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| 00:00.10 | summatusmentis | (presumably google, but no one has said anything) |
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| 00:00.47 | enginuitor | Dang... that'd suck for anyone who's already worked their *** off on proposals |
| 00:01.06 | chunmun | enginuitor: true |
| 00:01.26 | summatusmentis | enginuitor: they'd withdrawn before student app period opened, I think it was shortly after being accepted as an org |
| 00:01.31 | enginuitor | ah, gotcha |
| 00:01.43 | chunmun | ohk.. |
| 00:02.06 | chunmun | am wondering if any other org was accepted in ubuntu's slot |
| 00:02.11 | enginuitor | "Buncha free development work, exposure and some money? No thanks" |
| 00:02.14 | ojwb | yes, limesurvey |
| 00:02.56 | summatusmentis | enginuitor: presumably they had a valid reason |
| 00:03.06 | Catfish_Man | enginuitor: it's really not as appealing to organizations from a purely selfish standpoint |
| 00:03.13 | Catfish_Man | mentor time is almost always worth far more |
| 00:03.19 | enginuitor | Yeah, I know... I'm being facetious |
| 00:04.06 | chunmun | ok.. can someone plz confirm if the abstract this year is really just 500 chars v/s 2500 for last yr.. |
| 00:04.21 | ojwb | try typing 501 characters in to the box... |
| 00:04.35 | summatusmentis | wait, 500 chars? that's tiny |
| 00:04.38 | summatusmentis | christ |
| 00:04.44 | ojwb | it's completely different software, so it's possible |
| 00:04.45 | chunmun | ojwb: it takes more than 500.. I vent tried submit yet though.. |
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| 00:04.47 | enginuitor | It's an abstract |
| 00:05.09 | chunmun | 500 chars is like two tiny paragraphs.. |
| 00:05.17 | ojwb | ol is pretty sure the abstracts he's seen are longer than 500 |
| 00:05.19 | summatusmentis | well, I know, but I've been seeing '500 words' when peopel say chars |
| 00:05.22 | chunmun | well I thought of it coz of 2500 limit last yr.. |
| 00:05.31 | ojwb | is pretty sure the abstracts he's seen are longer than 500 |
| 00:05.32 | ojwb | even |
| 00:06.01 | summatusmentis | ojwb: the keys o and m, l and e are right next to each other >_> |
| 00:06.05 | summatusmentis | (on qwerty) |
| 00:07.10 | Mek | wasn't the limit 500 chars last year as well (and 2500 for the rest of the proposal) |
| 00:07.16 | ojwb | no, "/me" doesn't seem to work to google talk so I'm used to emoting "by hand" to my gf |
| 00:07.22 | ojwb | hmm, that sounded unduly smutty |
| 00:07.27 | Mek | and the purpose of an abstract is of course to be short |
| 00:07.35 | summatusmentis | ojwb: hawt |
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| 00:07.50 | chunmun | Mek: From last years soc page: Abstract (2500 character limit, text only, no HTML) |
| 00:08.09 | chunmun | 2500 char limit for proposal is a bit too short |
| 00:08.33 | Mek | ah, yes... I see |
| 00:09.19 | mpavel | why don't they count it in words? ^^ (just a suggestion ....) |
| 00:09.29 | chunmun | lh, danderson, anyone else on melange/soc admins around? |
| 00:09.36 | lh | chunmun: hi there |
| 00:09.42 | chunmun | lh: hi :) |
| 00:09.46 | lh | there is no character limit on the proposal, only the abstract |
| 00:09.52 | rwohleb | chunmun: some projects require the full proposal to be documented on the project's site/wiki |
| 00:10.35 | chunmun | lh: so abstract this yr is indeed 500 chars vs 2500 for last yr? |
| 00:10.59 | chunmun | rwohleb: yups thats there :) |
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| 00:20.26 | MTsoul | do students stay at home and code, or do they have to go on-site to Google or the open source organization? |
| 00:20.41 | Catfish_Man | MTsoul: the first option |
| 00:20.45 | p_l | finally back on main connection! |
| 00:20.47 | Catfish_Man | most open source organizations don't have a physical location |
| 00:20.57 | enginuitor | I'm planning on becoming a fixture at various local coffee shops, my self |
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| 00:21.10 | MTsoul | Catfish_Man: sweet. i can be naked and code for work. nice. |
| 00:21.45 | imbusy | you can go to a local library if you need a location to work |
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| 00:21.59 | enginuitor | has worked on a particle accelerator in the nude |
| 00:22.04 | p_l | cafes are quite good places too, but a little expensive |
| 00:22.08 | Erant | MTsoul: Not an option I'd advise for a cafe. |
| 00:22.42 | Erant | Home, or if you get distracted, university or a library, yeah. |
| 00:22.47 | enginuitor | remembers about the public channel log |
| 00:22.55 | p_l | xD |
| 00:23.20 | MTsoul | um. can somebody delete that back there? |
| 00:23.43 | Catfish_Man | I don't know. I sorta doubt it |
| 00:23.44 | Erant | What, that thing that's been plastered all over the internet already? |
| 00:23.48 | enginuitor | hahaha, too late! It's public record! |
| 00:23.55 | jasebo | has changed his mind about ever working at a particle accelerator |
| 00:23.57 | p_l|backup | MTsoul: too late :) |
| 00:24.15 | Erant | And let's put this on bash. For good measure. |
| 00:24.17 | Erant | :P |
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| 00:24.25 | omniter | helloooooo everyone |
| 00:25.06 | enginuitor | The opportunity to delete comments in here lies in GNU readline or your widget library, depending on your IRC client :-) |
| 00:25.09 | omniter | anybody familiar with linux here? |
| 00:25.25 | MTsoul | I need that particle accelerator to go really fast to rewind time so I can change my mind |
| 00:25.34 | omniter | i was just wondering, when you press the Enter key at the commandline, do you get a different char than on Windows? |
| 00:25.38 | jasebo | MTsoul: just login in as MTSoul_ and say "who's that logged in with my nick?" |
| 00:25.46 | p_l|backup | omniter: nope |
| 00:25.50 | omniter | like, on Windows, i get '\n', but on Linux, do you get the same thing or '\r' |
| 00:26.01 | p_l|backup | omniter: \n |
| 00:26.04 | MTsoul | jasebo: a whois would resolve to the same host.. O.o |
| 00:26.11 | omniter | oh wow... shocking, p_l|backup |
| 00:26.17 | omniter | thank you =) |
| 00:26.17 | jasebo | they're smart, these identity theft organisations |
| 00:26.20 | z4chh | do the mentors care that you have a website/blog...ive got both but not updated..thus not very presentable atm |
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| 00:26.56 | p_l|backup | omniter: depends of course on the mode the console is in. I recommend manpages if FSF didn't manage to obliterate them from your system :) |
| 00:27.19 | jasebo | omniter: dos2unix / unix2dos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix2dos |
| 00:27.32 | omniter | manpages? FSF? =\ |
| 00:27.38 | MTsoul | omniter: :set ff=unix |
| 00:27.57 | dho_plan9 | z4chh: Probably not. Really those things are only pertinent if they contain contact information or demonstrate your ability. |
| 00:28.19 | omniter | oh crap... how do i change it back, MTsoul lol |
| 00:28.19 | p_l | omniter: many FSF utils/libs etc. if they have manpages they contain a line that manpages are not maintained much and you are advised to consult info system |
| 00:28.27 | omniter | :set ff=dos ? |
| 00:28.47 | MTsoul | omniter: yeah if you want the linux users to bash you |
| 00:28.51 | p_l | should stop using two nicks at the same time |
| 00:28.53 | omniter | hehe |
| 00:29.27 | jgay | http://noahstokes.com/ |
| 00:29.30 | dho_plan9 | dobra noc p_l :) |
| 00:29.40 | dho_plan9 | or how do you say `good evening' <_< |
| 00:29.40 | p_l | dho_plan9: :) |
| 00:29.46 | p_l | dobry wieczór |
| 00:29.57 | omniter | so if i write a Java program that reads for '\n', will it still work on linux? it's a console app. |
| 00:29.57 | p_l | dobranoc is for "good night" :) |
| 00:30.00 | MTsoul | jgay: what the blinking page is this? gaah my eyes |
| 00:30.04 | dho_plan9 | Yeah, I remembered that much. |
| 00:30.05 | p_l | omniter: it will |
| 00:30.17 | dho_plan9 | Either way, that. |
| 00:30.25 | jgay | MTsoul: it's teh awesome |
| 00:30.39 | omniter | whew. thanks a lot guys. doing an assignment, and i wanna make sure my TAs can run it. |
| 00:31.00 | MTsoul | omniter: why not use readLines or something that is system independent? |
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| 00:32.09 | omniter | MTsoul, oh the assignment provides a Console class that reads one key at a time... |
| 00:32.13 | omniter | we're not allowed to change it =\ |
| 00:32.57 | p_l | oh right, I love that kind of assignments |
| 00:32.58 | MTsoul | omniter: then i guess you can throw away any \r that you see. then it becomes the general case like it would be on linux |
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| 00:33.01 | rwohleb | pretends he didn't hear the work 'java' |
| 00:33.15 | p_l | experienced his most pathetic lecture ever |
| 00:33.52 | MTsoul | are most people here students or mentors or googlers? or homeless people |
| 00:34.06 | p_l | MTsoul: I think I can pass for 1st and last |
| 00:34.09 | ajaksu | homeless |
| 00:34.22 | omniter | MTsoul, i live in the mailbox a block down from you. |
| 00:34.29 | omniter | there's broadband in here. |
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| 00:35.18 | p_l | recalls seeing an opened telephone box full of fiberoptics... next time, he will try hooking it up :3 |
| 00:35.26 | rwohleb | might qualify for the last two options |
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| 00:35.40 | MTsoul | in high school or university? |
| 00:36.06 | p_l | rwohleb: Googler and homeless? Or do you live in the server room, the BOFHly way? :) |
| 00:37.03 | MTsoul | rwohleb: the economy is that bad huh. |
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| 00:38.10 | p_l | MTsoul: The so-called "highly advanced" countries sometimes forgot to mention that they didn't upgrade along the way. It hurts, especially in banking ;_; |
| 00:38.14 | rwohleb | MTsoul: err, let's add not-read-good as an option..... I'm option 2 and 4 |
| 00:38.16 | Bloodmaker | w00t, iz'r happyface =D |
| 00:39.40 | MTsoul | whois p_l |
| 00:39.45 | MTsoul | um |
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| 00:40.17 | z4chh | about submitting project proposals...should i make it all pretty and format it nicely with html? |
| 00:40.19 | MTsoul | okay well i'm guessing you are in some other country cause i get a non printable unicode character |
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| 00:41.01 | p_l | MTsoul: I'm in UK. And banking here is ... obsolete |
| 00:41.26 | MTsoul | p_l: i meant your whois returned some weird character. |
| 00:41.33 | p_l | ? |
| 00:41.33 | MTsoul | p_l: do you guys just carry cash around then? |
| 00:41.43 | jasebo | \me would be option 2 |
| 00:41.52 | jasebo | would use the wrong slash |
| 00:42.07 | MTsoul | p_l: what's the 5th character of your first name? |
| 00:42.09 | p_l | MTsoul: no, but waiting 3 days for a bank transfer is an offense, IMHO |
| 00:42.11 | p_l | MTsoul: Å |
| 00:42.11 | rwohleb | we carry around chickens as currency |
| 00:42.27 | p_l | MTsoul: It's an l crossed diagonally |
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| 00:42.42 | MTsoul | p_l: ah. it looks like a A with a caret on top for me. =/ |
| 00:42.58 | p_l | MTsoul: set encoding to UTF-8 |
| 00:43.14 | MTsoul | rwohleb: google should convert the $4k stipend to chickens |
| 00:43.25 | p_l | the A with a caret is the start of UTF-8 multibyte sequence |
| 00:43.29 | orudge | MTsoul: live or cooked? |
| 00:44.02 | MTsoul | orudge: hmm. how many chickens would that be if it was live? wonder if you can start a small farm with $4k worth of chickens |
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| 00:44.50 | MTsoul | p_l: i'm in Putty, ssh'ed into linux with utf-8 enabled. i have no idea where in the line that messed up. |
| 00:45.05 | p_l | MTsoul: which irc client? |
| 00:45.06 | rwohleb | orudge: live, obviously.... your investment goes nasty if it's cooked |
| 00:45.24 | MTsoul | p_l: irssi |
| 00:45.57 | orudge | ah, didn't see the conversation before... just saw mention of chicken and felt hungry ;) |
| 00:46.04 | p_l | MTsoul: /set term_charset utf-8 |
| 00:46.19 | p_l | MTsoul: sometimes it doesn't help, though |
| 00:46.48 | MTsoul | p_l: this is that some time |
| 00:47.41 | MTsoul | hmm i've got an episode of 24 and heroes recorded from last night. should i go to the gym or watch them? |
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| 00:47.54 | rwohleb | with chicken currency, you have to spend some money to make money.... and protect your capital from foxes..... but it'll return in interest |
| 00:47.58 | z4chh | awwww no preview functionality for the submitting proposals? >.< |
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| 00:48.25 | p_l | MTsoul: well, urxvt-unicode + ssh + screen doesn't have that problem. ãã®ä¸ä¾ã§ãã(dunno if I didn't make a mistake there...) |
| 00:48.57 | MTsoul | p_l: i saw "... have that problem. LGBAI(*#YOI@J(*YDF!!#)#?? if I din't make a ..." |
| 00:49.27 | p_l | wow. That's some fucked up encoding error |
| 00:49.38 | MTsoul | p_l: but no i don't remember if unicode worked on my urxvt |
| 00:49.57 | MTsoul | p_l: i wonder if i can launch it remotely, take a screenshot, upload it, and check. cause i don't get X here. |
| 00:49.58 | p_l | I do recall having problems with unicode in putty, though |
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| 00:51.15 | jasebo | The banks would need to re-tool to handle chicken currency |
| 00:51.30 | jasebo | eftpos would be tricky |
| 00:51.37 | p_l | jasebo: in UK, they need to retool anyway =3= |
| 00:52.21 | jasebo | all the chickens in the UK would be nationalised! It'd be like a socialist chicken army |
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| 00:52.42 | MTsoul | p_l: turns out i need to set unicode in irssi, screen, and putty http://anti.teamidiot.de/nei/2007/02/irssi_putty_screen_unicode_utf/ |
| 00:52.51 | p_l | the banks are already facing nationatisation anyway, in UK |
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| 00:53.05 | p_l | serves them right for having outdated banking system |
| 00:53.05 | rwohleb | jasebo: AIG stooges would get bonues paid in chicken states |
| 00:54.15 | jasebo | I suppose an egg would count as "futures" |
| 00:54.15 | tansell | brlcad, poke? |
| 00:54.15 | MTsoul | in Chinese, "chicken" means a woman with negotiable virtue |
| 00:54.19 | rwohleb | MTsoul: obviously the Chinese ar just ahead of everyone else |
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| 00:55.41 | p_l | is going to give a presentation about gsoc tommorrow, if everything works out |
| 00:56.01 | p_l | erm, today, not tommorrow ^^; |
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| 01:01.06 | Koyla | Hey any one having area of interest as Machine translation and natural lang. processing..?? |
| 01:01.32 | Koyla | is any one is there..with above area of interest..??? |
| 01:02.02 | p_l | is |
| 01:02.38 | ajray | p_l: hi! |
| 01:02.43 | p_l | But I don't think I've got enough skills right now (Well, I kind of can work with n-grams and maybe markov chains, but I'm just starting my work in AI) |
| 01:02.50 | p_l | ajray: Hi |
| 01:03.04 | ajray | still looking at minix? |
| 01:03.07 | p_l|backup | guesses it's time to shutdown failover link |
| 01:03.09 | ajray | or other things now? |
| 01:03.33 | Koyla | p_l: Do u have any idea of co-reference resolution..?? |
| 01:04.05 | p_l | Koyla: Right now, not |
| 01:04.24 | p_l | I might try pestering my proffessors (AI at my Uni seems to be mostly about NLP) |
| 01:04.48 | jasebo | \away eating lunch, looking for sleep in all the wrong places |
| 01:04.49 | Koyla | p_l: kk, anyway wats ur gmail id.. |
| 01:04.50 | jasebo | argh |
| 01:05.05 | Koyla | p_l: in case i need some help in future..?? |
| 01:05.10 | p_l | ajray: I might still send a proposal. Though SBCL would kill MINIX 3 poor VM system :> |
| 01:05.26 | p_l | Koyla: pawel.lasek |
| 01:05.29 | jasebo | looks for keyboard with slash keys in correct place |
| 01:05.38 | p_l | Koyla: But don't expect much :/ |
| 01:05.48 | p_l | Koyla: Doing stuff for Singularity Institute? |
| 01:06.03 | Koyla | kk...thnks i will send u frnz request..... |
| 01:06.14 | Koyla | singularity insti...wats that..?? |
| 01:06.25 | p_l | ^^; |
| 01:06.56 | Koyla | p_l: got it man.. |
| 01:07.00 | p_l | http://opencog.org/wiki/Ideas |
| 01:07.56 | Koyla | anyways ..i have to leave..i'll talk u later.. |
| 01:08.10 | p_l | no problem |
| 01:08.57 | Koyla | yeh i will too...involved with the same.. |
| 01:09.16 | Koyla | p_l: bye, tc |
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| 01:14.46 | alexu_a | lh: ping |
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| 01:16.59 | alexu_a | anyone know if SoC logins can be used as OpenIDs? other spots on appspot give you that capability |
| 01:17.11 | thomastc | if I'd want to work on EclipseFP, the Haskell module for Eclipse, I should apply at the Eclipse project not the Haskell project, rgiht? |
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| 01:18.58 | borja | thomastc: you may want to contact the Eclipse or Haskell mentors about that. |
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| 01:23.02 | thomastc | jah... #haskell-soc is pretty quiet though :( |
| 01:23.13 | thomastc | !timeline |
| 01:23.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 01:23.46 | borja | Is there any contact info on the Haskell ideas page? You can use that too to get in touch with potential mentors. |
| 01:24.12 | borja | Ultimately, you want to submit to the organization that has mentors that would be willing to mentor your project. |
| 01:24.29 | borja | That's why contacting mentors in advance is generally a good strategy. |
| 01:24.30 | borja | !advice |
| 01:24.31 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 01:41.32 | p_l | argh |
| 01:41.44 | p_l | wrong window |
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| 01:57.58 | Sepho | hi everybody |
| 01:58.02 | Sepho | anyone asleep? |
| 01:58.31 | summatusmentis | 'm here |
| 01:58.48 | p_l | Sepho: I think it's the kind of question that doesn't get affirmative responses in this age :P |
| 01:59.19 | Sepho | haha |
| 01:59.40 | p_l | Some folks are working on that, though ;-)( |
| 01:59.42 | p_l | *;-) |
| 02:00.12 | Sepho | I'm reading the news of gsoc and I've a quiestion.. I NEED to send my own project or I can choose one of the mentors offers? |
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| 02:00.50 | Raim | Sepho: for what would the orgs offer ideas if you could not take one? :) |
| 02:01.07 | thomastc | you can choose one, but I guess you'll have to describe it in your own words usually |
| 02:01.09 | p_l | Sepho: Both. If your proposal is good enough, they might take the project you offerred |
| 02:01.25 | thomastc | because most provided project ideas are not specific enough |
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| 02:01.39 | thomastc | (from what I've seen) |
| 02:01.47 | p_l | Being too specific isn't good |
| 02:01.54 | Raim | thomastc: may also be on purpose |
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| 02:02.34 | Raim | thomastc: maybe the student could even develop a better way to solve the problem? |
| 02:02.39 | Sepho | ok, so I need to send the proposition to the mentor's mail contact, right? |
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| 02:03.35 | Raim | Sepho: you should get in contact with the mentors first. talk about the project, make sure you understand fully what it is about |
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| 02:03.45 | cookie | hi i was wondering, what are the odds of getting picked |
| 02:03.51 | cookie | i mean how many people apply |
| 02:03.57 | Sepho | thanks Raim :) |
| 02:04.01 | cookie | and how many get approved |
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| 02:04.07 | p_l | !doitanyway |
| 02:04.07 | socinfo | "doitanyway" is http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html |
| 02:04.09 | p_l | ;-) |
| 02:04.10 | thomastc | p_l: why is there such a thing as "too specific"? |
| 02:04.13 | Raim | Sepho: then, write an application. maybe discuss with your mentors again and submit it on the google soc site |
| 02:04.20 | p_l | thomastc: oh yes, there is |
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| 02:04.39 | nsm | ya me too |
| 02:04.46 | the9a3eedi | I wonder why ubuntu decided to withdraw from GSoC? |
| 02:04.54 | summatusmentis | you should ask them |
| 02:04.58 | summatusmentis | afaik, no one here knows |
| 02:05.09 | p_l | thomastc: when you see me with foaming mouth covered in blood screaming something about too specific braindamaged spec, it means I just finished another uni java assignment |
| 02:05.20 | thomastc | hahaha :D |
| 02:05.25 | the9a3eedi | summatusmentis: I asked in #ubuntu, they told me to ask here :P |
| 02:05.37 | the9a3eedi | checks #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 02:06.13 | p_l | thomastc: my first assignment had several of the "required by spec" places commented with "How *NOT* to design programs" |
| 02:06.40 | summatusmentis | the9a3eedi: I would guess google knows the reason, but lh has said to ask ubuntu |
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| 02:07.47 | p_l | thomastc: the second one was less specific, but due to requiring use of a braindamaged version of drawing routines instead of JRE ones, it ended having a certain block that started with "THIS IS FORTRAN!!" |
| 02:08.10 | p_l | If I wasn't time constrained, I'd mimick Fortran H in the latest one |
| 02:09.32 | ojwb | cookie: last year, ~7000 apps from ~3000 students for 1125 places |
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| 02:09.56 | ojwb | so for the non-existent "average" person, about 1 in 3 chance |
| 02:10.08 | ojwb | if you can write a decent application, it's significantly higher though |
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| 02:10.24 | p_l | cookie: send multiple *good* applications and "sell yourself" well :) |
| 02:11.37 | ojwb | my feeling is 2 or at most 3 applications - that means that you avoid just being unlucky with applying for the same project as a "superstar" candidate, while still being able to spend the time to do a good job |
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| 02:12.50 | dsspence | Anyone in the Pittsburgh area plan to participate or mentor? |
| 02:13.05 | summatusmentis | I know at least one person from OpenAFS is in pitt |
