| 00:00.31 | TBOL3 | efes: Meaning one sided, or unfair. |
| 00:00.32 | monsieurp | cipta: I don't really know the stats, just check the pasts GSoC and count how many projects were accepted |
| 00:00.48 | monsieurp | cipta: this link should help you -> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 00:00.49 | efes | Thx :) I have one more unknown word... gimme a moment. |
| 00:01.09 | Abadaar | sure thing :) |
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| 00:02.37 | efes | TBOL3, Next 3 words 7:20 "because it's SC??? an(d?) ???? " |
| 00:02.44 | cipta | monsieurp: thanks |
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| 00:03.33 | Abadaar | "scratching an itch" |
| 00:03.38 | efes | Uff... :) |
| 00:03.40 | TBOL3 | efes: scratching an itch |
| 00:03.44 | efes | But what does it mean? :) |
| 00:03.59 | Abadaar | something that they want to fix |
| 00:04.00 | TBOL3 | efes: It means that they see a problem with the way the world works |
| 00:04.01 | efes | I thought it, but couldn't find it in dictionary |
| 00:04.06 | TBOL3 | and so they want to fix it. |
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| 00:04.09 | efes | Okey! Thxxx! :) |
| 00:04.27 | TBOL3 | Do you know what an itch is? |
| 00:04.38 | efes | yeap :) |
| 00:04.46 | TBOL3 | Ok, sorry than. |
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| 00:04.57 | TBOL3 | So, what is your native language? |
| 00:05.09 | monsieurp | <- french |
| 00:05.12 | efes | Polish :) |
| 00:05.59 | efes | itch = feel a longing, or just irritation of skin. |
| 00:06.12 | efes | That are the meanings I know |
| 00:06.14 | Abadaar | I thought I saw a polish version of that video on youtube earlier |
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| 00:06.24 | TBOL3 | Yup. And you know what scratching is? |
| 00:06.34 | TBOL3 | BTW: It's ok if you don't get it, it's an idiom. |
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| 00:07.00 | efes | TBOL3 I didn't know. |
| 00:07.29 | TBOL3 | Ok, to scratch is when you rub your finger nails up and down on your skin. |
| 00:08.23 | monsieurp | TBOL3: try to apply for a teaching english project :P |
| 00:08.34 | Abadaar | hehe |
| 00:08.55 | TBOL3 | monsieurp: he, he. No, I'm really bad at languages. |
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| 00:09.10 | TBOL3 | as you can see by my excelent spelling. :) |
| 00:09.19 | efes | TBOL3, what is your native language? |
| 00:09.24 | monsieurp | is english your native language ? |
| 00:09.26 | monsieurp | efes: :D |
| 00:09.40 | monsieurp | *top* |
| 00:09.46 | TBOL3 | English. I'm trying (and failing) to learn spanish. |
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| 00:10.05 | monsieurp | try to learn french.. |
| 00:10.13 | efes | TBOL3, USA, Australia, UK ? |
| 00:10.40 | TBOL3 | USA. But the IB program has gotten me to use a few bit of UK english. |
| 00:10.51 | efes | monsieurp, I heard french isn't easy at all |
| 00:10.52 | thomastc | hah, good for you :) |
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| 00:11.34 | TBOL3 | I heard that japanees is much harder than french. But at the same time, my friend is really good at japanease, but can't learn french. |
| 00:11.39 | monsieurp | efes: I know :] |
| 00:11.46 | TBOL3 | Anyway, so what are some of your project ideas? |
| 00:12.31 | monsieurp | in French, I would say "top secret" |
| 00:12.45 | efes | monsieurp, people say that Polish is one of the hardest language. Well... our grammar is just terrible. Even Polish (Poles) have often problem with it :/ |
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| 00:14.12 | monsieurp | efes: ahah, I've never tried slavic languages |
| 00:14.30 | thomastc | would like to learn Japanese someday |
| 00:14.53 | Abadaar | too |
| 00:15.10 | mmu_man | EBUSY |
| 00:15.26 | TBOL3 | What do you guys thing of esperanto? |
| 00:15.27 | mmu_man | chinese first :D |
| 00:15.47 | efes | monsieurp, Good. There's no need to learn Slavic. They're hard, useless (for foreigners) and business doesn't seem to be interested in looking for slavic languages translators. |
| 00:16.49 | thomastc | TBOL3: I think esperanto is useless... it's supposed to be a "neutral" language but it's based very much on Spanish (IIRC) |
| 00:16.57 | efes | TBOL3, do you really think that English will lost his position of being business language? |
| 00:17.13 | thomastc | which makes it easy to learn for western europeans but not easier for anyone else |
| 00:17.48 | efes | tries learn Dutch, but he hasn't motivation :/ |
| 00:19.09 | thomastc | no reason to learn Dutch indeed, we all speak English anyway ;) |
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| 00:20.26 | efes | well... I should polish my English too. Dutch is wonderful (to me). I like it ;] Last year in first payment period I was talking (here) with guy from Nederlands and I told him I will buy a good dictionary and I am learning. After a week I realized that there's no Polish->Dutch language. I lost my motivation :( xD |
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| 00:23.04 | ojwb | efes: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s02.html |
| 00:23.05 | efes | thomastc, is English your mother tongue too ? |
| 00:23.13 | ojwb | re "scratching an itch" |
| 00:23.16 | lh | efes: pr means public relations, which means this is the marketingy talk about why gsoc is cool |
| 00:24.51 | efes | :) |
| 00:25.40 | thomastc | efes: no, Dutch, but people tell me I'm fluent in English |
| 00:26.00 | ojwb | a lot of dutch people seem to be |
| 00:26.12 | mmu_man | actually french is still the universal language like 300y ago. It's just some ppl forgot it :P |
| 00:26.32 | thomastc | yah, I forgot French too ;) |
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| 00:27.41 | efes | thomastc, Dutch? xD Wow... you could be my next motivation xD |
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| 00:30.50 | ojwb | coo, the day/night separator lines on the gnome timezone view are vertical today - I guess that's because it's the equinox |
| 00:31.43 | thomastc | ojwb: heh, cool, never thought about that |
| 00:31.51 | ojwb | me neither |
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| 00:32.19 | thomastc | and if it updates at *exactly* the right moment it'll give a division by zero ;) |
| 00:33.28 | MatthewWilkes | Does anyone know how to give a hard drive a proper funeral? :( |
| 00:33.46 | ajuonline | burn it. r.i.p. |
| 00:33.58 | thomastc | MatthewWilkes: does it still spin? |
| 00:34.19 | thomastc | then, given enough time, you can make a plexiglass window in it |
| 00:34.27 | thomastc | so you can see the platters spinning and the heads moving |
| 00:34.29 | Lezard | dunno xD i have 4 to bury here |
| 00:34.43 | thomastc | or you can play the star wars theme on it :) |
| 00:34.49 | MatthewWilkes | thomastc: Yeah, just click of death |
| 00:35.08 | thomastc | sucks... any important data on it? |
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| 00:35.59 | MatthewWilkes | thomastc: Nah, just TV |
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| 00:36.20 | MatthewWilkes | points out he has a TV tuner |
| 00:36.24 | MatthewWilkes | *ahem* |
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| 00:40.13 | theConfuser | hard drives are tough, the last one i threw out i resovled to open itup and smash the platters with a hammer |
| 00:40.20 | theConfuser | they were too hard |
| 00:40.38 | theConfuser | i didn't even dent them |
| 00:40.42 | theConfuser | it was nice to see them though |
| 00:41.27 | theConfuser | when we actually submit applications as students, we'll submit them to the Google SOC site rather than the mentors, right? |
| 00:43.47 | ojwb | believes so |
| 00:44.03 | ojwb | but the process isn't the same as last year |
| 00:44.13 | theConfuser | is there a way we can see what that form will look like where we'll upload? i think there's no link yet |
| 00:44.27 | ojwb | it may not have been written yet! |
| 00:44.35 | theConfuser | this will be my first year applying so it will be new to me regardless :) |
| 00:44.40 | ojwb | but you can look at the melange test site |
| 00:44.48 | ojwb | url in topic |
| 00:44.55 | theConfuser | !topic |
| 00:44.55 | socinfo | "topic" is read it. |
| 00:44.59 | theConfuser | hahah |
| 00:45.35 | ojwb | the channel topic - you saw it when you connected, and it's likely at the top of the window, or somewhere accessible |
| 00:45.53 | theConfuser | right-- i'm familiar with IRC but the topic is too long to fit in my window title bar |
| 00:45.59 | theConfuser | i thought there was a command to see it |
| 00:46.00 | ojwb | "Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - see This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc" |
| 00:46.07 | theConfuser | i got it though |
| 00:46.09 | theConfuser | thanks |
| 00:46.30 | ojwb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.01 | theConfuser | thanks |
| 00:47.07 | ojwb | socinfo: forget topic |
| 00:47.08 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 00:47.31 | ojwb | socinfo: learn topic as Read it! "/topic" will show it again. |
| 00:47.31 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 00:48.22 | theConfuser | from reading some of the project sites it looks like each one has a slightly different application form, and some don't have one. does that sound right? |
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| 00:49.35 | monsieurp | mutt users here? |
| 00:50.49 | efes | Abadaar, did you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGF0s11-6s&feature=channel_page when you told that you saw polish version? |
| 00:50.57 | mmu_man | zz |
| 00:51.32 | Abadaar | efes, yep |
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| 00:52.02 | efes | Abadaar, yeah... I made this translation too xD But I'm talking about another one movie ;] |
| 00:52.04 | lh | theConfuser: yes that's right |
| 00:53.18 | Abadaar | efes, cool. I saw now that that one wasn't the Philip Johnson video. :P |
| 00:55.47 | Abadaar | gah, so many projects to choose between! |
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| 01:00.24 | Dario_Andres | Hi everyone. According to http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_docs I need to register as student in order to know which documentation I need to present in order to register me as a student for a project? |
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| 01:05.54 | futsuriai | Hello, just curious if I am US permanent resident but will not be in the US for most of the summer, what kind of financial doc. do I need? |
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| 01:13.08 | lh | futsuriai: work authorization to work in country where you will be. i have no idea what tax form you would need to file. you would have to ask the IRS |
| 01:13.25 | lh | you'd be classed as a contractor working for hire and would be given a 1099 if you were in the us |
| 01:13.41 | lh | Dario_Andres: you dont need to provide any documentation until you are asked for it |
| 01:13.45 | lh | updates the faq |
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| 01:15.37 | Dario_Andres | lh: thanks.. when I will be asked about it ? I'm switching university right now I don't know when the change is going to be finished... |
| 01:16.53 | lh | Dario_Andres: it's not that big of a deal don't worry about it |
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| 01:16.57 | lh | we are patient about those things |
| 01:17.05 | lh | and you have like a month before you start coding anyway |
| 01:17.30 | Dario_Andres | ok, thanks for you help lh :) |
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| 01:17.39 | lh | Dario_Andres: yw |
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| 01:22.38 | futsuriai | lh, but what if I will be spending time in 3 countries during the summer? |
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| 01:23.09 | lh | futsuriai: whoa. |
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| 01:23.39 | lh | futsuriai: honestly, i think if you're traveling that much you're not going to have time to do the program. that and you would still need work authorization in every sngle country. |
| 01:23.43 | lh | why so many places? |
| 01:24.16 | antarus | I would say if you are traveling that much forgo work and enjoy yourself |
| 01:24.16 | antarus | ;p |
| 01:25.32 | futsuriai | lh, well, at the beginning I will be in Canada because I am studying there, then I will go to Venezuela to be with some family, then to the US, most likely... but I won't be doing anything in them so I will have a lot of free time |
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| 01:26.58 | relix | I'm wondering if there are any other applicants who have exams in the GSOC period |
| 01:27.05 | lh | futsuriai: so here's the deal. after paying taxes in three different countries - because you'll have to - i am not sure how much cash you will have left. and you need work authorization in all three. |
| 01:27.13 | lh | relix: many. |
| 01:27.26 | Abadaar | me for example |
| 01:27.33 | relix | and how many of those applicants get accepted? ;) |
| 01:27.42 | relix | so it's not a big deal then? |
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| 01:28.01 | relix | because I can imagine not spending more than an hour or two a day in that period |
| 01:28.08 | ojwb | relix: just tell the org when they are and when you can work |
| 01:28.44 | relix | right |
| 01:28.47 | ojwb | sometimes students start to actually code a bit early too (in the bonding period) |
| 01:28.52 | ojwb | but that doesn't always fit either |
| 01:28.57 | relix | I was thinking of doing that |
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| 01:29.17 | relix | I take it it's not possible to move the deadlines a month |
| 01:29.31 | relix | cause then it'd fit perfectly |
| 01:29.37 | antarus | relix: negative |
| 01:29.45 | relix | didn't think so |
| 01:30.03 | relix | oh well, this just adds to the excitement when you do succeed |
| 01:30.18 | antarus | heh |
| 01:30.22 | antarus | just don't overburden yourself ;) |
| 01:30.25 | relix | if... |
| 01:30.34 | lh | relix: many |
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| 01:31.14 | scorche|sh | keep in mind that you dont have to start when it says you start coding...you can always get on it during that nice long initiation period, take a break for finals/etc, then get back on it to finish up |
| 01:31.18 | ojwb | uhoh, lh is stuck in a loop! |
| 01:31.44 | relix | scorche|sh: but what about, for example, the 6th of July deadline |
| 01:31.53 | lh | generally speaking, students in .eu end up with exams in mid-June, though some as late as mid-July. the entire southern hemisphere is in school. the us school schedule doesnt map so well either, but better. central america, exams in early june. south america depends heavily on where. |
| 01:32.09 | relix | that's interesting lh |
| 01:32.18 | amit8-88 | hi lh :) |
| 01:32.34 | relix | any idea how many students will be accepted this time around? |
| 01:32.38 | lh | relix: i spend too much time with calendars |
| 01:32.42 | lh | relix: that's in the faq |
| 01:32.45 | relix | lh apparently |
| 01:32.47 | lh | !faq |
| 01:32.47 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 01:32.52 | lh | amit8-88: hello |
| 01:32.57 | scorche|sh | relix: what about it?...just work with your mentors about scheduling stuff around your other engagements |
| 01:32.58 | relix | woops |
| 01:33.00 | Sirp | lh: I remember that Rusty Russell told me he had met with you to discuss the possibility of making SoC more friendly for the southern hemisphere....did anything ever come of that idea? :) |
| 01:33.27 | scorche|sh | lh: i hear we got our '07 PO...thanks |
| 01:33.29 | ojwb | rename it to the "Google Season of Code" |
| 01:33.39 | lh | scorche|sh: dont thank me thank ellen |
| 01:33.57 | scorche|sh | lh: she isnt in channel atm, so can i thank her by proxy? ;) |
| 01:34.08 | relix | scorche|sh: I think I'd be behind on schedule at that point |
| 01:34.22 | lh | Sirp: first we had no humans, but money. then economy took a dive, and so budgets for new programs, not so much. we have humans now though. things will get better and then we shall reinvestigate. |
| 01:34.23 | phrozn0 | !faq |
| 01:34.24 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 01:34.24 | relix | because of the finals just before it |
| 01:34.29 | ojwb | relix: you define your schedule though |
| 01:34.34 | lh | Sirp: tell rusty that ccan needs to fill it's info pronoto |
| 01:34.43 | relix | ojwb: ah, ok |
| 01:34.49 | lh | scorche|sh: yes you can |
| 01:34.57 | scorche|sh | relix: like i said...just work with your mentors...if the mentors are happy with the arrangement, then all is well |
| 01:35.00 | lh | s/info/info in |
| 01:35.12 | ojwb | you should be approx on track to that, so if that allows for a break for exams, and the org agree to it, all is good |
| 01:35.17 | amit8-88 | lh:Now I can see LimeSurvey on the org list and I guess we have filled the organization profile too :) |
| 01:35.19 | lh | ojwb: sauce of code. |
| 01:35.22 | lh | amit8-88: yes you have |
| 01:35.24 | ojwb | tasty! |
| 01:35.28 | lh | indeed. |
| 01:35.32 | Landon | open sauce your code! |
| 01:35.34 | lh | is going to watch torchwood |
| 01:35.36 | Sirp | lh: ahhh cool. And I will if I talk to him anytime soon.... |
| 01:35.37 | lh | bbl y'all |
| 01:35.40 | lh | Sirp: merci |
| 01:35.42 | scorche|sh | torchwood \o/ |
| 01:35.54 | amit8-88 | lh: was just curious if we can have the link-id changed ? |
| 01:36.21 | relix | thanks lh |
| 01:36.21 | scorche|sh | lh: dont make me send the BSG box set to your house when it comes out |
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| 01:36.29 | nixbox | is there any sort of geographical quota for student applications? |
| 01:36.38 | amit8-88 | changed to limesurvey ? |
| 01:36.41 | lh | scorche|sh: mrph |
| 01:36.48 | lh | amit8-88: i dont think we're doing that |
| 01:36.50 | lh | file a bug |
| 01:36.52 | lh | !bugs |
| 01:36.52 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 01:37.07 | ojwb | hmm, 147 orgs in the list apparently |
| 01:37.12 | ojwb | are we losing them? |
| 01:37.14 | scorche|sh | lh: seriously...BSG is still spic |
| 01:37.16 | amit8-88 | ok sure I will ask the admin to do that |
| 01:37.18 | scorche|sh | epic too |
| 01:37.52 | relix | scorche|sh: no spoilers on the finale! |
| 01:38.04 | scorche|sh | relix: i wouldnt wish spoilers on anyone |
| 01:38.07 | ojwb | ah, I don't see php or ccan, who were in the "still to do profile" list which we no longer seem to have |
| 01:38.11 | relix | I'm avoiding most social interaction because of it |
| 01:38.19 | relix | until I've seen it |
| 01:38.26 | ojwb | but python and limesurvey are listed who were also on that list |
| 01:38.31 | scorche|sh | i would recommend you get off of IRC then |
| 01:38.43 | relix | scorche|sh: can't. addicted. |
| 01:38.51 | lh | ojwb: they should be on the secondary list now |
| 01:38.53 | scorche|sh | i know the feeling.. |
| 01:39.31 | ojwb | odd |
| 01:39.37 | ojwb | I reloaded and now have a secondary list |
| 01:39.50 | ojwb | it's almost like this is being rewritten around me |
