| 00:00.10 | ojwb | palko: make your mind up! |
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| 00:05.31 | antarus | ummm |
| 00:05.32 | antarus | wow |
| 00:05.41 | Fou_Fou | wow? |
| 00:06.22 | antarus | nick change guy |
| 00:08.10 | pcmattman | would my chances at getting a proposal accepted be reduced at all by the fact that i didn't know about SoC until yesterday, and as such haven't been able to talk to the orgs in depth? |
| 00:09.19 | anothy_x | not directly, anyway. there's still time. |
| 00:09.54 | ojwb | get talking to them as soon as you can |
| 00:09.54 | anothy_x | you're evaluated (primarily, at least) on the quality of your application (and things like whether the org's interested in the actual idea or not). |
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| 00:10.41 | bitsweat | nepotism and bribes could work too, pcmattman |
| 00:10.46 | pcmattman | :/ |
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| 00:11.32 | ojwb | the main factor is that discussing the application with the org and improving it in response to feedback makes a better application |
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| 00:11.43 | ojwb | but if you get on with it, there's still time |
| 00:11.51 | pcmattman | i thought so |
| 00:11.53 | bitsweat | definitely, apply soon and get feedback |
| 00:11.55 | ojwb | you can update applications after april 3rd |
| 00:12.06 | bitsweat | really? didn't know that |
| 00:12.13 | bitsweat | not much of a deadline then |
| 00:12.24 | anothy_x | er, didn't someone (lh?) say you couldn't, just a few hours ago? |
| 00:12.24 | ojwb | but if you submit a blank form just to get in the door, most orgs will just mark it ineligible |
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| 00:12.39 | pcmattman | a blank form? |
| 00:12.39 | anothy_x | i thought it was updates no, comments yes. |
| 00:12.45 | ojwb | well, you could last year |
| 00:12.55 | ojwb | and I understood you could this year too |
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| 00:13.29 | anothy_x | i'm pretty sure someone authoritative said otherwise. anyone recall where the logs are kept? |
| 00:13.33 | anothy_x | !logs |
| 00:13.33 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 00:13.51 | ojwb | it certainly says "mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant" |
| 00:13.58 | lh | anothy_x: what's up? |
| 00:14.09 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. does one need anything from the university itself in order to prove that he's a student? |
| 00:14.15 | bitsweat | a transcript perhaps? |
| 00:14.30 | anothy_x | ah, great. student apps may not be edited, but may be commented on, after the deadline, correct? |
| 00:14.35 | the9a3eedi | bitsweat, hmm.. better request for a transcript asap then o_O |
| 00:14.52 | anothy_x | (by the student) |
| 00:15.04 | bitsweat | the9a3eedi: check the FAQ first |
| 00:15.53 | caden|atwork | i dont' think anything like a transcript ahs to be part of the submission |
| 00:16.01 | caden|atwork | i mean, i submitted a proposal and there was nothing liek that |
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| 00:16.10 | bitsweat | "You should be prepared, upon request, to provide Google with transcripts or other documentation from your accredited institution as proof of enrollment or admission status." |
| 00:16.11 | ojwb | you'll be asked if accepted |
| 00:16.16 | ojwb | not before |
| 00:16.16 | caden|atwork | you might need to provide one later |
| 00:16.28 | bitsweat | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 00:16.29 | nixbox | if an organization has multiple project ideas under different categories, and if each one of those ideas gets atleast one student application, then the number of slots alloted to the organization will be equal to the number of ideas? |
| 00:16.52 | ojwb | don't rely on it... |
| 00:16.55 | bitsweat | see the FAQ on slot allocation, nixbox |
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| 00:17.09 | caden|atwork | can we request a big bar of chocolate instead of the t-shirt? |
| 00:17.10 | bitsweat | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 00:17.20 | caden|atwork | t-shirt sized? |
| 00:17.22 | anothy_x | okay, found lh's earlier statement (13:26 EDT): |
| 00:17.30 | anothy_x | "no edits post deadline, comments are enabled." |
| 00:17.33 | ojwb | caden|atwork: you can request anything you like... |
| 00:17.37 | ojwb | ah, ok |
| 00:17.43 | lh | anothy_x: yay! |
| 00:17.44 | caden|atwork | gives the thumbs up |
| 00:18.02 | ojwb | but you may be disappointed |
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| 00:18.27 | caden|atwork | fair enough |
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| 00:39.56 | caden|atwork | why so quiet? seems like with the deadline approaching it should be hopping in here |
| 00:40.26 | rwcr | The deadline's still four days away, plenty of time for people to procrastinate :-) |
| 00:40.27 | brlcad | caden|atwork: they're all busy working on applications for BRL-cAD ;) |
| 00:41.18 | caden|atwork | hmmm--- i didn't know htat brlcad was also a person |
| 00:42.00 | caden|atwork | is there a brl-cad gallery i can look at somewhere? |
| 00:42.16 | caden|atwork | 3d is not my forte but i like a good rendering |
| 00:42.33 | brlcad | caden|atwork: you mean like http://brlcad.org/gallery/ ? |
| 00:43.02 | caden|atwork | hah! exactly like that! |
| 00:43.09 | brlcad | most of the more interesting stuff is under renderings |
| 00:43.15 | caden|atwork | well, like the renderings part anyway.... these photographs are too low-tech |
| 00:43.28 | brlcad | needs to get someone to upgrade that gallery install.. |
| 00:43.49 | caden|atwork | i've never seen a 3d mandelbrot before |
| 00:43.50 | caden|atwork | that's wild |
| 00:44.07 | brlcad | it's a sphere flake |
| 00:44.18 | caden|atwork | regressing infinitely? |
| 00:44.27 | caden|atwork | not a mandelbrot |
| 00:44.30 | caden|atwork | still looks cool thought |
| 00:44.44 | caden|atwork | s/ought/ough/ |
| 00:44.55 | ojwb | bit of a tank obsession there |
| 00:45.13 | brlcad | yeah, not a mandelbrot, recursively reducing for as many levels as you specify |
| 00:45.38 | caden|atwork | yes.... lots of military hardware... i'll get worried when they start uploading all of the gun renderings |
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| 00:46.07 | brlcad | course to recurse to just 7 levels or so requires something like 1TB of disk because of the non-linearity |
| 00:46.25 | caden|atwork | O_O |
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| 00:47.19 | caden|atwork | how hard is it to learn this program as an enduser? |
| 00:47.33 | brlcad | caden|atwork: that's part of the package's heritage -- it's was historically funded by the us govt to model tanks and such to figure out how to make them more safe |
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| 00:48.10 | brlcad | caden|atwork: as hard as any other commercial cad system -- there's a lot you have to know to be productive, steep learning curve, but LOTS of documentation |
| 00:48.16 | caden|atwork | ahh |
| 00:48.45 | brlcad | not the same category as content modelers like blender where they don't focus on engineering/analysis modeling requirements, fidelity, correctness, etc |
| 00:48.54 | caden|atwork | right |
| 00:49.18 | caden|atwork | is it GUI based, with shape manipulation, or do you primarily create data files of points and lines and stuff |
| 00:49.26 | caden|atwork | it has been awhile since i looked at a CAD program |
| 00:49.33 | caden|atwork | i looked at 3D studio max like 10 years ago |
| 00:50.02 | brlcad | about as much overlap as 3D Studio with CATIA (i.e., pretty much no domain overlap other than 'yeah, they both do some form of modeling') |
| 00:50.11 | caden|atwork | hahah |
| 00:50.23 | caden|atwork | i demand more renderings |
| 00:50.41 | caden|atwork | the one that says it took 5 days at the bottom is really nice |
| 00:51.04 | brlcad | it's got a GUI, a very powerful command interface, and lots of utilities developed in a unix-style of making small tools that perform specific tasks |
| 00:51.34 | brlcad | like convert from geometry format A to B, perform signal processing on this data file, display this image, etc |
| 00:51.55 | caden|atwork | cool |
| 00:51.58 | brlcad | that's a bit misleading too -- it's a full reallistic light simulation |
| 00:52.57 | brlcad | and every blade of grass and every leaf is actually modeled, and every nut/bolt and wire and interior component is inside the vehicle too |
| 00:53.05 | caden|atwork | whoa |
| 00:53.14 | caden|atwork | do you know what year it was when they did that? |
| 00:53.18 | caden|atwork | i wonder what the processors were |
| 00:53.29 | brlcad | oh, it's on the image |
| 00:53.38 | brlcad | about 5 years ago iirc, tiny lil cluster |
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| 00:54.00 | brlcad | it could be done today in about an hour |
| 00:54.14 | brlcad | (with similar cpu counts) |
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| 00:54.22 | caden|atwork | nice |
| 00:54.53 | caden|atwork | how did they do this puget sound one? |
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| 00:55.10 | brlcad | what do you mean 'how'? |
| 00:55.22 | brlcad | loaded up the data set and render it, takes just a few seconds |
| 00:55.34 | caden|atwork | so they collected the data with sonar? |
| 00:55.55 | brlcad | oh, no -- that's a standard terrain data set you can get |
| 00:56.00 | brlcad | very high resolution |
| 00:56.03 | caden|atwork | ahh |
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| 00:56.31 | brlcad | that image actually has the height values scaled like 10x for visual effect .. puget sound is more like gently rolling hills :) |
| 00:56.39 | caden|atwork | nice |
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| 00:58.28 | caden|atwork | the getting started faq doesn't include the two key questions "what does brl stand for" and "why a moose" |
| 00:58.33 | brlcad | is surprised that our application count is as low as it is, very nice odds for the students that have applied thusfar |
| 00:58.37 | astrocub | anyone know how to prevent others from seeing what other google groups mailing list you posted to? |
| 00:58.47 | brlcad | caden|atwork: heh, I'll be sure to add it |
| 00:58.49 | caden|atwork | post to them separately |
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| 00:58.55 | astrocub | iow, i don't want others seeing my recent activity |
| 00:58.56 | caden|atwork | it's more polite not to cross-post anyway |
| 00:59.14 | caden|atwork | probably the cad thing is a bit intimidating |
| 00:59.14 | brlcad | BRL was a famous research laboratory where BRL-CAD started .. the Ballistic Research Laboratory |
| 00:59.29 | caden|atwork | i know what little graphics exposure i've had has been more like gaming, opengl type stuff |
| 00:59.29 | astrocub | i'm not cross-posting, but when others click on my groups profile, they can see everything i've sent, and i don't quite like that :) |
| 00:59.38 | brlcad | the package was started by a guy named Mike Muuss -- the same guy that wrong the "ping" network tool |
| 00:59.47 | caden|atwork | NICE |
| 00:59.51 | caden|atwork | muuuuss |
| 00:59.51 | brlcad | Muuss is pronounced "moose" |
| 00:59.52 | ojwb | create an alias for every group? |
| 01:00.03 | ojwb | or realise that your life will be datamined anyway |
| 01:00.06 | astrocub | yeah, thought about that |
| 01:00.17 | caden|atwork | oh i see they click on you and see your whole cross-group history |
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| 01:00.25 | caden|atwork | that is a bit lame |
| 01:00.27 | astrocub | yup |
| 01:00.39 | caden|atwork | i'm going to click on yours now and do creepy things while i look at it |
| 01:00.41 | caden|atwork | just kidding |
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| 01:00.44 | astrocub | :P |
| 01:00.46 | brlcad | being cad might be intimidating but our folks certainly aren't -- we're mostly all rather huggable ;) |
| 01:00.49 | astrocub | gl finding me ;) |
| 01:00.51 | caden|atwork | hee hee |
| 01:00.58 | astrocub | brlcad ftw! |
| 01:01.00 | brlcad | we had a lot more apps last year by now, just slow start probably |
| 01:01.05 | andrecastelo | i agree |
| 01:01.06 | astrocub | would have loved to proposed something for you guys |
| 01:01.06 | ojwb | brlcad: there's bound to be a last minute rush of apps |
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| 01:01.13 | brlcad | probably |
| 01:01.16 | caden|atwork | astrocub: it's not too late |
| 01:01.26 | brlcad | not really worried, it's all good |
| 01:01.26 | caden|atwork | just give me your google groups email so i can discuss it with you... |
| 01:01.29 | andrecastelo | brlcad and ``Erik are awesome :D |
| 01:01.34 | caden|atwork | laughs evilly |
| 01:01.39 | astrocub | caden|atwork: i think you guys already have a few capable candidates from what i can tell |
| 01:01.57 | caden|atwork | i'm not a member of the project i just was curious about it, it looks really powerful |
| 01:01.58 | brlcad | astrocub: there's still time ;) |
| 01:02.00 | dhoclone_plan9 | not always about who is most capable. it's a learning experience as well. |
| 01:02.29 | astrocub | it's certainly a learning exp. for me |
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| 01:03.15 | astrocub | i'm now familiar with kde and the qt codebase, and am comfortable building kde |
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| 01:03.46 | astrocub | but there are many more capable people than myself, and i think the guys choosing apps will choose someone who can do more faster |
| 01:04.08 | brlcad | indeed, it's all about growing our communities -- growing and learning pains are expected ;) |
| 01:04.10 | astrocub | but my application sure looks pretty :) |
| 01:04.15 | brlcad | regardless of initial skill level |
| 01:05.08 | caden|atwork | astrocub: consensus seems to be everyone can see it: http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Groups-Basics/browse_thread/thread/795ad8d9de34324a |
| 01:05.14 | caden|atwork | and many people would like it to be otherwise |
| 01:07.07 | brlcad | astrocub: not necessarily |
| 01:08.06 | lim123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.11 | brlcad | I would easily pick someone who's passionate about coding and learning, about working with our project, that is easy to work with, and that can learn quickly over someone who is just simply a good coder (but lacking in some other regard) |
| 01:08.35 | brlcad | there are plenty of other orgs like that as well, it's fairly common |
| 01:09.07 | brlcad | most orgs aren't just looking to get some code out of you for the summer, they want someone interested in getting involved in that community permanently |
| 01:09.26 | ojwb | and to introduce new people to open source |
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| 01:09.53 | ojwb | so previous involvement with your own or other orgs is both good and bad |
| 01:10.30 | brlcad | depends on the org, but yeah |
| 01:10.44 | ojwb | yeah |
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| 01:13.27 | astrocub | thanks for the info guys |
| 01:13.29 | bitsweat | brlcad: definitely |
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| 01:17.58 | caden|atwork | !logs |
| 01:17.58 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 01:23.06 | The_PHP_Jedi | waves hello |
| 01:23.50 | summatusmentis | hi The_PHP_Jedi |
| 01:24.06 | The_PHP_Jedi | Sup summatusmentis? How you've been? |
| 01:24.08 | caden|atwork | drops a pin |
| 01:24.25 | dhoclone_plan9 | caden|atwork: Hello, Sprint. How may I help you? |
| 01:24.26 | anothy_x | didn't realize Muuss was involved. he and my mentor (now both RIP, sadly) used to have a rivalry over the login "mike" on various systems. |
| 01:24.41 | caden|atwork | dhoclone_plan9: nice. |
| 01:24.47 | dhoclone_plan9 | :) |
| 01:25.25 | brlcad | andrecastelo: really? who was that? |
| 01:25.44 | summatusmentis | The_PHP_Jedi: way too busy |
| 01:25.56 | brlcad | er, anothy_x .. really? who was that? |
| 01:25.59 | brlcad | sry andrecastelo :) |
| 01:26.12 | anothy_x | Michael Baldwin |
| 01:26.14 | The_PHP_Jedi | summatusmentis, understandable. :) |
| 01:26.19 | summatusmentis | ugh |
| 01:26.27 | caden|atwork | the unknown Baldwin brother |
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| 01:26.54 | anothy_x | i think they were at Hopkins at the same time, or close enough. |
| 01:27.07 | brlcad | has deep respect for the old hat wizards |
| 01:27.19 | brlcad | mike was phenomenal to work with |
| 01:27.30 | brlcad | ah yeah, hopkins would explain it :) |
| 01:28.34 | brlcad | probably both working on jhunix and the old vax |
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| 01:32.41 | b0le | are the foreign certification forms sorted out if/when our proposals get accepted? Or are we supposed to have the forms already (according to FAQ instructions should be sent to the private student ML, but I don't have access to that, so I presume that is only once one's proposal has been accepted) |
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| 01:34.44 | ojwb | if you mean proof that your a student, that's only required once you're accepted |
| 01:34.48 | ojwb | you're |
| 01:35.12 | b0le | no, I mean this: "For students based outside the United States, we will need a completed Foreign Certification form." |
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| 01:35.20 | ojwb | which saves a lot of unnecessary paperwork |
| 01:35.37 | monkey123 | Can you edit an student proposal |
| 01:35.41 | monkey123 | ? |
| 01:35.41 | ojwb | I don't know for sure, but would imagine that would be done afterwards too |
| 01:35.54 | ojwb | monkey123: the student can, up until april 3rd |
| 01:36.44 | monkey123 | How can i? i subitted one but I can't seem to figure out how to edit it |
| 01:37.08 | Upthorn | ojwb: that's also after you're accepted |
| 01:37.16 | Upthorn | they need it before they can give you any money |
| 01:37.48 | monkey123 | Nevermind i found it |
| 01:37.59 | Upthorn | err I mean |
| 01:38.00 | Upthorn | b0le |
| 01:38.02 | Upthorn | not ojwb |
| 01:39.10 | b0le | Upthorn: ojwb: ok, thanks |
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| 01:45.03 | djgrill | Hii guys!=D |
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| 01:49.49 | monkey123 | Can the orgranzations see the proposals before the due date? |
| 01:50.00 | ojwb | yes |
| 01:50.08 | monkey123 | ok |
| 01:50.10 | brlcad | they see it from the moment you submit it |
| 01:50.30 | ashishpaliwal | and they can comment on it |
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| 01:50.45 | ashishpaliwal | whic you might be able to c...might !! |
| 01:51.19 | djgrill | what?xD |
| 01:53.10 | djgrill | is anybody from the PSF!=D |
| 01:53.42 | caden|atwork | does anyone know what the context is of this presentation that was in the mailing list: http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf |
| 01:53.52 | caden|atwork | i am wondering if it was prepared specifically for GSoC |
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| 01:55.32 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 01:55.32 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 01:55.36 | ojwb | djgrill:^^ |
| 01:56.09 | caden|atwork | hi ojwb, i know i've asked this before, but is there a way to get the bot to list all of the ! commands it understands? as far as i know there's not |
| 01:56.31 | djgrill | hiii ojwb!=D are you from PSF |
| 01:56.33 | djgrill | ?=) |
| 01:56.41 | ojwb | caden|atwork: not that I know of |
| 01:56.45 | caden|atwork | fair enough |
| 01:57.00 | caden|atwork | djgrill, he means look at that link to the list |
| 01:57.03 | ojwb | djgrill: no - read what socinfo said and do that to find them |
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| 02:13.00 | anothy_x | i think that proposal's pretty bad, actually. |
| 02:13.12 | anothy_x | "Never make your own decisions!" really? |
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| 02:14.00 | caden|atwork | what proposal? |
| 02:14.07 | caden|atwork | i seem to have missed something |
| 02:14.21 | caden|atwork | you mean the presentation i linked to? |
| 02:14.53 | caden|atwork | i think it's aimed at beginners who are not used to professional environments |
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| 02:16.20 | anothy_x | sorry, not proposal (apps on the brain). presentation. |
| 02:16.26 | anothy_x | yeah |
| 02:16.37 | caden|atwork | but i think there is another extreme where the mentee doesn't make ANY decisions for themselves... like "should i use textpad or notepad" ? who cares? |
| 02:17.09 | higer | can anyone tell me how to submit my proposal? |
| 02:17.55 | thiagoss | !faq |
| 02:17.55 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 02:18.59 | higer | ok thanks |
| 02:19.07 | caden|atwork | higer: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google+summer+of+code+student+user%27s+guide+submit+proposal |
| 02:20.47 | Upthorn | caden: 1) thiagoss beat you to it, and 2) it's easy to see how he wouldn't think of that google query from his question, so lmgtfy is a bit uncalled for |
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| 02:21.44 | caden|atwork | Upthorn: i thought it was more relevant because the result is closer to what he wanted than the faq thiagoss posted |
| 02:22.39 | Upthorn | fair enough, but I think you could have linked directly to the guide without being insulting about it. |
| 02:22.55 | caden|atwork | lmgtfy is insulting? |
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| 02:23.11 | caden|atwork | i was just reading through the mailing lists and there are lots of "RTFM" responses |
| 02:23.14 | caden|atwork | i think that that's insulting |
| 02:23.29 | caden|atwork | i dont' think sharing a good google query is insulting |
| 02:23.54 | caden|atwork | i learned about lmgtfy by watching someone use it in this channel, i'd never heard of it before |
| 02:24.34 | Upthorn | eh, I think of lmgtfy as being like "you should just have googled for this instead of wasting my time" |
| 02:24.46 | caden|atwork | fair enought |
| 02:24.49 | caden|atwork | but !faq is like that too |
| 02:24.59 | caden|atwork | "so many people ask your stupid question that we made a macro for it" |
| 02:25.08 | Upthorn | not necessarily. |
| 02:25.20 | caden|atwork | i think the perception is subjective |
| 02:25.23 | Upthorn | because the question doesn't have to be stupid for lots of people to ask it |
