Wow, cool. |
| 19:56.04 | Ivanovic | okay, the wesnoth application is submitted now |
| 19:56.19 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: good luck :) |
| 19:56.20 | Ivanovic | now we (wesnoth people) just got to hope to get in... |
| 19:56.32 | zooko | Speaking of OLPC, Wesnoth is the major problem my children have with their OLPC.s |
| 19:56.37 | Kraln | lh: some of our project ideas involve some hardware reverse engineering. They're completely legal in the united states, but I just want to be sure that it isn't a point of contention. Think it'll be okay? |
| 19:56.39 | zooko | It locks up -- probably too much RAM requirements. |
| 19:57.18 | ajuonline | Kraln: sorry to interrupt, which project is it? ;) |
| 19:57.35 | Kraln | ajuonline: devkitpro. some of the debugging and other stuff requires a bit of the old RE |
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| 20:01.45 | Kraln | did I kill the chatroom? *pokes everyone* |
| 20:01.53 | locutus3 | Hi @lh, have Java Pathfinder organization applied already ? |
| 20:02.00 | Mathiasd1 | pokes back at Kraln |
| 20:02.05 | zooko | is poked. |
| 20:02.30 | ajuonline | sleeps finally after having dinner |
| 20:02.34 | ajuonline | night all |
| 20:02.47 | zooko | Good night! |
| 20:02.50 | zooko | goes for a nap |
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| 20:09.51 | spectie | yay! socinfo |
| 20:10.04 | danderson | I've pruned useless factoids and updated the remaining |
| 20:10.09 | spectie | great |
| 20:10.11 | danderson | !faq |
| 20:10.11 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 20:10.24 | spectie | can we get rid of ibot then? ;) |
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| 20:12.02 | danderson | my personal opinion is to ban the damn thing, but if it shuts up and keeps logging, it's welcome to stay :) |
| 20:12.06 | spectie | :D |
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| 20:14.35 | sid0 | wb socinfo |
| 20:14.41 | sid0 | socinfo: botsnack |
| 20:14.42 | socinfo | Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command. |
| 20:14.53 | danderson | ah, yeah, I got rid of that one :P |
| 20:15.01 | danderson | no fun. |
| 20:15.06 | sid0 | :( |
| 20:15.23 | danderson | sid0: '!learn botsnack as ...' should work. |
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| 20:15.46 | sid0 | but yeah socinfo is a lot less intrusive than ibot |
| 20:16.26 | r0bby | !learn botsnack as *wags tail* |
| 20:16.26 | socinfo | Error: access denied (factoids). |
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| 20:18.36 | homunq | zooko: OLPC has lots of XOs right now, it is a good time |
| 20:19.02 | homunq | disclaimer non-affiliated |
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| 20:29.18 | kendrick | runs around, screaming |
| 20:29.35 | spectie | now then now then |
| 20:29.54 | DanParker | is there any specific skill level required for GSOC (i know it'll vary on the project, but in general) |
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| 20:30.06 | spectie | if you can program in a language |
| 20:30.07 | spectie | it really helps |
| 20:30.18 | spectie | but other than that there is stuff from beginner to advanced |
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| 20:31.33 | DanParker | ok |
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| 20:33.09 | danderson | !advice |
| 20:33.10 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 20:33.55 | Ivanovic | zooko: yes, wesnoth eats ram alive |
| 20:34.37 | sfb | haha |
| 20:34.40 | danderson | r0bby: interesting. Thought I'd authorized that :) |
| 20:36.00 | zooko | I'd like to figure out how to make Wesnoth (and all other open source software) use less RAM. |
| 20:36.04 | danderson | romullo: try it now? |
| 20:36.12 | zooko | Maybe it could even be a performance win, too... |
| 20:36.24 | danderson | "and all other open source software" ? |
| 20:36.51 | danderson | are you proposing a general solution to RAM eating (fast storage in hyperspace?), or something specific to wesnoth? |
| 20:37.10 | danderson | (something specific to wesnoth sounds more realistic than reinventing memory allocation for SoC) |
| 20:37.27 | Kraln | pokes lh about earlier question re: reverse engineering |
| 20:37.34 | zooko | I'm thinking of inventing a general purpose data structure which is memory-efficient, for starters. |
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| 20:37.40 | Catfish_Man | danderson: a reluctant malloc() implementation. You ask it for memory and it goes "so, what was wrong with the last page I gave you? I don't think you really need this" |
| 20:37.44 | zooko | Or maybe using Judy Trees, which already exist. |
| 20:37.47 | spectie | lol Catfish_Man |
| 20:37.52 | zooko | Catf: :-) |
| 20:37.53 | r0bby | !learn botsnack as rut roh raggy |
| 20:37.53 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:37.59 | r0bby | !botsnack |
| 20:37.59 | socinfo | "botsnack" is rut roh raggy |
| 20:38.02 | r0bby | :) |
| 20:38.20 | Catfish_Man | judy trees are kinda overrated, last I checked |
| 20:38.41 | danderson | zooko: general purpose data structures usually aren't general purpose, but optimal for some specific kind of use |
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| 20:38.58 | danderson | as for memory allocation performance, tcmalloc already pretty much offers rather blazing performance |
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| 20:41.09 | Kraln | lh: hey, I had asked a legal question before. are you around now? |
| 20:41.33 | Kraln | [15:56:36] <Kraln> lh: some of our project ideas involve some hardware reverse engineering. They're completely legal in the united states, but I just want to be sure that it isn't a point of contention. Think it'll be okay? |
| 20:42.34 | zooko | Catf: no! Judy trees are great. A few years ago x86 had 32-byte cache lines, which made Judy Trees about as fast as other general (?) purpose data structures. |
| 20:42.45 | zooko | But now we have 64-byte cache lines, and they are at least as fast and more memory-efficient. |
| 20:42.55 | Catfish_Man | zooko: yeah, rereading I misremembered. The comparison I was looking at was performance |
| 20:43.04 | Catfish_Man | which as you say is "about as good". Memory usage is quite nice |
| 20:43.07 | lh | Kraln: specify that they are legal and document why they are legal and should be fine |
| 20:43.25 | zooko | http://www.mail-archive.com/judy-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00039.html |