| 01:40.41 | ojwb | ah, it seems I had an old bookmarked url |
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| 01:53.36 | eakwarren-afk | hey lh, you around? feel free to IM me as I'm wondering how Friday went :-) |
| 01:53.57 | lh | eakwarren-afk: friday? |
| 01:54.15 | eakwarren | reference email from glFusion... |
| 01:54.34 | lh | eakwarren: ah clarity |
| 01:54.40 | eakwarren | :-)\ |
| 01:55.00 | lh | eakwarren: http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/FOSS_Mentor_Projects |
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| 01:55.11 | antarus | doesn't get BSG |
| 01:55.15 | antarus | is late coming to chat conversation |
| 01:55.46 | chx | you do not get BSG? in what sense? saw it and cant understand or the TV where you are does not air it ? |
| 01:55.50 | chx | i can help the latetr. |
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| 01:56.42 | thomastc | luckily, some questionably legal websites can :) |
| 01:56.45 | lh | wanders back to novel |
| 01:57.04 | thomastc | lh: whatcha reading? |
| 01:57.21 | thomastc | if I may ask :) |
| 01:58.26 | antarus | no I meant like I don't get the appeal ;p |
| 01:58.41 | scorche|sh | feh |
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| 02:01.21 | Landon | !orgsbylang |
| 02:01.22 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 02:02.18 | phrozn0 | !orgs |
| 02:02.18 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 02:02.57 | theConfuser | the "Register as a Student Link" is not supposed to work until student apps are accepted Monday, right/ |
| 02:03.04 | eakwarren | lh: so the idea then is to add our org's info to the Project Help Wanted Listings section on that wiki page? |
| 02:06.05 | relix | is the fact that you've applied for several organizations shared with the organizations, which could interpret it as a sign that you're not totally devoted to their cause instead of a way to maximize your chances? |
| 02:06.54 | scorche|sh | relix: we dont know who you applied for unless they want to accept you |
| 02:07.51 | codestasher | scorche|sh: wht r the projects u r mentoring for |
| 02:08.30 | scorche|sh | codestasher: ugh...please speak real english please...it may be just a few extra keystrokes, but it will improve your image in here considerably |
| 02:08.40 | relix | scorche|sh: ok thanks |
| 02:08.45 | scorche|sh | removes one of the previous "please"s |
| 02:08.46 | codestasher | :) |
| 02:09.14 | scorche|sh | codestasher: Rockbox and Sugar Labs |
| 02:09.24 | codestasher | ok |
| 02:10.20 | relix | the OpenStreetMap file format idea sounds very intrigueing |
| 02:10.40 | relix | I thought it was a solved problem - how to save coordinates to maximize accesstime |
| 02:11.02 | relix | this one's hitting all my buttons |
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| 02:12.06 | gotmountains | hello tehre |
| 02:12.08 | gotmountains | there* |
| 02:12.12 | scorche|sh | then go talk to them about it =) |
| 02:12.20 | gotmountains | i'd like to participate |
| 02:12.26 | gotmountains | is it open to high school students? |
| 02:12.32 | scorche|sh | !faq |
| 02:12.32 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 02:12.35 | scorche|sh | gotmountains: ^^ |
| 02:12.37 | relix | gotmountains: are you over 18? |
| 02:12.40 | gotmountains | i already read that |
| 02:12.41 | gotmountains | no |
| 02:12.43 | gotmountains | i'm 16 |
| 02:12.43 | relix | scorche|sh: oh I will, I will |
| 02:12.54 | scorche|sh | gotmountains: then you are ineligible for GSoC this year...sorry |
| 02:12.55 | relix | gotmountains: than you aren't eligible, sorry |
| 02:12.59 | gotmountains | darn it |
| 02:13.07 | relix | see it this way |
| 02:13.09 | gotmountains | for when i'm older |
| 02:13.13 | relix | you've got two years to prepare |
| 02:13.19 | gotmountains | how experienced of a programmer must i be? |
| 02:13.23 | relix | work on open source projects, hone your programming skills, etc |
| 02:13.24 | amit8-88 | gotmountains: no worries you can still contibute to FOSS |
| 02:13.27 | gotmountains | i know some c++ |
| 02:13.33 | gotmountains | more c# |
| 02:13.38 | gotmountains | a tiny bit of C |
| 02:13.50 | gotmountains | i understand some basic x86 assembly concepts |
| 02:13.59 | scorche|sh | gotmountains: just keep learning and working away ;) |
| 02:14.01 | gotmountains | ok |
| 02:14.12 | gotmountains | what exactly do the students do? |
| 02:14.18 | gotmountains | in the gsoc program |
| 02:14.25 | scorche|sh | as amit8-88 said, you can still get involved in FOSS organizations |
| 02:14.35 | amit8-88 | gotmountains: they learn and have fun ;) |
| 02:14.35 | antarus | whenever I give talks at university everyone wants to know what skills they need |
| 02:14.36 | relix | gotmountains: maybe you read a differint faq |
| 02:14.42 | gotmountains | are they building their own app with support from the mentor company? |
| 02:14.42 | antarus | the primary skill is always communicating ;) |
| 02:14.56 | gotmountains | or are they helping develop an existing OSS program? |
| 02:15.00 | gotmountains | or both? |
| 02:15.06 | antarus | gotmountains: both |
| 02:15.09 | gotmountains | ok |
| 02:15.13 | scorche|sh | gotmountains: read the FAQ linked above ;) |
| 02:15.16 | gotmountains | hey, thanks for being so helpful |
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| 02:15.25 | gotmountains | are you guys google employees? |
| 02:15.27 | antarus | although in my expeirence the latter tends to be better |
| 02:16.07 | antarus | gotmountains: no, not everyone here works for google. |
| 02:16.18 | gotmountains | but some do? |
| 02:16.28 | thomastc | but google works for all of us ;) |
| 02:16.34 | antarus | at least 3 or 4 ;p |
| 02:16.38 | gotmountains | haha, true, thomastc |
| 02:16.48 | gotmountains | that's kind of cool |
| 02:16.49 | codestasher | nice one thomastc |
| 02:16.53 | gotmountains | ok, well i better get going |
| 02:17.01 | antarus | doesn't keep track of who is a googler in here |
| 02:17.05 | gotmountains | thanks for answering my noob questions |
| 02:17.05 | antarus | but you damn opers always confuse me |
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| 02:17.16 | gotmountains | see ya |
| 02:17.30 | omniter | gday, gsoc =) |
| 02:17.31 | antarus | scorche|sh: also what is the 'sh' in your nick? :) |
| 02:17.47 | antarus | you running your irc client on superH or something ;p |
| 02:17.49 | scorche|sh | antarus: what is "sh" in *nix terminology? |
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| 02:17.59 | the9a3eedi | shell |
| 02:18.04 | Landon | it means shhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:18.07 | the9a3eedi | wut |
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| 02:18.19 | thomastc | sh does not do irc afaik :P you need at least nc for that :P |
| 02:18.29 | relix | nonsense! |
| 02:18.33 | the9a3eedi | well |
| 02:18.36 | relix | just cat to the right device |
| 02:18.37 | the9a3eedi | you can use a shell script :P |
| 02:18.42 | relix | echo sorry |
| 02:18.47 | thomastc | oh, not true... when compiled with the right flags you get a fake thingy in /dev |
| 02:19.04 | antarus | thomastc: sh should be bourne shell |
| 02:19.09 | antarus | and that doesn't have compile support for /dev/tcp |
| 02:19.18 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. I've been looking at KDE ideas, specifically amarok. Some ideas require me to know KDE-libs. I wonder if there's a nice tutorial out there to KDE-libs.. |
| 02:19.18 | thomastc | oh, my bad :) |
| 02:19.19 | antarus | because its not in the posix spec |
| 02:19.23 | the9a3eedi | or like a guide or something |
| 02:19.28 | Landon | whois mithro |
| 02:19.31 | Landon | doh |
| 02:19.42 | antarus | hands Landon a / |
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| 02:20.09 | thomastc | slash! ah-ahhhh! saviour of the universe! |
| 02:20.40 | thomastc | ... sorry, won't happen again |
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| 02:20.47 | Abadaar | :D |
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| 02:21.11 | the9a3eedi | http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/ ah there we go |
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| 04:00.38 | mithro | we haven't really had the same influx of people we have had in previous years |
| 04:01.12 | codestasher | any reasons for that??? |
| 04:01.24 | ojwb | we as in thousand parsec, or #gsoc or ? |
| 04:01.26 | scorche|sh | it doesnt seem like it...though i must admit that this year it seems that we have had a nice number of really good students talking to us before the application period |
| 04:02.51 | ojwb | fwiw, we haven't had as much interest in swig so far as last year |
| 04:03.22 | ojwb | though my memory of exactly when we heard from people last year is hazy |
| 04:04.32 | ojwb | was expecting more student interest in hard times, as the other options for summer jobs are likely more limited |
| 04:04.46 | caden_ | they may be more interested in a sure thing |
| 04:05.00 | ojwb | yeah, that's true |
| 04:05.11 | caden_ | when you're desperate for work it's hard to put aside a lot of time to research and fill out proposals |
| 04:05.20 | ojwb | though if you actually do the work, gsoc is a fairly sure thing once you're accepted |
| 04:05.38 | caden_ | and i should hope people do the work after all that trouble :) |
| 04:05.45 | ojwb | the enquires so far seem fairly promising at least |
| 04:05.58 | caden_ | what project(s) are you working with? |
| 04:06.16 | ojwb | aside from an apparently spammed enquiry about cross-language information retrieval |
| 04:06.25 | ojwb | caden_: for gsoc, swig |
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| 04:09.27 | caden_ | one of the projects i was just looking for mentioned swig but it wasn't the swig project... i think it was the opencog framework |
| 04:09.35 | caden_ | yes they want a wrapper for their apis |
| 04:09.57 | caden_ | i am not familiar with swig aside from looking it up just now but it looks like a good idea |
| 04:10.29 | ojwb | there was one for another org that wasn't accepted too |
| 04:11.18 | Landon | yeah, summer job prospects look like crap |
| 04:11.22 | Landon | other than soc :\ |
| 04:11.24 | ojwb | and there's "add support for scilab to swig" which is currently listed by both us and scilab |
| 04:11.51 | ojwb | it will be interesting to see how the stats plan out |
| 04:12.04 | ojwb | perhaps the reduced intake has put off some students |
| 04:12.31 | ojwb | hopefully mainly the less promising ones... |
| 04:12.36 | Landon | heh :P |
| 04:12.44 | ojwb | the org applications were down, but higher quality it seems |
| 04:12.45 | caden_ | as a first timer i have to say the application process is a little intimidating |
| 04:12.56 | Landon | I'll probably domore applications than last year |
| 04:13.00 | caden_ | well that makes things easier, right? |
| 04:13.08 | Landon | to even out the numbers, yaknow |
| 04:13.15 | Landon | ;) |
| 04:14.30 | antarus | swig is scary |
| 04:14.49 | caden_ | SWIG is not exactly what they're teaching in compsci 101 :) |
| 04:15.07 | caden_ | it looks very practical though, i like projects that i can imagine using the output |
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| 04:15.41 | caden_ | i could have sworn i had a link to 2008 student proposals that were accepted, does anyone have that link? |
| 04:17.05 | caden_ | or was that a dream i had |
| 04:17.23 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 04:17.27 | ojwb | and click on each project |
| 04:17.37 | ojwb | there may be an all-in-one elsewhere though |
| 04:21.39 | caden_ | these must be the abstracts, they are pretty short |
| 04:21.52 | ojwb | yes |
| 04:22.12 | ojwb | you may be able to find the full applications for some by searching for the name and/or a phrase from the abstract |
| 04:22.36 | ojwb | I know ours are on our wiki |
| 04:23.32 | caden_ | i'm having the problem that the ones that i'm qualified for i seem to be overqualified for, and the ones that i would like to stretch for are nearly insane |
| 04:23.44 | caden_ | there's quite a spread |
| 04:24.03 | ojwb | if you have a good idea, most orgs are happy to accept student-proposed projects |
| 04:24.13 | ojwb | or you can talk to them about adapting an existing idea |
| 04:25.11 | caden_ | i'm also curious as to how other people are building detailed project timelines from such brief idea abstracts |
| 04:25.36 | ojwb | well first you need to turn the brief abstract into a more detailed plan |
| 04:25.46 | ojwb | hopefully other people are, or it'll all end badly! |
| 04:26.31 | caden_ | but isn't part of good software process collecting requirements from the people who are actually shareholders? |
| 04:26.59 | ojwb | talk to the org's community then |
| 04:27.24 | caden_ | fair enough |
| 04:27.28 | omniter | are there any Ogre mentors here or students interested in Ogre? =\ |
| 04:27.36 | ojwb | sometimes there's a link to an existing ticket in the bug tracker, or mailing list discussion |
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| 04:31.15 | caden_ | goes to look up Ogre |
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| 04:34.37 | caden_ | there are quite a few 3d graphics projects i noticed |
| 04:34.55 | caden_ | i would think students would be all over them |
| 04:35.14 | omniter | lol, maybe they are, they're just not active right now... |
| 04:36.09 | omniter | i'm feeling lonely. the only other guy to have posted in the Ogre forum for GSoC is a guy who implemented Geometry Shaders last summer... i feel so... alone... :( |
| 04:36.38 | ojwb | omniter: it's OK, they'll get at least 2 slots! |
| 04:37.22 | omniter | oh haha, cool. but i wasn't saying i was worried. it's just so empty. =\ |
| 04:38.02 | omniter | something like 70% of ogre users are students. i thought they might all come out and flood the forum or something |
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| 04:41.09 | poona | is there any registration for gsoc mentors or it through the organization alone? |
| 04:41.34 | omniter | the orgs decide on their mentors |
| 04:41.52 | joeyadams | The mentor application period was last week |
| 04:41.58 | omniter | but you still have to let google know somehow |
| 04:42.21 | omniter | and yeah it's late =\ |
| 04:43.04 | poona | oh |
| 04:43.10 | poona | looks like i missed the train |
| 04:43.13 | thomastc | ah, SWIG... that ended up saving me a lot of headaches, but causing new ones elsewhere in my brain ;) |
| 04:43.16 | poona | any links |
| 04:43.34 | poona | whom will i have to email. lh? |
| 04:44.16 | ojwb | you should be able to become a mentor at any point |
| 04:44.28 | ojwb | at least, that's what lh said recently |
| 04:44.53 | Ori_B | yeah. org registration is over, but new mentors can definitely be added. |
| 04:44.57 | Ori_B | although don't ask me how |
| 04:45.04 | ojwb | I think melange allows you to request to be a mentor |
| 04:45.11 | ojwb | the org can also invite you |
| 04:45.31 | omniter | Ori_B... i've seen you somewhere before? =D maybe in gamedev or ogre? |
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| 04:47.04 | Ori_B | maybe somewhere, but not those places :P |
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| 04:47.16 | Ori_B | I haven't really been doing 3d game stuff. |
| 04:47.33 | Ori_B | I'm in something like 12 channels on freenode though... |
| 04:48.20 | omniter | oh... weird. maybe i stumbled into gsoc last year.. |
| 04:48.27 | Ori_B | perhaps. |
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| 04:53.04 | Rakesh_R_Ganatra | hii all |
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| 04:55.54 | califus | mohit der? |
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| 05:03.15 | hwked | !orgs |
| 05:03.16 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 05:10.11 | poona | looked it the site allowed me to register |
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| 05:13.00 | omniter | woa... someone sabotaged the crystalspace gsoc page: http://trac.crystalspace3d.org/trac/CS/wiki/SoC |
| 05:13.04 | omniter | it says BUGspace =\ |
| 05:13.19 | omniter | should someone let them know? |
| 05:14.08 | caden_ | is there any chance they did that for some reason |
| 05:14.17 | caden_ | like is it supposed to mean something |
| 05:14.21 | caden_ | like here's your chance to fix bugs |
| 05:14.31 | omniter | =\ really? |
| 05:14.36 | omniter | i'll go ask then i guess |
| 05:14.38 | caden_ | i don't know, i'm just asking |
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| 05:21.18 | ojwb | it's not just that page |
| 05:21.27 | omniter | yeah, i asked them |
| 05:21.28 | ojwb | someone's vandalise the wiki's logo somehow it seems |
| 05:21.38 | caden_ | :( |
| 05:21.39 | omniter | they said it was originally a bugtracker page |
| 05:21.41 | omniter | it's intentional |
| 05:21.42 | omniter | lol |
| 05:21.48 | caden_ | it's intentional? |
| 05:21.51 | omniter | yes |
| 05:21.57 | caden_ | heh |
| 05:22.00 | omniter | strangely |
| 05:22.00 | ojwb | quality graphics work there then |
| 05:22.01 | omniter | =\ |
| 05:22.06 | omniter | ojwb, LOL |
| 05:22.07 | caden_ | HAHAHAH |
| 05:22.13 | caden_ | MS Paint quality |
| 05:23.43 | arunreddy | !next |
| 05:23.44 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 05:24.05 | arunreddy | !timeline |
| 05:24.05 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 05:27.00 | sourcemorph | hi califus |
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| 06:29.40 | PulpFictionPB | neone is active in this channel? |
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| 06:31.05 | ecin | PulpFictionPB: only us. |
| 06:31.22 | omniter | i am |
| 06:31.23 | PulpFictionPB | ok cool. i have a question. i have been going through the previous year GSoCs |
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| 06:32.40 | PulpFictionPB | and one thing i am not clear. when i submit an application, do i get a chance to submit an abstract too? |
| 06:32.51 | PulpFictionPB | like the one i have found on the previous year GSoC pages |
| 06:33.29 | PulpFictionPB | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/kde/appinfo.html?csaid=7AA48D3A91ED286 |
| 06:33.51 | PulpFictionPB | like for example this, it has only the abstract. does google itself cut the application or do i get a chance to write the abstract myself? |
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| 06:35.07 | omniter | I'd say they cut it themselves |
| 06:35.17 | omniter | but that's just a guess |
| 06:35.31 | PulpFictionPB | omniter: u new to GSoC/ |
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| 06:35.56 | FallenDevil | PulpFictionPB, I am alive too :-) |
| 06:35.58 | FallenDevil | !logs |
| 06:35.59 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 06:36.12 | summatusmentis | Landon: wait, thinking about getting a mac laptop? |
| 06:36.24 | PulpFictionPB | FallenDevil: help me then plesae! |
| 06:36.39 | ecin | PulpFictionPB: makes sense that you write the abstract yourelf. |
| 06:36.40 | FallenDevil | what is your problem? |
| 06:36.50 | ecin | Unless google is once again trying their summarization technology. |
| 06:36.56 | omniter | PulpFictionPB, yeah i am lol. =D |