| 02:25.29 | Upthorn | opposite infact |
| 02:25.36 | Upthorn | but yeah perception is subjective |
| 02:25.51 | caden|atwork | it's also a less helpful answer because it doesn't go to the answer of the question, it goes to a whole bunch of questions |
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| 02:26.10 | Upthorn | true |
| 02:26.12 | caden|atwork | i agree that a quesiton isn't stupid because lots of people ask it |
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| 02:26.25 | chelz | well ideally someone should only invoke something like !faq if the question being asked is on it |
| 02:26.29 | chelz | otherwise it is useless |
| 02:26.29 | caden|atwork | but typing !faq instead of talking directly to the asker is a bit obnoxious |
| 02:26.46 | chelz | it saves time if the answer is actually there |
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| 02:28.27 | ojwb | asking a question without having read the faq is a bit obnoxious too |
| 02:28.46 | caden|atwork | that's true |
| 02:28.49 | higer | Can I apply to join a organization now? |
| 02:29.16 | summatusmentis | ojwb: I'm mostly ok with saying "see the FAQ" and then triggering it |
| 02:29.25 | summatusmentis | gives it a personal touch |
| 02:29.42 | Upthorn | higer: yes, this is currently the student application period |
| 02:29.45 | caden|atwork | that's a bit nicer |
| 02:30.09 | Upthorn | once you have created a site profile, and registered as a student, you can begin applying to organizations |
| 02:32.18 | higer | Upthorn: I'm editing my student application, but an error "Enter a valid date. " occured. Then what's the correct format of birth date? |
| 02:32.44 | caden|atwork | it's the U.S. format so make sure you do month-day-year |
| 02:32.53 | higer | give me an example |
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| 02:33.39 | caden|atwork | let me pull up mine... but if if you entered, say 25-12-1970 it would give an error, it shouold be 12-25-1970 for christmas |
| 02:33.45 | caden|atwork | i think that's causing some people problems |
| 02:34.56 | Upthorn | yeah, most other countries do either dd-mm-yyyy or yyyy-mm-dd |
| 02:34.56 | caden|atwork | ok i'm looking at it now, it should be the format 1970-12-25 like YYYY-MM-DD |
| 02:35.08 | caden|atwork | at least that should work |
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| 02:35.54 | higer | 6-17-1984? |
| 02:36.06 | caden|atwork | try 1984-06-17 |
| 02:37.24 | higer | is that correct? |
| 02:37.24 | higer | it still tells me wrong |
| 02:37.48 | caden|atwork | well, i can tell you that's the exact same format i have in my profile |
| 02:38.06 | higer | ok,thank you . it's working now |
| 02:38.08 | caden|atwork | do you have javascript disabled? because it does pop up a calendar |
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| 02:38.55 | higer | no |
| 02:39.06 | higer | I does not disable javascript |
| 02:39.18 | caden|atwork | did it pop up a calendar when you clicked in the date blank? |
| 02:39.45 | higer | no |
| 02:39.52 | caden|atwork | i guess it doesn't matter if it accepts the date |
| 02:39.52 | higer | nothing happen |
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| 02:40.11 | higer | my browser is ie7 |
| 02:40.43 | caden|atwork | im using firefox |
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| 02:41.26 | caden|atwork | ahh |
| 02:41.38 | caden|atwork | i just tried it in ie, the pop-up calendar gives a javascript error |
| 02:41.51 | caden|atwork | but if it lets you type in the date and submit, i think it is probably ok |
| 02:41.51 | higer | but I found that the ie reports some errors when editing this page |
| 02:42.22 | caden|atwork | if you can use firefox it doesn't seem to have the error |
| 02:42.26 | caden|atwork | i'm using firefox 3 |
| 02:42.56 | higer | hum, ok now. thank you. |
| 02:43.04 | caden|atwork | good! |
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| 03:52.30 | andrecastelo | can we students edit the proposal once they are sent? |
| 03:52.35 | hypa7ia | yes |
| 03:52.41 | andrecastelo | is it the same way last year, only after a review? |
| 03:53.03 | ojwb | it doesn;'t seem to require a review |
| 03:53.05 | summatusmentis | nope |
| 03:53.09 | summatusmentis | no review necessary |
| 03:53.13 | andrecastelo | nice :) |
| 03:53.14 | andrecastelo | also, can we still edit the proposal after the application deadline, april 3rd? |
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| 03:53.24 | ojwb | no, just comments then apparently |
| 03:53.26 | summatusmentis | that I don't believe so |
| 03:53.40 | alanp | I thought that the deadline had been extended? |
| 03:53.47 | andrecastelo | it was??? |
| 03:53.48 | Landon | heh |
| 03:53.49 | summatusmentis | alanp: not that I've heard |
| 03:53.50 | Landon | not yet this year ;) |
| 03:53.55 | Landon | if at all |
| 03:53.57 | summatusmentis | Landon: +1 |
| 03:54.14 | andrecastelo | i don't think it will, last year we got only one week |
| 03:54.14 | alanp | Strange, I must have dreamt it. |
| 03:54.16 | ojwb | lots of students keep saying they've heard that, but the rumours are groundless AFAIK |
| 03:54.24 | andrecastelo | we've got two this year |
| 03:54.38 | ojwb | yeah, that's why it got extended last year |
| 03:54.54 | ojwb | the timeline was tweaked and it reduced the number of apps |
| 03:55.02 | summatusmentis | although, everyone seems to be reporting lower numbers overall |
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| 03:55.13 | andrecastelo | i wonder why o.O |
| 03:55.32 | monkey123 | Are the odds pretty high of being accepted? |
| 03:55.47 | summatusmentis | monkey123: odds are hard to answer |
| 03:55.59 | ojwb | last year there were ~7000 applications from ~3000 students for 1125 places |
| 03:56.01 | andrecastelo | I guess it is harder to be accepted this year |
| 03:56.07 | ojwb | 1000 places this year |
| 03:56.14 | ojwb | we don't yet know the other figures |
| 03:56.14 | monkey123 | isee |
| 03:56.28 | ojwb | but a lot of those 7000 apps are really poor |
| 03:57.17 | ojwb | if you can find a project which you've suitable skills for and are enthusiastic about, and write a good application for it, you've a pretty good chance I reckon |
| 03:57.31 | summatusmentis | and ultimately, only ~3000 students, they're not gonna accept multiple apps for each student, obviously |
| 03:57.38 | ojwb | indeed |
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| 03:57.52 | ojwb | so the "random" odds last year were about 1 in 3 |
| 03:57.52 | summatusmentis | so yes, 7000 is big, but it's really only 3000 |
| 03:57.57 | andrecastelo | I've been massacrated this year, school final terms conflicted with gsoc's timeline :( |
| 03:58.10 | summatusmentis | andrecastelo: there are ways around that |
| 03:59.02 | andrecastelo | i am completely free from tomorrow on |
| 03:59.15 | andrecastelo | and my application still needs work |
| 03:59.19 | ojwb | you've got a busy couple of days then! |
| 03:59.31 | andrecastelo | yeah |
| 04:00.00 | andrecastelo | at least I've been writing patches for the org I want to apply to |
| 04:00.13 | ojwb | but then most of the applications we've had need more work, so you aren't alone |
| 04:03.15 | andrecastelo | ojwb: what's your organization? |
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| 04:03.42 | ojwb | swig |
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| 04:04.34 | irahul | !next |
| 04:04.34 | socinfo | "next" is Student application period has now started, and runs until April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 04:05.53 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next |
| 04:05.53 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:06.01 | andrecastelo | ;O |
| 04:06.06 | andrecastelo | !next |
| 04:06.06 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 04:06.17 | ojwb | socinfo: learn next as Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 04:06.18 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:08.17 | andrecastelo | ojwb: do you think chances are greater when a student writes patches? or do you think orgs try to be impartial and judge the applications only? |
| 04:08.41 | Landon | I think it improves your odds |
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| 04:08.48 | Landon | shows that you're getting to know the project already |
| 04:08.58 | jasebo | adnrecastelo: we will be treating the applications impartially, but anywhere we see examples of someones work will help |
| 04:09.09 | jasebo | two student applications that are exactly as good as each other.. how will we choose? |
| 04:09.24 | antarus | jasebo: flip a coinc ;) |
| 04:09.26 | antarus | er coin* |
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| 04:09.35 | ojwb | patches certainly help |
| 04:09.39 | werdna | flip a conic? |
| 04:09.43 | ojwb | I don't think it's about being impartial or not |
| 04:09.45 | jasebo | lol |
| 04:09.45 | werdna | what value of e? |
| 04:10.05 | Landon | werdna: s/heads and tails/bases and sides/ |
| 04:10.25 | jasebo | if two applications are equally good, and one of them has been submitting patches, or chatting to developers on IRC |
| 04:10.32 | jasebo | that second one will have an advantage |
| 04:11.02 | jasebo | ojwb: we're very partial :-) We want the best students |
| 04:11.10 | ojwb | more than that, I'd be hesitant to accept an application if the submitter hadn't interacted |
| 04:11.24 | ojwb | it's hard to mentor someone who won't interact |
| 04:12.31 | ojwb | some students don't realise this, and need prompting, but if you comment on their application and get no response, it's hard to believe they'll succeed in 3 months time |
| 04:13.49 | summatusmentis | ojwb: you sound like the people in #openafs :) |
| 04:14.31 | ojwb | they're clear sensible intelligent people then! |
| 04:14.51 | summatusmentis | haha :) |
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| 04:25.45 | hypa7ia | we're lucky in that everyone who's applied has interacted with our org already |
| 04:25.54 | hypa7ia | even if it's just an email or two |
| 04:26.02 | jasebo | we've had a few where there's been no interaction |
| 04:26.17 | jasebo | and the applications were awful! |
| 04:26.22 | summatusmentis | I think it doesn't even cross people's minds |
| 04:26.27 | jasebo | thankfully the others are much better |
| 04:26.45 | summatusmentis | I think people are used to the "apply for a job" thing |
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| 04:29.55 | hackaugusto | Is the age limit some kind of law issue? |
| 04:30.03 | Landon | indeed |
| 04:30.51 | summatusmentis | hypothetically, if leslie adopted every possible underage gsoc student, then they could work for google |
| 04:30.57 | summatusmentis | or get paid by google, or whatever |
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| 04:32.31 | pcmattman | do they accept unusual cases? |
| 04:32.49 | hackaugusto | err, sorry, what is a leslie? |
| 04:33.04 | Landon | !lh |
| 04:33.04 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Lighthearted Hippy, or (#2) Lady Hawthorn, or (#3) a zen experience to be hugged by!, or (#4) LOVE!, or (#5) lovingly happy, or (#6) free as in freedom!, or (#7) Loathes Harkonnen, or (#8) magic, or (#9) pillar of patience, or (#10) the most awesome woman to ever walk the earth, or (#11) superwoman with superhuman powers, or (#12) living human |
| 04:33.17 | Landon | I like how none of the entries say leslie |
| 04:33.25 | summatusmentis | haha, sorry |
| 04:33.27 | summatusmentis | yeah, lh |
| 04:33.55 | disismt | Lighthearted Hippy no 1 |
| 04:34.23 | pcmattman | so it's a law issue - what about non-US students? |
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| 04:35.21 | summatusmentis | pcmattman: there are weird laws about hiring 'minors' in the US |
| 04:35.26 | ojwb | you have to be over 18 on april 20th |
| 04:35.30 | ojwb | it's not negotiable |
| 04:35.37 | summatusmentis | and non-US students don't affect it, because Google is a US company |
| 04:35.44 | pcmattman | right, thought so |
| 04:35.51 | ojwb | it's possible to mentor if you're younger, though there are some hoops to go through apparently |
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| 04:36.17 | summatusmentis | again, presumably related to 'working' |
| 04:36.24 | ojwb | and you can still contribute to open source projects, just not under the auspices of google |
| 04:36.29 | summatusmentis | right |
| 04:36.40 | ojwb | doesn't know - lh just said there were to someone who was interested |
| 04:36.47 | ojwb | but I'd guess so |
| 04:36.56 | ojwb | or perhaps parental consent is needed |
| 04:37.02 | summatusmentis | at least so long as the projects don't become corporations |
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| 04:37.08 | summatusmentis | you don't know what? |
| 04:37.16 | ojwb | well, mentors aren't necessarily paid |
| 04:37.24 | ojwb | it's up to the org what they do with the $500 |
| 04:37.40 | summatusmentis | granted, but I'm sure there's some weird law |
| 04:37.44 | ojwb | doesn't know if it's related to working |
| 04:38.34 | ojwb | these "hoops" |
| 04:38.34 | summatusmentis | I would guess it is, but I don't know what they are either |
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| 04:38.47 | hackaugusto | well, i think i have to stay bored at the college in this case |
| 04:39.12 | summatusmentis | hackaugusto: you're under 18? |
| 04:39.22 | hackaugusto | yep |
| 04:40.07 | summatusmentis | c'est la vie :( |
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| 05:21.24 | Mkop2 | !orgbycat |
| 05:21.24 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 05:22.14 | werdna | I read that as orgy cat. |
| 05:23.01 | Toba | that's a bit disturbating. |
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| 05:35.44 | r0bby | werdna: that's scary |
| 05:35.56 | r0bby | Mkop2: thought you were sticking w/ openmrs? |
| 05:36.47 | Mkop2 | r0bby: you weren't supposed to be in here... :-P |
| 05:37.14 | r0bby | Mkop2: I've been here for the past year. |
| 05:37.15 | Mkop2 | I figured it's worth exploring options |
| 05:37.19 | Mkop2 | lol |
| 05:37.27 | r0bby | tells everybody! |
| 05:41.05 | Mkop2 | what are you telling everyone? |
| 05:41.10 | Mkop2 | oh, ok, nm |
| 05:41.32 | Mkop2 | as long as you tell the people here and not the people in #openmrs |
| 05:41.37 | Mkop2 | and everyone there is asleep already |
| 05:41.47 | Landon | don't tell the mailing list |
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| 05:41.58 | Mkop2 | and you'll look like a fool if you announce it so that they'll see it in the morning |
| 05:41.59 | Landon | :P |
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| 05:45.56 | r0bby | Mkop2: I dont have a death wish |
| 05:45.59 | r0bby | I want soc this year |
| 05:46.04 | r0bby | BADLY |
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| 05:48.14 | timClicks1 | which project are you working on? |
| 05:48.30 | Mkop2 | r0bby and I are both applying for openmrs |
| 05:48.41 | Mkop2 | he's not saying which project within openmrs he's applying for |
| 05:48.50 | Landon | hehe |
| 05:48.50 | timClicks1 | ah, i see |
| 05:48.55 | Landon | that's not the OSS attitude! |
| 05:49.09 | r0bby | Only a fool reveals what he's applying for :) |
| 05:49.13 | timClicks1 | lol |
| 05:49.24 | r0bby | Landon: You underestimate how badly i want tis. |
| 05:49.26 | r0bby | this* |
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| 05:49.38 | Landon | me too |
| 05:49.44 | Landon | I really want to play around with 3d stuffs |
| 05:49.47 | timClicks1 | have you guys heard about sahana? i wonder whether we could incorporate that kind of functionality |
| 05:49.59 | Landon | timClicks1: I think ajuonline has |
| 05:50.05 | r0bby | sahana yes |
| 05:50.18 | r0bby | ajuonline worked w/ them last year. |
| 05:50.46 | timClicks1 | mmhmm yeah, we know each othe |
| 05:50.49 | r0bby | Mkop2: I will tell you which project i'm not going for (I was going for it but realized i just didn't care enough) |
| 05:50.49 | timClicks1 | *other |
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| 05:51.00 | r0bby | Wysiwyg editor for the html form entry module. |
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| 05:51.44 | r0bby | Wysiwyg editor for the html form entry module. << not doing this. |
| 05:51.54 | r0bby | I withdrew my application for it tonight |
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| 05:52.34 | r0bby | I found out i didnt care |
| 05:52.40 | r0bby | and that's not good |
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| 05:53.48 | ajuonline | r0bby: and have been working, since then ;;) |
| 05:53.58 | ajuonline | r0bby: how goes the gsoc preps? |
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| 06:13.39 | r0bby | ajuonline: good |
| 06:13.44 | Landon | summatusmentis: ping |
| 06:13.47 | r0bby | typed up a plan and approach etc |
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| 06:14.56 | ecin | summatusmentis: active throughout all this time. That's good. :) |
| 06:15.34 | NicDumZ | r0bby, applying to mercurial ? |
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| 06:20.32 | b1ue | hello |
| 06:21.05 | b1ue | how can i apply to this programme? |
| 06:21.28 | Landon | !faq |
| 06:21.28 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 06:21.46 | Landon | you've got 3 days to write up an application :) |
| 06:21.52 | Landon | best to get started ASASP |
| 06:22.15 | b1ue | application or proposal? |
| 06:22.29 | Landon | I use the terms interchangeably |
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| 06:22.59 | b1ue | what kinds of application needed? |
| 06:23.14 | r0bby | b1ue: somewhat of a plan |
| 06:23.21 | r0bby | show how you'll approach the problem |
| 06:23.25 | r0bby | give them a timeline |
| 06:23.31 | Landon | tell them about yourself |
| 06:23.38 | r0bby | Tell them why they should pick you; and use their template mostly |
| 06:23.39 | r0bby | :) |
| 06:23.46 | r0bby | but seperately you should include what i said :) |
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| 06:24.53 | apaliwal | how to approach the problem and exact delivarables might not be clear at this point |
| 06:25.23 | b1ue | ic |
| 06:26.23 | r0bby | apaliwal: well, they specify deliverables |
| 06:26.25 | r0bby | (or should) |
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| 06:30.17 | apaliwal | exact timeline of deliverables is difficult to give at this point...I was adviced to give a tentative outline of work and remain open to new ideas and problem |
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| 06:30.39 | r0bby | I gave 2 week blocks to myself |
| 06:30.52 | r0bby | Most things shouldn't take that long; but it gives freedom to move |
| 06:31.01 | Mkop2 | r0bby: you also have experience from last year to know how long things take |
| 06:31.22 | r0bby | Mkop2: I was dealing w/ a whole different ball game |
| 06:31.29 | r0bby | (I was implementing a forms system) |
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| 06:31.40 | r0bby | this summer won't be nearly as complex |
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| 06:34.45 | r0bby | .js |
| 06:34.47 | r0bby | er |
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| 07:13.10 | irahul | !next |
| 07:13.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 07:13.22 | kblin | morning |
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| 07:14.34 | gaurav_hiiii | i think the limit of 500 is very less. |
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| 07:14.50 | gaurav_hiiii | in the abstract part |
| 07:15.02 | thiago_home | suggests gaurav_hiiii give some context about what he's talking about |
| 07:15.49 | gaurav_hiiii | In the gsoc webapp for students abstract isn't taking more than 500 chars |
| 07:16.33 | Ivanovic | this is meant to be an *abstract*, not a whole 20 pages paper |
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| 07:16.43 | Ivanovic | so 500 chars should work perfectly |
| 07:16.59 | smtms | gaurav_hiiii, you should try abstracting some details ;-) |
| 07:17.03 | Ivanovic | this should not be about you, just about "what do you roughly plan to do" |
| 07:20.12 | gaurav_hiiii | but last year it was being allowed |
| 07:20.32 | smtms | gaurav_hiiii, allowed what? |
| 07:20.48 | werdna | so they decideed it was a good improvement |
| 07:20.51 | smtms | gaurav_hiiii, why are you concerned about the abstract at all? |
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| 07:52.08 | anirudh | hi |
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| 07:52.29 | anirudh | hi submitted my application today |
| 07:52.36 | thiago | good |
| 07:52.49 | anirudh | till when can i edit it in webapp ? |
| 07:53.04 | anirudh | after 3rd aprill am i allowed to do that ? |
| 07:53.23 | nsm | no |
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| 07:53.33 | thiago | unless a mentor asks you to do so |
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| 07:53.53 | smtms | thiago, Leslie indicated that editing wouldn't be available even if mentors ask for it |
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| 07:54.10 | anirudh | ohhh |
| 07:54.46 | thiago | that's a regression from last year |
| 07:54.57 | thiago | did she mention whether it's intentional or just a temporary bug? |
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| 08:16.47 | Afraithe | Is there any way to know why ones organization application was rejected? |
| 08:17.00 | smtms | Afraithe, ask Leslie |
| 08:17.16 | smtms | Afraithe, I think no applications were rejected |
| 08:17.31 | smtms | Afraithe, some were simply not accepted, e.g. due to limited number of slots |
| 08:17.46 | liquidmetal | how exactly do you get to know |
| 08:17.50 | liquidmetal | if you not been accepted |
| 08:17.57 | smtms | liquidmetal, what's your question? |
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| 08:18.24 | Afraithe | We had setup a forum for ideas list, a user posted there and didn't find us in the accepted list, so i logged in and checked, and found out we where rejected. |
| 08:18.50 | smtms | Afraithe, you were not accepted |
| 08:19.21 | Afraithe | Well whatever you want to call it, it says "Rejected applications" where our document is listed :) |
| 08:19.33 | liquidmetal | :P |
| 08:20.00 | Afraithe | To bad, could have been a cool project. |
| 08:20.06 | Afraithe | Im a developer of TinyMCE by the way. |
| 08:20.11 | liquidmetal | afraithe: what was it about?? |
| 08:20.21 | liquidmetal | i mean.. the project.. |
| 08:20.32 | Afraithe | Building plugins for TinyMCE |
