| 00:00.13 | arun_ | Catfish_Man, did you have your student submit separate proposals for each idea? does melange support multiple student apps to a single org? |
| 00:00.20 | Catfish_Man | arun: they did |
| 00:00.27 | ondrej_ | ojwb: sure, only if she's free. |
| 00:00.51 | arun_ | Catfish_Man, gotcha. thanks. |
| 00:01.04 | ojwb | ondrej_: she said she'd be back this evening (PST) to deal with such enquiries |
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| 00:01.21 | ondrej_ | ojwb: ah, thanks. I'll come back in the evening |
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| 00:02.42 | arun_ | Catfish_Man, did you let the student pick the idea they wanted to pursue? or did you pick? |
| 00:03.18 | Catfish_Man | arun: in the case I'm specifically thinking of, we let Pidgin have that student since they were short and we were full |
| 00:03.25 | Catfish_Man | I regretted that a lot later |
| 00:03.43 | arun_ | Catfish_Man, bummer. |
| 00:06.08 | arun_ | one more question for the experts. can students re-submit their proposals? or can they only submit once? i'm wondering we can use melange as part of the student app feedback cycle or if we're restricted to irc/email for that. |
| 00:07.22 | hypa7ia | arun_: if it's anything like the org apps, you'll be able to re-save until the deadline |
| 00:07.47 | arizona | is it late, to try to join a new project? i mean, not submitting a proposal, but getting in contact and being convincent... |
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| 00:08.50 | arun_ | hypa7ia, gotcha. that would make sense. i'm just wondering if they'll be able to submit more than once. |
| 00:10.17 | ScottMac | lh: I think we entered the wrong name for the backup mentor for our project |
| 00:10.27 | ScottMac | could you check it for me if you're not busy? |
| 00:10.30 | grogs987 | are there many projects using python or java? i don't get to learn much outside that through university degree. |
| 00:10.56 | Corsix | there are many java and python projects |
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| 00:11.10 | grogs987 | hmm, ok |
| 00:11.24 | grogs987 | they must generally be ones i'm unfamiliar with |
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| 00:11.55 | Corsix | for example, all of the ASF ideas are java related, many webapps are python based |
| 00:12.05 | grogs987 | ok |
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| 00:12.39 | grogs987 | most webapps i'm familiar with are PHP based, but I only have very limited experience with |
| 00:12.45 | kblin | grogs987: I guess in the next few days, people are going to update the orgs by language list |
| 00:12.53 | hypa7ia | grogs987: we're using python in a bunch of ours: http://www.xelerance.com/GSoC2009/ |
| 00:13.16 | grogs987 | sounds good kblin |
| 00:13.23 | grogs987 | thanks hypa7ia, will take a look |
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| 00:14.10 | kblin | but I think there's lots of java or python projects |
| 00:14.49 | arun_ | hi arizona. it's not too late to start getting to know a project and its community. |
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| 00:17.46 | Caemyr | hiya |
| 00:17.52 | Caemyr | is application closed? |
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| 00:18.12 | ojwb | ScottMac: lh is running errands I believe |
| 00:18.23 | ojwb | Caemyr: for orgs yes, for students it hasn't opened yet |
| 00:18.26 | ojwb | !timeline |
| 00:18.27 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 00:18.28 | Caemyr | k |
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| 00:18.33 | ojwb | see the timeline |
| 00:18.51 | ScottMac | i'm meant to be the actual admin for our project, but i'm the backup admin |
| 00:18.54 | ScottMac | the main admin is a googler |
| 00:18.59 | ScottMac | but doesn't have time |
| 00:19.04 | ojwb | ScottMac: you might be able to get help on #melange |
| 00:19.26 | ScottMac | no real rush, its 0019 and I'm heading to bed. I'll pester helly in the morning to fix this |
| 00:19.52 | ojwb | ok (and hello again - i'm the swig guy you chatted to at the summit) |
| 00:20.19 | ScottMac | i thought the name seemed familar :) |
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| 00:26.47 | Mkop2 | would it probably be OK to do GSOC if I'm also taking a class or two for part of the summer? |
| 00:27.34 | hypa7ia | Mkop2: i'd not take 2 classes, it's intended to be treated as pretty much full time |
| 00:27.48 | hypa7ia | and some projects won't want you to take one class |
| 00:27.52 | MatthewWilkes | Mkop2: Speak to the organisation you want to apply for, I think most would say it's fine |
| 00:28.49 | Mkop2 | thanks |
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| 00:29.26 | Mkop2 | I know the FAQ says that physical presence isn't necessary, but do some organizations prefer it, or provide office space if you're in the city? |
| 00:29.39 | Catfish_Man | very few, if any |
| 00:29.42 | Gimpster | Mkop2: not usually |
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| 00:31.24 | ojwb | knows at least one uni was offering office space for their students doing gsoc last year, but that was independent of the org |
| 00:31.35 | ojwb | a canadian one I think, but I forget which |
| 00:31.39 | Gimpster | Ya I think that was a prof in u of toronto |
| 00:31.49 | ojwb | Greg something maybe? |
| 00:31.52 | MatthewWilkes | University of Bristol offered it too |
| 00:32.41 | Gimpster | Last year there was a listing of organizations sorted/filtered by primary coding languages - has anyone posted anything list that? |
| 00:32.48 | Gimpster | er anything lke that |
| 00:33.00 | ojwb | it's probably worth seriously considering if it's on offer - being able to talk stuff over with the other students would mutually helpful |
| 00:33.13 | ojwb | Gimpster: it is being updated for this year |
| 00:33.17 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 00:33.17 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 00:33.26 | ojwb | that was 2008 last I looked |
| 00:33.30 | Gimpster | o perfect, sweet. ty |
| 00:33.34 | Gimpster | oh i c |
| 00:33.42 | ojwb | but should be updated soon |
| 00:33.45 | ojwb | if it isn't yet |
| 00:33.51 | ojwb | or perhaps it'll be elsewhere |
| 00:34.09 | scorche | by whom?...Mr. Someone? ;) |
| 00:34.11 | Gimpster | well it still applies for like most of the projects anyway |
| 00:34.23 | ojwb | scorche: no, an actual volunteer, but I forget who |
| 00:34.28 | scorche | ah...good |
| 00:35.09 | ojwb | Gimpster: yeah, for projects who were also in last year, it's still likely to be right |
| 00:35.24 | Mkop2 | are there other categorizations anywhere? |
| 00:35.29 | ojwb | !orgbycat |
| 00:35.30 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is http://genmapp.org/gsoc/mentors_by_category.htm |
| 00:35.36 | ojwb | but again for 2008 |
| 00:36.28 | scorche | and with that one, dont forget that orgs are pigeonholed into one category...they may very well qualify for multiple categorizations |
| 00:36.41 | Mkop2 | I'm looking for something specific |
| 00:36.47 | Mkop2 | scientific/maybe medical |
| 00:37.00 | Mkop2 | there is such a category on that page |
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| 00:37.23 | Mkop2 | and those are usually things that are easy to categorize |
| 00:40.01 | ojwb | Mkop2: yeah, though some of the "umbrella" orgs might also have such projects - e.g. the python or perl ones |
| 00:40.41 | Mkop2 | true |
| 00:41.02 | Mkop2 | i think I'm probably more likely to find something through my university than through GSOC |
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| 00:41.57 | Mkop2 | though I don't know how possible it is to find a full time programming job with no face-to-face |
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| 00:42.04 | Mkop2 | (other than on GSOC) |
| 00:43.36 | docpaul | mkop: our project is medical |
| 00:44.55 | ojwb | Mkop2: if you're a student without a track record, I suspect rather hard |
| 00:45.11 | Mkop2 | docpaul: which project? |
| 00:45.26 | docpaul | Mkop2: www.openmrs.org |
| 00:45.44 | Mkop2 | I'm just looking at that one RIGHT NOW |
| 00:45.56 | Mkop2 | that one looks really cool |
| 00:46.36 | docpaul | if you have any questions... let me know |
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| 00:48.00 | scorche | cheers docpaul |
| 00:48.00 | Mkop2 | I'm looking at your wiki, i'll see what questions I have |
| 00:48.00 | MatthewWilkes | hi docpaul! Congratulations on being accepted again |
| 00:48.00 | Mkop2 | as in, i already have questions, but will see if they're answered on the wiki |
| 00:48.11 | docpaul | projects.openmrs.org is a good starting point |
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| 00:48.16 | docpaul | MatthewWilkes: thanks! |
| 00:48.41 | docpaul | the project descriptions will evolve over the next few days |
| 00:48.53 | Mkop2 | docpaul: is that better than http://openmrs.org/wiki/Projects ? |
| 00:48.55 | docpaul | to provide a little more medical background of the implications of what you'll be doing |
| 00:48.59 | docpaul | mk: same page |
| 00:49.03 | Mkop2 | oh, ok |
| 00:49.19 | Mkop2 | I'm a bioengineering student at UPenn |
| 00:49.52 | Mkop2 | but with strong programming skills, so I want to go into the computer side of bioengineering |
| 00:50.02 | Mkop2 | or else the bio side of computer programming |
| 00:50.05 | Mkop2 | one or the other |
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| 00:50.53 | docpaul | mk: you're a perfect candidate for us |
| 00:50.59 | Mkop2 | docpaul: you were saying, about the medical background? |
| 00:51.07 | Mkop2 | thanks |
| 00:51.08 | docpaul | feel free to join us on #openmrs |
| 00:51.11 | Mkop2 | ok |
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| 01:00.15 | lil_Toady | !timeline |
| 01:00.15 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 01:27.49 | homunq | lh: can I ask you some more-specific questions about when I'd have to decide (have decided)? between being admin/mentor for Sugarlabs or student for apertium? |
| 01:28.43 | homunq | If it's too late, that's OK. I will be sugarlabs admin |
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| 01:30.01 | eean | is there a way to look up the emails of mentor requests? |
| 01:30.14 | eean | just the id is sorta useless |
| 01:30.17 | homunq | hmmm... d anderson or matthew wilkes, you may be able to answer too. I don't want to ping you directly because it can wait and people are tired. |
| 01:30.25 | homunq | eean++ |
| 01:30.41 | eean | heh :) not a original thought of mine I guess |
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| 01:32.33 | scorche | homunq: i would say ASAP, really...though i suppose that the firm time is right before student apps close...of course you can do admin/mentor-type duties (just not main/primary) without being listed as such in melange |
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| 01:36.25 | ojwb | hasn't actually seen anything saying you can't be admin and a student |
| 01:36.28 | ojwb | only not mentor and student |
| 01:37.04 | eean | admins are mentors |
| 01:37.05 | scorche | well, i dont know about melange, but in the old app, it wouldnt let you act as both roles |
| 01:37.46 | ojwb | are they if they don't mentor a student? |
| 01:38.05 | eean | the same as a mentor who doesn't mentor a student |
| 01:38.14 | scorche | though, administrators have extra duty with regards to reviewing all the evaluations, etc |
| 01:38.31 | eean | well yea |
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| 01:39.30 | hypa7ia | !faq |
| 01:39.30 | f0urtyfive | Please do not ask questions until you've read the FAQ at http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ |
| 01:39.31 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 01:40.03 | scorche | f0urtyfive: disable that |
| 01:40.19 | scorche | or whoever owns f0urtyfive, please diable that.. |
| 01:40.23 | scorche | disable too |
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| 01:48.23 | hypa7ia | !timeline |
| 01:48.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 02:10.01 | bitner | the address, shipping address, and phone number -- who should those be for? the person who is to receive payment? |
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| 02:11.01 | ojwb | bitner: if it's as last year, that's done when you invoice |
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| 02:12.30 | bitner | hmm, so should it be me as the admin? |
| 02:12.44 | ojwb | I think so, but I don't know for sure |
| 02:12.44 | bitner | what are we expecting to be shipped? |
| 02:12.50 | ojwb | a tshirt! |
| 02:13.02 | bitner | well, but each individual fills that out |
| 02:13.28 | ojwb | yes |
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| 02:13.39 | ojwb | but AFAIK, nothing is shipped to the org |
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| 02:15.46 | ojwb | what does "lower ASCII characters" mean? |
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| 02:15.53 | ojwb | < 127? |
| 02:15.56 | ojwb | or lower case? |
| 02:16.02 | bitner | I think case |
| 02:16.13 | ojwb | it seems it must include digits, or else wriitng addresses is hard |
| 02:17.39 | kendrick | yay |
| 02:17.40 | Zi | ojwb, my guess would be 0-127 |
| 02:17.58 | ojwb | we were told not to put punctuation in addresses last year |
| 02:18.07 | ojwb | which is why I'm unsure |
| 02:18.18 | ojwb | I'm amazed if the shipping place can't do upper case though |
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| 02:19.28 | Zi | ojwb: http://www.wiktel.com/standards/ascii.htm |
| 02:19.47 | ojwb | I know what ASCII means |
| 02:20.10 | ojwb | ah, it says "lower ascii" at the top |
| 02:20.11 | Zi | no, it's not a definition |
| 02:20.14 | Zi | lol |
| 02:20.55 | Zi | i guess it just means you shouldn't include squigglies and accented characters in case you have a foreign address or something? |
| 02:21.53 | ojwb | i think so |
| 02:22.13 | spectie | i read 'lower ascii' as 'lowercase ascii' |
| 02:22.38 | Zi | so as students, we're given just 5 days to pick a project, plan what to do, and discuss it with the organizations? |
| 02:22.42 | spectie | yep |
| 02:22.47 | spectie | that's basically how it goes down |
| 02:22.49 | Zi | tough =\ |
| 02:23.05 | spectie | well, the clever bods have been talking to their organisations for weeks ;) |
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| 02:23.07 | ojwb | well, there's a window to apply in |
| 02:23.13 | ojwb | there's 5 days until the start of that |
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| 02:23.43 | Zi | are you still allowed to negotiate with the organizations after the 23rd? |
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| 02:23.55 | ojwb | not sure I'd call it "negotiate" |
| 02:24.04 | Zi | well... work out the application, i guess |
| 02:24.19 | ojwb | but sure, you can discuss your application the submission deadline |
| 02:24.26 | ojwb | +up to |
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| 02:27.26 | Zi | anybody else interested in Ogre? =D |
| 02:27.41 | spectie | nn |
| 02:27.49 | webchick | lh, are you around for a quick question about the SoC alumni survey? I realize you must be crazy busy atm. :\ If so, I'm just curious if question 11 "How would you characterize your participation in the FLOSS project you contributed to for GSoC? - ..." is that talking about *while* I was participating in SoC or *since* then or *both*? |
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| 02:28.30 | webchick | Im assiming by "did" it's "back then" |
| 02:29.04 | z3r0 | hi! This is the channel for students right? or for mentors? |
| 02:29.09 | Zi | their Hybrid Tree Scene Manager idea seems awesome. =D combining octree, kdtree, aabbtree and quadtree in one scene simultaneously |
| 02:29.27 | Zi | z3r0, i believe everyone comes here. |
| 02:29.43 | z3r0 | oh ok.. so are you a student? |
| 02:29.46 | Zi | organizers, students, mentors... |
| 02:29.48 | Zi | yeah i am |
| 02:30.04 | z3r0 | cool, i'm applying for the first time this year, yourself? |
| 02:30.12 | Zi | same actually |
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| 02:30.30 | z3r0 | any specific projects in mind? |
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| 02:30.48 | Zi | i'm leaning toward ogre |
| 02:30.59 | Zi | mainly because i've been using it for years haha |
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| 02:31.22 | z3r0 | ok, but you'll be contributing for the first time |
| 02:31.24 | ojwb | hmm, if I'm an admin, do I need to sign up to be a mentor too? |
| 02:31.40 | ojwb | i'm not in the mentor list, and can invite myself, but then it wants me to enter all the same info again |
| 02:31.58 | Zi | yeah, z3ro. first time. i contributed like 5 lines of code to an add-on once, but that doesn't count LOL |
| 02:32.12 | z3r0 | haha.. yeah, should be fun, looking forward to it |
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| 02:32.45 | Zi | how about you? what you thinkin of |
| 02:32.50 | z3r0 | hey ojwb, sorry can't help you, but you should try out the GSOC google group, they have a Google person there who replies quickly |
| 02:33.21 | z3r0 | haven't checked out anything in detail yet, but maybe moodle or RoR |
| 02:33.31 | ojwb | there's people here too, and no urgency |
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| 02:44.05 | xiaohi | hi |
| 02:44.32 | xiaohi | Is there any project about Android? |
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| 02:47.57 | z3r0 | I don't think so, check out the entire list here : http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 02:49.00 | hypa7ia | xiaohi: we have one! |
| 02:49.01 | hypa7ia | http://www.xelerance.com/GSoC2009/ |
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| 02:55.17 | kasiahayden | Is there a way to search mentor organizations by the programming languages they'll want you to work in? Does anyone know? |
| 02:55.54 | newt | i haven't seen anything like that |
| 02:56.01 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 02:56.01 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 02:56.07 | ojwb | that's for 2008 and not yet updated |
| 02:56.15 | kasiahayden | thanks! |
| 02:56.17 | kasiahayden | still a start |
| 02:56.19 | ojwb | but many orgs are in this year too |
| 02:56.22 | ojwb | yeah |
| 02:56.26 | alh | lol, what about orgbylicense? ;-) |
| 02:56.39 | ojwb | alh: feel free to write one... |
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| 03:00.04 | eakwarren | lh, are you around? |
| 03:02.18 | hypa7ia | i'm working on updating it |
| 03:02.31 | hypa7ia | just archiving the current pages |
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| 03:03.41 | tac_ | !next |
| 03:03.41 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 03:22.49 | zooko | Hi folks! I'm back from a Python users group meeting. |
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| 03:25.28 | ecin | zooko: then you must be happy that the python foundation got approved. :) |
| 03:26.03 | zooko | I'll be really happy if I can persuade them to let some of their students study under my mentors and hack on my project. |
| 03:26.10 | zooko | But I guess I'm still happy anyway. :-) |
| 03:26.14 | zooko | Python is indeed a wonderful tool. |
| 03:27.46 | kasiahayden | What's your Python project? |
| 03:27.54 | c_plus_plus | How can I get a printer friendly version of the mentors list? |
| 03:28.28 | zooko | kasia hayden: http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe |
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| 03:28.43 | zooko | Our project was not accepted into GSoC this year, much to my sorrow. |
| 03:29.03 | zooko | However, we already have some good mentors lined up, so I'm trying to figure out how to get students for them anyway. |
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| 03:30.33 | kasiahayden | I don't suppose that you could get the accepted organizations using Python to reference yours to their declined applicants? |
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| 03:31.05 | zooko | Yeah, that's actually a good idea. |
| 03:31.12 | zooko | thanks for the suggestion. |
| 03:31.16 | kasiahayden | sure thing |
| 03:31.29 | zooko | What projects are you into? |
| 03:32.30 | devvrat | clear |
| 03:33.00 | kasiahayden | I'm surfing the organizations for projects in Ruby or Python, actually |
| 03:34.24 | Phrozn | !faq |
| 03:34.24 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 03:34.24 | f0urtyfive | Please do not ask questions until you've read the FAQ at http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ |
| 03:34.53 | zooko | Okay, so besides Ruby or Python, what else interests you? |
| 03:34.55 | kasiahayden | Sorry, zooko, I'm getting kicked out of the library- closing time for east coast libs |
| 03:35.01 | zooko | Gnight! |
| 03:35.06 | kasiahayden | Night |
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| 03:39.24 | ecin | kasiahayden left, but I'm with her as far as looking for a Ruby project goes. |
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| 03:43.45 | zooko | Got no Ruby knowledge to share. Got Python knowledge. |
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| 03:44.39 | Leonox1 | hi |
| 03:44.42 | double-yang | I'm suffering from choiceing a project! |
| 03:44.59 | ecin | double-yang: you can apply to a large number. |
| 03:45.43 | Leonox1 | Was VideoLan accepted as part of GSoC 2009? |
| 03:45.55 | disismt | yes |
| 03:45.56 | Phrozn | yea |
| 03:46.03 | Leonox1 | I don't see it in the list http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 03:46.23 | ecin | Leonox1: there's more than one page for the orgs that still haven't put up details. Take that into account. |
| 03:46.54 | ojwb | f0urtyfive: please disable that trigger in this channel |
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| 03:46.59 | saiyr | actually most of them have put up details now |
| 03:47.11 | saiyr | 35 with no, 116 with, videolan is part of the 116 |
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| 03:47.57 | Leonox1 | o yes page 3 |
| 03:49.02 | double-yang | Are there any modeling works? |
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| 03:50.46 | double-yang | I'm trying to find some math intense works |
| 03:51.28 | Leonox1 | there are a lot more organizations copared to GSoC 2007 |
| 03:51.39 | scorche | f0urtyfive: you can come back when that is disabled |
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| 03:52.40 | god_ | scorche: he has autojoin on. it's annoying in the other channel I'm in |
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| 04:07.08 | huda_s86 | hello all |
| 04:07.19 | timur | lh: I'm from OneLab. Any suggestions on how our organization could improve its application for next year? |
| 04:07.25 | huda_s86 | is zorba accepted as mentoring organization |
| 04:08.03 | Catfish_Man | huda_s86: check the list on the site |
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| 04:19.59 | lasitha_r | 3 |
| 04:20.08 | lasitha_r | oops |
| 04:20.11 | lasitha_r | sorry |
| 04:20.14 | disismt | scorche What was f0urtyfive doing that he got kicked? |
| 04:20.28 | scorche | disismt: are you its owner? |
| 04:20.47 | disismt | no |
| 04:20.52 | disismt | Just curious |
| 04:21.01 | timur | lh: perhaps another time would be better... |
| 04:21.15 | scorche | then dont worry about it...check the logs if you must |
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| 04:21.47 | disismt | scorche is f0urtyfive bot? |
| 04:21.59 | zooko | Well, it's getting to be bedtime here in UTC-6. Take care, folks. |
| 04:22.02 | scorche | likely |
| 04:22.08 | scorche | [21:21:26] <@scorche> then dont worry about it...check the logs if you must |
| 04:22.24 | disismt | scorche What was it doing? |