| 20:43.28 | Kraln | okay. do I need to have that documentation in place by tonight? |
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| 20:43.52 | lh | Kraln: by monday. add it to your ideas list. |
| 20:44.02 | Kraln | understood cap'n! |
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| 20:50.34 | homunq | so, there is no way to give list of mentors in your app? And so no way for Google to see which project has many good mentors lined up and which doesn't? |
| 20:50.53 | spectie | we just pasted them into ours |
| 20:51.03 | spectie | i thought it was a requirement |
| 20:51.08 | spectie | ;) |
| 20:51.25 | homunq | hmm... opinions, lh? |
| 20:51.36 | spectie | Who will your mentors be? Please include Google Account information. |
| 20:51.38 | spectie | What criteria did you use to select these individuals as mentors? Please be as specific as possible. |
| 20:52.08 | homunq | spectie: that is from the FAQ, but then the first of those questions is not on the app. |
| 20:52.14 | lil_Toady | ~timeline |
| 20:52.15 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 timeline is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 20:52.29 | danderson | ~forget timeline |
| 20:52.29 | ibot | danderson: i forgot timeline |
| 20:52.32 | danderson | ~forget faq |
| 20:52.32 | ibot | danderson: i forgot faq |
| 20:52.34 | spectie | actually you're right |
| 20:52.35 | danderson | !timeline |
| 20:52.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#timeline |
| 20:52.37 | danderson | !faq |
| 20:52.37 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 20:52.40 | spectie | homunq, we put in the mentors in the criteria |
| 20:52.47 | danderson | !learn timeline as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 20:52.47 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:52.51 | spectie | e.g. we gave specific reasons for each one |
| 20:52.54 | spectie | by name |
| 20:53.44 | lh | homunq: paste in their info in the members section of the app, they have to be added later systematically |
| 20:53.52 | lh | spectie: i can update the faq later |
| 20:54.03 | spectie | lh, is it necessary to put in their email details in there? |
| 20:54.05 | spectie | or will names suffice ? |
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| 20:54.07 | Lennie | guess we'll add that question for next year lh? |
| 20:54.20 | DanParker | are there many mentors online? |
| 20:54.24 | homunq | OK, so we should be listing them, not just a catch-all statement about process. |
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| 20:54.28 | homunq | will change. |
| 20:54.44 | lh | spectie: names are fine |
| 20:54.50 | spectie | ok |
| 20:55.01 | lh | Lennie: no need, that was a relic from the old web app and also a function that never worked correctly |
| 20:55.09 | Lennie | k |
| 20:55.28 | lil_Toady | hey, can somebody tell me what's the point for google to invest into summer of code? |
| 20:55.38 | lil_Toady | it's not like google has many open source projects either |
| 20:55.54 | danderson | lil_Toady: that would be factually incorrect |
| 20:55.57 | spectie | lil_Toady, good publicity, they get good code back |
| 20:55.58 | Catfish_Man | google does have many open source projects |
| 20:56.01 | spectie | they have lots of open-source projects |
| 20:56.06 | danderson | http://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label%3aGoogle |
| 20:56.38 | danderson | various degrees of size and usefulness |
| 20:56.51 | danderson | ranging from Chromium and protocol buffers to plugins for google checkout |
| 20:57.08 | danderson | next, the point |
| 20:57.12 | danderson | 1) it's the right thing to do |
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| 20:57.44 | danderson | 2) google uses a lot of open source software. SoC is a way of stimulating that ecosystem and give back to it |
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| 20:57.58 | lil_Toady | it's sure a good thing, but it costs millions with a small feedback i would think |
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| 20:58.12 | spectie | lil_Toady, and they have millions to spend |
| 20:58.15 | lh | lil_Toady: define feedback? |
| 20:58.42 | danderson | lil_Toady: from a purely pragmatic perspective, it's a pretty cheap good karma campaign. |
| 20:58.44 | lil_Toady | i mean they dont get much in return lh |
| 20:58.54 | spectie | lil_Toady, how do you quantify 'in return' ? |
| 20:59.03 | spectie | lil_Toady, how do you quantify good publicity? |
| 20:59.13 | danderson | and the returns are long term more than short term |
| 20:59.14 | locutus3 | Hi @lh, have Java Pathfinder organization applied already ? |
| 20:59.19 | lil_Toady | pretty cheap? with some random maths like 2500 participants last year, 4500*2500 is 11 million |
| 20:59.29 | spectie | lil_Toady, did you see how much google is worth ? |
| 20:59.39 | Arun__ | can anybody help |
| 20:59.43 | danderson | lil_Toady: and the good PR we get from it could not be bought with a similarly priced ad campaign |
| 20:59.49 | lil_Toady | yeh, but that's not a reason to throw money away spectie :p |
| 20:59.50 | Arun__ | iam new 2 gsoc |
| 20:59.54 | spectie | and how much they save by using open-source software |
| 20:59.58 | spectie | lil_Toady, it isn't throwing away money |
| 20:59.59 | spectie | that's the point |
| 21:00.01 | Arun__ | i wanna participate |
| 21:00.02 | lil_Toady | i sure love the open source idea and i would think it's the future |
| 21:00.09 | danderson | long term: builds Google's reputation as a good open source player, build excitement around open source (which encourages innovation and openness, which Google benefits from) |
| 21:00.14 | lil_Toady | but well, i dont see much profit from that |
| 21:00.15 | Arun__ | can anyone suggest a mentor |
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| 21:00.28 | Catfish_Man | arun: right now organizations are still applying |
| 21:00.35 | danderson | lil_Toady: look at it from an economic perspective |
| 21:00.35 | Gamara | lil_Toady there were only 1100 participants last year, so it was more like 5.5 million. |
| 21:00.40 | Catfish_Man | in a little while the list of orgs will be published and you can look it over |
| 21:00.45 | spectie | danderson, how much would google be paying without OSS |
| 21:00.45 | Catfish_Man | and pick one or more to apply for :) |