| 06:37.11 | FallenDevil | PulpFictionPB, you should submit abstract :-) |
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| 06:37.58 | PulpFictionPB | i will be submitting a text only application, right? |
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| 06:38.13 | PulpFictionPB | so is it ok if i include a link to a PDF version within the text? |
| 06:41.20 | PulpFictionPB | feels everyone is sleeping . |
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| 06:46.30 | summatusmentis | PulpFictionPB: I'm not sleeping, but I should be |
| 06:47.36 | FallenDevil | PulpFictionPB, you can add links to 3rd party files, but i am not sure that posting proposal in PDF is a good idea |
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| 06:49.06 | antarus | PulpFictionPB: I think pdfs are fine for most folks |
| 06:49.10 | antarus | PulpFictionPB: I know they are fine for my org ;p |
| 06:50.04 | ecin | If anything, just ask your organization before submitting. |
| 06:50.12 | summatusmentis | last year I feel like Google gave us straight text boxes to paste our proposal into |
| 06:50.49 | ecin | summatusmentis: have your projects picked? |
| 06:51.08 | summatusmentis | ecin: I'm applying to OpenAFS, my org from last year |
| 06:53.21 | ecin | Hope ya get in. |
| 06:53.57 | ecin | Am I the only one who feels there should be some forums for GSoC students during the application process? Perhaps to help with common question and curiosities? |
| 06:53.59 | summatusmentis | I don't see any reason why I wouldn't, but thanks |
| 06:54.16 | summatusmentis | generally that's what this is used for |
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| 07:04.43 | ecin | PulpFictionPB: which project are ya applying to? |
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| 08:11.43 | ecin | Anyone working on their application? |
| 08:12.16 | llnz | !next |
| 08:12.17 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 08:19.48 | omniter | ecin, nah. |
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| 08:20.27 | omniter | i'm spending some time discussing my proposal with the community. they're more likely to like an application for which THEY had some input. |
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| 08:20.59 | omniter | but i guess you can call that "working on the application", too |
| 08:21.04 | ecin | Certainly. |
| 08:21.12 | ecin | I should prolly try to do the same. |
| 08:21.31 | ecin | I'm thinking I should do the same. |
| 08:21.38 | ecin | And I just repeated myself... gosh it's late. |
| 08:23.58 | omniter | heh... i'm stayin all the way up til morning =D |
| 08:24.07 | omniter | i slept all day yesterday... |
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| 08:24.48 | omniter | most of the admins and mentors in my organization are in europe, and my sleep cycle happens to sync with theirs, hehe |
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| 08:25.17 | omniter | not intentionally of course... i'm just nocturnal by nature =) |
| 08:29.48 | ecin | So, what do I have to say to the Rails community... |
| 08:30.59 | c_schmitz | hmpf |
| 08:31.12 | c_schmitz | trying to accept the invite for organization admin |
| 08:31.15 | ecin | No, no, I have more to say than 'hmpf'. |
| 08:31.19 | c_schmitz | but the page hangs on me every time I do |
| 08:31.45 | ecin | Tell the page you dislike it being so needy, hanging on you so often. |
| 08:31.55 | c_schmitz | won't help |
| 08:32.05 | ecin | I guess it's just lonely. |
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| 08:32.41 | c_schmitz | something is messed up server-side I guess |
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| 08:51.30 | ecin | just added the GSoC calendar to his Google calendar. |
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| 08:53.01 | omniter | ecin, thank you. that's one less person coming in here and typing !next every once in a while. -_- |
| 08:53.43 | omniter | i just type "gsoc" into my browser, and it takes me to the bookmarked gsoc site, where all the information is available. |
| 08:55.36 | ecin | Price to pay for convenience, ne? |
| 08:56.09 | omniter | omg did you just say ne? lol |
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| 09:01.42 | mordante | !timeline |
| 09:01.42 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 09:07.57 | ranjith | hi |
| 09:09.08 | rohityadav | Hi all. CAn anyone tell me how to create patches? |
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| 09:09.47 | ajuonline | google |
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| 09:09.59 | ajuonline | hey jasebo , you finally awake? :P |
| 09:10.16 | jasebo | :-) I've been out a bit this weekend |
| 09:10.42 | ajuonline | jasebo: congratulations! :) |
| 09:10.52 | ajuonline | i hope you got-da-news ;) |
| 09:10.59 | jasebo | thanks ajuonline :) We're so thrilled |
| 09:11.16 | amit8-88 | ajuonline: ^ |
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| 09:11.34 | ajuonline | jasebo: you want me to put up a video of amit8-88 of the results day :P |
| 09:11.45 | jasebo | lol |
| 09:11.46 | ajuonline | all stressed |
| 09:11.49 | amit8-88 | ajuonline: no please ;) |
| 09:12.01 | jasebo | you should see me when it finally dawned on me what the emails meant |
| 09:12.15 | mordante | rohityadav, depends on whether you're using svn git etc or just plain files and your OS |
| 09:12.16 | jasebo | classic double-take |
| 09:12.26 | ajuonline | awesome :P |
| 09:12.30 | amit8-88 | wow |
| 09:15.43 | fuzzybyte | how many hours till 23rd 19:00 |
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| 09:16.35 | ajuonline | worldtimeserver.com |
| 09:16.39 | ajuonline | fuzzybyte: ^ |
| 09:19.26 | omniter | hey guys, is there a reason i might wanna submit earlier rather than later? i mean, it doesn't make sense to me in this case that preference should be given to early applicants. but i might be wrong... |
| 09:20.02 | omniter | i mean... if you spend the time to really build a strong application, isn't that what counts? |
| 09:20.34 | kblin | omniter: there's multiple aspects to this |
| 09:20.42 | fuzzybyte | omniter: you get feedback from the mentors earliear |
| 09:20.45 | ojwb | i'd try to avoid submitting one minute before the deadline at least |
| 09:20.55 | ojwb | that's a warning sign to me... |
| 09:20.58 | fuzzybyte | and you can improve your application |
| 09:21.00 | ajuonline | i submitted 40 minutes before deadline last year |
| 09:21.02 | ecin | And you can have revisions. |
| 09:21.22 | ajuonline | but then, the later you submit, the later your app gets reviewed |
| 09:21.22 | fuzzybyte | ajuonline: did it go through? |
| 09:21.29 | omniter | oh wait... you can revise and resubmit?! i didn't know that haha |
| 09:21.31 | ecin | I recall reading somewhere, for an org, "All of our accepted applicants had at least 3 revisions on their applications." |
| 09:21.40 | ajuonline | i think last year we could review |
| 09:21.48 | omniter | oh okay... i thought they were revised before submitting |
| 09:21.49 | ojwb | I bet you can this year too |
| 09:21.49 | ajuonline | and revise upto the deadline. |
| 09:21.58 | ojwb | that's how it worked for org apps |
| 09:22.04 | ajuonline | yup |
| 09:22.25 | ajuonline | or accurate confirmation on this, please visit #melange to get the official take on this :P |
| 09:22.28 | ajuonline | lol |
| 09:22.40 | ojwb | i'd suggest either submit as early as you're ready and expect to iterate, or iterate before you submit |
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| 09:24.07 | kblin | right, if a student talked to me about his application prior submitting, I don't mind if she submits in the last minute |
| 09:24.50 | kblin | but don't expect to get it right on the first try without talking to the mentoring org |
| 09:25.19 | kblin | I think the last years you could add comments to your app, but only in reply you got to comments from the reviewers |
| 09:25.34 | thiago_home | I think you could always add comments |
| 09:25.43 | thiago_home | but to modify the text, only in reply to comments by mentors |
| 09:26.22 | kblin | thiago_home: I think you're right.. you could always add comments |
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| 09:28.03 | omniter | kblin, that's what i was thinking. i wasn't thinking of "building a strong app" on my own, of course :P |
| 09:28.26 | omniter | that would just be foolish |
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| 09:29.22 | ojwb | thiago_home: that sounds familiar |
| 09:29.25 | kblin | omniter: you would be surprised how many people do think it was possible to do that |
| 09:29.35 | ojwb | even after the submission deadline (but you had to have submitted something before it) |
| 09:31.40 | omniter | well, i read the advice on the site, and i think it'd be best to follow it. =P |
| 09:32.21 | thebolt | kblin: yea.. even i who spent last three years evaluating applications don't think i'll get it all right from first try (But maybe a bit closer to okay ;) |
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| 09:42.34 | ajuonline | o.o o.O |
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| 09:45.14 | antarus | bah |
| 09:45.21 | antarus | just got paged for a leaky root |
| 09:45.23 | antarus | roof* |
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| 09:52.27 | kblin | antarus: well, as a techie, you'd certainly be able to fix it ;) |
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| 09:54.06 | ojwb | so you've got a local roof compromise on your hands? |
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| 09:56.56 | antarus | I have an 'antarus is giong to bed because he has no equipment in that building but got paged at 3am anyway' |
| 09:56.59 | antarus | ;p |
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| 10:22.25 | ecin | How can writing the description of a project be so hard? |
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| 10:23.43 | antarus | ecin: it turns out often project requirements are the hardest part ;p |
| 10:24.28 | ecin | To makes things worse, I wrote a description once, and I don't simply want to copy paste it to another mailing list as the audience is slightly different. |
| 10:24.51 | ecin | So, I'm trying very hard not to repeat myself wholly, and am failing miserably. :P |
| 10:24.54 | AlekSi | I may write it in your blog and give links. |
| 10:25.04 | AlekSi | I -> you |
| 10:25.15 | ecin | If you're so kind to offer... |
| 10:25.22 | AlekSi | :P |
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| 10:26.22 | ecin | And this is more of a descriptive abstract. Writing an actual application is going to be... interesting. |
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| 10:28.06 | ojwb | it's hard for everyone |
| 10:28.23 | ojwb | so although yours might not be perfect, neither are any of the others |
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| 10:36.24 | vanRossum | is back. |
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| 10:44.22 | HanzZ | has just finished with application, he's going to open a beer :) |
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| 10:48.34 | ecin | HanzZ: nice! Which project are you applying to? |
| 10:48.36 | uzytkownik | Hello. Is there any information what I have to do with local tax collectors (to be specific - in Poland)? I found on GSoC only information about US. |
| 10:49.03 | HanzZ | pidgin -> libpurple - xmpp (jabber) transport |
| 10:49.04 | AlekSi | uzytkownik: notning |
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| 10:50.23 | uzytkownik | AlekSi: Is such information be known in local google office or contacting them is waste of time? |
| 10:50.35 | uzytkownik | (Mine and their) |
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| 10:50.59 | AlekSi | afaiu, Google will pay all taxes |
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| 10:52.38 | uzytkownik | AlekSi: However I'm afraid that I'll have to fill some local forms anyway. At least to get a tax number. |
| 10:52.58 | AlekSi | uzytkownik: You don't need a tax number |
| 10:53.18 | AlekSi | anyway, I think this info will be in students maillist |
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| 10:53.28 | AlekSi | after start of program |
| 10:53.46 | ecin | HanzZ: did you use any application as a reference? |
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| 10:54.19 | uzytkownik | AlekSi: I don't mean US tax number. I mean local (polish). |
| 10:54.23 | HanzZ | well, I have been asking google for "my summer of code application" |
| 10:54.37 | AlekSi | uzytkownik: I'm not in USA too. :) |
| 10:54.38 | HanzZ | there are some successful applications |
| 10:55.20 | uzytkownik | AlekSi: I know. I (well - my program) have the ability to check it. Probably by IP but anyway. |
| 10:55.34 | AlekSi | :) |
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| 11:24.52 | derkaiser | hi,i will be graduated in July, so can i apply gsoc as a student? |
| 11:25.04 | Abadaar_ | yes |
| 11:25.13 | derkaiser | thanks |
| 11:26.05 | Abadaar_ | as long as you are enrolled as a student on the 20:th of April, you can apply |
| 11:27.37 | derkaiser | ok, i see, thank you |
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| 11:28.17 | Abadaar | derkaiser, you're welcome |
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| 12:08.37 | vanRossum | can one attend with more than one project? |
| 12:09.34 | vanRossum | to gsoc? |
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| 12:10.03 | smtms | vanRossum, one can apply with multiple project proposals |
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| 12:10.10 | smtms | vanRossum, see the FAQ for this and other questions |
| 12:10.23 | vanRossum | smtms: sorry i've missed that part |
| 12:14.45 | andrecastelo | !timeline |
| 12:14.45 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 12:19.51 | schlangen | Hi, what exactly is a student? |
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| 12:20.52 | nextgens | hi |
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| 12:21.28 | kblin | schlangen: in the context of gsoc, a person who is enrolled in an officially accredited educational institution and older than 18 years by april 20, iirc |
| 12:21.31 | Abadaar | schlangen, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
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| 12:22.16 | schlangen | Is German gymnasium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(school)) part of that? |
| 12:22.37 | HanzZ | if you are student and you are older that 18, you can participate |
| 12:22.49 | HanzZ | this is what lh said |
| 12:23.15 | schlangen | fine :) |
| 12:26.06 | nextgens | how can one edit tags on delicious? |
| 12:26.13 | nextgens | do I need an account for that? |
| 12:26.26 | nextgens | has been waiting for the confirmation email for 30min already |
| 12:26.30 | ojwb | use the account/password posted to the mentors list |
| 12:26.35 | nextgens | ah |
| 12:26.37 | nextgens | hmm |
| 12:26.41 | nextgens | must have missed it |
| 12:26.57 | ojwb | it was a few days ago |
| 12:27.45 | nextgens | found it, thanks |
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| 12:27.50 | ojwb | cool |
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| 12:30.31 | mib_0uetho | !orgbylang |
| 12:30.31 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 12:39.49 | muthu | hi, is there any specific channels for wordpress? |
| 12:41.08 | Abadaar | #wordpress-dev |
| 12:41.55 | muthu | thank you abadaar |
| 12:42.17 | Abadaar | np |
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| 12:43.25 | hwked | Can I apply to the same organization for two different ideas? |
| 12:43.35 | dhaun | yes |
| 12:43.36 | HanzZ | I think yes |
| 12:43.57 | kblin | yes, but I doubt you'd get on the ranked list twice |
| 12:44.18 | ojwb | best to talk to them first and see what they'd prefer |
| 12:44.18 | kblin | I'd talk to the mentoring org before applying twice |
| 12:44.48 | hwked | ojwb: right |
| 12:44.58 | HanzZ | btw, is somewhere described how "choosing students" works? |
| 12:45.16 | omniter | the organizations decide how they choose students |
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| 12:45.24 | omniter | google decides how many slots each organization gets |
| 12:45.41 | omniter | and there's a meeting to sort out students who get on different organizations' accepted lists |
| 12:45.44 | HanzZ | so my application goes straight to organization, true? |
| 12:45.55 | omniter | no, i believe it goes through google |
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| 12:46.08 | omniter | but the organization is the one that assesses you |
| 12:46.11 | ojwb | it's in the documentation on socghop |
| 12:46.14 | dhaun | nope, straight to the orgs |
| 12:46.26 | omniter | dhaun, straight TO the orgs, but you apply through google |
| 12:46.33 | dhaun | you have to use the webapp provided by Google, though |
| 12:46.40 | omniter | yeah, sorry, that's what i meant |
| 12:46.44 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 12:46.45 | dhaun | but nobody at Google will look at it |
| 12:46.49 | omniter | exactly ^ |
| 12:46.52 | HanzZ | that's what I meant, too :) |
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| 12:47.05 | HanzZ | ok thanks :) I will read that |
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| 12:53.56 | vanRossum | how is everyone deciding which project to do? based on interests or based on capability? |
| 12:54.49 | kblin | a combination of both is ideal |
| 12:54.49 | IwikiwI | a few extra hours can make for the lack of capabilities, but nothing can supplant having a good interest. |
| 12:55.42 | kblin | but as IwikiwI says, good interests are what'll keep you going |
| 12:56.17 | ruturaj | I am trying to reach Pradus irc channel, it says I am banned..? |
| 12:56.44 | vanRossum | what if you are interested in everything related to comupters =) |
| 12:56.51 | oguz | ruturaj: pardus? |
| 12:58.01 | kblin | ruturaj: some channels have a generic mibbit ban |
| 12:58.26 | omniter | vanRossum, then choose based on your capabilities. unless you're saying you're good at everything related to computers too. |
| 12:58.54 | MaNI | I am sure you are more interested in some things then in others |
| 12:58.54 | kblin | ruturaj: what's the channel? |
| 12:59.17 | ruturaj | #pardus-devel |
| 13:00.10 | kblin | ruturaj: yep, they're banning mibbit users |
| 13:01.28 | ruturaj | kblin: I am behind a proxy I cant connect directly due to restrictions , any other possibility to connect to them? |
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| 13:01.53 | ojwb | mailing list? |
| 13:01.54 | kblin | ruturaj: dunno. email I guess |
| 13:02.07 | kblin | ruturaj: I just checked their ban-list |
| 13:02.29 | omniter | has anyone here ever programmed the most absurd little things that are personally useful, but feel like they somehow "shouldn't" be coded? |
| 13:02.33 | ruturaj | email hasnt been replied, maybe today is sunday, and maybe due to time zone differences. |
| 13:03.03 | ojwb | might be other irc web gateways that are less abused and not banned I guess |
| 13:03.15 | kblin | ruturaj: you could try to find a different ... what ojwb said |