| 04:22.55 | zooko | lh: I would really like to get my feedback for allmydata.org Tahoe, Ideas page == http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/wiki/GSoCIdeas . The other folks say you'll be up for that on Friday, so hopefully we'll chat then. |
| 04:22.56 | scorche | if you arent the owner, dont worry about it...check the logs if you must |
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| 04:25.41 | disismt | !log |
| 04:25.41 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 04:25.45 | disismt | !logs |
| 04:25.46 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 04:28.45 | antarus | !ponies |
| 04:28.45 | socinfo | Error: "ponies" is not a valid command. |
| 04:29.47 | god_ | !daq |
| 04:29.47 | socinfo | Error: "daq" is not a valid command. |
| 04:29.50 | god_ | !faq |
| 04:29.51 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 04:29.59 | Phrozn | !quack |
| 04:29.59 | socinfo | Error: "quack" is not a valid command. |
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| 04:33.37 | fuzzybyte | quack |
| 04:34.38 | summatusmentis | hi all |
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| 04:34.54 | summatusmentis | it's calmed down quite a bit |
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| 04:35.52 | allisterb__ | summatusmentis, you got ops man - you pimpin' |
| 04:36.08 | summatusmentis | allisterb__: I don't think I'm supposed to have them anymore |
| 04:36.41 | summatusmentis | was helping lh through the chaos of org feedback |
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| 04:36.55 | allisterb__ | well enjoy them while you have them :) |
| 04:37.07 | summatusmentis | of course :) |
| 04:39.21 | hypa7ia | can someone update the def for !orgbulang to ask orgs to update their listings? |
| 04:39.33 | hypa7ia | er !orgbylang |
| 04:41.10 | summatusmentis | I feel like that list was compiled by someone last year |
| 04:41.39 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: it was |
| 04:41.52 | hypa7ia | hence the need for updating |
| 04:42.01 | hypa7ia | and also the disclaimer that it's out of date at the top :) |
| 04:42.21 | summatusmentis | well, right, but as compared to having the orgs do it, I think it was one person putting a fair amount of time into it |
| 04:42.35 | hypa7ia | i was going to work on it tomorrow during my boring training |
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| 04:45.39 | ojwb | hypa7ia: anyone can teach socinfo |
| 04:46.22 | summatusmentis | ojwb: it's not a matter of pointing socinfo to a new list, it's a matter of compiling a new list first |
| 04:48.11 | huda_s86 | I want to know my chance in gsoc if you know that till now i didnot communicte any organization? |
| 04:48.25 | mithro | vote up - http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3809239 |
| 04:48.34 | summatusmentis | huda_s86: until now there were no orgs even accepted |
| 04:48.40 | hypa7ia | huda_s86: the getting to know orgs period is just starting |
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| 04:48.45 | summatusmentis | huda_s86: no one can tell you your 'chance' |
| 04:49.08 | summatusmentis | it very much depends on how well you sell yourself |
| 04:49.11 | hypa7ia | mithro: typo in drupal link |
| 04:49.27 | mithro | hypa7ia: known but I can't fix it now |
| 04:49.40 | hypa7ia | drat :( |
| 04:50.21 | ojwb | summatusmentis: he seemed to be offering to... |
| 04:50.35 | summatusmentis | I think so |
| 04:50.48 | ojwb | and it could also say "2008 list is at..." |
| 04:51.03 | huda_s86 | summatusmentis : thanks, but I was thinking that not contacting orgniaztion before will affect |
| 04:51.06 | hypa7ia | ojwb: she |
| 04:51.07 | hypa7ia | :p |
| 04:51.12 | summatusmentis | !orgbylang |
| 04:51.12 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 04:51.21 | ojwb | hypa7ia: sorry, I have a cold |
| 04:51.31 | summatusmentis | socinfo: forget orgylang |
| 04:51.31 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 04:51.33 | hypa7ia | that link already says "list is out of date, and archive is here" |
| 04:51.42 | summatusmentis | socinfo: forget orgbylang |
| 04:51.42 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:52.18 | hypa7ia | is there a better place to be putting it for this year? |
| 04:52.26 | hypa7ia | melange, presumably? |
| 04:52.51 | summatusmentis | socinfo: learn orgbylang as the 2008 list is at http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language, updated list may be provided later |
| 04:52.51 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:52.56 | summatusmentis | !orgbylang |
| 04:52.56 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is the 2008 list is at http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language, updated list may be provided later |
| 04:53.06 | hypa7ia | good good |
| 04:53.11 | hypa7ia | i'll work on that tomorrow |
| 04:53.17 | mithro | someone should add tagging to melange |
| 04:53.21 | mithro | I was hoping to get to it |
| 04:53.24 | mithro | but I didn't get around to it |
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| 04:53.29 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: I don't know that melange has user-editable content |
| 04:53.38 | summatusmentis | but I may be mistaken |
| 04:53.56 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: ah, good point |
| 04:54.14 | hypa7ia | i was more thinking if i was going to do most of the work anyway, to just put up a page there |
| 04:54.21 | hypa7ia | but the wiki still makes more sense |
| 04:54.40 | summatusmentis | that said, I do feel like it was supposed to have a wiki, at least initially |
| 04:54.50 | hypa7ia | nods |
| 04:55.43 | hypa7ia | socinfo: learn "orgbylocation" is the 2008 list is being updated at http://www.eflow.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=GSoCers_By_Location , but is still out of date |
| 04:55.43 | socinfo | (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 04:55.56 | hypa7ia | oops, as not is |
| 04:56.00 | hypa7ia | socinfo: learn "orgbylocation" as the 2008 list is being updated at http://www.eflow.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=GSoCers_By_Location , but is still out of date |
| 04:56.00 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:56.07 | hypa7ia | !orgbylocation |
| 04:56.07 | socinfo | "orgbylocation" is the 2008 list is being updated at http://www.eflow.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=GSoCers_By_Location , but is still out of date |
| 04:56.25 | hypa7ia | socinfo: learn "orgbyloc" as the 2008 list is being updated at http://www.eflow.org/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=GSoCers_By_Location , but is still out of date |
| 04:56.25 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:56.33 | hypa7ia | for brevity's sake :) |
| 04:56.37 | summatusmentis | I like brevity |
| 04:56.38 | hypa7ia | and now i will cease spamming |
| 04:56.43 | hypa7ia | and get some sleep |
| 04:56.44 | summatusmentis | psh, it's not spam |
| 04:56.51 | hypa7ia | is still uber wired from getting accepted! |
| 04:56.53 | summatusmentis | wait, before you go, what's your org? |
| 04:56.56 | hypa7ia | oh right! |
| 04:57.01 | hypa7ia | xelerance |
| 04:57.15 | hypa7ia | which is, openswan, some dnssec stuff, and some OTR stuff |
| 04:57.21 | hypa7ia | http://www.xelerance.com/GSoC2009/ |
| 04:58.08 | summatusmentis | cool cool |
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| 04:58.48 | summatusmentis | hi lh |
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| 04:59.02 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: yup, we're very excited. we applied in 2007 but didn;t get in, and last year was crunch time so we didn't |
| 04:59.28 | summatusmentis | I know how crunch time goes, last year I was trying to get Angstrom to apply and they missed it |
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| 05:00.29 | lh | summatusmentis: hey there |
| 05:00.36 | hypa7ia | i had just started a new job and didn't have time to hassle paul to apply :) |
| 05:00.58 | hypa7ia | wheras this year i just did it myself :) |
| 05:01.11 | summatusmentis | lh: I hope you've been relaxing since feedback ended. Your feats of calm-ness during everything are astounding |
| 05:01.22 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: well, good luck |
| 05:01.45 | yangyanli | !idea |
| 05:01.45 | socinfo | Error: "idea" is not a valid command. |
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| 05:02.12 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: thanks :) |
| 05:03.04 | summatusmentis | oh crap, eee 900 on sellout.woot for 179 |
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| 05:03.37 | hypa7ia | danger will robinson danger danger |
| 05:03.52 | summatusmentis | wait, the 900 is old :( |
| 05:04.57 | thebolt | hi |
| 05:05.30 | newt | sadly things never work out as well as you hope :/ |
| 05:05.50 | newt | esp with online sales |
| 05:06.11 | anothy_x | it's not super new, but that's still a very nice price, if you were after such a thing. |
| 05:06.28 | summatusmentis | I want the 901 |
| 05:06.37 | summatusmentis | w/ atom, and 1GB of ram |
| 05:06.50 | summatusmentis | but I may do this :) |
| 05:07.15 | hypa7ia | yeah, the 900 has a terrible kb too |
| 05:07.25 | hypa7ia | ok sleep now, nite folks! |
| 05:07.44 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: sleep well, but the 901 keyboard is basically identical, right? |
| 05:08.44 | hypa7ia | yeah, it sucks too :) |
| 05:09.11 | hypa7ia | the msi wind has a nice kb, as do the HP ones, and the new asus 1000he i hear |
| 05:09.14 | jrock08 | summatusmentis: I got the hp 1000 and installed ubuntu. I've been very happy with it |
| 05:09.18 | newt | is there a netbook with a good keyboard? |
| 05:09.22 | hypa7ia | and the samsung nc10 |
| 05:09.26 | hypa7ia | newt: see above |
| 05:09.30 | jrock08 | the hp has a 90% keyboard |
| 05:09.35 | hypa7ia | i have an msi wind and love it |
| 05:09.36 | newt | ^_^; |
| 05:09.40 | hypa7ia | it's like 88% |
| 05:09.57 | summatusmentis | the msi wind is expensive :( |
| 05:10.05 | hypa7ia | it is in the US, isn't it :( |
| 05:10.08 | hypa7ia | get the asus |
| 05:10.09 | jrock08 | the hp is pretty cheap |
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| 05:10.19 | hypa7ia | the 1000he that is |
| 05:10.22 | hypa7ia | uber battery life |
| 05:10.38 | hypa7ia | samsung nc10 and it both get around 7 hrs |
| 05:10.41 | jrock08 | oh yeah... that is one bad thing about the hp... only 3 cell batteries right now |
| 05:10.44 | summatusmentis | I was planning on waiting a bit until I could sell my macbook and go desktop+netbook, but I might seriously jump on this 900 |
| 05:10.59 | hypa7ia | it may turn you off netbooks forever |
| 05:11.02 | hypa7ia | phear |
| 05:11.19 | summatusmentis | just played with the 901 in bestbuy, and was very intrigued |
| 05:11.29 | hypa7ia | oh ok, you have actually touched one |
| 05:11.36 | summatusmentis | yeah, I have |
| 05:11.40 | hypa7ia | that's what i was going to advise :) |
| 05:11.44 | hypa7ia | off for realz now |
| 05:12.20 | summatusmentis | sleep well |
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| 05:13.20 | summatusmentis | I'll see where I'm at in the morning, but i doubt I'll do it. old cpu, no webcam, non-upgradable SSD |
| 05:13.50 | jrock08 | the hp is only like 280 for the butchered nix version |
| 05:14.11 | jrock08 | and frys was running a deal on the xp for 300 |
| 05:14.14 | summatusmentis | thats the 901 I'm looking at is 280 |
| 05:14.17 | Mkop2 | ooh, is that lh? I have no idea who you are, but about 10-15 different people have been looking for you in the past couple hours |
| 05:14.21 | jrock08 | was/is I don't know |
| 05:14.35 | summatusmentis | Mkop2: that's who that is, yes |
| 05:14.50 | summatusmentis | jrock08: butchered nix version? |
| 05:14.56 | summatusmentis | !lh |
| 05:14.56 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Lighthearted Hippy, or (#2) Lady Hawthorn, or (#3) a zen experience to be hugged by!, or (#4) LOVE!, or (#5) lovingly happy, or (#6) free as in freedom!, or (#7) Loathes Harkonnen, or (#8) magic, or (#9) pillar of patience, or (#10) the most awesome woman to ever walk the earth, or (#11) superwoman with superhuman powers, or (#12) living human |
| 05:15.06 | summatusmentis | Mkop2: ^^ |
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| 05:15.23 | jrock08 | it has a custom nix |
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| 05:15.29 | jrock08 | based on ubuntu |
| 05:15.33 | thebolt | Mkop2: there is always people looking for lh |
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| 05:16.07 | summatusmentis | jrock08: yeah, eee901 I'm loking at has better base specs than the hp 1000mi |
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| 05:16.17 | jrock08 | oh ok |
| 05:16.26 | summatusmentis | more base ram |
| 05:16.31 | summatusmentis | bigger base ssd |
| 05:16.37 | summatusmentis | otherwise the same :) |
| 05:16.49 | jrock08 | what is the price? |
| 05:17.06 | summatusmentis | on amazon, 279 |
| 05:17.18 | jrock08 | damn |
| 05:17.23 | jrock08 | I didn't realize they were that cheap |
| 05:17.28 | summatusmentis | someone in here pointed me that way |
| 05:17.36 | summatusmentis | now, 8.9" screen |
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| 05:17.43 | summatusmentis | which I assume the base hp one is also |
| 05:18.18 | jrock08 | it might only be an 8 inch screen actually |
| 05:18.28 | jrock08 | but it isnt flush |
| 05:18.50 | jrock08 | the diagonal on the whole machine is 10 inches I think |
| 05:18.57 | summatusmentis | mm |
| 05:19.25 | summatusmentis | probably passing, despite the amazing price |
| 05:19.33 | summatusmentis | (on woot) |
| 05:19.37 | jrock08 | probably a good call |
| 05:19.40 | jrock08 | and yeah I saw that |
| 05:19.49 | thebolt | summatusmentis: after looking at them for some time and going over and poking all netbook models there is (the electronics warehouses here have them all) i kind-of decided against.. instead maybe going for a tiny bit smaller laptop than my current (and no desktop but rather a server without any screen etc for computationally heavy/storage stuff..) |
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| 05:20.29 | jrock08 | ok... back to my python code rather than interesting, but in the end useless netbook discussions |
| 05:20.36 | summatusmentis | thebolt: I like my macbook, but the netbooks are so tiny! :) |
| 05:20.42 | thebolt | the feeling at least was that the keyboard(s) are not good enough to get really good writing speed (for taking in-class notes etc) |
| 05:20.55 | thebolt | but still so large that i wouldn't bring it absolutely everywhere |
| 05:21.04 | thebolt | (for the absolutely everywhere i have wifi in my mobile phone :P) |
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| 05:21.47 | summatusmentis | my absolutely everywhere is my iPod Touch currently, because 1x on PalmOS blazer sucks |
| 05:22.17 | thebolt | yea, i have an htc touch diamond that i bring everywhere, as its my phone and nr1 time-keeper |
| 05:22.55 | summatusmentis | urgh, winmo |
| 05:23.34 | thebolt | yep :) |
| 05:23.48 | thebolt | (and my only computer atm is also running windows :) |
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| 05:26.36 | summatusmentis | urgh, bed for me |
| 05:26.40 | summatusmentis | 'night all |
| 05:26.44 | jrock08 | night |
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| 05:33.17 | ajuonline | good morning |
| 05:33.42 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: how come you have an @ ? |
| 05:33.44 | ajuonline | wants |
| 05:36.05 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: everyone loves me more than you |
| 05:36.44 | ajuonline | calls summatusmentis's sister |
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| 05:37.33 | ajuonline | complains |
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| 05:38.18 | ajuonline | looks at lh with puppy eyes |
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| 05:38.55 | chx | ajuonline: she might be asleep. it's late. |
| 05:39.13 | ajuonline | chx: i know :( |
| 05:39.20 | ajuonline | chx: whats up, btw ;) |
| 05:40.00 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: during org feedback mayhem, I was fielding non-feedback questions |
| 05:40.08 | summatusmentis | lh in her graces bestowed it upon me |
| 05:40.19 | summatusmentis | I expect it'll be gone by the time I wake up tomorrow |
| 05:41.01 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ah ok, I was sleep :P |
| 05:41.05 | ajuonline | sleeping* |
| 05:41.19 | ajuonline | and I am not in this .NET class |
| 05:41.21 | ajuonline | now* |
| 05:41.44 | Landon | well that's your problem there |
| 05:41.52 | chx | my student from last eyar was a bit of a disappointment: he only wants to run as a student again and does not eyt want to mentor. |
| 05:43.01 | ajuonline | chx: how is that a disappointment |
| 05:43.13 | Landon | maybe he needs the $$ :) |
| 05:43.20 | summatusmentis | Landon: eee 900 on sellout.woot for 179 |
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| 05:43.39 | summatusmentis | not that you care, since you have one, but still |
| 05:43.54 | Landon | orly |
| 05:43.57 | Landon | do eet |
| 05:44.01 | Landon | do eet with a passion |
| 05:44.05 | ajuonline | i am going to get one for my dad |
| 05:44.21 | summatusmentis | but.. but.. 900Mhz celeron |
| 05:44.50 | chx | i like when ppl go mentoring in the second year |
| 05:45.17 | Landon | I kind of want an upgrade :P |
| 05:45.20 | Landon | facebook killlzzzzzzzzz it |
| 05:45.28 | summatusmentis | chx: I'm student'ing for a second time this year |
| 05:45.32 | Landon | when I'm running it with a half dozen tabs, gnome-term, pidgin, and skype |
| 05:45.37 | summatusmentis | hrr |
| 05:45.40 | chx | summatusmentis: great. |
| 05:45.53 | ajuonline | as well |
| 05:46.03 | ajuonline | chx: i know other drupal student who are applying again this year |
| 05:46.13 | summatusmentis | chx: the only point is that it's not uncommon, and I know I don't feel competent enough to mentor |
| 05:46.26 | chx | ajuonline: me too. |
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| 05:49.30 | summatusmentis | alright, bed for real |
| 05:49.30 | ajuonline | pimps summatusmentis's blog post to chx as well |
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| 05:50.19 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: heh, people are gonna start thinking I'm writing things worth reading |
| 05:50.23 | summatusmentis | 'night all |
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| 05:50.38 | Landon | summatusmentis: heaven forbid they think that |
| 05:50.46 | Landon | they might have their heads explode by accident :( |
| 05:51.13 | summatusmentis | Landon: exactly |
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| 05:51.41 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i might as well, write one on that |
| 05:53.00 | _allen_ | hi, all |
| 05:53.01 | Landon | I updated my blag |
| 05:53.02 | Landon | :) |
| 05:53.13 | Landon | its all exciting now |
| 05:53.30 | Landon | one post in 9 months |
| 05:53.34 | Landon | whoo |
| 05:53.36 | Landon | I should slow down |
| 05:54.07 | ajuonline | what brand of eee are good ones? |
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| 06:00.20 | ajuonline | Landon: |
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| 06:05.56 | arunreddy | can we apply for and organisation with more than one idea..i mean more than one application.. |
| 06:06.11 | arunreddy | if so some experienced ppl tell me the pros of cons of the same |
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| 06:08.04 | ajuonline | arunreddy: yes, you can. |
| 06:08.35 | fuzzybyte | you can apply max. 20 applications |
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| 06:20.10 | chx | !timeline |
| 06:20.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 06:20.50 | Mkop2 | at which point does submitting an application commit me to a project? |
| 06:22.01 | ajuonline | when results are announced |
| 06:22.26 | homunq | Mkop2: if you submit a number of applications and don't revoke them before the deadline, you could get picked for any one (or of course none). Then you are stuck with that one. |
| 06:23.26 | homunq | You can provide info about which one you'd prefer, and generally people will try not to use that against you (ie, not reject you for second choice just because its second choice, unless you get first choice) |
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| 06:23.58 | homunq | but there are no guarantees, you do that at your own risk. I'd trust people to be fair if I were you, but YMMV. |
| 06:24.00 | Mkop2 | it's not like a normal job offer where you apply, you get an offer, and then you decide whether or not to accept the offer? |
| 06:24.21 | homunq | well of course you can say "no" |
| 06:24.31 | homunq | but that is pretty poor form |
| 06:24.55 | homunq | it looks a little bad for your organization, and they lose the slot usually. |
| 06:25.14 | homunq | you should not make an application that you're not serious about. |
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| 06:26.44 | Mkop2 | so far, I've not decided yet what I want to do for the summer |
| 06:26.56 | Mkop2 | IF it's GSOC, I know for sure which project it would be |
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| 06:27.19 | homunq | Go ahead and start to work on an application. |
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| 06:27.34 | homunq | You have at least until the app deadline to decide for sure. |
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| 06:28.48 | homunq | To be perfectly frank, most orgs would not be mad at you if you rescinded your app by email to them within a few days *after* the app deadline. |
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| 06:36.42 | joeyadams | What happens if I apply under mentor organizations A and B, and both accept my proposal? How does that get sorted out? |
| 06:37.27 | scorche | joeyadams: the 2 orgs and you will communicate |
| 06:37.41 | joeyadams | Okay, thanks |
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| 06:44.28 | glaksmono | anyone know what's good auction open source software? |
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| 06:55.03 | JonCruz | scorche: sometimes the mentors from the orgs will stage a cage match to battle for the slot |
| 06:55.04 | JonCruz | :-) |
| 06:56.25 | ajuonline | conflict resolution is fun |
| 06:56.27 | ajuonline | :P |
| 06:56.38 | Zi | i'm so nervous :( |
| 06:56.48 | ajuonline | Zi: why is that? |
| 06:56.56 | ajuonline | Zi: but its good :) lets you feel alive ;) |
| 06:57.05 | Zi | i have every confidence in my qualifications, but i've never really been active in my organization's online community |
| 06:57.17 | JonCruz | you must fail |
| 06:57.19 | ajuonline | Zi: never to late to get active |
| 06:57.24 | ajuonline | too late* |
| 06:57.31 | JonCruz | if you're not failing at anything, then you're not reaching to improve anything |
| 06:57.47 | scorche | JonCruz: i know...i have lost one of those =( |
| 06:58.49 | JonCruz | Zi: I think one of the goals of SoC is to get people moving to bring them in to participation. Once they start, it's easier to keep going |
| 06:58.53 | kblin | morning dudes and dudettes |
| 06:58.58 | JonCruz | morning?!?!? |
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| 06:59.00 | thebolt | hey kblin |
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| 06:59.01 | JonCruz | eeeek! it's late |
| 06:59.05 | JonCruz | kblin: morning |
| 06:59.09 | ajuonline | scorche: really? what was it? |
| 06:59.24 | kblin | JonCruz: it's always morning when I join an IRC channel |
| 06:59.27 | scorche | an application.. |
| 06:59.29 | ajuonline | JonCruz: 1229 hours here at my site |
| 06:59.31 | kblin | JonCruz: that's IRC time |
| 06:59.32 | ajuonline | and what kblin said |