| 21:00.46 | spectie | in licences |
| 21:00.46 | lil_Toady | it's a pity you can't be a student while being a mentor for another project though |
| 21:00.52 | Arun__ | mr catfish did u have any previous experience in gsoc |
| 21:00.53 | danderson | if you don't want to believe that Google would do it because it's right |
| 21:01.11 | Arun__ | did u do any project last year |
| 21:01.12 | danderson | it makes decent economic sense, as well as being the Right thing to do, given how much open source software we use and depend on |
| 21:01.28 | danderson | you encourage the ecosystems you depend on to grow |
| 21:01.32 | Catfish_Man | arun: I have been a mentor/admin for three yeras |
| 21:01.33 | Gamara | danderson Most didn't believe it first year, honestly. They looked for angles like lil_Toady . |
| 21:01.34 | Catfish_Man | *years |
| 21:02.03 | danderson | Gamara: there's always people looking for an angle. I don't blame them, people have a hard time believing companies can have souls :) |
| 21:02.18 | Gamara | Now its the 5th years, so lil_Toady's comments seem weird, but they were the norm bck then. It's natural for people to be suspicious of a program like SoC |
| 21:02.20 | spectie | or non-obvious motivations ;) |
| 21:02.35 | lil_Toady | and what info would i need to provide to apply as a student? |
| 21:02.40 | lil_Toady | how will they check my uni |
| 21:02.48 | spectie | !faq |
| 21:02.49 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 21:02.54 | spectie | it's all in the faq |
| 21:02.56 | danderson | you will need to provide proof of enrollment, basically. |
| 21:03.09 | danderson | that would usually be some kind of certificate issued by the university |
| 21:03.16 | danderson | attesting that you are indeed enrolled, etc. etc. |
| 21:03.30 | locutus3 | Hi @lh, have Java Pathfinder organization applied already ? |
| 21:03.33 | lil_Toady | a scan of my uni contract for example? |
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| 21:03.46 | spectie | locutus3, have you considered asking them? |
| 21:03.46 | danderson | does it have a uni Stamp of Approval on it? |
| 21:03.50 | danderson | if so, that sounds about right. |
| 21:03.52 | spectie | locutus3, this is the 4th time you've asked |
| 21:03.55 | spectie | that i can remember |
| 21:04.01 | Arun__ | mr catfish,coding knowledge of LAMP is sufficient or should i know ruby to participate |
| 21:04.19 | spectie | and it might get a bit tedious keep hearing the same question |
| 21:04.21 | lil_Toady | and how about my student ticket? would that do? |
| 21:04.23 | danderson | lil_Toady: you'll also have to provide basic information, of course - name, address (to send checks and goodies) |
| 21:04.27 | lil_Toady | it has the stamp |
| 21:04.40 | danderson | but that remains private unless you elect to open it, I believe - see the ToS and privacy policy docs |
| 21:07.56 | lil_Toady | has there been any practice with game projects applying? |
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| 21:08.18 | spectie | yes |
| 21:08.21 | spectie | for example wesnoth |
| 21:08.33 | spectie | quite a number of projects last year were open-source games |
| 21:08.33 | llnz | lil_Toady: there were several game projects accepted last year |
| 21:08.38 | thomas_adam | desperately cobbles together a GSOC proposal. |
| 21:08.49 | summatusmentis | thomas_adam: what org? |
| 21:08.50 | lil_Toady | and how does google treat reverse engineering? |
| 21:08.57 | thomas_adam | fvwm.org |
| 21:08.59 | spectie | lil_Toady, depends if it is legal or not |
| 21:09.18 | summatusmentis | which really depends on what country you're in? |
| 21:09.24 | spectie | it depends on US law |
| 21:09.27 | spectie | Google is a US company |
| 21:09.44 | summatusmentis | oh, payment, right |
| 21:09.44 | danderson | lil_Toady: google cannot fund illegal activities. Since reverse engineering is (I believe, ianal) illegal in the US, where google operates, that would be a no. |
| 21:10.03 | Catfish_Man | cleanroom reverse engineering is definitely protected under US law last I checked |
| 21:10.06 | Gamara | danderson on a call, but that is not correct. |
| 21:10.09 | Catfish_Man | if not the libpurple team may be in trouble |
| 21:10.12 | danderson | do not consider this an authoritative answer, I don't know the authoritative answer |
| 21:10.21 | danderson | Gamara knows, and once he's off the phone he will correct me :-) |
| 21:10.56 | summatusmentis | not all reverse engineering is illegal in the US, right? |
| 21:10.57 | danderson | Catfish_Man: cleanroom afaik is a loophole more than anything else |
| 21:11.17 | lil_Toady | well, practically the project is not illegal and is know about by the developers of the reverse engineered product, but it looks illegal from the first glance |
| 21:11.22 | danderson | but, Gamara is da boss, and appears to know the official answer, so let's just wait :) |
| 21:11.32 | danderson | lil_Toady: what is the project? A practical example to discussi is easier. |
| 21:11.57 | thomas_adam | Am I right in reading the deadline for proposals is midnight GMT this Friday (13th March)? |
| 21:12.05 | summatusmentis | yes, tomorrow |
| 21:12.12 | danderson | thomas_adam: for org proposals, yes |
| 21:12.25 | lil_Toady | well, it's a pretty advanced mod that adds synchronization to a 3rd party game |
| 21:12.25 | thomas_adam | Cool, thanks. Just wanted to be sure. |
| 21:12.45 | danderson | lil_Toady: names, links |
| 21:12.47 | danderson | :) |
| 21:12.59 | lil_Toady | http://multitheftauto.com/ |
| 21:13.38 | kizzo | Would google support the creation of a Super Smash Bros.-like game/(game engine), especially if the student is quite familiar with the mechanics of the game and is good at programming? |
| 21:13.51 | kizzo | Or, in other words, is a good candidate for such a task. |
| 21:13.58 | spectie | kizzo, do you have a mentor lined up? |
| 21:14.09 | spectie | the question is covered in the faq |
| 21:14.09 | danderson | kizzo: if you have a mentoring org ready to help with that, yes. |
| 21:14.09 | kizzo | [ I know I asked before - I just want more opinions ] |
| 21:14.10 | pygi | kizzo, and/or organization? |
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| 21:14.14 | spectie | !faq |
| 21:14.14 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 21:14.16 | pygi | KillerX, hi ho! |
| 21:14.16 | danderson | But SoC will not fund creation of projects |