| 13:03.27 | ojwb | how long did ago did you email? |
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| 13:03.29 | omniter | like... a program to take the %2F %3A and crap out of certain links? or a program to clean up a porn folder? |
| 13:03.42 | kumarabhi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.48 | MaNI | omniter, sounds like a job for sed |
| 13:03.53 | ojwb | and rm |
| 13:03.57 | kitallis | kumarabhi: what you mean by this time? |
| 13:03.58 | omniter | MaNI, who's sed |
| 13:04.08 | MaNI | sed is a linux command |
| 13:04.10 | kblin | omniter: I'm a Wine developer, so I sometimes need to implement bugs that exist in windows |
| 13:04.10 | kitallis | lol |
| 13:04.15 | ruturaj | thanx I Shall give it a try |
| 13:04.17 | kblin | omniter: does that count? |
| 13:04.21 | omniter | kblin, lulz |
| 13:04.24 | MaNI | " sed - stream editor for filtering and transforming text" |
| 13:04.36 | omniter | MaNI, ah. too bad i use windows lol |
| 13:04.49 | MaNI | there is a slightly less capable windows version |
| 13:04.59 | kblin | whoa |
| 13:05.10 | MaNI | http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:05.20 | kumarabhi | kitallis:i mean what should have been accomplished by an applicant by this time |
| 13:05.23 | kumarabhi | ? |
| 13:05.23 | kblin | what is it with gsoc students not groking IRC at all? |
| 13:05.35 | kblin | that student was in the channel less than a minute |
| 13:05.41 | omniter | like when i look through my project folder, a lot of my completed projects are small, sketchy things lol |
| 13:05.49 | kitallis | kumarabhi: there no such rule, take your time |
| 13:06.08 | kitallis | kumarabhi: do you clearly know on what project to apply? |
| 13:06.20 | kitallis | project(s) |
| 13:06.54 | muthu | I could not get any response in wordpress-dev channel. Are there any wordpress mentors here? |
| 13:07.17 | omniter | i made a little program that i carry with me everywhere on my USB. when i go to someone's house and i like their music, this utility, when placed in their music folder, makes a tree listing of all their songs, their artists and albums, and saves it off. so when i get home, i can download them. =) |
| 13:07.20 | ojwb | muthu: unlikely to be awake ones here if not there |
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| 13:07.22 | ruturaj | ojwb: today morning IST, thats abt 12 hrs before.. |
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| 13:07.46 | ojwb | muthu: ask your question and wait for a reply - it might be hours before anyone is awake |
| 13:07.50 | Abadaar_ | omniter, nice one |
| 13:07.51 | kitallis | omniter: that's pretty cool |
| 13:07.58 | muthu | ho |
| 13:07.58 | kumarabhi | kitallis:ya i know my projects and i am still working on them. But i am not interacting with orgs about my ideas! will it harm me ? |
| 13:08.02 | ojwb | ruturaj: you shouldn't really expect a reply so quickly |
| 13:08.07 | muthu | so the time variation is the problem |
| 13:08.11 | omniter | =D |
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| 13:08.23 | ojwb | muthu: yeah |
| 13:08.29 | muthu | ok |
| 13:08.32 | kitallis | kumarabhi: it may, my project org doesn't have much scope for comm as they don't have proper channel |
| 13:08.36 | muthu | i will come back in 3-4 hours |
| 13:08.36 | ojwb | or you asked a question nobody can answer... |
| 13:08.48 | kitallis | kumarabhi: you might consider sending them test applications |
| 13:09.09 | kitallis | kumarabhi: like alpha, beta and stuff |
| 13:09.12 | LaurieJ | IRC isn't widely used in all OSS projects. We use it rarely - email lists and IM and skype calls are much more used |
| 13:09.24 | muthu | i didnt post any questions yet, I just want to discuss about my project plan |
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| 13:09.50 | omniter | and for when i'm feeling lonely, i made my own screensaver that flashes random bright colors, so i turn off the light and have a little one-man rave party... *sigh* |
| 13:09.54 | kitallis | kumarabhiL: there's more than a week left, consider irc talks, put up ideas |
| 13:10.13 | kitallis | kumarabhi: email test applications |
| 13:10.18 | omniter | just tons of crap like that in my completed projects folder lol. |
| 13:11.15 | Crome | who can tell me. i have exams in june. may i participate anyway? |
| 13:11.26 | kitallis | Crome: i too have |
| 13:11.38 | muthu | crome: this is exam season for all |
| 13:11.43 | kitallis | Crome: tell the project guys abt them |
| 13:11.53 | omniter | Crome, you decide how much time you have to dedicate to the project. you work out a schedule. as long as the amount of work you propose is decent, and you keep to it, you can participate |
| 13:12.23 | Crome | ok, thanks. |
| 13:12.24 | omniter | but yeah in your application, MOST organizations ask for a schedule of some sort |
| 13:12.32 | LaurieJ | our project will be v happy with students who admit to having exams/family vacations/whatever - if you tell us in advance, that's superb |
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| 13:13.11 | omniter | LaurieJ, what if they admit to planning on spending half their summer getting high? =D |
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| 13:13.48 | omniter | about 1/5 of the computing majors at my school do that, lol |
| 13:13.58 | LaurieJ | omniter: I should have added, within reason :) |
| 13:14.13 | LaurieJ | omniter: but then we're also going to be picking the best |
| 13:14.51 | omniter | i forgot, what's the command to kill your ghost on IRC? |
| 13:15.08 | omniter | or is that a bot command =\ |
| 13:16.44 | sid0 | /msg nickserv ghost <nick> |
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| 13:17.11 | sid0 | with the password added after that, if you haven't identified into the same group already |
| 13:19.10 | omniter | ah that's it. thanks sid |
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| 13:33.13 | kumar_ | kitallis:what is meant by test apps |
| 13:33.14 | kumar_ | ? |
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| 13:46.21 | ecin | stumbles into the room. |
| 13:46.44 | ecin | Last pre-application day! |
| 13:47.34 | p_l | and some are getting late.... >_< |
| 13:48.06 | ecin | Getting late? |
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| 13:48.31 | p_l | ecin: still haven't really chosen the project ^^; |
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| 13:49.14 | p_l | I have to get it done fast though, to know whether to take on any more jobs |
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| 13:50.19 | Abadaar | p_l, I am in the same situation :) |
| 13:50.51 | p_l | well, in the extreme.... I can work 80h/week |
| 13:51.07 | smtms | p_l, you can't |
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| 13:51.39 | thiago_home | it's not a sprint, it's a marathon |
| 13:51.50 | HanzZ | :) |
| 13:51.59 | p_l | heh. Good to know :) |
| 13:53.30 | sid0 | !orgbylang |
| 13:53.31 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 13:55.36 | mib_44kx21 | test |
| 13:56.06 | easwar | lol,I was going to reassure him he was connected |
| 13:56.36 | devvrat | :) |
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| 14:00.04 | _raz_ | we have some website rewrite proposal (requiring a real big task of programming and application/database design) - is that likely to be accepted (bye google)? |
| 14:00.14 | _raz_ | *by - not bye |
| 14:00.56 | _raz_ | there are several reasons how that would help the project, but it would not be related to the project's code itself |
| 14:03.09 | devvrat | _raz_: bring your idea in front of the orgs |
| 14:04.10 | _raz_ | devvrat: that would be the next task - the question is just, whether google will keep its hand on such proposals and reject them - regardless of the org's opinion |
| 14:04.38 | _raz_ | so in general - as long as it's not pure documentation - it's up to the orgs to decide |
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| 14:28.44 | easwar | !timeline |
| 14:28.44 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 14:31.06 | amit8-88 | !orgbylang |
| 14:31.07 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 14:31.40 | uzytkownik | Am I understand correctly that the "Register as student" link will be active on 23 March 2009 19:00 UTC? |
| 14:32.03 | kblin | uzytkownik: probably active, yeah |
| 14:32.23 | kblin | uzytkownik: all times are estimated times :) |
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| 14:32.43 | uzytkownik | kblin: Ok. I just wanted to be sure it is not 'too late' |
| 14:32.53 | amit8-88 | !list |
| 14:32.53 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 14:32.58 | amit8-88 | !next |
| 14:32.58 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 14:58.55 | kitallis | the aplication template is just the format right? i can include a few small little details if i'd like to? |
| 14:59.20 | LaurieJ | I would expect so. Certainly for my org I'm happy with extra info |
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| 14:59.37 | kitallis | LaurieJ: okay |
| 15:00.16 | Ivanovic | i think most orgs just have the template as some "what we at least would get to know about you"-sheet |
| 15:00.34 | Ivanovic | most orgs explicily favor students who are more in contact with them |
| 15:01.02 | Ivanovic | as in: communicate via irc/mail/forum/whatever so that they get to know the ones they might be working with over the next months |
| 15:01.35 | araujo | morning |
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| 15:02.01 | AlekSi | good evening :P |
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| 15:02.09 | LaurieJ | afternoon :) |
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| 15:05.29 | kitallis | can anyone help me in finding out the correct network for this irc channel? http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/fsij |
| 15:06.26 | Ivanovic | short guess: freenode |
| 15:06.31 | kitallis | empty |
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| 15:09.18 | Ivanovic | kitallis: to be honest: no idea then |
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| 15:09.44 | Ivanovic | send a mail to their mailling list stating that you want to work with them as summer of code student and would like to know the irc channel |
| 15:09.58 | Ivanovic | (also asking them to add the channel in the gsoc application overview) |
| 15:10.20 | kitallis | Ivanovic: thanks, and you probably mean the network |
| 15:10.29 | Ivanovic | correct |
| 15:10.41 | PulpFictionIN | looking at the previous year GSoC Pages and the accepted proposals, do we get a chance to write the abstract or does google do that? |
| 15:11.14 | Ivanovic | PulpFictionIN: google only provides the server with the webforms |
| 15:11.18 | Ivanovic | (and the payment) |
| 15:11.24 | Ivanovic | you will have to do the rest all yourself |
| 15:11.55 | Ivanovic | or do you mean some specific news/blog/whatever post? |
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| 15:12.43 | kitallis | Ivanovic: srry, this is a bit lame, what could be the mail subject? (pls don't laugh) |
| 15:12.51 | PulpFictionIN | Ivanovic: i meant, does google shorten the application to make the abstract, or o we get somewhere to type it?} |
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| 15:13.18 | Ivanovic | PulpFictionIN: which abstract do you *exactly* mean? |
| 15:13.39 | Ivanovic | you mean the stuff you enter in the form when you describe who you are and what your proposal ist? |
| 15:13.43 | Ivanovic | s/ist/is |
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| 15:14.03 | Ivanovic | there everything comes from you |
| 15:14.09 | kitallis | Ivanovic: no i mean the Subject you type into the email |
| 15:14.09 | LaurieJ | kitallis: i'd just say "looking for your IRC channel" |
| 15:14.15 | kitallis | ok |
| 15:14.16 | Ivanovic | though there might be some "maximum characters allowed" list |
| 15:14.26 | Ivanovic | s/list/variable |
| 15:14.35 | Ivanovic | kitallis: irc, multitasking, answering PulpFictionIN |
| 15:15.13 | Ivanovic | s/multitasking/multithreaded |
| 15:18.07 | PulpFictionIN | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/abisource/appinfo.html?csaid=F102ECEB1494F970 |
| 15:18.09 | PulpFictionIN | see this for example |
| 15:18.11 | PulpFictionIN | the abstract here. |
| 15:19.16 | PulpFictionIN | and same goes for such abstracts all over the site! |
| 15:20.01 | PulpFictionIN | wat i m asking, when i get to submit the appplication, do i get an abstract box and then the application box. or only an application box (and the abstract is shortened to by google only?) |
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| 15:21.25 | Ivanovic | PulpFictionIN: why don't you just wait till you got the form to fill in your stuff? |
| 15:21.32 | Ivanovic | then you will see what exactly you get |
| 15:22.00 | PulpFictionIN | Ivanovic: cause if they give a seperate box for abstraact,i need to write that. else i will just focus on the whole thing. that is why? |
| 15:22.04 | Ivanovic | short version: probably you have to fill the abstract yourself with a max number of chars allowed (maybe 150 or something like this) |
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| 15:22.08 | easwar | Ivanovic, I think PulpFictionIN is asking so he can prepare an abstract beforehand instead of an extempore application |
| 15:22.26 | PulpFictionIN | easwar: exactly :D |
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| 15:22.33 | Ivanovic | in general the abstract does not say too much about your project, the main text is what matters |
| 15:22.52 | ecin | So, show of hands, everyone here has their application primed and ready? |
| 15:22.57 | ecin | I'm falling behind! |
| 15:23.07 | Ivanovic | the main text and the communication you have with the org (which is not visible directly in any form) |
| 15:23.14 | PulpFictionIN | Ivanovic: is it ok i write less content in the main ASCII text application box and then link to some external PDF? |
| 15:23.30 | Ivanovic | PulpFictionIN: depends on your org, ask them |
| 15:23.37 | PulpFictionIN | thanks. |
| 15:23.45 | Ivanovic | the orgs that mentor are the ones deciding what exactly they allow/want to see/whatever |
| 15:24.08 | Ivanovic | at wesnoth we came to the conclusion that we can only accept students who communicate well via irc with us |
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| 15:24.25 | Ivanovic | since we made the experience that this is the best way to solve problems fast and to keep in touch |
| 15:24.51 | smtms | Ivanovic, do present-day students know what IRC is? |
| 15:25.02 | Ivanovic | smtms: several do |
| 15:25.18 | ecin | We certainly do, don't we? |
| 15:25.20 | Ivanovic | smtms: and at wesnoth we do explicitly state that they have to join irc at the top of the ideas page |
| 15:25.26 | vinc456 | what's IRC? |
| 15:25.47 | Ivanovic | if they don't know irc, they can still ask via mail or in the forums |
| 15:26.01 | thomastc | vinc456: it's like Microsoft Live Messenger, but without nudges |
| 15:26.04 | Ivanovic | would expect from a student who wants to successfully participate in SoC to be able to use google |
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| 15:26.24 | Ivanovic | and search engines like google or others will tell you what this strange word means |
| 15:27.49 | Upthorn | It is also like twitter, but not completely idiotic. |
| 15:28.04 | Ivanovic | it is like "it just works" |
| 15:28.05 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 15:28.28 | smtms | I like the "multiplayer notepad" explanation |
| 15:28.42 | p_l | as well as "programmin language" ;-) |
| 15:28.49 | Erant | Won't most opensource coders already know about IRC? :/ |
| 15:28.51 | devilsadvocate | irc has survived the test of time |
| 15:29.59 | Ivanovic | Erant: and those who don't know it would disqualify in the process of applying when they are not able to "research" on their own |
| 15:30.18 | Ivanovic | (hey, ain't this part of higher education, learning to research stuff on your own?) |
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| 15:31.59 | ecin | !list |
| 15:31.59 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 15:32.05 | ecin | !orgs |
| 15:32.05 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 15:33.19 | AlekSi | really, where is ubuntu? |
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| 15:33.33 | smtms | !ubuntu |
| 15:33.34 | socinfo | Error: "ubuntu" is not a valid command. |
| 15:34.28 | Egis | "Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009" |
| 15:34.34 | Egis | from mailing list |
| 15:34.51 | AlekSi | whoa |
| 15:35.19 | thiago_home | ask them why they chose to withdraw |
| 15:36.00 | ecin | "They just wanted to know they could." |
| 15:36.32 | summatusmentis | araujo: you around? |
| 15:37.30 | summatusmentis | socinfo: learn ubuntu as "Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009" |
| 15:37.30 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:37.33 | summatusmentis | !ubuntu |
| 15:37.33 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
| 15:37.58 | summatusmentis | socinfo: learn ubuntu as '"Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009\" |
| 15:37.58 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:38.02 | summatusmentis | !ubuntu |
| 15:38.02 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is (#1) Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009, or (#2) '"Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009\" |
| 15:38.07 | summatusmentis | crap |
| 15:38.13 | summatusmentis | socinfo: forget ubuntu |
| 15:38.13 | socinfo | Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 15:38.18 | summatusmentis | socinfo: forget ubuntu * |
| 15:38.19 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:38.43 | AlekSi | socinfo: learn ubuntu as "Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009" |
| 15:38.44 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:38.49 | AlekSi | !ubuntu |
| 15:38.49 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
| 15:38.54 | AlekSi | nice bot :) |
| 15:39.08 | summatusmentis | yeah, I was trying to get the quotes around it |
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| 15:39.14 | Upthorn | learn ubuntu as Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they withdrew from GSoC2009 because they are jerks. |
| 15:39.36 | Upthorn | (definitional. Only jerks would withdraw from GSoC) |
| 15:39.43 | AlekSi | ocinfo: learn ubuntu as ""Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009"" |
| 15:39.49 | AlekSi | socinfo: learn ubuntu as "Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009" |
| 15:39.50 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:39.54 | AlekSi | !ubuntu |
| 15:39.55 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is (#1) Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009, or (#2) Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
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| 15:40.07 | AlekSi | socinfo: forget ubuntu 2 |
| 15:40.08 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:40.11 | AlekSi | !ubuntu |
| 15:40.12 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
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| 15:41.45 | kitallis | how to subscribe to a mailing lsit? |