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| 02:13.42 | summatusmentis | and he's probably mentoring |
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| 02:14.45 | ajray1 | ojwb: I'm with you , i'm keeping it to ~5 projects over maybe 3 projects |
| 02:14.54 | ajray1 | 5 proposals* |
| 02:15.02 | cookie | thanks for your feedback |
| 02:15.51 | cookie | i'm pretty good at (and always improving in) php |
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| 02:16.17 | ojwb | ajray1: i'd talk to the org before writing more than one proposal to the same org |
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| 02:17.02 | cookie | but open to learning languages |
| 02:17.05 | ojwb | it might be they think you're a much better fit for one of the projects, or already have lots of interest in one |
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| 02:17.41 | dsspence | @summatusmentis Okay I'm aware of OpenAFS .. I suppose I should read up more on the basic information, but feel inferior because I haven't done anything substantial in open source. |
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| 02:18.17 | p_l | !doitanyway |
| 02:18.17 | socinfo | "doitanyway" is http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html |
| 02:18.23 | p_l | dsspence: ^ link above :) |
| 02:19.07 | ojwb | nothing stopping you asking if a project that interests you is popular with other students - they may not want to discuss such things, but I think most orgs will |
| 02:19.20 | ojwb | you can also look if other people have discussed it on mailing lists or irc logs |
| 02:20.33 | summatusmentis | dsspence: I was brand new to OpenAFS last year and they accepted me |
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| 02:22.14 | dsspence | Excellent |
| 02:23.17 | summatusmentis | that said, it's a hard project |
| 02:23.22 | summatusmentis | huge learning curve |
| 02:23.35 | summatusmentis | but prove you're capable |
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| 02:24.20 | ojwb | for the less famous projects, it's unusual for applicants to have hacked on them or even used them before |
| 02:24.32 | ojwb | not sure "less famous" is quite the right term |
| 02:24.52 | dsspence | gotcha |
| 02:25.22 | summatusmentis | ojwb: 'smaller' ? |
| 02:26.02 | ojwb | well, project size isn't necessarily well correlated with how widely used stuff is |
| 02:26.18 | ojwb | and some projects are more/less likely to be used by students |
| 02:26.25 | dsspence | I guess the process is a little mystifying to me at this point although I will admit to having not read everything on the site |
| 02:26.39 | p_l | heh, how many people heard of Plan9? Despite its availability or widespread influence (/proc anyone?) |
| 02:26.49 | summatusmentis | p_l: I have, actually |
| 02:26.51 | ojwb | has |
| 02:26.59 | ojwb | the movie is worth a watch too |
| 02:27.00 | caden | ive heard of the ed wood movie |
| 02:27.03 | summatusmentis | but I'm kind of an OS nerd |
| 02:27.16 | cookie | the youtube channel is good |
| 02:27.25 | cookie | although they do emphasise the money |
| 02:27.26 | caden | ojwb: i tend to think of it as a few hours of my life i'll never get back |
| 02:27.48 | ojwb | it's so bad it's great though |
| 02:27.53 | caden | gsoc youtube channel or is there a plan 9 youtube channel |
| 02:27.54 | p_l | summatusmentis: Well, I heard too, but I qualify as wacko retrocomputing man (ITS, TOPS-20, VAX/VMS, 4.3BSD, Unix V7 etc... :P) |
| 02:28.03 | summatusmentis | p_l: :-D |
| 02:28.04 | cookie | gsoc i meant |
| 02:28.57 | z4chh | !timeline |
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| 02:28.57 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 02:29.02 | p_l | ITS help system was evil, though. You don't want to be referred to a book "lying somewhere <place info somewhere on MIT campus near old PDP-10 console rooms>" when you want to use TECO :> |
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| 02:30.33 | Gaurav__ | can anyone give me some accepted applications last year ? |
| 02:31.29 | knottnhupfer | nmap has such an application on their homepage |
| 02:31.37 | ojwb | there's this search site thing |
| 02:31.39 | ojwb | called google |
| 02:31.53 | summatusmentis | Gaurav__: mine is at http://cda.morris.umn.edu/~theba004/Summer-of-Code-2008-Application_OpenAFS_kernel.pdf |
| 02:32.08 | summatusmentis | no guarantee's on quality |
| 02:32.13 | summatusmentis | just that it was accepted |
| 02:32.18 | Gaurav__ | summatusmentis: |
| 02:32.23 | Gaurav__ | summatusmentis: thanks |
| 02:32.26 | summatusmentis | sure thing |
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| 02:47.00 | dsspence | Most mentoring organizations are location independent, correct? |
| 02:47.15 | summatusmentis | I would say all are? |
| 02:47.25 | summatusmentis | because they're expecting students from everywhere |
| 02:47.51 | ojwb | I'd think so |
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| 02:48.28 | ojwb | orgs are allow to impose restrictions on students above those google do, so it's not impossible an org could restrict by location I guess, but I'd be surprised if any did |
| 02:48.39 | summatusmentis | I would be too |
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| 02:50.35 | cookie | i read its more to do with timezone compatibillity with mentors |
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| 02:51.57 | Raim | cookie: I wouldn't drop a student just because the mentor is in another timezone |
| 02:52.06 | Raim | cookie: that's just natural in the open source world :) |
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| 02:54.12 | dsspence | This is all very exciting, I think I'll spend less time dwelling on the ifs and take action, thanks. |
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| 02:58.58 | unimauro | hi friends |
| 03:00.09 | unimauro | a question. I want to participate in GsoC ... Now I will sign up and send my proposal or the register is closed |
| 03:00.10 | unimauro | ? |
| 03:00.35 | tushar_hailstone | No registration is open |
| 03:02.01 | mmadia | iirc, it is open from now until ~19:00UTC on Apr 3rd. |
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| 03:05.07 | dsspence | does anyone know of any organizations using objective-c? |
| 03:05.57 | Landon | !orgsbylang |
| 03:05.57 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 03:07.13 | dsspence | perfect |
| 03:07.16 | damith | !next |
| 03:07.16 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 03:12.42 | ojwb | yeah, timezones might be a factor for which mentors get which students, but whichever timezones you're in, there's some time when you're both awake |
| 03:12.54 | ojwb | and email works |
| 03:13.05 | summatusmentis | timezones are definitely a factor |
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| 03:22.09 | meonkeys | Ideas and application template for the Mifos project have been updated. |
| 03:25.31 | zooko | http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe <-- "2009-03-24 -- We were rejected from the Google Summer of Code. Here is our cunning plan to mentor willing students anyway. |
| 03:26.04 | summatusmentis | rejected is such a harsh word |
| 03:26.40 | caden | well.... when it happens to you it doesn't feel like "not selected" |
| 03:26.45 | caden | it feels like "rejected" |
| 03:26.57 | summatusmentis | caden: yes, that's all true |
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| 03:27.14 | summatusmentis | but 'rejected' implies an active dislike on the part of the rejecter |
| 03:27.24 | summatusmentis | which, I would bet if you ask lh, is not the case |
| 03:27.30 | zooko | Rejection hurts. |
| 03:27.44 | summatusmentis | at least in the sense of 'open source project' |
| 03:27.51 | summatusmentis | zooko: yes, I agree |
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| 03:28.06 | summatusmentis | it's just a harsh word |
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| 03:33.47 | bfly2000 | hey does anyone have any suggestions on projects that work with java, that would be good for someoene with little experience in working in a practical dev enviroment |
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| 03:35.09 | grantwu | Yeah, I have the same question only with C++ instead of Java. I feel like a lot of the projects I've read about are really intimidating. |
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| 03:37.24 | vinc456 | bfly2000: i think i saw a project implementing graph algorithms |
| 03:38.11 | vinc456 | bfly2000: graph algorithms in java, i don't remember the org but that seems pretty straightforward |
| 03:38.33 | summatusmentis | !orgsbylang |
| 03:38.33 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 03:40.35 | grantwu | Oh wow, thanks. I didn't know that existed. |
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| 03:43.07 | ojwb | wonders if those links should be in the faq or notes for students |
| 03:43.12 | ojwb | if they aren't already |
| 03:43.50 | summatusmentis | they're not technically official |
| 03:44.47 | grantwu | Gotta love delicious though |
| 03:44.49 | ojwb | no, but should that matter? |
| 03:45.24 | ojwb | seems a bit random that we have to keep pointing people at them just because they were put together "unofficially" |
| 03:45.37 | summatusmentis | ojwb: there might be an argument to be made that Google is liable if a student applies and gets in, but was assuming a different language |
| 03:45.58 | ojwb | that seems a bit of a reach |
| 03:45.59 | summatusmentis | talk to lh, she might do it, I'm just cojecturing right now |
| 03:46.04 | summatusmentis | well clearly |
| 03:46.07 | ojwb | the application process should make it clear |
| 03:46.21 | summatusmentis | you'd be surprised |
| 03:46.41 | summatusmentis | that said, IANAGE, so I don't really know |
| 03:46.42 | grantwu | well I think if the student somehow manages to get into a project with the wrong language, there's a bigger problem there |
| 03:47.06 | ojwb | that suggests to me lack of care by the org too really |
| 03:48.13 | vinc456 | i think it would be useful if the channel op could add a blurb to !help in the topic |
| 03:48.15 | vinc456 | !help |
| 03:48.15 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 03:50.08 | ojwb | it's already linked to in fact |
| 03:50.10 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents |
| 03:50.34 | ojwb | first paragraph of "Choosing a Mentoring Organization" |
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| 03:51.09 | ojwb | will feel less kindly towards people who haven't found it then... |
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| 03:54.20 | ojwb | quality comments on that page |
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| 04:03.32 | junkman | i have a ques to ask |
| 04:03.43 | junkman | i've worked much more on c++ thn c |
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| 04:04.22 | junkman | does minix prog requires to have a quiet good hand at c |
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| 04:04.53 | junkman | other way round...is it totally based on C |
| 04:05.00 | scorche | !askyourorg |
| 04:05.00 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 04:05.42 | junkman | where can i find'm |
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| 04:05.59 | jasebo | #minix |
| 04:06.11 | junkman | okzzz |
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| 04:09.44 | ajray1 | bfly2000: not really. You want to be the best candidate for whatever you apply for, so apply for something that does best with your strong suit. |
| 04:10.22 | ajray1 | jasebo: whats in #minix? |
| 04:10.47 | scorche | minix people, probably |
| 04:11.08 | jasebo | yep |
| 04:11.19 | jasebo | minix people |
| 04:11.46 | scorche | kind of like lego people...but with minix |
| 04:11.51 | jasebo | that was for junkman |
| 04:12.09 | junkman | ok..... |
| 04:12.11 | junkman | i got tht |
| 04:12.17 | jasebo | :) |
| 04:12.22 | junkman | : |
| 04:12.25 | junkman | :) |
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| 04:22.20 | ajray1 | jasebo: the applicants for #minix are pretty intense. Most of us are already porting applications to Minix to go with our application. Theres already been GNU Tar, Curl, libintl, and I'm doing CScope. |
| 04:23.21 | jasebo | ajrayl: ok :-) Junkman was just asking questions about minix, and so it seemed sensible for him to ask minix people |
| 04:24.09 | ajray1 | jasebo: thats awesome. the more the merrier |
| 04:25.24 | summatusmentis | ajray1: wait, porting applications to go along with your proposal? like, before you're even accepted? |
| 04:25.49 | ajray1 | yeah, isnt that funny, because porting is a project too right? |
| 04:26.16 | ajray1 | summatusmentis: but when you look at it, porting an application shows all the skills you want to see in a minix dev. |
| 04:26.36 | summatusmentis | ajray1: I suppose, that's just really really intense |
| 04:29.12 | ajray1 | summatusmentis: in reality its just this: downloading sorce, trying to make it |
| 04:29.20 | ajray1 | then f-ing with the source until it compiles completely |
| 04:29.37 | summatusmentis | yeah, that makes sense, but still. That's a fair amount of work |
| 04:29.38 | ajray1 | but you need a working minix (in a VM or on a machine) to do it on |
| 04:29.54 | ajray1 | it sounds like its a whole lot, but youre just building someone elses code |
| 04:30.16 | vinc456 | i prefer the hand-wavy "i'll have this done by so and so", here's a pretty gantt chart ^_^ |
| 04:31.04 | ojwb | it should require much in the way of changes |
| 04:31.09 | ojwb | should *NOT* |
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| 04:31.23 | ojwb | not like porting code to windows, say |
| 04:32.06 | ojwb | depending what you pick I guess - lower level stuff is likely to be more work |
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| 04:32.57 | summatusmentis | sure |
| 04:33.26 | vinc456 | doesn't seem fair to those who do not have free time this week |
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| 04:33.58 | ojwb | and even if the answer is "it doesn't compile with these errors and I can't see how to fix it", you at least know they've managed to get a working minix install |
| 04:34.31 | ojwb | gsoc arguably isn't fair in many ways |
| 04:34.37 | ajray1 | ojwb: Yes! and by asking they get involved in the community. |
| 04:34.55 | ajray1 | vinc456: its not an end-all be-all |
| 04:35.08 | ajray1 | those of us with time are doing, and everyone just does what they can |
| 04:35.37 | ajray1 | vinc456: Also, a LOT of us have had Minix for some sort of OS class or another, so we already have a VM or something we can poke at. |
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| 04:41.16 | omniter_ | ah crap... windows explorer crashed, and i can't open my other IRC window, so when i started IRC, it opened up a NEW window... |
| 04:41.19 | omniter_ | now there's 2 of me -_- |
| 04:41.45 | summatusmentis | ghost? |
| 04:41.57 | ajray1 | omniter_ I'm a linux user. no problems here. |
| 04:42.07 | omniter_ | can i do that? if i'm actually signed in on this computer? |
| 04:42.17 | hypa7ia | learned c on minix! |
| 04:42.18 | summatusmentis | if you've got the nick reg'd, yes |
| 04:42.29 | omniter_ | ah... naw i don't have it reg'd |
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| 04:42.36 | summatusmentis | hrm |
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| 04:43.07 | omniter_ | ajray1, yeah seriously, right? windows is incredibly frustrating. i wish i didn't need it. |
| 04:43.31 | vinc456 | if you wait you'll eventually time out, and you can just "/nick omniter" |
| 04:43.45 | omniter_ | vinc456, it's not a ghost though |
| 04:43.47 | summatusmentis | funny, we're just talking in #openafs how linux is frustrating from their standpoint |
| 04:43.49 | omniter_ | i'm logged in twice on this computer. |
| 04:43.53 | omniter_ | i just can't open the other window |
| 04:44.01 | summatusmentis | omniter_: that's all ghosts are, kinda of |
| 04:44.33 | omniter_ | summatusmentis, orly? i'm pretty sure the other omniter won't go away, if i'm actively signed in from the other window. |
| 04:44.42 | ajray1 | omniter_: you dont need it. (you just need to escape the matrix :-P) |
| 04:44.45 | summatusmentis | omniter_: oh, that's a good point |
| 04:44.48 | summatusmentis | hrr |
| 04:45.02 | omniter_ | whenever explorer crashes, some of the system tray icons disappear |
| 04:45.05 | omniter_ | it's incredibly annoying |
| 04:45.21 | ajray1 | omniter_: get an open source os |
| 04:45.34 | omniter_ | i would, but everything i use runs on windows |
| 04:45.45 | omniter_ | all my games too :( |
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| 04:45.48 | summatusmentis | ajray1: oh god, I didn't mean to start an os war in #openafs :) |
| 04:46.18 | omniter_ | and my harddrive is tiny. can't fit another OS on it. i have an external harddisk, but is it possible to run an OS off of that? |
| 04:46.36 | summatusmentis | ajray1: it died, kinda. That and because of licensing issues they're stuck tracking the kernel versions, etc. |
| 04:46.43 | summatusmentis | omniter_: it's possible, yes |
| 04:46.46 | omniter_ | i seriously wanna give linux a try, but i want a safe foot on windows before i take the step, ya know? |
| 04:46.56 | ajray1 | omniter_: i have a 70G hdd with 5 os's on it. each takes less than 4g. |
| 04:46.59 | summatusmentis | check out virtual machines too |
| 04:47.08 | ajray1 | summatusmentis: agreed. |
| 04:47.23 | omniter_ | that's wicked. i still have 300 + gigs free on mine |
| 04:47.31 | the9a3eedi | I need advice. I'm planning on using ubuntu for devving (porbably not the best choice, but its fast to setup). I wanted to compile some apps from source in order to make sure I'm up to the task for GSoC.. such as Amarok. Unfortunately, all the dependencies that ubuntu provides are out of date.. like kde-libs and qt4.. and so I'd have to compile from source. Does that mean that I'd have to remove the ubuntu pack |
| 04:47.31 | the9a3eedi | ages? or can I just compile the packages from source and install them wihtout having any conflicts? |
| 04:47.41 | omniter_ | and like 26 gigs free on my actual harddrive. |
| 04:48.12 | summatusmentis | the9a3eedi: you'll likely run into conflicts |
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| 04:48.20 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: i'd look for more up to date packages |
| 04:48.35 | the9a3eedi | hypa7ia: the thing is ubuntu doesn't provide up-to-date packages |
| 04:48.51 | the9a3eedi | summatusmentis: I see. guess I'm going to have to remove the packages then |
| 04:50.07 | ajray1 | the9a3eedi: the packages are *mostly* up to date though. the ones you really need you'll probably be compiling yourself, so i think ubuntu would be a good platform. |
| 04:50.42 | ajray1 | If you're really into micromanaging your environment, Arch provides a TON of flexibility in every little aspect, but it requires a bit more expertise to navigate successfully. |
| 04:51.00 | thebolt | hi |
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| 04:52.20 | the9a3eedi | ajray1: I'm getting dependency problems trying to compile the latest amarok. it needs the latest kde-libs, which isnt provided by ubuntu. latest kde-libs require latest qt4, which isnt provided by ubuntu either :P |
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| 04:52.34 | ojwb | the9a3eedi: you can just install your hand-built stuff under /usr/local |
| 04:52.35 | the9a3eedi | and I'm worried that if I remove qt4, then my kubuntu desktop will get messed up |
| 04:52.47 | ojwb | which most packages will do by default if you build them from source |
| 04:52.48 | the9a3eedi | ojwb: is there a guide to that? |
| 04:52.52 | ajray1 | probably |
| 04:52.53 | the9a3eedi | oh I see |
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| 04:52.56 | ajray1 | ask #ubuntu |
| 04:53.04 | the9a3eedi | #ubuntu is just too busy -__- |
| 04:53.05 | ojwb | well, there's INSTALL inside many packages |
| 04:53.16 | ojwb | #ubuntu-<country code> is worth a try |
| 04:53.22 | the9a3eedi | j,, |
| 04:53.23 | the9a3eedi | hmm |
| 04:53.25 | the9a3eedi | lets see |
| 04:54.25 | the9a3eedi | wow.. #ubuntu-ca is quite empty :P |
| 04:54.26 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: yeah, -ca is very quiet |
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| 04:54.26 | the9a3eedi | hypa7ia: but do people actually reply? :p |
| 04:54.26 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: there should be packages for things like qt-4 in a PPA or otherwise in testing |
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| 05:00.50 | the9a3eedi | guess I'd rather compile them. It'll impress the potential mentor that I actually managed to compile everything :P |
| 05:00.53 | the9a3eedi | at least, I hope it does.. shows that I'm interested |
| 05:00.57 | the9a3eedi | :P |
| 05:01.11 | the9a3eedi | hm.. qt4 is going to take a while to compile |
| 05:01.19 | the9a3eedi | so wait.. ojwb .. if I already have a package installed through ubuntu's package manager, and if a source tarball installs to /usr/local .. does that mean that there probably wont be any conflicts? |
| 05:01.38 | ojwb | there shouldn't be |
| 05:02.18 | ojwb | if you install a library (like libqt4) there, you'll need to tell stuff you build to look there |
| 05:02.50 | ojwb | I don't know Qt, but it might be something like doing: export QT_CONFIG=/usr/local/bin/qt-config |
| 05:03.15 | the9a3eedi | ah |
| 05:03.21 | ojwb | hypa7ia: suggestion of looking for package in a PPA or backports might be easier |
| 05:03.29 | ojwb | or you could use the jaunty beta |
| 05:03.44 | the9a3eedi | i hear the jaunty beta isnt out until april |
| 05:03.48 | the9a3eedi | and I can't wait that long.. |
| 05:03.49 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: backports |
| 05:03.51 | the9a3eedi | there's alpha, but.. its alpha |
| 05:03.53 | hypa7ia | look in backports |
| 05:03.57 | ojwb | well, the beta is out now I think |
| 05:03.57 | hypa7ia | http://packages.ubuntu.com/ |
| 05:03.59 | hypa7ia | start there |
| 05:04.04 | ojwb | the release is about a month away |
| 05:04.21 | the9a3eedi | I see |
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| 05:04.47 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: qt4 is in intrepid |
| 05:04.56 | hypa7ia | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qt4&searchon=names&suite=intrepid§ion=all |
