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| 00:08.04 | omniter | curious... there's 480 people here... what are they even doing here? i mean only like 20 of us talk at all. |
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| 00:08.37 | AndyTim | The rest of us are robots, programmed with minimal AI. |
| 00:08.43 | omniter | ah |
| 00:08.46 | ojwb | they're logging your every word to use it against you later... |
| 00:10.04 | omniter | darn |
| 00:10.14 | dampflames | Waiting for a sparkle of intuition |
| 00:10.40 | kpreid | they could be sitting around hoping for useful information to pass by |
| 00:11.02 | edufelipe | I'm finishing up my proposal, and looking for some inspiration... |
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| 00:11.22 | edufelipe | Am I too late? |
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| 00:11.40 | edufelipe | I mean, some projects don't like, but is it too late to apply |
| 00:11.41 | edufelipe | ? |
| 00:12.04 | AndyTim | !next |
| 00:12.04 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 00:12.05 | Sairus101 | Well, I'm fairly certain I'm too late to join this boat anyways |
| 00:12.22 | Sairus101 | Thanks for the help guys anyways. Good luck to y'all who are entering. |
| 00:12.26 | ojwb | it's not too late |
| 00:12.29 | omniter | edufelipe, what kind of inspiration |
| 00:12.30 | the9a3eedi | not too late |
| 00:12.35 | ojwb | but you'll need to get on with it |
| 00:12.37 | omniter | Sairus101, it's not too late! do it! |
| 00:12.52 | the9a3eedi | JUST PLUCKING DO IT, |
| 00:12.53 | Sairus101 | It's 0100 here. I've got to get up for work in 6 hours. |
| 00:13.02 | edufelipe | I've got my proposal to around 1500 words... What about that? Is it a good size? Tell me about yours... |
| 00:13.11 | ojwb | Sairus101: ok, it's too late! |
| 00:13.14 | Sairus101 | XD |
| 00:13.21 | icez | edufelipe, quality not quantity :[ |
| 00:13.25 | the9a3eedi | ojwb, reverse psychology? :P |
| 00:13.30 | ojwb | well, partly |
| 00:13.34 | the9a3eedi | lol |
| 00:13.42 | Sairus101 | Anyways, I'm out. Catch y'all... eventually |
| 00:13.50 | ojwb | edufelipe: it depends on the project really |
| 00:13.56 | edufelipe | I know quality not quantity, but some projects have a mininum. |
| 00:14.03 | ojwb | and some orgs will want more detail that others |
| 00:14.18 | rizzo_ | hi, I'm applying for a project on, www.linuxfoundation.org, and it says to join the source repository for the project and ask for help if you don't know,, guess what, I don't know,, can someone help me out the project repo is http://bzr.openprinting.org/misc/lporg-site-devel, however I'm pretty new to this |
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| 00:14.35 | ojwb | the key things for me are a timeline broken down into pieces which I (and you) can understand |
| 00:14.42 | the9a3eedi | man, I'm worried. I haven't been spending enough time researching projects and stuff. I was extremely busy these past 2 weeks due to university work. Now I don't know if I can show them I'm competent enoguh for GSoC |
| 00:14.43 | ojwb | and with actual dates on it |
| 00:15.10 | rizzo_ | the9a3eedi: i'm in the same boat, however it doesn't hurt to spent a few hours and try |
| 00:15.20 | edufelipe | Oh, I haven't put dates on it! I did estimate the effort, but did not create a timeline. |
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| 00:15.23 | edufelipe | Thanks! |
| 00:15.24 | the9a3eedi | rizzo_, glad to see I'm not the only one. it makes me feel better :P |
| 00:15.24 | ojwb | and evidence that you've actually looked at the project, not just pasted stuff from the ideas list, etc |
| 00:15.45 | ojwb | it's good to try to produce "deliverables" regularly too |
| 00:15.52 | ojwb | especially some before the midterm |
| 00:15.57 | omniter | i just put week 1 - week 12. instead of dates. is that okay? |
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| 00:16.06 | the9a3eedi | I was thinking, for "GUI frontend"-type projects, it would be nice to make a rough sketch of what the GUI would look like |
| 00:16.16 | ojwb | there's good and bad points both ways - i think either is ok |
| 00:16.34 | edufelipe | Ok, thanks a lot for the help. |
| 00:16.43 | ojwb | and don't leave all the testing and documentation until the end as I've seen several people do |
| 00:17.19 | ojwb | it'll be an awful few weeks, or you'll overrun and produce an undocumented and untested project which we can't easily assess |