| 15:41.55 | dannyb | wow just wow |
| 15:42.09 | smtms | kitallis, which one? |
| 15:42.26 | kitallis | fsij-gsoc2009@qwik.jp |
| 15:42.32 | ady1111 | who is from google? |
| 15:42.35 | smtms | hmm, never heard of this one |
| 15:43.00 | kitallis | aren't those usually with subscribe as body or subjects? |
| 15:43.09 | smtms | kitallis, as instructions are list-specific, you should look for information by the guys that set that list up |
| 15:43.20 | kitallis | ok |
| 15:43.29 | smtms | kitallis, usually you don't mail the subscribe command to the list e-mail address |
| 15:44.31 | kitallis | smtms: ok, i figured out everytthing was in japaneese , sheesh |
| 15:45.31 | smtms | kitallis, you sound unhappy about it |
| 15:45.49 | haoyu | !ubuntu |
| 15:45.49 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
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| 15:45.56 | dhaun | hmm, looking at our organization profile, we should probably have given the URL for the mailing lists, not the email addresses |
| 15:46.03 | dhaun | goes to change that ... |
| 15:46.10 | haoyu | is curious to know why ubunbu made such a decision |
| 15:46.59 | summatusmentis | I'd ask them |
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| 15:47.24 | haoyu | summatusmentis, so how they answered? |
| 15:47.47 | thiago_home | he said he *would* ask them |
| 15:47.50 | thiago_home | not that he had |
| 15:48.09 | haoyu | oh sorry :) |
| 15:48.50 | kitallis | smtms: yes, i am, cause, after converting what was written in japaneese the mailing list subscription still doesnt work |
| 15:48.51 | summatusmentis | sorry, I should be more clear |
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| 15:49.44 | kitallis | smtms: so, niether does the irc work nor does the mailing list subscription is clear enough and now i'm stranded as i don't even know ppl applying to fsij |
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| 15:49.58 | kitallis | suicides |
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| 15:50.47 | amit8-88 | summatusmentis: maybe Ubuntu had lack of mentors ! |
| 15:50.55 | smtms | kitallis, you sure you connected to the correct IRC server/network? |
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| 15:51.50 | kitallis | smtms: they haven't specidifed a network, onyl the channel, an freenode doesn't work |
| 15:52.29 | kblin | amit8-88: dunno. ask them, rather than speculate here |
| 15:52.42 | kitallis | so the only thing left was to email, i just mailed them directly |
| 15:54.14 | amit8-88 | kblin: ok :) |
| 15:54.59 | kblin | kitallis: wow, seriously, unless they're good at communicating with you directly, you might want to consider applying somewhere else as well |
| 15:56.21 | kitallis | kblin: yeah, but i don't have much options, nothing is interesting me and also because Ruby Central didnt apply, i'm kinda stranded |
| 15:57.07 | z4chh | anyone got a proposal ready to submit tomorrow? :D |
| 15:57.24 | z4chh | !next |
| 15:57.24 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 15:59.17 | omniter | z4chh, not me lol |
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| 15:59.56 | omniter | i've got pretty much everything except some past work worthy of showing to the org |
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| 16:00.07 | kumarabhi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.16 | thomastc | z4chh: not me... though I have a couple of ideas of course |
| 16:00.20 | omniter | i could show screenshots n videos, but the code itself... well let's just say i like not writing comments LOL |
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| 16:05.17 | Erant | omniter: Worthyness kinda depends on the kind of organisation you're applying to, I guess. |
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| 16:05.34 | omniter | Erant, of course. |
| 16:06.05 | omniter | but even otherwise worthy code is ruined by a lack of commentary =P |
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| 16:06.26 | Erant | omniter: Depends wholy on your coding style. I've got some C code without comments that anyone with a bit of C skill can read. |
| 16:06.49 | omniter | oh it's definitely readable. annoyingly neat too |
| 16:07.10 | omniter | i guess i could just explain to them i never thought the code would see the light of day |
| 16:07.10 | Erant | Also, if you've ever done anything for a team or something, that increases your odds, I guess. |
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| 16:07.28 | omniter | yeah... nope. =\ |
| 16:07.32 | under` | Hi |
| 16:07.54 | omniter | hi under |
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| 16:12.12 | ricardo-vlh | if we insert our submission in the first day will we be able to edit it afterwards? |
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| 16:13.59 | kblin | ricardo-vlh: I guess so. it was possible the last years |
| 16:14.09 | kblin | ricardo-vlh: but read the user manual |
| 16:14.28 | PulpFictionIN | ricardo-vlh: i think so.i hve read that orgs usually get back to u to improve ur applications |
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| 16:16.03 | ricardo-vlh | got it.thank you. |
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| 16:19.30 | ady1111 | who is from Google's Open Source Programs Office? |
| 16:19.48 | PulpFictionIN | danderson i guess. |
| 16:20.48 | summatusmentis | I don't know if he is or not |
| 16:20.53 | summatusmentis | I feel like he interned there |
| 16:20.54 | araujo | summatusmentis, hi there |
| 16:21.01 | araujo | is now around |
| 16:21.14 | summatusmentis | hey, how does one say 'have a good day' in spanish? is it just "Buen dia!"? |
| 16:21.14 | kblin | ady1111: why would you need them? |
| 16:21.27 | araujo | summatusmentis, correct |
| 16:21.49 | summatusmentis | araujo: and is that dialectic (depending on latin america vs. spain)? |
| 16:21.56 | araujo | summatusmentis, you also could say, "Ten un buen dia" , or "Que usted tenga un buen dia" |
| 16:22.01 | araujo | later is very formal |
| 16:22.17 | summatusmentis | right, that's what I wasn't sure about |
| 16:22.20 | araujo | summatusmentis, Buen dia , is very neutral .... |
| 16:22.21 | DannyB | ady1111: why do you need them |
| 16:22.25 | araujo | among dialect |
| 16:22.36 | DannyB | any time i mention I am i get the most inane questions |
| 16:22.39 | summatusmentis | araujo: ok, I didn't know if it was more common depending on the country |
| 16:22.42 | DannyB | so i'm scared to answer :) |
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| 16:23.13 | kblin | DannyB: you are? why weren't you at the mentor summit? ;) |
| 16:23.22 | DannyB | i was in another country at the time |
| 16:23.25 | apinto | just say "Hola" and that's ok :D |
| 16:23.27 | DannyB | ;) |
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| 16:24.33 | omniter | i've only heard buenos dias, not buen dia =\ |
| 16:24.43 | araujo | summatusmentis, As a side note, Buen dia, can be used for greeting or as a farewell |
| 16:25.05 | summatusmentis | araujo: right, I knew that, I just wasn't sure of the translation |
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| 16:25.40 | summatusmentis | omniter: buenos dias, at least from my understanding is a lot more like "Good day, sir!" in that it's a farewell |
| 16:25.41 | araujo | omniter, yes, you also can say "buenos dias" ... though that is best used for greeting ... like 'good morning' |
| 16:25.53 | summatusmentis | you can ignore me then :) |
| 16:26.01 | araujo | good morning == buenos dias |
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| 16:26.17 | summatusmentis | my spanish is so rusty |
| 16:26.21 | araujo | have a good day == ten un buen dia, que usted tenga un buen dia |
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| 16:26.44 | omniter | araujo, isn't that manana? with the squiggly thingy |
| 16:26.53 | araujo | I like to greet more as 'buen dia' than 'buenos dias' |
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| 16:27.01 | summatusmentis | mañana is 'morning' |
| 16:27.07 | araujo | correct |
| 16:27.10 | omniter | yeah that... i can't type it |
| 16:27.13 | omniter | lol |
| 16:27.23 | p_l | as well as idiomatic for "no, you won't get it done today, nor tommorrow" |
| 16:27.29 | z4chh | don't you all have proposals to be writing! >.< |
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| 16:27.36 | araujo | mañana is used for 'morning' and 'tomorrow' , depending upon the sentence |
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| 16:27.47 | omniter | z4chh, i'm writing mine in spanish now, =D |
| 16:27.50 | omniter | ;) |
| 16:27.51 | summatusmentis | oof, if I switch to a netbook I'll have to re-learn the spanish special characters |
| 16:28.02 | araujo | me levante en la mañana == i got up in the morning |
| 16:28.11 | araujo | me levantare mañana == I will get up tomorrow |
| 16:28.18 | summatusmentis | oh right |
| 16:28.22 | p_l | is waiting for response from mentor concerning the project |
| 16:28.31 | summatusmentis | I should really stop trying to teach spanish, considering I leave out a lot |
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| 16:29.00 | araujo | haha |
| 16:29.21 | omniter | i wish employers would send you back your resume and tell you how you can write it better and send it again. LOL |
| 16:29.31 | omniter | why don't they do that. =P |
| 16:29.35 | summatusmentis | omniter: the org I'm applying to will help you out :0 |
| 16:29.38 | summatusmentis | :) * |
| 16:29.54 | summatusmentis | and I know of at least one internship I applied to that said they'd help w/ your resume |
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| 16:30.21 | omniter | i was thinking more of real companies hiring people from the work force, lol |
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| 16:30.31 | omniter | bad coverletters get your resume thrown in the trash |
| 16:30.32 | omniter | =P |
| 16:30.51 | omniter | or the "backup" pile |
| 16:30.55 | kblin | omniter: depends on the number of applications, seriously |
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| 16:32.09 | omniter | :( i'm waiting for the mentors to come into the forum. one of them made a post and left. another one came, did nothing, and left. |
| 16:32.18 | omniter | in two minutes! |
| 16:35.48 | smtms | omniter, you posted there? |
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| 16:35.48 | omniter | yepp. i got lots of replies, but i want more revisions before i submit an application. =) |
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| 16:35.48 | omniter | one of my org's mentors already made up his mind on the student he wants before he even made a proposal lol |
| 16:35.48 | omniter | probably because they were coupled last year |
| 16:35.48 | omniter | and had a good experience |
| 16:35.49 | p_l | omniter: what org? |
| 16:35.49 | omniter | Ogre |
| 16:35.49 | omniter | made up his mind as in "if he's accepted, i wanna be his mentor". not "accept him." |
| 16:36.03 | omniter | no problem with that. there's other mentors. =) |
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| 16:36.51 | omniter | one of the mentors for Ogre is the project lead and original developer, Steve Streetings. =D |
| 16:36.58 | omniter | that's really cool. =D |
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| 16:37.27 | omniter | i don't think anybody would make a better mentor for Ogre than the creator of Ogre, lol. |
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| 16:38.18 | gobbo | musically: Hello. |
| 16:39.09 | musically | gobbo, Hello. |
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| 16:44.42 | ady1111 | who is from Google's Open Source Programs Office? |
| 16:44.52 | smtms | who? who? |
| 16:45.01 | AlekSi | who? who? who? |
| 16:45.05 | chx | ady1111: that'd be LH mostly but why? |
| 16:45.06 | SRabbelier | ady1111: you mean like lh? |
| 16:45.23 | ady1111 | anybody from google |
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| 16:46.16 | danderson | why do you need someone from google? |
| 16:46.21 | danderson | ask your question, someone will answer |
| 16:46.29 | danderson | no need for googlers for 99% of questions |
| 16:46.31 | ady1111 | okay |
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| 16:47.42 | ady1111 | I want to register my project as continer at google organization |
| 16:48.14 | kitallis | what's a continer? |
| 16:48.22 | SRabbelier | ady1111: you're a tadd late |
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| 16:48.34 | SRabbelier | ady1111: organization application period closed a week ago |
| 16:48.36 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 16:48.36 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 16:49.33 | nsm | !help |
| 16:49.33 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 16:49.38 | nsm | !advice |
| 16:49.38 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 16:51.48 | irahul | how can i check whether my irc client is working properly ? i think all messages are not displayed..it skips some of messages |
| 16:51.48 | smtms | irahul, huh? |
| 16:51.48 | smtms | irahul, is your IRC client something you wrote? |
| 16:51.50 | ady1111 | yes, but my project it's not an organization |
| 16:52.24 | irahul | yep.. |
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| 16:53.45 | irahul | i mean to say.. how to ensure that all messages of chat are displayed... |
| 16:54.09 | stryk | hi all |
| 16:54.32 | stryk | i just wanted to know.....roghly how many proj are for OS development n relaed |
| 16:54.39 | SRabbelier | ady1111: then, what is it? |
| 16:54.55 | stryk | lyk minix n ubuntu |
| 16:55.18 | amit8-88 | !orgbylang |
| 16:55.18 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 16:55.26 | amit8-88 | stryk: ^ |
| 16:55.38 | stryk | ya |
| 16:55.55 | smtms | stryk, you can count them yourself |
| 16:56.23 | stryk | there are 150.....if sumbody already knew it,it wud b great |
| 16:56.26 | smtms | stryk, FreeBSD, NetBSD and DragonFly BSD are OS development |
| 16:56.29 | stryk | otherwise....as u said |
| 16:56.33 | stryk | count |
| 16:56.47 | dhaun | stryk: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/operating_systems |
| 16:56.56 | dhaun | delicious even counts them for you :-) |
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| 16:57.46 | stryk | thnx |
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| 17:00.15 | SRabbelier | !read |
| 17:00.15 | socinfo | "read" is Please read the FAQ and documentation (including the information provided to you on the relevant pages) before asking a question. |
| 17:00.21 | p_l | there's also MINIX 3 for a less "finished" OS |
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| 17:01.01 | Erant | !security |
| 17:01.01 | socinfo | Error: "security" is not a valid command. |
| 17:01.06 | Erant | Aww |
| 17:01.26 | SRabbelier | Erant: hehe, it means there is no security :P |
| 17:01.48 | Erant | orly :P |
| 17:01.50 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn security as Feel free to test Melange for security vulnerabilities on http://melange-demo.appspot.com |
| 17:01.50 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:01.54 | SRabbelier | !security |
| 17:01.54 | socinfo | "security" is Feel free to test Melange for security vulnerabilities on http://melange-demo.appspot.com |
| 17:02.03 | SRabbelier | Erant: there you go |
| 17:02.23 | Erant | tyvm |
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| 18:05.29 | Lovelife | hello all " |
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| 18:23.21 | schumaml | do any other organizations has someone called "Adam Turcotte" applying to be a mentor? nobody in our org knows him, could be a misguided student or a spammer |
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| 18:26.19 | rwatson | schumaml: last year we had a fair number of random people apply to be a mentor using the webapp, but none so far this year. |
| 18:26.41 | SRabbelier | schumaml: what link_id/ |
| 18:26.43 | SRabbelier | ? |
| 18:26.57 | schumaml | an10na |
| 18:27.34 | SRabbelier | schumaml: you are with gimp? |
| 18:27.37 | pygi | schumaml, that does seem random :p |
| 18:28.45 | schumaml | SRabbelier: yes |
| 18:28.56 | SRabbelier | schumaml: then yes, it's just you ;) |
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| 18:31.20 | newt | !next |
| 18:31.20 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 18:51.03 | koryk | I am very overwhelmed with how many projects I want to work on |
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| 18:51.34 | smtms | koryk, 5? |
| 18:52.11 | vanRossum | Dansa gittim gelicem: Gone away for now |
| 18:52.16 | koryk | I have 9 organizations on my list, and 1-3 projects for each of them that I would like to do |
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| 18:52.26 | koryk | and I can't do that many apps |
| 18:52.29 | smtms | koryk, that you would like to do or that you would like to consider doing? |
| 18:52.39 | koryk | smtms: some I like more than others |
| 18:52.52 | smtms | koryk, I'd focus on no more than 5 applications |
| 18:52.56 | koryk | smtms: but things that I think that I can do that also interest me |
| 18:53.11 | koryk | smtms: is that rule, or just good advice? |
| 18:53.15 | mmaruseacph2 | !next |
| 18:53.15 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 18:53.16 | smtms | koryk, it's advice |
| 18:53.28 | smtms | koryk, doing 20 crap applications will not get you accepted anywhere |
| 18:53.31 | koryk | smtms: it will be hard to narrow it down to 5 |
| 18:53.34 | smtms | koryk, so, focus on just a small number |
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| 18:54.03 | koryk | okay I got it down to 6 orgs |
| 18:54.13 | smtms | koryk, you can talk to mentoring organisations to make it easier to decide |
| 18:54.25 | hwked | what is the upper limit for the length of a student application? |
| 18:54.31 | koryk | hwked: 20 |
| 18:54.34 | koryk | oh |
| 18:54.44 | koryk | length not number, my bad |
| 18:54.49 | hwked | koryk: :) |
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| 18:56.15 | omniter | i couldn't even find more than 1 project i really wanted to do |
| 18:56.17 | omniter | =\ |
| 18:56.26 | omniter | well org, not project |
| 18:56.36 | smtms | omniter, why? :-( |
| 18:57.12 | omniter | i guess it's because i've narrowed myself to programming graphics/game/sound/music/physics/gui stuff |
| 18:57.17 | omniter | no database/web stuff |
| 18:57.25 | Erant | Same |
| 18:57.35 | koryk | well for music stuff you could do Audacity |
| 18:57.36 | Erant | I mainly do embedded, and that's just a tricky field. |
| 18:57.50 | p_l | did mostly Lisp&co lately... |
| 18:58.27 | koryk | omniter: have you tried looking at the delicious bookmarks page for GSoC2009 ? That helped me find a lot more things that I was interested in that I missed the first time through because I didn't know what the orgs did |
| 18:58.28 | omniter | koryk, more like music cueing, plaback, dynamic effects, streaming, and how they fit into a game, lol. not processing them. |
| 18:58.29 | HanzZ | will submit only on application |
| 18:58.45 | omniter | koryk, bookmarks? =\ nope |