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| 21:14.51 | danderson | I mean, if you find an established community that is relevant to the project and is willing to mentor you into it, then go for it |
| 21:14.55 | lil_Toady | multi theft auto has been approved by grand theft auto developers themselves and we were in contact with them for some time |
| 21:14.56 | kizzo | danderson: Are you talking to me when you say "not fund creation of projects"? |
| 21:15.02 | lil_Toady | but im not sure how google would look at it |
| 21:15.03 | danderson | kizzo: yes |
| 21:15.13 | lil_Toady | are you some google official danderson? |
| 21:15.19 | kizzo | danderson: Alrighty. |
| 21:15.32 | Catfish_Man | lil_Toady: almost everyone with ops works for google |
| 21:15.35 | Catfish_Man | (I'm one of the few exceptions) |
| 21:15.40 | danderson | lil_Toady: I honestly don't know. As you say, at a first glance, it looks rather illegal. I'll defer to Gamara and other knowledgeable folks to figure this out |
| 21:15.52 | danderson | Catfish_Man: yeah, you're one of the exceptions: you're not op :P |
| 21:16.04 | atsmyles_ | Hi, I have a question about licenses. Our group (LispNYC) supports many different projects with different OSS licenses, but the form only allows one. What should we do? How can we explain this? |
| 21:16.06 | Catfish_Man | huh |
| 21:16.07 | Catfish_Man | I should fix that |
| 21:16.11 | kizzo | There is currently no organization for this idea, as it's just my own personal idea. |
| 21:16.11 | danderson | lil_Toady: I'm a Google employee, and know bits about SoC, but I'm not authoritative |
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| 21:16.17 | danderson | authoritative people are lh and Gamara |
| 21:16.19 | kizzo | I was thinking about asking pygame about it. |
| 21:16.20 | Catfish_Man | there we go |
| 21:16.29 | pygi | Catfish_Man, gimme one too :P |
| 21:16.32 | Lennie | the catfish has power, run :) |
| 21:16.40 | freebsdgirl | stalks lh. |
| 21:16.44 | danderson | atsmyles_: do you have one license that is most used/stands out from the bunch? |
| 21:16.46 | Lennie | actually I'm one of the exceptions |
| 21:16.50 | Lennie | I do not work foor G :) |
| 21:16.52 | Lennie | *for |
| 21:16.57 | lil_Toady | we got some bits of the actual game sources from it's developers for our project |
| 21:17.05 | danderson | Lennie: but you work for Melange, which makes you equally awesome |
| 21:17.41 | Lennie | maybe, I'm just human :) |
| 21:17.42 | atsmyles_ | Well there is the Lisp LGPL which is a slightly modified LGPL license. Some ideas have BSD also |
| 21:17.53 | welterde | danderson: guess it's ok to pick one, when the components are multi-licensed, no? |
| 21:17.55 | danderson | lil_Toady: that in itself doesn't necessarily mean their bosses were cool about it |
| 21:18.11 | lh | waves to freebsdgirl |
| 21:18.17 | lh | sorry was wandering about |
| 21:18.30 | freebsdgirl | hi :) |
| 21:18.38 | danderson | atsmyles_: my take is: just pick one and use that; if your ideas list mentions specific licenses, I don't see a problem myself |
| 21:18.41 | lh | atsmyles_: pick the one you use the most, note the other in a text field somwhere we dont care where |
| 21:19.25 | atsmyles_ | danderson and lh, are you offical spokesman for gsoc? |
| 21:19.42 | lh | atsmyles_: i am. danderson is if he wants to be. he certainly knows enough about this program. :) |
| 21:19.56 | atsmyles_ | ok, thanks |
| 21:20.10 | danderson | I am official spokesman except when I'm not |
| 21:20.18 | lh | lol |
| 21:20.22 | danderson | ie. I will defer to lh when I have no clue :P |
| 21:20.23 | lh | ^5s danderson |
| 21:20.31 | danderson | returns ^5 |
| 21:22.58 | danderson | oh my |
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| 21:23.04 | danderson | PHP 5.3 to introduce lambda and closures |
| 21:23.32 | danderson | I'm both excited for php and afraid of what the less experienced php devs will turn this into |
| 21:23.36 | Catfish_Man | danderson: heh, what's left that doesn't have them? |
| 21:23.43 | Catfish_Man | even Java, C++, and C are getting them |
| 21:25.51 | danderson | pardon my frankness, but php is still fighting to get namespaces and comparisons right |
| 21:25.59 | danderson | I wasn't expecting closures :) |
| 21:26.22 | impl | oh, PHP got namespaces |
| 21:26.36 | impl | it just got them wrong and i don't think they have any intention on changing that wrongness |
| 21:26.38 | impl | :D |
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| 21:33.08 | welterde | hmmm... is it itentional that the application looks kind of... mangled in the public view? |
| 21:33.30 | lh | welterde: define mangled |
| 21:33.49 | Kraln | whomever was giving me crap about development hardware, I managed to secure free dev devices for students if we get accepted |
| 21:33.57 | welterde | all formatting removed |
| 21:34.07 | danderson | Kraln: what kind of devices? |
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| 21:34.38 | smtms | Kraln, what project/what devices? |
| 21:34.39 | welterde | or is html/some other markup language allowed in the entry fields? |
| 21:34.54 | Kraln | depends on the project, but things like nintendo ds passthroughs for ds homebrew development |
| 21:34.58 | Kraln | smtms: devkitpro |
| 21:35.14 | lh | welterde: you can make sure your organization home page is formatted exacty as you like it if you are accepted. in the meantime, why not open an issue on the formatting in the public view of the app? |
| 21:35.21 | lh | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues |
| 21:36.06 | welterde | will do |
| 21:36.11 | danderson | Kraln: congrats, you've made me want to reenroll in a university somewhere so that I can apply :P |
| 21:36.24 | lh | welterde: groovy |
| 21:36.25 | danderson | (except I'm ineligible for being a google employee, so bleh) |
| 21:36.36 | welterde | lh: but you(ie. the review team) will see it exactly how it was entered, right? |
| 21:36.36 | Kraln | you can't apply unless we get accepted, but we'll take whatever help we can get within or without gsoc =0 |
| 21:37.02 | impl | Kraln: not doing dsyslog this year huh? |
| 21:37.13 | impl | ;> |
| 21:37.27 | Kraln | impl: mentoring for another project. I'm kind of pissed at atheme considering that they lost about half the work I did for them |
| 21:37.40 | sid0 | how do you lose work? |
| 21:37.46 | impl | Kraln: Well they did get pwned pretty badly |
| 21:37.52 | impl | but I thought hg. was untouched |