| 05:05.01 | ojwb | tomorrow it seems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule |
| 05:05.06 | ojwb | but listen to her not me |
| 05:05.25 | the9a3eedi | will check out backports |
| 05:05.28 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: it's in main... not sure where you've been looking |
| 05:05.40 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: look at the link i just pasted |
| 05:06.01 | ojwb | ah |
| 05:06.04 | ojwb | he needs newer |
| 05:06.07 | ojwb | "I'm getting dependency problems trying to compile the latest amarok. it needs the latest kde-libs, which isnt provided by ubuntu. latest kde-libs require latest qt4, which isnt provided by ubuntu either" |
| 05:06.10 | hypa7ia | ohhhhh |
| 05:06.14 | the9a3eedi | I'm worried about enabling the backports repo though.. it will tell me to update my packages, then everything will start breaking :P |
| 05:06.15 | hypa7ia | but wait |
| 05:06.25 | hypa7ia | oh never mind |
| 05:06.27 | ojwb | backports is pretty safe |
| 05:06.30 | hypa7ia | yeah |
| 05:06.38 | ojwb | you can pin stuff to only update some packages |
| 05:06.41 | hypa7ia | i'm running backports now and it's fine |
| 05:06.47 | the9a3eedi | hmm |
| 05:06.48 | ojwb | but I've always had it on and I don't recall a problem ever |
| 05:06.59 | the9a3eedi | oh well this ubuntu install is mainly made for devving |
| 05:07.02 | the9a3eedi | so.. sure why not |
| 05:07.29 | the9a3eedi | lets see if backports has the qt4 I need |
| 05:07.46 | ojwb | there shouldn't be anything fundamental enough to easily hose the system in backports anyway |
| 05:08.52 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. they dont seem to have qt4.5 :( |
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| 05:09.15 | the9a3eedi | amarok requires >4.5 .__. |
| 05:09.16 | hypa7ia | i'd look for a ppa next then |
| 05:09.21 | the9a3eedi | ppa? |
| 05:09.23 | hypa7ia | still easier than building it from source |
| 05:09.29 | the9a3eedi | maybe I should've installed gentoo :P |
| 05:09.43 | the9a3eedi | googles the meaning of "ppa" |
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| 05:09.49 | hypa7ia | the9a3eedi: ppa's are personal package archives, put up by devs for bleeding-edge packages or otherwise unsupported stuff |
| 05:09.57 | the9a3eedi | "professional photographers of america" |
| 05:10.08 | hypa7ia | haha |
| 05:10.11 | the9a3eedi | hypa7ia: i see.. |
| 05:10.19 | the9a3eedi | lets see if kde has something like that |
| 05:10.45 | hypa7ia | http://ppa-search.appspot.com/ <-- qt4.5 is in the tag cloud |
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| 05:14.11 | the9a3eedi | well I'm compiling it as I browse PPA's.......... just in case |
| 05:14.28 | the9a3eedi | but thanks hypa7ia and ojwb for the help :) really appreciate it |
| 05:15.42 | hypa7ia | you're welcome, the9a3eedi |
| 05:15.54 | hypa7ia | now i should go post the ALD post i've been procrastinating on :) |
| 05:17.45 | omniter_ | is everybody busy applying? =D |
| 05:17.52 | summatusmentis | I am |
| 05:19.32 | lh | is busy reading the news |
| 05:20.18 | the9a3eedi | gah.. cant find anything in ppa-search |
| 05:20.22 | the9a3eedi | guess I'm going to have to compile it |
| 05:20.43 | summatusmentis | lh: what?!? you only have another week and a half to apply! Get on that! |
| 05:22.01 | vinc456 | summatusmentis: i think lh is the gsoc coordinator |
| 05:22.28 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. qt4.5 just recently got released.. like.. 3 weeks ago |
| 05:22.33 | summatusmentis | vinc456: she is, I'm just joking |
| 05:22.36 | lh | summatismentis: i'll procrastinate until friday 2 hours before the deadline like everyone else |
| 05:22.45 | the9a3eedi | how lucky |
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| 05:23.00 | summatusmentis | lh: that's the way to do it, make sure you have tie to get feedback |
| 05:24.31 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 05:24.51 | lh | thebolt: greetings |
| 05:24.54 | thebolt | lh: i cannot do that.. won't be around a computer on next friday ;-) |
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| 05:25.18 | lh | summatismentis: exactly. talk to your mentors people. :) |
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| 05:25.28 | lh | thebolt: ok then procrastinate until thursday |
| 05:26.06 | thebolt | lh: well, in fact my internet access from this friday on will be mobile-phone only.. so only fixing and commenting onmy submissions, not making them ;) |
| 05:26.15 | thebolt | so i am already almost finished to submit them :) |
| 05:26.25 | thebolt | is not big on procrastination.. |
| 05:26.32 | summatusmentis | lh: as a matter of nit-pickiness it's summatus, not summatis >_> |
| 05:27.00 | summatusmentis | not like I care, it just doesn't trigger a nick highlight |
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| 05:30.00 | lh | summatusmentis: and you have just taught me that mibbit support autocomplete for nick |
| 05:30.02 | lh | thanks |
| 05:30.11 | lh | thebolt: congratulations. :) |
| 05:30.23 | summatusmentis | lh: :-D anything I can do to help |
| 05:30.31 | lh | s/nick/nicks |
| 05:30.50 | lh | is getting used to netbook keyboard |
| 05:30.53 | summatusmentis | tip #2: if you add another / at the end, ibot will fix it |
| 05:31.02 | hypa7ia | lh: which one did you get? |
| 05:31.18 | hypa7ia | finally put her Wind back together after getting it back from repairs for the 3rd time :s |
| 05:31.29 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: the Winds are so expensive :( |
| 05:32.34 | lh | hypa7ia: it's an acer inspire one. it's blue and shiny. |
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| 05:35.02 | hypa7ia | ooh, those are pretty |
| 05:35.12 | hypa7ia | summatusmentis: when i got it the canadian dollar was really strong :( |
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| 05:35.52 | summatusmentis | hypa7ia: ah. I want the eee901, but we've had this convsersation |
| 05:36.08 | hypa7ia | oh right, i forgot, hehe |
| 05:36.23 | summatusmentis | >_> I'll obsess more if you want :-P |
| 05:36.28 | thebolt | i've been looking to get one (not sure about which).. and now that the swedish krona is gaining i might have money to get one before i leave Taiwan ;) |
| 05:36.50 | summatusmentis | go ssd and atom if you can |
| 05:37.00 | summatusmentis | obviously |
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| 05:44.46 | thebolt | summatusmentis: well, in terms of what one can find i think i'll find all brands and models there is in the electronics warehouse down the street ;) |
| 05:45.02 | summatusmentis | thebolt: :-D |
| 05:45.13 | lh | thebolt: not as much selection at fry's but i just wanted to get one. like now. |
| 05:45.36 | thebolt | lh: :) well, the aspire ones are cool :) |
| 05:47.14 | lh | thebolt: i am loving her so far |
| 05:48.05 | hypa7ia | pets tiny pink laptop |
| 05:48.17 | thebolt | lh: hehe :) i could use the same expression to describe my current state of mind (without the far) but not about a piece of technology.. :P |
| 05:49.03 | lh | thebolt: that's terrific. :) |
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| 05:49.49 | thebolt | indeed it is.. but not very productive or advantage formy studies :P |
| 05:50.58 | summatusmentis | what I really need is infinite amounts of money, then I could join the cool netbook crowd :) |
| 05:51.02 | thebolt | hehe |
| 05:51.07 | thebolt | who doesn't need that ?:) |
| 05:51.27 | summatusmentis | touché |
| 05:52.02 | jasebo | I lent my netbook to someone who ran away with it. Hopefully the govt will bail me out :-) |
| 05:52.06 | summatusmentis | or a buyer for my macbook |
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| 05:52.32 | thebolt | i'll get a $300+ bill for helium end of next week :/ |
| 05:52.39 | thebolt | that are among the less fun expenses |
| 05:52.53 | lh | thebolt: helium? for....? |
| 05:52.57 | thebolt | lh: going diving |
| 05:52.58 | summatusmentis | why do they bill your for helium? |
| 05:53.01 | ojwb | getting a high pitched voice! |
| 05:53.01 | summatusmentis | oh |
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| 05:53.09 | thebolt | deep diving :P |
| 05:53.10 | summatusmentis | ojwb: :-D |
| 05:53.27 | thebolt | ojwb: that is just a side-effect :) |
| 05:54.22 | lh | that's what i thought. that's a lot of money. |
| 05:55.20 | thebolt | well, you yanks sit on almost all the helium and set the world-price.. :P |
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| 05:56.49 | lh | thebolt: the things i did not know |
| 05:57.13 | ojwb | can't be easy to sit on that much helium |
| 05:57.16 | thebolt | helium today is at about $.75 / cuft or $0.03 / liter |
| 05:58.32 | thebolt | a fill of the tanks i'll use will take about 60 cuft of helium.. |
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| 06:00.05 | summatusmentis | thebolt: that's $45... |
| 06:00.14 | thebolt | summatusmentis: for one fill.. |
| 06:00.26 | summatusmentis | oh, times multiple fills, got it |
| 06:00.27 | thebolt | weeks worth of diving takes a bit more than one fill ;) |
| 06:00.52 | summatusmentis | granted :) |
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| 06:02.17 | summatusmentis | ugh.. alright, it's too late for me to keep writing. bed |
| 06:02.52 | summatusmentis | 'night all |
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| 07:41.38 | PearlJam | i had a talk with my mentor before submitting the application, so should i mention that anywhere in the application ? |
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| 07:45.54 | ecin | PearlJam: why not ask your mentor? :) |
| 07:46.48 | PearlJam | my mentor says the app is ok, but i was curious whether i should mention in the application who the mentor is / wil be. |
| 07:46.55 | PearlJam | *app/application |
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| 07:48.50 | PearlJam | ecin: what say? |
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| 07:49.26 | ecin | PearlJam: I don't think the organization will mind knowing who's mentoring your proposal should it be accepted. |
| 07:49.31 | ecin | Don't be afraid to get a second opinion, though. |
| 07:50.06 | PearlJam | so on a personal level, what do u recommend? cause this has been bugging me |
| 07:50.47 | ecin | So I'm assuming the org doesn't list the mentor with the project? |
| 07:51.25 | ecin | However, mentioning that you seeked out a mentor and discussed the idea before submission adds some brownie points, don't ya think? |
| 07:52.50 | PearlJam | yes. it does i guess. "So I'm assuming the org doesn't list the mentor with the project?" didn't get youl. |
| 07:55.08 | ecin | Is it a personal idea? |
| 07:55.14 | ecin | Or was it listed on their idea page? |
| 07:55.28 | PearlJam | personal. |
| 07:55.48 | ecin | So that means they didn't list a mentor for your idea. |
| 07:56.00 | ecin | Anyway, personal motivation is a plus. No doubt. |
| 07:56.16 | PearlJam | yes, but i talked to the a developer and he agreed to be my mentor. he helped me a lot! |
| 07:56.30 | PearlJam | so i should go ahead and mention his name? i think that would be ok. |
| 07:56.34 | ecin | Yup. |
| 07:56.40 | PearlJam | oh cool. |
| 07:56.52 | ecin | Go for it! Get fired up! Jump around your room as you type this out! |
| 07:57.08 | z3r0 | lol, i like your enthusiasm ecin |
| 07:57.09 | PearlJam | heh. |
| 07:58.08 | ecin | :) Glad to be of help. |
| 07:58.30 | PearlJam | thank you, actually i was confused. i did not want to look cheesy mentioning the name. |
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| 08:01.35 | glaksmono | hi everyone |
| 08:01.36 | glaksmono | i'm so bored |
| 08:01.42 | glaksmono | is boredome |
| 08:01.45 | glaksmono | downloading movies.. |
| 08:01.54 | glaksmono | any suggestions..? |
| 08:01.57 | glaksmono | lol.. |
| 08:02.00 | ecin | Already handed in your proposal? |
| 08:02.06 | glaksmono | yeah |
| 08:02.15 | ecin | Look for more projects to apply to. |
| 08:02.34 | glaksmono | yeah, that's a good idea.. :) |
| 08:02.37 | glaksmono | thanks a lot ecin |
| 08:02.46 | glaksmono | let's find something that i might be interested |
| 08:02.49 | z3r0 | or |
| 08:02.59 | glaksmono | or? |
| 08:02.59 | z3r0 | start contributing to your favorite one right now |
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| 08:03.18 | glaksmono | yeah, that's even better idea! |
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| 08:06.13 | glaksmono | z3r0: you applied already? |
| 08:06.48 | glaksmono | ecin: you applied? |
| 08:07.50 | ecin | Nope, still working on mine. |
| 08:08.04 | glaksmono | ecin: which one you're applying to? |
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| 08:08.19 | ecin | Rails, Sunlight Labs, and Macports. That's the plan right now. |
| 08:08.33 | glaksmono | kk nice.. |
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| 08:14.01 | z3r0 | No glaksmono |
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| 08:14.33 | z3r0 | have you? which projects? |
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| 08:33.56 | monsieurp | !next |
| 08:33.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 08:40.58 | ojwb | PearlJam: I'd mention it |
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| 08:41.49 | ojwb | can't see it hurting, and it shows other mentors looking at your app that you've discussed the idea and that it's already incorporating some feedback from the org |
| 08:42.19 | ojwb | it's also helpful to know if someone's agreed to mentor |
| 08:42.30 | kblin | whoa |
| 08:42.31 | ojwb | especially in a large org, tracking such things isn't always easy |
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| 08:42.58 | kblin | I knew socghop was a tad slow, but using it over gprs |
| 08:43.01 | ojwb | sorry, me slow |
| 08:43.06 | kblin | that really sucks |
| 08:43.18 | ojwb | it's pretty bad from NZ - seems to do a lot of round trips |
| 08:43.43 | kblin | yeah, same here |
| 08:43.59 | kblin | it was worse until I fired up a dns cache |
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| 08:49.09 | aghisla | morning all |
| 08:51.02 | ecin | Morning. |
| 08:51.21 | z3r0 | morning |
| 08:51.53 | glaksmono | i'm back |
| 08:51.56 | glaksmono | good morning :) |
| 08:52.10 | glaksmono | yeah, i played around with my most interested project, and found something out of it :) |
| 08:52.44 | z3r0 | excellent. anything worth sharing? |
| 08:53.22 | glaksmono | i just found a bug in the Wordpress'Custom Field |
| 08:53.35 | glaksmono | :P that's probably the most worth of sharing |
| 08:53.54 | z3r0 | sweet, a patch gets you extra points! |
| 08:54.18 | devvrat | an edge over others:) |
| 08:55.13 | glaksmono | yay! |
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| 09:05.40 | glaksmono | hi everyone |
| 09:05.57 | glaksmono | test |
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| 09:06.11 | aghisla | glaksmono: test succeeded |
| 09:06.30 | aghisla | plays K3B's trumpet jingle |
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| 09:09.18 | glaksmono | just setup IRC to be nicer |
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| 09:20.29 | ithilgore | Does anyone know when/where will proof of university enrollment will be asked by google? I have registered as student but didn't see anything related to it in the application form |
| 09:20.59 | aghisla | ithilgore: later later, google will ask when needed |
| 09:21.05 | ithilgore | ok |
| 09:21.10 | aghisla | after you will be accepted :) |
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| 09:31.14 | devvrat | !next |
| 09:31.14 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 09:44.39 | z3r0 | night all... |
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| 09:45.51 | ithilgore | question: what kind of information should be written at the 'abstract' portion of the student submission? |
| 09:46.32 | spectie | a summary of your submission |
| 09:46.35 | spectie | an 'abstract' |
| 09:46.46 | aghisla | describe your proposal in general terms |
| 09:46.57 | ithilgore | ok |
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| 09:53.03 | ojwb | but not too general |
| 09:53.25 | ojwb | "This is some work to do with computers" |
| 09:53.28 | aghisla | haha |
| 09:53.31 | jhil | :D |
| 09:53.44 | aghisla | this is some work to do with grey square boxes |
| 09:53.53 | devvrat | :D |
| 09:54.05 | aghisla | to get very angry with |
| 09:54.06 | ojwb | do we really need to know the colour? |
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| 10:54.53 | estan | hello folks. |
| 10:55.06 | estan | i'm currently studying full-time, but it's a mix of pre-university courses at a local school, and i don't think it counts as an "accredited pre-university educational program" as per http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#eligibility |
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| 10:55.19 | estan | i am however applying for a pre-university 1 year prepatory program at the uni before april 20, the program starts this fall and i'm pretty sure it's counted as an accredited pre-university program. |
| 10:55.36 | estan | i will not get my acceptance letter from the uni until sometime during this summer though. |
| 10:55.46 | estan | now; anyone who got the gsoc eligibility rules down who can tell me if i'm eligible for gsoc this summer? ;) |
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| 10:59.13 | ojwb | estan: lh can give you an official answer, but it's 4am in california currently |
| 10:59.42 | ojwb | you're over 18 though? |
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| 11:00.05 | estan | ojwb: yes, i'm 25. |
| 11:00.18 | ojwb | well, that part's ok! |
| 11:00.23 | estan | will idle waiting for lh. |
| 11:00.26 | estan | thanks ojwb. |
| 11:01.40 | danderson | estan: where are you currently? In high school following pre-university courses or something? |
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| 11:02.17 | danderson | If there is an accredited institution that can say you are enrolled, then you're good to go, even if it's not a university |
| 11:02.35 | danderson | oh, your situation looks complicated :) |
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| 11:02.55 | ojwb | danderson: that was my take |
| 11:03.02 | estan | :) |
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| 11:03.54 | danderson | estan: are the courses an official offering of the school? |
| 11:03.59 | danderson | (the ones you're in right now) |
| 11:04.18 | danderson | if so, you should be able to get some kind of proof that you are enrolled and following those courses |
| 11:04.21 | danderson | which should be enough |
| 11:04.58 | estan | no, it's a mix of courses that i've chosen myself, they amount to 125% studing though, so it's full time. but it's not an official program. this schools is specifically for people like me who don't have enough high-school stuff to apply for uni. |
| 11:04.59 | danderson | as ojwb said, lh can give you a more authoritative reply when she gets online, but my understanding is: if you can get some proof from whatever institution you're at right now, that should suffice |
| 11:05.10 | estan | the school don't even have "programs" per se. |
| 11:05.11 | danderson | hmm. |
| 11:05.26 | jhil | estan, are you reading at Komvux? |
| 11:05.33 | estan | jhil: right ;) |
| 11:05.41 | danderson | then it may be a problem, I don't know enough of the details to give a good answer |
| 11:06.01 | estan | yea, if i am eligble, it's definitely a border case ;) |
| 11:06.37 | danderson | my gut feeling is: this is a school that prepares students for university. Therefore, you are enrolled, even if the school is more freeform than others |
| 11:06.57 | jhil | then the courses are an official offering (since they're the regular gymnasium classes) and i'd say komvux is a pre-university educational program (even though it's tailored differently for each individual) |
| 11:07.11 | thebolt | hi all |
| 11:07.11 | estan | yes. that's my feeling too. |
| 11:07.12 | jhil | so yeah, i'd say you're eligble |
| 11:07.14 | danderson | you just need some kind of proof that says "estan is currently following these classes, which qualifies as full time studying" |
| 11:07.25 | estan | i am taking a program, it's just specifically tailored for me. |
| 11:07.35 | danderson | but as ojwb already said, when lh gets online she'll be able to give you an authoritative answer. |
| 11:07.57 | danderson | But in general, the idea usually is "if you can honestly say you're a full time student, then you probably are eligible" |
| 11:08.01 | estan | alright, i can get such a certificate anytime, so i'll wait for lh and explain it. |
| 11:08.06 | ojwb | estan: did you try googling things like: komvux gsoc |
| 11:08.14 | danderson | I'll let lh decide if your detailed case is okay :) |
| 11:08.15 | estan | ojwb: hm. good idea. |
| 11:08.20 | ojwb | see if you can find other people from there who've applied |
| 11:08.27 | ojwb | or failed to be allowed to and blogged |
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| 11:09.14 | estan | no matches ;/ guess i'm a lone-wolf ;) |
| 11:09.32 | estan | but anyway, i feel i should be able to wing this. thanks for the advice. |
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| 11:10.20 | estan | been hacking on KOffice on and off for a while and would really like to apply. |
| 11:10.53 | thebolt | estan: if you think you are okay (which i think you should be), apply.. then solve it if you are selected ;) |
| 11:11.50 | kblin | hey thebolt |
| 11:11.53 | estan | thebolt: ;) i'll start writing my proposal for sure at least. it only occured to me yesterday that i might be eligble since i thought gsoc was for people in uni. |
| 11:12.05 | danderson | estan: be sure to blog about your case so that google indexes it for future students :P |
| 11:12.31 | estan | danderson: absolutely, it'll be on planetkde. |
| 11:12.52 | estan | off to school. bbl. |
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| 11:13.49 | thebolt | hi kblin |
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| 11:15.07 | devvrat | can we have a look at the applications received by some org |
| 11:15.39 | ojwb | devvrat: not unless you're admin or mentor for that org |
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| 11:16.03 | devvrat | may be stats then |
| 11:16.38 | danderson | not now, no. |
| 11:17.07 | ojwb | devvrat: you can of course politely ask the org's admin or mentors |
| 11:17.12 | ojwb | they may decline to comment though |