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| 18:58.52 | koryk | !advice |
| 18:58.53 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 18:58.53 | spectie | HanzZ, good idea |
| 18:58.57 | omniter | oh is that the one where they keyword things |
| 18:59.14 | koryk | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009 |
| 18:59.26 | omniter | ah yeah that's the one |
| 18:59.26 | HanzZ | I hope it's good application... It's my first :) |
| 18:59.29 | omniter | saw it |
| 18:59.36 | koryk | and nothing there for you? |
| 19:00.24 | omniter | other than pygame stuff, nothing that catches my attention |
| 19:00.43 | omniter | except ogre, which is what i really wanna do |
| 19:01.25 | omniter | the one thing that caught my eye in pygame was "add simple 3D" |
| 19:01.44 | omniter | but the thing is... that's been done already by many other people. i don't see why they don't just use those |
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| 19:02.54 | vanRossum | is back. |
| 19:02.57 | omniter | and while i love games, working on an open source game to me isn't as helpful to people as working on an open source engine or library. |
| 19:03.31 | omniter | they're pretty much dead ends |
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| 19:03.57 | ahuillet | what makes you think that? |
| 19:04.40 | omniter | well the source code for a game can only be used to make more games. |
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| 19:05.58 | omniter | not exactly a dead end, but kind of shallow, right? i'd rather contribute to something more open-ended |
| 19:07.01 | ahuillet | that's an interesting point |
| 19:07.06 | Shadow_Master | I'd say it depends on the game. There may be games which have builtin scripting facilities or other stuff that could be extended for more general purposes |
| 19:07.32 | ahuillet | you're saying that you only want to contribute to software projects that are not directly end user applications |
| 19:08.41 | ahuillet | when talking about an open source game, the reason to contribute would be to make the game better |
| 19:08.49 | ahuillet | not to use it to build other applications |
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| 19:11.01 | omniter | ahuillet, sort of. even if it was an end-user application, i'd prefer it was some kind of end-user application that lets people create more useful things, not just to play. |
| 19:11.35 | ahuillet | "more useful things" being to create games ? :) |
| 19:11.39 | omniter | basically, i like to help make things that help other people make things =) |
| 19:11.48 | ahuillet | you're gonna need people to write games using your code at some point though ;) |
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| 19:12.26 | omniter | ahuillet, oh i got nothing against game programmers. i program games myself. it's just that for the purposes of this project, i'd feel better about contributing to something that's not just a game. |
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| 19:12.45 | ABit | How can I find some detailed stat about GSoC 2008? |
| 19:12.58 | omniter | ABit, define "detailed" |
| 19:13.04 | omniter | and "stat" |
| 19:13.16 | ABit | Students location, success rate, ecc. |
| 19:13.18 | ahuillet | there are not too many games in GSoC anyway... FWIW I try to get challenging projects for GSoC so I learn as much as possible |
| 19:13.39 | ABit | stat stands for statistics |
| 19:13.42 | omniter | ah... i'm sure you won't find analytical statistics. |
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| 19:13.57 | kblin | ABit: google |
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| 19:14.14 | kblin | ABit: lh has done statistics on this, as well as other people |
| 19:14.34 | lh | ABit: try the wiki, statistics page, it's a start |
| 19:14.35 | lh | !wiki |
| 19:14.36 | socinfo | Error: "wiki" is not a valid command. |
| 19:14.42 | lh | hrm |
| 19:14.48 | lh | !advice |
| 19:14.48 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 19:14.56 | lh | ABit: that wiki will have a stats page on it |
| 19:14.58 | omniter | ahuillet, i try to find something challenging but not something that's beyond my current understanding. because i wanna at least be accepted =P |
| 19:15.25 | Ivanovic | offers free chocolate on the free couch |
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| 19:15.30 | MatthewWilkes | !stats |
| 19:15.30 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 19:15.33 | Ivanovic | let's celebrate the wesnoth 1.6 release! |
| 19:15.36 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, no |
| 19:15.38 | MatthewWilkes | wrong stats |
| 19:15.47 | Ivanovic | (while talking about games...) |
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| 19:16.09 | kblin | !learn wiki as http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 19:16.09 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:16.24 | lh | kblin: danke |
| 19:16.30 | kblin | lh: bitte |
| 19:16.32 | meet | Hello! Can someone please tell if ubuntu has a chennel for GSoc? |
| 19:16.48 | omniter | yes, try #ubuntu -_- |
| 19:16.48 | kblin | meet: they deciced to withdraw this year |
| 19:16.53 | omniter | oh wait |
| 19:16.55 | omniter | for GSOc |
| 19:16.55 | omniter | nvm |
| 19:17.03 | omniter | "I judge progress by number, size, and usefulness of patch files." - that quote is win |
| 19:17.18 | kblin | nah |
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| 19:17.38 | omniter | oh wait |
| 19:17.40 | omniter | i misread |
| 19:17.41 | vanRossum | Dansa gittim gelicem: Gone away for now |
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| 19:17.50 | omniter | i read that as "I judge myself" |
| 19:18.01 | meet | kblin: Thanks |
| 19:18.09 | kblin | omniter: "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." |
| 19:18.12 | omniter | because a programmer who judges himself on the number, size and usefulness of patch files he writes is f***ing hardcore |
| 19:18.32 | Catfish_Man | omniter: only if the size criterion is negative |
| 19:18.34 | ABit | thanks |
| 19:18.42 | omniter | of course |
| 19:19.11 | omniter | well, no. |
| 19:19.20 | omniter | if it's for your own project, yeah |
| 19:19.43 | Catfish_Man | simpler is better, in the absence of other concerns |
| 19:19.46 | kblin | huge patches are never useful |
| 19:19.47 | Catfish_Man | and smaller is very often simpler |
| 19:19.57 | Ivanovic | using whitespaces is evil! help destroy the evil! remove all unnecessary whitespaces like newlines, tabs or other indention from your code! |
| 19:19.58 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 19:20.15 | kblin | because noone's ever going read a 5000 line patch |
| 19:20.20 | omniter | kblin, just because it's big doesn't mean it does the same work in more code. it could just mean it fixes a LOT more |
| 19:20.38 | Catfish_Man | so break it up into smaller, more reviewable patches |
| 19:20.40 | kblin | omniter: then it's multiple things in one patch |
| 19:20.45 | kblin | which is even worse |
| 19:20.54 | omniter | ah, okay... |
| 19:20.56 | kblin | it's so easy to do good patches these days |
| 19:21.04 | Catfish_Man | kblin: eh? |
| 19:21.11 | Catfish_Man | disagree. Doing things well is hard |
| 19:21.16 | kblin | DVCSes make it easy to produce patchsets |
| 19:21.23 | omniter | see, i never actually submitted a patch in my life. =\ i just paste code to people. |
| 19:21.43 | kblin | Catfish_Man: well, easy as in "not painful" looking at your tools |
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| 19:21.53 | kblin | Catfish_Man: the programming part hasn't changed |
| 19:22.07 | Catfish_Man | kblin: chunking up a large patch often involves quite a bit of work figuring out how to separate concerns |
| 19:22.15 | Catfish_Man | since you don't want any of the intermediate patches to break things, ideally |
| 19:22.25 | kblin | Catfish_Man: oh, ok, you're coming from a large patch |
| 19:22.29 | kblin | Catfish_Man: that's still hard |
| 19:22.48 | kblin | Catfish_Man: it's easy to never even get to a large patch in the first place |
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| 19:23.09 | Catfish_Man | I still think that's overly optimistic |
| 19:23.11 | Catfish_Man | but perhaps |
| 19:23.31 | vanRossum | is back. |
| 19:23.31 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I remember my first GSoC, where I had to use read-only CVS to create a patchset, and no one ever told me about quilt |
| 19:23.52 | kblin | vanRossum: can you please turn off the public away messages? |
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| 19:24.22 | kblin | works for me |
| 19:24.26 | Catfish_Man | kblin: consider, for example, when I split the JID type in sparkweb into Escaped and Unescaped subclasses. There's no real way to write that patch except updating all uses of JID simultaneously |
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| 19:25.19 | Catfish_Man | since a partial change won't pass the typechecker |
| 19:25.50 | kblin | Catfish_Man: you probably can always come up with an example where you'll end up with a huge patch |
| 19:26.12 | Catfish_Man | I've found that refactoring tends to create them |
| 19:26.23 | kblin | Catfish_Man: but from reading the wine-patches mailing list, patches in general have become much more readable and smaller since Wine switched to git |
| 19:26.33 | Catfish_Man | sweet :) |
| 19:26.54 | kblin | not immediately, but people got used to sending small patch-sets instead on one bigger patch |
| 19:27.23 | kblin | and I'd argue that for cases where it's possible, it's easier to do so these days |
| 19:28.20 | kblin | it's pretty much like cars... cars these days are much faster than they used to be 50 years back, but that doesn't help you if you're stuck in a traffic jam |
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| 19:30.46 | omniter | this is the freakiest thing i've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcKwexirzcM |
| 19:30.51 | omniter | a bit off topic, but yeah... |
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| 19:31.07 | omniter | you could say it's an open source lemur. in which case it's right on topic |
| 19:31.23 | vinc456 | some of the links on the advice page are for last year :\ for example: Unofficial Categories for Mentoring Organizations Participating in Google Summer of Code 2008 |
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| 19:32.29 | vinc456 | i guess the delicious list works as well |
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| 19:32.41 | Terinjokes | heylo! |
| 19:32.50 | kblin | vinc456: file a bug report? |
| 19:33.00 | lh | vinc456: and you could look directly above that for resources for 2009. :) |
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| 19:33.53 | kblin | or that |
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| 19:39.14 | Wofl_ | do i need to have a mentor by the time i fill out my application? |
| 19:39.30 | lh | Wofl_: no |
| 19:39.44 | lh | Wofl_: mentor is assigned during the application review phase |
| 19:39.45 | lh | !timeline |
| 19:39.46 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:39.58 | Wofl_ | great, thanks |
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| 19:56.24 | koryk | I have narrowed it down to 5! |
| 19:56.32 | kblin | yay? |
| 19:56.57 | ahuillet | koryk : so you have 5 good applications going? |
| 19:57.16 | skiquel | www.twitter.com/planetsoc |
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| 19:58.00 | koryk | ahuillet: no I just narrowed it down to 5 orgs, I am going to pick one from each |
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| 19:58.18 | ahuillet | koryk : right... five is a lot you know |
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| 19:58.50 | koryk | ahuillet: yes, and it is much better than 9 which I had this morning |
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| 19:59.09 | ahuillet | I would seriously suggest two to three applications |
| 19:59.28 | Landon | ^ |
| 19:59.33 | Landon | spend a few days on each |
| 19:59.35 | ahuillet | based on my past experience, five good applications on five different organizations requires *a lot* of work |
| 19:59.36 | koryk | -_-; it was hard enough to cut it down to 5 |
| 19:59.50 | ahuillet | given that one application represents a significant amount of work if you are new to the project |
| 19:59.55 | Landon | koryk: as you start doing more research into projects you'll find ones that click with you |
| 19:59.59 | Landon | :) |
| 20:00.22 | Landon | is down to 1-2 orgs after taking a harder look at ideas |
| 20:00.30 | koryk | Landon: which ones? |
| 20:00.37 | koryk | if you don't mind me asking |
| 20:00.41 | Landon | thousand parsec and possibly pygame (under PSF) |
| 20:00.59 | Landon | I think I might just cut it down and send 2 applications to thousand parsec though |
| 20:01.16 | allisterb | multiple apps is a lot of work but it's worth it |
| 20:01.25 | ahuillet | two applications for the same org? doesn't that feel a bit schizophrenic to the mentors ? :) |
| 20:01.36 | allisterb | no |
| 20:01.38 | Landon | one per idea |
| 20:01.42 | Erant | I don't think there's much there for me this year :( I'd like to work on melange's security, but that's not enough for an entire project. And as far as embedded goes, mjeh. Not much interesting. |
| 20:02.09 | allisterb | Eran gotta be at least 1 |
| 20:02.16 | ahuillet | allisterb : it depends on your definition of "multiple" |
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| 20:02.30 | Erant | Erant: I have specific projects I like to work on :P |
| 20:02.59 | Erant | Unfortunatly, the project I would've liked to see was rejected. |
| 20:03.00 | allisterb | Eran remember the umbrella orgs - you can work on your own project if you get accepted |
| 20:03.12 | Landon | heh |
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| 20:03.22 | vinc456 | is it generally unrealistic to pick an org that i have never actually heard of until today? i'm narrowing my choices based on whether or not i think i can succeed. So i'm going more on "are my skills a good match" rather than "do i think this is interesting". |
| 20:03.32 | Landon | I didn't really find any umbrella orgs that would fit with my idea of porting pisg to python :( good one for spare time work though :D |
| 20:03.34 | ahuillet | allisterb : is that likely to happen? :) |
| 20:03.35 | allisterb | Abadaar, multiple would be 2 apps to to orgs |
| 20:03.39 | Landon | vinc456: go for it |
| 20:03.46 | Landon | thats how I found software freedom conservancy last year |
| 20:03.50 | ahuillet | vinc456 : it's perfectly fine |
| 20:03.55 | Abadaar | allisterb, hm? |
| 20:04.11 | ahuillet | abadaar: I bet on a <tab> mistake from allisterb :) |
| 20:04.20 | allisterb | Abadaar, woops meant ahuillet |
| 20:04.25 | Abadaar | hehe, np |
| 20:04.47 | homunq | vinc456: honestly, at sugarlabs, we probably give more weight to demonstrated interest than to skills. |
| 20:04.52 | Lennie | drives over Erant |
| 20:05.03 | vinc456 | hmm ok doesn't really feel right but thanks for the encouragement :p |
| 20:05.04 | allisterb | ahuillet, well they way I see it SoC is very competitive but also very diverse |
| 20:05.07 | Erant | Lennie: Pfrt. |
| 20:05.10 | Lennie | :D |
| 20:05.16 | Lennie | ajuonline, meet erant |
| 20:05.17 | Erant | That hurts, you know :( |
| 20:05.20 | Lennie | also TBBT fan :) |
| 20:05.26 | homunq | you need at least a bit of both, but we are willing to allow for significant learning on the job |
| 20:05.29 | allisterb | you might not be a match for one org but another might like you |
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| 20:05.48 | Erant | Ain't that the truth. |
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| 20:06.27 | homunq | Landon: umm, python? I know it will have about 3,000,000 apps, but hey... |
| 20:06.28 | allisterb | but I think the most important thing in your app is working code |
| 20:06.56 | allisterb | code = GOLDEN in most projects |
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| 20:07.02 | Landon | homunq: yeah, but pisg isn't really a significant app by any standards :P |
| 20:07.34 | ahuillet | googles pisg |
| 20:07.40 | Landon | !stats |
| 20:07.41 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 20:07.43 | Landon | @ ahuillet |
| 20:07.49 | Landon | that sort of thing |
| 20:07.51 | Landon | parses IRC stats |
| 20:07.57 | ahuillet | oh that |
| 20:08.21 | Landon | right now it's in perl and I've heard it's a bit of a CF |
| 20:08.48 | kblin | vinc456: definetely go for interesting |
| 20:08.50 | Landon | ok |
| 20:08.54 | Landon | if anyone wants a hardware project |
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| 20:08.57 | Landon | I've got an idea :) |
| 20:09.05 | Landon | develop e-ink sticky notes |
| 20:09.16 | kblin | Landon: fix debian on armel? |
| 20:09.25 | Landon | so I can stick them on the unused real estate of my wall but still be able to read them |
| 20:09.26 | Landon | :P |
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| 20:10.20 | ajuonline | Lennie: :D |
| 20:10.23 | ajuonline | hi Erant |
| 20:10.30 | Lennie | ajuonline :) |
| 20:10.36 | Landon | but seriously |
| 20:10.40 | Landon | first person to do that is a millionaire |
| 20:10.41 | Landon | :P |
| 20:10.46 | ajuonline | just got online randomly, he is working on his talk for Sahana Conf |
| 20:10.55 | ajuonline | i hate early flights |
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| 20:11.53 | Erant | ajuonline: Disaster management system? Sweet. |
| 20:12.26 | ajuonline | Erant: hfoss , ftw!! :P |
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| 20:13.07 | Erant | I should do more general coding perhaps. |
| 20:13.14 | epifanio | Hi All |
| 20:14.07 | epifanio | i've a question related to goggle summer of code project, |
| 20:14.35 | Landon | yessssssssss |
| 20:14.43 | Erant | Swimming goggles? |
| 20:14.48 | epifanio | there is the osgeo fundation : http://www.osgeo.org/ that has some ideas for the gsoc project |
| 20:16.10 | epifanio | in the osgeo main project there are some gis sw , like qgis, grass and others http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/2008_Google_SoC_Application |
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| 20:17.11 | epifanio | i'm a student, exactly i'm intersted to develop an "idea" on the qgis sw http://wiki.qgis.org/qgiswiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas |
| 20:17.34 | kblin | epifanio: and your question is...? |
| 20:17.44 | epifanio | the idea of intersest is" Incorporate ossimPlanet" |
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| 20:18.36 | epifanio | my question, it is possible that more than one student (2) can works togheter to the same idea ? (these if the idea is reasonable complex) |
| 20:19.28 | lh | epifanio: not really no. |
| 20:19.38 | lh | epifanio: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#group_apply |
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| 20:20.32 | Erant | slaps SRabbelier around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:20.50 | Landon | tarnations |
| 20:20.53 | Landon | it's hot in this here office |