| 06:59.48 | ajuonline | its always good morning on irc |
| 07:00.00 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 07:00.16 | Zi | JonCruz, yeah. but it just makes me a bit nervous when the application template says "examples of being actively involved in a community (preferably the ____ forums obviously) will support your application." |
| 07:00.21 | kblin | thebolt: you missed the first early notification of mentoring orgs ever |
| 07:00.45 | scorche | Zi: so get involved now! |
| 07:01.09 | Zi | hm... guess it wouldn't hurt, lol |
| 07:01.12 | thebolt | kblin: yea, i was sleeping |
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| 07:01.20 | thebolt | kblin: otoh, this year i am not a mentor.. |
| 07:01.41 | thebolt | kblin: which leads me to.. you have a minute to discuss an idea (in pm?);) |
| 07:01.48 | kblin | sure |
| 07:06.45 | bradh | do I really need to keep filling in my personal details (register, admin, mentor)? |
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| 07:20.23 | ojwb | bradh: i wondered the same |
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| 07:30.56 | kblin | bradh: yeah, I've already created a feature request for that |
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| 07:33.20 | xorAxAx | good morning kblin |
| 07:33.24 | xorAxAx | online so early? |
| 07:34.19 | kblin | xorAxAx: I'm up since 6:25 |
| 07:34.46 | kblin | my gf needs to leave for university bloody early |
| 07:34.49 | xorAxAx | ah |
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| 07:41.58 | kblin | damn |
| 07:42.10 | kblin | another bug |
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| 07:42.21 | kblin | I should stop using software I wrote |
| 07:42.43 | x58 | Eh? |
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| 07:45.06 | PulpFictionPB | !next |
| 07:45.07 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 07:52.10 | harlan | Can org apps be edited now? |
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| 07:59.11 | ojwb | one easy way to find out! |
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| 07:59.15 | ojwb | but I believe so |
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| 07:59.39 | harlan | It looks like I needed to finish an admin form first. |
| 07:59.53 | marioant | hello |
| 08:00.21 | harlan | Why does the org admin form require a full birthday instead of just a month/year? |
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| 08:01.16 | marioant | I just put in the admin form in and did not change the requested number of students at the bottom so that has inadvertently been left at 0 - Doh! - is there a way of going back to change this? I've looked but can't seem to find a way to go back to edit that bit of information? |
| 08:01.34 | marioant | anyone know? |
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| 08:02.25 | newt | yell at someone during their business hours? |
| 08:02.38 | marioant | hmmm.... |
| 08:04.52 | marioant | I guess mailing list it is the... |
| 08:05.19 | kblin | marioant: there is an "edit organization profile" link in the sidebar |
| 08:05.29 | kblin | I can change the number of requested students there |
| 08:05.53 | marioant | ok, thanks - clearly then I did not look well enough Doh*2 ... and I did look .... |
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| 08:12.52 | spectie | !timeline |
| 08:12.52 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 08:18.15 | marioant | problem was that I had not filled in my admin profile so could not see the org profile - sorted now - phew |
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| 08:21.30 | penyaskito | good morning everybody |
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| 08:31.02 | Zi | morning penyaskito |
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| 08:34.11 | sminnee | Hi, by my reckoning it's 1:30am in Googletime. Is anyone still here? |
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| 08:35.25 | kblin | 355 people, according to the nicklist |
| 08:35.29 | JonCruz | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 08:35.35 | penyaskito | some of them awake ;) |
| 08:36.09 | ojwb | marioant: I'd imagine that "requested students" won't be used until it's time to request slots |
| 08:36.23 | sminnee | haha. i was poking my head in with the hopes of getting in on the "Feedback for rejected organization" discussions, but I think timezones may have foiled me. |
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| 08:36.39 | ojwb | after all, you don't know how many you want right now |
| 08:36.44 | marioant | ojwb: you are probably right but I did not want a zero hanging around there ... |
| 08:36.58 | marioant | I put in for the same number as we had last year |
| 08:36.59 | marioant | but |
| 08:36.59 | ojwb | ours is zero |
| 08:37.05 | marioant | we may require zero |
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| 08:37.12 | marioant | freudian slip |
| 08:37.17 | marioant | may require less |
| 08:37.26 | marioant | I think I read your zero and typed it in |
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| 08:37.42 | ojwb | I see your zero and raise you zero |
| 08:38.20 | bradh | kblin: student for openchange this year? |
| 08:38.39 | kblin | bradh: I wish I had time for that :) |
| 08:38.46 | kblin | bradh: admining three orgs :) |
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| 08:39.28 | bradh | kblin: "resign as admin" will fix that. |
| 08:39.32 | bradh | then no problem :-) |
| 08:39.49 | bradh | samba, wine, ? |
| 08:40.23 | kblin | worldforge |
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| 08:41.03 | kblin | bradh: no, I mean I'm actually trying to get my M.Sc. finished this year, so I'll have lots of examns |
| 08:41.20 | kblin | no time to work on a gsoc project |
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| 08:55.22 | DarkUranium | hi |
| 08:55.55 | Zi | yello |
| 08:57.02 | DarkUranium | I know I'm kind of late, but... |
| 08:57.27 | DarkUranium | I've thought of signing up my project for GSoC, but the problem is that the project is a minor one and besides, the deadline was already over when I checked |
| 08:57.45 | ojwb | yes, you are a bit late! |
| 08:57.47 | DarkUranium | it's a game-making program... does anyone know any umbrella organizations that my project would fit into? |
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| 08:58.33 | ojwb | the language ones perhaps? |
| 08:58.44 | DarkUranium | like..? |
| 08:58.49 | DarkUranium | I can't take, say Python |
| 08:58.56 | DarkUranium | because this program has nothing to do with Py |
| 08:58.57 | ojwb | perl too |
| 08:58.59 | DarkUranium | lib* |
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| 08:59.05 | DarkUranium | neither does with Perl |
| 08:59.07 | kblin | DarkUranium: what kind of games? |
| 08:59.11 | ojwb | well, you know what it is written in... |
| 08:59.18 | DarkUranium | it has to do with D and Monster Script, for which I didn't find any orgs |
| 08:59.22 | DarkUranium | for any kind of 2D games |
| 08:59.30 | DarkUranium | there's no D organizations, ojwb |
| 08:59.38 | DarkUranium | at least not as far as I could see |
| 08:59.49 | ojwb | no, i didn't notice one |
| 09:00.03 | DarkUranium | and Monster Script is currently a one-man project, and I know the guy -- he had no intention of signing up for GSoC, and therefore he's not there017e |
| 09:00.09 | DarkUranium | s/017e// |
| 09:00.28 | DarkUranium | hm, cool bot |
| 09:00.41 | DarkUranium | but I digress.017e |
| 09:00.42 | ojwb | that's one way of describing it |
| 09:00.46 | DarkUranium | s/017e// |
| 09:00.56 | DarkUranium | sorry, not my keyboard, the enter key is usually at the spot of 017e |
| 09:01.06 | impl | wtf character is that |
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| 09:01.19 | DarkUranium | many slovan countries use it |
| 09:01.21 | DarkUranium | 010c0160017d |
| 09:01.24 | DarkUranium | 010c0160017d |
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| 09:01.34 | impl | I just see a control character followed by 017e |
| 09:01.34 | DarkUranium | okay, my client won't display them properly in upper case, but w/e |
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| 09:01.48 | DarkUranium | it's z with... I think it's called a hyphen |
| 09:01.55 | Smeggy | ponders gsoc |
| 09:01.58 | Zi | DarkUranium, winlibre is looking for "innovative standalone applications" with no other alternatives out there... but i guess there are many game making apps |
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| 09:02.03 | FallenDevl2 | Hi |
| 09:02.15 | DarkUranium | Zi: how many are there that make cross-platform binaries that also work on PSP? :) |
| 09:02.20 | FallenDevl2 | Is there list of orgs by programming languages? |
| 09:02.21 | DarkUranium | Zi: And for any kind of 2D games, at that |
| 09:02.24 | DarkUranium | winlibre you said? |
| 09:02.44 | impl | ž ? |
| 09:02.44 | DarkUranium | can't find it on the lists |
| 09:02.44 | DarkUranium | yes, impl |
| 09:02.44 | FallenDevl2 | IIRC, there was one last year |
| 09:02.47 | impl | ah |
| 09:02.59 | Zi | yeah, but as innovative as your product is in its field, i find it highly improbable it will fit in with winlibre's requirements |
| 09:03.06 | DarkUranium | Zi: Where could I find winlibre? It's not on the list of all accepted orgs |
| 09:03.15 | kblin | FallenDevl2: as soon as someone prepares one, there is |
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| 09:03.25 | Zi | it is there, DarkUranium. |
| 09:03.26 | DarkUranium | nvm, found it |
| 09:03.27 | kblin | !orgs |
| 09:03.27 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 09:04.06 | DarkUranium | "ease of use" part does apply for this |
| 09:04.24 | Zi | you heard of Shiva, by StoneTrip? |
| 09:04.25 | DarkUranium | it will have a drag & drop/node-based/point & click (not sure yet, most likely a hybrid) interface |
| 09:04.36 | Zi | although it's 3D |
| 09:05.01 | Smeggy | or Unity, by Unity |
| 09:05.17 | Zi | Unity is huge. and not open source |
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| 09:05.46 | Smeggy | neither is shiva lol |
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| 09:05.58 | DarkUranium | I'll need to find contact info on WinLibre |
| 09:06.01 | Smeggy | and Unity entirely reliant on the open source Mono |
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| 09:06.03 | DarkUranium | how could I propose to join anyways? |
| 09:06.32 | Zi | no clue =\ |
| 09:06.37 | FallenDevl2 | !logs |
| 09:06.37 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 09:06.38 | Zi | i'm just a student =D |
| 09:06.57 | DarkUranium | so am I |
| 09:07.01 | DarkUranium | ...if you were talking to me |
| 09:07.13 | Zi | oh i thought... you wanted to apply to be a new org |
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| 09:08.01 | Zi | because you said the deadline is over. afaik, student applications haven't even begun |
| 09:08.04 | DarkUranium | the project is currently too small for that, methinks |
| 09:08.08 | DarkUranium | nope, they haven't |
| 09:08.12 | DarkUranium | but I'm not making a student app |
| 09:08.17 | DarkUranium | my project needs some help |
| 09:08.37 | Zi | ah, so you're a student, but your role is org |
| 09:08.44 | DarkUranium | it's currently a 2-man project, the other guy doing AI (and testing) and me doing everything else |
| 09:08.45 | DarkUranium | yes |
| 09:08.48 | DarkUranium | I guess you could say that |
| 09:08.56 | DarkUranium | more like a project, not really an organization :P |
| 09:10.13 | DarkUranium | besides, I doubt I would have been accepted as a organization anyways, the program has just hit alpha, it was pre-alpha a few weeks ago |
| 09:10.21 | DarkUranium | the library behind the program actually |
| 09:10.45 | ojwb | they tend not to accept projects which are rather new |
| 09:10.57 | ojwb | or so small |
| 09:11.02 | DarkUranium | exactly |
| 09:11.10 | DarkUranium | that's why it's much better to join some org |
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| 09:13.26 | DarkUranium | well, at least I blieve so |
| 09:13.31 | DarkUranium | s/blieve/believe/ |
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| 09:14.50 | DarkUranium | ojwb, I'll try finding info on joining Winlibre |
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| 09:20.02 | ojwb | um, ok |
| 09:20.08 | ojwb | wasn't my suggestion though |
| 09:20.44 | DarkUranium | well |
| 09:20.47 | DarkUranium | do you have a better idea, ojwb |
| 09:21.14 | ojwb | no |
| 09:21.21 | ojwb | just wondering why you were telling me! |
| 09:21.49 | ojwb | sorry, quite tired, I'm probably misunderstanding |
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| 09:27.01 | DarkUranium | well |
| 09:27.03 | DarkUranium | I have to go |
| 09:27.10 | DarkUranium | I'm at school and the next lesson is about to begin... |
| 09:27.17 | DarkUranium | to be continued |
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| 09:35.42 | P-Storm | Hello all, I got a question: I'm a math student, (exactly a bedrijfswiskunde) and I wanted to join SoC, only but is that i can only program in vb .net (what isn't that opensource). But I can supply organisations with my math knowledge. Is there a possibility that i can find a place? |
| 09:36.32 | impl | The VB.NET specification is, in fact, open source |
| 09:36.36 | impl | I believe, anyway |
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| 09:38.14 | P-Storm | so impl you think that i can find a place? :) |
| 09:38.39 | sid0 | P-Storm: the language that an open source program is written in need not be open |
| 09:38.59 | sid0 | you'll have to look for an org whose code is vb.net |
| 09:39.09 | sid0 | is not sure such an org exists |
| 09:39.21 | sid0 | there are C# orgs though, IIRC |
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| 09:39.46 | P-Storm | yeah, C# is a bit different, i can read it a bit, but never tried to program in |
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| 09:40.05 | sid0 | hi gobbo |
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| 09:41.35 | gobbo | sid0: Hello. |
| 09:41.47 | gobbo | sid0: Looked at the ideas? |
| 09:41.56 | sid0 | gobbo: for? |
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| 09:42.17 | gobbo | sid0: organisation listing? |
| 09:42.33 | sid0 | um, yes, I had a look at the org list |
| 09:42.38 | sid0 | not sure what you mean by "ideas" |
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| 09:43.06 | gobbo | sid0: organisation -> their ideas (proposed projects) |
| 09:43.24 | sid0 | oh |
| 09:43.30 | sid0 | I did look at a few |
| 09:43.35 | sid0 | not too many though |
| 09:43.42 | gobbo | hmm... |
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| 09:44.46 | sid0 | no idea what happened there |
| 09:45.34 | gobbo | direct connection is giving me problems |
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| 09:46.10 | sid0 | well I seem to have been connected via the direct connection for around 15 hours now without a problem |
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| 10:02.01 | P-Storm | damn, didn't find 1 org that uses vb .net. I'm I just unlucky with searching or... *continues with searching* |
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| 10:03.17 | til- | will do |
| 10:04.40 | Raim | P-Storm: in my opinion the programming language is not important for your project |
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| 10:05.12 | Raim | P-Storm: rather look for are a project you are personal interested in, like a software you already use or would use |
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| 10:06.09 | P-Storm | yeah i found some software, but i don't think that those programs need math knowledge. |
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| 10:07.35 | P-Storm | found all the software i use :P, so now the next step is reading those ideas? |
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| 10:14.12 | jdkav | danderson, : query |
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| 10:19.13 | NicDumZ | xchat is parsing the topic link as http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters%C2%A0 |
| 10:19.19 | NicDumZ | is it the only client to do this? |
| 10:19.32 | lynxlynxlynx | konvi works |
| 10:20.17 | NicDumZ | damn xchat =) |
| 10:21.46 | sid0 | wfm on xchat |
| 10:21.56 | sid0 | oh |
| 10:22.01 | sid0 | actually it doesn't |
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| 10:23.45 | MaNI | works for me on xchat |
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| 10:27.11 | MaNI | what character set do you have selected for freenode server? |
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| 10:30.13 | sid0 | yeah, UTF-8 |
| 10:30.23 | NicDumZ | yep, utf-8 here |
| 10:30.41 | MaNI | what xchat version? |
| 10:30.50 | NicDumZ | 2.8.6 |
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| 10:31.54 | MaNI | odd |
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| 10:32.52 | rkatiyar | !next |
| 10:32.52 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 11:28.09 | Zi | heh, all the activity in this channel is from joining and leaving. =D |
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| 11:28.31 | garbeam | indeed |
| 11:28.36 | Guest66848 | this is semmalai from india . i am planned to join M.tech by research on april 15 is it possible to participate this programm |
| 11:28.46 | sid0 | !faq |
| 11:28.47 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 11:28.50 | calebr | xchat has 'hide join/part messages' option |
| 11:29.23 | Guest66848 | is there any project related to linux kernel |
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| 11:30.08 | brlcad | double-yang: yes? |
| 11:30.25 | brlcad | double-yang: you can take it to #brlcad |
| 11:30.41 | talkout | Guest66848: check https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code_2009 |
| 11:30.42 | sid0 | !orglist |
| 11:30.42 | socinfo | "orglist" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 11:32.41 | Guest66848 | thank you very much talkout |
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| 11:40.51 | danderson | jdkav: what? |
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| 11:42.09 | sid0 | danderson: say, you aren't the same david anderson that worked on TraceMonkey, are you? |
| 11:42.18 | danderson | sid0: no |
| 11:42.30 | danderson | I'd love to, but I don't know enough about JITs to be useful :) |
| 11:42.35 | sid0 | sigh, two dandersons on the internet :) |
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| 11:47.14 | Zi | having trouble deciding on a name there, jag_haxxan? ;) |
| 11:47.50 | jag_haxxan | Zi, I was just grouping my jag_haxxan with the jaguarandi |
| 11:48.01 | Zi | ah |
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| 11:50.26 | jag_haxxan | wiii it works.. now I can login from both computers and only have 1 account ;) |
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| 11:59.27 | prince1600 | hello everyone |
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| 11:59.44 | Zi | hello |
| 11:59.58 | prince1600 | how are you, Zi |
| 12:00.11 | Zi | good, prince, how are you |
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| 12:00.22 | prince1600 | I am very well, thank you |
| 12:00.50 | tacomablack | hi prince |
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| 12:01.14 | prince1600 | hello tocomablack |
| 12:01.20 | prince1600 | how are you? |
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| 12:01.42 | tacomablack | im good |
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| 12:03.09 | Ivanovic | brlcad: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/game_development%2C |
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| 12:03.29 | Ivanovic | brlcad: you probably want to change the "game_development," tag to "game_development" |
| 12:03.43 | Ivanovic | (as in "remove the , at the end) |
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| 12:05.28 | Zi | there's a game development project for GSoC? :S |
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| 12:05.47 | Ivanovic | Zi: not only one... |
| 12:05.57 | NicDumZ | pygame, thousand parsecs... |
| 12:06.01 | Ivanovic | Zi: this one is just slightly wrong categorized |
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| 12:06.18 | NicDumZ | game dev, or game library dev |
| 12:06.41 | Ivanovic | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/game_development |
| 12:06.49 | Ivanovic | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/game_engine |
| 12:07.05 | Ivanovic | yes, so far not too many are lsited... |
| 12:07.40 | Zi | ah... i know crystal space. it's not really a game engine. |
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| 12:07.50 | Ivanovic | time for breakfast, cu... |
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| 12:08.06 | Zi | oh wait, i've seen all of these, haha. i just forgot |
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| 12:08.12 | prince1600 | breakfast? |
| 12:08.28 | prince1600 | where are you from? |
| 12:08.51 | Zi | probably somewhere in North America. like me. it's time for breakfast here too. |
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| 12:09.06 | prince1600 | it is lunch time in Greece |
| 12:09.32 | prince1600 | 2:10 p.m |
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| 12:13.42 | Zi | holy cow, i've never seen this many people in a channel :| |
| 12:14.02 | phrozn | gsoc win |
| 12:14.27 | impl | Try #ubuntu. |
| 12:14.44 | Zi | dear gawd! |
| 12:14.47 | Zi | :| |
| 12:14.55 | phrozn | try an animia channel |
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| 12:18.00 | brlcad | Ivanovic: ah, thanks -- was in the middle of tagging and noticed that as well |
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| 12:26.39 | Skydome | anyone around? |
| 12:26.51 | rkatiyar | yep |
| 12:27.09 | Skydome | who can i talk to about my project ? |
| 12:27.17 | Skydome | i could use some advice |
| 12:27.40 | katrohit | hang arround in your org's irc channel |
| 12:27.55 | phrozn | connect with the mentor of the project and talk to them |
| 12:27.56 | katrohit | or right to their dev mailing list |
| 12:28.38 | Skydome | alright tnx |
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| 12:45.35 | brlcad | spam file upload? http://google-summer-of-code-discuss.googlegroups.com/web/u_2d_2008-10-10-20-39-37f_opiuytr.jpg?hl=en&gda=qYu1AVcAAAA3eLJsM00unUsb39M7I8eYEaCecdDEj33kcMmponLe1wdjKdGeDYe42Uu7dAZdo-Qr8BgOC-XUfIkJT_oHRW154jX5QZ0vdHnBDt87893RKnleHbr-qQzBoYYWXY0JTQM&gsc=4EH9BwsAAACa2W3Z8Dx0l-2Oy6mZlJns |
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| 12:46.00 | homunq | !orgbylang |
| 12:46.00 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is the 2008 list is at http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language, updated list may be provided later |
| 12:46.09 | homunq | and 2009? |
| 12:46.18 | homunq | Not gonna happen? |
| 12:46.32 | MatthewWilkes | homunq: Not been done yet, feel free to do it yourself and post it |
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| 12:46.48 | MatthewWilkes | It's not something google did, it's a community thing |
| 12:47.04 | jmb | there's http://delicious.com/gsoc2009 |
| 12:47.47 | brlcad | that's not entirely tagged yet as it was just started yesterday, but a few orgs tagged now |
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| 12:50.18 | homunq | !learn orgbylang as 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009 |
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| 12:51.46 | hypa7ia | oh, homunq: i was going to update the 2008 list today |
| 12:52.17 | homunq | hypa7ia: thanks |
| 12:52.35 | homunq | I guess you'll tell socinfo when you do? |
| 12:53.51 | hypa7ia | yup, though it looks like delicious might be a better solution |
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| 12:55.12 | NicDumZ | should be better =) |