| 08:20.53 | Afraithe | google chart plugin, goole translation plugin and some other misc ideas |
| 08:21.15 | liquidmetal | "TinyMCE is a platform independent web based Javascript HTML WYSIWYG editor control released as Open Source under LGPL by Moxiecode Systems AB. |
| 08:21.18 | defc0n | gsoc page uses TinyMCE, isn't it? |
| 08:21.20 | liquidmetal | O.O |
| 08:21.25 | liquidmetal | great |
| 08:21.28 | liquidmetal | tinymce |
| 08:21.28 | fargiolas | !timeline |
| 08:21.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 08:24.26 | Afraithe | yes defc0n |
| 08:24.42 | defc0n | is there any notice about this? |
| 08:24.57 | defc0n | i mean.. at GSoC |
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| 08:25.46 | Afraithe | No idea, TinyMCE is used in a lot of places. |
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| 08:26.59 | defc0n | yeah, I use it too, but then i inform people about this. :) |
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| 08:28.18 | Afraithe | well if you are refering to license issues, i don't think u need to inform users unless they ask :) |
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| 08:30.16 | defc0n | google promotes open source, so they should give a message ;) |
| 08:30.24 | haoyu_ | Afraithe, I suggest you to take a look at #melange, they would be happy to take some tinymce related project if it can imporve GSoC's user experience |
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| 08:31.00 | haoyu_ | Afraithe, for example how about intergate TinyMCE with google docs? |
| 08:31.21 | defc0n | that's right.. if you support TInyMCE, you support Google. now let Google support you :) |
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| 08:33.23 | Afraithe | Will look into it Haoyu, but we might make a TinyMCE Summer of Code ourselves with cash prizes for best addons, it has been discussed before. |
| 08:33.34 | defc0n | Afraithe: don't give up! ;p |
| 08:33.37 | defc0n | bye |
| 08:33.39 | Afraithe | cya |
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| 08:39.04 | sohum | so guys, |
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| 08:39.04 | sohum | is there a reason gsoc has the over-18 age limit? |
| 08:39.33 | werdna | is lucky he turned 18 a few weeks ago, otherwise he wouldn't be able to mentor :) |
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| 08:40.26 | scorche | werdna: you can mentor if you are under 18 |
| 08:40.34 | cyberorg | sohum, minors can make contracts |
| 08:40.40 | scorche | sohum: it is a legal thing, as you will technically be working |
| 08:40.52 | cyberorg | *cant |
| 08:41.14 | werdna | scorche: oic :) |
| 08:41.45 | sohum | so is that a "working" restriction or a "contract" restriction? |
| 08:42.05 | sohum | because I'm in australia - minors are allowed to work here |
| 08:42.15 | Catfish_Man | sohum: it's still handled by US law |
| 08:42.17 | LawnGnome | sohum: Contract, I'd say. |
| 08:42.18 | scorche | sohum: all of the above? |
| 08:42.20 | Catfish_Man | since Google is a US-based company |
| 08:42.27 | scorche | and see Catfish_Man's response ;) |
| 08:43.02 | sohum | why wouldn't it run apply to the regulations of the country that the work is happening in? |
| 08:43.17 | Catfish_Man | beats me |
| 08:43.28 | Catfish_Man | just sayin' what I learned last time it was asked |
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| 08:44.47 | sohum | hmm |
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| 08:45.14 | sohum | is there anyone I can contact to get that requirement waived, on a special purpose basis? |
| 08:45.28 | Catfish_Man | highly unlikely, but feel free to ask LH I suppose |
| 08:45.33 | sohum | LH? |
| 08:45.42 | werdna | program big cheese |
| 08:45.47 | werdna | Louise somebody? |
| 08:45.53 | Catfish_Man | Leslie Hawthorne |
| 08:46.03 | werdna | not even close |
| 08:46.12 | werdna | (I wasn't) |
| 08:46.13 | Catfish_Man | er, *Hawthorn |
| 08:46.19 | Catfish_Man | I always get that last name spelling wrong :( |
| 08:46.45 | sohum | lh on identica, I assume lh here |
| 08:46.49 | sohum | cool! |
| 08:46.53 | sohum | thanks, guys |
| 08:47.21 | werdna | Speaking from experience... |
| 08:47.26 | LawnGnome | sohum: I wouldn't get your hopes up, to be honest. The under 18 contract issue's just as much true here in .au as it is in .us -- that's why a *lot* of companies won't hire under 18s for any vaguely sales related role, as they can't sign contracts. |
| 08:47.46 | werdna | I turned 18 after I started working for Wikimedia (a US not-for-profit) in Australia |
| 08:48.01 | werdna | the employment contract was informal until I turned 18. |
| 08:48.15 | werdna | They specified tasks, I'd finish them, I'd get a check for however much money. |
| 08:48.35 | sohum | but you wouldn't have any legal recourse if you didn't, is that it? |
| 08:48.39 | sohum | LawnGnome: hmmm. fair enough. |
| 08:48.42 | werdna | that's right. |
| 08:48.48 | werdna | As far as I know |
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| 08:49.23 | werdna | fortunately, Wikimedia are a trustworthy bunch who I've dealt with for at least 3 years, so I was okay with that |
| 08:49.44 | joeyadams | Is the 7500 character limit for GSoC in letters or in HTML characters? |
| 08:50.02 | joeyadams | e.g. would <b>I'm bold</b> count as 8 letters or 15? |
| 08:50.15 | joeyadams | (for student applications, that is) |
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| 08:51.48 | irahul | !next |
| 08:51.48 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 08:52.13 | z3r0 | joeyadams: most likely characters |
| 08:53.00 | kblin | joeyadams: I think it's chacracters |
| 08:53.18 | anirudh | any chances that the application deadline will be postponed like the last year ? |
| 08:53.28 | z3r0 | z3r0: not likely |
| 08:53.32 | z3r0 | sorry |
| 08:53.37 | z3r0 | anirudh: not likely |
| 08:53.43 | kblin | !extension |
| 08:53.43 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 08:53.45 | z3r0 | i need some sleep |
| 08:54.13 | anirudh | will hit the bed |
| 08:55.27 | rwcr | joeyadams: I don't think it's a hard limit - mine was 8553 chars. |
| 08:55.42 | kblin | uhm, right |
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| 08:55.50 | kblin | the hard limit was lasy year |
| 08:56.12 | kblin | this year, the only limit is 200 characters on the abstract |
| 08:56.13 | joeyadams | rwcr> Okay, thanks. I'll aim for 7500, of course |
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| 08:56.57 | LawnGnome | That said, have mercy on the people who will read your applications. Limits are a guideline to keep under, not a target to aim for. :P |
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| 09:30.55 | optimus25 | nyone here? |
| 09:31.10 | aghisla | there's 447 of us :) |
| 09:31.25 | araujo | hello |
| 09:31.27 | aghisla | welcome optimus25 |
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| 09:31.54 | optimus25 | cn u pls tell me hw do I reply to the mentor's comments on my gsoc proposal? |
| 09:32.26 | casinaroyale | optimus25: how did you know he commented on your proposal? |
| 09:32.46 | optimus25 | theres an option of public comments/reviews |
| 09:33.06 | optimus25 | so the Q is... hw do I reply ? |
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| 09:34.48 | z3r0 | optimus25: try editing your proposal and then emailing the mentor that you've included the answer |
| 09:35.46 | optimus25 | k.. |
| 09:35.48 | optimus25 | thnx |
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| 09:41.29 | marta | does anyone know if there is an hard limit to the Content ? |
| 09:41.47 | z3r0 | marta: what content? |
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| 09:43.48 | marta | a proposal is composed by two parts, an Abstract and a Content. Two days ago I submitted a proposas with more than 500 chars and all goes well, now I'm getting an error (there seems than an hard limit was recently introduces). I'm asking if I will experiment something similar for the "Contents" section |
| 09:44.09 | marta | s/introduces/introduced/ |
| 09:44.17 | z3r0 | marta: the abstract has a limit, the whole application doesnt |
| 09:45.21 | marta | ok, thanks. What will happens to my previous proposal which Abstract was more than 500 chars ? |
| 09:47.37 | z3r0 | z3r0: I guess it's better if you edit them and keep them under the limit as well |
| 09:47.54 | z3r0 | i seriously need some sleep :) |
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| 09:50.36 | marta | z3r0: :) I hope that them will be not truncated :) thanks. |
| 09:50.52 | z3r0 | marta: I dont think so, good luck! |
| 09:50.59 | marta | nice feature the ibot substitution :) |
| 09:51.24 | sohum | hahah |
| 09:51.26 | sohum | that's awesome |
| 09:51.48 | sohum | s/awesome/incredible/ |
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| 09:54.11 | aghisla | s/incredible/funny/ |
| 09:54.30 | aghisla | ... |
| 09:54.33 | sohum | hmm |
| 09:54.39 | sohum | maybe it doesn't read itself? |
| 09:54.42 | aghisla | not recursive :) |
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| 09:54.54 | sohum | or! it must be checking that the user is the same |
| 09:55.06 | sohum | let's tset it |
| 09:55.11 | stevenj | s/recursive/rofl/ |
| 09:55.12 | aghisla | s/tset/test/ |
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| 09:55.32 | sohum | yea |
| 09:55.32 | stevenj | aww, can't change what others say |
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| 09:55.45 | sohum | that could be implemented |
| 09:55.50 | aghisla | funny indeed! |
| 09:55.51 | sohum | "X thinks Y meant: " |
| 09:55.56 | ojwb | s/implemented/annoying |
| 09:55.56 | aghisla | s/funny/awesome/ |
| 09:56.10 | ojwb | it's quite annoying as it is |
| 09:56.14 | sohum | it /could/ be annoying, but you tend to assume the best of people ;) |
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| 09:57.21 | sohum | 'sides, it's not like you're giving them an /extra/ way to spam - as is, they just have to say something and continue |
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| 10:16.12 | irahul | !timeline |
| 10:16.12 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 10:26.53 | sid1monu | hi |
| 10:27.23 | sid1monu | i want to know about open source developing |
| 10:27.30 | sid1monu | or editing |
| 10:28.04 | casinaroyale | sid1monu: what editing? |
| 10:28.36 | sid1monu | how can i do it and wat open source editin |
| 10:28.54 | sid1monu | what languages are neccessary for most projects |
| 10:29.17 | ojwb | there's a list by language: |
| 10:29.19 | casinaroyale | !orgbylang |
| 10:29.19 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 10:29.19 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 10:29.21 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 10:29.27 | casinaroyale | hehe |
| 10:29.30 | ojwb | faster on the draw |
| 10:30.07 | WinterMute | neat use of delicious |
| 10:30.24 | prea | is back |
| 10:31.44 | aghisla | hi prea |
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| 10:33.41 | casinaroyale | !timeline |
| 10:33.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 10:33.54 | aghisla | lunchtime |
| 10:34.06 | prea | aghisla: aloha! |
| 10:35.37 | sid1monu | how is python for open source ? |
| 10:35.55 | ajuonline | great |
| 10:36.00 | ajuonline | sid1monu: www.sahanapy.org |
| 10:36.16 | ajuonline | thats an example ;) |
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| 10:40.17 | omniter | anybody up this early? :D |
| 10:40.25 | BCarlyon|Server | yes |
| 10:40.33 | ojwb | WinterMute: yeah, and whoever set it up just create an account and posted the login details to the mentors list so orgs can update their own tags |
| 10:40.34 | BarryCarlyon | yes |
| 10:40.47 | ojwb | is up this late |
| 10:41.11 | werdna | is up this late too |
| 10:41.17 | werdna | but it's only 2141 |
| 10:41.19 | omniter | hmmmm |
| 10:41.24 | omniter | it's 0641 here |
| 10:41.35 | BCarlyon|Server | 11:41 here |
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| 10:44.14 | ojwb | sorry, you're all wrong - it's 23:44 |
| 10:45.02 | nerus | Hi everyone ! |
| 10:45.23 | apaliwal | 16:20 here |
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| 10:45.36 | nerus | I have a project idea which is sort of my own idea ! |
| 10:45.52 | nerus | I would like to propose it under google applications office ! |
| 10:45.58 | nerus | whom can I discuss it with ? |
| 10:45.59 | apaliwal | great !! go ahead |
| 10:46.18 | nerus | apaliwal: :) |
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| 10:46.32 | apaliwal | you can just post it and there might be a comment on your application |
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| 10:46.36 | apaliwal | or a review |
| 10:46.50 | danderson | let me just warn you that unless it's work on an established open source project, google is unlikely to accept it. |
| 10:47.12 | apaliwal | yah...thats true.. |
| 10:47.13 | ojwb | and you'll need to find a mentor yourself |
| 10:47.19 | nerus | danderson: i know, the chances are very very less :) |
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| 10:47.20 | danderson | the "google" org is not really for the creation of new projects, and certainly not a substitute for venture capital to fund you latest great world-changing idea |
| 10:47.47 | apaliwal | find some org that is interested to mentor ur idea |
| 10:47.56 | nerus | hmmm okay ! |
| 10:48.15 | ojwb | most orgs aren't interested in ideas which aren't connected to stuff they already do |
| 10:48.25 | nerus | my idea was to develop a online judge for programming contests |
| 10:48.29 | ojwb | in fact, it's probably safe to assume all are |
| 10:48.39 | ojwb | or aren't, rather |
| 10:48.40 | nerus | there isn't really a free and open sourced judge available as such |
| 10:48.50 | Mek | nerus: than you haven't researched properly... :P |
| 10:48.58 | Mek | nerus: http://domjudge.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:49.06 | nerus | oops :P |
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| 10:49.40 | nerus | ah that does it :) |
| 10:50.05 | nerus | i am an idiot to have written a judge myself for my institute's event ! |
| 10:50.05 | apaliwal | hahah |
| 10:50.14 | apaliwal | :) |
| 10:50.19 | apaliwal | good that you tried |
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| 10:51.14 | nerus | Mek, awesome link, i should have found it three months ago ! Wasted so much time in writing one ! |
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| 10:52.19 | nerus | is searching for alternatives to apply :) |
| 10:52.24 | nerus | thanks guys ! |
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| 10:55.57 | apaliwal | does 3 month time includes time to get acquinted with the existing code....or do we have to do it before may 23 |
| 10:55.59 | apaliwal | ?? |
| 10:57.17 | danderson | discuss it with your org. |
| 10:57.29 | danderson | But usually, the 3 months is expected to be 3 months of productive work |
| 10:58.04 | apaliwal | hmmm...in that case no ramp up time |
| 10:58.05 | apaliwal | :( |
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| 10:58.36 | Ivanovic | apaliwal: the time before is the "bonding time" |
| 10:58.52 | Ivanovic | this is exactly for stuff like getting used to other devs, the community *and* the code |
| 10:58.52 | omniter | you have one month before the official start time to ramp up |
| 10:58.56 | omniter | it says in the schedule |
| 10:59.02 | omniter | !schedule |
| 10:59.02 | socinfo | Error: "schedule" is not a valid command. |
| 10:59.06 | omniter | !timeline |
| 10:59.06 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 11:00.27 | omniter | between april 20 and may 23. that's one month. heck, you could/should start ramping up before that. they're open source. take a look yourself. |
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| 11:02.14 | Ivanovic | apaliwal: http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/2007/04/so-what-is-this-community-bonding-all.html |
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| 11:05.22 | apaliwal | thats fine if you are having time...what if you are not having enough time before summer starts |
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| 11:05.41 | apaliwal | then it is difficult to cope up |
| 11:06.03 | apaliwal | espacially because not many students are used to programming like it happens in industry |
| 11:06.43 | apaliwal | anyways it will be a challenge and good experiance from learning point of view |
| 11:06.45 | omniter | apaliwal, it's BECAUSE you're not used it that this bonding period exists. so you have time to get used to it. |
| 11:07.09 | apaliwal | yah..I agree |
| 11:07.21 | kblin | I'm not sure how coding open source and coding in industry are that closely related |
| 11:07.42 | kblin | the only closed source project I worked on was a piece of crap, code-wise |
| 11:08.20 | kblin | I mean it did work, but it took me two weaks to make it compile without warnings and stuff |
| 11:08.38 | kblin | and I had to rewrite half of it to make it IPv6-capable |
| 11:08.56 | smtms | kblin, "coding in industry" as opposed to "coding in college" |
| 11:09.02 | kblin | oh, I see |
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| 11:09.13 | apaliwal | yah |
| 11:09.15 | kblin | so "coding in the real world" |
| 11:09.36 | kblin | you're not expected to learn that during the community bonding period |
| 11:10.35 | kblin | of course it's a bit differnet from "fill in the missing quicksort function" |
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| 11:11.44 | apaliwal | nice comparision....*missing quicksort function* |
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| 11:12.58 | casinaroyale | kblin: so, what are you expected to during the community bonding period? |
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| 11:13.26 | apaliwal | read the code |
| 11:13.31 | apaliwal | get used to workflow |
| 11:13.44 | apaliwal | think about thwe possible solution |
| 11:13.49 | apaliwal | the* |
| 11:13.59 | apaliwal | these can be few possiblities |
| 11:14.02 | ojwb | commercial code generally doesn't get seen by people and has deadlines to ship by, so sadly it tends to be rather ropey in places |
| 11:14.03 | Nightrose | hey folks :) I am one of the admins for KDE and see two proposals marked as ineligible - when i want tosee them i get a message saying "There is no such active entity." - any hints what is going on? |
| 11:14.40 | ojwb | did you or another admin/mentor mark them? |
| 11:14.44 | ojwb | as ineligible |
| 11:14.50 | lfranchi | it's possible |
| 11:15.03 | lfranchi | but now we can't select them anymore, trying to do so results in a "no such active entity" page |
| 11:15.07 | ojwb | someone was asking something similar earlier, about a proposal which had disappeared and reappeared |
| 11:15.18 | casinaroyale | apaliwal: thank you |
| 11:15.20 | ojwb | pointed them to #melange, but didn't hear anything more |
| 11:15.23 | Wolf_OSGeo | Nightrose: can confirm that it happens to me too |
| 11:15.30 | Nightrose | ok thanks :) |
| 11:15.55 | Nightrose | goes and asks in #melange |
| 11:17.15 | apaliwal | it can happen |
| 11:17.21 | apaliwal | it is mentioned somewhere |
| 11:17.30 | apaliwal | that if someone from ur org marks it |
| 11:17.37 | apaliwal | as spam(ineligiable) |
| 11:17.46 | kblin | Nightrose: I think pawel said he was working on this stuff today |
| 11:17.49 | apaliwal | than it will not be accesible afterwords |
| 11:18.12 | kblin | Nightrose: perhaps it's still not completely done |
| 11:18.14 | apaliwal | probably someone from ur org marked it as spam |
| 11:18.34 | kblin | Nightrose: there's reasons why it's called the "bleeding" edge |
| 11:18.44 | Nightrose | apaliwal: that would be really bad cause I want to know who did it and why :/ |
| 11:18.55 | Nightrose | kblin: hehe ok - that isn't sooo bad then |
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| 11:19.59 | kblin | Nightrose: I'd suggest keeping an eye on the mentor's list, and report a bug if it's still wonky tomorrow |
| 11:20.01 | Nightrose | with KDE we asked every mentor to not rate proposals before the deadline so I would like to know who did it anyway :) |
| 11:20.17 | Nightrose | kblin: alright thanks |
| 11:20.19 | Nightrose | will do |
| 11:20.45 | kblin | Nightrose: actually, this came up on the melange-soc list |
| 11:20.57 | kblin | so you might want to watch that as well :) |
| 11:20.59 | Nightrose | ah is the archive public? |
| 11:21.06 | kblin | I guess so |
| 11:21.15 | Nightrose | reads |
| 11:21.27 | kblin | http://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc?hl=en |
| 11:21.53 | Nightrose | sweet - gracias |
| 11:22.08 | kblin | de nada |
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| 11:28.29 | Nightrose | kblin: ok looks like we just need to wait then |
| 11:28.41 | Nightrose | goes back to learning for her exam and stops worrying ;-) |
| 11:28.45 | BCarlyon|Server | Morning all btw |
| 11:29.50 | omniter | morning |
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| 11:38.08 | keka | hi |
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| 11:39.44 | cbx33 | wondering if anyone in here could help me out |
| 11:40.00 | keka | anyone discussing about wikimedia projects? |
| 11:40.16 | cbx33 | I'm starting a new online publication and I'm doing a small feature on GSoC....looking for a few paragraphs from a few mentors/students on what GSoC means to them, what they hope to achieve learn etc..... |
| 11:40.23 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 11:40.24 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 11:40.29 | ojwb | keka: see that ^^ |
| 11:40.36 | cbx33 | if you're interested...please email silentkeystroke@googlemail.com |
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| 11:49.29 | casinaroyale | is it a good idea to share my proposal with developers who are applying this year as well to the same organization? |
| 11:49.41 | casinaroyale | so that they could give me feedback? |
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| 11:50.02 | ojwb | the other students? |
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| 11:50.15 | ojwb | it shouldn't hurt |
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| 11:50.46 | ojwb | there have been occasional cases of people copying, but it's easy to spot and if you've submitted first, it's obvious who copied who |
| 11:51.08 | aghisla | feedback != copy-n-paste |
| 11:51.27 | ojwb | well, you'd hope |
| 11:51.39 | casinaroyale | ojwb: ok, I get it |
| 11:51.43 | ojwb | i mean one student copies a public submission from another |