| 21:37.56 | Kraln | I set up a wiki and spent a good amount of time on it. Then the server died and they had no backups |
| 21:38.04 | impl | oh, right |
| 21:38.10 | sid0 | Kraln: oh. what about code? |
| 21:38.16 | impl | The code should all be fine |
| 21:38.16 | Kraln | that I all had copies of |
| 21:38.22 | Kraln | I didn't think to back up a wiki :| |
| 21:38.50 | mdc__ | waves to lh :) |
| 21:38.52 | Kraln | or rather, I assumed they backed up their stuff |
| 21:39.06 | impl | I assume they do now :P |
| 21:39.14 | lh | mdc__: how goes my friend? |
| 21:39.16 | Kraln | danderson: if you're interested in any of our projects, I can probably get you some dev hardware. |
| 21:39.39 | danderson | Kraln: I'm no longer a student, and on top of that I'm a google employee, so twice ineligible |
| 21:39.46 | mdc__ | lh: Things go well. I'm excited for it to be GSoC season again. How are things with you? :) |
| 21:39.53 | impl | danderson: I think he means outside of GSoC |
| 21:39.54 | danderson | and my free time is unfortunately too non-existent to matter :( |
| 21:39.57 | lh | mdc__: very well thank you |
| 21:40.00 | Kraln | danderson: for gsoc, but they give you something like 20% time to work on your own stuff, right? oh =p |
| 21:40.13 | danderson | Kraln: I already have a 20% project |
| 21:40.22 | Kraln | aww :-( |
| 21:40.27 | danderson | but since my 80% is more like 120% atm, combined with an extra 20%ish on SoC |
| 21:40.34 | danderson | my actual 20% comes to -40% |
| 21:40.44 | danderson | I'd have to be Doctor Who to get anything done on it |
| 21:40.45 | thomas_adam | I thought Google had stopped a lot of the 20% rule stuff recently? |
| 21:40.54 | danderson | thomas_adam: definitely not. |
| 21:41.06 | Kraln | thomas_adam: a lot of people who are venting about losing their google perks are not and never were engineers. |
| 21:41.08 | mdc__ | lh: I'm glad to hear that :) I look forward to another fun and productive summer. Please let me know if I can be of help. |
| 21:41.09 | danderson | I am in fact going to get shouted at for not taking my 20% time :P |
| 21:41.50 | thomas_adam | I could have sworn I'd read somewhere that some project worked on in this 20% rule came to nothing, and that many had been told they could no longer work on them. If I can find the original article, I'll let you know. |
| 21:41.51 | danderson | (seriously, my manager is big on work/life balance and work/fun balance |
| 21:41.55 | lh | mdc__: will do my friend. |
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| 21:42.00 | lh | danderson: that's good! |
| 21:42.08 | danderson | thomas_adam: what probably happened: |
| 21:42.23 | danderson | person starts working on 20% pet project, hoping it will become big and possibly end up being his 80% project |
| 21:42.33 | lh | this happens all the time actually |
| 21:42.44 | danderson | 20% project gets something started, but fails to convince others of usefulness as a major project |
| 21:42.52 | thomas_adam | I suppose so. |
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| 21:43.07 | danderson | cost cutting due to economy means that request to assign full-time engineers or get machine resources is denied |
| 21:43.14 | danderson | engineer gives up and goes trolling on twitter. |
| 21:43.23 | thomas_adam | Ha. Twitter. |
| 21:43.32 | spectie | lol |
| 21:43.39 | spectie | that's a rubbish name btw |
| 21:43.44 | spectie | at least in the UK |
| 21:43.46 | danderson | (actually, due to economy or plain common sense, nothing special about these times when it comes to deciding if a project is worth pursuing) |
| 21:43.47 | lh | it was going to be called friend stalker |
| 21:43.54 | lh | which i think is more appropos |
| 21:43.58 | spectie | haha aye |
| 21:44.05 | spectie | does 'twit' have any meaning in the US ? |
| 21:44.08 | Kraln | lh: I think it should be called "Poop is coming out" |
| 21:44.13 | spectie | or the rest of the anglophonia |
| 21:44.14 | Kraln | spectie: it means idiot |
| 21:44.15 | Catfish_Man | spectie: same as in england |
| 21:44.19 | spectie | oh |
| 21:44.23 | spectie | so yeah, bad choice for a name |
| 21:44.24 | Catfish_Man | but twitter also has a meaning |
| 21:44.27 | spectie | yeah |
| 21:44.29 | spectie | like a bir |
| 21:44.29 | lh | Kraln: that also seems reasonable |
| 21:44.29 | spectie | d |
| 21:44.38 | Catfish_Man | I think it's a great choice, personally |
| 21:44.43 | Catfish_Man | memorable, easy to say |
| 21:44.45 | danderson | lh: you have the penny arcade context to get Kraln's pun, right? |
| 21:44.48 | spectie | they should have made it 'prattle' |
| 21:44.49 | spectie | ;) |
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| 21:44.55 | lh | danderson: i dont. linkage? |
| 21:45.00 | Kraln | oh no. |
| 21:45.03 | lh | spectie: ooo good idea! |
| 21:45.07 | Catfish_Man | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/23/ |
| 21:45.15 | spectie | hah, it hadn't occurred until just now, 'twitter'/'twit' , 'prattle'/'pratt' |
| 21:45.22 | Kraln | lh: goog "poop is coming out" -- there's a forum where they shoop it into a ton of comics, and it's great. |
| 21:45.25 | thomas_adam | Slow? |
| 21:45.33 | Catfish_Man | Kraln: it's from my link originally |
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| 21:45.40 | danderson | lh: see linky above |
| 21:45.45 | Kraln | Catfish_Man: hmm? |
| 21:45.47 | Kraln | I know |
| 21:46.25 | Actown | Hey all |
| 21:46.32 | lh | thanks danderson looking |
| 21:46.33 | Catfish_Man | personally I think http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/9/ is their best in recent weeks |
| 21:46.36 | Catfish_Man | hi Actown |
| 21:46.45 | lh | oh dear lord, i love it. |
| 21:46.47 | welterde | lh: oki |
| 21:46.48 | danderson | Catfish_Man: I agree. |
| 21:46.56 | Actown | Whats up Catfish_Man? |
| 21:47.16 | Catfish_Man | Actown: not much. Stopping myself from programming for a while in an attempt to rest my hands a bit |
| 21:47.18 | Catfish_Man | you? |
| 21:47.47 | Actown | Just lurking around really lol |
| 21:47.53 | Actown | waiting for my food to cook |
| 21:47.57 | Actown | im hungry |
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| 21:50.22 | welterde | lh: got time now? |
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| 21:51.31 | lh | welterde: no. |
| 21:51.37 | lh | when i have time i will let you know. |
| 21:52.22 | welterde | ok.. just have a look then and tell me what you think |