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| 13:23.01 | psofa | hello, id like to ask if multiple proposals up your chance of being accepted.I mean does each proposal count as a different person? thus if i apply for two projects i have twice the chance of being accepted? |
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| 13:23.57 | zounds | from a conversation I observed last night it may infact reduce your chances, by and large though I got the impression that it doesn't make much difference |
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| 13:24.08 | MaNI | I doubt it is twice the chance, but it would probably be more of a chance then one, assuming they are well thought out ones and you don't just spam the org. with a bunch of slightly modified ones |
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| 13:24.12 | zounds | each individual application is considered separately |
| 13:24.56 | kblin | psofa: depends.. |
| 13:25.09 | psofa | zounds, so if your proposals are of quality your chances are greater it seems |
| 13:25.17 | kblin | psofa: if you send two proposals to the same org, I doubt they'll rank you with two proposals |
| 13:25.50 | psofa | oh |
| 13:26.11 | kblin | at least I wouldn't |
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| 13:27.02 | marioant | I would say each proposal would be ranked separately |
| 13:27.06 | kblin | if you send two good applications to two different orgs, I guess you will increase your chances |
| 13:27.08 | marioant | what we found impressive last year |
| 13:27.23 | marioant | were people that went away and did some preliminary coding/work |
| 13:27.46 | marioant | having a good interaction with a potential mentor is also going to stand you in good sead |
| 13:27.51 | marioant | stead even |
| 13:27.57 | borja | waves to marioant |
| 13:28.33 | marioant | waves to borja |
| 13:28.42 | marioant | I did some free publicity for you in the iwsgc |
| 13:28.44 | marioant | list |
| 13:28.48 | marioant | cc'ed you in |
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| 13:31.10 | borja | marioant: ? I didn't get anything |
| 13:31.55 | marioant | hmmmm.... |
| 13:33.07 | borja | marioant: maybe you sent it to that.young.whippersnapper@cs.uchicago.edu by mistake? |
| 13:33.41 | borja | marioant: I guess it's not that funny when people are not in on the joke |
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| 13:33.54 | marioant | borja, meant to cc you but I did not |
| 13:34.02 | marioant | I will forward it to you |
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| 13:34.13 | borja | marioant: cool, thanks |
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| 13:34.28 | borja | marioant: I will avoid making the easy joke about old people forgetting to do things |
| 13:34.47 | borja | whuggles marioant |
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| 13:35.29 | marioant | glares at borja |
| 13:35.32 | marioant | sent it to you lad |
| 13:35.39 | marioant | or rather forwarded it to you |
| 13:36.05 | marioant | would have thought ben would have done something but he is probably involved with other things at the moment |
| 13:36.09 | marioant | coughs politely |
| 13:36.29 | borja | heh |
| 13:36.59 | marioant | repeated it on the Globus mud ... |
| 13:37.36 | borja | marioant: I must tend to my morning chores now, but I'll see you on the mud later |
| 13:38.01 | marioant | waves borja goodbye |
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| 13:41.29 | GA_MATT | hello all |
| 13:41.42 | marioant | heloo GA_MATT |
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| 13:41.51 | marioant | heloo->hello |
| 13:41.58 | phrozn | HELO->hello |
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| 13:44.06 | GA_MATT | where can I find the list of accepted organizations? |
| 13:44.18 | kblin | !orgs |
| 13:44.18 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 13:47.05 | GA_MATT | thanks |
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| 13:48.03 | MatthewWilkes | phrozn: EHLO . |
| 13:48.05 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 13:48.32 | GA_MATT | hello |
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| 13:48.58 | phrozn | Matthew: :D |
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| 13:49.43 | MatthewWilkes | phrozn: I've just spent a few hours in sendmail config files, appreciated it :) |
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| 13:55.30 | phrozn | !faq |
| 13:55.30 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 13:55.41 | phrozn | !info |
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| 14:07.00 | DarkUranium | hi |
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| 14:16.27 | k03chandra | today the final organizations list has been released..i'm a student applying for the first time in gsoc |
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| 14:16.53 | k03chandra | i'm good at java |
| 14:17.02 | k03chandra | which mentors should i contact? |
| 14:17.28 | skbohra | you can check out orgs ideas page |
| 14:18.03 | kblin | !orgsbylang |
| 14:18.03 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 14:18.04 | Ivanovic | !orgsbyland |
| 14:18.04 | socinfo | Error: "orgsbyland" is not a valid command. |
| 14:18.05 | kblin | er |
| 14:18.12 | Ivanovic | ups |
| 14:18.26 | kblin | !orgbylang |
| 14:18.26 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is (#1) the 2008 list is at http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language, updated list may be provided later, or (#2) 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009, or (#3) 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 14:18.27 | Ivanovic | !orgbylang |
| 14:18.28 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is (#1) the 2008 list is at http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language, updated list may be provided later, or (#2) 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009, or (#3) 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 14:18.29 | skbohra | cool |
| 14:18.41 | kblin | hmm |
| 14:18.43 | kblin | hang on |
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| 14:18.51 | kblin | !forget orgbylang 1 |
| 14:18.51 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 14:18.51 | Ivanovic | kblin: we should improve our scheduling |
| 14:18.52 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:19.03 | homunq | !orgbylang |
| 14:19.03 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is (#1) 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009, or (#2) 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 14:19.15 | homunq | !forget orgbylang 1 |
| 14:19.15 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 14:19.26 | homunq | !orgbylang |
| 14:19.26 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 14:19.37 | kblin | !forget orgsbylang |
| 14:19.37 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:20.05 | kblin | !learn orgsbylang The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 14:20.06 | socinfo | (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 14:20.13 | kblin | !learn orgsbylang as The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 14:20.13 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 14:20.20 | kblin | there |
| 14:20.25 | kblin | goes back to work |
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| 14:29.21 | beket | Hi people. Can a student start writing code before soc starts officially && present the results of his/her work as part of the soc project ? Or would that be considered as cheating ? |
| 14:29.32 | beket | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#apply_early doesn't say anything on this one |
| 14:29.51 | amit8-88 | !ideas |
| 14:29.51 | socinfo | Error: "ideas" is not a valid command. |
| 14:30.01 | amit8-88 | !list |
| 14:30.01 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 14:30.06 | mib_36ibe9 | can we apply to more than one mentoring organisations |
| 14:30.10 | skbohra | cheating? |
| 14:30.19 | skbohra | yes |
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| 14:30.32 | amit8-88 | skbohra: this is not cheating :) |
| 14:30.34 | beket | mib_36ibe9, yes, up to 20 applications / student |
| 14:30.48 | skbohra | to beket |
| 14:30.54 | smtms | mib_36ibe9, of course |
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| 14:31.29 | beket | skbohra, do you have any link on that ? |
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| 14:32.41 | skbohra | beket: this is how open source works :) lh can answer this better |
| 14:32.45 | skbohra | :) |
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| 14:33.17 | beket | Sure, np, I'll poke him when he shows up :) |
| 14:33.26 | skbohra | oops |
| 14:33.39 | skbohra | lh is leslie :) |
| 14:33.41 | haoyu | beket, for your coding early, I think you can |
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| 14:33.58 | haoyu | beket, at least I did so last year and everything is fine |
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| 14:34.09 | mib_6iobjpfi | i have doubt,plz help |
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| 14:34.19 | mib_6iobjpfi | wht kind of app shud i make |
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| 14:35.03 | mib_6iobjpfi | need help plz |
| 14:35.14 | beket | Let me be a bit more coincise. A feature X needs 4 weeks to be implemented and I state it in my application. In the meantime, I do some preliminar work before soc starts, so that during soc it will only need 2 weeks to complete. Is this ok ? |
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| 14:35.50 | haoyu | beket, I think it is ok |
| 14:36.05 | FallenDevil | beket: sure :-) |
| 14:36.08 | smtms | my understanding is that this is OK, but the only 2 weeks of the work will be part of work done during GSoC |
| 14:36.18 | alh | everyone is encouraged to start getting involved with open source early src: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRRR0BQyz0 (towards the end of the video). |
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| 14:36.36 | mib_6iobjpfi | ne1 |
| 14:36.40 | alh | whether this means coding is unclear. |
| 14:36.52 | haoyu | smtms, it isn't so strict, is it? |
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| 14:37.07 | mib_6iobjpfi | wht kind of app do i need to make....related t2 proj? |
| 14:37.16 | alh | i wouldn't worry about it, just start coding. |
| 14:37.47 | smtms | mib_6iobjpfi, what's your question? |
| 14:37.52 | mib_6iobjpfi | but i dont have an idea of wht 2 code |
| 14:38.08 | mib_6iobjpfi | smthin related 2 proj or nethin i want |
| 14:38.28 | danderson | sorry, but you are incomprehensible. |
| 14:38.31 | smtms | mib_6iobjpfi, look at the list of mentoring organisations and their lists of suggested ideas |
| 14:38.39 | mib_6iobjpfi | srry 4 my bad eng |
| 14:38.45 | mib_6iobjpfi | thnx |
| 14:38.50 | mib_6iobjpfi | i'll c tht |
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| 14:39.10 | beket | Do we know at this point how many slots are assigned to each one of the accepted orgs ? |
| 14:39.15 | danderson | no. |
| 14:39.16 | skbohra | hey googling 'leslie google' gives a very interesting link :) |
| 14:39.21 | beket | ok, thanks danderson |
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| 14:39.22 | danderson | That happens later, after students have applied |
| 14:39.27 | skbohra | sorry lh ;) |
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| 14:42.09 | disismt | skbohra: Is it the same Leslie? |
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| 14:43.07 | skbohra | disismt: i dont think so, but its interesting |
| 14:43.19 | skbohra | lh can answer better |
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| 14:43.39 | disismt | skbohra: I think its the same :D |
| 14:44.56 | skbohra | wants to move off the topic, cause lh will kill him |
| 14:45.47 | disismt | haha |
| 14:46.07 | smtms | beket, there's information on how slots are allotted somewhere, in the FAQ maybe |
| 14:46.25 | disismt | so cool though |
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| 14:50.20 | skbohra | disismt: she is not our leslie http://oughttobeworking.blogspot.com/ i found snaps here |
| 14:50.23 | skbohra | :) |
| 14:50.44 | skbohra | running away |
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| 14:52.47 | mib_6iobjpfi | still cant get a clear idea of wht to do |
| 14:53.52 | mib_6iobjpfi | do we hav to make application regarding the projects of the mentoring orgs. (tht we have to submit for applying) |
| 14:54.23 | mib_6iobjpfi | in short i wht i have to make in order to apply |
| 14:54.51 | Raim | mib_6iobjpfi: get in contact with organizations, discuss their ideas, then write a proposal |
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| 14:55.03 | cwant | I have a mentor request, but don't recognise the "link id" -- does anybody know how to see the person's profile? |
| 14:55.19 | mib_6iobjpfi | thnx :) |
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| 14:55.26 | mib_6iobjpfi | gtg |
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| 14:55.51 | kblin | cwant: ask on #melange, I guess |
| 14:55.58 | Ivanovic | cwant: good question... |
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| 14:56.46 | cwant | kblin, Ivanovic: thanks, asking in #melange |
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| 15:02.38 | summatusmentis | hello all |
| 15:02.48 | Catfish_Man | hey summatusmentis |
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| 15:03.01 | summatusmentis | howsit Catfish_Man? did Adium apply? |
| 15:03.15 | Catfish_Man | it goes well (finally getting over being sick), and we didn't |
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| 15:03.43 | summatusmentis | being sick bites |
| 15:03.49 | summatusmentis | and that's a shame |
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| 15:04.00 | raRaRa | Hello. |
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| 15:04.08 | Catfish_Man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.10 | Catfish_Man | er |
| 15:04.11 | Catfish_Man | dangit |
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| 15:04.16 | Catfish_Man | *through tuesday |
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| 15:04.21 | summatusmentis | ugh |
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| 15:05.51 | prince1600 | hi |
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| 15:06.36 | Ivanovic | prince1600: since you asked where i am from: germany |
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| 15:06.45 | Ivanovic | and yeah, 1pm is the *perfect* time for breakfast |
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| 15:07.13 | Ivanovic | at least if you do stuff till 4am (nice not to have lectures atm...) |
| 15:07.16 | prince1600 | for you |
| 15:07.30 | Catfish_Man | yeah, 1PM breakfast is awesome. You can just pretend it's lunch and have lunch food |
| 15:07.36 | Catfish_Man | then have dinner twice, one of which is at 2AM |
| 15:07.36 | prince1600 | because for me it is at 8 am |
| 15:07.48 | Ivanovic | and personally i tend to call the first meal of the day (day starts after "some sleep") breakfast |
| 15:07.59 | Ivanovic | no matter if this is at 8am local time or 6pm local time |
| 15:08.15 | prince1600 | you can have "brunch" |
| 15:08.26 | prince1600 | = breakfast and lunch |
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| 15:08.34 | Ivanovic | but this would force me to skip one of the two |
| 15:08.41 | Ivanovic | so what shall i call the meal at 2am? |
| 15:08.43 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:08.55 | prince1600 | hahahahah |
| 15:09.13 | Catfish_Man | second dinner |
| 15:09.21 | prince1600 | one should mind about his diet |
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| 15:09.59 | Ivanovic | always thought "late dinner" was common in southern european areas... |
| 15:10.06 | Ivanovic | this is just a "late dinner"... |
| 15:10.08 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:10.43 | prince1600 | Diogenis once was asked by Athenians |
| 15:10.50 | prince1600 | when one should eat |
| 15:11.06 | prince1600 | He answered : the rich whenever they wish, |
| 15:11.09 | Ivanovic | would answer: when you feel hungry |
| 15:11.19 | prince1600 | the poor when they have something to eat! |
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| 15:13.14 | Catfish_Man | speaking of breakfast... I'm off to have some |
| 15:13.19 | Ivanovic | :) |
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| 15:14.00 | prince1600 | it is time for me to have some rest |
| 15:14.22 | Ivanovic | no time for rest on my end, got to prepare for an exam next wednesday... |
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| 15:14.26 | prince1600 | good bye everyone |
| 15:14.30 | Ivanovic | cu |
| 15:14.42 | prince1600 | are you a student? |
| 15:14.58 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 15:15.10 | prince1600 | what are you studying? |
| 15:15.17 | Ivanovic | (and org admin for wesnoth, so participating on "this side" of soc) |
| 15:15.20 | Ivanovic | computer science |
| 15:15.37 | prince1600 | I have been a teacher of English |
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| 15:23.17 | kangaroo | Is there a particular reason an organization would appear in the list of accepted organizations, but not appear in the list of orgs in "Apply to become a mentor"? |
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| 15:24.37 | summatusmentis | kangaroo: I have no idea, #melange might know |
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| 15:27.40 | jphr | so, has anyone else been almost completely unable to use the new GSOC site? |
| 15:28.14 | durin42 | jphr: to #melange please |
| 15:28.28 | Zi | yeah. i almost typed the address wrong. close call, but now i'm using it. |
| 15:28.35 | jphr | durin42: thanks |
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| 15:32.18 | homunq | lh: can I ask you some more-specific questions about when I'd have to decide (have decided)? between being admin/mentor for Sugarlabs or student for apertium? |
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| 15:34.21 | Ivanovic | homunq: short guess: there might be a check when trying to submit an application to an org as mentor/student if you are already enrolled as "the other" at some org |
| 15:35.04 | Ivanovic | though in fact you *could* create two google code accounts, one you use to apply as mentor to sugarlabs and one you use to submit your project proposal |
| 15:35.05 | kblin | Ivanovic: there's this "resign" feature |
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| 15:35.31 | Ivanovic | *but* you will of course have to remove yourself from the "other" list(s) when you decided what it shall be... |
| 15:35.54 | easwar | !next |
| 15:35.55 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 15:40.56 | Zi | so who evaluates the student applications? google, or the orgs, or both? |
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| 15:41.17 | easwar | Zi, the orgs AFAIK |
| 15:41.21 | NicDumZ | the orgs sort their applications |
| 15:41.30 | NicDumZ | according to their criteria |
| 15:41.35 | NicDumZ | -ion |
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| 15:41.52 | NicDumZ | and submit the sorted list to Google. |
| 15:42.01 | FallenDevil | I hope student application deadline will not be moved this year |
| 15:42.21 | Zi | but they have to follow Google's allocation rules right |
| 15:42.33 | Zi | FallenDevil, they were moved last year? =\ |
| 15:42.36 | NicDumZ | Google then gives number of accepted students for each org, as far as I remember |
| 15:42.48 | NicDumZ | yes... postponed, one week, for late students :( |
| 15:42.58 | Zi | why is that a bad thing |
| 15:43.02 | NicDumZ | that's sort of bad habit. Late students.. are late. |
| 15:43.06 | FallenDevil | Zi: yep. Application deadline was delayed for 1 week :-) |
| 15:43.23 | Zi | oh right i get it |
| 15:43.31 | Zi | it's bad because it's unfair for other students |
| 15:43.34 | FallenDevil | NicDumZ: nope, there was a reason, not for late students. Really |
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| 15:43.42 | NicDumZ | yeah? |
| 15:43.46 | NicDumZ | can't remember that one then |
| 15:43.47 | Zi | o |
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| 15:44.53 | FallenDevil | NicDumZ: give me 2 seconds |
| 15:44.57 | NicDumZ | :) |
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| 15:46.03 | FallenDevil | i just need to find a message in announce ml |
| 15:46.22 | NicDumZ | same, I can't find it anymore :s |
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| 15:46.53 | FallenDevil | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/browse_thread/thread/9fa88f31aa401f70# |
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| 15:48.42 | twcook | Since OSHIP (tcrc) wasn't selected, I am available to mentor on any healthcare related apps that are interested in interoperability |
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| 15:52.39 | punchagan | !orgbylang |
| 15:52.39 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 15:56.48 | FallenDevil | punchagan: thanks! |
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| 16:01.45 | itamarjp | how much time I will have to finish the project ? |
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| 16:02.33 | NicDumZ | !timeline | itamarjp |
| 16:02.34 | socinfo | Error: "timeline" is not a valid command. |
| 16:02.34 | homunq | doesn't use delicious, but would like to see sugarlabs: python c c++ javascript php to orgbylang |
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| 16:02.39 | NicDumZ | damn. |
| 16:02.40 | homunq | !timeline |
| 16:02.40 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 16:02.50 | Lorenzu | any one from sahana |
| 16:02.57 | Zi | itamarjp, from may to august... like 3 months |
| 16:03.06 | easwar | Lorenzu, ajuonline |
| 16:03.10 | Zi | but you can start early if you want |
| 16:03.14 | propernick | !next |
| 16:03.14 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 16:03.17 | scorche|sh | !anyone |
| 16:03.17 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 16:03.21 | ajuonline | hi Lorenzu, whats up ? |
| 16:03.25 | scorche|sh | Lorenzu: ^^ |
| 16:03.40 | ajuonline | Lorenzu: #sahana |
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| 16:04.45 | Lorenzu | hi |
| 16:04.48 | Lorenzu | tks |
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| 16:12.20 | Lorenzu | ubuntu ideas ? |
| 16:12.50 | easwar | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2009/Ideas |
| 16:12.54 | easwar | Lorenzu, ^^ |
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| 16:14.59 | Lorenzu | i did visit the web site ... i found out about the grub front end ... i need to get mode involved ... |
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| 16:17.27 | JefferyM | heh, nice noobbot |
| 16:18.14 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 16:19.37 | Lorenzu | Any one from ubuntu ? |
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| 16:20.26 | itamarjp | Lorenzu: only a fedora guy and some bot's |
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| 16:20.49 | itamarjp | :-D |
| 16:21.24 | Lorenzu | i dont mind ... |
| 16:21.58 | Lorenzu | just i saw an interesting idea ... on developing a front end to config grub ... |
| 16:22.33 | itamarjp | there are some project who do this |
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| 16:22.58 | Lorenzu | is that so ...bt i couldn't find any // |
| 16:23.08 | itamarjp | hold. |
| 16:23.20 | Lorenzu | sure ... |
| 16:24.40 | mefistofeles | startupmanager |
| 16:24.43 | mefistofeles | is one |
| 16:24.49 | ultrasonic | itamarjp, kgrubeditor is one such app |
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| 16:25.08 | Lorenzu | are they in gsoc |