| 11:51.50 | ojwb | which is clearly not going to work... |
| 11:52.15 | ojwb | more useful than feedback from other students is probably feedback from others in the community |
| 11:52.25 | casinaroyale | ojwb: I haven't submitted my proposal yet. I am just trying to get the opinion of others before my mentor reads it |
| 11:52.25 | ojwb | since they're likely to be more familiar with the software |
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| 11:52.51 | casinaroyale | ojwb: That is exactly why I want to share it with them |
| 11:53.07 | kblin | well, if you send the proposal to the project's mailing list and later there's two similar proposals, I guess the person who didn't send it to the mailing list will be in trouble :) |
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| 11:53.32 | ojwb | so if you steal a proposal, send it to the mailing list quick! |
| 11:54.06 | kblin | most people in open source are really touchy about correct attribution :) |
| 11:54.24 | casinaroyale | my proposal is not something out of the wild. It was already on the ideas page. Just did my research and wrote a proposal |
| 11:54.24 | ojwb | understandably really |
| 11:54.28 | kblin | because that's pretty much all you usually get for your work |
| 11:55.08 | ojwb | casinaroyale: but you (hopefully) wrote a few thousand words about it yourself? |
| 11:55.44 | casinaroyale | ojwb: yes |
| 11:55.53 | ojwb | they'll embody creative expression, so be copyright you |
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| 11:56.51 | kblin | casinaroyale: I'd send it to the project's mailing list / forum or whatever |
| 11:57.30 | casinaroyale | kblin: Is that a good idea? |
| 11:58.13 | kblin | I think it is |
| 11:58.18 | ojwb | too |
| 11:58.42 | kblin | I know I was kind of concerned about this when I was a student, but I got really good feedback on my proposals when I did this in 2007 |
| 11:58.44 | casinaroyale | ok |
| 11:58.48 | kblin | like |
| 11:59.04 | kblin | "You really want to cut back on the deliverables, this is going to be much harder than you think" |
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| 12:00.06 | kblin | Nightrose: ping |
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| 12:00.15 | Nightrose | kblin: pong |
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| 12:00.33 | kblin | Nightrose: check your ineligible proposals again :) |
| 12:00.44 | kblin | if it doesn't work now it's a bug |
| 12:00.46 | Nightrose | checks |
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| 12:01.34 | Nightrose | still the same error :( |
| 12:01.47 | Nightrose | maybe some caching problem? |
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| 12:06.29 | j-b | !timeline |
| 12:06.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:06.40 | j-b | thx socinfo :D |
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| 12:20.34 | kblin | see you around |
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| 13:08.11 | Ivanovic | !next |
| 13:08.11 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 13:29.58 | apaliwal | one doubt....If in an application template if for some section we don't have any thing to write like say in "further enhancement you can think of" section, then should we leave that section blank or remove that section heading too from the final submitted application |
| 13:31.01 | z3r0 | apaliwal: leave it blank without the heading IMHO. Also don't worry about the templates too much, it's kinda flexible as long as you can get yourself across. |
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| 13:31.54 | apaliwal | hmmm thnx a lot |
| 13:32.14 | Ivanovic | apaliwal: in general: talk to the org |
| 13:32.39 | Ivanovic | they will be able to tell you, what they want to see and they will also be able to tell you if your application is fine or if some details are missing |
| 13:32.40 | apaliwal | oks...will do that |
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| 14:06.38 | dgsudharsan | hello i am interested to apply for gsoc this year.. I have an idea, a concept related astronomy which when implemented i think will become popular software like google earth, encarta.. Can some one help me out here? Which organisation can i propose? |
| 14:07.13 | kblin | Nightrose: ok, seems like this is a known issue, and there's two reasons why proposals might show up in the "ineligible" list. one is if one of the mentors marked it as ineligible, one is that the student withdrew the proposal |
| 14:07.18 | dwins | dgsudharsan: you might look at KDE (specifically, Marble or KStars from the KDE-Edu project) |
| 14:07.36 | kblin | Nightrose: and the bug about it not being accessible is still being worked on |
| 14:07.57 | kblin | encarta is popular? |
| 14:08.04 | dgsudharsan | ok but this is entirely a new idea.. So can i propose.. |
| 14:08.07 | Nightrose | dgsudharsan: yea definitely have a look at kstars from KDE :) |
| 14:08.12 | Nightrose | yes you can |
| 14:08.20 | Nightrose | we are open to new ideas at KDE |
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| 14:08.36 | dgsudharsan | thanks for your help |
| 14:08.41 | Nightrose | kblin: thanks for keeping me posted :) good to know |
| 14:08.52 | kblin | hopes someone finally will get MAPI support into Akonadi |
| 14:09.18 | Nightrose | dgsudharsan: the guy who works on kstars is often on irc as kstar in #kde-edu if you want to talk to him when he is around |
| 14:09.33 | dgsudharsan | thanks :) |
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| 14:10.05 | Nightrose | and there are also a few marble guys ;-) |
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| 14:13.32 | ankush | hi |
| 14:14.03 | ankush | stuck in native client build....can i ask for solution here?? |
| 14:14.25 | SRabbelier | ankush: nope, ask in their irc channel instead |
| 14:14.38 | ankush | :( |
| 14:14.52 | ankush | they don't have any irc channel |
| 14:15.12 | ankush | turns back to the native client mailing list |
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| 14:16.02 | SRabbelier | ankush: that'd be your next best guess :) |
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| 14:16.25 | dgsudharsan | can anyone give me the link for the project list in gsoc? |
| 14:16.58 | kblin | !orgs |
| 14:16.58 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 14:17.12 | TiS | êòîíèòü èç ðîññèè? |
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| 14:17.32 | TiS | ïðèâåò |
| 14:17.35 | kblin | TiS: this is an english channel |
| 14:17.41 | TiS | Hi |
| 14:17.44 | kblin | hi :) |
| 14:17.50 | TiS | any russians?) |
| 14:18.02 | TiS | im firstly in irc |
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| 14:44.52 | ecin | Writing the abstract is equivalent to trying to sum up your day on a twitter message. |
| 14:45.03 | ecin | Or perhaps your week. |
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| 14:45.34 | Landon | I can do that |
| 14:45.45 | Landon | "Class, work, homework" |
| 14:45.45 | Landon | :) |
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| 14:46.21 | ecin | But that isn't engrossing, Landon. |
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| 14:50.09 | zzzzzZZZZzzz | Twitter is everything wrong with the internet today. |
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| 14:50.48 | ankitg | "Engrossing Class, Engrossing Work, Not so engrossing Homework" ... engrossing enough? |
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| 14:53.54 | AndreiN | wow, quite a lot of people here. Hello all |
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| 14:55.22 | ojwb | ecin: don't fret about the abstract - it's not a big deal |
| 14:55.32 | AndreiN | I have found this: http://www.sipfoundry.org/google-summer-of-code.html but didn't find sipfoundry in the accepted organizations list |
| 14:56.08 | AndreiN | does this mean that they applied and didn't get accepted? |
| 14:56.27 | ojwb | probably |
| 14:58.33 | ojwb | last updated 13th march, which is the org application deadline |
| 14:58.34 | David_Honeynet | hi AndreiN |
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| 14:59.13 | ojwb | sip communicator are in, if you're after VOIP projects |
| 14:59.34 | russellb | asterisk.org is also in |
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| 15:01.13 | AndreiN | ok, thanks. I was interested in that particular project |
| 15:01.17 | AndreiN | thanks for the info |
| 15:01.47 | ojwb | AndreiN: most open source projects are happy to have new contributors if you want to contribute anyway |
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| 15:21.44 | MatthewWilkes | What⦠the⦠hell? http://soundcheck.freedomblogging.com/2009/02/20/want-josh-freese-to-join-your-band-got-75000/4962/ |
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| 15:29.04 | Landon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.01 | ankush | is there some way i can update to a new build of the native client package or i need to download the entire new build ?? |
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| 15:38.52 | winit | @hypa7ia are y there |
| 15:39.15 | kblin | ankush: I seriously doubt most people even know what you're talking about |
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| 15:41.51 | winit | any mentor here from xelerance org |
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| 15:46.43 | anothy_x | !timeline |
| 15:46.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 15:51.33 | anothy_x | question for other mentors/admins: how are you dealing with safe vs. "reach" goals? |
| 15:51.37 | anothy_x | said another way: |
| 15:51.55 | SRabbelier | anothy_x: I think it'd be more appropriate to ask that on the mailing list? |
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| 15:52.08 | anothy_x | ah, true. |
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| 15:52.33 | ajuonline | oO |
| 15:52.40 | ajuonline | tell me more about that :D |
| 15:52.44 | ajuonline | safe vs reach :P |
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| 15:53.13 | ajuonline | nevermind ;) |
| 15:53.24 | ajuonline | Lennie: checked out the new episode? |
| 15:53.32 | ajuonline | is gonna watch it today |
| 15:53.38 | ajuonline | no spoilers :P if you have! |
| 15:53.57 | Landon | ajuonline: dumbledore dies, rosebud is his sled, soylent green is people |
| 15:54.02 | Lennie | ajuonline yosh :) |
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| 15:54.15 | Lennie | ajuonline, it answers a lot of questions |
| 15:54.24 | palak | hi |
| 15:54.32 | ajuonline | closes the window. swear he didnt see what Landon said |
| 15:54.37 | anothy_x | Landon: you forgot maybe the first such pop spoiler: Frodo lives! |
| 15:54.42 | Landon | haha |
| 15:54.43 | Landon | oh man |
| 15:54.48 | Landon | i never finished those books |
| 15:54.52 | Landon | only got half through the second |
| 15:54.56 | anothy_x | hah. serves you right. |
| 15:55.00 | palak | erm........sorry to disturb |
| 15:55.01 | Landon | before I saw the last movie |
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| 15:55.05 | Landon | I was reading slashdot |
| 15:55.09 | palak | but can i discuss my proj idea? |
| 15:55.10 | irahul | !next |
| 15:55.10 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 15:55.11 | Landon | and someone posted a song about a 9 fingered hobbit |
| 15:55.18 | Landon | palak: probably best on the organizations channel |
| 15:55.45 | Landon | I spoiled KOTOR for myself by accident :( but I pretended didn't and it was just the same |
| 15:56.00 | palak | organisations channel? |
| 15:56.05 | palak | what is dat exactly? |
| 15:56.17 | Landon | well, what organization do you want to do a project for? |
| 15:56.37 | ajuonline | damn, the one i downloaded is a pass protected rar. |
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| 15:56.56 | palak | worldforge |
| 15:57.16 | Landon | then try #worldforge |
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| 15:57.40 | palak | kay...thnx |
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| 16:02.19 | summatusmentis | Landon: what's up? |
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| 16:02.59 | Landon | que pasa? |
| 16:03.08 | summatusmentis | you pinged me |
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| 16:03.14 | Landon | did not! |
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| 16:03.21 | summatusmentis | did so, at like 1 am |
| 16:03.50 | Landon | no idea why |
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| 16:04.13 | BCarlyon|Server | su |
| 16:04.24 | BCarlyon|Server | summatusmentis, ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ! |
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| 16:04.39 | Landon | hehe |
| 16:04.41 | BCarlyon|Server | summatusmentis, its your turn to make the tea! |
| 16:04.49 | Landon | BCarlyon|Server: went into a root shell for that? hardcore |
| 16:04.52 | ajuonline | i want team as well |
| 16:04.59 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: summatusmentis summatusmentis |
| 16:05.00 | ajuonline | :P |
| 16:05.05 | SRabbelier | Landon: lol |
| 16:05.10 | BCarlyon|Server | rofl |
| 16:05.12 | SRabbelier | rolfs |
| 16:05.32 | SRabbelier | Landon: dude, you totally get a +1 for that |
| 16:06.01 | Landon | !karma |
| 16:06.01 | socinfo | Highest karma: "danderson" (2), "mlankhorst" (2), and "c" (1). Lowest karma: "i18n" (-2), "libtool" (-1), and "when" OR 1==1;" (-1). |
| 16:06.08 | BCarlyon|Server | That was a keyboard fail! |
| 16:06.17 | BCarlyon|Server | Landon++ |
| 16:06.22 | Landon | !karma |
| 16:06.23 | socinfo | Highest karma: "danderson" (2), "mlankhorst" (2), and "c" (1). Lowest karma: "i18n" (-2), "libtool" (-1), and "when" OR 1==1;" (-1). |
| 16:06.25 | summatusmentis | BCarlyon|Server: I'll cough in the tea |
| 16:06.26 | Landon | :( |
| 16:06.28 | Landon | !Landon++ |
| 16:06.28 | socinfo | Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 16:06.31 | Landon | onoes |
| 16:06.33 | Landon | they caught me |
| 16:06.33 | BCarlyon|Server | !Landon++ |
| 16:06.41 | BCarlyon|Server | summatusmentis, alrite I'll make it then |
| 16:06.41 | Lennie | ooo |
| 16:06.44 | Lennie | ajuonline++ |
| 16:06.46 | Lennie | ^_^ |
| 16:06.53 | SRabbelier | !Landon++ |
| 16:06.53 | Lennie | !ajuonline++ |
| 16:06.57 | BCarlyon|Server | !karma |
| 16:06.57 | socinfo | Highest karma: "danderson" (2), "mlankhorst" (2), and "Landon" (2). Lowest karma: "i18n" (-2), "libtool" (-1), and "when" OR 1==1;" (-1). |
| 16:07.01 | BCarlyon|Server | :-P |
| 16:07.02 | SRabbelier | Lennie: lol, why are you upping ajuonline? :P |
| 16:07.03 | dho_plan9 | botsex-- |
| 16:07.07 | Lennie | because I can :) |
| 16:07.12 | SRabbelier | Lennie: no you can't! |
| 16:07.15 | summatusmentis | Landon: it was right in and around: |
| 16:07.16 | summatusmentis | 02:13 < r0bby> ajuonline: good |
| 16:07.16 | summatusmentis | 02:13 < Landon> summatusmentis: ping |
| 16:07.16 | summatusmentis | 02:13 < r0bby> typed up a plan and approach etc |
| 16:07.16 | BCarlyon|Server | !lennie-- #karma trashing |
| 16:07.16 | socinfo | Error: "lennie--" is not a valid command. |
| 16:07.22 | Landon | summatusmentis: I saw it |
| 16:07.25 | Landon | but I've still got no idea |
| 16:07.25 | Landon | :P |
| 16:07.28 | BCarlyon|Server | !lennie-- |
| 16:07.29 | summatusmentis | psh |
| 16:07.32 | Lennie | hehe :D |
| 16:07.36 | SRabbelier | BCarlyon|Server: lol :) |
| 16:07.37 | Lennie | I'm evol |
| 16:07.40 | BCarlyon|Server | socinfo-- |
| 16:07.47 | ajuonline | darn, cant find the password! |
| 16:07.48 | Landon | !socinfo+- |
| 16:07.49 | socinfo | Error: "socinfo+-" is not a valid command. |
| 16:07.49 | ajuonline | Lennie: pm? ;) |
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| 16:07.57 | BCarlyon|Server | For not allowing #reason in karma like geekbot does in #geekup |
| 16:08.06 | Lennie | hehe |
| 16:08.10 | Lennie | no need ajuonline, I'm off soon |
| 16:08.23 | SRabbelier | goes to watch Heroes |
| 16:09.08 | ajuonline | Lennie: password? |
| 16:09.11 | ajuonline | any idea? |
| 16:09.28 | Lennie | ajuonline, for....? |
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| 16:09.44 | defc0n | !help |
| 16:09.44 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 16:09.53 | defc0n | !advice |
| 16:09.53 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 16:10.14 | defc0n | !socinfo++ |
| 16:10.17 | defc0n | !karma |
| 16:10.17 | socinfo | Highest karma: "danderson" (2), "mlankhorst" (2), and "Landon" (2). Lowest karma: "i18n" (-2), "libtool" (-1), and "when" OR 1==1;" (-1). |
| 16:10.21 | defc0n | !socinfo++ |
| 16:10.22 | defc0n | !karma |
| 16:10.22 | socinfo | Highest karma: "danderson" (2), "mlankhorst" (2), and "Landon" (2). Lowest karma: "i18n" (-2), "libtool" (-1), and "when" OR 1==1;" (-1). |
| 16:10.25 | defc0n | !socinfo++ |
| 16:10.26 | defc0n | !karma |
| 16:10.26 | socinfo | Highest karma: "socinfo" (3), "danderson" (2), and "mlankhorst" (2). Lowest karma: "i18n" (-2), "libtool" (-1), and "when" OR 1==1;" (-1). |
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| 16:10.31 | defc0n | !socinfo++-- |
| 16:10.32 | defc0n | !karma |
| 16:10.32 | socinfo | Highest karma: "socinfo" (3), "danderson" (2), and "mlankhorst" (2). Lowest karma: "i18n" (-2), "libtool" (-1), and "when" OR 1==1;" (-1). |
| 16:10.37 | defc0n | sorry for spam |
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| 16:11.49 | SRabbelier | ... |
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| 16:12.24 | summatusmentis | can I just say, one of my favorite google docs functionalities is automatically choosing which language to spell check from |
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| 16:15.26 | ajuonline | yeah you can. |
| 16:15.29 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ^ |
| 16:15.35 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: ;-P |
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| 16:27.36 | MatthewWilkes | hehehehe - BBC news reports a school teacher is in trouble because she's been found on a modelling agency website in a thong |
| 16:27.44 | MatthewWilkes | The website is currently overloaded |
| 16:28.59 | Landon | yay publicity |
| 16:28.59 | Landon | :P |
| 16:29.09 | Landon | I guess she won't need a teaching job anymore now! |
| 16:31.03 | BCarlyon|Server | woot home time |
| 16:31.05 | spectie | haha Mathiasdm |
| 16:31.10 | spectie | *MatthewWilkes, |
| 16:32.29 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: The Daily Mail saves the day! |
| 16:32.34 | spectie | :) |
| 16:32.40 | spectie | daily fail ;) |
| 16:32.56 | MatthewWilkes | I was watching some monkey dust last night |
| 16:33.02 | MatthewWilkes | "I followed a star. THE DAILY STAR!" |
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| 16:33.29 | summatusmentis | spectie! would you lok at my 'personal statement' again please? |
| 16:33.32 | summatusmentis | look* |
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| 16:34.04 | spectie | summatusmentis, msg me |
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| 16:41.00 | mots | jst want to quiery one thing |
| 16:41.13 | mots | many orgs have asked for our ideas |
| 16:41.33 | mots | do we can give our own ideas? |
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| 16:43.03 | defc0n | mots: i think it depends on organization |
| 16:43.14 | smtms | mots, you can suggest your own ideas |
| 16:43.35 | bobmcw | mots: the final submission is up to the student, but the student is advised to converse with the orgs so that there's a mutually-acceptable proposal on the table |
| 16:43.35 | bobmcw | orgs seed with ideas |
| 16:43.35 | bobmcw | but I'm happy to entertain proposals from left-field, that I'd never thought about |
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| 16:45.23 | mots | k..thanx |
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| 16:46.23 | MatthewWilkes | [5]BC: Ah, didn't realise you were at Leeds, damn cloak hides things. I was just up there this weekend |
| 16:46.40 | [5]BC | Leeds! |
| 16:46.44 | Landon | how many barrys do we have in the channel now |
| 16:46.45 | [5]BC | Some mention Leeds? |
| 16:46.53 | [5]BC | Sorry unplugged the wrong machine! |
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| 16:47.23 | MMlosh | What does gradutation mean? Dictionary says just "finishing school". |
| 16:47.23 | MMlosh | I'm currently on grammar school and I'll finish it in year 2010.. Is this that required year or it's when I'm planning finishing high school? Thanks for reply. |
| 16:47.28 | [5]BC | Leeds rocks! |
| 16:47.35 | MatthewWilkes | [5]BC: Yeah, I was up there at the weekend, visiting a friend doing her MA there |
| 16:47.42 | [5]BC | Ah well would of been nice to meet up with other gsocers |
| 16:47.52 | [5]BC | Google London office again this year. |
| 16:48.03 | [5]BC | Anyway I was leaving the office |
| 16:48.11 | [5]BC | But needed to turn this machine back on. |
| 16:48.19 | [5]BC | I unplugged the wrong one lol |
| 16:48.21 | MatthewWilkes | [5]BC: In fact, I sat in your union building for 2 hours having nothing to do while she was at a postgrad assembly meeting ;) |
| 16:48.21 | [5]BC | Back in 20 |
| 16:48.36 | [5]BC | Ouch MatthewWilkes |
| 16:48.42 | [5]BC | Im sat in the radio station on the first floor |
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| 16:49.09 | MatthewWilkes | I'll make sure to ping you if I go up again anypoint soon |
| 16:49.13 | [5]BC | :-) |
| 16:49.14 | [5]BC | Coolio |
| 16:49.17 | [5]BC | Back laters |
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| 16:50.34 | mib_3wr6ae | hi |
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| 16:51.43 | MMlosh | Hi! I'm not quite sure how can I post a question here that won't disappear in conversation... |
| 16:52.19 | Shadow_Master | this channel is logged. |
| 16:52.35 | Shadow_Master | ( see /topic ) |
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| 16:53.10 | MMlosh | I can't imagine anyone digging through 5000-line log, but it's OK then (I've already posted my question) |
| 16:54.15 | defc0n | MMlosh: you just have to put a year when you're planning to finish high school |
| 16:54.41 | Kraft | i think the FAQ says you need to be 18+? |
| 16:54.44 | MMlosh | OK.. it was not clear from definition in my dictionary |
| 16:55.24 | MMlosh | Kraft: yes, it does |
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| 16:55.50 | defc0n | Kraft: you can be 18 and attend high school |
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| 16:56.55 | MMlosh | probably not in my country.. |