| 21:52.31 | welterde | heads for bed now.. |
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| 22:01.01 | Sledge | hmmm |
| 22:01.15 | ArthurLiu | hmmm |
| 22:01.15 | Sledge | known problems with melange atm? |
| 22:01.37 | Sledge | http://socghop.appspot.com/user/edit_profile is giving me error 500 |
| 22:01.49 | Sledge | the Debian application I saved this morning seems to be missing too |
| 22:03.42 | ArthurLiu | lh, ^ ? |
| 22:04.13 | lh | Sledge: no KI atm |
| 22:04.19 | lh | please report in #melange |
| 22:04.27 | lh | ArthurLiu, Sledge: checking |
| 22:04.39 | Sledge | ok |
| 22:05.09 | ArthurLiu | ok thanks, we wouldn't want to miss the summer of code, it would be.. annoying |
| 22:05.40 | spectie | Sledge, did you log out accidentally? |
| 22:05.46 | spectie | that happened to me earlier this week |
| 22:05.58 | lh | i am getting an exception when i look at your app in the database |
| 22:05.58 | Sledge | not that I'm aware of, no |
| 22:06.03 | Sledge | \o/ |
| 22:06.45 | ArthurLiu | somehow, somewhere, a lonely exception is looking for a catcher |
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| 22:08.13 | DanParker | can anyone recommend a fun c/c++ group who's list of projects i could look at? |
| 22:08.30 | thomas_adam | Can you be less specific? |
| 22:08.45 | lh | ArthurLiu: the application is in there |
| 22:08.57 | lh | DanParker: are you a student looking for ideas or .... ? |
| 22:09.05 | DanParker | student |
| 22:09.24 | DanParker | i've looked around at some ideas but so far no sucess finding something suitable |
| 22:09.42 | ArthurLiu | DanParker, what do you mean not "suitable" ? |
| 22:09.45 | thomas_adam | What are you interests? |
| 22:10.06 | ArthurLiu | DanParker, remember that you can also propose you own idea |
| 22:10.08 | brlcad | there is a page the organizes the previous year's orgs by language if that's what's making some of them unsuitable, might want to start there |
| 22:10.24 | thomas_adam | The fact that you're even asking a language-specific question is odd; I'd have hoped a wider interest, irrespective of the language, would be sufficient for anyone. |
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| 22:10.56 | smtms | thomas_adam, you are odd |
| 22:11.03 | thomas_adam | Thank you. :) |
| 22:12.12 | DanParker | well, what i mean is, i've looked at some ideas and talked to the developers about it but they don't seem to like their own ideas, so i've asked what they would prefer someone do and most of their 'better' ideas involve areas i don't have much experience with (audio/video) |
| 22:12.12 | brlcad | thomas_adam: and some people already know many languages and choose to prefer working with given languages ;) |
| 22:12.25 | thomas_adam | There is that, I suppose. :) |
| 22:12.46 | ArthurLiu | is it normal that I have nothing in "List my Organization Applications" as a backup admin ? |
| 22:12.56 | lh | ArthurLiu: yes |
| 22:13.05 | ArthurLiu | ok then |
| 22:13.06 | brlcad | DanParker: sounds like isolated example, talk with more orgs or devs |
| 22:13.07 | DanParker | and regarding languages, i don't really have a preference but i'm most comfortable in C/C++ or Java |
| 22:13.16 | lh | you did not submit it. list org apps only shows what you submitted. there is an issue on file to change that. |
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| 22:13.38 | brlcad | what is uninteresting to one dev may be perfectly interesting to another dev/mentor with that project, which can affect whom they consider favorably |
| 22:14.57 | brlcad | different orgs rank according to different criteria |
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| 22:17.12 | DanParker | can you give me the url for the list of last years orgs please ? :) i keep losing it |
| 22:17.40 | lh | ~wiki |
| 22:17.47 | lh | !wiki |
| 22:17.47 | socinfo | Error: "wiki" is not a valid command. |
| 22:17.51 | lh | meh. |
| 22:18.04 | lh | DanParker: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code |
| 22:18.05 | lh | try that |
| 22:18.10 | lh | wiki --> advice for students |
| 22:19.02 | DanParker | found it, thanks :) |
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| 22:20.34 | manus_eiffel | Can a mentor organization make students pass some kind of exam to see if they are up for the selected project they may choose? |
| 22:21.05 | lh | manus_eiffel: we allow interviewing yes. exam sounds kinda overkill |
| 22:21.20 | bobbens | some projects do that |
| 22:21.22 | manus_eiffel | let's say it is a mini-exam/questionnaire |
| 22:21.34 | manus_eiffel | just to know they know the basics? |
| 22:21.46 | lh | manus_eiffel: that sounds fine. |
| 22:21.55 | manus_eiffel | great, thanks |
| 22:22.37 | manus_eiffel | I'm about to submit our application http://dev.eiffel.com/soc_2009_application with the project ideas at http://dev.eiffel.com/soc_2009 |
| 22:23.02 | manus_eiffel | sorry bad url http://dev.eiffel.com/Soc_2009_Application |
| 22:24.12 | ArthurLiu | manus_eiffel, we're considering some relaxed phone interviews to chat a bit with the student |
| 22:24.36 | manus_eiffel | arthurliu: that's what we had in mind too |
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| 22:25.51 | KillerX | phone interviews are great, because they give the student a firm idea that they are dealing with real people |
| 22:26.16 | KillerX | I think that once that personal touch is given, students are less likely to drop out / fail |
| 22:26.21 | manus_eiffel | same for the mentor making sure students are real :-) |
| 22:26.36 | KillerX | indeed :) |
| 22:26.56 | lh | personal touch is definitely important. |
| 22:26.56 | KillerX | we'll definitely be doing phone chats with our shortlisted students (assuming our org is selected, of course) |
| 22:27.08 | lh | i recommend sending a project tshirt to all your accepted students if you can afford it. |
| 22:27.21 | manus_eiffel | lh: That's a great idea |
| 22:27.27 | KillerX | hooray for t-shirts :) |
| 22:27.32 | manus_eiffel | Tshirts are cheap |
| 22:27.34 | Actown | free stuff woot |
| 22:27.48 | lh | manus_eiffel: it is a good idea, i must say. |
| 22:28.22 | dberkholz | KillerX: are you doing plan9 this year? |
| 22:29.01 | KillerX | dberkholz: Nope, applying for Glendix (a merge of plan 9 with linux) as a separate org this year |
| 22:29.37 | KillerX | If we don't get through, then we'll be looking to umbrella organisations (maybe plan9 or the linux foundation or one of the distros) |