| 00:17.45 | omniter | i test as i go. i put it on the schedule too |
| 00:17.46 | ojwb | if everything takes longer, it's better if there's something useful at the end still |
| 00:18.04 | the9a3eedi | is it alright to take 1 or 2 university courses during the entire summer? |
| 00:18.08 | the9a3eedi | if I joined GSoC that is |
| 00:18.12 | the9a3eedi | its just 1 or 2 :P |
| 00:18.16 | omniter | in fact, i have a whole period somewhere in the middle dedicated to rigorous testing |
| 00:18.21 | ojwb | that's up to the org, but you should tell them |
| 00:18.30 | schumaml | the9a3eedi: some orgs do expect fulltime work on the project |
| 00:18.30 | ojwb | a few hours a week probably isn't a problem |
| 00:18.44 | ojwb | if it's a couple of days, it may be |
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| 00:19.59 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. is it wise to brag about your grades in your proposal? |
| 00:20.10 | ojwb | many projects like comprehensive testsuites for all features |
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| 00:20.12 | the9a3eedi | in its own section.. the "about me" section, of course |
| 00:20.33 | ojwb | it may not mean a lot to mentors in other countries |
| 00:20.44 | ojwb | if you told me your GPA, I'd have no idea what it meant |
| 00:20.52 | the9a3eedi | my gpa is horrible :p |
| 00:21.02 | the9a3eedi | it's just htat I got straight A's in my programming classes |
| 00:21.05 | ojwb | I don't even know if higher or lower is better |
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| 00:21.24 | omniter | if you know your rank, i guess that would be meaningful |
| 00:21.34 | the9a3eedi | yeah, that's all I can brag about, unfortunately :P |
| 00:21.35 | ojwb | for me, a link to something you wrote I can look at is probably more convincing |
| 00:21.52 | aluink | crunchtime folks...everyone got their proposals all finalized? |
| 00:21.53 | the9a3eedi | ojwb, I was thinking of linking to one of my assignment submissions |
| 00:21.58 | ojwb | programming assignments at uni tend to be artificial |
| 00:22.05 | omniter | aluink, done. just waiting now. :D |
| 00:22.11 | ojwb | yeah, show em the code |
| 00:22.13 | the9a3eedi | aluink, I haven't even started :( |
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| 00:22.37 | the9a3eedi | ojwb, yeah, thats what I was thinking. it's a bit too.. "Set up" .. to be bragging about it |
| 00:22.39 | omniter | the9a3eedi, programming assignments are a no-no. |
| 00:22.45 | the9a3eedi | but it could help indicate "coding style" maybe |
| 00:22.52 | the9a3eedi | omniter: hmm ok |
| 00:22.58 | omniter | well unis have requirements for style anyway |
| 00:23.10 | the9a3eedi | the only personal coding I've done other than assignments.. is a silly little java program that pops up windows randomly everywhere :p |
| 00:23.16 | the9a3eedi | just to piss you off |
| 00:23.17 | ojwb | if you've sent any patches or bug reports to projects before, that's certainly interesting |
| 00:23.38 | rizzo_ | anyone applying for a KDE project, theres no explicit instructions on how to apply on the site, can someone throw me a bone? |
| 00:23.39 | the9a3eedi | I did it in order to get familiar with Eclipse |
| 00:23.47 | omniter | the9a3eedi, wuh... that's all? |
| 00:24.03 | omniter | assignments aren't even considered "personal coding" |
| 00:24.17 | omniter | so the only personal coding you've done is a window spammer? =\ |
| 00:24.23 | the9a3eedi | omniter, I was also working on a program that generates sound waves. Unfortunately, all my files are gone .____. ... It was on a virtual machine, and I accidentally reverted to an earlier snapshot |
| 00:24.38 | icez | aw |
| 00:24.47 | the9a3eedi | yeah, sucks :( |
| 00:25.10 | edufelipe | the9a3eedi: Classical dog ate my homework, hehehe |
| 00:25.36 | the9a3eedi | edufelipe, its not what you think. I really worked hard on it :P |
| 00:26.17 | the9a3eedi | I managed to get it to generate unsigned 16bit raw sawtooth sounds of a given frequency |
| 00:26.48 | the9a3eedi | given, as in you give the program the frequency you want |
| 00:26.53 | the9a3eedi | also the sample rate |
| 00:27.43 | the9a3eedi | but its all gone now. I was quite pissed :P |
| 00:28.13 | the9a3eedi | anyways, other than assignments and a window spammer, I haven't got much to offer :P .. |