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| 16:57.56 | defc0n | in Poland people should finish high school when they're 19 |
| 16:58.01 | defc0n | ;-) |
| 16:58.01 | StoneCypherAtWor | Hey, since NMap is GSOC, and since NMap' |
| 16:58.33 | StoneCypherAtWor | Hey, since NMap is GSOC, and since NMap's server is dying the day before conficker, and since 4.85 beta5 isn't on any rpm sites, could you guys host a copy of nmap that'll be available for the next 48 hours? |
| 16:58.41 | StoneCypherAtWor | this is seriously the worst time for nmap to go away |
| 16:58.46 | StoneCypherAtWor | and those novices don't have any mirrors |
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| 16:58.57 | thiagoss | !timeline |
| 16:58.57 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 17:00.20 | StoneCypherAtWor | don't know why nmap isn't on sourceforge, a provider that can handle what amounts to the traffic of two slashdottings |
| 17:00.37 | danderson | um. |
| 17:00.46 | danderson | I've seen sf.net go down from slashdotting. |
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| 17:01.00 | MMlosh | defc0n, ah.. sorry, I forgot what High school is in english... I've thought that it's university :D |
| 17:01.08 | StoneCypherAtWor | it's been five years since they were run separately |
| 17:01.10 | Landon | nmaps site is down? |
| 17:01.15 | StoneCypherAtWor | Landon: just the download site |
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| 17:01.18 | Landon | oh |
| 17:01.37 | StoneCypherAtWor | danderson: it's been a very long time since sourceforge was even slightly impressed by slashdot traffic |
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| 17:01.53 | defc0n | MMlosh: it's ok ;) |
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| 17:02.12 | danderson | in any case, they host themselves whereever they please. What's the problem with that? |
| 17:02.22 | StoneCypherAtWor | that they're down the day before they're desperately needed |
| 17:02.27 | StoneCypherAtWor | conficker is tomorrow |
| 17:02.53 | danderson | how is nmap important for that? |
| 17:02.56 | StoneCypherAtWor | really? |
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| 17:03.30 | danderson | I mean, does it expose itself on the network that obviously? |
| 17:03.45 | Landon | personally thinks nothing will happen tomorrow :) |
| 17:03.47 | danderson | else you're going to have more luck with a traffic analyzer, or a DoS prevention system if you're on the receiving end :) |
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| 17:03.54 | danderson | well, there's that too |
| 17:03.55 | StoneCypherAtWor | no, it's actually quite hard to find, which is why nmap's only been equipped to find it for about a week, since symantec picked the binary apart |
| 17:03.58 | StoneCypherAtWor | uh no |
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| 17:04.09 | StoneCypherAtWor | this really isn't something about dos prevention |
| 17:04.21 | defc0n | StoneCypherAtWor: http://nmap.org/dist/nmap-4.85BETA5.tar.bz2 |
| 17:04.22 | StoneCypherAtWor | this is about detecting compromised machines before they start blasting private information back to their sources |
| 17:04.40 | danderson | oh, so nmap can detect an infected machine by external scan now. I see. |
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| 17:05.01 | StoneCypherAtWor | defc0n: that was down two minutes ago, and is liklely to go down again |
| 17:05.07 | StoneCypherAtWor | i already have nmap[ |
| 17:05.26 | StoneCypherAtWor | i'm trying to help set up a voluntary mirror from a company noob sysadmins who waited until the last minute can trust |
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| 17:06.18 | defc0n | StoneCypherAtWor: i wish i could help you but i'm not suicide ; p |
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| 17:06.47 | StoneCypherAtWor | i'd do it myself if anyone had ever heard of my isp |
| 17:06.56 | StoneCypherAtWor | i have more than enough bandwidth, but nobody has any reason to trust me |
| 17:07.04 | Landon | StoneCypherAtWor: I was able to pull the file just fine |
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| 17:07.31 | StoneCypherAtWor | yes, that's the nature of hosting under load |
| 17:07.34 | StoneCypherAtWor | it goes up and down |
| 17:07.37 | Landon | right |
| 17:07.41 | Landon | so you only need to get it once |
| 17:07.42 | Landon | and then mirror it |
| 17:07.52 | Landon | I don't see your problem ;) just keep trying |
| 17:08.00 | StoneCypherAtWor | you're right, you don't see the problem |
| 17:08.20 | StoneCypherAtWor | because as i already said, i already have it, and i can't mirror it because nobody has any reason to trust me, which is why i'm trying to get a reputable big name to do it |
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| 17:09.28 | Landon | is there not a public checksum for the tarball? |
| 17:09.55 | irahul | !next |
| 17:09.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 17:10.24 | defc0n | Landon: no, there's no checksum |
| 17:10.45 | StoneCypherAtWor | and checksums aren't appropriate for compromise detection anyway |
| 17:10.52 | StoneCypherAtWor | they're only appropriate for transmission error detection |
| 17:11.06 | StoneCypherAtWor | it's actually relatively easy to find a padding block for md5 to create a specific thumbprint |
| 17:11.41 | Kraft | is there a minimum knowledge of coding for gsoc? i cant find much in the FAQ |
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| 17:12.34 | latitude | Kraft: the minimum is something that is defined by each project |
| 17:12.38 | Mathiasdm | StoneCypherAtWor: for md5, yes, but not for something like sha-2 |
| 17:12.45 | PearlJam | Kraft: knowledge is specifi to the project. |
| 17:12.50 | Kraft | ok thanks :) |
| 17:12.57 | latitude | just go find a mentor for a project you want and talk to him |
| 17:13.02 | StoneCypherAtWor | Mathiasdm: you might be surprised |
| 17:13.10 | Landon | why not provide a half dozen different checksums |
| 17:13.11 | Landon | :) |
| 17:13.45 | StoneCypherAtWor | Mathiasdm: you can typically cover the search area through birthday paradox in under twenty million addenda just through brute force |
| 17:14.31 | MMlosh | I've read somewhere in FAQs that I must be enrolled on university/college.. but I'm still at grammar school and I'll stay here one more year.. Does that mean that I can't participate? |
| 17:14.32 | StoneCypherAtWor | your chances of hitting a match in 70 million addenda are >60%, if you do the math |
| 17:14.38 | Mathiasdm | hm, good point |
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| 17:15.16 | typ0_ | so google can't find any nmap tarball either StoneCypher ? |
| 17:15.20 | Mathiasdm | but that's the odds of any one of those 70 million having the same hash as another any one of those 70 million |
| 17:15.39 | Mathiasdm | while I was talking about matching a particular hash |
| 17:15.45 | Mathiasdm | anyways, this is probably too off-topic ;) |
| 17:15.51 | Mathiasdm | interesting discussions though :) |
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| 17:16.37 | defc0n | MMlosh: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_studentprofile "the full name of your school, college or university". i think people from high schools can participate too |
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| 17:18.23 | MMlosh | OK... then it was probably just incomplete... But I'm still worried.. see this one: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#graduate |
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| 17:24.03 | defc0n | MMlosh: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/msg/1667a6b9ac5cacb4 |
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| 17:25.14 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 17:25.26 | MatthewWilkes | awesome, just got a proposal that by the title I assumed was spam, but turns out not to be |
| 17:25.35 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: always nice :) |
| 17:25.55 | MatthewWilkes | "Management of the register of births, deaths, marriages, the tax records and the land register in Italian Public Administration" |
| 17:26.01 | MatthewWilkes | (For a CMS) |
| 17:26.23 | MMlosh | defc0n: "you will be attending when the next term starts" |
| 17:26.23 | MMlosh | I'm not sure about that... I'm sure I can't prove that I'll be attending in year 2010 |
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| 17:32.39 | Landon | summatusmentis: to heck with facebook, I'm gonna move my profile info to my wobsite:P |
| 17:33.06 | ankitg | Landon's wobsite is the new facebook! |
| 17:33.17 | defc0n | MMlosh: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/9295398ca91a8b9f |
| 17:33.24 | defc0n | read the whole thread |
| 17:33.33 | summatusmentis | Landon: psh |
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| 17:34.37 | Landon | that way I can actually give links to things I like |
| 17:34.39 | Landon | egadzooks |
| 17:34.49 | Landon | I could probably do it in django too :P (H) |
| 17:34.50 | defc0n | MMlosh: that guy - Leszek Godlewski is also in grammar school and he finally registered as a student |
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| 17:36.53 | MMlosh | defc0n: I've read that... but this is not my final year at grammar school |
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| 17:38.43 | defc0n | i think it doesn't matter. that guy can't prove that he'll be attending university too |
| 17:39.15 | MMlosh | OK... I'l try and hope then... thanks |
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| 17:39.37 | defc0n | good luck ;-) |
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| 17:44.34 | nirbheek | !timeline |
| 17:44.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:04.14 | ajuonline | is there a per organisation - application limit? |
| 18:04.21 | ajuonline | or all 20 to one possible? |
| 18:04.51 | Nightrose | ajuonline: you can send 20 applications to the same org |
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| 18:05.03 | Nightrose | but i'd reccomend doing only 2 or 3 to be honest |
| 18:05.12 | Nightrose | quality is mire important than quantity |
| 18:05.16 | Nightrose | *more |
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| 18:05.58 | ajuonline | ack, I know that :) just asking |
| 18:06.04 | Nightrose | :) ok |
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| 18:06.11 | ajuonline | because someone told me, this time only 1 app per org. |
| 18:06.29 | summatusmentis | I don't believe that's true |
| 18:06.29 | hwked | are we allowed to put images into proposals? |
| 18:06.36 | Nightrose | we at KDE already have several people with 2 applications so that is not true |
| 18:07.03 | Nightrose | hwked: i think so |
| 18:07.36 | hwked | and is there a character limit for the proposal? |
| 18:07.57 | omniter | hwed, only for the abstract. |
| 18:08.03 | rwatson | ajuonline: there are advantages to submitting multiple applications -- one is that if you're using the org's "ideas list" there may be a lot of proposals for exactly the same idea you're proposing on |
| 18:08.11 | omniter | you can't really measure a formatted propsal in characters anyway. |
| 18:08.22 | omniter | there's bullets and images and crap |
| 18:08.32 | rwatson | ajuonline: and if they plan to accept only one instance of the project, you're competing against a lot of people for just one slot. if you have proposals for different ideas, you're competing for multiple spots (sort of) |
| 18:08.48 | summatusmentis | !timeline |
| 18:08.48 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:09.11 | Nightrose | rwatson: which is why quality is so important ;-) |
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| 18:10.37 | rwatson | Nightrose: right, there's never an excuse for submitting a bad proposal. :-) |
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| 18:10.55 | rwatson | Nightrose: but I think submitting 2-3 if you really want to work with an org is a reasonable strategy to improve your chances |
| 18:11.04 | Nightrose | true |
| 18:11.31 | rwatson | Nightrose: if the org gets 6-10 proposals for the one idea, and yours is strong, you may still not get it because all it takes is one person with a stronger proposal |
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| 18:12.05 | rwatson | Nightrose: but if you submit two strong proposals, even if they are less enthused about your second idea, they might pick you because it seems you write strong proposals. |
| 18:12.05 | Nightrose | jep - we had a lot of those last year :( |
| 18:12.13 | harlan | ... which is why I am a firm believer in engaging with the students to get an idea of how they will be to work with. |
| 18:12.26 | rwatson | Nightrose: yeah, don't want to reject good students just because they all picked the same idea. |
| 18:12.47 | thiago_home | we get too many students to engage them all |
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| 18:12.56 | harlan | that must be kinda nice. |
| 18:13.02 | thiago_home | so we have to base our first cut on the quality of the proposal |
| 18:13.09 | Nightrose | harlan: heh not as nice as you think ;-) |
| 18:13.11 | rwatson | harlan: can't argue with early engagement. |
| 18:13.15 | thiago_home | make sure you ran a spellchecker, for example |
| 18:13.24 | Nightrose | it is really hard to pick the best ones |
| 18:13.33 | harlan | spellcheckers don't catch it's/its, their/there, ... |
| 18:13.49 | thiago_home | I never read a sentence more than twice, be it email, IRC or proposals (unless the email comes from my boss) |
| 18:13.53 | gchaix | and talking to the org on IRC, etc. is always a bonus. If we see the app before it's formally submitted, we're happy to help you improve it |
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| 18:13.58 | rwatson | rule 1: first, throw away all the proposals that are xerox-copies of the ideas list entry. :-) |
| 18:14.10 | thiago_home | if I can't understand it in the second pass, then I will discard it |
| 18:14.34 | rwatson | (if you have nothing to offer but copy-and-paste, then that's all we need to know) |
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| 18:14.49 | Nightrose | hehe yea - that is a good first test |
| 18:14.55 | irahul | !next |
| 18:14.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 18:15.01 | rwatson | harlan: you guys get your own org registered this time? |
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| 18:16.13 | rwatson | gchaix: I would agree that at least 50% of the best proposals are ones where there's been pre-submission mentoring going on |
| 18:16.29 | Nightrose | at least |
| 18:16.37 | gchaix | Yup. Cuts down on the garbage applications, too |
| 18:16.44 | rwatson | gchaix: it does lead to a few duds where a bit too much feedback is given, leading to a proposal written by the pre-submission mentor rather than the student |
| 18:16.48 | rwatson | gchaix: but usually we catch that |
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| 18:17.17 | rwatson | (never intentionally by the mentor, they just provide a few too many corrections and fixes without properly documenting that later) |
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| 18:42.48 | bitsweat | we've been giving lots of feedback on all submissions and most students have updated their proposal in response |
| 18:43.38 | bitsweat | the feedback motion is only amplifying the best proposals' rise to the top |
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| 18:44.46 | bitsweat | so I'd suggest any kind of useful feedback will help, on top of pre-submission mentoring |
| 18:45.06 | bitsweat | (we have yet to match up any mentorships) |
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| 18:51.13 | homunq | is April 3 a firm "pencils down" for applications? Or can we ask students to continue to provide supplementary material and respond to questions via other channels after that date? |
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| 18:52.16 | summatusmentis | I would guess firm "pencils down" but I don't actually know |
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| 18:52.33 | homunq | We're considering expanding one of the questions on our application, but we're not sure if it's fair to require something new on such short notice, unless we can give a few extra days. |
| 18:52.56 | summatusmentis | I know my org wants a patch submitted alongside the application |
| 18:53.09 | summatusmentis | and they won't take it afterwards |
| 18:53.16 | homunq | It's not huge, but we want to be both fair and in line with GSoC policy. |
| 18:53.39 | summatusmentis | lh would know |
| 18:54.06 | schumaml | homunq: have a look at the timeline |
| 18:54.13 | schumaml | !timeline |
| 18:54.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:54.54 | lh | homunq: it's not exactly fair, but it's not against the rules. i wouldn't disqualify a good applicant for not completing a new task required of them at this stage in the application process |
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| 18:55.07 | lh | goes to her next meeting |
| 18:55.14 | schumaml | April 3 to Arpil 15: "Interim Period: Mentoring organizations review and rank student proposals; where necessary, mentoring organizations may request further proposal detail from the student applicant." |
| 18:55.52 | homunq | schumaml: good point |
| 18:55.54 | homunq | thanks. |
| 18:56.16 | homunq | bad for not re-reading before asking. |
| 18:56.17 | summatusmentis | I'd say go for it, but be reasonable |
| 18:57.22 | homunq | our best students answered the expanded question already anyway. it's just a clarification. |
| 18:57.23 | homunq | thanks. |
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| 19:11.19 | aoszkar | !current |
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| 19:13.39 | homunq | !next |
| 19:13.39 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 19:13.47 | homunq | aoszkar: is that what you wanted? |
| 19:14.05 | aoszkar | homunq: yes, thanks! :) |
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| 19:31.29 | jbartosik | I looked at my application |
| 19:31.38 | jbartosik | and it lacks formatting :/ |
| 19:31.49 | jbartosik | i.e. end of lines |
| 19:32.00 | jbartosik | should I use html markups? |
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| 19:32.09 | jbartosik | to make it readeble? |
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| 19:33.26 | javaaddict | Don't even mention formatting. Spent ages formatting a proposal earlier. NoScript had disabled the formatting options. Ended up having to do it all again. The tools there should help make it clear and easy to read. |
| 19:33.46 | Niks | hi room |
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| 19:33.56 | martyn-job | hi |
| 19:34.09 | dho_plan9 | markdown for formatting! |
| 19:34.11 | jbartosik | but I need end of lines, dont' I? |
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| 19:34.19 | javaaddict | Hello Niks |
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| 19:34.31 | jbartosik | and I can't see any |
| 19:34.35 | Niks | hello mate |
| 19:35.28 | javaaddict | Have you tried setting some text to Heading 1 and the rest to normal/default? That seems to space the lines. Failing that, the return key should do |
| 19:35.29 | jbartosik | goes away |
| 19:35.45 | jbartosik | will try |
| 19:35.46 | jbartosik | thanks |
| 19:35.53 | martyn-job | I've finished my carrer on university some (2 or 3 months ago) . Can I sing up on Google Sumer of Code ? |
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| 19:36.30 | Niks | sorry martyn |
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| 19:36.43 | martyn-job | Niks: :( not is possible. |
| 19:36.46 | martyn-job | ? |
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| 19:37.11 | Niks | ya |
| 19:37.34 | martyn-job | Niks: do you know the url exactly where say that only active students ? |
| 19:37.35 | Niks | but i think ya can find many oder competeitons |
| 19:37.46 | kblin | martyn-job: check the faq |
| 19:37.52 | martyn-job | let me sere. |
| 19:37.53 | martyn-job | *see |
| 19:37.59 | Niks | sure mate |
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| 19:38.58 | magnetik | is there any way to get a list of mentors by programming language ? |
| 19:39.04 | magnetik | or spoken language :P |
| 19:39.10 | Ivanovic | lh: who should i ask if a submission was wrongly marked ineligible? |
| 19:39.11 | Niks | :-? |
| 19:39.13 | hypa7ia | !orgsbylang |
| 19:39.14 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 19:39.18 | hypa7ia | magnetik: ^^ |
| 19:39.24 | hypa7ia | that's by programming language |
| 19:39.34 | magnetik | Thanks :) |
| 19:39.42 | dhaun | Ivanovic: over in #melange, I guess |
| 19:39.49 | kblin | Ivanovic: er, did one of your mentors mark it as inelligible? |
| 19:39.58 | Ivanovic | kblin: looks like |
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| 19:40.07 | kblin | Ivanovic: if not, the student probably withdrew the application |
| 19:40.12 | Ivanovic | though it was just a "not too good yet" proposal, not a spam one that is bad |
| 19:40.25 | kblin | Ivanovic: that'll make it show up in the ineligible list |
| 19:40.31 | Ivanovic | ah, okay, so if the student withdraws, it is moved into the ineligible list? |
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| 19:41.04 | kblin | yeah, as far as I understood |
| 19:41.07 | Niks | @javaaddict did ya found d way of formating header :? |
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| 19:41.29 | kblin | Ivanovic: if you can't open it, that's a bug that's currently being worked on |
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| 19:41.50 | Ivanovic | i can open it, it is just under the list of ineligible reports |
| 19:41.56 | Ivanovic | s/reports/submissions |
| 19:42.08 | martyn-job | kblin: i dont see the FAQ specific about my question :( |
| 19:42.13 | martyn-job | Can you help me ? |
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| 19:42.31 | kblin | martyn-job: er, I bet it's in there |
| 19:42.47 | kblin | !faq |
| 19:42.47 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 19:42.48 | martyn-job | thanks |
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| 19:42.51 | Ivanovic | hmm, i would really love to have some "history" function |
| 19:42.59 | Ivanovic | as in "who change what when" |
| 19:43.11 | martyn-job | yeah, i know where is the faq socinfo :) |
| 19:43.17 | Ivanovic | (especially for this ineligible/withdrawing stuff) |
| 19:43.25 | kblin | martyn-job: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 19:44.11 | kblin | it says there, in plain english: "In order to participate in the program, you must be a student." |