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| 11:17.43 | devvrat | thanks ojwb , danderson |
| 11:17.52 | ojwb | if you ask all 150 orgs, you'll get a reputation pretty soon so don't try something silly like that |
| 11:18.14 | devvrat | :) |
| 11:19.02 | ojwb | suspects that the majority of applications will be in the last 24 hours anyway |
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| 11:40.19 | AlekSi | !timeline |
| 11:40.20 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:40.26 | AlekSi | socinfo: thanks :) |
| 11:40.26 | socinfo | Error: "thanks" is not a valid command. |
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| 11:40.41 | AlekSi | heh, it should reply "you are welcome" ;) |
| 11:40.44 | jasebo | poor socinfo, easily confused |
| 11:40.50 | jasebo | can't handle compliments :) |
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| 11:55.23 | JeremiasE | hi |
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| 11:56.19 | JeremiasE | I am studying towards the German Diplom degree, which is basicly equivalent to a master (5 years of study) |
| 11:56.32 | JeremiasE | I am in my 4th year |
| 11:57.13 | JeremiasE | Which degree do I select in my registration? |
| 11:58.48 | JeremiasE | master? |
| 11:58.56 | ojwb | sounds like it |
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| 11:59.08 | ojwb | though I don't know the options |
| 11:59.21 | JeremiasE | master, undergraduate, PHD |
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| 12:00.32 | ojwb | do you have an undergraduate degree yet? |
| 12:00.37 | JeremiasE | I guess technicly I am still an undergraduate, since we don't get a Bachelor degree |
| 12:00.37 | ojwb | or just one thing at the end? |
| 12:01.13 | JeremiasE | We only have a Vordiplom after two years of study |
| 12:01.18 | thebolt | JeremiasE: i'd select master.. (i'm doing a swedish "civilingenjör" which translates to bolognia-adopted master.. just one thing at the end) |
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| 12:01.45 | ojwb | it's probably only used for statistical purposes |
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| 12:01.52 | JeremiasE | thanks |
| 12:01.55 | ojwb | is there a tooltip or anything in the docs? |
| 12:02.13 | JeremiasE | no tooltip and docs very vague |
| 12:02.21 | JeremiasE | going to select master |
| 12:02.54 | ojwb | sounds reasonable, but u/g would too |
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| 12:04.55 | AlekSi | is it possible to delete my proposal? |
| 12:05.20 | AlekSi | I accidentally created 2 of them. :) |
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| 12:07.47 | ojwb | if it isn't, you could replace the text with a "sorry, please ignore" message |
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| 12:08.07 | AlekSi | I can't edit it. |
| 12:09.00 | ojwb | hmm |
| 12:09.08 | ojwb | perhaps you need a comment first |
| 12:09.36 | ojwb | i thought that was different in the new system though |
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| 12:46.55 | relix|afk | !next |
| 12:46.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 12:47.44 | relix|afk | Mathiasdm, what are you doing here :p |
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| 12:57.51 | tushar_hailstone | what are the things to be kept in mind before submitting an application? |
| 12:58.25 | danderson | !advice |
| 12:58.25 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 12:59.10 | tushar_hailstone | So what should students with inexperience at such projects keep in mind? |
| 12:59.40 | Landon | know that you'll have to bust some arse learning :) |
| 12:59.59 | tushar_hailstone | I didnt get you Landon |
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| 13:00.40 | Landon | you'll get on the job experience ;) |
| 13:01.53 | cookie | is it ok to not have skills in languages they ask for but no experience in adapting and applying it to the field of the org |
| 13:02.41 | susscorfa | does google code support keeping your repository closed for a while during inital coding ? |
| 13:03.04 | ojwb | so no language skills and no experience? |
| 13:03.08 | ojwb | sounds a winner to me! |
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| 13:03.27 | aghisla | susscorfa: why then? |
| 13:03.33 | ojwb | susscorfa: i doubt it |
| 13:03.34 | Landon | cookie: you want at least basic skills :) |
| 13:03.37 | rszulgo | cookie: so you must count on your enthusiasm :) |
| 13:03.38 | ojwb | that's not very open is it? |
| 13:03.41 | Landon | susscorfa: I didn't touch google repos until the end |
| 13:03.46 | Landon | actually |
| 13:03.47 | Landon | I never touched them |
| 13:03.52 | Landon | I just uploaded a tarball |
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| 13:04.01 | aghisla | neither did I |
| 13:04.16 | susscorfa | it is for an other project but i would like to develop it with some one with public acces |
| 13:04.22 | rszulgo | susscorfa: I think google repos are always open |
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| 13:05.57 | cookie | thanks landon |
| 13:06.59 | cookie | no sorry i just read my question |
| 13:07.04 | cookie | worded it incorrectly |
| 13:07.40 | cookie | like if they ask for php and you know php but don't know in the context of their existing app or in the way the org uses php |
| 13:07.41 | Landon | my answer sucked too |
| 13:07.48 | Landon | yeah |
| 13:07.51 | Landon | apply in that case |
| 13:08.44 | cookie | oh ok lol i'm pretty excited by this whole thing |
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| 13:09.53 | cookie | anyways thanks for ur help |
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| 13:10.49 | relix|afk | cookie is an awesome name tbh |
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| 13:18.51 | Wits | Is there any Chinese? I haven't use IRC, we can talk through QQ or other IM. |
| 13:20.23 | tansell | Wits, most projects will expect you to communicate via IRC, so I would recommend getting use to it |
| 13:21.08 | Wits | thx :) |
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| 13:28.06 | Bloodmaker | exactly how would i go about applying as student under 18? i know i've asked, but is it really just fill out the form? |
| 13:28.21 | Bloodmaker | is there some way i should mention the age thing? |
| 13:28.30 | ojwb | if you're under 18, you can't apply |
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| 13:28.40 | ojwb | on april 20th (IIRC) that is |
| 13:28.44 | Bloodmaker | not directly to google |
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| 13:28.52 | Bloodmaker | but i can participate under 18 |
| 13:28.57 | danderson | no, you cannot participate at all. |
| 13:29.02 | Bloodmaker | the 18 limit is because of the money |
| 13:29.03 | danderson | No summer of code if you're under 18. |
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| 13:29.10 | ojwb | well, anyone any age can work with open source projects |
| 13:29.14 | Bloodmaker | or in uni i suppose? |
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| 13:29.26 | Erant | Bloodmaker: No, it's because of the payment. |
| 13:29.29 | Bloodmaker | some of your counterparts disagree with you by the way |
| 13:29.31 | ojwb | but not within the summer of code |
| 13:29.35 | danderson | any educational institution is fine, but you must be over 18 |
| 13:29.36 | Bloodmaker | @erant, i believe i said that |
| 13:29.42 | danderson | no exceptions, no workarounds |
| 13:29.54 | Erant | You can still contribute, but not in GSoC |
| 13:29.58 | danderson | it has to do with labor laws, it's not something we can work around :( |
| 13:30.03 | Bloodmaker | @danderson, not a workaround, but ther are allowed to assign me a mentor outside of the GSOC |
| 13:30.11 | Erant | ofc. |
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| 13:30.18 | danderson | yes, but then you're not actually applying to SoC |
| 13:30.28 | danderson | just go talk to the org, explain, and get a mentor :) |
| 13:30.30 | ojwb | Bloodmaker: for that, talk to a project that interests you |
| 13:30.30 | Bloodmaker | but it should coincide |
| 13:30.37 | ojwb | no reason to |
| 13:30.50 | Bloodmaker | @danderson, no dip |
| 13:30.54 | ojwb | except that you may well be not doing courses then |
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| 13:31.20 | Bloodmaker | i don't plan to get paid or go through google to do it, but i'd still like to participate in the group with a mentor |
| 13:31.21 | danderson | look, it's simple. If you're under 18, you should not apply at socghop.appspot.com |
| 13:31.28 | danderson | you will just be immediately marked as ineligible |
| 13:31.32 | Bloodmaker | @danderson, please, shutup |
| 13:31.43 | Bloodmaker | you spouted the same thing 5 times |
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| 13:31.51 | danderson | idiot. |
| 13:32.02 | Erant | ;) |
| 13:32.13 | vinc456 | he's been at it for days |
| 13:32.15 | lut4rp | i love the macirssi gunshot :) |
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| 13:32.20 | lut4rp | on kicks :) |
| 13:32.34 | devvrat | chill everyone |
| 13:32.49 | dhoclone_plan9 | Yes, please. It's a bit early for me to grab beer and chips. |
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| 13:33.03 | Bloodmaker | /ignore danderson!*@* chan |
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| 13:33.06 | Bloodmaker | gah |
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| 13:33.15 | danderson | again. |
| 13:33.17 | danderson | idiot. |
| 13:33.29 | lut4rp | lol |
| 13:33.33 | danderson | stupidity tolerance is too low today, he picked the wrong time to bring out the attitude. |
| 13:33.38 | Teo` | In the "IRC meeting to resolve any outstanding duplicate accepted students (timing TBD)" who chooses which project gets the student, and what happens with the slot left vacant? |
| 13:33.43 | lut4rp | that was plain idiotic. |
| 13:33.45 | dhoclone_plan9 | danderson: That's higher than my tolerance, any day. |
| 13:33.50 | dhoclone_plan9 | Don't feel bad :) |
| 13:33.57 | danderson | Teo`: it's a little complex and fuzzy, depending on the situation |
| 13:34.06 | ojwb | Teo`: the orgs decide, hopefully having asked the student. if they can't agree, google decide |
| 13:34.24 | danderson | ojwb summarized the general way it works |
| 13:34.24 | Teo` | can't the student choose? |
| 13:34.26 | ojwb | and the slot is allocated to the next student in the ranking at the org which doesn't get them |
| 13:34.34 | ojwb | not directly |
| 13:34.37 | danderson | things may also change if an org would lose its only acceptable student to a transfer |
| 13:34.43 | dhoclone_plan9 | Teo`: That's the idea of the ``hopefully ahving asked the student'' |
| 13:34.53 | danderson | eg. student accepted at 2 orgs. One has 30 acceptable candidates, other has only the 1 |
| 13:34.55 | ojwb | but I'd advise anyone in that situation to make their preference clear |
| 13:35.01 | danderson | the smaller org is pretty much going to get him :) |
| 13:35.15 | danderson | that is one example where the student may not be consulted |
| 13:35.19 | Teo` | ouch |
| 13:35.29 | danderson | because the alternative is to kick out an org that could have participated |
| 13:35.34 | ojwb | if you don't want to do a project, don't apply for it... |
| 13:35.41 | danderson | so, the moral of that story is: only apply for projects you actually want to do |
| 13:35.53 | Teo` | I do want to do both, but I certainly have a preference |
| 13:36.05 | bitner | danderson: +1 |
| 13:36.16 | danderson | let me put it this way: if there is no obvious solution to the conflict, then the student will be asked for preference. |
| 13:36.20 | relix | Teo`: I'm kind of in the same situation and was also hoping that the student gets asked for his preference |
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| 13:36.34 | thebolt | well, why not let the orgs know in advance? |
| 13:36.34 | relix | danderson that makes sense of course |
| 13:36.35 | ojwb | if you're worried about bad luck meaning you don't get the one you really want, you can ask the org how popular it is, etc |
| 13:36.36 | danderson | Sometimes one org says "Well, you can have him", and that resolves the conflict |
| 13:36.50 | danderson | sometimes one org says "This is the only student we have, no other options", and that resolves the conflict |
| 13:37.02 | danderson | sometimes both want the student, or neither has a strong opinion |
| 13:37.09 | danderson | in which case the student's opinion becomes relevant |
| 13:37.11 | danderson | does that make sense? |
| 13:37.16 | relix | yes |
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| 13:37.34 | relix | basically the goal is to make sure every org is treated fair |
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| 13:38.27 | dhoclone_plan9 | Well, and the student too. But you can't please all the people all the time. :) |
| 13:38.37 | danderson | right |
| 13:38.56 | danderson | and if the choice is between keeping an org or kicking it out of the program, given that the student will be selected no matter what |
| 13:38.59 | ojwb | wonders what happens if neither org wants the student! |
| 13:39.00 | danderson | it's a fairly easy call |
| 13:39.14 | danderson | ojwb: that's the non-conflict "you didn't get selected" case :P |
| 13:39.17 | SRabbelier | ojwb: lol, in that case there wouldn't be a conflict? :P |
| 13:39.23 | Teo` | so if both organizations have several slots I would probably be able to decide? |
| 13:39.39 | aghisla | ojwb: haha :P |
| 13:39.41 | thebolt | Teo`: if they can reach you and a hundred other factors.. don't count on it |
| 13:39.48 | ojwb | if I'd asked "have you applied for any other projects?" and they said "no", I might not want them when a conflict crops up |
| 13:39.54 | ojwb | and if the other org feel the same... |
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| 13:40.09 | thebolt | having participated in said conflict resolutions last years.. lets say its a bit hectic :P |
| 13:40.24 | relix | ojwb: you mean when they lied about it? |
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| 13:40.38 | ojwb | yeah |
| 13:40.40 | SRabbelier | thebolt: we have a little more tiem for it this year |
| 13:40.51 | ojwb | if I find lies in an application, that rather puts me off |
| 13:40.59 | Teo` | you mean students lied about not having applied elsewhere? |
| 13:41.06 | SRabbelier | ojwb: in that case it's rather obvious, right? the student is not accepted |
| 13:41.08 | ojwb | well, if someone had |
| 13:41.21 | relix | ojwb, are you perchance a mentor for OSM? |
| 13:41.30 | thebolt | SRabbelier: okay, but still :) |
| 13:41.36 | aghisla | how can a student lie about its multiple submissions? |
| 13:41.38 | ojwb | relix: why? want to confess? |
| 13:41.55 | ojwb | aghisla: each org can't see the other applications |
| 13:42.02 | relix | ojwb no, it's just I applied for an idea but would like to discuss it with someone |
| 13:42.04 | ojwb | at least not right now - we find out if there's a conflict |
| 13:42.11 | ojwb | isn't |
| 13:42.21 | ojwb | though has mapped quite a bit |
| 13:42.27 | ojwb | just a user really |
| 13:42.27 | relix | but, yes, I lied, I'm not really female |
| 13:42.41 | relix | I thought they'd notice, with my first name being David |
| 13:43.18 | SRabbelier | lol @ relix |
| 13:43.30 | relix | ojwb: ah ok, because I noticed you wrote something in the ideas-wik |
| 13:43.33 | relix | wiki* |
| 13:43.42 | ojwb | did I? |
| 13:43.44 | relix | well, you, or someone with the name "ojw", which is not exactly "ojwb", but might be |
| 13:43.52 | ojwb | ah yes, that's someone else |
| 13:43.52 | relix | so it wasn't you |
| 13:43.58 | ojwb | noticed him before |
| 13:44.00 | relix | oh, sorry! |
| 13:44.00 | ojwb | no |
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| 13:50.55 | ingo86 | hello all |
| 13:51.12 | ingo86 | i have a question, i'm filling in the student module on melange |
| 13:51.28 | ingo86 | could someone give me an example of "Major subject:" |
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| 13:51.41 | ingo86 | ? |
| 13:51.45 | SRabbelier | ingo86: Computer Science |
| 13:51.54 | SRabbelier | ingo86: or Literature, stuff like that |
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| 13:52.55 | ingo86 | SRabbelier: thank you |
| 13:53.23 | ingo86 | SRabbelier: and the Degree is what i have already or what i'm studying to have? |
| 13:53.33 | ingo86 | i'm already undergraduated |
| 13:53.42 | ojwb | studying for |
| 13:53.43 | durin42 | ingo86: I believe that's the one you're studying for |
| 13:53.47 | SRabbelier | ingo86: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=academic+major&l=1 |
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| 13:57.07 | glaslos | durin42: you can study to become undergraduated? i think, thats the actual grade. |
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| 13:58.09 | durin42 | glaslos: ha, undergraduate degree comes before a masters or PhD in the US |
| 13:58.20 | ojwb | you're doing an "undergraduate degree" |
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| 13:59.04 | glaslos | ah, okay. its a little bit diffrent in germany |
| 13:59.27 | durin42 | Yes, it is. IIRC your first college degree more closely equates to a masters, but I could be making that up. |
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| 14:00.41 | ingo86 | well, The ordinary laurea was split into undergraduate (equivalent to a bachelor's degree) and postgraduate studies (equivalent to a master's degree). |
| 14:00.45 | SRabbelier | durin42: I don't think so |
| 14:00.54 | SRabbelier | durin42: You get your Bachelor degree first, (after three years usually) |
| 14:01.00 | SRabbelier | durin42: then you do your Masters (usually 2 years) |
| 14:01.01 | ingo86 | so undergraduate here comes befor postgraduate |
| 14:01.10 | Erant | SRabbelier: Or 6 years in my case, no? ;P |
| 14:01.12 | durin42 | SRabbelier: that sounds right |
| 14:01.13 | SRabbelier | durin42: also, the first year of the Bachelor degree is usually called "Propedeuse" |
| 14:01.19 | SRabbelier | Erant: 6-12 in your case, yes |
| 14:01.24 | durin42 | German class was years ago. |
| 14:01.31 | ingo86 | bachelor and undergraduate are the same+ |
| 14:01.33 | SRabbelier | durin42: hehe :P |
| 14:01.34 | ingo86 | right? |
| 14:01.38 | SRabbelier | ingo86: yes |
| 14:01.45 | durin42 | Minutae about the academic system was GCed first ;) |
| 14:01.59 | SRabbelier | durin42: good thing we have Wikipedia, no? |
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| 14:03.30 | durin42 | SRabbelier: something like that. I prefer remembering info, but eh. |
| 14:04.06 | SRabbelier | durin42: That's why you wikipedia the stuff that got gc-ed ;) |
| 14:04.26 | durin42 | Ah, but wikipedia is an unreliable medium. |
| 14:04.34 | durin42 | Just last month it managed to invent truth. |
| 14:04.35 | ojwb | much like my memory then |
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| 14:04.50 | thebolt | SRabbelier: it does not help that europe us changing its education system to be more alike.. |
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| 14:04.54 | ojwb | though people don't keep vandalising that |
| 14:04.54 | caden|pycon | gc'd? |
| 14:05.01 | thebolt | makes some of us change program in themiddle ;) |
| 14:05.38 | SRabbelier | caden|pycon: garbage collected |
| 14:05.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: I think it is a good thing |
| 14:05.45 | thebolt | i was doing a swedish 4½ year "civilingenjör" (engineering master) degree.. now i am doing the new 3+2 master without having (or being able to get) a bachelor |
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| 14:05.54 | SRabbelier | thebolt: I think it does, actually. It'll be easier if we all use the Bachelor/Master system |
| 14:06.06 | Wolf_OSGeo | I might apply to KTH next year to finish my studies |
| 14:06.09 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: i do too.. just that i am in the middle of it and it ment (and still means) some uncertainity |
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| 14:06.23 | SRabbelier | thebolt: ok, that does suck, but that's mostly your uni's fault for not providing a proper conversion scheme ;) |
| 14:06.24 | thebolt | esp as i now am outside europe doing one year that is supposed to be includable etc ;) |
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| 14:06.45 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: that is true, but I'm using the system to my advantage at the moment. Let's me get into the school I want |
| 14:06.58 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: oh? |
| 14:07.06 | thebolt | SRabbelier: its along the lines of them not knowing either.. its just our year and one more year that get the option of choosing if we should get the original degree or the new one |
| 14:07.32 | SRabbelier | thebolt: heh, that's kind of sad |
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| 14:08.16 | Wolf_OSGeo | SRabbelier: in the old system It would have been pain to switch half-way. Youd have to get all kinds of courses accepted, but now once you have your bachelor you can go study for a masters by applying, and start with a clean slate |
| 14:08.26 | haoyu | Is there any relationship between IBM Open Source Center and GSoC? |
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| 14:09.16 | SRabbelier | Wolf_OSGeo: ah, yup, very true :) |
| 14:09.23 | SRabbelier | haoyu: nafaik |
| 14:09.25 | thebolt | Wolf_OSGeo: agree.. |
| 14:09.38 | haoyu | I see a post in our university's bbs saying IBM OSC is a GSoC *organizer* |
| 14:09.49 | Wolf_OSGeo | thebolt: I was luch in that I switchen in 2005, had to go through an entry exam, but that put me in the new system |
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| 14:10.18 | Wolf_OSGeo | haoyu: organizer or organization? |
| 14:10.30 | SRabbelier | haoyu: maybe they're an organization for this year? |
| 14:10.40 | ojwb | didn't notice them if they are |
| 14:10.58 | haoyu | it is in chinese and the term translated in english woudl be "organizer" |
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| 14:11.31 | ojwb | perhaps someone mistranslated organization from english to get that? |
| 14:11.35 | haoyu | woule be they misunderstood the situation.. |
| 14:11.38 | haoyu | maybe :) |
| 14:11.46 | ojwb | chinese whispers! |
| 14:11.55 | haoyu | let me correct them.. |