| 00:28.35 | kpreid | rizzo_: apply through the gsoc site (first sign up and fill out your profile), and use the application template they provide (http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/kde ) |
| 00:28.38 | the9a3eedi | oh, and the window spammer displays an image. of a face. the "yaranaika" face if anybody knows |
| 00:28.47 | omniter | if that's all you got, then you don't really have much of a choice. just show that. |
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| 00:29.25 | the9a3eedi | but it's in Java, and I wanted to join C/C++ related projects :( |
| 00:29.28 | Mkop2 | !timeline |
| 00:29.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 00:30.24 | omniter | the9a3eedi, if you don't even know C/C++ and you wanna join a C/C++ related project, honestly speaking, you don't stand a chance. |
| 00:30.33 | aluink | omniter: yeah, i'm pretty much done also, had some devs from my project have a look, things are optimistic |
| 00:30.52 | omniter | aluink, same. :) |
| 00:30.56 | omniter | you apply to 1? or more |
| 00:31.01 | aluink | the9a3eedi: i hope you've at least hashed it all out...cutting it pretty close to be able to put together something intelligent |
| 00:31.07 | aluink | omniter: just one |
| 00:31.20 | omniter | same. which org? |
| 00:32.46 | the9a3eedi | omniter, I _do_ know C/C++.. I just dont have anything to prove that I do :P apart from maybe a universty transcript or something |
| 00:33.10 | omniter | oh. |
| 00:34.15 | ojwb | wonders why some people find "application template" a hard concept to grasp |
| 00:34.59 | ojwb | if you can really provide a better structure that covers all the bases, that's cool with me, but most can't |
| 00:35.04 | omniter | well... it's gonna be kind of hard to convince an org of not only your skills but also your commitment and enthusiasm for open source, if you can't show them some personal work. |
| 00:35.21 | omniter | but just show them your java work, then let them know you know C++ |
| 00:36.12 | omniter | you don't have to prove it or anything. but you gotta say more than "i know C++". tell them what courses you took, and for how long. |
| 00:36.32 | the9a3eedi | yeah, that's all I got >_< |
| 00:36.34 | omniter | and which concepts were covered in those courses, aside from the very basic ones. |
| 00:37.20 | the9a3eedi | I took an entire semester course on C++ |
| 00:37.23 | the9a3eedi | and C |
| 00:37.35 | omniter | for example, if you covered polymorphism, multiple inheritance, design patterns, that might be worth mentioning. saying you know about "classes" and "pointers" won't cut it, i'm afraid. |
| 00:37.52 | the9a3eedi | omniter, yup. I covered that. |
| 00:37.58 | omniter | and knowledge in the STL and boost are a plus |
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| 00:38.33 | rizzo_ | kpreid: thank you |
| 00:38.41 | the9a3eedi | also taken an entire course on GUI's and stuff (but it wasin Java, so yeah) |
| 00:38.59 | omniter | lol swing? :p |
| 00:39.04 | the9a3eedi | I'm also personally following a qt4 tutorial. |
| 00:39.07 | the9a3eedi | omniter, yeah >_< |
| 00:39.10 | omniter | hahahahaha |
| 00:39.14 | the9a3eedi | fracking GRidBagLayout |
| 00:39.30 | omniter | which org are you applying to anyway |
| 00:39.41 | the9a3eedi | was thinking Amarok, mainly |
| 00:39.48 | the9a3eedi | they had an idea.. about playlist sorting |
| 00:39.59 | the9a3eedi | and I could brag that I also know about sorting algorithms |
| 00:40.08 | the9a3eedi | since I took a course in it |
| 00:40.15 | omniter | ... sorting algorithms? |
| 00:40.28 | ojwb | tell me more about these "pointers" you speak of |
| 00:40.30 | omniter | like quick, bubble, selection, etc.? |
| 00:40.32 | alexstre^ | bubble sort baby |
| 00:40.38 | the9a3eedi | yeah |
| 00:40.42 | omniter | that's nothing to brag about =\ |
| 00:40.51 | the9a3eedi | merge sort |
| 00:40.53 | the9a3eedi | heap sort? |
| 00:41.00 | kpreid | the9a3eedi: you need some experience. gobs of experience. |
| 00:41.10 | the9a3eedi | kpreid, I was hoping I'd get some from GSoC |
| 00:41.41 | omniter | this is the kind of experience you can only get your hands on if you already have more experience |
| 00:41.52 | omniter | other* not more |
| 00:42.22 | the9a3eedi | I feel discouraged :( |
| 00:43.15 | pcmattman | write an OS, i've found that does wonders for your programming skills :P |
| 00:43.15 | omniter | it's like tryin to get laid with a really hot MILF but you're still a virgin. |