| 19:44.38 | kblin | martyn-job: it then goes on to define what a student is |
| 19:44.45 | Ivanovic | "As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 20, 2009, you are eligible to participate in the program." |
| 19:44.47 | kblin | that should answer your question |
| 19:44.57 | Niks | roger dat |
| 19:45.05 | martyn-job | thank you kblin |
| 19:45.23 | martyn-job | :'( |
| 19:45.56 | Niks | dnt wrry u can find many more competitions |
| 19:46.00 | Niks | :-) |
| 19:46.05 | martyn-job | Yeah. |
| 19:46.10 | Niks | world is full of opp |
| 19:46.22 | dhaun | btw, GSoC isn't a "competition" :-/ |
| 19:46.31 | Niks | ya |
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| 19:47.44 | Niks | @martyn and ya since all org are open source , If u r keen to help den u can join the developer list and help upon existing issue ..phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
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| 19:48.24 | kblin | sighs |
| 19:48.42 | kblin | I dislike having to force-feed people stuff from the faq |
| 19:48.58 | BarryCarlyon | rofl |
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| 19:49.23 | Niks | u r doin a noble job |
| 19:49.41 | Niks | hehehehe :) |
| 19:51.12 | Niks | any moodler out here :/ |
| 19:51.21 | kblin | !anyone |
| 19:51.21 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 19:52.22 | kblin | hmm |
| 19:53.53 | Niks | !anyone |
| 19:53.53 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 19:54.23 | Niks | !? |
| 19:54.23 | socinfo | Error: "?" is not a valid command. |
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| 20:01.41 | ajuonline | the silence? |
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| 20:06.53 | Niks | sacred silence |
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| 20:07.09 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: don't worry, it's not a plot against you or anything |
| 20:07.20 | javaaddict | Listen to the tumbleweed! |
| 20:07.28 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ah, i am so relieved! |
| 20:07.32 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: done with the app? |
| 20:07.47 | summatusmentis | My app is in, I'm still working on the patch that my org wants |
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| 20:08.10 | Niks | whic org :/ |
| 20:08.21 | summatusmentis | Niks: OpenAFS |
| 20:08.27 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: lucky u! i am to start now. |
| 20:08.40 | Niks | m plannin tomm |
| 20:08.55 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I've had 4 deadlines all right about the same time, on top of school, it's been a busy two weeks |
| 20:09.04 | ajuonline | yeah, same here :) |
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| 20:09.20 | summatusmentis | so I've been not doing anything else |
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| 20:09.25 | dho_plan9 | angry blackman! |
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| 20:09.55 | Niks | plan9 is not exitinct :-) yipeee |
| 20:09.58 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: pardon? |
| 20:10.11 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: It's csjp's nickname. |
| 20:10.16 | summatusmentis | plan9 might as well be extinct >_> </troll> |
| 20:10.25 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: haha, oh |
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| 20:10.28 | Niks | no re |
| 20:10.28 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: By our philosophy, UNIX should be extinct :) |
| 20:10.36 | dho_plan9 | Niks: we have quite a few open projects :) |
| 20:10.39 | Niks | paln9 rocks |
| 20:10.44 | Niks | oops plan |
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| 20:11.02 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: is there a write-up somewhere of what plan9 can do? or a comparison, or something... |
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| 20:11.11 | Niks | hehehehe |
| 20:11.14 | Niks | omfg |
| 20:11.20 | Niks | check plan9 site |
| 20:11.31 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf perhaps |
| 20:11.34 | Niks | will get a binary too :p |
| 20:11.51 | Niks | downlaod 95 mb image |
| 20:12.01 | Niks | feeel d live |
| 20:12.11 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: it's like 400 pages though. |
| 20:12.11 | summatusmentis | I'm mostly just curious |
| 20:12.16 | summatusmentis | oh good lord |
| 20:12.33 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: It's built around the concept of everything is a filesystem (not everything is a file) and everything is exportable over the network. |
| 20:12.38 | dho_plan9 | Niks: just use 9vx |
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| 20:13.00 | dho_plan9 | http://gsoc.cat-v.org/ideas/ |
| 20:13.05 | Niks | agreed |
| 20:13.05 | smtms | dho_plan9, why the suggested idea to do a packet filter includes NAT? :-) |
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| 20:13.10 | [particle] | exports a thread |
| 20:13.47 | makmanalp | dho_plan9: someone i knew last year had a bunch of old machines lying around so he put plan9 on all of them for fun |
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| 20:14.08 | Niks | wasnt me |
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| 20:14.49 | dho_plan9 | smtms: because it ends up being the same place you want to rewrite a packet for NAT |
| 20:14.50 | summatusmentis | the plan9 bunny is cute :) |
| 20:14.55 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: `glenda' :) |
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| 20:15.29 | Landon | I want a glenda shirt :o |
| 20:15.32 | summatusmentis | can it run in VMWare? |
| 20:15.52 | summatusmentis | it being glenda, that is :-P |
| 20:16.04 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: http://swtch.com/9vx/ |
| 20:16.04 | Niks | bunny just got inspired by playboy chic ;-) |
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| 20:16.29 | smtms | Niks, that's why she's female? |
| 20:16.33 | dho_plan9 | otherwise we recommend qemu, I think. VMWare keeps changing their display drivers and we stopped trying to keep up. |
| 20:16.43 | Niks | u got it |
| 20:16.48 | dho_plan9 | I think it works using VESA |
| 20:16.52 | Niks | exactly |
| 20:17.01 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: oh weird, it's a vm w/o the vm |
| 20:17.10 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: well, the vm is compiled in |
| 20:17.14 | dho_plan9 | essentially. |
| 20:17.27 | dho_plan9 | I maintain another version of it that has some additional features. |
| 20:17.38 | summatusmentis | hrm... says OS X is buggy, worth checking out anyway |
| 20:17.42 | Niks | smts wat r ya up to des days ? |
| 20:18.11 | summatusmentis | This is only ~24MB? |
| 20:18.14 | summatusmentis | dang! |
| 20:18.20 | smtms | Niks, fix your typing |
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| 20:18.33 | Niks | roger dat |
| 20:18.52 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: It doesn't include a 9root |
| 20:19.07 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: you might be able to convince me to fix my on-demand 9vx-over-vnc app |
| 20:19.57 | summatusmentis | a 9root? |
| 20:20.13 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: a root filesystem with stuff useful to run |
| 20:20.30 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 20:22.49 | dho_plan9 | There, should work |
| 20:22.51 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: http://testbed.dh0.us/ |
| 20:23.19 | summatusmentis | I didn't even have to do convincing :) |
| 20:24.29 | dho_plan9 | I didn't feel like telling you where to get a root fs from :) |
| 20:24.54 | summatusmentis | so I've registered, what now? point vnc to that? |
| 20:25.49 | dho_plan9 | I don't remember |
| 20:25.55 | dho_plan9 | oh |
| 20:25.56 | dho_plan9 | log in |
| 20:26.02 | dho_plan9 | create an instance, give it a name and a password |
| 20:26.38 | dho_plan9 | hm, I hope I didn't lose a cron script |
| 20:27.26 | summatusmentis | right, created, has a name, and a password |
| 20:27.34 | summatusmentis | and I'm seeing a dashboardh |
| 20:27.43 | summatusmentis | -h |
| 20:27.54 | dho_plan9 | yeah, then go to list instances |
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| 20:28.09 | dho_plan9 | there's also a java viewer. maybe. |
| 20:28.16 | summatusmentis | oh, got it |
| 20:28.31 | summatusmentis | it didn't like the java viewer |
| 20:28.40 | dho_plan9 | maybe I screwed that up |
| 20:28.50 | dho_plan9 | either way, once it goes into running, you should be able to vncviewer to it |
| 20:29.00 | summatusmentis | at what address? |
| 20:29.22 | dho_plan9 | testbed.dh0.us:whatever |
| 20:29.32 | smtms | dho_plan9, you are not preparing him for the shock that using Plan 9 is at first |
| 20:29.36 | dho_plan9 | heh |
| 20:29.41 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: You won't understand anything |
| 20:29.48 | dho_plan9 | and you'll probably think it sucks :) |
| 20:29.58 | summatusmentis | I'm intrigued |
| 20:30.14 | smtms | summatusmentis, it's like Chinese ;-) |
| 20:30.15 | Ivanovic | !next |
| 20:30.16 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 20:30.31 | anirudh | !extension |
| 20:30.31 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 20:31.06 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Mentors, make sure your students are submitting their proposals to the GSoC 2009 site - Students, apply now! http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged a |
| 20:33.16 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: testbed.dh0.us:whatever where whatever is... the name you give it? |
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| 20:33.24 | jbrockmeier | lh: It's cool to forward your message on getting applications in to our respective -project lists, I assume? |
| 20:34.03 | dennda | Code that is done before coding officially starts may still be viewed as if it were written during the official coding period, correct? |
| 20:34.07 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: when it says `running' it should give you a port or view to connect to |
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| 20:34.27 | dennda | (@ lh --^) |
| 20:34.42 | lh | jbrockmeier: absolutely, please go right ahead |
| 20:34.48 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: (and it is running) |
| 20:34.50 | lh | dennda: not exactly, no. |
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| 20:34.56 | dho_plan9 | lh: Thanks, I was about to ask you the same question. |
| 20:35.05 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: I see it running, is there a firewall in the way or something? |
| 20:35.05 | jbrockmeier | thanks lh :-) |
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| 20:35.25 | Ivanovic | dennda: difficult question |
| 20:35.26 | lh | dennda: you get *paid* for the work you do between start and end of coding. if you choose to do more work, e.g. during the community bonding period, you are doing that as volunteer time to your project. |
| 20:35.31 | summatusmentis | maybe chicken of the vnc just sukcs |
| 20:35.32 | summatusmentis | sucks* |
| 20:35.33 | lh | jbrockmeier: my pleasure |
| 20:35.34 | dennda | lh: so I am supposed to keep work that i've been doing before coding officially starts hidden and make it look as if I wrote that code during the official coding period? :-) |
| 20:35.47 | lh | dennda: no. i am being very clear for legal reasons. |
| 20:35.57 | lh | you can write whatever you want whenever you want as long as your mentor is happy with it. |
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| 20:36.11 | Ivanovic | dennda: that is: if you do have a really hard schedule due to normal uni stuff and want to start early so that you can spread work over more time, most orgs will probably be happy with it |
| 20:36.21 | Ivanovic | though officially you started your work in May |
| 20:36.22 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:36.25 | lh | you get *paid* for what you do between may 23 to aug 25th |
| 20:36.31 | lh | yes basically what Ivanovic said. |
| 20:36.40 | dennda | what's the legal issue here? |
| 20:36.50 | Ivanovic | we did so at wesnoth last year and yeah, it worked really well for the students |
| 20:36.51 | dennda | the use-case is the one Ivanovic outlined |
| 20:36.57 | lh | dennda: simple, work for hire contract. needs a start date and an end date. |
| 20:36.57 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: how are you trying to connect |
| 20:37.06 | dennda | I'd do things beforehand that I'd do during the coding period otherwise |
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| 20:37.39 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: through ChickenoftheVNC, and I'm getting a "Connection refused: connect()" error |
| 20:37.50 | dho_plan9 | you're probably connecting to the wrong port |
| 20:38.05 | lh | dennda: as long as your mentors are ok with that, we are ok with that. we do ask them to submit their evaluations based on progress made during the coding periods, however. so it would not, for example, be ok to code like made during the community bonding period but write no code at all between start of coding at the end of may and the midterm evaluation date |
| 20:38.23 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: try using testbed.dh0.us:48 |
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| 20:38.31 | ArthurLiu | hi lh: atm, we have 20% of our proposals at debian that are off the gsoc app |
| 20:38.33 | summatusmentis | right, that's what I'm doing |
| 20:38.37 | ArthurLiu | (that we know off) |
| 20:39.40 | dho_plan9 | summatusmentis: It lets me connect. |
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| 20:39.40 | lh | ArthurLiu: ok thanks one sec |
| 20:39.40 | dho_plan9 | so cotvnc may make you specify an actual port |
| 20:39.40 | dennda | lh, Ivanovic: Ok, thanks for making this clear. I'll check what's best for my particular case |
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| 20:39.41 | lh | dennda: perfection, thank you. |
| 20:39.41 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: oh, they call the port 'display' |
| 20:39.41 | summatusmentis | that's why I was confused |
| 20:39.41 | lh | ArthurLiu: interesting. ok good to know. |
| 20:39.41 | dho_plan9 | yes, that should be `48' |
| 20:39.41 | spectie | message forwarded |
| 20:39.41 | spectie | and students informed |
| 20:39.42 | spectie | :) |
| 20:39.42 | hypa7ia | woo processing 15000 emails, thank goodness for procmail and perl scripts |
| 20:39.42 | lh | so mentors who are around for another gsoc - how is application quality looking? |
| 20:40.03 | Ivanovic | hmm, most require some work |
| 20:40.06 | lh | so far i am hearing application quality is awesome, # of apps is down, most feel it is due to more stringent application requirements (self-imposed by orgs) than in previous years |
| 20:40.10 | dho_plan9 | lh: There's no spam this year, at least. |
| 20:40.11 | Ivanovic | that is: the ones submitted to google so far |
| 20:40.13 | schumaml | comparable to last year |
| 20:40.21 | lh | dho_plan9: that's what i thought. |
| 20:40.22 | summatusmentis | dho_plan9: thanks |
| 20:40.29 | thiago_home | less apps than last year for us too |
| 20:40.32 | lh | schumaml: ok good to know |
| 20:40.42 | Ivanovic | many of our perfectionists have not submitted so far, but we are sure that their proposals will be about as good as they can get... |
| 20:40.54 | ArthurLiu | remarkably low amount of spam and unworkable apps, I'd say 60% of our applications we'd like to pursue |
| 20:41.06 | dho_plan9 | lh: I've solicited a bunch of students and those I've gotten to apply are doing rather well on their applications. |
| 20:41.07 | lh | Ivanovic: tell them to put them in the web app and be perfectionists later. :) |
| 20:41.10 | thiago_home | expects a rush at the end, as usual |
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| 20:41.20 | Ivanovic | lh: i am telling them this every day |
| 20:41.21 | lh | ArthurLiu: that's a very high figure, good to know |
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| 20:41.34 | schumaml | I think that we do not have any applications out of the blue, i.e. all the students did show up on our mailing list first |
| 20:41.36 | lh | dho_plan9: great, thanks for the update. |
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| 20:41.43 | spectie | we've had one spam, and around 50% that we'd like to pursue |
| 20:41.45 | lh | Ivanovic: tell them i will hunt them down and force them to drink tea |
| 20:41.47 | spectie | but still really good |
| 20:41.52 | summatusmentis | lh: can you give number for total number of apps? |
| 20:41.53 | spectie | mmm, delicious tea |
| 20:42.02 | lh | summatusmentis: my lips are sealed for the moment. |
| 20:42.11 | summatusmentis | lh: fair enough, just curious |
| 20:42.14 | dho_plan9 | lh: I think we may be getting 2 or 3 new applications before the deadline. |
| 20:42.15 | harlan | lh: OK if I forward your message about proposals to some students (verbatim)? |
| 20:42.22 | lh | i want to give 24 hours for folks to actually put applications in if they haven't yet. |
| 20:42.23 | Ivanovic | lh: uhm, if you hunted me down i would ask "do you have some milk an sugar, too?" |
| 20:42.24 | lh | dho_plan9: okay. |
| 20:42.24 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 20:42.32 | ArthurLiu | we stepped up our communication with students this year, according to mailing list stats, we have 4 times more trafic during march than during march last year (!) |
| 20:42.35 | lh | harlan: sure, please do. what the hey. |
| 20:42.37 | dho_plan9 | And everything we have >0 rating, I think at least one of us really wants to some degree. |
| 20:42.40 | lh | Ivanovic: i can bring that yes. |
| 20:42.44 | harlan | lh: thx |
| 20:42.46 | dho_plan9 | So just under 50% :) |
| 20:42.51 | lh | ArthurLiu: that is freakin' fascinating. |
| 20:42.54 | lh | harlan: yw |
| 20:42.56 | arma | lh: # of apps is definitely down for us. we have 12 now. but a handful look quite good. if it's like last year, i expect 20-30 more apps in the next few days. |
| 20:43.14 | Ivanovic | so far we got one "probably spam" application, will mark it ineligable soon, since there was no further comment |
| 20:43.15 | spectie | arma, of people who have been in contact |
| 20:43.17 | spectie | or cold apps ? |
| 20:43.24 | ArthurLiu | having more admins with more time definitely helped drive up the conversation with students |
| 20:43.31 | arma | spectie: both, but mostly cold apps |
| 20:43.34 | lh | arma: good to know. btw, i will be in nyc when you visit. i cannot take you for beers. :( unless you are coming to penguin day sf, in which case i can buy you beers. |
| 20:43.38 | Ivanovic | beside this we had 14 proposals of varying quality submitted, several rather shallow, several really good |
| 20:43.54 | dho_plan9 | Communication this year is a lot better. |
| 20:43.56 | lh | ArthurLiu: noted. |
| 20:43.56 | dho_plan9 | all around |
| 20:43.57 | hypa7ia | i'm worried about cold apps :s all of the apps we've had so far have needed work, i feel bad for students who won't get feedback before they send theirs in |
| 20:44.05 | lh | is so glad this channel is logged, hugs tim riker |
| 20:44.06 | spectie | hypa7ia, aye |
| 20:44.22 | arma | lh: oh. you mean apr 16? (is the 20th any better?) |
| 20:44.36 | schumaml | btw, anything planned for tomorrow? ;> |
| 20:44.40 | lh | arma: sadly no, in nyc 4/13-4/21 |
| 20:44.42 | thiago_home | hypa7ia: we've always asked students not to leave it to the last minute |
| 20:44.43 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: in general it is normal that applications need some work |
| 20:44.45 | [particle] | tpf has many fewer applications this year |
| 20:44.47 | ArthurLiu | we're now having issues with too many students on one mentor :o |
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| 20:44.55 | lh | schumaml: yes but i can make time for a coffee with you if you are around. |
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| 20:45.01 | [particle] | last year ~25. this year, so far, ~4 |
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| 20:45.04 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: that is the reason why we asked our students explicitly on our ideas page to talk with us about the application on irc |
| 20:45.23 | dho_plan9 | [particle]: are they any good? |
| 20:45.28 | arma | lh: ok. i'll still plan to get together with tony and teach him all about everything, then. and will have to catch up with you some other time i guess. |
| 20:45.29 | lh | hypa7ia: it's actually totally ok if the students who contact you early and often get more attention. their proactive communication is a good indicator of future success. |
| 20:45.34 | ArthurLiu | we're having a crisis meeting now to decide to tell the involved students to make an alternate proposal.. |
| 20:45.36 | schumaml | lh: I was thinking about a different menaing of "date", actually. more like "calendar" :) |
| 20:45.38 | Ivanovic | and everyone who only submitted an app and has not talked with us via irc so far has got a comment like "join irc, there we will talk about it further" (together with stuff what is not soo good yet) |
| 20:45.40 | lh | arma: sounds good. have a beer for me. |
| 20:45.46 | [particle] | i expect more, of course. none for parrot yet. |
| 20:45.52 | lh | schumaml: ah got it ok, thanks for clarifying |
| 20:45.59 | ajuonline | makes coffee for lh |
| 20:46.00 | arma | lh: yeah, uhm, i'm sure doubling my alcohol intake will help my explanation skills greatly :) |
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| 20:46.06 | ajuonline | lh: yo! ;) |
| 20:46.07 | lh | ajuonline: thank you dear |
| 20:46.16 | lh | arma: delay the beer until after the communicating. |
| 20:46.22 | lh | ajuonline: how are you ajay? |
| 20:46.27 | arma | ah ha! i knew there was a trick. |
| 20:46.31 | thiago_home | points out to those comparing to last year that last year the deadline was extended |
| 20:46.37 | thiago_home | so it was more than 2 weeks |
| 20:46.44 | ajuonline | lh: great, how are you? |
| 20:46.52 | lh | ajuonline: good, busy, life is nice. you? |
| 20:46.58 | summatusmentis | thiago_home: was it? wasn't it extended from one week to two? |
| 20:47.03 | ajuonline | lh: ditto! :D |
| 20:47.16 | thiago_home | summatusmentis: ok, now you caught me |