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| 14:16.13 | SRabbelier | haoyu: I don't see anything IBM Open Source related in the org list |
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| 14:17.31 | haoyu | SRabbelier, their mean must be some people in IBM OSC participanted as mentor in Apache |
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| 14:18.00 | SRabbelier | haoyu: that's possible |
| 14:18.16 | JackSparrow | 444 ppl |
| 14:18.22 | JackSparrow | nice number |
| 14:18.33 | Lezard | lucky 7 its better xD |
| 14:18.42 | JackSparrow | hehe |
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| 14:18.50 | ojwb | not all people |
| 14:18.51 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: OpenAFS used to be an IBM project, a large portion of the code base is licensed under IPL |
| 14:19.04 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: ah, that could be it :) |
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| 14:20.07 | summatusmentis | but I'm not really sure what you're talking about |
| 14:20.28 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: I have no clue to be honest :P |
| 14:21.40 | JackSparrow | why on the planed do you have exams?? i have one tomorrow!!! |
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| 14:22.35 | JackSparrow | so i'll leave, bbye ppl |
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| 14:26.51 | calebr | !orgbylang |
| 14:26.52 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 14:59.25 | BarryCarlyon | appears and dances, then puts the kettle on for some tea. |
| 14:59.53 | lh | !advice |
| 14:59.53 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 15:01.37 | summatusmentis | BarryCarlyon: just stop the dancing before you take the kettle off |
| 15:02.03 | aghisla | haha |
| 15:02.22 | summatusmentis | otherwise there'll be boiling water all over the place |
| 15:02.44 | BarryCarlyon | :-P |
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| 15:02.58 | Landon | BarryCarlyon: what orgs are you looking at this year? same one? |
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| 15:04.19 | BarryCarlyon | Not sure yet Landon. |
| 15:04.36 | Landon | who were you with last year? |
| 15:04.39 | BarryCarlyon | Finding orgs is always interesting as Im a Website Coder not a coder coder. |
| 15:04.39 | BarryCarlyon | PHP |
| 15:04.51 | haoyu | vanRossum, wow, are you Guido? :) |
| 15:05.07 | vanRossum | haoyu: no ofcourse =) |
| 15:05.18 | haoyu | vanRossum, :D |
| 15:05.24 | BarryCarlyon | Im looking a joomla or geeklog at the moment, perhaps wordpress, only just started looking at possible project ideas. |
| 15:05.30 | BarryCarlyon | You Landon? |
| 15:05.37 | Landon | looking at thousand parsec mostly |
| 15:06.09 | summatusmentis | Landon: thousand parsec doesn't have any "oh look at me, I'm not doing anything" type projects >_> |
| 15:06.25 | summatusmentis | hides |
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| 15:07.11 | vanRossum | in our proposal do we write the organizations ideas as the proposal if we want one of them? |
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| 15:07.21 | summatusmentis | yes |
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| 15:07.37 | danderson | it's better to not just copy/paste |
| 15:07.50 | danderson | try to add thoughts/design/etc. to the basic idea |
| 15:07.57 | danderson | ideally after discussing it with the org |
| 15:07.59 | summatusmentis | well, clearly |
| 15:08.02 | Landon | summatusmentis: yowch :P |
| 15:08.12 | summatusmentis | Landon: I kid, I kid. :-P |
| 15:08.47 | vanRossum | danderson: ok, so whats the priority? i mean does my idea has the same importance as the org's? or do they want their to be done first? |
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| 15:09.32 | danderson | vanRossum: depends on the org. Discuss it with them before submitting your application. |
| 15:09.33 | summatusmentis | vanRossum: that's up to the org, but I've heard a lot of orgs say that they like hearing new ideas |
| 15:10.03 | vanRossum | great |
| 15:10.17 | BarryCarlyon | looks at thousand parsec |
| 15:10.24 | BarryCarlyon | The web client looks interesting. |
| 15:10.34 | BarryCarlyon | Which part of thousan parsec you looking at Landon? |
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| 15:11.56 | Landon | BarryCarlyon: was looking at the wxwidgets client improvements, but now sorta the 3d client |
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| 15:14.39 | PearlJam | !orgbylang |
| 15:14.39 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 15:15.02 | aghisla | it's a long time that nobody asked for faqs |
| 15:15.09 | aghisla | !faq |
| 15:15.10 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:15.22 | BarryCarlyon | Rofl. |
| 15:15.43 | aghisla | BarryCarlyon: is tea ready? |
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| 15:17.01 | BarryCarlyon | No its brewing now. |
| 15:17.05 | BarryCarlyon | stops dancing |
| 15:17.13 | summatusmentis | what did you make? |
| 15:17.36 | BarryCarlyon | Green Tea, and normal tea, and herbal tea and mint tea. |
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| 15:18.40 | BarryCarlyon | Right tea is ready! |
| 15:18.44 | BarryCarlyon | Who wants tea? |
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| 15:18.51 | BarryCarlyon | I have cookies oreos and biscuits too! |
| 15:18.53 | aghisla | may I have a cup of herbal tea? |
| 15:18.58 | aghisla | and a cookie? |
| 15:19.03 | caden|pycon | man, i wish you were here, i want tea |
| 15:19.06 | caden|pycon | very very much |
| 15:19.18 | BarryCarlyon | Indeed! |
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| 15:19.30 | BarryCarlyon | hands aghisla a herbal tea and a cookie |
| 15:19.36 | BarryCarlyon | hands lh a green tea |
| 15:19.37 | aghisla | many thanks Barry |
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| 15:19.44 | lh | BarryCarlyon: thank you! |
| 15:19.47 | BarryCarlyon | Here to serve tea! |
| 15:20.03 | thebolt | no tea.. it's diuretic |
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| 15:20.18 | caden|pycon | you have something against diuretics? |
| 15:20.25 | caden|pycon | some of my best friends are diuretics |
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| 15:20.34 | caden|pycon | :) |
| 15:20.38 | aghisla | :D |
| 15:20.46 | thebolt | well, trying right now to get properly soaked for the diving week ;) |
| 15:21.09 | thebolt | no alcohol,no coffee, no tea |
| 15:21.16 | caden|pycon | am i interpreting you correctly? you are trying to retain water because you will be diving? |
| 15:21.20 | caden|pycon | deep sea diving? |
| 15:21.27 | thebolt | yes, yes, yes |
| 15:21.31 | aghisla | for a week? |
| 15:21.34 | BarryCarlyon | o.0 |
| 15:21.43 | thebolt | aghisla: a bit over.. or well, will have a day or two off in the middle |
| 15:21.45 | BarryCarlyon | I made coffee too and home made lemonade |
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| 15:21.57 | caden|pycon | Barry I am coming over |
| 15:22.03 | aghisla | offers thebolt very dry biscuits |
| 15:22.05 | caden|pycon | and having your beverages |
| 15:22.09 | BarryCarlyon | rofl |
| 15:22.12 | thebolt | aghisla: haha.. thanks :P |
| 15:22.16 | BarryCarlyon | Its on on the #gsoc table over there |
| 15:22.19 | BarryCarlyon | points |
| 15:22.32 | aghisla | sarches for a spoon |
| 15:22.39 | aghisla | *searches |
| 15:22.45 | BarryCarlyon | hands one to aghisla |
| 15:22.51 | aghisla | thank you! |
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| 15:24.08 | aghisla | sips her tea |
| 15:24.15 | BarryCarlyon | http://twitter.com/barrycarlyon/ :-P |
| 15:24.35 | Ori_B | lh: ping |
| 15:24.49 | lh | Ori_B: pong |
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| 15:25.24 | Ori_B | lh: I've got a request for a background check, and they want proof that I did SoC |
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| 15:26.02 | Ori_B | either someone to contact, or some sort of pay stub or something |
| 15:26.23 | Ori_B | any idea what I should be sending in? I don't think I have anything on paper... |
| 15:26.24 | lh | tell them to email me |
| 15:26.40 | Ori_B | ok, great. thanks :) |
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| 15:27.47 | Ori_B | .... *scratches head* |
| 15:27.51 | rkatiyar | !next |
| 15:27.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 15:27.55 | Ori_B | "Please fax to... do not respond to the email" |
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| 15:28.48 | Ori_B | will call them somewhat later and prod them. |
| 15:29.34 | lh | Ori_B: sounds good, will take care of it when i hear from them |
| 15:29.38 | lh | goes to get breakfast |
| 15:29.53 | BarryCarlyon | o.0 |
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| 15:40.48 | tntcoda | lh: you about? I just accidently submitted my very incomplete application, can it be deleted? |
| 15:41.14 | BarryCarlyon | uber fail |
| 15:41.27 | Abadaar_ | tntcoda, if you select to edit it, I think you are able to withdraw it |
| 15:42.34 | tntcoda | Abadaar_: thanks, How do i edit it? if i select it i just get an option to comment on it |
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| 15:42.58 | tntcoda | ah never mind, sorry found it. thanks, epic fail |
| 15:43.03 | Abadaar_ | :) |
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| 15:49.04 | BarryCarlyon | Have a cookie to make you feel better |
| 15:49.05 | etele | Hi |
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| 15:50.04 | etele | !timeline |
| 15:50.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:50.07 | tntcoda | has a cookie |
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| 15:51.02 | haoyu | lh, I just found a translation of your blog post on Google China Blog that *totally misunderstood* what gsoc is! |
| 15:51.20 | haoyu | lh, they said GSoC is a programming contest! |
| 15:51.28 | hypa7ia | oops |
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| 15:51.58 | BarryCarlyon | Fail |
| 15:51.59 | BarryCarlyon | lol |
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| 15:54.28 | aghisla | bye folks - going back home |
| 15:54.35 | aghisla | thanks for the tea BarryCarlyon |
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| 15:58.28 | araujo | morning |
| 15:58.37 | omniter | morning |
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| 16:03.51 | lh | haoyu: link please? is it just that the concept of gsoc does not translate well literally? |
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| 16:05.15 | pedronveloso | hi! how do I create a "Site Wide User Profile". I've already read the Guide for Students, but I don't know this step :\ |
| 16:05.30 | pedronveloso | ? |
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| 16:07.03 | saiyr | click sign in |
| 16:07.40 | pedronveloso | I'm signed in |
| 16:07.51 | ashishpaliwal | first log in using google id and then create user profile |
| 16:08.11 | ashishpaliwal | link id is same as username that u give for creating mail account |
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| 16:08.35 | haoyu | lh, link here: http://googlechinablog.com/2009/03/blog-post_25.html |
| 16:08.49 | haoyu | lh, there are many translation errors |
| 16:08.54 | pedronveloso | but this "link id" I just made up, or someone has to give me one? |
| 16:09.09 | ashishpaliwal | no no its not like that |
| 16:09.18 | ashishpaliwal | its just a unique id that u choose |
| 16:09.30 | ashishpaliwal | just like u choose username while creating email account |
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| 16:09.37 | haoyu | lh, I have submitted some of the errors from a feedback link |
| 16:09.41 | ashishpaliwal | this will be used to refer o |
| 16:09.52 | haoyu | not sure when they can respond to it.. |
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| 16:10.22 | pedronveloso | oh, ok, I get it now. Thank you :) |
| 16:10.26 | haoyu | lh, if you know who is in charege of this blog, I can write to them directly |
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| 16:10.53 | ashishpaliwal | welcome...BTW...which projects you are applying to ?? |
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| 16:11.22 | haoyu | lh, from example, they misunderstand "application proposal" as "software application program" |
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| 16:12.10 | lh | haoyu: hrm. can you send me an email with this information and i can forward it to someone to get the right person to fix this? |
| 16:12.11 | lh | thank you |
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| 16:12.53 | haoyu | lh, okey. could I refer to the chinese texts in the email? |
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| 16:13.47 | lh | haoyu: yes please. :) |
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| 16:19.05 | alexua | lh: ping |
| 16:19.25 | lh | alexua: writing atm, what's up? |
| 16:20.07 | alexua | lh: do you know if the SoC logins can be used as OpenIDs? |
| 16:20.19 | alexua | I know some places on appspot give you that |
| 16:20.23 | lh | alexua: uknown. i would ask in #melange |
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| 16:21.03 | alexua | lh: done! |
| 16:21.18 | alexua | lh: that would solve a bit of the problem of having Planet SoC on another site |
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| 16:34.54 | marioant | .me waves at benc_ |
| 16:34.57 | marioant | fft |
| 16:34.59 | haoyu | lh, mail sent :) |
| 16:35.03 | marioant | waves at benc_ |
| 16:35.09 | lh | haoyu: thanks will look at it as soon as i can |
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| 16:36.24 | z4chh | when you submit an application, do you get to see what it will look like to the orgs? |
| 16:36.36 | z4chh | there is no preview button :( |
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| 16:36.50 | nsm | there is, called public view |
| 16:37.00 | nsm | when you save, click on view, and then public view |
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| 16:39.09 | sandrejev | hi everybody |
| 16:39.38 | sandrejev | According to timeline application period is now open |
| 16:39.49 | sandrejev | how can I actually submit an aplcation |
| 16:39.50 | sandrejev | ? |
| 16:40.16 | nsm | please read the FAQ and User's guide |
| 16:40.16 | nsm | you have to register as a student |
| 16:40.20 | nsm | after creating an account profile |
| 16:40.21 | spectie | !next |
| 16:40.21 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:40.35 | sandrejev | I think I'm registered |
| 16:40.44 | sandrejev | but I have no roles |
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| 16:41.41 | nsm | in the left sidebar there should be something along the lines of register as a student |
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| 16:43.26 | kblin | !userguide |
| 16:43.26 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 16:44.21 | kblin | sandre °°° |
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| 16:45.33 | kblin | eh, damn |
| 16:46.46 | kblin | /quit |
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| 16:48.41 | kblin | yay |
| 16:48.45 | spectie | uh oh |
| 16:48.47 | kblin | I hate gprs links |
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| 16:53.55 | thomastc | it is not possible to save a proposal draft without making it public? |
| 16:55.47 | haoyu | thomastc, I suggest you write your proposal by Google Docs |
| 16:55.48 | haoyu | thomastc, then you can paste it to the text box when you want to submit application |
| 16:56.05 | haoyu | thomastc, with almost no format change |
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| 16:57.24 | sandrejev | kblin thanks |
| 16:57.39 | antarus | holy crap I'm suddenly on a high traffic mentors list ;) |
| 16:58.42 | lh | !advice |
| 16:58.42 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 17:08.54 | Zamy | hi all :) |
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| 17:09.16 | devvrat | hi Zamy |
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| 17:09.55 | Zamy | i'm looking at the project page ;) |
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| 17:10.27 | Zamy | what i need to know? |
| 17:10.43 | Zamy | c++ i imagine |
| 17:11.04 | Erant | Depends on the project. |
| 17:11.15 | Erant | I don't know C++, yet I can do the majority of projects just fine. |
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| 17:11.35 | Zamy | ok :) |
| 17:11.52 | mib_ac46i9 | hi |
| 17:12.11 | Erant | Some projects don't even really require that much coding. Others have languages ranging from C to Python to Java. |
| 17:12.16 | mib_ac46i9 | wat if i have not discussed any ideas with mentoring org. |
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| 17:12.46 | Erant | mib_ac46i9: No biggie. You can still do that ofc. |
| 17:12.56 | Zamy | hi mib_ac46i9 :) |
| 17:13.07 | Erant | 's not like you magically can't talk to people anymore. |
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| 17:14.01 | mib_ac46i9 | k:) |
| 17:14.53 | mib_ac46i9 | but do org. prefer students who have discussed idead with them b'fore |
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| 17:15.14 | the9a3eedi | GAH. maybe I should install gentoo. I'm getting sick of trying to compile the latest bleeding edge packages on ubuntu / |
| 17:15.54 | Zamy | :D |
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| 17:16.22 | Chainsaw | the9a3eedi: Gentoo is more suited towards compiling software, yes. |
| 17:16.45 | toni_marie | mib_ac46i9 I would say it depends on the org |
| 17:16.55 | PearlJam | is there any visible speed difference between applications compiled to a specific architecture (such as gentoo allows?) |
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| 17:17.30 | hypa7ia | i'm sure there's a difference, but it's trivial compared to the pain of compiling all your crap from source |
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| 17:17.38 | hypa7ia | computers are cheap, my time is expensive |
| 17:17.44 | toni_marie | for Joomla (my org), if the proposal is good it just doesn't matter if you discussed it with us, but we're all for helping you get things in order so your proposal has the best chance |
| 17:17.46 | the9a3eedi | Chainsaw: yeah, but I wonder if I could configure it in time for GSoC :P |
| 17:17.48 | hypa7ia | i'd rather just buy more ram / faster processor |
| 17:18.03 | skiquel | lh: howdy |
| 17:18.04 | Chainsaw | the9a3eedi: I don't see why not, unless it is a VIA C3 500MHz? |
| 17:18.15 | the9a3eedi | well.. |
| 17:18.25 | Chainsaw | the9a3eedi: (And I've run Gentoo on that, mind you) |
| 17:18.26 | the9a3eedi | guess I should take a day to get it fully working |
| 17:18.37 | Chainsaw | the9a3eedi: That's a realistic goal, yes. |
| 17:18.39 | the9a3eedi | even with a VIA 500MHz one can use distcc :P |
| 17:18.54 | Chainsaw | I've found that distcc doesn't help as much as people think. |
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| 17:19.11 | the9a3eedi | Chainsaw: really? hmm.. a friend was using it for his weak server |
| 17:19.22 | Chainsaw | When I clustered together about 16 of our machines using distcc they took about a minute *longer* to compile software. |
| 17:19.58 | Chainsaw | Network latency is an issue. Icecream might do better as it pushes out more of the preprocessing stages towards the remote host. |
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| 17:20.46 | Chainsaw | (The machines in question were dual Opteron 2218 hosts with 2GB RAM, they were interconnected with 100mbit ethernet) |
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| 17:21.06 | Zamy | mmm i'm having troubles connecting on wiki.debian... the server is offline? |
| 17:21.55 | devilsadvocate | !timeline |
| 17:21.56 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:22.09 | the9a3eedi | Chainsaw: I think at some point theres no point with distcc, where the cpu/ram is good enough and the bottleneck becomes the network.. It's more meant for slow pcs |
| 17:22.19 | the9a3eedi | I think compilation isn't a parallel process, right? |
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| 17:22.35 | the9a3eedi | so its hard to parallelize, which means its hard to take advantage of in a grid |
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| 17:23.06 | estan | lh: ping. |
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| 17:24.35 | lh | estan: pong |
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| 17:25.02 | estan | lh: hi, i'm currently studying full time at a local school taking a mix of pre-university courses, i'm a bit unsure if i'm eligble and what constitutes a "accredited pre-university educational program" mentioned in the FAQ. |
| 17:25.27 | lh | estan: has your local government given the school permission to teach courses? |
| 17:25.33 | estan | lh: of course ;) |
| 17:25.35 | lh | if so, that's an accredited institution |
| 17:26.04 | estan | (it's in sweden). |
| 17:26.04 | Raim | the9a3eedi: compilation units are usually single threaded. but systems like make can run multiple compiler instances in parallel, see make -j |
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| 17:26.04 | lh | you should be fine if you meet all the other eligibility requirements |
| 17:26.48 | estan | lh: that's great. thanks! |
| 17:27.13 | lh | estan: np |
| 17:27.19 | estan | lh: what are the "other" requirements btw, exept for being > 18 yrs of age? |
| 17:27.31 | estan | and not being in iran ;) |
| 17:27.34 | lh | estan: work authorization, etc. it's all in the FAQ |
| 17:27.41 | estan | lh: right. okay. |
| 17:27.51 | estan | is good to go then. |
| 17:27.54 | estan | thanks again. |
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| 17:28.27 | Wolf_OSGeo | is there a way to send messages with melange? |
| 17:28.58 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: you can use the comments system |
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| 17:29.58 | Wolf_OSGeo | my problem is that some mentor has signed up using very cryptic names, and I don't see an email to contact them to ask 'who are you?' |
| 17:30.32 | lut4rp | anyone know if review-board have an irc channel? |
| 17:30.36 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: can you leave comments to random people? isn't that only to student proposals? |
| 17:30.36 | lut4rp | can't see any |
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| 17:31.46 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: no you cannot leave comments to random people. what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 17:32.00 | Wolf_OSGeo | lh: my problem is that some mentor has signed up using very cryptic names, and I don't see an email to contact them to ask 'who are you?' |