| 00:43.15 | the9a3eedi | meh, I'll apply the best I can anyway. if i dont get accepted. it's time to learn how to write bugfixes :P |
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| 00:43.15 | p_l | the9a3eedi: it's fracking till you are forced to do GUIs with LayoutManager=null; >:| |
| 00:43.15 | pcmattman | </humour> |
| 00:43.15 | edufelipe | I just don't know about the timing for this. Here in Brasil is the middle of a semester. And I'm taking 5 (relatively easy) classes. |
| 00:43.16 | icez | pcmattman, i agree :] |
| 00:43.41 | edufelipe | pcmattman: Ditto. And a compiler. One that generates assembly. |
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| 00:43.53 | p_l | pcmattman: I have it on my agenda. After I finish my architecture design for the machine it will run on :> |
| 00:43.57 | pcmattman | or, write an open source OS with someone else and get them to be your mentor for GSoC ;) |
| 00:44.54 | omniter | ah... i remember the good old days... learning programming for the first time... getting my first compiler was like getting my first car... |
| 00:44.56 | the9a3eedi | p_l: tbh, I think I prefer null layout :P |
| 00:45.10 | omniter | though i still haven't gotten my first car. =\ |
| 00:45.13 | pcmattman | edufelipe: yeah, i'm still getting around to the compiler thing... i'll probably write a compiler to run on my OS |
| 00:45.40 | p_l | omniter: I consider flying superior to driving :D |
| 00:45.55 | pcmattman | and i consider teleportation superior to all other forms of transport ;) |
| 00:45.55 | omniter | p_l, what, you have your own jet? =\ |
| 00:46.17 | p_l | omniter: not jet, ... not yet ;-) |
| 00:46.23 | the9a3eedi | walking > all you mentioned. I lose weight, you dont :P |
| 00:46.34 | omniter | that's because you gain weight. we don't |
| 00:46.44 | omniter | :D |
| 00:46.50 | the9a3eedi | too shay |
| 00:47.05 | getxsick | what should i do in public name? my nickname or rather real name? |
| 00:47.11 | pcmattman | mate, if my teleporter doesn't reconstruct right i can *REALLY* shed the pounds! |
| 00:47.17 | edufelipe | Aaaaaaaaand the conversation lost focus. |
| 00:47.22 | p_l | the9a3eedi: try not to lose weight when you hear "don't worry, we will takeoff before he lands" when you are on last leg before final on a glider in bad weather :P |
| 00:47.53 | edufelipe | getxsick: I put real name. |
| 00:48.08 | omniter | man, firefox certainly takes a while to start up |
| 00:48.17 | getxsick | well i did the same, i tried to go to roles sections but it says that i don't have any roles ;-) |
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| 00:48.34 | p_l | omniter: just remember to reset it before it crashes your vm :) |
| 00:48.45 | omniter | what vm? =\ |
| 00:49.06 | p_l | omniter: Virtual Memory |
| 00:49.16 | omniter | oh i thought you meant virtual machine |
| 00:49.27 | omniter | firefox crashes my vm?! |
| 00:49.28 | omniter | :S |
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| 00:50.22 | pcmattman | not crashes, just uses excessively huge amounts of it |
| 00:50.26 | p_l | omniter: mine did it after reaching 1.6G resident memory usage, on a 1.5G machine... which had a Solaris VM running in VBox for development running alongside it |
| 00:50.37 | omniter | .... holy shit |
| 00:50.46 | omniter | fuck this. i'm switching back to opera then =\ |
| 00:50.47 | pcmattman | that's why i use chrome <3 |
| 00:50.59 | omniter | oh is chrome good? |
| 00:51.04 | pcmattman | depends |
| 00:51.11 | p_l | simply uses Windows ME style maintenance for firefox |
| 00:51.26 | pcmattman | do you like a fast, effective browser that doesn't die when one tab crashes? |
| 00:51.28 | ojwb | it's good if you have windows |
| 00:51.34 | pcmattman | one that integrates great in windows? |
| 00:51.41 | homunq | bets that, if the deadline were extended for a matter of 5-7 hours, Sugar Labs could get 1 more good proposal in that time. |
| 00:51.44 | ojwb | from my limited experience on an machine at the local library |
| 00:51.47 | pcmattman | is not affiliated with google at all, btw |
| 00:52.04 | omniter | homunq, why is that? |
| 00:52.32 | ojwb | homunq: I suspect quite a few projects would, but it's not like the deadline is a sudden imposition |
| 00:52.35 | homunq | we just got a good student with an idea that will probably not be ready in the time left. |
| 00:52.41 | p_l | yeah, chromium still sucks on linux, having to use it through winelibs |