| 22:29.54 | lh | waves to KillerX, wanders out in search of coffee |
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| 22:30.04 | dberkholz | KillerX: ah, cool |
| 22:30.16 | KillerX | lh: :) Coffee FTW |
| 22:30.20 | dberkholz | KillerX: feel free to do Gendix. or whatever Gentoo's version would be. =P |
| 22:30.31 | danderson | lh: oh, btw, I may be spending a couple weeks in mountain view in late april/early may |
| 22:30.42 | KillerX | dberkholz: Yep, we haven't still decided what distro Glendix would finally seed from ;) |
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| 22:31.04 | KillerX | Gentoo is definitely top on the list, I'm trying to influence as much as I can |
| 22:31.13 | dberkholz | KillerX: i'd guess the easier choices would be ones that already run on multiple OSs. and there aren't many of those |
| 22:31.34 | dberkholz | otherwise you'll have to deal with a lot of OS assumptions that have already been fixed in those guys |
| 22:31.40 | Sledge | bahs Gentoo |
| 22:31.41 | Sledge | :-) |
| 22:31.48 | Sledge | hey dberkholz |
| 22:31.54 | KillerX | True |
| 22:32.01 | dberkholz | oh, hey there Sledge ! forgot your nick.. |
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| 22:32.29 | dberkholz | Sledge: i will get that signed key back to you at some point. it would probably be faster if you're ok w/ me directly uploading it |
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| 22:32.49 | KillerX | dberkholz: Only thing keeping us away from choosing Gentoo immediately is lack of docs for catalyst and dependence on python for the package manager... |
| 22:32.53 | Sledge | go for it |
| 22:33.04 | dberkholz | Sledge: btw, good luck on your leader vote.. |
| 22:33.42 | Sledge | dberkholz: cheers |
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| 22:35.10 | _raz_ | can someone give me a hint about the linkid/public name entries for applying as organisation? |
| 22:35.16 | _raz_ | what are those supposed to mean? |
| 22:35.30 | KillerX | _raz_: LinkID appears in all URLs relating to your org |
| 22:35.48 | KillerX | so you'd want to choose a short, lowercase, no special characters version of your org. name |
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| 22:36.28 | KillerX | The Linux Foundation -> linux, The Gentoo Foundation -> gentoo, KDE -> kde, Plan 9 from Bell Labs -> plan9... and so forth |
| 22:36.31 | _raz_ | KillerX: so it is not directly related to title of the page ("create a new user profile for xxxyyy@gmail.com"), but to the org name |
| 22:37.03 | Sledge | _raz_: yes |
| 22:37.14 | Sledge | was bitten by exactly this today too... :-) |
| 22:37.22 | _raz_ | okay - that's a bit confusing :) |
| 22:37.26 | Sledge | just transferred the Debian app over to a new name |
| 22:37.47 | KillerX | :) |
| 22:38.08 | _raz_ | that should be changed for the gsoc 2010 |
| 22:39.15 | KillerX | feature request! (melange's tracker) |
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| 22:47.45 | impl | Hi guys, looking at the organization application, there's a question that reads: " |
| 22:47.47 | impl | If your group has not previously participated, have you applied in the past? If so, for what sort of participation?" |
| 22:47.49 | ojwb | ibot: no, wiki is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 22:47.50 | ibot | ojwb: okay |
| 22:47.59 | impl | What does "for what sort of participation" mean? |
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| 22:48.25 | ojwb | wondered about that question |
| 22:48.35 | ojwb | particularly who "you" was |
| 22:48.54 | impl | I think it's worded really strangely :> |
| 22:49.02 | impl | but I could be crazy |
| 22:49.04 | ojwb | assumed the "what sort" was ghop or gsoc, but not sure |
| 22:49.20 | impl | ah, that could be |
| 22:49.29 | ojwb | I could read you as "me" or "my group" |
| 22:49.41 | impl | Yeah, I immediately jumped to 'my group' also |
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| 22:49.47 | impl | but I see your point there |
| 22:50.06 | ojwb | if it's "me", then it could mean "have you been involved via another group" |
| 22:50.32 | ojwb | if "If so" means "If you have not participated" |
| 22:50.42 | impl | right |
| 22:50.55 | ojwb | ah, "If so" probably means "if you've applied" |
| 22:51.34 | ojwb | looking at it again, I think "you" if "your group" and "what sort" probably means gsoc or ghop |
| 22:51.39 | ojwb | s/if/is |
| 22:54.30 | _raz_ | what does "public email" exactly mean? Is something like the mailing list okay here or something different required? |
| 22:55.46 | llnz | _raz_: it can be a mailing list, or a public contact email address |
| 22:56.04 | llnz | just an address that people can send questions to, etc |
| 22:56.09 | _raz_ | okay |
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| 23:04.51 | _raz_ | who would be responsible for renaming a link_id? :) |
| 23:05.32 | Catfish_Man | that's apparently not something that can be done, if I remember right |
| 23:05.58 | KillerX | Well, we can't do it, but you can pester lh or someone else from the Melange team and they can arrange for something :) |
| 23:06.37 | _raz_ | okay, I'll do so then |
| 23:06.42 | jasebo | llnz: can it be a web forum? the "public email"? |
| 23:07.23 | jasebo | we dropped our public mailing list cause of spam problems |
| 23:07.56 | jasebo | oh.. and hi everyone :-) |
| 23:08.01 | smtms | jasebo, and web forums don't have spam problems? |
| 23:08.18 | jasebo | well, they don't annoy everyone on the list at the same time! |
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| 23:09.59 | ojwb | ~publicemail |
| 23:10.00 | ibot | it has been said that publicemail is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp (bullet 4) |
| 23:10.26 | ojwb | the userguide explains at least some of the confusing bits... |
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| 23:12.20 | jasebo | thanks ojwb and ibot :-) But this is in relation to the question "What is the main public mailing list for your group?" |
| 23:12.37 | jasebo | is that the same thing as "public email"? |
| 23:12.49 | ojwb | that's answered a few below I believe |
| 23:13.02 | ojwb | was actually belatedly responding to _raz_ |
| 23:13.17 | ojwb | and making people aware that ibot had a pointer |
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| 23:13.47 | jasebo | understands |