| 20:47.20 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 20:47.33 | lh | thiago_home: i really dont want to extend the deadline again. gets people into bad habits. we also extended the deadline due to web app failage (which we're not having this time) and due to only giving one week for applications, which folks felt wasn't enough time (this year we gave two weeks) |
| 20:47.36 | lh | ajuonline: groovy |
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| 20:47.49 | [particle] | dho_plan9: any good? well, two are bioperl, which i'm too far away from to know. one is crap, the other is fabulous. |
| 20:47.58 | Ivanovic | i think the most common problem we have this year is basically the same as last year |
| 20:48.08 | thiago_home | summatusmentis: no it was 2 and was extended to a bit more |
| 20:48.11 | thiago_home | summatusmentis: http://code.google.com/intl/pt-BR/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline |
| 20:48.11 | lh | Ivanovic: please elaborate |
| 20:48.11 | Ivanovic | that we have to make clearer to the student how much work their proposals really mean |
| 20:48.26 | dho_plan9 | I had someone promise an app for doing firewall/natting in Plan 9 that I would really like to mentor a lot, but I don't see an app yet :( |
| 20:48.27 | summatusmentis | I really don't think it was thiago_home... |
| 20:48.32 | summatusmentis | but I may be wrong |
| 20:48.34 | Ivanovic | stuff that comes close to rewriting the AI is basically impossible over summer of code |
| 20:48.50 | Ivanovic | though extensions and improvements in specific areas of it are well possible, wanted and needed |
| 20:48.52 | lh | thiago_home: the faq in the timeline there was updated to be accurate for the extension. |
| 20:49.01 | thiago_home | ah, ok |
| 20:49.01 | lh | Ivanovic: eifhr qirh you |
| 20:49.08 | lh | whoa. |
| 20:49.11 | ArthurLiu | wha? |
| 20:49.11 | dho_plan9 | nice hand shift |
| 20:49.12 | lh | Ivanovic: right with you on that. |
| 20:49.13 | summatusmentis | typing win! |
| 20:49.16 | thiago_home | well, the update was bad for us mentors because it shortened our evaluation period |
| 20:49.16 | schumaml | gealic? |
| 20:49.19 | dho_plan9 | er, left. |
| 20:49.25 | SRabbelier | wonders what encryption lh is using now again :P |
| 20:49.26 | Ivanovic | in their timelines they seem to also always think that they will meet the "best case" |
| 20:49.34 | lh | thiago_home: right, which is also lame for y'all. not good. |
| 20:49.42 | lh | SRabbelier: super sekrit i can't type encryption |
| 20:49.46 | Ivanovic | they often do not consider that they might/will run into problems at some parts and thus need extra time |
| 20:49.48 | summatusmentis | thiago_home: the extension was annoying for those of us who were on top of our game too :) |
| 20:50.02 | SRabbelier | lh: amazing |
| 20:50.09 | dho_plan9 | was it just 1 week in 2007? |
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| 20:50.25 | ArthurLiu | lh is in fact Qwghlmian |
| 20:50.33 | lh | SRabbelier: i know. it's unbreakable |
| 20:50.39 | lh | ArthurLiu: shhhh! |
| 20:50.43 | Ivanovic | so we have to make sure that they add some "testing time" at the end that serves as buffer |
| 20:50.50 | ankitg|sleeping | lh: nice to you around here again ... heard you have not been keeping well. Hope you're doing much better now ... |
| 20:51.17 | lh | ankitg|sleeping: eh, was sick this weekend. much better now, thank you dear. |
| 20:51.22 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: I used the 'suggested pencils down date' as the start of my 'testing period' |
| 20:51.48 | Ivanovic | lh: as you see, basically the same problems you always have with ambitious students that need more contact with "real world problems" |
| 20:52.09 | Ivanovic | (yeah, such planning is *damn* hard, especially if we ask for possible milestones and a timeline for those) |
| 20:52.11 | lh | Ivanovic: true. |
| 20:52.27 | Ivanovic | summatusmentis: for us it really depends on the projects |
| 20:52.49 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: well sure |
| 20:52.55 | dho_plan9 | I suggested 2 testing milestones for one of our applications |
| 20:52.59 | Ivanovic | summatusmentis: it is completely different if you have as project the "reorganize savegames" since this is likely to cause various problems in strange areas and needs *lots* of testing |
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| 20:53.23 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: oh, that's very true |
| 20:53.30 | Ivanovic | wheras writing a library of AI primitives is really different |
| 20:53.32 | dho_plan9 | or ``fix the routing stack'' |
| 20:53.37 | Ivanovic | there you can do it "blockwise" |
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| 20:53.59 | Ivanovic | so once you got a primitive done, you can test if it does what it is meant to do and evaluate if the default ai is better or this primitive |
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| 20:54.27 | Niks | @dho_plan8 nat firewall for plan9 . -> an application like iptable and ipchain ? |
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| 20:55.04 | dho_plan9 | Niks: Yes, except without the fantabulous suck. |
| 20:55.07 | Ivanovic | our main focus at the moment is to make students aware of the amount of work they will be facing as well as making them know possible problems and getting them to consider those in a timeline, too |
| 20:55.15 | dho_plan9 | at every layer |
| 20:55.34 | Niks | every ? |
| 20:55.43 | Niks | including physical datalink |
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| 20:56.00 | dho_plan9 | No, I was referring to the suck at every layer of implementation |
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| 20:56.06 | dho_plan9 | I really don't like it |
| 20:56.18 | Niks | hmm.. |
| 20:56.28 | dho_plan9 | Also, Plan 9 is nothing like Linux, so it wouldn't be very similar anyway, other than conceptually |
| 20:56.47 | dho_plan9 | and potentially using similar matching / classification algorithms. |
| 20:57.18 | Niks | wat plan9 specific skills are needed |
| 20:57.20 | Niks | ? |
| 20:57.31 | dho_plan9 | The ability to use Plan 9, for one |
| 20:57.40 | p_l | Niks: knowledge of writing Plan9 servers... |
| 20:57.53 | Niks | hmmm |
| 20:58.00 | p_l | the rest would be full knowledge of all the protocols you are playing with :) |
| 20:58.14 | dho_plan9 | well, that's learnable :) |
| 20:58.23 | Niks | yup and enjoyable |
| 20:58.29 | dho_plan9 | I think starting from nothing is rough |
| 20:58.29 | Niks | happy hackin |
| 20:58.47 | dho_plan9 | I'd prefer to have someone who either has some experience with Plan 9 and not so much with TCP/IP or vice versa |
| 20:59.01 | Niks | wat would be rampup time for plan9 hands on .. ? |
| 20:59.07 | p_l | Plan9 is rather easy IMHO, especially if you drawterm from outside... |
| 20:59.44 | p_l | The hardest part is getting it working. I never had seen a Plan9 install that didn't spend ages copying files =3= |
| 20:59.52 | dho_plan9 | Install is slow |
| 21:00.09 | p_l | more like *fabulously* slow |
| 21:00.13 | dho_plan9 | But luckily, with my 9vx changes, this can all be developed in 9vx :) |
| 21:00.29 | Niks | dats good |
| 21:00.47 | p_l | dho_plan9: the only system I know to install slower was NetBSD 4 on emulated MicroVax :D |
| 21:00.55 | dho_plan9 | haha |
| 21:01.02 | dho_plan9 | it's pretty abysmal |
| 21:01.12 | Niks | good for me |
| 21:01.25 | dho_plan9 | Damn, that would have been a good SoC project. |
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| 21:01.35 | dho_plan9 | ``An installer that isn't slower that a slug made out of molasses'' |
| 21:02.00 | Niks | creative ^^ |
| 21:02.12 | p_l | I'm not sure, but I think ITS installed itself faster, especially when you disregard several initial tries busted due to fucking up something |
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| 21:03.26 | spectie | any hindi speakers around ? |
| 21:03.58 | p_l | when you install a system from tapes using a debugger, it's quite easy to fuckup your install >_< |
| 21:05.11 | r0bby | LANGUAGE! |
| 21:05.28 | p_l | r0bby: ? |
| 21:05.54 | lifo | spectie: what's up |
| 21:05.56 | r0bby | there are children here (yes there are under age people here) |
| 21:06.06 | r0bby | dmitrig for example. |
| 21:06.13 | r0bby | (he's 13 last i checked i think) |
| 21:06.13 | spectie | lifo, i'm looking for examples of synthetic adjectives in hindi |
| 21:06.18 | Niks | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:06.25 | summatusmentis | r0bby: he's like 15 :) |
| 21:06.30 | r0bby | wait... |
| 21:06.31 | r0bby | wtf |
| 21:06.39 | r0bby | I thought he was 12 last yr... |
| 21:06.45 | r0bby | WTF |
| 21:06.50 | r0bby | 12, 13 |
| 21:07.00 | summatusmentis | I might be wrong, I was pretty sure he started at 13, and I was pretty sure it was 2 year ago |
| 21:07.04 | r0bby | you are wrong |
| 21:07.14 | summatusmentis | your face is wrong |
| 21:07.18 | r0bby | I'm DAMN sure. |
| 21:07.22 | p_l | r0bby: reading various source code comments would include seeing more expletives. And you need to expand your vocab ^_^ |
| 21:07.30 | ajuonline | spectie: i speak hindi. |
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| 21:07.41 | dennda | Last year I was able to edit my application as much as I wanted before application deadline. Can I do that this year, too? |
| 21:07.43 | r0bby | p_l: doesn't mean it has to be said in an irc channel |
| 21:07.45 | spectie | priya priyatar priyatam |
| 21:07.48 | r0bby | yes |
| 21:07.50 | spectie | nek nektar nektarin |
| 21:07.53 | spectie | ajuonline, those are ok? |
| 21:07.56 | r0bby | dennda: in the header tehre is "Edit" optipn |
| 21:08.06 | dennda | r0bby: thanks |
| 21:08.08 | r0bby | when open your the public view of your app |
| 21:08.40 | Niks | kamina kaminar kaminest |
| 21:09.00 | ajuonline | spectie: the second word sounds, unfamiliar :) |
| 21:09.09 | Niks | thnk 2 slumdog millionaire ;-) |
| 21:09.19 | p_l | is pretty sure a 10yo uses more swear words than him nowadays, but will submit ;-) |
| 21:09.29 | spectie | ajuonline, ok |
| 21:09.33 | ajuonline | Niks: there is no use in showing off your Hindi speaking, foul language skills here :) |
| 21:09.38 | r0bby | lh: dmitri is 12 or 13 right? |
| 21:09.43 | ajuonline | r0bby: 13. |
| 21:09.49 | ajuonline | r0bby: check out DrupalCon site! |
| 21:09.50 | r0bby | summatusmentis: I win! |
| 21:09.53 | ajuonline | the last one, i mean |
| 21:09.54 | Niks | its jus ur perception |
| 21:10.04 | Niks | aju :-p pewwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 21:10.08 | r0bby | does a an ego dance |
| 21:10.34 | summatusmentis | r0bby: your ego dance is scaring the children, stop |
| 21:10.43 | r0bby | continues to do it |
| 21:11.01 | r0bby | I let my ego get the best of me yesterday when i beat a friend on an exam grade-wise :) |
| 21:11.08 | spectie | ajuonline, the first sequence is ok ? |
| 21:11.12 | spectie | ajuonline, priya priyatar priyatam |
| 21:11.13 | spectie | ? |
| 21:11.17 | r0bby | tied him on the last one :x |
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| 21:11.46 | ajuonline | spectie: i am not sure about the word "priyatar" |
| 21:12.43 | rwatson | has to admit hindi transliteration to roman script always confuses him |
| 21:13.14 | ankitg|sleeping | ajuonline doesn't know hindi =P |
| 21:13.25 | spectie | rwatson, this isn't even WX |
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| 21:13.52 | ajuonline | ankitg|sleeping: thats like old age hindi. :P |
| 21:14.12 | ajuonline | ankitg|needing_t: i mean, who speaks or uses those words nowadays ;) |
| 21:14.33 | spectie | ajuonline, the question is |
| 21:14.35 | spectie | is it used |
| 21:14.36 | spectie | at all |
| 21:14.40 | rwatson | hides from heavily sanscritized hindi with lots of p's. :-) |
| 21:14.50 | spectie | rwatson, -tar is probably from Persian |
| 21:14.59 | spectie | the Persian superlative is -tarin |
| 21:15.08 | spectie | (I think they use that in Urdu too) |
| 21:15.12 | spectie | the Sanskrit one is -tam |
| 21:16.58 | rwatson | admits only to weak street hindi from delhi :-) |
| 21:17.11 | rwatson | runs off to catch a plane |
| 21:17.55 | lh | rwatson: safe travels! |
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| 21:18.26 | rwatson | lh: leigh and I are looking forward to finding out what the cat hasn't done to the over the last week :-) |
| 21:18.55 | rwatson | s/the over/the house over/ |
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| 21:19.28 | ajuonline | spectie: old age hindi. classical maybe yes :P |
| 21:19.32 | ajuonline | not in day to day. |
| 21:19.37 | rwatson | doesn't do primchand. |
| 21:19.46 | rwatson | (although leigh does) |
| 21:19.48 | spectie | ajuonline, would it be like "hwæt" or like "thou" ? |
| 21:20.08 | rwatson | attempts to leave for airport (take 2) |
| 21:20.23 | ajuonline | spectie: didnt get the first word |
| 21:20.32 | lh | rwatson: lol. get out of dodge, my friend. |
| 21:20.37 | spectie | ajuonline, the old english way of spelling 'what' |
| 21:20.51 | spectie | ajuonline, so i'll take it probably like 'thou' :) |
| 21:20.54 | ajuonline | thou == you? right? |
| 21:20.57 | spectie | yeah |
| 21:21.03 | ajuonline | yeah pretyt much like that :P |
| 21:21.07 | spectie | great |
| 21:21.11 | ajuonline | but that would be propoer english. tbh. |
| 21:21.26 | ajuonline | proper* something the hindi linguistic guys would appreciate and like. |
| 21:21.30 | spectie | normally you'd say 'sabase priya' for 'dearest' |
| 21:21.38 | ajuonline | yeah ++ |
| 21:21.46 | spectie | *dearer |
| 21:21.47 | spectie | and 'sabase jZyAxA priya' for dearest |
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| 21:22.17 | ajuonline | that seems prefect :) hindi ;) |
| 21:22.22 | ajuonline | perfect* |
| 21:22.44 | spectie | great |
| 21:22.49 | summatusmentis | spectie: what's your first language? |
| 21:22.52 | spectie | summatusmentis, english |
| 21:23.01 | ajuonline | that reminds: sahana needs l10n guys ;) |
| 21:23.02 | summatusmentis | very impressive |
| 21:23.03 | spectie | ajuonline, do you know if the word 'priya' inflects for gender ? |
| 21:23.17 | ajuonline | spectie: priya is used irrespective of gender. |
| 21:23.21 | spectie | for example different forms if it follows a masculine noun or feminine noun |
| 21:23.22 | spectie | ok |
| 21:23.42 | ajuonline | but that depends on the way you pronounce it |
| 21:23.58 | summatusmentis | spectie: not to be annoying, how many languages are you fluent in? |
| 21:24.03 | spectie | two |
| 21:24.05 | spectie | english and spanish |
| 21:24.12 | spectie | i can hold a conversation in catalan |
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| 21:24.13 | spectie | just about |
| 21:24.15 | ajuonline | priya - dearest. priya-a --> female girls name. |
| 21:24.45 | ajuonline | priye - female version of dearest. as well. |
| 21:25.14 | summatusmentis | spectie: oh, very cool |
| 21:25.18 | spectie | ajuonline, sorry to keep hassling you |
| 21:25.19 | spectie | but |
| 21:25.24 | spectie | does 'sAnfa' inflect for gender ? |
| 21:26.03 | ajuonline | spectie: i dont understand what word is that :/ |
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| 21:26.09 | spectie | ajuonline, 'clean' |
| 21:26.17 | spectie | sorry, i'm using WX notation |
| 21:26.24 | spectie | because that seems to be what the people at IIIT use |
| 21:26.36 | spectie | and i've as yet been unsuccessful with my attempts to get them to switch to unicode |
| 21:26.46 | ajuonline | yeah I have heard about it :P |
| 21:26.53 | spectie | there are issues with encoding matras |
| 21:26.54 | spectie | apparently |
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| 21:27.01 | ajuonline | spectie: dont have anyone online on #indlinux ? kakashi_ maybe? |
| 21:27.05 | spectie | which are _impossible_ to solve in unicode (although i'm not convinced) |
| 21:27.10 | ajuonline | kakashi_: dude!!! |
| 21:27.13 | spectie | ajuonline, yep, i'm talking to kakashi, but i don't want to hassle him |
| 21:27.17 | spectie | he's writing his proposal :) |
| 21:27.25 | kakashi_ | :) |
| 21:27.27 | ajuonline | puts cold water on kakashi_ |
| 21:27.36 | ajuonline | no its ok. spectie , you have my permission to hassle him :D |
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| 21:27.39 | spectie | haha |
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| 21:28.02 | ajuonline | kakashi_: :P :P whatsup? ;) |
| 21:28.02 | summatusmentis | not that his permission means anything |
| 21:28.04 | summatusmentis | hides |
| 21:28.10 | kakashi_ | ajuonline:- nothing much |
| 21:28.18 | kakashi_ | ajuonline:- how about you |
| 21:28.24 | ajuonline | kakashi_: applying to soc? |
| 21:29.06 | kakashi_ | isn't that obvious after spectie's comment :P |
| 21:29.42 | ajuonline | yeah right :P |
| 21:29.53 | ajuonline | puts lizards on kakashi_ |
| 21:29.58 | ajuonline | your wives missed you |
| 21:30.12 | ajuonline | good luck with your proposal. :P |
| 21:30.18 | kakashi_ | damn! you and your poor jokes |
| 21:30.24 | kakashi_ | thanks ajuonline |
| 21:30.26 | ajuonline | :P |
| 21:30.52 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: did you ever figure out if you're gonna study more, or find a job? |
| 21:31.08 | Niks | hail..... legends |
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| 21:31.17 | Landon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXx4vXFESek&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:31.26 | Niks | :/ |
| 21:31.27 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: if i do gsoc. i will wait. for sometime and look for more work after that. |
| 21:31.31 | Niks | @landon ? |
| 21:31.42 | ajuonline | no studies for at least a year for sure |
| 21:31.48 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: that's reasonable |
| 21:32.02 | Niks | thnks mate.............. |
| 21:32.12 | ajuonline | unless someone just invites me to join a super awesome program, without me needing to prepare/apply for it. |
| 21:32.15 | Niks | @landon i reely need some headbangs |
| 21:32.27 | Niks | its 3:00 am |
| 21:32.30 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I don't really see that happening, but hey, it could happen :) |
| 21:32.32 | Niks | pheeeww |
| 21:32.54 | Barthezz | its 4:32 |
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| 21:33.36 | ankitg | 5:31:14 |
| 21:33.42 | Niks | some metal songs needs to dedicated |
| 21:34.27 | Niks | palyin iron maiden 520 kbps |
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| 21:35.02 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: so, since you're not studying, you should come visit :) |
| 21:35.19 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: send me the tickets :P |
| 21:35.19 | ankitg | yes ajuonline go take pics ... |
| 21:35.42 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: hah, no, poor college student, rmemeber? |
| 21:35.52 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: me too. remember? ;) |
| 21:35.58 | Landon | I want a slanket |
| 21:36.00 | summatusmentis | no, see, you're done studying |
| 21:36.08 | summatusmentis | so that means you have infinite amounts of money |
| 21:36.12 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: 30 days. still left! |
| 21:36.19 | ankitg | ajuonline: your ticket will come to you in the form of a GSoC payment card ... |
| 21:36.24 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: haha, touche |
| 21:37.07 | ajuonline | ankitg: which org are you planning to apply this year? |
| 21:37.21 | rkatiyar_ | its time to celbrate foolishness :) |
| 21:38.08 | ajuonline | rkatiyar_: we do that all the time in ##gsoc-india welcome :) |
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| 21:39.01 | rkatiyar_ | its April 1st |
| 21:39.09 | Barthezz | is there anybody from Russia? |
| 21:39.14 | ajuonline | rkatiyar: happy birthday. |
| 21:39.25 | Niks | bouy .. god blessss |
| 21:39.33 | rkatiyar | (lol) |
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| 21:39.46 | Niks | wer r ya frm :/ |
| 21:40.31 | rkatiyar | on youtube, page shows inverted :P |
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| 21:40.33 | scorche | wonders if Niks speaks english |
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| 21:41.12 | rkatiyar | and they thank you for trying new theme |
| 21:42.33 | Niks | @scorchei dont speak .. dey call me dumb asss |
| 21:42.40 | Niks | @scorche i dont speak .. dey call me dumb asss |
| 21:42.49 | Niks | :-( |
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| 21:42.56 | Niks | poor me |
| 21:43.16 | scorche | Niks: are you planning on applying as a student for GSoC? |
| 21:43.30 | Niks | ya |
| 21:43.38 | Niks | was thinkin as mentor |
| 21:43.50 | Niks | but thogt will contribute more as student |
| 21:43.59 | Barthezz | where are U from, Niks? |
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| 21:44.39 | Niks | well been travelling places |
| 21:44.41 | scorche | then seriously...speak real, proper english...as in dont sacrifice a few key strokes for time...it seriously will have a *much* better impression on everyone else and they will likely be more inclined to accept you as a student |
| 21:44.50 | dhoclone_plan9 | ^ |
| 21:44.57 | hypa7ia | scorche: i herd u liek mudkipz |
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| 21:45.05 | Niks | no issuess mate |
| 21:45.09 | summatusmentis | kicks hypa7ia in the face |
| 21:45.11 | summatusmentis | bad! |
| 21:45.17 | scorche | slaps hypa7ia around a bit with a mudkip |
| 21:45.22 | hypa7ia | giggles and throws pokemon at you all |
| 21:45.33 | Niks | actually i need a cup of coffee |
| 21:45.44 | summatusmentis | I don't mind pokemon, I more mind 4chan :) |
| 21:46.19 | hypa7ia | hehe |
| 21:46.34 | Niks | @scorche sorry mate...none intentional |
| 21:46.49 | dhoclone_plan9 | so |
| 21:46.56 | dhoclone_plan9 | wrong window <3 |
| 21:46.56 | p_l | ... mudkips... |
| 21:47.16 | Ivanovic | Niks: in general it is a lot better in the open source world to speak "plain and easy" english |
| 21:47.18 | summatusmentis | p_l: really? |
| 21:47.26 | Ivanovic | since many contributors are not native english speakers |
| 21:47.39 | p_l | summatusmentis: it's the cancer that is killing /b/! ;-) |
| 21:47.42 | p_l | ducks |
| 21:47.48 | Niks | yup |
| 21:47.49 | Ivanovic | (at least this is the case for wesnoth where we are really multilingual and have to work somehow with english) |
| 21:47.58 | summatusmentis | p_l: no, /b/ is the cancer that is killing /b/ |