| 00:52.45 | homunq | ojwb: you're right. |
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| 00:52.58 | ojwb | get them to submit what they have if you think they're good enough |
| 00:53.19 | ojwb | would worry a little that the deadline issues will recur through the project |
| 00:53.27 | ojwb | my student last year was like that |
| 00:53.29 | p_l | homunq: couldn't he/she turn in partially finished proposal, since you already knew rest? |
| 00:53.33 | the9a3eedi | p_l: windows ME style maintainence? |
| 00:53.43 | ojwb | worked out ok overall, but she could have achieved a lot more |
| 00:53.49 | p_l | the9a3eedi: restart often |
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| 00:55.29 | omniter | the google chrome logo looks like the logo for a really infantile metroid game... |
| 00:55.41 | omniter | http://www.devicedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/google-chrome.jpg |
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| 00:57.28 | p_l | ROTFL @ "Your antivirus doesn't appear to be working" from Chrome... on Linux |
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| 01:05.11 | ab3 | where must I send my application for gsoc |
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| 01:05.43 | ab3 | must I send it to google or the project? |
| 01:05.57 | getxsick | google |
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| 01:06.18 | lifo | Hey, how do you mentors keep track of application updates ? |
| 01:07.22 | ab3 | k |
| 01:07.27 | ojwb | ab3: the link is here: |
| 01:07.30 | ojwb | !next |
| 01:07.30 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 01:07.46 | lifo | I don't want to go through 32 apps everyday just to check if there's an update :( |
| 01:07.50 | ojwb | you need to create an account, then find the "submit application" link on the left |
| 01:07.58 | ojwb | you can subscribe to updates |
| 01:08.08 | lifo | how ? |
| 01:08.16 | ojwb | buttons at the top of each app |
| 01:08.29 | ojwb | but clunky |
| 01:08.31 | ojwb | but works |
| 01:08.34 | lifo | Ah so I'll need to press 64 buttons :) |
| 01:08.37 | lifo | Nice |
| 01:08.39 | ojwb | then it tells you in the notifications thing |
| 01:08.48 | ojwb | yeah, it's better if you do it as you go! |
| 01:08.53 | lifo | yeah I guess |
| 01:09.02 | lifo | thanks for the help! |
| 01:09.13 | ojwb | you can look at the dates, but I think that may only be for the app text changing |
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| 01:15.22 | edufelipe | ojwb: Can I submit two proposals for the same project? |
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| 01:15.36 | lifo | you can submit upto 300 iirc |
| 01:17.07 | vinc456 | can a proposal be edited after april 3rd? |
| 01:17.11 | ojwb | no, up to 20 |
| 01:17.22 | ojwb | you can submit 2 to the same organisation |
| 01:17.28 | ojwb | or as many as you like |
| 01:17.32 | ojwb | but I'd ask first |
| 01:17.52 | ojwb | they'll probably (especially this late) be able to recommend one over the other |
| 01:18.14 | ojwb | vinc456: currently no changes to the text after april 3rd, only comment |
| 01:18.16 | ojwb | comments |
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| 01:18.37 | gpolo | don't you get "one edit" after receiving a comment ? |
| 01:18.43 | ojwb | apparently they're working on allowing mentors to press a button to allow an update to the text, but it wasn't clear to me when that would be ready |
| 01:18.47 | ojwb | gpolo: last year year |
| 01:18.54 | ojwb | not currently in the new software |
| 01:18.56 | koryk | !next |
| 01:18.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 01:19.13 | ojwb | if you want to know more, ask on #melange I guess |
| 01:19.18 | lifo | The entire gsoc app seems fubar |
| 01:19.32 | ojwb | it has some rough edges |
| 01:19.36 | ojwb | but it is really new |
| 01:19.51 | lifo | Well, it could be done 100x better |
| 01:19.53 | ojwb | it would be more constructive to report bugs/suggest improvements |
| 01:20.03 | ojwb | lifo: ok, apply to melange to work on it for gsoc then |
| 01:20.20 | lifo | I'd rather rewrite it than work on 150k lines of python :) |
| 01:20.20 | ojwb | put google's money where your mouth is! |
| 01:20.39 | lifo | Plus, I'm not a student :( |
| 01:20.59 | ojwb | you could enroll |
| 01:21.19 | icez | go back to school just for melange, i'm sure that'd look nice in a proposal :P |