| 17:32.13 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: link id? |
| 17:32.25 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: pm it to me please |
| 17:32.32 | Wolf_OSGeo | it is even more cryptic, looks like random letters... |
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| 17:32.48 | lh | Wolf_OSGeo: i need that data to look the person up :) |
| 17:32.50 | chx | !timeline |
| 17:32.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 17:33.22 | mib_brp4pm | what is the purpose of creating documents? other than the FAQ mentioning how to, i could not find the reason why? |
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| 17:34.57 | irahul | !orgbylang |
| 17:34.58 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 17:36.04 | Guest61044 | hi have a small doubt, when i try to create a link id i get an error saying This link ID is in wrong format. is it a url |
| 17:36.25 | lh | Guest61044: yes, the link id should not be a url |
| 17:36.25 | lut4rp | WTF. NOW it works. Now. |
| 17:36.27 | lut4rp | :( |
| 17:36.28 | lh | !userguide |
| 17:36.28 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
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| 17:36.40 | lh | Guest61044: try looking at the first section of the user guide |
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| 17:37.44 | mib_brp4pm | can anyone explain the purpose of creating documents? |
| 17:37.46 | kblin | and auto-identify, even though I had to tweak the script |
| 17:38.54 | anikethan | !FAQ |
| 17:38.55 | socinfo | "FAQ" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 17:55.07 | Borbus | What happens if I get accepted in to a project but I end up not being able to complete the task? Since I've never worked on a large project it's hard to tell if I am up to the task |
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| 17:58.36 | ArthurLiu | Borbus, your organization will probably try to rework your project to scale it down. If you still can't do it, then you'll be failed |
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| 18:00.40 | kblin | Borbus: in my experience if you work hard and your mentor knows that, it's usually sufficient |
| 18:01.45 | kblin | it's kind of a hard decision, but I usually try to fail the lazy people and keep the hard-working people, even though they're a bit behind schedule |
| 18:02.23 | dho_plan9 | Keeping good communication is key. |
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| 18:02.28 | Borbus | Do mentors expect people to be very familiar with the project from the start and begin implementing non-tricial things immediately? |
| 18:02.32 | dho_plan9 | I've said that a million times in here already, and I'll say it again. |
| 18:02.32 | dho_plan9 | No |
| 18:02.38 | dho_plan9 | That's part of the mentor's job as a mentor. |
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| 18:03.03 | dho_plan9 | They're there to explain parts of the process, give suggestions, and provide insight to algorithms or procedures that you may be unfamiliar with. |
| 18:03.09 | Chainsaw | Borbus: How we deal with it in Atheme is by setting people a code challenge. |
| 18:03.59 | Chainsaw | Borbus: By completing that, you're doing preparation for the proposal (we've made sure it's useful for the rest of the project), it'll show your mentor you're up to the job, and it'll give you a good idea of what the rest of the project will be like. |
| 18:04.00 | kblin | Borbus: it'd be kind of silly to expect that, as only people who are already developers with the project would fulfill that requirement |
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| 18:04.20 | Borbus | Yeah I guess |
| 18:04.21 | dho_plan9 | ^kblin |
| 18:04.29 | dho_plan9 | A more succinct way to put it. |
| 18:04.29 | spectie | that's a good idea actually Chainsaw |
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| 18:04.46 | Chainsaw | spectie: We're doing challenges for the second year now. It's a keeper. |
| 18:04.56 | spectie | i mean |
| 18:05.01 | dho_plan9 | It is a good idea. I'll discuss it with some of our mentors |
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| 18:05.03 | spectie | i've been trying to coax people into getting started |
| 18:05.03 | Borbus | What format is the date of birth supposed to be in? I was going to do it in iso form but it only takes slashes, is it US form like mm/dd/yyyy? |
| 18:05.06 | spectie | early |
| 18:05.12 | spectie | but making it more formal might be a good idea |
| 18:05.22 | Chainsaw | spectie: For example: http://www.atheme.org/wiki/atheme-project/TaggingLibrary |
| 18:05.42 | Chainsaw | spectie: It's one of those things they can't serve me a copy/pasta salad for. |
| 18:05.50 | thetopcoder | whois |
| 18:05.52 | Chainsaw | spectie: Because there is no working WMA tag writing code available for linux. |
| 18:06.00 | spectie | nice |
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| 18:06.17 | kblin | doesn't work for all projects, of course |
| 18:06.27 | kblin | we've been over that at the mentor summit |
| 18:06.30 | kblin | :) |
| 18:06.42 | kblin | but if it works, it's definetely a good idea |
| 18:06.43 | Chainsaw | kblin: *nod* If it involves C coding it might be a good fit though. |
| 18:06.51 | Chainsaw | kblin: I find it quite helpful to see what coding style someone really has. |
| 18:07.11 | Borbus | Does the WMA bit require them to reverse engineer WMA or has somebody already documented that? |
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| 18:08.03 | Chainsaw | Borbus: There's Microsoft documentation on ASF tagging. |
| 18:08.10 | Chainsaw | Borbus: Also, there's a complete tag reader available in Taglib. |
| 18:08.25 | kblin | Chainsaw: the samba learning curve is kind of steep, we expect people to need mentoring from day 1 |
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| 18:08.38 | Chainsaw | Borbus: Well, in a patch to Taglib that the author flatly refused. The writing sequence in that code fragment consists of // XXX TODO though. |
| 18:09.18 | kblin | Chainsaw: of course we could come up with little assignments that don't reate to our source code, but I don't see anybody spending time on that |
| 18:09.27 | kblin | *relate |
| 18:10.00 | Chainsaw | kblin: I would. If they're going to spend months on coding something, I like to be sure they can actually code in C. |
| 18:10.19 | Chainsaw | kblin: I've not had any students that refused it. If anything, there's much enthuasiasm and even competition. |
| 18:10.34 | kblin | Chainsaw: we've never had any problems with that |
| 18:10.37 | spectie | we were thinking setting a task of actually installing our software :D |
| 18:10.44 | Chainsaw | (And in all honesty, the challenges that I set last year weren't all that relevant or exciting) |
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| 18:11.19 | Chainsaw | kblin: *nod* |
| 18:11.40 | kblin | Chainsaw: the last two people we had to fail underestimated the time needed for gsoc and took on summer jobs as well |
| 18:12.10 | kblin | I'm not sure how to avoid that apart from telling them it won't work |
| 18:12.17 | Chainsaw | kblin: Right. I've not had to fail anyone yet. |
| 18:12.28 | spectie | we've said that gsoc is basically like a summer job |
| 18:12.34 | Chainsaw | I agree, it is. |
| 18:12.36 | spectie | and they'll be required to spend 30 hours at least a week |
| 18:12.49 | kblin | spectie: I've said the same |
| 18:12.51 | spectie | and to tell us about their other commitments beforehand |
| 18:12.52 | Borbus | "(a) that any Project Submission is your own and original, |
| 18:13.08 | Borbus | previously unpublished, and previously unproduced work;" so you can't use code you wrote for another library/program? |
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| 18:13.23 | Borbus | Even though it was free software |
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| 18:14.09 | kblin | Borbus: the idea is to write new code |
| 18:14.41 | kblin | besides, free software isn't always compatible to free software |
| 18:14.50 | kblin | licensing sucks bigtime |
| 18:14.59 | spectie | yeah :( |
| 18:15.16 | Borbus | Well that doesn't really matter, if it's your own you can relicense it freely |
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| 18:15.34 | kblin | yeah, but that#s a corner case anyway |
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| 18:16.06 | Borbus | I understand not doing it just to put your existing library in the codebase, you could do that on your own time |
| 18:16.33 | Borbus | It's just that many people have their little mini-libraries of tools.. but I guess that would be a grey area |
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| 18:17.38 | kblin | Byeah |
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| 18:20.45 | kblin | bo |
| 18:21.33 | kblin | Borbus: You can of course use any open source libraries out there. It just won't be rated as your GSoC code. |
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| 18:23.53 | rep | the student proposal wiki page that is created by submitting a proposal - will that be directly made public or viewed "as-is" by people or admins? |
| 18:24.22 | rep | or will some kind of other document be created out of the proposals? |
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| 18:25.00 | kblin | Borbus: If I write a Kerberos plugin for a pice of software, no one would expect me to reimplement Kerberos. |
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| 18:29.08 | kblin | gnah |
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| 18:31.01 | dho_plan9 | !faq |
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| 18:31.01 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 18:31.46 | dho_plan9 | Are students able to modify their proposals (other than the abstract) after submitting them? |
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| 18:33.01 | caden|pycon | dho_plan9-- my understanding is yes |
| 18:33.12 | caden|pycon | at least until the submission deadline |
| 18:33.21 | caden|pycon | has anyone heard differently |
| 18:33.47 | dho_plan9 | A potential student said that wasn't possible 2 years ago, and that was my recollection from when we were doing this in 2007, but I don't remember clearly. |
| 18:34.28 | scorche|sh | dho_plan9: it was possible in the past, but only after a mentor commented on it |
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| 18:34.45 | dho_plan9 | Alright. |
| 18:34.48 | dho_plan9 | Thank you |
| 18:35.08 | lh | !advice |
| 18:35.08 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 18:35.37 | Guest61044 | what we should do in case if the mentor do not respond! |
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| 18:35.57 | scorche|sh | Guest61044: go to them |
| 18:37.40 | schumaml | additional hint: as soon as possible |
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| 18:38.12 | Zamy | bye :) |
| 18:38.27 | schumaml | my experience from three socs is that applications do get better the more you talk to the orgs |
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| 18:39.30 | ecin | Well, great ideas don't happen in a vacuum often. |
| 18:39.34 | ecin | Talk talk talk! |
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| 18:40.41 | schumaml | I'm exaggerating slightly, but for our org, applications do usually come in two fashions: ones that we did know about previously and do actually consider doable, and the others :) |
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| 18:41.54 | Sepho | hi everybody |
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| 18:42.29 | ecin | Welcome to the party, Sepho. |
| 18:42.53 | rep | Is it a known bug or feature that the content form field gets directly displayed on the proposal page? You currently have to use html markup to put in linebreaks etc... |
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| 18:43.05 | Sepho | Hi ecin :) |
| 18:45.14 | Sepho | What's new in town? |
| 18:45.29 | ecin | The flurry of student applications, I suppose. |
| 18:45.48 | Landon | flurry? |
| 18:45.51 | Landon | it's only been 3 dayas! |
| 18:45.52 | KillerX | flurry? where? |
| 18:45.53 | Landon | :P |
| 18:46.06 | Landon | I wouldn't expect a flurry until at least the 6th ;) |
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| 18:46.28 | ecin | Actually, I think it's an exponential function. |
| 18:46.40 | ecin | The closer to the deadline it is, the higher the number of proposals coming in. |
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| 18:46.48 | Sepho | haha |
| 18:46.53 | kapax | hello |
| 18:47.04 | lh | rep: best place to ask that is in #melange |
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| 18:47.25 | kapax | i have just watched a video about GSOC. i am curious, you, guys, are all going to participate? |
| 18:47.39 | Sepho | I've seen some mentors ideas and I'm gonna try with two, lucky me... |
| 18:47.40 | ecin | All of us? No no. Just most. :P There are some mentors here as well. |
| 18:47.54 | Landon | kapax: plenty of us in here are mentors, plenty of us are students, and plenty of us are just plain lurkers |
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| 18:48.35 | alpaca | and me. im not participating. |
| 18:48.40 | alpaca | just hanging out and wishing i could :( |
| 18:48.51 | kapax | why you are not? |
| 18:49.00 | alpaca | not eligible because im taking a quarter off fmor school this spring |
| 18:49.12 | alpaca | returning in the fall, i just need to save up some money for rent/tuition/etc |
| 18:49.39 | alpaca | so im working for ~6 months |
| 18:49.39 | dho_plan9 | alpaca: that's unfortunate |
| 18:49.39 | alpaca | but yeah - that makes me ineligible |
| 18:49.39 | kapax | and am i eligible? i study software engineering full-time course in university in Lithuania |
| 18:49.39 | alpaca | kapax: yeah, you should be eligibl |
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| 18:49.44 | alpaca | even part time students are eligible |
| 18:49.57 | alpaca | i AM trying to get some night classes together, so if that works out i should be able to participate |
| 18:50.01 | Landon | alpaca: that's lurking :P |
| 18:50.04 | alpaca | but i dont want to spend time working on proposals if its worthless |
| 18:50.05 | kapax | i see. ok, i am going to find some more information :) |
| 18:50.11 | hypa7ia | alpaca: are you in school now? |
| 18:50.20 | alpaca | yeah - just taking spring qtr off |
| 18:50.26 | kapax | i saw there are some OS projects presented. would it be hard to get involved into this? |
| 18:50.27 | alpaca | im on spring break right now technically |
| 18:50.37 | kapax | i like low level programming |
| 18:50.41 | Sepho | kapax, yes |
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| 18:50.48 | dho_plan9 | kapax: Figure out a project idea that sounds interesting to you, and submit an application. :) |
| 18:51.00 | kapax | that's what i was scared most of. i don't have much experience |
| 18:51.04 | hypa7ia | hmm... you may want to look at the dates when you have to be registered in school in order to participate. depending on when "spring quarter" is, it may not affect your eligibility |
| 18:51.05 | dho_plan9 | Nobody does :) |
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| 18:51.13 | dho_plan9 | That's the point of the program. |
| 18:51.16 | alpaca | hypa7ia: its 4/20 |
| 18:51.27 | alpaca | and i wont be enrolled then. ive already checked with my university and everything |
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| 18:51.42 | hypa7ia | ah cool |
| 18:51.45 | alpaca | i understand i cant participate, but i still love the idea of gsoc so ive been sticking around and chatting/helping/answering questions i might know the ansewr to |
| 18:52.03 | hypa7ia | alpaca: cool :) |
| 18:52.08 | hypa7ia | alpaca: any interest in mentoring? |
| 18:52.24 | kapax | most people are here from the US? |
| 18:52.26 | alpaca | oh absolutely, at some point. i dont know if im ready for that now though |
| 18:52.26 | Sepho | It's a good question... If I've a project idea, supose anything like a virtual machine, like VirtualBox, VMWare... If I've the idea, and the knowledgements of programming, but no idea how to start the project... what I should do in this case? |
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| 18:52.46 | Sepho | kapax, I'm from spain as you can see with my poor english haha :P |
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| 18:53.03 | kapax | i can't see your poor english :D |
| 18:53.04 | alpaca | im sure there are certain projects id be capable of mentoring, but im not involved in any projects so idont really know anything. |
| 18:53.08 | dho_plan9 | alpaca: I'm sure we've got plenty of projects you can work on regardless of your status :) |
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| 18:54.09 | ecin | This really is an international program. You'll meet people from all over the world by sticking around here. |
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| 18:54.18 | kapax | oh, btw, i have a question related to this VM stuff. recently i have got a task in university to write a "real machine" which would be able to run several "virtual machines". but i guess that's a wrong name for this. don't you think so? |
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| 18:54.34 | kapax | because my "real machine" had to run in some OS |
| 18:54.56 | vicmiclovich | h |
| 18:56.30 | BigBrain | Hi guys, can anybody here tell me wether "students" at a german Gymnasium are students in GSoC's meaning? |
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| 18:57.18 | Sepho | maybe, but I think to do a virtual machine it's quite difficult, and in the other side you will learn a lot |
| 18:57.25 | kblin | BigBrain: I think so |
| 18:57.33 | estan | BigBrain: i just asked kind of the same question (i'm in sweden, taking a mix of classes at a pre-uni school (gymnasium)). and i was told i was eligble. |
| 18:57.36 | kblin | BigBrain: assuming you're older than 18 |
| 18:57.54 | kblin | BigBrain: and still in school at april 20th |
| 18:58.11 | vicmiclovich | big is big :) |
| 18:58.15 | BigBrain | ;) |
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| 18:58.27 | kblin | BigBrain: also, your abitur schould be over at the time gsoc starts, because that tends to be a drag on your time |
| 18:58.40 | kblin | judging from my own experience, that is |
| 18:58.47 | estan | BigBrain: as long as your local government has given the school permission to teach classes and you satisfy the other requirements, i think you're eligble. |
| 18:59.15 | kapax | Sepho, i wrote it and it was not so difficult. of course, it does not work like a real one because i did it in something like 10 hours. it's just a model of some machine |
| 18:59.36 | BigBrain | yeah, I was a bit unsure about that too, but on the other hand I'm in the 12th grade, i.e. exams will be next year... i still have to look in what time frame I'll be doing my coding :) |
| 19:00.08 | BigBrain | But thanks kblin, will think about applying then in the next few days |
| 19:00.15 | Sepho | kapax, great! You wrote it in C or C++? |
| 19:00.22 | kapax | Java |
| 19:00.39 | Sepho | yup |
| 19:00.50 | kapax | my aim was to make it OOP but i didn't want to lose my time, so i chose the easiest language :) |
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| 19:01.38 | Sepho | well done :P |
| 19:02.21 | kapax | but i still don't get it. i think it has to be called a virtual machine rather than a real machine, because it is not real :) |
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| 19:03.24 | vicmiclovich | have you guys checked out ideas on the OSU gsoc... some experimentation with Android :) |
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| 19:05.07 | ecin | Oh? vicmiclovich mind providing a link? |
| 19:05.23 | cjhopman | !next |
| 19:05.23 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 19:05.48 | alpaca | dho_plan9: yeah, you mean like how most open source coding works? :P |
| 19:06.03 | vicmiclovich | don't know it in my head though... you could google it... it's under lists of mentors... Ohio state university's open source lab |
| 19:06.08 | dho_plan9 | Plan 9 isn't like most open source projects in pretty much all respects :\ |
| 19:06.32 | KillerX | amen. |
| 19:06.37 | johndbritton | anyone in/around nyc? |
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| 19:06.52 | alpaca | vicmiclovich: what about osu's osl? |
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| 19:06.59 | alpaca | nevermind. |
| 19:07.33 | alpaca | dho_plan9: other than bell labs, what else is differnet? |
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| 19:08.29 | dho_plan9 | The process. The people. The environment (which is a big deal, because it affects the architecture of programs, and what you can actually write them in). |
| 19:09.10 | alpaca | well, im still interested ;) |
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| 19:09.34 | alpaca | starting today ive got almost every night to sit around and do nothing. |
| 19:09.38 | KillerX | No traditional version control for starters |
| 19:09.41 | alpaca | for the next 6 months. |
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| 19:09.53 | dho_plan9 | alpaca: What's interesting to you |
| 19:10.15 | Sepho | It's a good question... If I've a project idea, supose anything like a virtual machine, like VirtualBox, VMWare... If I've the idea, and the knowledgements of programming, but no idea how to start the project... what I should do in this case? (bis :P ) |
| 19:10.15 | alpaca | plan9. we talked a couple days ago remember? |
| 19:10.22 | dho_plan9 | Yes, btbam, etc |
| 19:10.27 | dho_plan9 | Just curious as to what in specific :) |
| 19:10.42 | alpaca | honestly, i need to just pick someting and go with it. |
| 19:10.52 | alpaca | whatever it is, im going to have to do a lot of reading/learning |
| 19:11.05 | Catfish_Man | Sepho: what organization would be mentoring such a project? |
| 19:11.21 | dho_plan9 | Well if it has anything to do with 9vx or networking, I'd be glad to help. |
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| 19:11.54 | Sepho | Catfish_Man, it's a suppose |
| 19:12.17 | kblin | Sepho: find a mentoring org that would be interested |
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| 19:12.40 | hypa7ia | Sepho: why don't you contribute to an exising project like virtualbox? |