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| 16:28.49 | itamarjp | ultrasonic: I have see a complete list yesterday, but I don't remember where, probably in opensuse or mandrive whishlist |
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| 16:35.05 | devvrat | Drupal best application for 2006 : http://drupal.org/files/application.pdf |
| 16:35.21 | devvrat | anybody applying for drupal |
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| 16:35.54 | marioant | how did he do? |
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| 16:36.03 | marioant | and did he stay on after the project finished? |
| 16:36.03 | ajay | Hi to all....i'm new in GSoC, i want to be a part of it. can someone help me? |
| 16:36.05 | marioant | just curious ... |
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| 16:36.36 | ajuonline | ajay: read faq |
| 16:36.38 | ajuonline | !faq |
| 16:36.38 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 16:36.56 | webchick | lh, ping? |
| 16:37.06 | ajuonline | ajay: and if you are from india, join ##gsoc-india |
| 16:37.12 | ajuonline | devvrat: ^ |
| 16:37.19 | ajuonline | ^5's webchick |
| 16:37.22 | ajuonline | hail!!! |
| 16:37.25 | webchick | heya, ajuonline ! :) |
| 16:37.36 | ajuonline | webchick: how are you doing today? |
| 16:37.53 | webchick | I'm pretty good! Kinda tired, but otherwise. :) You? |
| 16:38.08 | devvrat | ajuonline: are you mentoring sahana this year |
| 16:38.10 | kranthili2020 | Hi all, I am interested in taking this project "http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/gsoc2009/Media_Cloud" ... can some one please tell if it is present in the list of accepted projects or not... |
| 16:38.14 | ajuonline | webchick: same here, tired like hell :) |
| 16:38.16 | ajay | ajuonline, thank u man, whr r u from? |
| 16:38.18 | ajuonline | devvrat: no. |
| 16:38.40 | ajuonline | kranthili2020: you best bet would be to check if its in the list of selected organisations |
| 16:38.41 | devvrat | ajuonline: so are you applying somewhere |
| 16:38.44 | ajuonline | !next |
| 16:38.44 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 16:38.52 | ajuonline | kranthili2020: ^ |
| 16:39.01 | ajuonline | devvrat: yes, sahana :) |
| 16:39.40 | devvrat | ajuonline: that really good |
| 16:39.50 | devvrat | that's |
| 16:39.54 | ajuonline | :) |
| 16:40.00 | devvrat | i am really bad at typing |
| 16:40.02 | kranthili2020 | ajuonline ...thnx a lot |
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| 16:40.36 | ajuonline | puts cold water on easwar to keep him awake |
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| 16:40.56 | easwar | ajuonline, I wasn't sleeping |
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| 16:41.10 | kranthili2020 | is any one planning to work on projects from Wordpress ? |
| 16:41.39 | ajuonline | devvrat: you should apply as well :) |
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| 16:42.25 | devvrat | I will be applying for it |
| 16:43.30 | kranthili2020 | any one applying for wordpress projects ? |
| 16:43.36 | freak_vishal | !faq |
| 16:43.36 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 16:57.23 | zooko | #p |
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| 16:58.14 | Lennie | Hi |
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| 16:59.56 | amit8-88 | hey Lennie :) |
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| 17:02.11 | ajuonline | ^5's Lennie |
| 17:02.18 | Lennie | hi ajuonline :) |
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| 17:03.46 | schumaml | all I do see in a mentor request is the mentor's link id? |
| 17:04.04 | Lennie | schumaml, has been fixed. New version also shows their public name |
| 17:04.06 | jefferai | schumaml: yeah, same problem here |
| 17:04.21 | jefferai | Lennie: is there some not-normal link to the new version? |
| 17:04.22 | schumaml | ah, ok |
| 17:04.29 | jefferai | because I just signed in and still see only their link id |
| 17:04.31 | Lennie | nope that version has not been deployed to socghop |
| 17:04.49 | Lennie | where would you see their link id when not signed in? |
| 17:05.02 | schumaml | the people who did create Melange did not have problems with spam mentors in the last years, I assume :) |
| 17:05.25 | jefferai | ? Don't understand the question. Why would I see their link id when not signed in? I can't look at requests and invites when not signed in... |
| 17:05.32 | ajuonline | Lennie: how are you doing today? |
| 17:05.45 | jefferai | also wishes there was a way to check multiple names and accept/reject at once |
| 17:06.06 | Lennie | jefferai, I asked that because you said you just signed in and still see only link id :) |
| 17:06.16 | jefferai | no, I mean, I just signed into the app |
| 17:06.17 | Lennie | blame the language barrier :) |
| 17:06.30 | Lennie | ajuonline, fine just came home from uni |
| 17:06.32 | jefferai | and currenlty I see only a link id, even though you said the new version fixed it, hence "still" :-) |
| 17:06.33 | Zounds | !timeline |
| 17:06.33 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:06.44 | jefferai | do you have a link to the new version, or is it not available yet? |
| 17:06.47 | Lennie | jefferai, yeah I understand now |
| 17:06.50 | Lennie | nope that version has not been deployed to socghop |
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| 17:06.55 | Lennie | yet |
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| 17:07.07 | jefferai | right, but in the past I saw some URLs to what seemed like snapshotted versions |
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| 17:07.19 | Lennie | yeah |
| 17:07.28 | Lennie | most of the accept mails from yesterday have them |
| 17:07.37 | jefferai | right |
| 17:07.48 | Lennie | but that version does not include that fix |
| 17:07.48 | neo7 | where can I get the list of selected orgs |
| 17:07.54 | Lennie | since I just fixed the link id only thing this morning |
| 17:07.55 | neo7 | Mentoring org |
| 17:07.59 | Lennie | because someone made an issue about it |
| 17:08.00 | jefferai | ah, okay |
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| 17:08.04 | jefferai | thanks :-) |
| 17:08.09 | Lennie | np |
| 17:08.20 | Lennie | transistion year, much still to improve |
| 17:08.23 | rohananil | neo7: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 17:08.36 | jefferai | as a workaround, is there a way to see a person's public name if you know their link id? Like, a profile page or something? |
| 17:08.50 | Lennie | hmm |
| 17:09.23 | neo7 | rohananil: thanks |
| 17:09.23 | Lennie | lemme check if you can access that jefferai |
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| 17:09.28 | jefferai | cool, thanks |
| 17:09.44 | Shamal_Roy | Can you say me when have to send the applications to the mentors with their template? |
| 17:10.25 | Lennie | !timeline |
| 17:10.26 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:10.29 | Lennie | should be in there |
| 17:10.37 | Lennie | jefferai what is the link id |
| 17:10.37 | Lennie | ? |
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| 17:11.22 | jefferai | well, there are many |
| 17:11.23 | jefferai | for instance |
| 17:11.25 | jefferai | coffee |
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| 17:12.20 | Lennie | try http://socghop.appspot.com/user/show/coffee |
| 17:12.35 | ajuonline | Lennie: what coursE? |
| 17:12.44 | Lennie | we didn't explicitly add links to it since it is not much of a profile :D |
| 17:12.48 | jefferai | Lennie: yep, it works. |
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| 17:12.57 | jefferai | Now I just have to hit coffee on the head for putting "Coffee" as his public name |
| 17:13.01 | jefferai | whoever he is |
| 17:13.01 | Lennie | hehe :) |
| 17:13.02 | jefferai | heh |
| 17:13.11 | Lennie | ajuonline, computer science |
| 17:13.23 | Lennie | ajuonline: Had Software Quality and Engineering course today |
| 17:13.39 | Lennie | ajuonline: And I am a teaching assistant for the Algorithms course |
| 17:13.40 | ajuonline | of course :) |
| 17:13.56 | rohananil | i find software engineering classes really boring :) , too many diagrams :P |
| 17:13.57 | ajuonline | damn i need coffee, i am sneezing |
| 17:14.07 | Lennie | rohananil, not this course :D |
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| 17:14.25 | Lennie | rohananil, the teacher uses twitter and we had cool guest lectures |
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| 17:15.04 | rohananil | Lennie: where ? |
| 17:15.18 | Lennie | SRabbelier, you have the link on hand :D? |
| 17:15.34 | SRabbelier | Lennie: for what? |
| 17:15.53 | SRabbelier | oh, twitter |
| 17:15.59 | Lennie | http://twitter.com/delftswtesting |
| 17:16.02 | Lennie | found it nm :) |
| 17:16.04 | Lennie | thanks SRabbelier |
| 17:16.07 | SRabbelier | http://twitter.com/delftswtesting |
| 17:16.11 | SRabbelier | mutters |
| 17:16.11 | Lennie | found it through your profile :P |
| 17:16.14 | SRabbelier | got Ninja-ed again |
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| 17:17.51 | kranthili2020 | Hi , i am new to GSOC and have observed Some organisations have still not created their profile ... Will they be doing so in near time ?? |
| 17:18.07 | Lennie | they should |
| 17:18.35 | SRabbelier | kranthili2020: that's beyond our control I'm afraid |
| 17:18.42 | ajuonline | kranthili2020: for now you can check out http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009?limit_0=100&limit_1=100 |
| 17:19.14 | Lennie | the first list will hopefully dissapear soon |
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| 17:19.24 | Lennie | meaning that all accepted orgs have created their profile :) |
| 17:19.37 | devvrat | another application,might be of some help : http://techfreaks4u.com/ShashankSingh/Google_SoC_Panoramio_Wikipedia_integration_in_Marble_ACCEPTED.pdf |
| 17:19.45 | ajuonline | ah, this is a kool system, but you know, last year it seemed simpler :P |
| 17:19.49 | ajuonline | Lennie: ^ |
| 17:19.56 | kranthili2020 | I am really interested in taking up Media Cloud under Berkam Center at Harvard University.. but they still haven't created any...so a little confused |
| 17:20.02 | Lennie | ajuonline, yeah but it was probably more painfull for lh :D |
| 17:20.21 | ajuonline | Lennie: /me talking from users PoV, of course :) |
| 17:20.23 | Lennie | kranthili2020, they should have received an email, if you know where to find them you can contact them yourself |
| 17:20.32 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: Watch and learn… |
| 17:20.35 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: Patches welcome! |
| 17:20.40 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 17:20.44 | Lennie | hehe |
| 17:20.50 | Lennie | I dont mind criticism :) |
| 17:20.51 | kranthili2020 | Lennie: no mailing list as |
| 17:21.18 | Lennie | http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/getinvolved#mailinglists |
| 17:21.18 | Lennie | ? |
| 17:22.26 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: :P |
| 17:22.39 | kranthili2020 | Lennie: But no mention of any mailing list has been provided to contact them... I have subscribed to that ... it was asking jus my mail id ... and no response till now |
| 17:22.48 | Lennie | hmm |
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| 17:22.52 | Lennie | I can dig up their public mail address |
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| 17:23.40 | kranthili2020 | Lennie: I would be really thank full to u ... if u can provide me their public mail address.. |
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| 17:24.34 | Lennie | they filled it in as public address to be used by students |
| 17:24.38 | Lennie | so I dont see no harm to give it :) |
| 17:24.43 | Lennie | berkmancenterharvard@gmail.com |
| 17:25.14 | kranthili2020 | Lennie: thank u |
| 17:25.17 | Lennie | yw |
| 17:25.22 | Lennie | have a good gsoc2009 kranthili2020 :) |
| 17:25.46 | kranthili2020 | Lennie: :) |
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| 17:30.40 | homunq | lh, that media thing, Mass High Tech, is that print/video/radio? |
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| 17:31.01 | kranthili2020 | homunq: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/gsoc2009/Media_Cloud |
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| 17:31.51 | homunq | kranthili2020: talking about a different thing, thanks. |
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| 17:36.34 | kranthili2020 | homunq: :) |
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| 17:49.50 | ajuonline | what kind of idiots! |
| 17:49.51 | ajuonline | 12:30 * kitallis says "join #gsoc-in and you get accepted in GSOC" |
| 17:50.26 | ajuonline | kitallis: so who is offering a guaranteed way to getinto gsoc by going to that channel? |
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| 17:52.37 | brlcad | ~seen pawel |
| 17:52.41 | ibot | pawel <i=t0tal@ep09.pld-linux.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 134d 5h 44m 15s ago, saying: 'wethrin: =)'. |
| 17:54.29 | atulagrwl | ~seen sylar |
| 17:54.30 | ibot | sylar <n=sylar@bzq-79-179-127-8.red.bezeqint.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 17h 38m 7s ago, saying: 'init-premount pause my boot on outdated partition name. What should I RTFM?'. |
| 17:55.10 | ajuonline | :O Sylar??? |
| 17:55.14 | ajuonline | Lennie|Food: ^ |
| 17:55.25 | ajuonline | hides |
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| 18:01.20 | kblin | hi dhaun, I realized I missed your gsoc talk in stuttgart some days ago |
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| 18:01.48 | dhaun | hey kblin |
| 18:01.53 | dhaun | too bad ... |
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| 18:03.30 | kblin | dhaun: oh well. what did you talk about exactly? |
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| 18:04.27 | Guest37629 | allserv nick mikeb |
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| 18:04.51 | dhaun | kblin: just introducing the program - what it is, how it works and such |
| 18:05.11 | kblin | then I didn't miss too much, I guess. :) |
| 18:05.16 | kblin | did it go well? :) |
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| 18:05.44 | dhaun | certainly nothing new for an old-timer, but you could have shared a few stories ;-) |
| 18:06.24 | dhaun | the audience seems to have liked it - not too many students, though |
| 18:07.13 | Sunny | !next |
| 18:07.14 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 18:13.00 | brlcad | kblin: you happen to know pawel's irc nick? |
| 18:13.42 | brlcad | (or anyone else for that matter) |
| 18:14.44 | durin42 | brlcad: pawel's nick starts with soly |
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| 18:14.54 | durin42 | I always get a tab complete from that when he's logged in |
| 18:15.10 | durin42 | SRabbelier and Lennie|Food are also melange guys |
| 18:15.13 | brlcad | ~seen solyga |
| 18:15.15 | ibot | brlcad: i haven't seen 'solyga' |
| 18:15.30 | durin42 | it's not solyga |
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| 18:15.31 | scorche | solydzajs |
| 18:15.32 | brlcad | durin42: ok, thanks |
| 18:15.37 | brlcad | thanks scorche |
| 18:15.38 | durin42 | scorche: speaks truth |
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| 18:15.46 | brlcad | (it's not for melange, for a previous student) |
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| 18:16.08 | lus | plz give the link for the mentors of 2009 |
| 18:16.16 | SRabbelier | durin42: o hi? |
| 18:16.17 | brlcad | lus: seriously? |
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| 18:16.44 | brlcad | lus: you can find that on the soc website pretty easily.. did you try? |
| 18:16.45 | lus | brlcad, the link of the mentor's page |
| 18:16.58 | lus | brlcad, what is the site |
| 18:16.58 | kitallis | lus: you're late, now you're gonna die |
| 18:17.04 | scorche | what mentors page? |
| 18:17.05 | brlcad | lus: dear god |
| 18:17.21 | lus | brlcad, just to see something |
| 18:17.31 | durin42 | SRabbelier: not a ping |
| 18:17.31 | brlcad | lus: asking others to do work for you that you can *easily* do is generally considered insulting in open source |
| 18:17.35 | SRabbelier | lus: do some research yourself |
| 18:17.44 | kitallis | next! |
| 18:17.46 | SRabbelier | !read |
| 18:17.47 | socinfo | "read" is Please read the FAQ and documentation (including the information provided to you on the relevant pages) before asking a question. |
| 18:17.48 | kitallis | !next |
| 18:17.48 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 18:17.55 | russellb | ironically, the same company sponsoring this program has an excellent search engine |
| 18:17.59 | lus | ol |
| 18:18.01 | lus | ok |
| 18:18.03 | SRabbelier | indeed |
| 18:18.24 | brlcad | kitallis: giving the answer won't teach them |
| 18:18.40 | kitallis | brlcad: ok |
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| 18:19.36 | brlcad | if they have to be hand-held to find a very visible webpage, they're not likely going to be a successful student -- the mentoring starts right away |
| 18:21.33 | SRabbelier | brlcad: I'm starting to think danderson's idea of banning all students that ask a FAQ for a year might actually be not such a bad idea after all :P |
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| 18:22.48 | newt | if i'm not mistaken, there is a FAQ on the site.. |
| 18:22.53 | brlcad | SRabbelier: that's about as effective as hitting people with a hammer, all they're learn is to avoid the place/person that beat them with a hammer, not what they need to do differently |
| 18:23.14 | SRabbelier | brlcad: I wasn't being serious of course, and I don't think danderson was either :P |
| 18:23.28 | brlcad | heh, I know |
| 18:23.56 | Zi | where's the link to the faq? |
| 18:23.58 | Zi | lol i joke |
| 18:24.02 | kitallis | hehe |
| 18:24.11 | Catfish_Man | how do I join #gsoc? |
| 18:24.11 | brlcad | some people mean it, though -- and they're not the people that should be answering the people that ask the FAQ/newbie questions :) |
| 18:24.32 | kitallis | Catfish_Man, lol what name |
| 18:24.36 | brlcad | Catfish_Man: you type "/server connect #gsoc" |
| 18:24.54 | SRabbelier | brlcad: true |
| 18:25.09 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: I think it was "/quit #gsoc" last time I checked ;);) |
| 18:25.21 | brlcad | even well intentioned helpers get tired and burn out (and should stop answering questions for a while) |
| 18:25.33 | brlcad | share the "love" |
| 18:25.34 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: see, that's the response I was waiting for ;) |
| 18:25.39 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: ;) |
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| 18:26.03 | kblin | brlcad: reminds me of a question I asked on #openbsd once, about disk slices |
| 18:26.15 | kblin | brlcad: the answer was a very polite kickban |
| 18:26.20 | SRabbelier | brlcad: very true, I should probably train myself to just hit 'discard' when I'm about to hit harshly too a issue tracker issue that's annoying me |
| 18:26.28 | SRabbelier | kblin: Lol, nice |
| 18:26.29 | brlcad | likes /server more .. subtlely kicks them off the network :) |
| 18:26.46 | SRabbelier | brlcad: heheh, :P |
| 18:26.52 | Catfish_Man | brlcad: ooh, that is good. I didn't even notice it was malicious |
| 18:26.57 | Catfish_Man | (I never use /server) |
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| 18:27.29 | kblin | SRabbelier: which taught me not to install openbsd |
| 18:27.30 | brlcad | kblin: hah, really. that's not very effective imho :) |
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| 18:27.55 | SRabbelier | kblin: agreed |
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| 18:28.24 | Zi|Brekkie | when the the bot going to stop telling me it's never seen me around here before? |
| 18:28.25 | Zi|Brekkie | =\ |
| 18:28.41 | brlcad | i've certainly thought about it when professionals that paid autodesk 5k-50k for a seat to autodesk come into #brlcad asking for autocad support... |
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| 18:28.56 | brlcad | instead usually just tell them that I'll answer their questions when they send me that same amount |
| 18:29.16 | brlcad | s/seat to autodesk/seat to autocad/ |
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| 18:29.58 | durin42 | Zi: did you log in with a different name? |
| 18:30.04 | Zi | nope |
| 18:30.12 | Zi | well... actually i don't know |
| 18:30.13 | durin42 | Zi: it should be storing your username and once it's seen each username join once it'll not talk to you again |
| 18:30.23 | SRabbelier | ~seen Zi |
| 18:30.24 | ibot | zi is currently on #gsoc. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 12s, last said: 'well... actually i don't know'. |
| 18:30.36 | Zi | omg tmi... tmi... |
| 18:30.39 | SRabbelier | Zi: or isn't it ibot? |
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| 18:30.41 | Zi | what is this, england? |
| 18:30.46 | Zi | lol |
| 18:30.46 | SRabbelier | lol :D |
| 18:30.51 | SRabbelier | we're watching you man |
| 18:30.58 | SRabbelier | errr, I mean, we're not! |
| 18:31.06 | SRabbelier | there's no big eye in the sky |
| 18:31.08 | durin42 | Zi: also, IRC has a /away, you can use that instead of changing your nick |
| 18:31.08 | SRabbelier | I swear! :P |
| 18:31.21 | Zi | durin42, ah okay |
| 18:31.25 | brlcad | and logging everything you say, it's already indexed by google and being downloaded by agents at gov't offices |
| 18:31.29 | durin42 | http://web.archive.org/web/20070729012440/y99k.com/irc-away-nicks.txt |
| 18:31.45 | durin42 | looks like I need to download that file, since he's no longer hosting it |
| 18:31.48 | Zi | it's funny i've been using irc for 7 years and still don't know that. |
| 18:31.56 | Zi | heh |
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| 18:38.36 | PulpFictionPB | basically, what is the first thing an organization wants in an application? The reason why 'i' should be choosen for a project? or something else? |
| 18:38.45 | PulpFictionPB | i mean the primary thign. |
| 18:39.10 | scorche | PulpFictionPB: that depends on the org |
| 18:39.21 | scorche | read this if you havent yet though: |
| 18:39.24 | scorche | !advice |
| 18:39.24 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 18:39.35 | PulpFictionPB | yes already done. but i was looking for application centric advice, which is less. |
| 18:40.12 | PulpFictionPB | another thing, sorry if it is lame. it is upto the mentoring organization totally to accept applications? |
| 18:40.13 | Zi | PulpFictionPB, some orgs want you to follow a template, some don't. |
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| 18:40.15 | PulpFictionPB | google has no hand in this? |
| 18:40.24 | Corsix | PulpFictionPB: Many projects have a page of their own with application details and advice |
| 18:40.59 | Corsix | like http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/StudentApplicationTemplate and http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Development:_SoC_Guidelines |
| 18:41.01 | PulpFictionPB | i m aware of the templates, however some organizations dont provide any. my question was for those. |
| 18:41.06 | Zi | my advice: get involved with your organization, make a proposal, and they'll help you on your application. |
| 18:41.21 | eliel | Hello, I would like to apply as a student, what information apart from what the org is asking, will be needed... I need something about my university telling that I am still a student? |
| 18:41.45 | PulpFictionPB | eliel: they mite ask u for some proof that u r enrolled with ur college, its given in the FAQ |
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| 18:42.24 | Zi | PulpFictionPB, it is up to the org to accept you. it is up to google to impose a student limit on the organization. |
| 18:42.24 | jmb | google will ask you to provide proof of enrolment |