| 01:21.54 | lifo | Only if I had that level of emotional attachment to a software I don't like ;) |
| 01:23.04 | icez | melange has worked perfectly as far as I've seen it |
| 01:23.13 | lifo | Yeah well, you haven't seen enough |
| 01:24.25 | icez | and considering you haven't applied you have?:P |
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| 01:25.28 | lifo | I'm mentoring. Anyways, doesn't sound like related people are open to any (constructive) criticism. So, whatever. |
| 01:26.00 | koryk | I just submitted my proposal!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:26.07 | lifo | congrats! |
| 01:26.10 | Phrozn | grats :) |
| 01:26.12 | koryk | now I sit... and wait |
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| 01:26.42 | koryk | any1 play dota (off subject sry -.-)? |
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| 01:30.14 | edufelipe | Oh man, The freaking proposal textarea is putting everything I write in bold! |
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| 01:31.32 | ojwb | lifo: "I'd rather rewrite it" isn't very constructive criticism in my book |
| 01:31.40 | ojwb | at least until the rewrite appears |
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| 01:33.09 | edufelipe | Safari bug... Switched back to firefox just to format the damn thing. |
| 01:33.50 | p_l | great. just found I got 0 for an assignment that was the main cause of me not having my proposals done already, just because of missing some stupid email.. |
| 01:36.09 | sefaklc | Hello, I have heard that application deadline could be postponed. Is there such a thing? |
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| 01:36.18 | ojwb | !extension |
| 01:36.19 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 01:36.25 | LAZy_BOy | !owned |
| 01:36.25 | socinfo | Error: "owned" is not a valid command. |
| 01:36.29 | MattDanger | lawl |
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| 01:37.36 | p_l | sefaklc: for every such question, the deadline gets earlier. Those who didn't ask for extension get RoE codes. Good luck on the battle field, i hope you like hard radiation :-) |
| 01:39.01 | ojwb | !owned |
| 01:39.01 | socinfo | "owned" is LAZy_BOy is my bitch |
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| 01:39.24 | LAZy_BOy | very nice:) |
| 01:39.46 | vinc456 | !slots |
| 01:39.46 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 01:40.28 | p_l | would really like to get those RoE codes... :> |
| 01:40.56 | p_l | like every sysadmin, I guess :P |
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| 01:44.43 | anothy_x | now that we're inside the 24 hour mark, our average quality is dropping significantly. anyone else seeing similar? |
| 01:46.14 | MattDanger | anothy_x: it's the "4th and long" for some students I guess |
| 01:46.34 | rizzo_ | i submitted a student proposal, and sent emails to a few mentor organizations, are the emails official applications? |
| 01:47.06 | anothy_x | nope. only things in the actual web app. |
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| 01:47.23 | ojwb | we're not getting a high enough rate of new submissions to really say |
| 01:47.49 | ojwb | if there's not an application in the web app for an org at the deadline, you can't get a place with them |
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| 01:56.34 | Phrozn | !timeline |
| 01:56.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 02:00.01 | Dragonxue | Hi, I want to ask the limitation of length of proposal ,thanks? the maximum... |
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| 02:00.38 | ojwb | there isn't one |
| 02:00.51 | ojwb | but keep it sane |
| 02:01.00 | Dragonxue | so it means any length is ok,right? |
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| 02:01.41 | summatusmentis | any length so long as it's within technical limits, yes |
| 02:01.46 | rizzo_ | ok i submitted three proposals, anyone have an idea of the chances of any getting accepted? |
| 02:02.30 | Dragonxue | summatusmentis: thanks!:) |
| 02:02.54 | summatusmentis | Dragonxue: heh, sure thing |
| 02:03.20 | gpolo | rizzo_: n% of chances |
| 02:03.29 | dampflames | It depends... I know some places get like 80 applications and some 300... And some less or more. |
| 02:04.06 | rizzo_ | we'll gl to all, i'm tired |
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| 02:07.21 | makmanalp | just curious, how much in total did people write per proposal? |
| 02:08.00 | summatusmentis | mine was... 1393 words? |