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| 21:48.23 | p_l | summatusmentis: I agree, but better not to delve into 4chan discussion on #gsoc :D |
| 21:48.41 | yeonhoo_ | hum... |
| 21:48.41 | yeonhoo_ | hi |
| 21:48.49 | summatusmentis | hi yeonhoo_ |
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| 21:49.15 | yeonhoo_ | the orgs probably will prefer northern hemisphere student then southern right? |
| 21:49.23 | Ivanovic | yeonhoo_: why? |
| 21:49.23 | p_l | yeonhoo_: why should they? |
| 21:49.33 | yeonhoo_ | because i'm from brazil |
| 21:49.40 | Erant | O_o |
| 21:49.40 | Ivanovic | yeonhoo_: we try to select by the proposal and our impression of the student |
| 21:49.42 | yeonhoo_ | and i'm worried about that issue |
| 21:49.57 | Erant | Euh |
| 21:50.03 | yeonhoo_ | and my english not good also haha... |
| 21:50.09 | Ivanovic | we do not care at all where the student exactly is from, though we will keep the timezoen in mind when we talk about who will mentor a student |
| 21:50.09 | Erant | scratches his head |
| 21:50.14 | rkatiyar | where did nothern and southern issue come from?? |
| 21:50.17 | summatusmentis | yeonhoo_: your english is fine, and I wouldn't worry about where you're from |
| 21:50.31 | Ivanovic | yeonhoo_: uhm, you know, i understand what you write, this should be enough |
| 21:50.46 | Ivanovic | no need to study the english language to be able to participate in open source software |
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| 21:50.55 | summatusmentis | yeonhoo_: my mentor last year was in London, and there was a 5 hour timezone difference |
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| 21:52.17 | yeonhoo_ | i'm writing proposal now.. the problem is i can't write it in elegance manner what could be achived (not easly but..) if i write in portuguese |
| 21:52.41 | Ivanovic | talk to the org you want to write the proposal for |
| 21:52.42 | Murmuria | yeonhoo_, google translate |
| 21:52.56 | Ivanovic | in general it will be a case of "try your best in english, we will sort through it" |
| 21:52.58 | summatusmentis | Murmuria: NO |
| 21:53.17 | rkatiyar | google translate is *EVIL* |
| 21:53.23 | yeonhoo_ | google translation is shhhhhh.... it could confuse more |
| 21:53.31 | summatusmentis | most translation services are not good |
| 21:53.38 | Ivanovic | yeonhoo_: the most important part is to talk to your org |
| 21:53.44 | spectie | <rkatiyar> google translate is *EVIL* |
| 21:53.46 | spectie | lol why? |
| 21:53.53 | summatusmentis | that said, wordreference.com seems to be good for looking up specific words |
| 21:53.57 | Ivanovic | the proposal does not have to reach the quality of a novel |
| 21:53.59 | yeonhoo_ | yeah.. thank you for advices !! |
| 21:54.01 | Niks | I will Write a blog on ettiquetes(HABITS) for ENglish |
| 21:54.02 | Ivanovic | just make clear what you want to do |
| 21:54.05 | Niks | in IRC |
| 21:54.10 | spectie | yeonhoo_, *advice |
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| 21:54.21 | spectie | yeonhoo_, no hace falta pluralizarlo ;) |
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| 21:54.22 | yeonhoo_ | oh.. thank you |
| 21:54.27 | Ivanovic | eg at wesnoth we basically require talking to people in irc |
| 21:54.30 | yeonhoo_ | oo espanoll... |
| 21:54.42 | Ivanovic | sure, a student is no candidate if it is not possible to communicate with him/her |
| 21:54.46 | yeonhoo_ | es mejor que ingles para entender |
| 21:54.51 | spectie | si claro |
| 21:55.02 | spectie | we wanted to allow students to write in whichever language they wanted (or agreed to with their mentor) |
| 21:55.04 | Ivanovic | but if basic communication works, there is nothing speaking against participating in SoC |
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| 21:55.11 | spectie | but i guess google wants to see the proposals in english |
| 21:55.11 | summatusmentis | is there enough of an overlap between portugese and spanish? |
| 21:55.18 | spectie | summatusmentis, sà |
| 21:55.27 | spectie | summatusmentis, yes |
| 21:55.36 | yeonhoo_ | yes |
| 21:55.36 | spectie | for basic stuff it is quite easy to understand portuguese if you know spanish |
| 21:55.37 | spectie | i mean |
| 21:55.38 | summatusmentis | hah, I can read spanish ;-D |
| 21:55.39 | Ivanovic | spectie: okay, we are not doing so |
| 21:55.40 | spectie | written portuguese |
| 21:55.48 | thiagoss | summatusmentis: a lot. I'm from Brazil and I can easily understand most of spanish |
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| 21:55.56 | spectie | spoken portuguese is another matter |
| 21:55.57 | Ivanovic | main reason for us is that we want to have the SoC students as potential later on contributors, too |
| 21:56.02 | summatusmentis | intriguing, I was under the impression they were very different |
| 21:56.08 | spectie | Ivanovic, we're radically multilingual :) |
| 21:56.10 | Ivanovic | and our "working language" in irc, the forums and on the mailling list is english |
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| 21:56.25 | yeonhoo_ | hum.. |
| 21:56.33 | spectie | pretty much write in whichever language you want, so long as someone can understand you |
| 21:56.49 | spectie | which at the moment pretty much means english + any romance language |
| 21:57.00 | Ivanovic | spectie: since we are just a smaller project we communicate in english between each other |
| 21:57.20 | summatusmentis | submits his proposal in the "what's your sign?" language |
| 21:57.21 | Ivanovic | though when it comes to the game we are really multilang... http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/ |
| 21:57.32 | spectie | Ivanovic, we're a small project |
| 21:57.43 | spectie | but given the nature, most people speak at least two romance languages |
| 21:57.50 | spectie | Ivanovic, cool |
| 21:58.01 | summatusmentis | spectie: was gonna say, your org isn't like most orgs :) |
| 21:58.11 | spectie | Ivanovic, you should suggest to your catalan translators that they use apertium ;) |
| 21:58.24 | spectie | aye |
| 21:58.32 | Ivanovic | spectie: feel free to do so yourself, just ping ettin |
| 21:58.53 | spectie | ok :) |
| 21:58.58 | Ivanovic | (i think he is the lone wolf working on this translation at the moment) |
| 21:59.32 | spectie | aha |
| 21:59.34 | Ivanovic | spectie: and the main question is: when is a project "big", when is it "small"? |
| 21:59.40 | spectie | yep |
| 21:59.43 | spectie | that is a big question ;) |
| 22:00.08 | Ivanovic | when looking at our credits we are probably a huge project... http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Credits |
| 22:00.16 | rkatiyar | project is this big |
| 22:00.21 | rkatiyar | <------------------------> |
| 22:00.24 | spectie | haha |
| 22:00.26 | rkatiyar | not to scale |
| 22:00.42 | Ivanovic | rkatiyar: hmm, i'd say "more" |
| 22:00.44 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:01.03 | rkatiyar | :) |
| 22:02.11 | spectie | ok guys |
| 22:02.11 | spectie | nn |
| 22:02.14 | spectie | bona nit ;) |
| 22:02.29 | yeonhoo_ | bona nit.. |
| 22:02.32 | yeonhoo_ | :) |
| 22:02.47 | warren | Hmm... how is GSoC supposed to work? Normally students themselves write a proposal? In my case I wrote a specification and am trying to find a student to do it. |
| 22:03.06 | p_l | romance languages? |
| 22:03.14 | summatusmentis | warren: you can write a spec, the students are supposed to write it |
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| 22:03.32 | warren | Several students expressed interest, are they supposed to just file an application? |
| 22:03.35 | summatusmentis | p_l: things like "wanna come back to my place for a drink?" |
| 22:03.48 | rkatiyar | p_l: roman languages :P |
| 22:04.02 | summatusmentis | warren: 'file an application' means write a proposal |
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| 22:04.20 | rkatiyar | Not "do you wanna have drink and come back to my place afterwards" |
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| 22:04.27 | p_l | rkatiyar: hmm... that's stuff like spanish/portugese/french/ratoromanisch? |
| 22:04.35 | rkatiyar | p_l: si |
| 22:04.53 | summatusmentis | spanish/portugese/french/italian/romanian(?) |
| 22:04.59 | p_l | doesn't speak any of those, despite speaking somehow 4 languages (only two fluent enough to do anything, though) |
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| 22:05.12 | summatusmentis | p_l: which ones? |
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| 22:05.39 | rkatiyar | romance languages |
| 22:05.55 | p_l | summatusmentis: polish (native), english (fluent), german (I think I forgot nearly everything), japanese (I need to learn more) |
| 22:06.05 | lh | gchaix: ping. |
| 22:06.06 | summatusmentis | p_l: ah, very cool |
| 22:06.16 | lh | your blog post is inaccurate, the deadline has not been extended |
| 22:06.20 | lh | please fix. like now. :) |
| 22:06.20 | gchaix | lh: pong! |
| 22:06.27 | lh | gchaix: ^^ |
| 22:06.28 | lh | :) |
| 22:06.29 | gchaix | Whoops! |
| 22:06.32 | gchaix | no prob |
| 22:06.42 | ThomasWaldmann | moin everybody :) |
| 22:06.44 | lh | gchaix: merci |
| 22:06.49 | summatusmentis | hi ThomasWaldmann |
| 22:06.51 | lh | ThomasWaldmann: greetings. :) |
| 22:07.20 | kblin | !extension |
| 22:07.20 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
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| 22:07.24 | kblin | gchaix: ^^^ |
| 22:07.26 | kblin | ;) |
| 22:07.36 | lh | ^5s kblin |
| 22:07.43 | warren | lh: I'm a little confused. I wrote a specification and several students expressed interest in doing it. I told them "you're in competition". Are they supposed to file the same proposals and I just pick one of them? |
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| 22:07.46 | ThomasWaldmann | preannouncing extensions is no good for last minute players :) |
| 22:07.48 | gchaix | me == idiot. reading comprehension FAIL |
| 22:07.53 | Mkop2 | !timeline |
| 22:07.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:07.55 | Mkop2 | !faq |
| 22:07.55 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 22:07.57 | scorche | heh...the first time i read that, my mind skipped over the word not >_< |
| 22:08.01 | lh | warren: i am sorry, i need more context here |
| 22:08.31 | warren | lh: https://fedorahosted.org/InstantMirror/ I wrote this specification. Several students are interested in doing it. |
| 22:08.55 | ThomasWaldmann | pity that ubuntu left |
| 22:09.12 | summatusmentis | ThomasWaldmann: you're not the first person to express those sentiments :) |
| 22:09.19 | warren | lh: I told them "show your leadership by starting the suggested research and prototyping and posting your results to the list", and the students are in competition to be the chosen student. |
| 22:09.47 | warren | lh: so normally students file applications that they write themselves that are the proposals? |
| 22:09.58 | ThomasWaldmann | uses debian on servers usually, but is quite happy with the ease of use of ubuntu on laptops and PCs |
| 22:10.19 | warren | "ubuntu left"? |
| 22:10.31 | summatusmentis | Ubuntu applied, and then withhdrew |
| 22:10.34 | summatusmentis | !ubuntu |
| 22:10.34 | socinfo | "ubuntu" is Ubuntu had applied and was accepted, but they have subsequently chosen not to participate in GSoC 2009 |
| 22:10.36 | rkatiyar | warren: ubuntu was selected as mentoring org but then withdrew |
| 22:10.42 | lh | warren: people do both. it's up to you |
| 22:10.48 | warren | lh: ah, thanks. |
| 22:11.08 | lh | i think what you are doing now works, but make sure all of them file their proposals in the web application. it should be made clear that only one will possibly be selected |
| 22:11.34 | warren | lh: ok |
| 22:12.03 | ThomasWaldmann | hmm, maybe debian could get some more slots then. it will end up in ubuntu somehow then, too. :D |
| 22:12.24 | rohananil | !deadline |
| 22:12.24 | socinfo | Error: "deadline" is not a valid command. |
| 22:12.34 | rohananil | !timeline |
| 22:12.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:12.38 | summatusmentis | ThomasWaldmann: that's not really how slots are allocated :-D |
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| 22:13.32 | summatusmentis | also, I'd argue at this point that Ubuntu and Debian are different enough animals that if you want something in Ubuntu, you shouldn't try and go through Debian |
| 22:13.43 | summatusmentis | (unless you also want it in debian) :-D |
| 22:13.55 | warren | If you want something in Ubuntu, put it in Fedora... |
| 22:14.02 | ThomasWaldmann | summatusmentis: well, if students were interested in ubuntu, they maybe apply to debian now, making it more popular. and more popular means more slots, right? (assuming there are enough mentors) |
| 22:14.11 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 22:14.12 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 22:14.46 | rohananil | how about adding another organization ? :) |
| 22:14.53 | rohananil | ducks |
| 22:14.59 | ThomasWaldmann | hehe |
| 22:15.07 | dberkholz | if you want something anywhere, just have a good idea and do it. if it's that great, people will use it. |
| 22:15.35 | warren | lh: the deadline for applications is actually "*now*"? |
| 22:15.45 | summatusmentis | warren: friday |
| 22:15.47 | warren | dberkholz: I was making a joke. |
| 22:16.11 | dberkholz | guess i missed the humor |
| 22:16.20 | dberkholz | i pull stuff from fedora all the time, if it's any good |
| 22:16.21 | ThomasWaldmann | friday is the soc app ddos test :) |
| 22:16.42 | summatusmentis | right, obviously if you have it, get it in before :-D |
| 22:16.54 | dberkholz | no shame in admitting to the good work of others =) |
| 22:17.43 | ThomasWaldmann | (it won't be as bad as when M$ did their win7 beta download, though :) |
| 22:18.07 | summatusmentis | we don't actually know that :-D |
| 22:18.18 | rohananil | tommorow is april's fools day , anything going to special on the channel ? :D |
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| 22:18.43 | ThomasWaldmann | summatusmentis: each applying student will download a dvd full of stuff? :) |
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| 22:18.57 | summatusmentis | ThomasWaldmann: nope, that's a valid point |
| 22:19.22 | summatusmentis | I mean, unless that's actually how you say "final submission" in melange |
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| 22:20.05 | ThomasWaldmann | rohananil: it's today! :) |
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| 22:20.58 | ThomasWaldmann | or, if we standardize on UTC: in 1h 40mins |
| 22:21.51 | BarryCarlyon | In 1hr 40 it will be 11pm UTC |
| 22:22.33 | ThomasWaldmann | BarryCarlyon: sure? |
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| 22:22.59 | BarryCarlyon | Yes. |
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| 22:23.12 | BarryCarlyon | In 1hr 40 it will be 12pm/midnight BST |
| 22:23.12 | Mkop2 | no |
| 22:23.18 | kblin | er |
| 22:23.19 | kblin | no |
| 22:23.22 | BarryCarlyon | UTC doesnt change does it? |
| 22:23.31 | Mkop2 | UTC doesn't change with DST |
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| 22:23.38 | kblin | it doesn't |
| 22:23.45 | BarryCarlyon | Therefore it will be 11pm in 1hour 35mins. |
| 22:23.49 | BarryCarlyon | UTC |
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| 22:23.51 | Ivanovic | no |
| 22:24.03 | BarryCarlyon | What do you mean no |
| 22:24.10 | Ivanovic | germany is (without daylight saving) one hour in front of utc |
| 22:24.13 | BarryCarlyon | Im looking at my clock, its says 11:35pm |
| 22:24.17 | Ivanovic | with daylight saving it is +2h |
| 22:24.25 | ThomasWaldmann | BarryCarlyon: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx |
| 22:24.28 | BarryCarlyon | SO it will be 11pm UTC in 25mins |
| 22:24.28 | Ivanovic | in germany it is atm 00:24 |
| 22:24.35 | BarryCarlyon | Ha misread |
| 22:24.48 | Mkop2 | in 1:35 it will be 8:00 PM EDT, which is UTC-4 |
| 22:25.00 | rohananil | hehe, we are planning to put up a notice about a disciplinary action 25k fine on one of my friends on the hostel noticeboard , for tommorow *Evil Grin* |
| 22:25.26 | BarryCarlyon | It 1hr 35 it will be midnigth yes? |
| 22:25.32 | BarryCarlyon | o.0 |
| 22:25.40 | Mkop2 | yes. |
| 22:25.47 | BarryCarlyon | I forgot to add the hour |
| 22:25.49 | BarryCarlyon | rofl |
| 22:26.19 | ThomasWaldmann | for april fool's joke how about: "usually the application deadline is extended to give more students a chance to participate. due to the global economic crisis, we have to do a negative extension this time: you need to submit until 23:59!" |
| 22:26.52 | BarryCarlyon | NOOOOOOO |
| 22:27.08 | ThomasWaldmann | :D |
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| 22:28.32 | schumaml | this would increase the number of (poor) applications submitted until that deadline, for sure |
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| 22:28.59 | mata_ | is away: Gone away for now |
| 22:31.51 | mata_ | is back. |
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| 22:33.49 | macduyhai | hi, I'm slightly confusd |
| 22:33.59 | macduyhai | is there a difference between application and proposal? |
| 22:34.01 | Gamara | ugh, what's the svncommand for setting content-type |
| 22:34.09 | Gamara | Cripes, that's probably in the faq... |
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| 22:34.26 | arun_ | macduyhai, the terms are used interchangeably. |
| 22:34.38 | Gamara | n/m found it |
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| 22:34.48 | Arc | how many student apps have other projects seen so far? |
| 22:34.58 | ThomasWaldmann | 3 |
| 22:35.27 | BarryCarlyon | is still consider who/what to apply for |
| 22:35.32 | Arc | PSF had a total of around 150 last year, IIRC about 30% of those were in the last 24 hours, we currently only have 17 |
| 22:35.40 | ThomasWaldmann | Arc: don't wonder if you got none or a few only. most students do last-minute... |
| 22:35.41 | macduyhai | thank you arun_, it's just in faq it says "your application should include: your project proposal, (bunch of other stuff)" |
| 22:35.54 | Arc | ThomasWaldmann: well not "most" but a lot, yes |
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| 22:36.20 | gpolo | I can hear the student timeline being expanded, again |
| 22:36.23 | Arc | this is my fourth year mentoring for SoC, first year as admin |
| 22:36.33 | Arc | ive never seen so few applications |
| 22:36.50 | Arc | IIRC in 2007 we had 20 apps in the first 24 hours |
| 22:37.08 | ThomasWaldmann | maybe it depends a bit on the given ideas |
| 22:37.40 | ThomasWaldmann | moin tried to not give ideas too verbosely, so you could not just c&p the stuff into a proposal |
| 22:38.01 | freebsd-brooks | Arc: we're in a pretty similar postion at freebsd |
| 22:38.13 | Arc | freebsd-brooks: good but sorry to hear |
| 22:38.19 | ThomasWaldmann | that likely means we get less, but better apps, because people really have to think about and investigate stuff before writing their proposal. |
| 22:38.40 | Arc | ive been somewhat afraid that encouraging students to talk to a mentor before submitting is what's caused the much lower application rate |
| 22:39.05 | anothy_x | the interesting thing i've seen, though, is that in 2007, by this time we had maybe 3.5x the number of apps, but a good 20% were spam and an additional 10% were simply really, really poor quality. |
| 22:39.05 | freebsd-brooks | it's 80-90% good apps, but still seems odd |
| 22:39.15 | anothy_x | i've seen no spam apps so far, only one really poor quality one. |
| 22:39.27 | freebsd-brooks | I'd have thought we'd see more apps with the economy... |
| 22:39.44 | ThomasWaldmann | maybe SOME spammers learn from experience :D |
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| 22:40.54 | ThomasWaldmann | and maybe even the html TD background colour based vi*gr* spammer will learn that white on white doesn't display THAT well, some day... |
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| 22:41.29 | ThomasWaldmann | moin dimazest :) |
| 22:41.40 | dimazest | hi |
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| 22:43.02 | dimazest | interesting numbers |
| 22:43.39 | Arc | a bit worrying that summer of code is becoming less competitive |
| 22:43.41 | dimazest | it is strange that less people participate this year |
| 22:44.24 | hcube | hi! i'd like to sublit a proposal to gsoc2009 but in parallel i also would like to sublit the same proposal to a different progam too (JaneStreetSummer). Can i do this? |
| 22:44.29 | scorche | sighs at another use of the word "competitive" |
| 22:45.15 | ThomasWaldmann | hcube: students can submit to multiple orgs within soc program, too |
| 22:45.37 | ThomasWaldmann | so if you get chosen by both, you'll have to tell what you want |
| 22:46.06 | ankitg | Arc: which organization are you administrating, if I may ask? |
| 22:46.12 | Arc | PSF |
| 22:46.21 | hcube | i mean differrent program not different org |
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| 22:46.47 | hcube | janestreet summer is a similar program to gsoc |
| 22:46.48 | ThomasWaldmann | hcube: that's almost the same, except that SOC software won't autodetect the conflict |
| 22:47.05 | Arc | we have something like 20 sub-projects umbrella'ed and fewer apps currently |
| 22:47.08 | BarryCarlyon | I'm still having fun finding something webby to do.... |
| 22:47.58 | ThomasWaldmann | hcube: so, if you do that, YOU would need to be telling if there is some conflict. |
| 22:48.43 | ThomasWaldmann | but to make sure, better ask someone from google. |
| 22:48.54 | hcube | ok, thanks |
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| 23:05.53 | killerchicken | Hey, I just tried to apply for EFF/Tor |
| 23:06.03 | killerchicken | I submitted my application, all I got in response was a 500 Server Error |
| 23:06.35 | killerchicken | Reloading the page or going back in my browser's history gives the same error |
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| 23:08.53 | killerchicken | heh. works now |
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| 23:25.48 | ruturaj | /join #mysql-dev |
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| 23:27.19 | straydawg | ruturaj: BOM yourself |
| 23:27.21 | straydawg | ;) |
| 23:28.09 | straydawg | (\ufeff) |
| 23:28.38 | ruturaj | :-| |
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| 23:42.54 | Ryan52 | !next |
| 23:42.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 23:53.50 | sandy|lurk | If I reject a mentor application, does that mentor get any sort of notification of being rejected? |
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