| 18:42.26 | eliel | I will need to scan the paper given by my university? |
| 18:42.36 | Schrockwell | eliel: "You should be prepared, upon request, to provide Google with transcripts or other documentation from your accredited institution as proof of enrollment or admission status." |
| 18:42.37 | PulpFictionPB | Zi: typically *not centric*, an application spans how many words? |
| 18:43.02 | Schrockwell | Check out #2 in the FAQ under Eligibility |
| 18:43.11 | eliel | Schrockwell: thanks |
| 18:43.13 | PulpFictionPB | i just need to have an idea, since i m getting ready to prepare a draft, and i dont know what should be the limit like. |
| 18:43.42 | SRabbelier | I don't know if there's going to be a character limit this time :) |
| 18:43.44 | Zi | no idea, i'm just a new student. =D but like i said, before you make an application at all, talk to your organization about it. they will help you with this. |
| 18:43.45 | SRabbelier | probably not |
| 18:43.57 | PulpFictionPB | SRabbelier: no limit? |
| 18:44.52 | eliel | Is there any student application example to be prepare? |
| 18:44.56 | SRabbelier | PulpFictionPB: not sure though |
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| 18:45.35 | haoyu | Hi, I have a project ideas search works: http://tinyurl.com/gsocideas |
| 18:45.39 | haoyu | enjoy it! :) |
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| 18:46.38 | eliel | someone from Argentina? |
| 18:47.55 | eliel | is alone... |
| 18:48.07 | kitallis | i can pretend |
| 18:48.28 | kloeri | eliel: I'm not sure this is a dating channel :p |
| 18:49.29 | Zi | haoyu, that's great! thanks =) |
| 18:49.51 | eliel | kloeri: he |
| 18:52.16 | eliel | google will accept or denied a student also based on the idea, or it is up to the org to do that? |
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| 18:53.07 | dhaun | eliel: that's up to the org |
| 18:53.29 | eliel | dhaun: ok, thanks |
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| 19:09.25 | easwar | !orgsbylang |
| 19:09.25 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 19:09.32 | prince1600 | hi there |
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| 19:25.03 | easwar | welcome back MatthewWilkes |
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| 19:27.22 | MatthewWilkes | thanks easwar - back home :) |
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| 19:32.25 | atsmyles | ls |
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| 19:33.30 | MatthewWilkes | settles down to read some nazi propaganda aimed at children |
| 19:34.31 | SRabbelier | 0.o |
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| 19:35.08 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/thumb.htm |
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| 19:36.07 | konr | Hi there! Now that Lisp-NYC is gone, is there any place where I can code lisp for gsoc? |
| 19:36.51 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ookaaaaaay |
| 19:37.59 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Yep. I have an essay on it due tomorrow |
| 19:38.17 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: oh, better hurry then :P |
| 19:38.28 | sid0 | hehe |
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| 19:38.50 | sid0 | MatthewWilkes: I have an assignment on the philosophical underpinnings of software piracy tomorrow |
| 19:38.57 | sid0 | er, due tomorrow |
| 19:39.09 | MatthewWilkes | sid0: Fun! :) |
| 19:39.17 | MatthewWilkes | Blackletter = hard to read :( |
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| 19:52.14 | kblin | konr: check the orgs by language list |
| 19:52.18 | kblin | !orgsbylang |
| 19:52.18 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 19:52.53 | kblin | though I don't see lisp on there yet |
| 19:53.06 | kblin | maybe time to look into another programming language ;) |
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| 19:55.04 | konr | :( |
| 19:55.29 | zounds|afk | does anyone have an advice on working out how long each part of your project will take? It's the bit in the application I'm least sure about |
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| 19:56.27 | kblin | Zounds: dunno, that's a matter of experience |
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| 19:57.33 | thomastc | kblin: maybe have a look at GNU emacs? |
| 19:57.44 | Zounds | I thought as much, that's more or less my problem, I don't have a lot |
| 19:58.16 | kblin | Zounds: just put your best guess, and then compare how it'll work out in reality and try a better guess next time |
| 19:58.30 | kblin | noone ever gets that right ;) |
| 19:58.47 | kblin | thomastc: don't tell me, tell konr |
| 19:59.05 | kblin | I don't like getting lost in a forest of braces |
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| 19:59.25 | Zounds | kblin: heh, thanks |
| 20:00.27 | ajuonline | anyone around the US West coast? |
| 20:00.36 | scorche | ? |
| 20:00.36 | ajuonline | all safe? http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iGMhoGRa54p5-0dbBVchp2-664eA |
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| 20:04.51 | devvrat | well it's good to see that all are safe |
| 20:05.15 | astro73|eee | not me |
| 20:05.23 | astro73|eee | i'm chained to a keyboard |
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| 20:07.09 | dho | Zounds: in my professional experience, *everyone* underestimates |
| 20:07.45 | dho | And in my experience as a GSoC mentor, that's usually more of a problem than people picking up projects way larger than they can chew. |
| 20:07.57 | dho | In a single summer, anyway |
| 20:08.34 | Zounds | dho: hm, do you have any advice for avoiding that? |
| 20:08.39 | dho | I'd suggest taking whatever you think is a reasonable amount of time and then adding half. |
| 20:09.00 | codestasher | hello |
| 20:09.10 | Catfish_Man | Hofstadter's law |
| 20:09.18 | dho | If that goes over the limit, you may want to re-evaluate the scope of your project proposal, or think of ways to test things faster |
| 20:09.23 | ojwb | and think about the tasks jn detail |
| 20:09.35 | devvrat | hmm |
| 20:09.37 | dho | (people think of the development process as code-only, and RARELY consider the obscene amount of time that debugging and testing takes) |
| 20:09.39 | ojwb | the more you break it down, the more you'll actually consider |
| 20:09.40 | dho | that's part of the process. |
| 20:09.44 | dho | That too. |
| 20:09.50 | ojwb | and documenting |
| 20:10.06 | codestasher | n we need to consider management part too |
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| 20:10.14 | devvrat | dho:how much of the time should be allocated to testing and debugging |
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| 20:10.43 | dho | That's variable. If you're working on a web app, you're probably going to be spending less time doing that than you would be if you're working on a kernel. |
| 20:11.07 | codestasher | dho:plzz suggest some good projects on networking |
| 20:11.13 | kblin | dho: I disagree. I spend more time debugging web-apps, as the debugging tools suck more |
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| 20:11.36 | devvrat | kblin:i agree with you |
| 20:11.45 | hypa7ia | codestasher: what kind of networking are you interested in? |
| 20:11.47 | kblin | codestasher: samba? |
| 20:12.01 | codestasher | no |
| 20:12.05 | codestasher | i just joined |
| 20:12.44 | dho | codestasher: I'm here with Plan 9, and I'm not intimately familiar with any other projects than FreeBSD, so I wouldn't know where to guide you there. |
| 20:12.58 | jefferai | anyone know the nick of the GNOME admin? |
| 20:13.12 | codestasher | hypa7ia: i am interested in projects like tor |
| 20:13.16 | dho | kblin: They do and they don't, but I do understand your point. |
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| 20:13.58 | dho | Either way, it's a lot more than you'd probably initially think, which is what the `time and a half' estimate is supposed to account for. |
| 20:14.26 | dho | In my experience, sometimes you're still lowballing, and sometimes you're overshooting by a lot, but in the end, time and a half ends up being a pretty accurate representation. |
| 20:14.50 | vuntz | jefferai: not an admin (just a mentor), but can I help? |
| 20:15.01 | jefferai | sure, can you point me towards the admin? :-) |
| 20:15.03 | devvrat | was boost c++ there last year |
| 20:15.14 | David_Honeynet | codestasher: some networking related projects here -> http://www.honeynet.org/gsoc |
| 20:15.24 | David_Honeynet | depending on what you are looking for |
| 20:15.29 | jefferai | vuntz: I know the email addy, but I was hoping to talk to him/her in person |
| 20:15.30 | Zounds | dho: better to overshoot than to be off by enough that you miss the deadline, nyeh? |
| 20:15.55 | dho | yes and no :) |
| 20:16.01 | hypa7ia | codestasher: you might be interested in the xelerance projects then |
| 20:16.07 | hypa7ia | openswan / dnssec stuff / OTR |
| 20:16.11 | dho | A completed project is better than one that is unfinished. |
| 20:16.14 | devvrat | how come |
| 20:16.18 | dho | That said, you don't want to overshoot by a month. |
| 20:16.24 | hypa7ia | codestasher: i'd also encourage you to apply for tor! |
| 20:16.25 | dho | (I've seen both happen) |
| 20:16.38 | codestasher | hypa7ia |
| 20:16.44 | codestasher | i am using tor |
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| 20:17.00 | hypa7ia | codestasher: cool - have you looked at their projects? |
| 20:17.01 | vuntz | jefferai: join #soc on irc.gnome.org |
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| 20:17.02 | codestasher | but hte problem is that my server admin is smhow able to detect thati am using it |
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| 20:17.10 | jefferai | vuntz: ah, ok |
| 20:17.18 | codestasher | and he has banned my IP |
| 20:17.24 | hypa7ia | codestasher: right, if you work on the project they can probably give you access to a server to run it on |
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| 20:17.39 | hypa7ia | codestasher: so don't count it out based on that |
| 20:17.54 | Zounds | dho: I suppose I'll just have to try and write out the process I expect to go through in as much detail as possible then. I live with some people with software development experience so they should be able to help me estimate |
| 20:18.16 | docpaul | who's maintaining the del.icio.us languages bundle? |
| 20:18.24 | dho | Zounds: not a bad idea. ojwb's point of really breaking down the project is a good one too. |
| 20:18.31 | codestasher | i wont count it out |
| 20:18.41 | codestasher | i wanna fix this problem in tor |
| 20:18.46 | codestasher | @ hypa |
| 20:19.01 | hypa7ia | codestasher: which problem, that your server admin can detect it? |
| 20:19.14 | dho | In your application, you probably shouldn't go into excruciating detail about what you'll need to do, but actually thinking about that deeply while making your application will not only give you a better time estimate, it'll also reduce the amount of time you spend on the architectural side of the problem. |
| 20:19.14 | codestasher | yup |
| 20:19.30 | hypa7ia | codestasher: i'm not sure that that's fixable, or intended to be fixable |
| 20:19.41 | hypa7ia | assuming you're talking about an exit node |
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| 20:20.24 | codestasher | so is dere no way out frm this situation?? @ hypa |
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| 20:20.38 | hypa7ia | codestasher: are you running an exit node? |
| 20:20.55 | hypa7ia | and codestasher, use my full nick, i don't highlight on hypa |
| 20:21.07 | dho | (i.e. you will have a head start in actually getting to development, as opposed to having to dive through things in attempt to essentially do yet another plan) |
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| 20:22.07 | Zounds | dho: yeah, that did cross my mind |
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| 20:23.07 | devvrat | anybody for sakai |
| 20:23.14 | codestasher | i am just an end node @hypa7ia |
| 20:23.25 | codestasher | and i am trying to bypass proxy server |
| 20:23.29 | codestasher | using tor |
| 20:23.35 | sminnee | Hi lh, I was hoping to get involved in the "Feedback for rejected organizations" discussion but, the timezone difference foiled me yesterday. Are you available today or are you busy with other stuff now? |
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| 20:24.42 | ojwb | sminnee: "[lh] is away (meetings until 14:30 Pacific Time)" |
| 20:24.53 | ojwb | so just over an hour from now |
| 20:25.05 | shirish | away |
| 20:25.14 | sminnee | Thanks ojwb |
| 20:26.38 | Zounds | dho: thanks for your advice btw |
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| 20:27.40 | dho | No problem |
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| 20:28.11 | tsukasa_ | dho? di hydrogen oxide? |
| 20:28.20 | tsukasa_ | as in water? |
| 20:28.28 | dho | Devon Hudson O'Dell |
| 20:28.31 | tsukasa_ | oh |
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| 20:29.01 | dho | I don't think I'm that clever :) |
| 20:29.14 | dho | Though I do remember playing that prank in high school. |
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| 20:30.05 | tsukasa_ | sometimes people have really obscure references for a seemingly random nick |
| 20:30.11 | Zounds | exposure to just a few militres of di-hydrogen-monoxide vapour can cause severe burns? |
| 20:30.15 | Zounds | etc |
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| 20:30.43 | Zounds | I remember seeing a petition to have it banned at one point |
| 20:30.58 | devvrat | tsukasa_: that was really funny |
| 20:30.58 | devvrat | :) |
| 20:31.02 | dho | Zounds: I printed out biohazard signs and taped them to water fountains. |
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| 20:31.29 | tsukasa_ | the only things constant in the universe is death and human ignorance |
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| 20:31.45 | Catfish_Man | tsukasa_: also pi |
| 20:31.46 | Zounds | heh, I can see that going two ways: getting completely ignored or causing a massive problem |
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| 20:34.14 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: You have no evidence for that. What if the geometry of the universe 50 milliard light years away is different? It could be 2. |
| 20:34.38 | Catfish_Man | MatthewWilkes: actually I have extremely large amounts of evidence |
| 20:34.42 | Catfish_Man | I have no *proof* |
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| 20:35.36 | scorche | oh dear...that kooky "milliard" |
| 20:35.37 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: You have proof it's locally true, but not evidence that the unobservable universe has any of the same properties as the observable |
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| 20:35.57 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: British. I'm holding on to our long billion :) |
| 20:35.58 | Landon | isn't sure what would be better... having a suit like Iron Man or being a natural superhero like Hancock |
| 20:36.11 | jefferai | Landon: natural |
| 20:36.42 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: most british people tell me that that hasnt been generally used since before they were born...and they are older than i am... |
| 20:36.46 | jpirie23 | there is also no definitive proof that I am a person, I could be a bot. You believe me to be a human because your instincts and experience suggest that i am indeed human |
| 20:36.53 | scorche | not that that is a large accomplishment or anything |
| 20:37.07 | Catfish_Man | jpirie23: I dunno. Your nick is pretty similar to some bots I know |
| 20:37.13 | jpirie23 | lol |
| 20:37.20 | Landon | jefferai: yeah, but building a suit is its own whole accomplishment of being a frickin genius |
| 20:37.27 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: True, but I'm linguistically quite conservative. |
| 20:37.39 | scorche | *quite* =P |
| 20:37.40 | dho | scorche: miljard is Dutch for 1 billion. |
| 20:37.52 | dho | So I'm rather sure the word has been around for quite some time. |
| 20:37.56 | jefferai | Landon: nothing says that you can't be a genius just because you have innate powers :-) |
| 20:38.01 | scorche | dho: i am aware that that trend carried through to other languages |
| 20:38.03 | jefferai | you can have innate powers and still build a suit |
| 20:38.12 | jefferai | but that way if you crash into something (e.g.) then you still have powers |
| 20:38.39 | Landon | haha :P |
| 20:38.42 | dho | On the other hand, quantities of 1 billion weren't necessary to express frequently until recently. |
| 20:38.52 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: Ok, fine, very. But I feel so dirty even thinking of applying the "c" word to myself! |
| 20:39.11 | scorche | =) |
| 20:39.23 | Landon | jefferai: or maybe I should be a demon barber |
| 20:39.24 | Landon | :) |
| 20:39.30 | jefferai | heh |
| 20:39.57 | Landon | if I were a lot more of a people person, I would think bartending could be quite fun |
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| 20:40.18 | MatthewWilkes | misses working behind a bar |
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| 20:45.45 | devvrat | Looks like everybody is sleepy |
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| 20:47.21 | ashish | Does anyone know which all companies have registered for this...??? |
| 20:47.41 | jpirie23 | yeah there's a link hang on i'll find it again |
| 20:47.48 | dhaun | !orglist |
| 20:47.48 | socinfo | "orglist" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 20:47.50 | ashish | thanks buddy |
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| 20:49.03 | jpirie23 | i think you're looking for this: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 20:49.56 | ashish | thanks again buddy |
| 20:50.01 | jpirie23 | no problem |
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| 20:50.55 | tsukasa_ | is android on there? |
| 20:50.59 | tsukasa_ | i didnt see it |
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| 20:53.35 | jpirie23 | no i don't think it's on there |
| 20:53.55 | jpirie23 | not sure why not to be honest.... sounds like a good one for them to put on there |
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| 20:56.01 | jrock08 | if I had to take a guess I would say they couldn't/didn't want to get mentors |
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| 20:57.15 | nerd_boy | Greetings, and Salutations. |
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| 21:02.53 | dhaun | mithro: your Slashdot story is up |
| 21:03.29 | dhaun | with the typo in "durpal.org", of course :P |
| 21:03.30 | Landon | heh |
| 21:03.36 | Landon | I like how the /. summary links durpal |
| 21:03.44 | Landon | dhaun beat me to it :P |
| 21:04.39 | dhaun | I think that was actually mithro's mistake - shows that the editors don't really check anything ... |
| 21:04.39 | SRabbelier | runs to the admin console to check traffic |
| 21:05.02 | SRabbelier | dhaun: it was |
| 21:05.09 | SRabbelier | dhaun: the error was in the firehose |
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| 21:05.45 | SRabbelier | we seem to be stable at under 10QPS |
| 21:05.48 | Catfish_Man | slashdot has editors? |
| 21:05.57 | dho | People still read slashdot? |
| 21:06.03 | Catfish_Man | I don't anymore. |
| 21:06.12 | dho | Good man. |
| 21:06.22 | dhaun | heavily filtered, yes |
| 21:06.39 | dho | wonders if he can remember his login info |
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| 21:07.49 | devvrat | Sakai code : https://source.sakaiproject.org/svn/ |
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| 21:09.08 | dho | Wow, last time I was active was in 2005. |
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| 21:09.34 | Landon | Catfish_Man: no, just very small shell scripts |
| 21:09.35 | Landon | :) |
| 21:09.46 | Landon | probably cronjos even |
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| 21:13.41 | s220043531 | I know about CVS and it purpose in general, but what is CVS repository? |
| 21:14.27 | ymalheiros | MoRpHeUz, hi, I saw your presentation at CIn - UFPE about SoC, can I talk to you in pvt? |
| 21:14.36 | MoRpHeUz | ymalheiros: sure =) |
| 21:15.05 | Upthorn | a cvs repository is a... repository for one or more projects under CVS source control |
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| 21:15.39 | Upthorn | it is the thing that contains the code and the revision history and all that |
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| 21:16.44 | s220043531 | Upthorn, you mean the previous versions of project or what? |
| 21:16.55 | Upthorn | the previous and current versions |
| 21:16.58 | Catfish_Man | s220043531: are you sure you understand how cvs works? |
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| 21:18.31 | s220043531 | Catfish_Man: I knoew what it do, but not how |
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| 21:19.45 | s220043531 | now I undersnad that I must put two versions or more in the repostory, so it can depend on them? |
| 21:19.55 | s220043531 | am I right? |
| 21:20.22 | Catfish_Man | generally every time you make a change, you commit it |
| 21:20.32 | Catfish_Man | so it contains the entire history of your project |
| 21:21.02 | dberkholz | someone must have collected basic concepts in open-source development somewhere as a oss for newbies thing. |
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| 21:21.23 | Catfish_Man | dberkholz: or maybe there's a cvs manual out there! my god, what a concept |
| 21:22.14 | Landon | dberkholz: seriously, all the first timers to OSS that arei n soc should collect their tips into a manual :P |
| 21:22.19 | devilsadvocate_ | Catfish_Man, its impossible at times to convince people to use version control. forget about reading the manual |
| 21:22.29 | dberkholz | if there isn't such a page, it seems like the gsoc wiki would be a good place for it |
| 21:22.31 | Landon | I know before I started I had the faintest idea of how svn worked |
| 21:22.50 | Catfish_Man | devilsadvocate_: I will immediately quit any job I'm at that isn't using a vcs of some sort |
| 21:23.06 | devilsadvocate_ | Catfish_Man, we all dont have that luxury :P |
| 21:23.30 | devilsadvocate_ | Catfish_Man, I occasionally have to convince _faculty_ of the benefits of documenting on a wiki |
| 21:24.01 | Catfish_Man | devilsadvocate_: vcs is more important than documentation imo |
| 21:24.14 | schumaml | well, at least in soc that is rather easy. people who do not read manuals != soc participants |
| 21:24.20 | devilsadvocate_ | Catfish_Man, i havent bothered to explain to them what a vcs is yet |
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| 21:25.18 | Landon | schumaml: or so we hope :) |
| 21:25.24 | Landon | plenty have trouble with the FAQ though |
| 21:25.32 | s220043531 | on eclipse cvs, I cannot add a repository for different versions of projects that I have on my disk, can anyone help here?? |
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| 21:25.46 | devilsadvocate_ | Catfish_Man, fortunately we dont expect them to write code, so... yeah |
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| 21:27.35 | kblin | s220043531: it sounds like you're trying to use this wrong |
| 21:27.42 | ajuonline | look sfor mithro |
| 21:28.03 | kblin | s220043531: usually, you have one working directory, where you do changes and commit them |
| 21:28.14 | ajuonline | mithro: the /. article has a wrong like to drupal.org |
| 21:28.38 | ajuonline | mithro: the "include content management systems," part link to "systems" --> points to www.durpal.org |
| 21:28.42 | kblin | ajuonline: we all know |
| 21:28.51 | ajuonline | ok |
| 21:28.54 | kblin | ajuonline: read the logs, dammit ;) |