| 02:08.19 | makmanalp | ah, sounds about right |
| 02:08.24 | Phrozn | mine was like 2500 |
| 02:08.34 | gpolo | is there a counter when submitting it ? |
| 02:08.40 | edufelipe | 1250. |
| 02:08.41 | makmanalp | i don't think so |
| 02:08.49 | edufelipe | A little short, I guess. |
| 02:08.50 | makmanalp | Phrozn: where'd you apply? |
| 02:09.06 | summatusmentis | gpolo: no |
| 02:09.09 | Phrozn | xelerance, anyone else apply there? |
| 02:09.22 | summatusmentis | I feel like I've seen a fair amount of people asking about xelerance |
| 02:09.24 | Phrozn | anyone want to swap applications to review each others? |
| 02:09.33 | makmanalp | Phrozn: ah, i checked them out and it seemed neat, but it didn't seem like there was anything *i* could do |
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| 02:09.47 | makmanalp | Phrozn: maybe later on |
| 02:10.10 | rwcr | makmanalp: 1535 words including abstract. |
| 02:10.46 | makmanalp | ah, yeah, i forgot the abstract |
| 02:10.56 | summatusmentis | I didn't count the abstract |
| 02:11.20 | makmanalp | this is a sign of me stressing out :) |
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| 02:11.59 | summatusmentis | stress? whyfore? |
| 02:12.20 | mhilmi | um, mine was 4000? |
| 02:12.34 | mhilmi | still fits in the app tho |
| 02:12.46 | makmanalp | hah, impressive |
| 02:12.56 | makmanalp | you'll have no planning phase then? :P |
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| 02:14.23 | mhilmi | guess not :/ |
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| 02:14.47 | lh | some apps need to be 4000 words, some don't. relax. |
| 02:14.57 | ojwb | Phrozn: that's a good idea (though I'm not a student so I can't swap) |
| 02:15.04 | makmanalp | lh: yeah, that's what i figure |
| 02:15.23 | Phrozn | ojwb: thanks :) |
| 02:15.35 | edufelipe | ojwb: Are you a googler or a mentor? |
| 02:15.41 | ojwb | but yeah, swap apps and comment on each others - it'll help the time pass if nothing else |
| 02:15.42 | Phrozn | ojwb: tell my potential mentor that :P |
| 02:15.44 | makmanalp | even more so if you're implementing something coming from a theoretical background, for example |
| 02:15.53 | ojwb | mentor (and admin) |
| 02:16.22 | edufelipe | ojwb: Might I ask the project? |
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| 02:16.34 | ojwb | swig |
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| 02:16.45 | edufelipe | Ohhhh, cool! |
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| 02:21.01 | lh | settles in, drinks tea |
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| 02:24.51 | lh | orudge: thank you. |
| 02:25.07 | lh | pours a cup of tea for orudge, leaves kettle on if anyone else wants some |
| 02:25.19 | orudge | ah, lovely |
| 02:25.30 | orudge | has probably had far too much caffeine today (well, this week) |
| 02:25.32 | lh | produces plate of cookies, brownies, chips and salsa for those hard at work on their applications |
| 02:25.38 | orudge | final year project is due in in a couple of weeks |
| 02:25.41 | orudge | lots of work to do still, alas |
| 02:25.46 | lh | orudge: good lord. how much? |
| 02:25.50 | orudge | well |
| 02:25.59 | orudge | mainly the report |
| 02:26.06 | orudge | tidying up the software a bit too |
| 02:26.26 | orudge | still, not long to go now, two months and I'll be finished with uni :o |
| 02:26.30 | makmanalp | orudge: hah, tell me about it, that was me a month ago :) |
| 02:26.34 | brlcad | lh: pulling some interesting stats off that sheet |
| 02:26.35 | makmanalp | oh, final final project |
| 02:26.39 | orudge | makmanalp: yup |
| 02:26.45 | makmanalp | orudge: good luck! |
| 02:26.48 | orudge | cheers :) |
| 02:26.49 | makmanalp | orudge: what's it on? |
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| 02:27.05 | orudge | I'm working on a GUI front-end for Apache |
| 02:27.09 | lh | brlcad: do tell |
| 02:27.12 | brlcad | like largest variance, percentage breakdowns |
| 02:27.22 | brlcad | up/down |
| 02:27.22 | makmanalp | orudge: oh, neat. that has a lot of use cases |
| 02:27.41 | orudge | Indeed, it seems quite a few people I've spoken to have thought it rather a good idea |
| 02:27.56 | orudge | the plan is that the code will hopefully be released on my web site once it's done, and once it's been marked academically and so on |
| 02:27.59 | lh | orudge: nice |