| 20:21.05 | epifanio | ok, .. i had problems to undstand the point "11" , ... That's fine, a little duplication is par for the course in open source. |
| 20:21.08 | Landon | thinks if he gets into SoC this year he will spend the money on a lawn chair |
| 20:21.19 | Erant | Landon: Fancy lawn chair |
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| 20:21.22 | Landon | yes |
| 20:21.24 | Landon | a fancy lawn chair |
| 20:21.30 | Landon | integrated water spout |
| 20:21.31 | Landon | etc |
| 20:21.32 | Erant | With cup holder. |
| 20:21.33 | epifanio | what means, that osgeo can assign the same idea to more than one student ? |
| 20:21.41 | Landon | who needs a cup holder when you have a water spout |
| 20:21.41 | Landon | :D |
| 20:21.45 | Landon | also an umbrella |
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| 20:21.58 | Erant | Landon: For that kind of money, I want a cupholder. |
| 20:21.59 | dwins | epifanio: the students would be expected to work independently of each other |
| 20:22.04 | Erant | Regardless of wether it's usefull. |
| 20:22.10 | Erant | -l |
| 20:22.25 | Landon | heh |
| 20:22.35 | Landon | I also want a pillow |
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| 20:22.46 | Landon | a nice one that won';t make me swe.... actually |
| 20:22.47 | Landon | better idea |
| 20:22.51 | Landon | let's buy some trees |
| 20:22.53 | Landon | for my hammock |
| 20:22.53 | epifanio | ok i undustand the concep |
| 20:22.59 | epifanio | *concept |
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| 20:23.09 | Erant | Lennie: Oh, what we talked about earlier: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/20/microsoft_crash_tool/ |
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| 20:23.27 | epifanio | thanks! |
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| 20:23.27 | Lennie | thanks Erant |
| 20:23.33 | Erant | Dan Kaminsky's an awesome guy. |
| 20:23.37 | rohith | . |
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| 20:24.49 | Erant | Missed his talk though. :( |
| 20:25.11 | Lennie | :( |
| 20:25.20 | Erant | Too busy drinking beer :P |
| 20:25.27 | Lennie | which is understandable :) |
| 20:25.36 | Erant | Day 1, 23:00. Beertime. |
| 20:25.37 | Lennie | are we talking about Chaos? |
| 20:25.39 | Erant | obv. |
| 20:25.43 | Lennie | thought so |
| 20:25.52 | Erant | Not many other interesting conferences. |
| 20:25.56 | Lennie | 23.55, guys BK closes in 5 let's eat :P |
| 20:26.03 | Erant | ;) |
| 20:26.04 | Lennie | :D |
| 20:26.13 | Erant | That may or may not have happened. |
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| 20:26.27 | rohit123 | . |
| 20:26.47 | monsieurp | . |
| 20:26.52 | Erant | . |
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| 20:30.39 | vinc456 | !advice |
| 20:30.39 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 20:38.54 | omniter | !next |
| 20:38.54 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 20:39.08 | omniter | eh... so when they say 19:00, they mean 19:00 eastern standard? |
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| 20:40.10 | lh | UTC |
| 20:40.18 | omniter | ah |
| 20:40.19 | lh | PINguAR_: hello dear, how are you? nice to see you here. :) |
| 20:40.24 | SRabbelier | omniter: all times always UTC unless noted otherwise :) |
| 20:40.52 | omniter | heh |
| 20:42.23 | omniter | i have a challenge for you python guys in case you're itching to get started. in one line of python (no cheating using semicolon), write a program that prints the next fibonnacci number when the user hits enter. |
| 20:42.55 | omniter | like, forever |
| 20:42.56 | omniter | =D |
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| 20:44.12 | PINguAR_ | lh: hi Leslie. i'm fine =) ..answering about project requirements to the potential students.. we have quite more students than last year! *happy dance* |
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| 20:45.46 | koryk | omniter: idk python but I am going to try to answer that question |
| 20:45.48 | lh | joins PINguAR_ in the happy dance |
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| 20:46.05 | PINguAR_ | lh: =) |
| 20:46.07 | omniter | koryk, aw but it's gotta be python. some other languages make it easy. =P |
| 20:46.24 | rohananil | PINguAR_: hi , are you a mentor from pardus? |
| 20:46.26 | russellb | it's easy in python, too :-) |
| 20:46.32 | p_l | puts down his parentheses |
| 20:46.35 | omniter | russellb, in one line? =P |
| 20:46.40 | PINguAR_ | rohananil: yeap |
| 20:47.05 | omniter | russellb, then i challenge you. if you can show me, i will mail you 5 dollars. personal promise. =P |
| 20:47.23 | omniter | and no using exec either. :p |
| 20:47.32 | russellb | heh |
| 20:47.38 | omniter | one line. no semicolon. no exec. |
| 20:47.41 | russellb | shrugs, working on something else right now :-p ^_^ |
| 20:47.46 | p_l | russellb: do it in assembly :P |
| 20:48.21 | omniter | lol only in python. =P because i believe i may have found the only solution, and there's no way in hell anybody would guess it. (and you actually have to guess... believe it or not) |
| 20:48.51 | omniter | it's obfuscated too |
| 20:49.13 | omniter | if i just showed you, you wouldn't know it prints fibonacci. |
| 20:49.25 | omniter | it's brainfuck =\ |
| 20:49.44 | Erant | omniter: And you didn't at one point think "I could be spending my time in a better way"? :P |
| 20:49.48 | straydawg | omniter: the channel is underwhelmed |
| 20:49.52 | omniter | hahaha |
| 20:50.15 | omniter | Erant, i didn't spend that much time. =P |
| 20:50.36 | Erant | Regardless ;) |
| 20:50.47 | omniter | it's just that it's universally agreed that the shortest such code in python would exceed one line. so i was like no wayyyyyyy... |
| 20:50.50 | chx | yay php is gone from the hall of shame section on the accepted orgs page. now only ccan remains. |
| 20:51.53 | davidL | quick question: is there any advantage to submitting proposals sooner rather than later? from the mentor org's point of view, is there any difference between a proposal submitted on March 23 and one submitted on March 29? |
| 20:51.53 | chx | lh: maybe a mail to them as they are the last..? |
| 20:51.53 | Catfish_Man | davidl: more time to discuss them with the organization |
| 20:51.53 | MaNI | putting it in on the deadline might make you look a bit slack I would imagine |
| 20:51.53 | MaNI | especially if you haven't been in contact before |
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| 20:51.55 | lh | chx: you mean CCAN? they have been pinged, multiple times |
| 20:51.58 | qsx | hello |
| 20:52.04 | davidL | Catfish_Man: so the mentoring org gets applications as soon as you send them? |
| 20:52.06 | chx | oh well. |
| 20:52.09 | smtms | davidL, they can look at your proposal, when they aren't overwhelmed, and can suggest improvements too, if you send early |
| 20:52.18 | Catfish_Man | davidl: yes, and we argue about them the whole time |
| 20:52.23 | chx | 1 out of 150, not that bad :) |
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| 20:52.45 | davidL | alright, thanks for the info |
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| 20:53.08 | omniter | davidL, as long as the org gets to to look at it and give you advice on how to improve it. whether you submit early, and resubmit, or you just give them your proposal directly, get feedback, and submit later. |
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| 20:57.06 | ajuonline | waives at lh |
| 20:57.15 | ajuonline | hi trinity ;) whats up!! |
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| 20:59.34 | lh | ajuonline: rotflmao. not much, how are you? |
| 20:59.38 | lh | wishes she was that cool |
| 20:59.48 | qsx | chill |
| 21:00.19 | ajuonline | lh: i am good. about to head off to Delhi airport |
| 21:00.20 | pygi | ajuonline, stop bugging people! |
| 21:00.37 | lh | ajuonline: cool. safe travels ajay. your meetup is now on the program calendar btw. |
| 21:00.47 | ajuonline | yeah, saw the mail. thanks :) |
| 21:01.02 | lh | np |
| 21:01.33 | _sana | omniter: the fibo problem is still up ? |
| 21:01.48 | omniter | _sana, yeah sure why not lol |
| 21:01.57 | omniter | i just found out though that my solution no longer works in python 3.0 |
| 21:02.04 | omniter | they changed some stuff -_- |
| 21:02.15 | _sana | do you expect O(1) complexity ? |
| 21:02.17 | arma | woo. http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/22/eff-and-tor-in-googl.html |
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| 21:02.49 | lh | goes to twitter |
| 21:02.54 | ajuonline | puts cold water on pygi |
| 21:02.57 | omniter | _sana, as long as it prints a fib number for every time you press enter, ad infinitum |
| 21:03.07 | omniter | and it's in one line without multiple statements or exec |
| 21:03.09 | omniter | or eval |
| 21:03.39 | _sana | ok |
| 21:04.15 | lh | arma: thanks, pimped |
| 21:04.33 | pygi | shoots ajuonline |
| 21:04.33 | arma | thanks :) |
| 21:04.39 | lh | arma: np, thank you. |
| 21:04.40 | arma | (meme factor at work) |
| 21:04.44 | arma | erm, factory |
| 21:05.00 | arma | cory's turnaround for things that support eff is quite impressive |
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| 21:05.27 | lh | cory is a good chap. :) |
| 21:05.32 | omniter | _sana, are you really trying to do it... oh boy, lol. |
| 21:05.43 | _sana | ye |
| 21:05.51 | _sana | just opened an editor |
| 21:06.16 | omniter | holy crap, lol. i love your attitude. |
| 21:06.47 | _sana | huh? i dont need a pencil for this |
| 21:06.47 | omniter | btw if you use the newest version, i regret to tell you it's probably impossible |
| 21:07.23 | omniter | as in python 3.0. if you use 2.x, it's fine |
| 21:07.25 | _sana | python --version |
| 21:07.25 | _sana | Python 2.5.4 |
| 21:07.30 | omniter | ah good =D |
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| 21:08.52 | kblin | man, I hate webdesign |
| 21:08.56 | Erant | Whiteboards ftw |
| 21:09.25 | kblin | now I get to figure out how to build a tag cloud... |
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| 21:10.07 | ThomasWaldmann | kblin: you know the webdesign pie chart? :D |
| 21:10.24 | kblin | nope |
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| 21:11.46 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: but from googling, it looks like I can agree |
| 21:11.53 | kblin | and I don't even give a damn about IE |
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| 21:12.24 | Erant | SRabbelier: Fixed your fail yet? |
| 21:12.31 | SRabbelier | Erant: I did indeed |
| 21:12.40 | kblin | hmm, I guess I'll just do a size-adjusted <ul> and shame one of our web peole into fixing it |
| 21:12.47 | Erant | SRabbelier: All of the fail? |
| 21:13.14 | SRabbelier | Erant: not quite, but some of it |
| 21:13.40 | Erant | Prod me when you put up a new version on testing. |
| 21:14.01 | Erant | See if you failed fixing the fail. :P |
| 21:14.25 | Erant | Don't worry if you did. You'd be outperforming Nintendo if you fixed it on your next try. |
| 21:15.47 | ThomasWaldmann | kblin: sevenup looks promising, if they fix the issues in the tracker |
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| 21:23.27 | Drew_ | hello all |
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| 21:24.22 | ThomasWaldmann | hi Drew_ |
| 21:24.31 | Drew_ | how are you? :) |
| 21:25.31 | ThomasWaldmann | i hope you don't want to know that from 414 people here :) |
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| 21:25.50 | omniter | i'll start. i'm good. |
| 21:25.57 | Drew_ | haha, just you since you replied :) |
| 21:26.07 | Drew_ | good to hear omniter |
| 21:26.21 | ThomasWaldmann | I'm ok, too. :) |
| 21:26.28 | ahuillet | I'm fine as well |
| 21:26.32 | ahuillet | :] |
| 21:27.33 | Drew_ | ThomasWaldmann: omniter: ahuillet: Are you students or organisations? I'm a student :D |
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| 21:28.06 | ahuillet | I'm one of your numerous competitors. :) |
| 21:28.10 | ThomasWaldmann | is from MoinMoin Wiki project |
| 21:28.16 | skelet | so tomorrow begin the applications? |
| 21:28.28 | vinc456 | !timeline |
| 21:28.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:28.29 | ahuillet | oh, already... man things are going fast |
| 21:28.45 | omniter | Drew_, i'm a student. |
| 21:29.02 | allisterb | holy crap anybody follow EPL? |
| 21:29.19 | omniter | we're not really in direct competition, ahuillet. unless we're applying to the same org. |
| 21:29.29 | allisterb | Liverpool 5-0 o.o |
| 21:29.31 | ahuillet | omniter : I know, I know |
| 21:29.47 | p_l | things are really going fast |
| 21:29.54 | Drew_ | lol allister... Against the team I used to follow as well :@ |
| 21:29.56 | omniter | wah i'm gonna cry. the Ogre forums suddenly went dead. |
| 21:30.45 | allisterb | Drew_ Liverpool is scary right now |
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| 21:34.26 | Drew_ | allisterb: Yeah, I've been following the premier league a bit lately, I gave up following it properly a few years ago though |
| 21:34.31 | Drew_ | allisterb: who do you support? |
| 21:34.45 | allisterb | >.> |
| 21:34.48 | allisterb | <.< |
| 21:34.58 | allisterb | MAN UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 21:35.15 | p_l | never understood footbal fans :) |
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| 21:36.18 | skelet | fc arges is the best :) |
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| 21:37.01 | skelet | i must sleep. tomorrow there is much code studying to be done for gsoc; goodbye everyone! :-h |
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| 21:43.01 | ojwb | !next |
| 21:43.01 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 21:43.08 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next |
| 21:43.09 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:43.23 | omniter | HAHA |
| 21:43.34 | ojwb | socinfo: learn next as March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
| 21:43.34 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:43.43 | omniter | that is so cool =D |
| 21:43.47 | ojwb | ? |
| 21:43.54 | omniter | the forget and learn |
| 21:43.55 | omniter | =D |
| 21:43.59 | ojwb | ah, ok |
| 21:44.01 | ojwb | don't abuse it |
| 21:44.03 | omniter | never seen that on IRC |
| 21:44.06 | p_l | omniter: standard stuff |
| 21:44.09 | Raim | never saw a bot on IRC before? ;) |
| 21:44.09 | omniter | wait... anybody can do it? |
| 21:44.11 | omniter | =\ |
| 21:44.23 | omniter | Raim, not a bot with those specific commands, no |
| 21:44.44 | p_l | had seen such bots for a long time now |
| 21:44.48 | Raim | hm, factoids for bots are quite old |
| 21:45.18 | monsieurp | http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html |
| 21:45.29 | omniter | well yeah, i don't htink it's a new technology. just my first time seeing it =D |
| 21:45.35 | Drew_ | allisterb: Lol, cool |
| 21:45.43 | monsieurp | "BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos" |
| 21:45.50 | monsieurp | Lunix |
| 21:45.51 | monsieurp | AHAH |
| 21:46.00 | p_l | monsieurp: what, first time seeing that? |
| 21:46.00 | ojwb | omniter: such bots tend to have permissions support |
| 21:46.05 | monsieurp | p_l: yeah |
| 21:46.08 | monsieurp | really really fun |
| 21:46.10 | ojwb | socinfo trusts anyone to do most things by default |
| 21:46.11 | socinfo | Error: "trusts" is not a valid command. |
| 21:46.18 | p_l | :D |
| 21:46.22 | ojwb | pats socinfo |
| 21:46.23 | monsieurp | p_l: a bit old I guess? |
| 21:46.39 | monsieurp | Linyos Torovoltos ololool |
| 21:46.51 | omniter | ojwb, shouldn't it assign different permissions to different commands? |
| 21:46.58 | omniter | anyway, i don't see anywhere to apply =\ |
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| 21:47.25 | omniter | or am i early |
| 21:47.30 | monsieurp | that's fuckin' awesome, how great can be the stupidness of people |
| 21:47.44 | p_l | monsieurp: you haven't seen anything yet |
| 21:48.00 | ojwb | well, it's not noon PDT on 23rd yet |
| 21:48.09 | kblin | omniter: you're about one day early |
| 21:48.12 | ojwb | it's still 22nd pd |
| 21:48.14 | ojwb | pdt |
| 21:48.24 | omniter | wait... what the hell... |
| 21:48.27 | omniter | did the date just change |
| 21:48.35 | ojwb | but it's got to the point where people are more interested in the deadline time than what the past week was for I felt |
| 21:48.36 | omniter | omg what the hell |
| 21:48.42 | p_l | it's also still 22nd UTC |
| 21:48.43 | omniter | i could've sworm it was the 23rd!!! |
| 21:48.51 | ojwb | it is here, fwiw |
| 21:49.01 | ojwb | but CA is 20 hours behind NZ |
| 21:49.09 | omniter | ff... what happened ah my brain... |
| 21:49.13 | omniter | i need some sleep |
| 21:49.16 | ojwb | great for hitting gsoc deadlines |
| 21:49.28 | omniter | yarly |
| 21:49.31 | omniter | g'night. or morning. |
| 21:49.40 | ojwb | bye |
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| 21:51.27 | monsieurp | p_l: what's your TZ ? |
| 21:51.47 | Landon | it's always morning when you enter irc, afternoon when someone else enters, night when you leave |
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| 21:52.00 | ojwb | wait, you can leave IRC? |
| 21:52.02 | p_l | monsieurp: UTC |
| 21:52.13 | Landon | ojwb: :P only if you're unlucky |
| 21:52.25 | p_l | monsieurp: but my irc client is in UTC+1 |
| 21:53.03 | straydawg | 's too |
| 21:53.16 | summatusmentis | Landon: what is this I hear about you wanting a mac laptop? |
| 21:53.49 | monsieurp | p_l: ok, same as me, where do you live ? |
| 21:54.06 | monsieurp | p_l: Poland .. |
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| 21:54.21 | monsieurp | answers himself |
| 21:54.22 | p_l | ^_^; |
| 21:54.36 | monsieurp | we talked together earlier :) |
| 21:54.40 | p_l | actually, I live in Scotland, but I'm from poland :P |
| 21:54.56 | Landon | summatusmentis: pipe dreams :p |
| 21:54.57 | Landon | although |
| 21:55.04 | Landon | I'm sure my boss has money to blow heh |
| 21:55.12 | Landon | he wants me to order some of those 30" monitors from apple |
| 21:55.26 | Landon | I want an outside laptop :) |
| 21:55.35 | p_l | puts "Code Monkey.mp3" on headphones |
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| 21:56.22 | monsieurp | p_l: you study in Scotland? |
| 21:56.33 | p_l | monsieurp: yeah, University of Aberdeen |
| 21:56.44 | allisterb | anybody know a good open-source Java IRC client? |
| 21:56.48 | summatusmentis | Landon: I have a proposition for you... |
| 21:56.54 | summatusmentis | how much do you want to spend? |
| 21:57.09 | p_l | should have tried going to japan, would end up cheaper >_< |
| 21:57.20 | monsieurp | p_l: seems cool :) |
| 21:57.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: $100 |
| 21:57.30 | monsieurp | p_l: huhu.. I don't think so |
| 21:57.34 | Landon | :) |
| 21:57.44 | summatusmentis | Landon: that's not helpful :) |
| 21:57.49 | Landon | :P |
| 21:58.00 | Landon | I really dont want to spend any money :\ |
| 21:58.02 | Landon | heh |
| 21:58.04 | p_l | monsieurp: MEXT would pay me a bigger stipend than just for my tuition :P |
| 21:58.34 | dwins | allisterb: why java? |
| 21:58.38 | summatusmentis | Landon: duly noted, if you're interested, I've got a macbook I'd be willing to sell fro maybe ~$850 |