| 21:28.57 | ajuonline | i just read that now :) |
| 21:29.05 | ajuonline | kblin: bah no! |
| 21:29.11 | ajuonline | i am sleepy and lazy :P |
| 21:29.24 | ajuonline | puts cold water on kblin and runs away |
| 21:29.44 | kblin | /kick ajuonline gotcha. |
| 21:29.47 | kblin | ;) |
| 21:29.58 | ajuonline | nay ;) |
| 21:30.29 | kblin | yay, I'm a winner.. |
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| 21:30.37 | kblin | at least I just got an email telling me that |
| 21:30.42 | kblin | so it has to be true |
| 21:31.03 | nerd_boy | So I can send you an email saying you owes me monies? |
| 21:31.04 | ajuonline | #fail |
| 21:31.12 | ajuonline | kblin: i get that daily. |
| 21:31.15 | ajuonline | bite me ;) |
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| 21:33.39 | kblin | nerd_boy: sure. just make sure you send me your bank details and passport |
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| 21:33.52 | nerd_boy | Grand! |
| 21:34.00 | icy | Does any of the admins have some free time to explain why our project (lighttpd) wasn't approved? It would help us with next year |
| 21:34.31 | kblin | icy: you'll need lh for that, and she's still off |
| 21:34.53 | icy | ok |
| 21:35.00 | ojwb | in meetings until about 4 minutes ago, so probably back quite soon I'd guess |
| 21:35.41 | kblin | icy: MatthewWilkes was acting as her personal secretary yesterday, just get him to make an appointment for you ;) |
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| 21:35.54 | icy | :) |
| 21:36.09 | kgbland | Any students on Industrial years / Internships? |
| 21:36.59 | kgbland | :( |
| 21:37.09 | tuxwannabe | have gnu some channel for gsoc? |
| 21:38.19 | ankush | internships...like ? |
| 21:38.58 | kblin | aw, delicious tags suck |
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| 21:39.03 | kgbland | I'm on a year long one atm |
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| 21:39.14 | kblin | if you try to filter for C, you get C++ results as well |
| 21:39.18 | kgbland | Finishes in July, really want to do GSOC |
| 21:39.28 | tschwinge | tuxwannabe: Some of the projects have individual channels and then there's the general #gnu channel on freenode. |
| 21:39.43 | tuxwannabe | tks!! |
| 21:40.47 | kblin | kgbland: I doubt you'll have the time for gsoc... are you enrolled at a college currently? |
| 21:41.41 | kgbland | Yes |
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| 21:42.22 | kblin | !timeline |
| 21:42.22 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:43.14 | kgbland | May go bald |
| 21:43.47 | kblin | kgbland: how much time does your internship leave you to work on gsoc-related stuff during june? |
| 21:43.59 | kgbland | Evenings and weekends |
| 21:44.21 | kblin | I very much doubt that'll suffice |
| 21:44.55 | kblin | I think I averaged at around 30h/week when I participated |
| 21:45.13 | kgbland | I've heard its about 20 hours a week |
| 21:45.29 | Catfish_Man | that would be lower than usual |
| 21:45.32 | ojwb | that's probably too low |
| 21:45.35 | Catfish_Man | the expectation is that it's a full time internship |
| 21:45.43 | Upthorn | <kblin> if you try to filter for C, you get C++ results as well |
| 21:45.44 | ojwb | you should expect to treat it as a full time job really |
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| 21:45.55 | Upthorn | so filter for C++ first |
| 21:46.05 | kblin | Upthorn: I don |
| 21:46.12 | Upthorn | and then compare each of your C filter results to the C++ results |
| 21:46.20 | ojwb | how seamless |
| 21:46.23 | kblin | 't want C++ results |
| 21:46.41 | Upthorn | if your C result is also a C++ result, remove it from the list |
| 21:46.55 | kblin | Upthorn: er... what? |
| 21:46.56 | ojwb | that;s very tedious compared to it just working sanely |
| 21:47.07 | ojwb | kblin: Upthorn is suggesting you manually filter your results |
| 21:47.21 | ojwb | I guess you'll get c# too |
| 21:47.21 | Upthorn | oh I thought kblin was working on a script to filter them |
| 21:47.22 | kblin | ojwb: that'd be a workaround, not a fix |
| 21:47.30 | ojwb | ojwb: I'm not disputing that |
| 21:47.33 | ojwb | um |
| 21:47.37 | ojwb | kblin: ^^ |
| 21:47.45 | Upthorn | fails at context |
| 21:47.46 | kblin | Upthorn: no, I'm saying the delicious tagging is crap |
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| 21:47.50 | kblin | :) |
| 21:47.55 | Upthorn | kblin: ah ok |
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| 21:48.06 | kblin | I'm not actually trying to use it |
| 21:49.01 | kblin | kgbland: I know that we had to fail people last year because they thought they could juggle a job and GSoC at the same time |
| 21:49.08 | kblin | kgbland: and it just didn't work |
| 21:49.17 | kgbland | Yeah I've heard that too |
| 21:49.56 | kblin | so this year I'm very actively discouraging people from even trying |
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| 21:50.30 | kblin | because the way I understood lh is that if you're dropped from GSoC for lack of performance, you won't get in again |
| 21:50.38 | Upthorn | kblin: what org are you with? |
| 21:50.41 | tkamppeter | Hi, is it possible to upgrade a mentor to be an admin? |
| 21:51.00 | kblin | tkamppeter: tried sending an admin invite? |
| 21:51.13 | kblin | Upthorn: WorldForge, Wine and Samba |
| 21:51.21 | tkamppeter | No, good idea. |
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| 21:51.47 | Upthorn | WorldForge is one of the projects I'm considering applying to |
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| 21:52.14 | kblin | Upthorn: ah, which part of it? :) |
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| 21:52.31 | Upthorn | I was actually just about to look in more detail |
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| 21:52.59 | tkamppeter | kblin, I have done so now, thank you. |
| 21:53.16 | kblin | tkamppeter: my pleasure. :) |
| 21:55.06 | Upthorn | Ember most likely |
| 21:55.49 | kblin | Upthorn: ah, that's erik's baby. :) |
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| 21:56.37 | Upthorn | Performing a few minor tasks for a Civ4 mod a few years ago has given me something of an aversion to python |
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| 21:56.55 | kgbland | python 2x ? |
| 21:57.18 | mordante | !faq |
| 21:57.18 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 21:57.48 | Upthorn | I'm not sure which version of python interpreter Civilization 4 uses |
| 21:58.12 | kblin | Upthorn: if you're into GUI stuff, ember certainly is a nice project to work on |
| 21:59.02 | Upthorn | yeah, I was looking at the GUI improvement or the dynamically downloadable resources task |
| 21:59.33 | Upthorn | although there's probably some reason that the dynamically downloadable resources thing is more complicated than it sounds to me |
| 22:00.20 | kblin | Upthorn: erik's currently online on irc.worldforge.org |
| 22:00.36 | kblin | you can bug him if you want more input |
| 22:01.11 | Upthorn | I'll have to do that later, I've got to go to class in a bit |
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| 22:01.34 | kblin | Upthorn: sure. I'm just saying that erik is the person to talk to :) |
| 22:01.44 | Upthorn | okay |
| 22:02.29 | Jeff_S | dannyb: hi, how's it going? |
| 22:02.31 | kblin | Upthorn: we're all on european timezones, so if he's not online later, send an email. :) |
| 22:03.36 | dannyb | good |
| 22:04.44 | Jeff_S | webchick: you there? |
| 22:05.03 | webchick | Jeff_S, I am, but /just/ about to take off. what's up? |
| 22:05.23 | Jeff_S | webchick: does drupal have a special SoC chan, or should I send people by #drupal ? |
| 22:05.49 | webchick | Jeff_S, That's a good question. I'm not actually heading up SoC this year. I would send 'em to #drupal and someone there can set 'em straight if that's not right. :) |
| 22:06.00 | Jeff_S | oh, sorry to bug you then :) thanks |
| 22:06.05 | webchick | nah, no worries. :D |
| 22:06.10 | shirish | Jeff_S, thanks for asking |
| 22:06.22 | Jeff_S | shirish: :) |
| 22:06.35 | webchick | Jeff_S, you could also refer them to http://groups.drupal.org/soc-2009 |
| 22:06.42 | webchick | Jeff_S, and *much* appreciated! |
| 22:06.48 | Jeff_S | webchick: shirish was the person in question, so consider it done |
| 22:06.55 | webchick | shirish, oh, hi there. ;D |
| 22:06.58 | Jeff_S | :) |
| 22:07.12 | shirish | hi webchick, thanks Jeff_S |
| 22:07.14 | webchick | ok cool. :) Yeah, drop by #drupal and just ask around. we won't bite too hard. ;) |
| 22:07.17 | webchick | ok, gotta go |
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| 22:07.41 | rkatiyar | is sleepy |
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| 22:11.50 | kblin | tada folks |
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| 22:12.31 | skorpland | hi |
| 22:12.43 | skorpland | I am new to SOC |
| 22:12.57 | skorpland | but want to participate in this |
| 22:13.00 | ojwb | skorpland: read the FAQ if you haven't already |
| 22:13.07 | ojwb | that will answer many of your questions |
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| 22:13.16 | ojwb | !faq |
| 22:13.16 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 22:13.18 | prince1600 | hello there |
| 22:13.42 | skorpland | yes |
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| 22:13.58 | skorpland | Price1600:I am here |
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| 22:14.26 | prince1600 | how are you, skorpland? |
| 22:14.37 | skorpland | i am fine |
| 22:14.45 | skorpland | but i am very new to SOC |
| 22:14.51 | prince1600 | me too |
| 22:14.59 | prince1600 | where are from? |
| 22:15.22 | skorpland | I am from durgapur west bengal |
| 22:15.27 | skorpland | and you |
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| 22:15.28 | skorpland | ? |
| 22:15.32 | prince1600 | 57 male Greece |
| 22:15.39 | prince1600 | you? |
| 22:15.54 | skorpland | 19 m in |
| 22:16.02 | prince1600 | in? |
| 22:16.12 | skorpland | I am interested to participate in Wordpress,joomla,drupal |
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| 22:16.27 | skorpland | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.39 | prince1600 | I have many friends from India |
| 22:16.45 | prince1600 | net friends I mean |
| 22:17.00 | skorpland | oh great |
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| 22:17.14 | skorpland | So what do u do? can i ask it? |
| 22:17.35 | prince1600 | my best friend is at the moment studying pilot |
| 22:17.39 | prince1600 | in Canada |
| 22:17.49 | prince1600 | because I asked him to be a pilot |
| 22:18.01 | prince1600 | I have been a teacher of English |
| 22:18.21 | skorpland | ok |
| 22:18.28 | prince1600 | He had studied in India |
| 22:18.34 | kendrick | heh. "let the ASLs begin!" |
| 22:18.40 | prince1600 | aeronautics |
| 22:18.49 | prince1600 | as a technician |
| 22:19.04 | skorpland | aeronautics? from where in india |
| 22:19.04 | schumaml | that's ASbSmSoL |
| 22:19.10 | prince1600 | but i understood he was a bright kid |
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| 22:19.40 | prince1600 | He studied in Chennai |
| 22:19.48 | skorpland | so u have been on GSOC from how many days |
| 22:19.49 | prince1600 | He comes from Coimbatore |
| 22:19.49 | skorpland | ? |
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| 22:20.02 | skorpland | Coimbtore is in karnataka state |
| 22:20.02 | schumaml | prince1600: where will this lead? |
| 22:20.31 | ojwb | grins at kendrick |
| 22:20.33 | prince1600 | what do you mean, schumam1? |
| 22:21.33 | skorpland | schumami:what did u mean? |
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| 22:22.09 | schumaml | well, it did sound like you were in the wrong channel |
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| 22:23.29 | skorpland | oh sorry |
| 22:23.42 | skorpland | well i had come to know how i can proceed for SOC |
| 22:23.43 | skorpland | ? |
| 22:24.19 | Ori_B | ~faq |
| 22:24.25 | Ori_B | !faq |
| 22:24.26 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 22:24.37 | Ori_B | skorpland: ^-- there you go. |
| 22:24.50 | Ori_B | if you have questions that aren't in there, come back :) |
| 22:24.52 | skorpland | ok |
| 22:25.30 | Zounds | skorpland: you should find a organisation you're interested in working with and a project you're interested in working on at start talking to them about it the list is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 22:26.41 | skorpland | Thank you so muck |
| 22:26.44 | skorpland | much |
| 22:26.55 | skorpland | i am leaving now to study these faqs |
| 22:27.01 | skorpland | thanks again |
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| 22:29.03 | abhi12345 | hi tthere? |
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| 22:29.26 | abhi12345 | i am a new user....... |
| 22:29.38 | prince1600 | welcome |
| 22:29.48 | abhi12345 | i want to participate in gsoc |
| 22:30.01 | prince1600 | you are already here |
| 22:30.16 | abhi12345 | in the project in C Archive network |
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| 22:30.43 | abhi12345 | can u suggest me something related to that' |
| 22:30.49 | prince1600 | I do not know technical matters |
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| 22:30.54 | r0bby_ | laughs manically |
| 22:30.58 | abhi12345 | o sorry |
| 22:31.03 | abhi12345 | !!!!!!1 |
| 22:31.03 | socinfo | Error: "!!!!!1" is not a valid command. |
| 22:31.10 | Zounds | abhi12345: you should find their channel and speak to them directly |
| 22:31.28 | abhi12345 | can u tell me the channel???? |
| 22:31.46 | ojwb | no, but it will be in their entry in the web app |
| 22:31.47 | Zounds | yup, it's #ccan |
| 22:31.52 | abhi12345 | it will be of great help to me |
| 22:32.02 | Zounds | abhi12345: http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/ccan |
| 22:32.26 | abhi12345 | may i know where are u from?? |
| 22:32.46 | Zounds | Me? I'm from Ireland |
| 22:33.00 | abhi12345 | okay |
| 22:33.11 | abhi12345 | can i know what do you do??? |
| 22:33.12 | prince1600 | and you, abhi? |
| 22:34.04 | Zounds | I'm a student |
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| 22:34.18 | abhi12345 | me too a student |
| 22:34.25 | abhi12345 | .... |
| 22:34.28 | prince1600 | what do you study? |
| 22:34.40 | abhi12345 | i am doing b.tech |
| 22:34.52 | abhi12345 | in cse department |
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| 22:35.01 | abhi12345 | what are u studying??? |
| 22:35.08 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:35.10 | abhi12345 | ??? |
| 22:35.12 | ThomasWaldmann | moin :) |
| 22:35.24 | prince1600 | I have been a teacher of English |
| 22:35.39 | abhi12345 | nice |
| 22:35.43 | prince1600 | thanks |
| 22:35.54 | prince1600 | where do you come from? |
| 22:36.01 | abhi12345 | in which institution??? |
| 22:36.02 | prince1600 | India I suppose? |
| 22:36.19 | abhi12345 | i am from westbengal,durgapur |
| 22:36.32 | abhi12345 | 'ya ya |
| 22:36.40 | prince1600 | I teach at a secondary state school |
| 22:36.49 | prince1600 | in Thessaloniki, Greece |
| 22:36.55 | abhi12345 | have u ever been to india??? |
| 22:37.26 | prince1600 | not yet, but I have many net friends there |
| 22:37.51 | abhi12345 | madharchod |
| 22:38.09 | abhi12345 | salaonly time pass u are doing |
| 22:38.20 | rkatiyar | abhi12345: you should learn to behave |
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| 22:38.47 | abhi12345 | rkatiyar:chup bhosdi tumko nahin bole hain |
| 22:38.57 | abhi12345 | betichod |
| 22:39.35 | abhi12345 | is any body here??? |
| 22:39.43 | shirish | abhi12345, are you from NIT durgapur |
| 22:39.43 | shirish | ? |
| 22:39.44 | Catfish_Man | you've just been talking with several people |
| 22:39.58 | abhi12345 | ya ya |
| 22:40.05 | newt | it's an IRC room... tons of people lurking |
| 22:40.08 | abhi12345 | how do u know??? |
| 22:40.12 | shirish | and 3 rd year ?? |
| 22:40.15 | Zounds | type: /n |
| 22:40.20 | abhi12345 | how do u know??? |
| 22:40.37 | shirish | well not a big deal just read your past chat |
| 22:40.40 | abhi12345 | what u do shrish |
| 22:40.46 | zaki84__ | 418 according to xchat... |
| 22:40.50 | abhi12345 | haha... |
| 22:41.00 | shirish | and your slang up there is really offensive |
| 22:41.15 | shirish | zaki84__, what is 418 |
| 22:41.15 | abhi12345 | isnt it interesting? |
| 22:41.26 | newt | shirish: # of people in this room, now 417 |
| 22:41.27 | abhi12345 | shrish???? |
| 22:41.41 | shirish | Indian |
| 22:41.45 | shirish | UnderGrad |
| 22:41.48 | rkatiyar | abhi12345: no, it is not. you cant just join some channel and say something offensive |
| 22:41.55 | abhi12345 | in which city??? |
| 22:42.14 | Catfish_Man | hm. Enforcing channel rules becomes difficult when you don't speak the language people are being offensive in |
| 22:42.16 | shirish | Allahabad |
| 22:42.21 | shirish | and now you can start guessing |
| 22:42.27 | shirish | ;) its IIIT -Allahabad |
| 22:42.30 | abhi12345 | which college??? |
| 22:42.39 | abhi12345 | gud |
| 22:42.59 | newt | Catfish_Man: true, but it's common courtesy to type in a language common to the channel regardless |
| 22:43.02 | abhi12345 | campusing condition there?? |
| 22:43.10 | Catfish_Man | newt: indeed |
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| 22:43.20 | abhi12345 | here it is worst |
| 22:43.20 | shirish | well are you referring to placements |
| 22:43.21 | shirish | ? |
| 22:43.28 | abhi12345 | yes |
| 22:43.35 | shirish | yeah the same every where |
| 22:43.40 | shirish | are you a 3 rd year stud |
| 22:43.43 | shirish | or a final year |
| 22:43.45 | abhi12345 | yes |
| 22:43.49 | *** part/#gsoc iamtravis (n=Travis@unaffiliated/iamtravis) |
| 22:43.50 | abhi12345 | 3rd year |
| 22:43.55 | shirish | yeah me too |
| 22:43.57 | schumaml | I'm pretty sure that some mentors and admins will adjust their lists accordingly :) |
| 22:43.58 | abhi12345 | cse deptt.. |
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| 22:44.09 | shirish | and about that gsoc is it your first time |
| 22:44.09 | abhi12345 | which deptt.??? |
| 22:44.09 | shirish | ? |
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| 22:44.15 | shirish | i am in I.T |
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| 22:44.22 | abhi12345 | okay |
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| 22:44.26 | shirish | ha ha aieee rank |
| 22:44.26 | shirish | ?? |
| 22:44.36 | abhi12345 | i am planning to participate in gsoc |
| 22:44.54 | ojwb | schumaml: I'm certainly intending to check IRC logs to gauge cluefulness and politeness |
| 22:44.57 | shirish | okie doesnt matter now does it .. its been long since you ve joined the college |
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| 22:45.05 | shirish | coming to the point about the SoC |
| 22:45.08 | DGMurdockIII | canproject still apply to google summer of code |
| 22:45.09 | shirish | is it your first time > |
| 22:45.16 | abhi12345 | yes |
| 22:45.17 | *** part/#gsoc jp0186 (n=jp0186@77-56-56-38.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 22:45.17 | DGMurdockIII | can project still apply to google summer of code |
| 22:45.18 | Catfish_Man | DGMurdockIII: no, the organization deadline was earlier this week |
| 22:45.21 | ojwb | DGMurdockIII: not for 2009 |
| 22:45.27 | rkatiyar | deadline is over for 2009 |
| 22:45.29 | abhi12345 | have u done it before???? |
| 22:45.37 | DGMurdockIII | so they can apply for 2010 |
| 22:45.48 | rkatiyar | DGMurdockIII: yes but next year |
| 22:45.57 | DGMurdockIII | that suck |
| 22:46.03 | rkatiyar | you missed by one year :) |
| 22:46.09 | schumaml | if there will be a gsoc 2010, that is |
| 22:46.26 | abhi12345 | what do u mean?? |
| 22:46.38 | abhi12345 | please tell me i n detail??? |
| 22:46.43 | Catfish_Man | abhi12345: they're talking to DGMurdockIII |
| 22:47.10 | abhi12345 | hi catfish???? |
| 22:47.16 | icy | troll |
| 22:47.20 | abhi12345 | where are u from??? |
| 22:47.23 | rkatiyar | he he |
| 22:47.34 | shirish | nah i might not really be a lot of help |
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| 22:47.38 | shirish | this is my first time too |
| 22:47.55 | Catfish_Man | abhi12345: a suggestion... maybe cut down on the punctuation abuse there ;) |
| 22:47.57 | *** part/#gsoc DGMurdockIII (n=dgmurdoc@64-184-11-205.bb.hrtc.net) |
| 22:48.00 | Catfish_Man | I'm from the western US |
| 22:48.23 | ojwb | the more verbose version of a/s/l... |
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| 22:48.47 | shirish | abhi12345, if you can just go thru drupal |
| 22:48.48 | rkatiyar | Aww my irc client suck, it doesnt quote username by clicking them :( |
| 22:48.59 | shirish | that is if you dont have any project in mind still |
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| 22:49.08 | shirish | wat is that c archive you were talking about |
| 22:49.09 | shirish | ?? |
| 22:49.15 | abhi12345 | yes i have |
| 22:49.19 | Raim | rkatiyar: no tab-completion? |
| 22:49.26 | rkatiyar | no :( |
| 22:49.27 | abhi12345 | C archive network |
| 22:49.40 | rkatiyar | i should get xchat or pidgin |
| 22:49.45 | shirish | okie |
| 22:50.13 | devilsadvocate_ | rkatiyar, tab completion >> clicking username |
| 22:50.26 | skorpland | abhi12345:r u a developer |
| 22:50.26 | skorpland | ? |
| 22:50.27 | abhi12345 | shrish,are u having any idea??? |
| 22:50.29 | rkatiyar | devilsadvocate_: thanks |
| 22:50.41 | shirish | well right now i am seeking for ideas |
| 22:50.44 | shirish | not having ideas |
| 22:50.45 | shirish | lol |
| 22:50.50 | skorpland | shirish:u r an engineeering student |
| 22:50.56 | rkatiyar | devilsadvocate_: never thought it would be a feature in trillial |
| 22:51.00 | rkatiyar | trillian* |
| 22:51.10 | shirish | skorpland, yes i am but why do you ask |
| 22:51.20 | abhi12345 | skorpland u here??? |
| 22:51.22 | skorpland | u talked with abhi |
| 22:51.33 | abhi12345 | bokachoda go to ur work... |
| 22:51.36 | devilsadvocate_ | rkatiyar, an irc client without tab completion is not an irc client worth using |
| 22:51.52 | skorpland | chup bhosdi... |
| 22:51.56 | skorpland | band kar bakbaas |
| 22:52.12 | abhi12345 | acha |
| 22:52.16 | shirish | arey yaar galiya math sunao yaar |
| 22:52.22 | abhi12345 | betichod ja ke gand mmarao |
| 22:52.25 | skorpland | yes shirish what wr we talking never mind |
| 22:52.45 | abhi12345 | sorry shrish tumhe nahi bol rahe hai |
| 22:52.53 | rkatiyar | for those people using sland in indian languages, FYI most people join gsoc from India after US |
| 22:52.55 | prince1600 | time to go |
| 22:53.02 | abhi12345 | ye skorpland ke liye hai |
| 22:53.03 | skorpland | are betichod ABHI |
| 22:53.04 | prince1600 | good night everyone |
| 22:53.05 | rkatiyar | so here are a lot of people who can understand you |
| 22:53.05 | devilsadvocate_ | danderson, around? |
| 22:53.10 | rkatiyar | and are generally offended |
| 22:53.12 | Catfish_Man | abhi12345: could you stick to english please? |
| 22:53.13 | abhi12345 | prince are u here??? |
| 22:53.16 | rkatiyar | please stop trolling |
| 22:53.22 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.30 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.31 | devilsadvocate_ | Catfish_Man, can you please kickban abhi12345 and skorpland |
| 22:53.33 | prince1600 | leaving |
| 22:53.33 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.34 | shirish | skorpland, you were saying some thing |
| 22:53.34 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.35 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.42 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.44 | skorpland | sorry |
| 22:53.46 | prince1600 | what? |
| 22:53.46 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.46 | Afal | abhi12345, quit dat |
| 22:53.47 | kloeri | sighs |
| 22:53.48 | dberkholz | op? |
| 22:53.48 | abhi12345 | prince |