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| 19:13.29 | Sepho | because if I have the knowledge of programming but I don't know how a VM works "inside" |
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| 19:14.12 | pavelo | all the more reason to not start a new project |
| 19:14.16 | alpaca | so 9vx is just an emulation of plan9 on other OS's? |
| 19:14.27 | alpaca | dho_plan9: ^ |
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| 19:14.51 | summatusmentis | hi penyaskito |
| 19:15.04 | penyaskito | hi summatusmentis |
| 19:15.13 | kblin | Sepho: GSoC is not about starting new OSS projects |
| 19:15.16 | dho_plan9 | 9vx is a Plan 9 kernel that runs on top of a virtual machine in a host OS. The VM is compiled into the binary. |
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| 19:16.18 | dho_plan9 | Sepho: We have an open project to port a VM to Plan 9. In 2007, someone attempted at qemu, and has some usable progress, but it wasn't finished. |
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| 19:16.40 | dho_plan9 | (Which I think says enough about the process of dealing with creating and porting virtual machines as a SoC project) |
| 19:16.53 | penyaskito | summatusmentis, I'll be AFK, if you wanted anything mail me instead :-) |
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| 19:17.42 | summatusmentis | penyaskito: nope, just saying hi :) |
| 19:18.10 | latitude | men, how final evaluation deadline on Aug 17 differs from submitting required code samples to Google on Sep 03? |
| 19:18.11 | hypa7ia | Sepho: if you don't know how a VM works from a technical level, i definitely recommend not starting a project to make one :) |
| 19:18.17 | hypa7ia | latitude: we're not all men here |
| 19:18.32 | thiago_home | latitude: the evaluation is filling in a form |
| 19:18.40 | latitude | wow, sorry hypa7ia |
| 19:18.41 | thiago_home | latitude: the submitting code is uploading a tarball |
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| 19:19.04 | latitude | so how about firm pencils down date? |
| 19:19.13 | hypa7ia | latitude: no worries, just figured i'd point it out :) |
| 19:19.16 | schumaml | have you read the faq? |
| 19:19.16 | latitude | it is not firm :) |
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| 19:19.29 | penyaskito | summatusmentis, hi, bye ;-) |
| 19:19.50 | summatusmentis | latitude: it is firm, pay attention :) pencils down means stop coding, final eval means fill out the eval form, submit code means submit code |
| 19:19.54 | summatusmentis | they're three different things |
| 19:20.27 | latitude | oh, i finally got it |
| 19:20.35 | thiago_home | latitude: you don't stop coding |
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| 19:20.44 | thiago_home | you're supposed to remain in the project forever :-) |
| 19:20.53 | thiago_home | but the evaluation, obviously, is up to that point |
| 19:20.57 | thiago_home | we can't evaluate future performance |
| 19:21.03 | summatusmentis | thiago_home: pencils down is stop coding to be evaluated, nothing past that counts |
| 19:21.05 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 19:21.37 | phrame | hi everybody :D |
| 19:22.01 | phrame | summatusmentis: it sort of counts if you decide you'd like to code for the same organization next year |
| 19:22.14 | koryk | hi phrame! |
| 19:22.21 | phrame | hiya |
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| 19:22.24 | summatusmentis | phrame: well, doesn't count for the eval |
| 19:23.06 | latitude | so well like thiago_home said, you're supposed to code for them forever, if you like it ) |
| 19:23.21 | latitude | if not, doing it next year is pointless |
| 19:23.24 | phrame | if you're just in it for one summer, yeah |
| 19:25.15 | phrame | it's too bad i have so much homework to do this week |
| 19:26.01 | phrame | i might not have time to start on my apps until the weekend |
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| 19:41.12 | Anixx | hi |
| 19:41.40 | Anixx | I am having a bit prob while submitting an application................... |
| 19:42.10 | Anixx | while submitting it a mesaage occours :The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. |
| 19:42.27 | Anixx | Anybody ther? |
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| 19:42.33 | kapax | look, according to GSoC website, students had to get to know mentors and organizations before applications started. isn't it too late already as i have just found information about it today? |
| 19:42.58 | danderson | it's never too late. Make contact with them, discuss your idea |
| 19:43.03 | koryk | kapax: that is just a suggestion time |
| 19:43.13 | kapax | oh ok :) |
| 19:43.20 | danderson | any contact is still better than an anonymous candidate |
| 19:44.19 | Ori_B | Anixx: yes, people are here. |
| 19:44.28 | sandy_kc | I mailed the concerned person to discuss but I did not get any reply from yesterday |
| 19:44.49 | sandy_kc | and there is no on except me on the particular channel |
| 19:44.49 | Ori_B | sandy_kc: IRC is also good |
| 19:44.53 | Ori_B | ah. |
| 19:45.02 | Ori_B | what project? |
| 19:45.05 | sandy_kc | ascen |
| 19:45.08 | sandy_kc | *ascend |
| 19:45.54 | kapax | if i understand right, there will always be at least a few students working on the same project together and sharing their ideas at the same time? so, we will never be left alone? |
| 19:46.33 | Catfish_Man | kapax: you'll be working with your mentor, and with the project as a whole, but typically not other gsoc students |
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| 19:46.45 | sandy_kc | tell me what should I do get in touch with the mentor in my case?? |
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| 19:47.29 | Anixx | I am havin, a bit problem while submitting a application............ |
| 19:47.46 | vicmiclovich | which kind exactly? |
| 19:48.23 | kapax | thanks |
| 19:48.25 | omniter | WEEEE submitted my first proposal |
| 19:48.31 | omniter | *sigh of relief* |
| 19:48.32 | Anixx | while submittin it is diplaying:the network link is interupted while negootiating a connection |
| 19:48.34 | sandy_kc | congrats |
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| 19:48.49 | omniter | now to wait for feedback for revision. =D |
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| 19:49.04 | Anixx | ?? |
| 19:49.49 | Anixx | negotiating**** |
| 19:50.14 | sandy_kc | anybody here for ASCEND..?? |
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| 19:50.35 | scorche|sh | !anyone |
| 19:50.36 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 19:50.47 | omniter | how do i see other people's applications? or are they not public? |
| 19:50.56 | scorche|sh | they are not public |
| 19:51.05 | omniter | because i see "Subscribe" and "Review" on my application page |
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| 19:51.23 | scorche|sh | !userguide |
| 19:51.24 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 19:51.30 | scorche|sh | perhaps that can explain some bits |
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| 19:52.57 | kapax | can i participate in GSoC only once or as long as i am a student? |
| 19:53.08 | scorche|sh | as long as you are a student |
| 19:53.15 | summatusmentis | kapax: as long as you're a student |
| 19:53.18 | koryk | I'm going to be a student FOREVER! |
| 19:53.44 | dho_plan9 | some people do that :P |
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| 19:53.49 | scorche|sh | omniter: as a note, the abstract will be made publicly viewable if you are accepted |
| 19:53.53 | dho_plan9 | has never been a student |
| 19:54.04 | omniter | scorche|sh, that i know, thanks. =) |
| 19:54.21 | lut4rp | anyone from Review Board here? |
| 19:54.22 | summatusmentis | koryk: I've thought about that too, but more as a way to get out of paying back student loans |
| 19:54.37 | lut4rp | ahh, ChipX86 - ping |
| 19:54.37 | omniter | i just used a snippet from my proposal for my abstract. =D |
| 19:55.01 | koryk | omniter: how many apps are you submitting? |
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| 19:56.00 | omniter | koryk, i don't recommend anyone else do this, but there's only really one i really wanna submit. |
| 19:56.12 | omniter | :( |
| 19:56.21 | Anixx | Does anybody has answer of my previous question? |
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| 19:56.50 | sandy_kc | could you repeat it? |
| 19:57.06 | omniter | <Anixx> while submittin it is diplaying:the network link is interupted while negotiating a connection |
| 19:57.20 | koryk | omniter: i feel the same way - but I am going to put in a few more just in case |
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| 19:57.29 | Anixx | ? |
| 19:57.42 | borja | Anixx: If you are having trouble with the webapp, #melange is a better place to ask |
| 19:57.51 | borja | There's some people here who admin the webapp, but they're not always here |
| 19:57.52 | summatusmentis | borja: you have colleagues at argonne right? |
| 19:57.57 | borja | summatusmentis: yup |
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| 19:58.04 | grwi | i'm currently registering as a student, but on the Phone field, what should I write ? I'm studying away from home, could I write my mobile ? |
| 19:58.04 | Anixx | ok |
| 19:58.27 | ArthurLiu_ | so, fellow GSoC mentors and admins, what's the shiniest, rockstar, exciting idea proposal on you idea list ? |
| 19:58.41 | Anixx | Does anyone having same problem or there may be error in application? |
| 19:59.05 | summatusmentis | ArthurLiu: if we're applying to it, why would we tell you? :-P |
| 19:59.18 | ArthurLiu | that's why I said fellow mentors and admins :) |
| 19:59.34 | Anixx | ok buddy....... |
| 19:59.36 | summatusmentis | I read student in thre somehwere |
| 19:59.39 | summatusmentis | sorry :) |
| 19:59.59 | scorche|sh | ugh..no poll questions...in a channel with 10 people in it, those are useful... |
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| 20:01.22 | ArthurLiu | oh well, I was just wondering if our idea list was exciting enough, it is, if you know what they're about :) |
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| 20:04.43 | kblin | ArthurLiu: if you're thinking that there's very few submitted applications so far, Isee that as well |
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| 20:05.48 | ArthurLiu | oh well, just be patient and prepare for the end of application period rush |
| 20:06.03 | kblin | yeah |
| 20:06.06 | summatusmentis | fwiw, I'm hoping to get my app in today or tomorrow |
| 20:06.22 | omniter | i don't even see anybody INTERESTED in my org's forum. last year there were so many |
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| 20:06.36 | summatusmentis | omniter: what's your org? |
| 20:06.43 | omniter | summatusmentis, ogre |
| 20:06.46 | kblin | ArthurLiu: but speaking of fancy, I think writing a software renderer for a media repo is pretty cool :) |
| 20:07.08 | ArthurLiu | a wha? |
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| 20:09.11 | summatusmentis | there seem to be a lot of graphics engines |
| 20:09.24 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I've got a webapp that's a shiny (designed for artists) frontend to media repositories as commonly found in gaming projects |
| 20:09.39 | omniter | summatusmentis, i only see 2 |
| 20:09.44 | kblin | ArthurLiu: and currently I can't do previews of 3d models |
| 20:09.45 | omniter | ogre and crystal space |
| 20:10.15 | summatusmentis | oh, I guess thousand parsec is a game framwork |
| 20:10.47 | kblin | ArthurLiu: so I've got a project to design an extendable software renderer that can load the 3d file formats commonly found in our media repo and render 2d previews suitable for web presentation |
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| 20:10.59 | ArthurLiu | interesting |
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| 20:12.02 | ArthurLiu | we have a project to produce a python/django based launchpad-like bug tracker/triager for Debian |
| 20:12.10 | orirawlings | hi, whenever i try to submit a project proposal i get a 500 Server Error |
| 20:12.20 | orirawlings | does anyone know what is going on with that? |
| 20:12.25 | kblin | ArthurLiu: you mean like launchpad, only open source? |
| 20:12.36 | llnz | summatusmentis: more than just a framework, we have several games using the framework too |
| 20:12.46 | ArthurLiu | of course, it won't be as extensive as launchpad, but it will actually be free :) |
| 20:13.02 | summatusmentis | llnz: yes, just did a quick look at the homepage |
| 20:13.51 | ArthurLiu | our bugtracker is read only and all interaction is mail based and very complicated |
| 20:13.57 | caden|pycon | ArthurLiu, i am interested in your organizationa dn would like to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 20:14.30 | ArthurLiu | caden|pycon, it's a little project with 5 guys in a garage making an os named Debian :) |
| 20:14.51 | kblin | crap |
| 20:15.08 | kblin | I just managed to activate some desktop zoom |
| 20:15.28 | kblin | now a 10pt letter is like 1cm high |
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| 20:15.43 | kblin | and I don't know how to turn it off |
| 20:15.44 | ArthurLiu | kblin, you tried to use the fancy features in compiz ? |
| 20:15.50 | kblin | stupid desktop effect |
| 20:16.01 | caden|pycon | i like debian, and also python and have heard good things about django. so, keep up your good work, sir. |
| 20:16.02 | kblin | ArthurLiu: not on purpose |
| 20:16.22 | hypa7ia | kblin: i got hit by that, it sucks... forget how to resolve it though |
| 20:16.51 | kblin | hypa7ia: how very unhelpful :) |
| 20:16.52 | ArthurLiu | caden|pycon, will do :) |
| 20:17.05 | ArthurLiu | kblin, killall -9 compiz ? |
| 20:17.48 | kblin | haha |
| 20:18.03 | kblin | I managed to find my way into the compiz settings and disable them |
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| 20:18.34 | SRabbelier | kblin: at 500x zoom? smooth! |
| 20:19.28 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, he just had to sit very very far from his screen |
| 20:19.42 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: lmao :P |
| 20:19.44 | glaksmono | why is it called melange? <-- i wonder |
| 20:19.54 | glaksmono | wrong place |
| 20:19.55 | glaksmono | my bad |
| 20:19.55 | kblin | glaksmono: spice of creation? |
| 20:20.06 | glaksmono | soc <-- that's spice of creation |
| 20:20.15 | glaksmono | or summer of code |
| 20:20.21 | glaksmono | hmm.. |
| 20:20.25 | dwins | !melange |
| 20:20.26 | socinfo | "melange" is http://code.google.com/p/soc/ |
| 20:20.30 | SRabbelier | fancy |
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| 20:20.38 | kblin | stupid borrowed notebook |
| 20:20.44 | kblin | I want my own back |
| 20:20.46 | glaksmono | ahaha |
| 20:21.01 | SRabbelier | kblin: what's wrong with yours? |
| 20:21.02 | dwins | glaksmono: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melange_(fictional_drug) |
| 20:21.11 | glaksmono | (fictional drugs) |
| 20:21.39 | kblin | SRabbelier: display broken |
| 20:21.49 | SRabbelier | kblin: ouch, when do you get it back fixed? |
| 20:21.57 | glaksmono | check this out: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+melange&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS274US274&aq=t |
| 20:22.03 | kblin | this week, probably |
| 20:22.08 | kblin | but I had to travel today |
| 20:22.32 | SRabbelier | cackles |
| 20:22.35 | SRabbelier | Google knows us! |
| 20:22.39 | kblin | and instead of wasting 10 hours doing nothing, I decided to borrow my dad's box |
| 20:22.59 | SRabbelier | kblin: so instead you can waste 10 hours getting his box to do what you want? |
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| 20:23.10 | glaksmono | define: Srabbelier |
| 20:23.18 | SRabbelier | ha! |
| 20:23.22 | glaksmono | !define SRabbelier |
| 20:23.22 | SRabbelier | would be scary if it knew me |
| 20:23.22 | socinfo | Error: "define" is not a valid command. |
| 20:23.26 | glaksmono | lol |
| 20:23.41 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn srabbelier as Sverre Rabbelier, one of the Melange developers. |
| 20:23.42 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:23.42 | SRabbelier | like that? |
| 20:23.48 | glaksmono | i think if you put ur info on Wiki |
| 20:23.48 | SRabbelier | !srabbelier |
| 20:23.48 | socinfo | "srabbelier" is Sverre Rabbelier, one of the Melange developers. |
| 20:23.51 | glaksmono | it will result something |
| 20:23.53 | kblin | no, it's a kubuntu box, apt-get build-dep samba |
| 20:23.56 | glaksmono | oh it knows you! |
| 20:24.02 | glaksmono | !glaksmono |
| 20:24.03 | socinfo | Error: "glaksmono" is not a valid command. |
| 20:24.09 | SRabbelier | glaksmono: I just tought it :P |
| 20:24.13 | SRabbelier | kblin: ah, tha'ts nice |
| 20:24.22 | SRabbelier | kblin: you taught your father well then :P |
| 20:24.56 | kblin | SRabbelier: actually he insisted on Linux after he saw vista |
| 20:25.21 | glaksmono | SRabbelier: are you also mentor for other orgs? |
| 20:25.33 | hypa7ia | my 80+-year-old doctor tried linux at my suggestion when he mentioned that he disliked vista |
| 20:25.34 | SRabbelier | kblin: OMG! That's so awesome |
| 20:25.35 | glaksmono | i wonder what Melange could be used in other occasions too..? hmm.. |
| 20:25.51 | SRabbelier | glaksmono: no, just for Melange, but I contemplated mentoring for git, just don't have the time |
| 20:26.05 | glaksmono | kk i c |
| 20:26.06 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: that's an old doc |
| 20:26.19 | glaksmono | is going to get food for lunch |
| 20:26.27 | glaksmono | just woke up at 12:30 PM and get some luch |
| 20:26.29 | glaksmono | lunch* |
| 20:26.30 | glaksmono | hahaha |
| 20:26.32 | glaksmono | later guys |
| 20:26.59 | hypa7ia | SRabbelier: he's probably not actually 80, but he's definitely well over 60 |
| 20:27.16 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: cool :) |
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| 20:29.29 | ChipX86 | lut4rp: pong |
| 20:29.38 | omniter | anyone fancy a look at a short vid clip i included in my application to Ogre? =) |
| 20:29.50 | omniter | pretty short. just a couple of old game demos |
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| 20:30.08 | omniter | http://vimeo.com/3854130 |
| 20:30.35 | lut4rp | ChipX86, does Review Board have a dedicated channel, or should shoot the questions here? :) |
| 20:30.36 | kblin | SRabbelier: he said he used unix back in the late 70s on a mainframe to do whatever biologists did backt hen that required number crunching |
| 20:31.45 | kblin | SRabbelier: you can imagine my surprise when I boot up the box, and he sees the terminal login and is klike "hey, just like that unix I used to use" |
| 20:31.51 | omniter | there's a review board? :S |
| 20:31.58 | omniter | i thought only the orgs review your apps |
| 20:32.09 | ChipX86 | omniter: it's code review software - review-board.org |
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| 20:32.20 | omniter | ah |
| 20:32.21 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol, nice, nice :P |
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| 20:32.35 | ChipX86 | lut4rp: there isn't, we pretty much request that people use the mailing list (reviewboard-gsoc@googlegroups.com) so that there's a record of questions (as things tend to come up a lot) |
| 20:32.38 | SRabbelier | kblin: I reckon he does use the graphical interface now though? |
| 20:32.39 | ChipX86 | but you can also msg me directly |
| 20:32.50 | kblin | SRabbelier: sure.. |
| 20:32.52 | lut4rp | ChipX86, ahh, I was writing to the list right now. |
| 20:33.09 | vivia | hi, can graduate students apply for gsoc? |
| 20:33.18 | kblin | vivia: yeah |
| 20:33.25 | kblin | !caniapply |
| 20:33.26 | socinfo | Error: "caniapply" is not a valid command. |
| 20:33.30 | kblin | hmm |
| 20:33.34 | lut4rp | ChipX86, Its really late here (2AM) so I guess I will drop a hello mail to the list and perhaps take time to talk to you sometime later. |
| 20:33.36 | kblin | what was that command again_ |
| 20:33.38 | kblin | ? |
| 20:33.40 | vivia | kblin: thanks. i can pay my insurance this year!! :D |
| 20:33.45 | vivia | (if i get accepted that is :D) |
| 20:33.48 | kblin | ack, I hate this keyboard layout |
| 20:33.59 | SRabbelier | !shouldiapply |
| 20:34.00 | socinfo | Error: "shouldiapply" is not a valid command. |
| 20:34.06 | dho_plan9 | kblin: e.g. learn canipply as YES YOU CAN LOLOL |
| 20:34.08 | SRabbelier | kblin: ah well, worth a shot |
| 20:34.20 | kblin | vivia: it's in the faq, in any case |
| 20:34.20 | dho_plan9 | prefixed by socinfo: of course |
| 20:34.21 | SRabbelier | !elegible |
| 20:34.21 | socinfo | Error: "elegible" is not a valid command. |
| 20:34.22 | omniter | YES YOU CAN LOLOL |
| 20:34.24 | SRabbelier | !elegibility |
| 20:34.25 | socinfo | Error: "elegibility" is not a valid command. |
| 20:34.31 | SRabbelier | well fsck me |
| 20:34.38 | SRabbelier | !elegible |
| 20:34.38 | socinfo | Error: "elegible" is not a valid command. |
| 20:34.41 | SRabbelier | !elegibility |
| 20:34.42 | socinfo | Error: "elegibility" is not a valid command. |
| 20:34.46 | kblin | runs fsck.sverre |
| 20:34.46 | SRabbelier | ah well |
| 20:35.00 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol |
| 20:35.15 | SRabbelier | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#eligibility |
| 20:35.17 | SRabbelier | that's the link anyway |
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| 20:35.47 | ChipX86 | lut4rp: sure. I'm available pretty late (PST) typically, too |
| 20:36.11 | ChipX86 | lut4rp: kinda dealing with an emergency build breakage at work, otherwise I'd have been more available today :P |
| 20:36.13 | kblin | SRabbelier: it claims you're a bit crazy, but that's probably on par for open source |
| 20:36.24 | vivia | kblin: iirc the faq was talking about "students" generalkly |
| 20:36.27 | lut4rp | ChipX86, :) |
| 20:36.48 | kblin | vivia: see SRabbelier's link |
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| 20:37.14 | kblin | SRabbelier: "You don't have to be crazy to work here, but it definitely helps" |
| 20:37.15 | sandy_kc | somebody please tell me which one is the channel for ASCEND. |
| 20:37.28 | SRabbelier | kblin: Yes, I am indeed as lazy as possible :P |
| 20:37.30 | kblin | sandy_kc: ask google |
| 20:37.37 | vivia | thx! |