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| 23:14.10 | ojwb | and it can be a forum |
| 23:14.15 | jasebo | yay :-D |
| 23:14.32 | lh | yo sup? |
| 23:14.42 | SRabbelier | lh: sup dawg.... :P |
| 23:14.51 | lh | SRabbelier: not much homie |
| 23:14.59 | Ivanovic | hi lh |
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| 23:15.20 | lh | Ivanovic: greetings! |
| 23:15.24 | Ivanovic | lh: what was the amount of bribery needed to make sure to get in? |
| 23:15.25 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 23:15.35 | lh | Ivanovic: can't be done sorry. |
| 23:15.41 | Ivanovic | was it "a huge truckload of high quality chocolate"? |
| 23:15.54 | lh | Ivanovic: tempting, but no. |
| 23:16.08 | lh | wow up to 238 applicaitons |
| 23:16.23 | ojwb | what was it last year? |
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| 23:16.41 | Ivanovic | not bad so far |
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| 23:16.55 | straydawg | hello everyone, does the application being 'saved' mean 'submitted' :) ? |
| 23:16.57 | Ivanovic | (and i think from wesnoth we *should* be ready) |
| 23:17.00 | lh | ojwb: 500 something |
| 23:17.02 | Ivanovic | straydawg: jupp |
| 23:17.05 | straydawg | Ivanovic: thanks! |
| 23:17.11 | lh | straydawg: yes. to confirm click on list my organization applications. |
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| 23:17.14 | Ivanovic | that is: i at least hope it does |
| 23:17.16 | straydawg | lh: thank you! |
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| 23:17.22 | Ivanovic | if it would not, i would be busted... |
| 23:17.24 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 23:17.26 | ojwb | so either you get a last minute rush (likely) or there will be a few fewer |
| 23:17.30 | lh | waves to straydawg |
| 23:17.40 | Ivanovic | ojwb: there is a deadline |
| 23:17.41 | jasebo | will be part of the last minute rush |
| 23:17.49 | Ivanovic | that means: there *will* be a last minuite rush |
| 23:17.51 | lh | ojwb: likely a bit of both. we got a lot of applications from really off topic projects before |
| 23:17.57 | Ivanovic | that is a basic part of "deadline" |
| 23:18.10 | lh | like an open source disaster relief system for predicting earthquakes in lima, peru |
| 23:18.17 | ojwb | though I guess a lot of the already submitted ones are still being worked on |
| 23:18.21 | jasebo | what was the most off-topic project? |
| 23:18.23 | lh | um, that would fall into the "niche" category |
| 23:18.31 | lh | jasebo: that's all i can say about that |
| 23:18.32 | dberkholz | yeah, i've got a few more ideas for tweaks that i might do tomorrow AM |
| 23:18.35 | jasebo | lol |
| 23:18.47 | dberkholz | mainly just rephrasing the template |
| 23:19.20 | straydawg | lh: *wave* :) |
| 23:20.14 | Ivanovic | dberkholz: yeah, the template is the most problematic part on our side, too |
| 23:20.20 | jasebo | i have a question about the application template too |
| 23:20.26 | ojwb | lh: do you want the application template for students "inline" or is a link to one OK? |
| 23:20.36 | Ivanovic | that is: find a good wording for the direction of stuff we want to hear that is clear also to non native english speakers" |
| 23:20.50 | jasebo | does the application go through google? ie; will they host the template and forward them? |
| 23:20.54 | lh | ojwb: makes no difference to us |
| 23:20.59 | jasebo | or do we host the applications, and send them to google? |
| 23:21.02 | ojwb | lh: great |
| 23:21.18 | lh | jasebo: you would do review using the google summer of code site |
| 23:21.28 | dberkholz | i would really like to find a screenshot somewhere of exactly where the template fits into the other text on the page the student sees |
| 23:21.45 | dberkholz | so i can write things that make sense in that context |
| 23:21.47 | jasebo | ah.. we were wondering if we could receive student applications direct using our own website |
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| 23:22.08 | jasebo | lh: so I guess that answer to that is "no" |
| 23:22.12 | dberkholz | distributed melange, good project for next year. =P |
| 23:22.20 | kloeri | can I just space seperate mailing lists if my project have two equally main development MLs? |
| 23:22.26 | lh | dberkholz: given that it ain't built yet, you're gonna have to wait on that screenshot |
| 23:22.32 | lh | jasebo: no you cannot. |
| 23:22.45 | dberkholz | lh: c'est la vie. |
| 23:22.46 | lh | kloeri: yes |
| 23:22.50 | KillerX | kloeri: yep |
| 23:22.51 | kloeri | cool |
| 23:22.54 | jasebo | thx! Next year LimeSurvey would happily help you receive applications :-D |
| 23:23.03 | kloeri | lh: thanks for a great time at FOSDEM btw :) |
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| 23:23.10 | lh | dberkholz: mais oui. but you might want to test the student side of the app for a better idea when we're ready |
| 23:23.23 | lh | kloeri: you are most welcome |
| 23:23.33 | dberkholz | lh: hmm. will i be able to modify the template after the student side is available for testing? |
| 23:23.49 | lh | dberkholz: i dont think so. |
| 23:23.55 | lh | dberkholz: ask in #melange |
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| 23:25.43 | Lennie | dberkholz, yes |
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| 23:26.44 | SRabbelier | lh: the template will be editable in the organization's profile :) |
| 23:26.52 | SRabbelier | lh: (just for future reference) |
| 23:27.10 | lh | SRabbelier: danke. now i knowz. |
| 23:27.27 | SRabbelier | :) |
| 23:33.38 | spectie | nn a;; |
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| 23:38.40 | manus_eiffel | The public view of an application is not complete, does it matter? Should I worry? When I re-edit it, everything is there. |
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| 23:38.51 | lh | manus_eiffel: dont worry about it |
| 23:39.16 | manus_eiffel | lh: I won't then, thanks |
| 23:39.32 | lh | manus_eiffel: yay! |
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| 23:54.54 | manus_eiffel | Application submitted, can't wait Wednesday for the email!! |
| 23:55.22 | cerosama | Yeah! :D |
| 23:55.35 | Lennie | ^_^ |
| 23:55.45 | cerosama | May I ask you the project? ^_^ |
| 23:55.52 | Lennie | nn |
| 23:56.04 | cerosama | =( |
| 23:56.11 | manus_eiffel | For EiffelStudio, check http://dev.eiffel.com/soc_2009 |
| 23:56.22 | cerosama | Hurray! |
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