| 22:53.49 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b abhi12345!*@*] by Catfish_Man |
| 22:53.50 | kloeri | kids.. |
| 22:53.52 | shirish | abhi12345, its really annoying the chances are that you can get banned |
| 22:53.54 | skorpland | i didnt start he was offending me |
| 22:54.06 | rkatiyar | Ops? |
| 22:54.08 | skorpland | i am extreemely sorry |
| 22:54.09 | shirish | i tried to warn you |
| 22:54.23 | ankush | get the f*** abhi outta here ! |
| 22:54.28 | skorpland | ok lets come to d topic |
| 22:54.34 | shirish | ha ha ab skorpland ja kar haslo abhi12345 ke uper |
| 22:54.48 | shirish | yeah you were saying some thing skorpland |
| 22:55.05 | *** kick/#gsoc [abhi12345!n=david@adium/CatfishMan] by Catfish_Man (Catfish_Man) |
| 22:55.07 | skorpland | abhi ban ho gaya |
| 22:55.12 | Catfish_Man | sorry about the lag there |
| 22:55.13 | skorpland | badhiya hua |
| 22:55.14 | ankush | hey shirish |
| 22:55.24 | ankush | me too from allahabad |
| 22:55.25 | shirish | ankush, hey |
| 22:55.30 | nixbox | lol amazing that people are talking in hindi :P |
| 22:55.33 | shirish | IIIT-A or what ? |
| 22:55.41 | ankush | well presently studying in indore |
| 22:55.57 | shirish | participating in gsoc this year ?? |
| 22:56.16 | skorpland | nixbox:u r also from india indian hain to hindi hi na bolenge hai ki nai? |
| 22:56.24 | ankush | shirish: i was just lurking in here, that i found allahabad written hence contacted you |
| 22:56.26 | zooko | Catfish man: no offense, but I think the lag there was like 30 minutes. |
| 22:56.50 | ojwb | points out there is a ##gsoc-india channel |
| 22:57.00 | ankush | shirish: yeah, planning as such....participation comes after proposal acceptance ;) |
| 22:57.04 | Catfish_Man | zooko: no, there was a while where I was watching and assessing the situation |
| 22:57.11 | shirish | did you do it before |
| 22:57.15 | shirish | or is it your first |
| 22:57.15 | shirish | ? |
| 22:57.21 | ankush | nopes, first time |
| 22:57.23 | zooko | What I meant was, I think you should have acted much earlier. |
| 22:57.31 | zooko | It isn't the end of the world if an innocent person gets kicked. |
| 22:57.40 | ankush | finding it difficult....what about u ? |
| 22:57.42 | devilsadvocate_ | zooko, it did escalate pretty fast |
| 22:57.43 | zooko | But 95% of the time, they were never innocent. |
| 22:57.59 | Catfish_Man | zooko: eh. I lean towards a light hand on the op commands. Other people take a heavier approach |
| 22:58.02 | zooko | Anyway, it's not for me to say -- I've never moderated such a large channel. |
| 22:58.04 | shirish | difficult what ? gsoc ? well did you have any proposals |
| 22:58.21 | skorpland | ah i am planning to have on |
| 22:58.22 | rkatiyar | Catfish_Man: do NOT feed the trolls |
| 22:58.23 | ankush | proposal...naah |
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| 22:58.28 | skorpland | wordpress joomla or drupal |
| 22:58.28 | nixbox | skorpland, no i am not from india |
| 22:58.34 | skorpland | can i have on all three |
| 22:59.04 | ojwb | wonders at what point Catfish_Man fed the trolls |
| 22:59.06 | skorpland | anyone please |
| 22:59.07 | skorpland | ? |
| 22:59.13 | schumaml | Catfish_Man: imagine the op commands to be a very sharp blade, then a light hand will be all you need |
| 22:59.14 | kloeri | prefers varying wildly between being light and heavyhanded - keeps the trolls on the edge of the seat :p |
| 22:59.16 | ojwb | can you apply to 3 projects? yes |
| 22:59.20 | ojwb | should you? |
| 22:59.22 | zooko | just reviewing the log, and it looks to me like abhi was probably a troll in the first 60 seconds of his appearance.a |
| 22:59.27 | ojwb | perhaps, but probably more than 3 is unwise |
| 22:59.42 | Catfish_Man | zooko: I agree, but I'd ban about 6 other people if I went on that criteria |
| 22:59.42 | ojwb | it's hard to write 3 good applications |
| 22:59.44 | zooko | Anyway, thanks for kicking him. |
| 22:59.50 | skorpland | yes actually right now i amdoing freelancing works |
| 22:59.51 | rkatiyar | sits in corner and watches the trolls |
| 22:59.51 | Catfish_Man | I waited for an actual rules violation I could understand |
| 22:59.54 | skorpland | from home |
| 23:00.02 | skorpland | on getafreelancer |
| 23:00.16 | ojwb | tends to think "not using the language of the channel despite a couple of requests" counts |
| 23:00.21 | zooko | C_M: yeah, so what I said earlier was along the lines of, maybe it is okay to kick someone, and if they were innocent they can complain (privately) and you can explain that even though they weren't intending to, they were out of bounds. |
| 23:00.29 | skorpland | so hope i might do some project on PHP MYSQL |
| 23:00.36 | zooko | But again, I'll *really* stop telling you how to do your job now. |
| 23:00.38 | zooko | does his own job. |
| 23:00.41 | Catfish_Man | thank you :) |
| 23:00.48 | nixbox | i am going for ns-3, Bluez, and The Linux Foundation |
| 23:00.53 | rkatiyar | is back from his corner |
| 23:00.59 | skorpland | great nixbox |
| 23:01.04 | ojwb | zooko: you'll get a red card for arguing with the ref |
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| 23:01.12 | skorpland | ns-3 and Bluez |
| 23:01.19 | skorpland | 1st time to me |
| 23:01.39 | rkatiyar | I was wondering if some organization does not have a gsoc specific mailing list, where to contact them? |
| 23:01.49 | shirish | its Information Technology |
| 23:01.50 | Catfish_Man | rkatiyar: typically their main development list or irc channel |
| 23:01.59 | ojwb | rkatiyar: their entry on the webapp should give a contact email address |
| 23:02.00 | Catfish_Man | in adium's case, for example, it would be #adium-devl or adium-devl@adiumx.com |
| 23:02.06 | ankush | shirish:yeah got it |
| 23:02.08 | nixbox | skorpland, ns-3, the new version of ns-2, a famous network simulator, Bluez, is the Linux bluetooth networking stack |
| 23:02.20 | schumaml | do many orgs have gsoc-specific mailing lists? |
| 23:02.35 | skorpland | yes |
| 23:02.36 | rkatiyar | schumaml: on their ideas page, yes they do |
| 23:02.39 | ojwb | some do |
| 23:02.52 | schumaml | interacting with their community is supposed to be a part of soc, si I wouldn't expect this |
| 23:03.00 | schumaml | so |
| 23:03.11 | ojwb | at this point in things, the traffic can be a bit overwhelming though |
| 23:03.15 | ankush | shirish: any particular idea...found interestiing |
| 23:03.25 | ojwb | but certainly there are arguments for not doing it |
| 23:03.32 | shirish | i am thinking about drupal |
| 23:03.53 | skorpland | shirish:me also thinking same |
| 23:04.04 | ankush | shirish: have u worked on that ? |
| 23:04.08 | skorpland | yaar theme development mein project hota hai kya? |
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| 23:04.10 | rkatiyar | yes because devl list is already crowded with regular questions |
| 23:04.13 | shirish | absolute beginner here |
| 23:04.17 | shirish | how abotu uyou |
| 23:04.25 | rkatiyar | can i contact mentors directly, through email? |
| 23:04.37 | Catfish_Man | rkatiyar: certainly, if you think they're ok with that |
| 23:04.50 | ankush | i went through netsurf....found it interesting |
| 23:04.50 | *** kick/#gsoc [skorpland!n=david@adium/CatfishMan] by Catfish_Man (c'mon man, we've been over this. English please) |
| 23:05.13 | shirish | yeah me too |
| 23:05.18 | ankush | but yet again...its like need to do things very quickly |
| 23:05.19 | ojwb | I think that was lolcats |
| 23:05.21 | shirish | get in to the channel #drupal |
| 23:05.26 | shirish | to know more about it |
| 23:05.37 | ankush | ofcourse. |
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| 23:06.15 | ankush | i guess the selection criteria will be rigid this time |
| 23:06.34 | ankush | as google has already mentioned about low no of intakes |
| 23:07.27 | shirish | hmmm |
| 23:07.33 | ojwb | that may put some people off applying |
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| 23:07.42 | ojwb | interestingly, there were fewer org applications this year |
| 23:08.09 | ojwb | but I suspect gsoc is better publicised with students now |
| 23:08.17 | ankush | ojwd: tremendous drop...150 only |
| 23:08.29 | rkatiyar | there were around 3000 students applied last year and around 1150 were selected |
| 23:08.37 | rkatiyar | this time only 1000 will be selected |
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| 23:08.45 | ThomasWaldmann | soc is on /. |
| 23:08.55 | Afal | that's a little worrying |
| 23:09.25 | rkatiyar | so chances are 3 out of 1 :| |
| 23:09.30 | zaki84__ | Afal: I don't feel so... |
| 23:09.30 | Afal | aye |
| 23:09.36 | Catfish_Man | remember that a lot of proposals are pretty much spam |
| 23:09.38 | Ori_B | Afal: eh, it's not that worrying. 1/3 students isnt' a bad ratio. |
| 23:09.40 | zaki84__ | If I get there, then it's a bonus... |
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| 23:09.49 | Catfish_Man | so the odds for a GOOD proposal are actually better than that |
| 23:10.03 | ThomasWaldmann | it's much better than 1/3, IF you care. |
| 23:10.07 | ojwb | ankush: no, I mean fewer *applied* too |
| 23:10.14 | rkatiyar | did i say 3 out of 1 :O |
| 23:10.14 | ojwb | it was 395 with 2 duplicates this year |
| 23:10.19 | rkatiyar | i mean 1 out of 3 |
| 23:10.26 | ankush | ojwb: k |
| 23:10.36 | Afal | heh |
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| 23:11.06 | skorpland | hi |
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| 23:11.27 | fuzzybyte | rkatiyar: why only 1000 now? |
| 23:11.32 | skorpland | is there Cat_fish? |
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| 23:11.40 | Catfish_Man | skorpland: hi |
| 23:11.48 | Catfish_Man | feel free to /msg me if it's not about gsoc stuff |
| 23:12.00 | skorpland | u have just kikked me and i was just asking please wait |
| 23:12.00 | rkatiyar | fuzzybyte: really i can't answer that |
| 23:12.10 | Afal | I suppose there's a good chance if you're enthusiatic about the project with the mentors |
| 23:12.12 | rkatiyar | fuzzybyte: ask google :) |
| 23:12.46 | skorpland | shirish:there still |
| 23:12.50 | fuzzybyte | was the reward 5000$ last year as well? |
| 23:12.59 | rkatiyar | it is $4500 |
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| 23:13.04 | shirish | skorpland, yeah |
| 23:13.08 | rkatiyar | 500$ goes to org |
| 23:13.09 | Catfish_Man | fuzzybyte: yes, it's always been $4500 for the student and $500 for the mentoring organization |
| 23:13.10 | skorpland | ok |
| 23:13.20 | fuzzybyte | rkatiyar: that's 5000$ together |
| 23:13.22 | skorpland | so what wre u teeling ab drupal |
| 23:13.23 | skorpland | ? |
| 23:13.35 | skorpland | on which topic u thought |
| 23:13.46 | rkatiyar | but students always been getting 4500$ |
| 23:13.49 | shirish | going thru it still .. . |
| 23:13.50 | rkatiyar | for their hard work |
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| 23:14.08 | shirish | may be it better to poke in #drupal channel |
| 23:14.16 | skorpland | theme development can be possible project or not? |
| 23:14.20 | shirish | u 'd get some ideas |
| 23:14.25 | skorpland | noone is there |
| 23:14.45 | shirish | o |
| 23:14.46 | shirish | ok ok |
| 23:15.09 | shirish | i dont really have much of an idea about the topic i am going to choose right now i am still thinking about it |
| 23:15.19 | kloeri | skorpland: you want to make a theme or a framework for theming? |
| 23:15.33 | skorpland | theme |
| 23:15.44 | skorpland | kloeri:i am really new to drupal |
| 23:15.52 | skorpland | but well versed at PHP Mysql |
| 23:16.20 | devilsadvocate_ | imagines what the worlds most expensive theme would look like :) |
| 23:16.26 | kloeri | if you just want to make a theme then that doesn't sound like a gsoc project at all to me |
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| 23:16.54 | skorpland | then anything for beginer can u suggest please |
| 23:16.55 | skorpland | ? |
| 23:17.58 | kloeri | I don't know anything about drupal I'm afraid but students are expected to work full time for the entire period (2.5 months or so iirc) |
| 23:18.16 | skorpland | ok |
| 23:18.53 | skorpland | any suggestion anyone? |
| 23:19.00 | shirish | kloeri, what do you suggest other than drupal |
| 23:19.07 | devilsadvocate_ | skorpland, look at the projects' ideas page |
| 23:19.15 | devilsadvocate_ | shirish, look at the accepted orgs list |
| 23:19.16 | Afal | skorpland, http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 23:19.24 | kloeri | shirish: find a project that you like and look at their ideas page |
| 23:19.33 | rkatiyar | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009 |
| 23:19.44 | rkatiyar | look at this list, sorted by tags |
| 23:19.56 | kloeri | shirish: and if there's any similar projects (even vaguely similar) you might want to look at their ideas pages as well for inspiration |
| 23:20.13 | skorpland | thanks evryone |
| 23:20.20 | skorpland | u all are really very helpful |
| 23:20.29 | shirish | kloeri, what about drupal |
| 23:20.41 | ankush | rkatiyarthanks |
| 23:20.44 | shirish | can a beginner cope up with the gsoc level project ideas |
| 23:20.49 | ankush | rkatiyar: thanks |
| 23:21.08 | Catfish_Man | shirish: by picking a project with a small enough scope, possibly |
| 23:21.11 | kloeri | there should be some projects that are beginner friendly |
| 23:21.24 | rkatiyar | shirish: projects are of different difficulty level |
| 23:21.39 | rkatiyar | shirish: choose a project of minimum difficulty level |
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| 23:21.57 | ojwb | and think of the skills you have |
| 23:22.03 | ojwb | and areas of interest |
| 23:22.04 | skorpland | rkatiyar:where r u from and what do u do? |
| 23:22.08 | shirish | rkatiyar, how can i judge with the dificulty level how dificult it is |
| 23:22.15 | shirish | difficult* |
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| 23:22.26 | kloeri | projects scale from relatively easy to very technical and complex so it's just a question of reading over all the ideas and figure out what could be a reasonable project for you |
| 23:22.34 | ojwb | many orgs rate their project suggestions |
| 23:22.39 | schumaml | shirish: ask the organization? |
| 23:22.42 | rkatiyar | shirish: read the idead page, ask the dev community what skill sets are required |
| 23:22.47 | rkatiyar | ideas* |
| 23:22.51 | ojwb | if not, talk to the orgs that interest you can explain your skills |
| 23:23.05 | arunreddy | Guys thanks a ton for those delicious links |
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| 23:23.08 | rkatiyar | skorpland: india, student, iitk |
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| 23:23.34 | arunreddy | Cheers to the guy who took all the pains..!!! |
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| 23:24.11 | ankush | gn all, will be off to bed now.....thanks once again rkatiyar :) |
| 23:24.22 | rkatiyar | ankush: welcome |
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| 23:25.01 | shirish | can i apply to multiple mentoring organizations |
| 23:25.20 | shirish | dont give me an FAQ link for this one |
| 23:25.26 | arunreddy | shirish: yep you can |
| 23:25.31 | rkatiyar | shirish: can apply upto 20 orgs |
| 23:25.32 | arunreddy | lol |
| 23:25.33 | shirish | tq |
| 23:25.40 | rkatiyar | but better not go for more than 5 imo |
| 23:25.48 | shirish | okies |
| 23:25.51 | arunreddy | whats up shirish what ll u planning for |
| 23:25.52 | skorpland | shirish:but dont do randomly |
| 23:25.54 | systat | Hello, I am new to this Google Summer of Code, what requirements I need to meet so I can participate in Google Summer of Code? |
| 23:26.02 | rkatiyar | you can write at max 5 GOOD applications |
| 23:26.09 | shirish | yeah yeah i would rather be care ful |
| 23:26.18 | shirish | systat, read the FAQ's |
| 23:26.28 | schumaml | systat: requirement 1 is to read the faq |
| 23:26.38 | arunreddy | can we directly ask the person concerned abt the stuff required |
| 23:26.38 | arunreddy | ..? |
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| 23:26.55 | arunreddy | skill sets.. and stuff !! |
| 23:26.58 | rkatiyar | sure, if that person is happy with that |
| 23:27.28 | arunreddy | And i have one more query |
| 23:27.47 | arunreddy | Are we supposed to in and out.. of the idea for which we are going to app. |
| 23:28.08 | Afal | what do you mean "in and out"? |
| 23:28.30 | arunreddy | if you are new to that framework.. it ll be pretty difficult to come up with deadlines..a nd stufff |
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| 23:28.40 | rkatiyar | provide as much description of idea, is that you mean by "in and out"? |
| 23:28.59 | arunreddy | U have goal infront of you..but you exactly dunno how to reach it.. |
| 23:29.08 | rkatiyar | arunreddy: you get about 1 month time (between 20 april to 23 may) |
| 23:29.23 | arunreddy | in and out means -- knowing abt the things.. |
| 23:29.24 | rkatiyar | which is between getting selected to start coding |
| 23:29.30 | Catfish_Man | arunreddy: one way to estimate times is by doing an initial prototype of the idea beforehand |
| 23:29.33 | rkatiyar | much time to know about things |
| 23:30.07 | arunreddy | if thats the case.. without knowing much how can you fix the rough deadlines that you will do this by this date like that... in my application.. |
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| 23:30.23 | zaki84__ | arunreddy: maybe by contacting the proposed mentor for that project and asking him for help... |
| 23:31.24 | arunreddy | Catfish_Man : Can we avail some help from the mentor.. regarding that..? |
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| 23:31.47 | Catfish_Man | arunreddy: certainly. You can ask mentoring organizations about anything you like |
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| 23:31.52 | Catfish_Man | (although they don't have to answer) |
| 23:31.59 | arunreddy | zaki84__ : Thanks nice idea. |
| 23:32.12 | zaki84__ | np :) |
| 23:32.51 | rkatiyar | Catfish_Man: lol |
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| 23:33.02 | arunreddy | Catfish_Man : what do you mean by that. ? Its depends on mentors...? |
| 23:33.09 | arunreddy | and organisations.. |
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| 23:33.43 | ojwb | yes |
| 23:33.44 | zaki84__ | arunreddy: of course, the more complete answer, or the way I'm planing to do that is to find a project, do some planing what I'm going to do and then contacting the organization for help on estimation... |
| 23:33.54 | Catfish_Man | arunreddy: they're just people. If you ask them questions, perhaps they'll have answers :) |
| 23:34.20 | arunreddy | cool. |
| 23:34.21 | ojwb | they're likely to be more helpful in response to "are these estimates reasonable?" than "how long will this take me?" |
| 23:34.45 | ojwb | show you've thought about it and worked on it, rather than that you're asking them to do your work for you |
| 23:34.55 | rkatiyar | indeed |
| 23:35.12 | rkatiyar | people love to suggest, rather that answer :P |
| 23:35.13 | arunreddy | ofcourse.!!! |
| 23:35.31 | ojwb | as a generally point, people will respect and help you more if you show you've already tried to help yourself |
| 23:35.47 | zaki84__ | you mean, first do your homework, then ask other people for help :) |
| 23:35.50 | arunreddy | Atleast they got to guide for a kick start right..? |
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| 23:36.05 | ojwb | zaki84__: exactly |
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| 23:36.52 | ojwb | applies to life really, but perhaps especially to open source projects, where it isn't someone's job to help |
| 23:36.57 | rkatiyar | arunreddy: feel free to join mailing lists and ask questions, you will find more polite replies than you expected. open source quys are cool |
| 23:37.07 | Catfish_Man | rkatiyar: well... mostly ;) |
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| 23:37.20 | rkatiyar | :) |
| 23:37.21 | arunreddy | yeah.. !! |
| 23:37.22 | ojwb | as long as they aren't FAQs |
| 23:37.32 | redrebel | do you have to be a student to participate in gsoc? |
| 23:37.36 | ojwb | yes |
| 23:37.38 | straydawg | idd yes |
| 23:37.44 | arunreddy | i posted 2 .. waiting past 24 hrs.. got to see.!!! |
| 23:37.45 | ojwb | well, to participate as a student |
| 23:37.51 | straydawg | oh. yes id ojwb |
| 23:37.52 | ojwb | anyone can mentor |
| 23:37.53 | arunreddy | no reply till now..!! |
| 23:38.05 | WinterMute | yeah, really - *don't* ask a FAQ, it's not pretty :p |
| 23:39.17 | WinterMute | arunreddy, be patient, they may have a lot of applications to trawl through |
| 23:39.20 | ojwb | arunreddy: you shouldn't expect an instant answer |
| 23:39.42 | arunreddy | Hmmm.. |
| 23:39.46 | arunreddy | Definitely..!! |
| 23:40.08 | WinterMute | if the orgs you applied to have IRC channels you could go there and check out the activity |
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| 23:40.48 | WinterMute | piece of advice, hang around for a little bit & watch the conversation, don't go barging in and ask if they've seen your application straight away |
| 23:40.49 | ojwb | but again, you may not get an instant response - ask and hang around for a few hours |
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| 23:41.26 | WinterMute | that too |
| 23:42.11 | zaki84__ | And check the archives... |
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| 23:43.04 | redrebel | i'm taking business classes at a jc, can I participate in the gsoc? |
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| 23:46.17 | arunreddy | yep |
| 23:46.35 | arunreddy | Thanks guys .. for all your valued suggestions :) |
| 23:50.23 | rkatiyar | any mentors from opensuse community here ? |
| 23:52.06 | ojwb | you're better off trying a project's own irc channel(s) for people from a particular project |
| 23:52.44 | nixbox | ojwb, i have tried two project channels without any luck :P |
| 23:52.59 | rkatiyar | ojwb: same here |
| 23:53.05 | ojwb | how long did you give them? |
| 23:53.05 | kloeri | nixbox: be more patient then or try their mailing list |
| 23:53.10 | ojwb | people may not be in your timezone |
| 23:53.18 | nixbox | kloeri, i am trying the mailing list now |
| 23:53.28 | ojwb | sees so many people join, ask a question, and leave 10 minutes later |
| 23:53.29 | rkatiyar | ojwb: so many people idle there but none replying |
| 23:53.41 | nixbox | ojwb, yeah you are right, it hasn't been long |
| 23:53.52 | ojwb | yes, a lot of people are connected but not at their computers |
| 23:53.52 | kloeri | rkatiyar: most people probably can't answer |
| 23:54.05 | ojwb | if you ask and wait, people will see when they return |
| 23:54.14 | ojwb | and indeed, many may not know the answer |
| 23:54.42 | rkatiyar | ojwb: me too sitting idle on that channel, waiting till eternity before someone replies :) |
| 23:54.57 | ojwb | also annoying are people who say "can I ask a question?" so you have to say "yes" and then wait for them to return... |
| 23:55.30 | kloeri | don't assume that lots of people in an irc channel or on a mailing list means quick answers - there's lots of things that might prevent that like timezones, people having lives besides the computer stuff or simply not knowing the answer(s) to your question |
| 23:55.51 | ojwb | i'm always connected to a handful of channels, even if I go on holiday for 3 weeks |
| 23:56.18 | ojwb | it means I have logs to check to see if I missed anything relevant |
| 23:56.50 | kloeri | ojwb: yeah, I do the same thing |
| 23:57.15 | arunreddy | One thing i like at sahana. : |
| 23:57.26 | arunreddy | they say DONT ASK TO ASK, JUST ASK |
| 23:57.35 | ojwb | !ask |
| 23:57.35 | socinfo | "ask" is don't ask to ask, just ask! |
| 23:57.47 | arunreddy | wow..!! |
| 23:57.50 | arunreddy | thats cool |
| 23:58.06 | ojwb | you should assume it as a rule of any irc channel, I'd say |
| 23:58.34 | arunreddy | hmm |