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| 20:38.02 | SRabbelier | sandy_kc: http://tinyurl.com/dcwup6 |
| 20:38.02 | kblin | vivia: even phd students are eligible |
| 20:38.33 | vivia | thanx :) great news :) |
| 20:39.06 | pavelo | wonders if he should apply for a phd so he'll be elligible next year |
| 20:39.31 | sandy_kc | SRabbelier:thanx |
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| 20:40.49 | caden|pycon | geez i sure hope they can, i already applied |
| 20:41.54 | kblin | hehe |
| 20:42.20 | xorAxAx | given that i am an org admin, do i need to invite myself as a mentor again? |
| 20:42.23 | borja | caden|pycon: ooooo, you're at pycon |
| 20:42.23 | xorAxAx | (and reenter the address) |
| 20:42.25 | borja | <- jealous |
| 20:42.49 | borja | xorAxAx: yes, you need to invite yourself to be a mentor |
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| 20:43.47 | SRabbelier | xorAxAx: only if you wish to mentor :) |
| 20:44.06 | SRabbelier | xorAxAx: and I'm sure you'll survive entering your info :P |
| 20:44.09 | xorAxAx | well, the weird point is the duplicate entry |
| 20:44.18 | xorAxAx | yeah, no biggie |
| 20:44.18 | SRabbelier | xorAxAx: considering it takes a whopping 20 seconds :P |
| 20:44.36 | SRabbelier | xorAxAx: it's a known issue and we're planning on fixing it :) |
| 20:44.40 | xorAxAx | cool |
| 20:44.53 | xorAxAx | (i could fix it too if i wasnt so confused and lunatic these days) |
| 20:44.57 | Lennie | what issue :D |
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| 20:45.10 | SRabbelier | Lennie: entering data twice |
| 20:45.19 | Lennie | address stuff...? |
| 20:45.44 | SRabbelier | Lennie: yes |
| 20:45.53 | Lennie | k |
| 20:46.53 | Lennie | sends some DDoS in Erant's direction |
| 20:46.58 | Lennie | Erant: 3-1 :) |
| 20:47.10 | Lennie | ajuonline, seen Heroes? |
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| 20:48.48 | kblin | SRabbelier: twice? I wish. |
| 20:49.00 | caden|pycon | borja, why not come? i am jealous of everyone because i have to go to UW-Mad for the rest of the weekend |
| 20:49.05 | caden|pycon | still some good tutorials tomorrow |
| 20:49.12 | caden|pycon | not too pricey |
| 20:49.23 | Erant | Lennie: NOOOES |
| 20:49.44 | Lennie | the great mechanical builder returns from his LBP round :) |
| 20:49.53 | SRabbelier | kblin: well, a little more often if you are a mentor for multiple orgs like you :P |
| 20:49.55 | Lennie | Erant: Carlo decided to sharpen his record |
| 20:50.27 | Erant | Lennie: Again? Dude's on fire. |
| 20:51.12 | Lennie | yeah he's over 11.6k :( |
| 20:51.28 | Erant | Anyway, off for some more studying :/ Hope to get an application done tomorrow evening (time, finally!) |
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| 20:51.59 | Lennie | good luck with the exams tomorrow ;) |
| 20:52.34 | Lennie | kblin: Yeah it sucks, but it is also handy for the few who would like to have different addresses for different roles |
| 20:52.48 | Lennie | which apparently happened according to the people from GOSPO :P |
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| 20:53.17 | kblin | Lennie: I wouldn't mind optional |
| 20:53.38 | kblin | Lennie: but it'd be nice if it came pre-filled with the stuff I already entered four times :) |
| 20:53.45 | Lennie | yeah we know :D |
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| 20:54.44 | Lennie | "It's Open Source DIY" :D |
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| 20:55.55 | Lennie | stupid excuse though :D |
| 20:55.55 | _SerialNo_ | i'm interested in java projects |
| 20:55.55 | Lennie | !orgbylang |
| 20:55.55 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 20:55.55 | Lennie | take a look at the list there _SerialNo_ :) |
| 20:55.55 | _SerialNo_ | how can i find java organizzation |
| 20:55.55 | _SerialNo_ | ? |
| 20:55.55 | kblin | Lennie: yes. if I had to fix every bug I ran into myself, I wouldn't be able to do any work on my own projects :) |
| 20:56.34 | kblin | Lennie: besides, the point of open source is having the developers around to whine at |
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| 20:57.00 | ToxicFrog | Sigh. No Lua. |
| 20:57.03 | Lennie | mwah it's not wine until I deem it drinkable :) |
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| 20:57.36 | Lennie | _SerialNo_: [21:55:51] [+socinfo] "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 20:58.23 | chunmun | !timeline |
| 20:58.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 20:58.48 | kblin | Lennie: just give up, I'm a wine developer, I know about that stuff ,) |
| 20:58.57 | gchaix | https://dokuwiki.osuosl.org/soc/ideas2009 |
| 20:59.02 | gchaix | vicmiclovich: (belatedly catching up on the backlog) Oi! Not Ohio State, Oregon State University. :-) And, yes, we do have a couple of Android-related projects |
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| 21:08.09 | kapax | very interesting projects are presented. some of them i have even used. it's really a lot of fun :) |
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| 21:18.40 | pygi | WHO broke melange? :-/ |
| 21:18.55 | dho_plan9 | o_ |
| 21:19.01 | p_l | World Health Organisation? I was suspecting WTO... |
| 21:19.02 | kblin | I wonder if shooting a hip-hopper who's got his stupid mp3 player turned up so much I can hear him across a bloody train car counts as self defense |
| 21:19.21 | p_l | kblin: it's a service to humanity, you should get a medal |
| 21:19.32 | grwi | hip-hop \o/ |
| 21:19.41 | dho_plan9 | could also argue that you need to broaden your musical tastes. |
| 21:19.43 | dho_plan9 | Hate crime. |
| 21:19.53 | dhaun | kblin: invest in hearing-aid stocks instead ;-) |
| 21:19.58 | grwi | i hate ninjas |
| 21:20.12 | p_l | doesn't have anything against hip-hop itself. But so loud!? |
| 21:20.18 | pygi | seriously, why can't I submit an application? |
| 21:20.22 | pygi | danderson, ? :p |
| 21:20.23 | kblin | dho_plan9: if it was music, I'd mind less |
| 21:20.32 | dho_plan9 | kblin: ouch. |
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| 21:20.44 | grwi | kblin, what do you listen ? |
| 21:20.54 | dho_plan9 | listens to absolutely everything |
| 21:21.15 | kblin | on a second thought, it sounds more like techno |
| 21:21.29 | grwi | still no good |
| 21:21.31 | kblin | anyway, I'm outta here, bbl |
| 21:21.34 | dho_plan9 | Later |
| 21:21.54 | pygi | kblin, do you see any server 500 errors? :-/ |
| 21:21.59 | p_l | dho_plan9: I believe and try to act on "freedom", except there is a difference between freedom to do something by/for yourself and involvling others... |
| 21:22.39 | dho_plan9 | p_l: There's also a difference between complaining about something to everyone and politely asking said offender to turn down said music. |
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| 21:22.50 | p_l | dho_plan9: I know :) |
| 21:23.39 | p_l | the discussion just sort of started :D |
| 21:23.41 | dho_plan9 | But this is all coming from the dude who just had Tchaikovsky -> Marilyn Manson -> Porcupine Tree -> Radiohead -> Enya -> Buck 65 on his playlist |
| 21:24.09 | omniter | goes to slaughter hip hoppers |
| 21:24.15 | p_l | O, Tchaikovsky and Enya, nice :) (and I appreciate the crazy diversity of that playlist) |
| 21:24.33 | omniter | i listen to everything too. |
| 21:24.40 | dho_plan9 | And John 5 \m/ |
| 21:24.59 | omniter | only thing you guys are missing is some asian hip hop |
| 21:25.01 | bitner | pygi: I'm not telling you that you will get anymore help, but "who broke melange" is usually not the greatest way to ask for help -- outline the exact links and steps to get the problem you were having |
| 21:25.03 | p_l | chooses music mostly by movies or whatever caught his fancy, track by track |
| 21:25.15 | pygi | biliquai, :P |
| 21:25.18 | pygi | bitner, :P |
| 21:25.21 | dho_plan9 | omniter: I make up for it by including Dutch hip-hop. |
| 21:25.21 | pygi | that is a joke |
| 21:25.22 | pygi | chill :p |
| 21:25.43 | pygi | bitner, happens when I try to submit an application :) |
| 21:25.51 | kapax | where exactly do i fill and send application? or do i have to do it for each project i like separately? |
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| 21:26.26 | omniter | dho_plan9, i got swedish, and romanian |
| 21:26.30 | omniter | and french and russian |
| 21:26.45 | omniter | and korean and japanese and chinese |
| 21:26.51 | grwi | for each project an appl, you must be registered as a student, kapax |
| 21:27.02 | dho_plan9 | ^grwi |
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| 21:28.26 | Set_Killer | hello, i didn't understand from the faq what documentation is required from students who are outside of US and how to send it to you. |
| 21:29.50 | bitner | pygi: hit up #melange or submit a ticket http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 21:30.30 | kapax | thanks grwi |
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| 21:31.32 | grwi | Set_Killer, from what i'm told, the documentation will be ask for once you're accepted and the student document is ... in bulgaria we call it "a student book" : ) |
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| 21:33.00 | Set_Killer | grwi, thats for the students in the schools, what about the students at university? |
| 21:33.14 | grwi | i'm in univercity |
| 21:33.44 | Set_Killer | ah |
| 21:33.45 | grwi | and i've talked to the organization i've applied to |
| 21:34.32 | Set_Killer | so i should make a picture of the students book? with my image in ? |
| 21:34.52 | grwi | i haven't confirmed that yet, but yes : ) |
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| 21:36.19 | Set_Killer | grwi, ok, thanks |
| 21:36.25 | grwi | i've also been told that if there's something wrong, google will send an notice early |
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| 21:36.40 | smtms | if there's something wrong with sending the notices.. |
| 21:37.22 | grwi | i plan to make no errors :P |
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| 21:37.43 | Set_Killer | ;D |
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| 21:39.20 | grwi | !timeline |
| 21:39.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 21:40.57 | lh | !advice |
| 21:40.58 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 21:48.01 | kblin | so bloody obvious |
| 21:48.08 | kblin | I'm out of town for one day, and they of course tried to deliver my laptop |
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| 21:48.22 | glaksmono | is BACK |
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| 21:50.29 | Set_Killer | so after i write the application where should i send it? |
| 21:50.52 | kblin | !faq |
| 21:50.52 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 21:50.59 | kblin | or rather... |
| 21:51.03 | kblin | !userguide |
| 21:51.03 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
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| 21:54.03 | vicmiclovich | apps will be checked out by svn |
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| 21:55.00 | latitude | reading guide for mentors is quite usefull for student too, hehe |
| 21:55.17 | vsh426 | why? |
| 21:55.35 | vsh426 | whats there in the guide for mentors? |
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| 21:55.42 | grwi | read and find out : ) |
| 21:55.47 | latitude | :) |
| 21:55.49 | vsh426 | no time |
| 21:55.54 | vsh426 | ;) |
| 21:55.57 | latitude | !userguide |
| 21:55.57 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
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| 21:58.40 | kristy | hi |
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| 21:59.11 | kristy | can anybody help me? I keep getting "500 Server Error" when I try to submit my proposal |
| 22:00.21 | cookie | 500 server error is a general non specific error |
| 22:00.27 | cookie | maybe try again later? |
| 22:00.56 | kristy | yeah; is the server under maintenance now ? |
| 22:01.00 | borja | kristy: if the error persists, you may want to bring it up in #melange |
| 22:01.37 | borja | kristy: last time I had a 500 server error, it turned out it was a bug in Melange, so it's good to bring these things to their attention, in case it's not just the occasional server outage |
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| 22:02.41 | kristy | ok; i'll try it tomorrow; or just use different browser |
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| 22:25.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi there. |
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| 22:42.13 | pedronveloso | Hi! quick question: for a student, me, to aply all I got do is send and email to the mentor organization I want with my proposal right? |
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| 22:42.30 | hypa7ia | !faq |
| 22:42.30 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 22:42.35 | hypa7ia | read that, pedronveloso |
| 22:42.42 | hypa7ia | there's a bit more than just emailing the mentor |
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| 22:43.03 | Catfish_Man | in fact, emailing your proposal definitely won't work |
| 22:44.10 | pedronveloso | I've already done that, my doubt was like, I don't have to notify other persons too, just the mentor organization? |
| 22:44.28 | dho_plan9 | !next |
| 22:44.28 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 22:44.37 | dho_plan9 | See the application URL listed there |
| 22:44.41 | Catfish_Man | everything the mentoring organization does with proposals is handled via the webapp |
| 22:45.44 | Mathiasdm | ah |
| 22:45.52 | hypa7ia | pedronveloso: you have to get in touch with the mentor, but also do the application through the web |
| 22:46.07 | Mathiasdm | what about asking for feedback on a first version? |
| 22:46.29 | pedronveloso | I'm on the listening page, and I see the organizations name ( witch is a link) , and other link witch is the ideas list |
| 22:46.32 | dho_plan9 | Mathiasdm: You are free to change the application after enrolling. |
| 22:46.50 | hypa7ia | pedronveloso: you need to make an account and sign in |
| 22:46.52 | dho_plan9 | Or applying, whatever you want to call it. And that is the official place for mentors to discuss the application. |
| 22:46.53 | hypa7ia | then you can apply |
| 22:47.03 | Mathiasdm | okay, thanks, dho_plan9 |
| 22:47.06 | dho_plan9 | No problem. |
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| 22:47.58 | pedronveloso | I'm signed in, but wheres the form to fill, or button so that I apply to a project? |
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| 22:49.40 | dho_plan9 | pedronveloso: http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 22:50.39 | Drew_ | damn |
| 22:50.51 | Drew_ | :) |
| 22:51.05 | unimauro | hola alguien de Peru |
| 22:51.16 | unimauro | Hi. Somebody from Peru |
| 22:51.38 | summatusmentis | unimauro: I don't know of anyone from peru, sorry |
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| 22:52.08 | unimauro | summatusmentis, Are you from Indian ? |
| 22:52.33 | homunq | unimauro: hpachas-PE no está. Qué hay? |
| 22:52.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | unimauro, more likely, that's Latin, not Indian :) |
| 22:52.53 | pedronveloso | Im such a noob :P. I get it now, I was signed in but I was seeing the list not from clicking "Submit your Student Proposal", but got to the list from an external link, so it was a similar, but diferent page |
| 22:53.02 | pedronveloso | got it now, thank you |
| 22:53.09 | unimauro | homunq eres de Peru ? |
| 22:53.18 | unimauro | no :( |
| 22:53.24 | homunq | no, Guatemala |
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| 22:55.01 | spectie | woah |
| 22:55.03 | summatusmentis | homunq: where was the gsoc spanish channel? |
| 22:55.13 | unimauro | :D |
| 22:55.19 | spectie | hay un canal para gsoqueros hispanohablantes ? |
| 22:55.27 | penyaskito | spectie, spanish-gsoc |
| 22:55.33 | spectie | haha |
| 22:55.42 | spectie | solo hay yo y homunq |
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| 22:59.20 | homunq | unimauro, what was your question, anyway? |
| 23:00.00 | unimauro | homunq, nothing :D only ask :D |
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| 23:06.09 | til- | hi, quick question, is it possible to be a student and a mentor at the same time? |
| 23:06.23 | til- | i already registered as a student and i'm also mentoring a project |
| 23:06.28 | Mek | you can't participate in gsoc as both a student and a mentor, no |
| 23:06.30 | SRabbelier | til-: quick answer, read the faq |
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| 23:06.33 | SRabbelier | !faq |
| 23:06.33 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 23:06.43 | penyaskito | til-, no |
| 23:06.43 | BCarlyon | !lh |
| 23:06.44 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Lighthearted Hippy, or (#2) Lady Hawthorn, or (#3) a zen experience to be hugged by!, or (#4) LOVE!, or (#5) lovingly happy, or (#6) free as in freedom!, or (#7) Loathes Harkonnen, or (#8) magic, or (#9) pillar of patience, or (#10) the most awesome woman to ever walk the earth, or (#11) superwoman with superhuman powers, or (#12) living human |
| 23:07.09 | til- | thanks |
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| 23:07.43 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe, lighthearted hippy (-8 |
| 23:08.06 | SRabbelier | ThomasWaldmann: gah, your upside-down smiley makes my head asplode |
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| 23:08.28 | straydawg | kerplode ;) |
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| 23:08.42 | SRabbelier | straydawg: ? |
| 23:09.01 | SRabbelier | nvm |
| 23:09.02 | SRabbelier | got it :P |
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| 23:11.51 | SRabbelier | is off to bed |
| 23:12.05 | SRabbelier | you guys take care of socghop.appspot.com for a while ;) |
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| 23:20.01 | victorc | hello! is there any mentor for the Joomla project here available? |
| 23:20.27 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 23:20.28 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. Try searching for the org's contact info or even just try a /join #<mentoring org here> |
| 23:21.40 | grwi | the bot is very well trained : ) |
| 23:23.23 | ojwb | that answer could be improved actually |
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| 23:24.13 | grwi | i'm curious how ? |
| 23:24.36 | ojwb | socinfo: forget anyone |
| 23:24.36 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 23:26.07 | ojwb | socinfo: learn anyone as Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 23:26.08 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 23:27.02 | ojwb | since that will have the correct IRC channel name and network (if there is one) and mailing list/forum/etc details |
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| 23:27.14 | grwi | yes, that is better |
| 23:27.30 | ojwb | #swig on freenode isn't the swig project in gsoc, for example |
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| 23:30.22 | Wofl_ | hey, is there any objection to me sending out my current draft of my proposal to the mailing list to get some feedback? |
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| 23:31.16 | grwi | the mailing list of your org ? |
| 23:31.33 | grwi | i did something even more horrible than just sending a draft : ) |
| 23:31.59 | Wofl_ | i was thinking about sending it to the organisations mailing list as well as the global one to get some feedback from people not involved with the program on what to clarify |
| 23:32.28 | pavelo | grwi: what? |
| 23:32.37 | grwi | pavelo, it a secret :P |
| 23:32.57 | pavelo | :P |
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| 23:34.25 | Wofl_ | so there is no rules i might be breaking, and its not just a plainout terrible idea? |
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| 23:35.04 | ojwb | Wofl_: certainly projects aren't going to mind |
| 23:35.09 | grwi | such rules would be just stupid, especially when collaboration between students is allowed : ) |
| 23:35.16 | ojwb | you can get feedback in the webapp, but only from mentors |
| 23:35.25 | ojwb | i don't know about the global list |
| 23:35.40 | ojwb | it might get out of hand if 7000 applications were sent to that list... |
| 23:35.46 | Landon | Wofl_: it's better even if you publicize your idea |
| 23:35.54 | ojwb | and then 3000 people commented on each of them |
| 23:35.55 | Landon | if it's one of the suggested projects |
| 23:35.57 | ojwb | and ... |
| 23:36.02 | grwi | Wofl_, you'll also be able to edit your proposal, mayby until the deadline |
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| 23:37.22 | Wofl_ | so you think it might not be a good idea |
| 23:38.09 | grwi | actually, i've sent a preview to a guy who'll probably be my mentor, on his private mail |
| 23:38.32 | grwi | and i got a good feedback : ) |
| 23:38.53 | cookie | i was thinking it would be a bad idea to email to their private email |
| 23:38.54 | ojwb | Wofl_: sending it to the projects list seems a good idea to me |
| 23:39.04 | grwi | and i re-edited it to be a little better ; ) |
| 23:39.11 | Landon | that way other students know what is "taken" as well |
| 23:39.12 | ojwb | sending it to the global list I'm less sure about |
| 23:39.30 | Wofl_ | so the projects, but not the global one? |
| 23:39.43 | ojwb | that's what I'd suggest |
| 23:39.48 | grwi | i agree too |
| 23:39.58 | Wofl_ | ok, good deal, thanks guys. |
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| 23:40.05 | ojwb | but I don't know what's regarded as ok for the global list |
| 23:40.12 | ojwb | I assume you mean the gsoc student list? |
| 23:40.56 | ojwb | cookie: most projects will prefer communication in the open |
| 23:41.15 | ojwb | it means other people can comment, or answer instead if the other person isn't around |
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| 23:41.18 | ojwb | and there's an archive |
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| 23:42.06 | grwi | and if the goal is to come with a good idea, you can steal a little of other's proposal and make it better... : ) |
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| 23:42.23 | ojwb | which is very handy for working out why design decisions were made later |
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| 23:58.02 | dhoss | howdy all, anyone have any example GSOC applications I could take a look at? |
| 23:58.15 | dhoss | i'd like to see something to see where to start |