| 21:58.42 | summatusmentis | for* |
| 21:58.54 | Landon | is it BRIGHT |
| 21:58.55 | Landon | :P |
| 21:59.04 | p_l | monsieurp: And I can't find a job :/ |
| 21:59.10 | Landon | I need something to use on my hammock, see |
| 21:59.10 | monsieurp | p_l: yeah, but housing is fu**** expensive in Japan |
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| 21:59.38 | summatusmentis | Landon: it's white. It works pretty well if the screen in all the way up outside |
| 21:59.50 | Landon | dualcore? |
| 21:59.54 | allisterb | dwins, it' s for a gsoc application to write an IRC client for Android. |
| 21:59.59 | p_l | monsieurp: MEXT stipend for undergraduates is ~130k JPY a month. Enough to live :) |
| 22:00.08 | summatusmentis | Landon: yep, 2.16Ghz |
| 22:00.11 | Landon | aha |
| 22:00.15 | Landon | I'll cnosider it |
| 22:00.16 | summatusmentis | 3GB ram |
| 22:00.22 | summatusmentis | applecare |
| 22:00.30 | summatusmentis | non-standard 160GB HD |
| 22:00.32 | Landon | maybe after some soc payments :P haha |
| 22:00.36 | summatusmentis | ;-D |
| 22:00.37 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: I'll trade you for it |
| 22:00.45 | Catfish_Man | same machine, except no applecare and 2GHz |
| 22:00.56 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: haha, seems like you'd win :) |
| 22:01.00 | Catfish_Man | well yeah |
| 22:01.09 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: I'm looking to sell, buy a desktop and a netbook instead |
| 22:01.15 | Landon | Catfish_Man: you should put the adium source on it |
| 22:01.23 | Landon | total deal then |
| 22:01.26 | Landon | ;) |
| 22:01.29 | Catfish_Man | Landon: oh right. That increases the resale value immensely :D |
| 22:01.57 | dwins | "digitally signed by one of the developers!!" |
| 22:02.03 | Landon | whoaho |
| 22:02.18 | Landon | needs to do homework |
| 22:02.19 | Landon | but meh |
| 22:02.19 | Landon | :p |
| 22:02.25 | Catfish_Man | actually the main upgrade I'm looking for is dropping a nice ssd into it sometime :) |
| 22:02.28 | p_l | which project includes writing apps for Android? |
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| 22:02.34 | Landon | p_l: OSUOSL |
| 22:03.02 | arma | it's neat that gsoc has been around several years now. it means we can ask the mentors last year about the students this year. :) |
| 22:03.21 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe |
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| 22:04.00 | l0nwlf | !timeline |
| 22:04.01 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:04.09 | daste | stupid question probably: must gsoc students be university students? |
| 22:04.20 | Catfish_Man | yes, see the faq |
| 22:04.25 | Catfish_Man | !faq |
| 22:04.25 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 22:04.29 | allisterb | did the G1 come out after the iTouch or before? |
| 22:04.43 | lh | daste: you need to be a student. if you are enrolled in an accredited institution and meet the other requirements then you are good to go |
| 22:04.43 | SRabbelier | allisterb: iTouch? |
| 22:04.51 | lh | allisterb: IIRC, after |
| 22:04.59 | allisterb | err iPhone |
| 22:05.00 | SRabbelier | daste: (which includes high schools) |
| 22:05.10 | daste | ah high schools too, ok, that's what i needed to know :-) |
| 22:05.15 | Catfish_Man | allisterb: quite a while after |
| 22:05.33 | allisterb | surprised Apple didn't sue them for the touchscreen drag gesture |
| 22:05.57 | ahuillet | daste : high school do not qualify, unless things have changed since 2005 |
| 22:06.05 | ahuillet | *schools |
| 22:06.14 | p_l | allisterb: which touchscreen drag gesture? |
| 22:06.40 | daste | mmmm.... i've seen the faq but i can't find anything mentoning being a university student as required (maybe i'm a bit blind :-P) |
| 22:07.05 | SRabbelier | allisterb: dude, that's such a trivial patent I don't think anyone in their right mind would try sueing over that |
| 22:07.15 | Catfish_Man | daste: "eligibility" section |
| 22:07.16 | Catfish_Man | point 2 |
| 22:07.17 | ahuillet | # I have been accepted in to an accredited post-secondary school program, but have not yet begun attending. Can I still take part in the program? |
| 22:07.18 | ahuillet | As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 20, 2009, you are eligible to participate in the program. |
| 22:07.18 | p_l | SRabbelier: We are talking USA here... |
| 22:07.21 | ahuillet | I think it's pretty clear ;) |
| 22:07.22 | allisterb | well the G1 has a full touchscreen just like the iphone and you can drag stuff to each side - like drag the main interface to the left to bring up the search bar |
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| 22:07.34 | daste | is dumb, thank you |
| 22:07.44 | SRabbelier | p_l: especially there, they know when not to sue :P |
| 22:07.47 | p_l | allisterb: the same as a lot of other phones before, so what's the point? :D |
| 22:08.05 | allisterb | SRabbelier, when you have money and a lot of expensive lawyers common-sense doesn't apply |
| 22:08.21 | SRabbelier | allisterb: except when the other party does as well |
| 22:08.22 | p_l | used gestures on Windows Mobile for some time |
| 22:08.33 | SRabbelier | allisterb: then all of a sudden it's back online :P |
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| 22:08.47 | allisterb | p_1 oh ok, I thought the iphone was the first |
| 22:08.59 | p_l | allisterb: Well, in USA prior art doesn't apply... |
| 22:09.05 | p_l | snickers |
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| 22:12.20 | p_l | allisterb: personally, I couldn't get used to iPhone's interface |
| 22:12.57 | p_l | _especially_ draggin being completely opposite to everything I used |
| 22:13.30 | allisterb | p_1 I played around with an itouch - it's neat but I might not like a phone like that |
| 22:13.52 | allisterb | is aware he is a apple h8r |
| 22:14.15 | p_l | allisterb: When I was still happily employed, iPhone was the butt of jokes in company (yeah, a telco. And we were just releasing iPhone 3G) |
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| 22:15.04 | allisterb | the G1 has dedicated buttons and ikeyboard which I think is a good idea |
| 22:15.22 | allisterb | is also aware he is a Google fan boi |
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| 22:15.47 | Landon | heh |
| 22:15.53 | SRabbelier | allisterb: that's the first step, the next one is towards fixing that attitude problem |
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| 22:19.50 | p_l | is going to stay with his windows mobile pda, though |
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| 22:21.07 | p_l | neither of the new platforms has the software I keep that PDA for :) |
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| 22:46.09 | devvrat | !log |
| 22:46.10 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 22:46.15 | devvrat | !log |
| 22:46.16 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 22:46.27 | devvrat | !logs |
| 22:46.27 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:46.27 | devvrat | !logs |
| 22:46.28 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:46.30 | devvrat | !logs |
| 22:46.31 | Landon | calm down |
| 22:46.31 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:46.32 | devvrat | !logs |
| 22:46.32 | Landon | o.O |
| 22:46.32 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:46.33 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:46.34 | devvrat | !logs |
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| 22:46.35 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:46.44 | milki | o.O |
| 22:47.21 | lh | what on earth was that all about? |
| 22:47.33 | ojwb | kiddie with a new toy I guess |
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| 22:50.28 | toni_marie | what's funny is I noticed lh's tweet so I came here thinking "wow I should look at the logs to find out what I missed" |
| 22:50.30 | toni_marie | ahhh irony |
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| 22:53.52 | SRabbelier | toni_marie: hehe, irony indeed |
| 22:54.59 | Mathiasd1 | lh: am I correct in thinking that 'no mentoring organisation is really in the area I want to work on' is not enough to apply as a student for GOPO? |
| 22:55.23 | lh | Mathiasd1: if you dont have a mentor lined up, then no it is not enough. |
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| 22:55.27 | lh | !faq |
| 22:55.28 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 22:55.32 | lh | Mathiasd1: search for no organization |
| 22:55.35 | Mathiasd1 | yes, I read the faq :) |
| 22:56.09 | araujo | hello |
| 22:56.16 | Mathiasd1 | it's just that the project I would want to work on (a distributed data storage system) was indeed an idea proposal for an organisation |
| 22:56.20 | Mathiasd1 | but the organisation didn't get in |
| 22:57.53 | sebr | jumps on lh |
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| 22:59.11 | Mathiasd1 | hm, perhaps I'll send a 'first draft' proposal to the mail address mentioned on http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/google |
| 22:59.15 | Mathiasd1 | to see if I have a shot :) |
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| 23:02.03 | ojwb | Mathiasd1: you need to find your own mentor, as lh said |
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| 23:02.44 | Mathiasd1 | yes, I'll look for one |
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| 23:03.56 | MatthewWilkes | evening all! |
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| 23:07.23 | welterde | lh: well.. he found his mentor.. ;) |
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| 23:07.41 | welterde | but that mentor doesn't have a org |
| 23:07.50 | welterde | (because i2p didn't get in) |
| 23:07.56 | lh | welterde: that seems to fit the criteria as listed in the faq |
| 23:08.07 | lh | sebr: how are you seb? :) |
| 23:08.28 | welterde | lh: so.. should i apply as mentor to the google/no org org ? |
| 23:08.45 | sebr | lh: good thank you, just thought i'd say hi, and nice work on this years gsoc. |
| 23:08.58 | lh | welterde: the student does the application to google's open source programs office |
| 23:09.01 | Mathiasd1 | if I understand correctly, I need to send in my application and mention you, welterde. |
| 23:09.05 | sebr | lh: btw, i discovered a mutual friend of ours - James Dumay |
| 23:09.06 | lh | sebr: thanks dear. life is very good here too. |
| 23:09.12 | lh | sebr: i <3 the james! :) |
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| 23:09.20 | welterde | lh: ah ok.. |
| 23:09.24 | sebr | hehe |
| 23:09.27 | welterde | Mathiasd1: do that then ;) |
| 23:09.33 | Mathiasd1 | yup, will do :) |
| 23:09.51 | Mathiasd1 | but afk now, even students need sleep |
| 23:10.26 | welterde | lh: i guess that's the possibilty for ppl who want to mentor anyway, even though their org didn't get in, hu? |
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| 23:11.55 | p_l | current record for staying awake without sleeping is 2 weeks |
| 23:12.13 | lh | welterde: we accept 3 alternate propsals per year max. |
| 23:12.21 | lh | welterde: another port of call for you |
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| 23:12.38 | lh | http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/FOSS_Mentor_Projects |
| 23:12.51 | lh | will be pointing students who were not accepted to gsoc there to gain experience |
| 23:12.55 | lh | why not list i2p? |
| 23:13.11 | loafers | Is gsoc application deadline over? |
| 23:13.20 | Catfish_Man | !timeline |
| 23:13.20 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 23:13.25 | Catfish_Man | loafers: please read that :) |
| 23:13.29 | loafers | ok sry |
| 23:14.07 | loafers | Has anyone here been accepted before? |
| 23:14.09 | welterde | lh: looks promising :) |
| 23:14.13 | Catfish_Man | many people here have |
| 23:15.38 | nerd_boy | Is April 20th -the- date we find out if our proposal is accepted, or might one find out prior to that(if it is a "yea")? |
| 23:16.15 | SRabbelier | nerd_boy: depends on the organization |
| 23:16.26 | SRabbelier | nerd_boy: they might let you know that you have a really good chance of being accepted, etc. etc. |
| 23:16.45 | nerd_boy | Ah, I wasn't sure if there was some "shush shush" rule about it prior to the 20th. |
| 23:16.50 | nerd_boy | Thanks. |
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| 23:25.19 | Acony | when are u starting to submit application(s) :) ? |
| 23:25.57 | ojwb | !next |
| 23:25.57 | socinfo | "next" is March 23: ~12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC - Student application period opens. |
| 23:27.32 | loafers | since its very competitve beginner programmers have no chance whatsoever? |
| 23:27.48 | Erant | Define beginner |
| 23:28.03 | loafers | basic java and c++ |
| 23:28.09 | loafers | freshman |
| 23:28.11 | Catfish_Man | loafers: if the project is one the organization is interested in mentoring, and the student can reasonably complete it in the allotted time period, then they have a chance |
| 23:28.28 | ojwb | especially if you have other useful skills |
| 23:28.40 | loafers | hmm okay |
| 23:28.45 | Erant | loafers: Take a look at some of the suggestions |
| 23:28.51 | Erant | If you think you can do them, well. ;) |
| 23:28.54 | loafers | where can i find the suggestions? |
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| 23:29.18 | nerd_boy | loafers: The 'Ideas' link at the bottom of each mentor organization's page. |
| 23:29.25 | ojwb | most orgs give an approx difficulty rating, and list skills required |
| 23:29.28 | loafers | thanks |
| 23:29.35 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 23:29.36 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 23:29.39 | ojwb | that's also useful |
| 23:29.56 | loafers | thanks im guessing you guys are telling me this because you know i have no chance? |
| 23:30.23 | nerd_boy | loafers: Ha! Not quite. |
| 23:30.36 | ojwb | no |
| 23:30.38 | Catfish_Man | we're helpful people :) |
| 23:30.41 | Catfish_Man | and many of us aren't students |
| 23:30.49 | Erant | loafers: It all depends on how motivated you are really. |
| 23:30.49 | loafers | oh ok |
| 23:30.55 | Erant | Learning is part of the process. |
| 23:30.55 | p_l | loafers: I suspect you might actually have more chances than me (haven't touched C++, hate Java, stayed lately only on Ruby/Python/Haskell/Lisp) |
| 23:31.08 | Erant | p_l: Haskell. ewww. |
| 23:31.37 | p_l | Erant: should I whip out COBOL now? ;P |
| 23:31.51 | Erant | Please refrain from whipping anything out. |
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| 23:32.12 | nerd_boy | Oh! I did have one other question for the time being. The IRC meeting to resolve duplicates of accepted student applications, will the student him/herself have say in which org they end up being in? |
| 23:33.16 | nerd_boy | (Honestly, I was surprised there wasn't/isn't some way for the student to order the applications by preference...) |
| 23:33.47 | MatthewWilkes | nerd_boy: You can tell the orgs which one you'd prefer if two are accepted, in fact they would likely ask you |
| 23:34.00 | nerd_boy | Ah. |
| 23:34.01 | p_l | lh: are you in any way associated with teachingopensource.org? |
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| 23:34.30 | MatthewWilkes | nerd_boy: If you want to be able to order applications by preference, please file an issue at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
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| 23:36.33 | loafers | wow just took a look at the list, looks hard |
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| 23:37.26 | Erant | loafers: How so? |
| 23:37.57 | loafers | well they're orientated towards experienced programmers |
| 23:38.12 | loafers | any projects (not necessarily gsoc) aimed at beginners? |
| 23:38.25 | Erant | loafers: What kind of devving do you do? |
| 23:39.08 | Erant | Also, projects that look insurmountable at first can turn out to be do-able when you actually start them. Just break stuff up into chunks. |
| 23:39.17 | loafers | ic |
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| 23:40.01 | nerd_boy | loafers: What platform(s) do you dev for? If you do Linux, Tux4Kids seems to just be asking to "spruce up" their three kid programs a bit. |
| 23:40.03 | p_l | loafers: You can try hurling yourself into deep water... after some time, you might notice people actually calling you a hacker :D (had seen it happen to a liberal arts major!) |
| 23:40.04 | Erant | loafers: so, what are you looking for? Graphics, audio, embedded, security? |
| 23:40.17 | ojwb | if you're after something outside gsoc, find a project (or a few) in an area which interests you and talk to them |
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| 23:40.30 | loafers | i have no experience in any of those erant |
| 23:40.44 | Erant | loafers: Not what I asked, was it ;) |
| 23:40.48 | loafers | true :) |
| 23:40.58 | Erant | p_l: Best fucking way to learn, imho. |
| 23:41.10 | p_l | Erant: just don't try it with flying |
| 23:41.10 | nerd_boy | >_> |
| 23:41.22 | Erant | They were also examples. CS is diverse as hell |
| 23:41.40 | Erant | p_l: Flying in deep water is ill advised. |
| 23:41.53 | p_l | Erant: I recommend flying high and fast |
| 23:42.00 | Erant | Yessir |
| 23:42.11 | Landon | Erant: as flight 1549 found out first hand |
| 23:42.11 | p_l | :-) |
| 23:42.11 | Landon | :P |
| 23:42.34 | Erant | Can't blame 'm for trying ;) |
| 23:43.12 | Erant | So, yeah. That's how I learned C. Take big project, go do it. |
| 23:43.21 | p_l | they did fscking good job, those pilots |
| 23:43.57 | Landon | heh |
| 23:43.57 | Erant | Especially in fields that you don't get taught at university, it works. Feels good too, when you finish the project. |
| 23:44.03 | Landon | was just reminded of snakes on a plane :\ |
| 23:44.12 | Landon | "I fly on my playstation!" |
| 23:44.33 | p_l | learned Ruby and RoR over a frantic few days trying to replace a braindamaged idea |
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| 23:45.38 | p_l | since that time, I don't touch MySQL unless really forced |
| 23:46.54 | Erant | I don't do much desktop/server coding, so I stay away from databases alltogether ;) |
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| 23:47.56 | loafers | thanks everyone for the suggestions bye |
| 23:48.15 | p_l | Erant: the braindamaged idea was an excel file on a Samba share... |
| 23:48.22 | Erant | Oh eww |
| 23:48.26 | Erant | That's not braindamaged. |
| 23:48.28 | Erant | That's brainless |
| 23:48.31 | p_l | modified concurrently from few computers |
| 23:48.48 | Erant | That doesn't work so well, now does it ;) |
| 23:49.35 | p_l | Erant: Well, if the server was Windows, I'd be less scared. In the end, I got it down as a RoR app and indebted myself to NetBSD a little :D |
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| 23:50.29 | Erant | p_l: And you learned Ruby in the process. Win-win situation :) |
| 23:51.22 | p_l | Erant: And got bragging rights in school :> |
| 23:51.41 | p_l | (but only among the small amount of clued inviduals) |
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