| 02:28.29 | makmanalp | orudge: a lot of bundles would love that actually, since what they have is pretty bad mostly, like a bunch of shell scripts |
| 02:28.31 | orudge | and then, in the great spirit of open source, if people want to adapt or improve it, they can |
| 02:28.34 | orudge | mmh |
| 02:28.41 | lh | brlcad: notice any patterns in the country of residences over time? |
| 02:29.07 | orudge | well, this app is written in Java, using SWT for the GUI toolkit - works nicely on Linux, Mac OS X, Windows in my tests |
| 02:29.19 | makmanalp | yeah |
| 02:29.27 | orudge | and it has a plug-in architecture, so additional modules can be written to add functionality (to reflect things like Apache modules) |
| 02:29.38 | makmanalp | what'd you design it with? or did you do it by hand? |
| 02:29.55 | lh | rejoices that mr. spearce is headed home to mrs_spearce |
| 02:29.58 | orudge | pretty much by hand |
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| 02:30.31 | makmanalp | orudge: if you wanna revamp later on, like when you release it or something, check out jigloo |
| 02:30.54 | makmanalp | works pretty well cross platform and makes it quite simple to do changes, and it generates swt code i believe |
| 02:31.03 | orudge | that would have been rather handy to have found some months ago, heh |
| 02:31.19 | makmanalp | oh well! :) |
| 02:31.29 | orudge | but what I have isn't too bad |
| 02:31.44 | makmanalp | oh no, but it was probably a good effort |
| 02:31.52 | orudge | the only issue really is the differences between platforms in things like button and text sizes, but I wrote a system that works around/with that |
| 02:32.00 | makmanalp | nice |
| 02:33.49 | harlan | just to ask again, are there any orgs here that are interested in p2p/vod projects? I have a student who has submitted such a beast to me, and I'm not sure we're the best org for his project. |
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| 02:34.03 | orudge | right, think I shall head to bed, got Reaper to watch and then sleep to have :) |
| 02:34.14 | yeonhoo | hi again |
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| 02:34.25 | lh | harlan: tor might be good |
| 02:34.37 | lh | arma: ping, this may be totally off base but harlan may have something for you |
| 02:34.46 | yeonhoo | could somebody tell me current UDT time? |
| 02:35.01 | lh | yeonhoo: google can tell you |
| 02:35.11 | harlan | thanks lh |
| 02:35.13 | harlan | UTD? |
| 02:35.15 | makmanalp | harlan: try freenet |
| 02:35.20 | yeonhoo | yeah.. because i'm a little confused about it |
| 02:35.21 | yeonhoo | April 3: |
| 02:35.21 | yeonhoo | 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC Student application deadline. |
| 02:35.34 | orudge | it's 02:35 UTC |
| 02:35.35 | lh | harlan: makmanalp has had a much better idea |
| 02:35.37 | makmanalp | yeonhoo: it's the UK time, GMT +0 |
| 02:35.51 | orudge | UK is currently in BST, though, makmanalp, which is GMT+1 :) |
| 02:35.53 | harlan | thanks - wouldthat be #tor on freenet? |
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| 02:35.59 | icez | lh, wow, i didn't even know google could do that :p |
| 02:36.00 | yeonhoo | thank you for planation :) |
| 02:36.17 | makmanalp | orudge: oh crap, hmm. |
| 02:36.24 | orudge | www.timeanddate.com - very handy site |
| 02:36.31 | makmanalp | true |
| 02:37.02 | yeonhoo | yeah.. i was on this site |
| 02:37.13 | yeonhoo | but could not find any about UDT |
| 02:37.18 | yeonhoo | UTC |
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| 02:37.24 | brlcad | lh: the most interesting stat thusfar is that only six countries have had a change in their # of mentors compared to all mentors greater that 1%: US (7%), India (4%), France (2%), UK (1%), Switzerland (1%), and China (1%) |
| 02:37.27 | orudge | well, there's not such thing as UDT |
| 02:37.29 | orudge | UTC is also known as GMT |
| 02:37.47 | p_l | or as "One True Timezone" |
| 02:37.48 | brlcad | all the rest are less than a percent |
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| 02:37.54 | orudge | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ - "Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Friday, 3 April 2009, 02:37:40" |
| 02:37.59 | orudge | down near the bottom :) |
| 02:38.53 | makmanalp | deadline is 19:00 right? |
| 02:39.00 | homunq | opens windows, so people outside IRC can smell the brownies, and will come in and work on their applications. |
| 02:39.04 | orudge | makmanalp: yep |
| 02:39.24 | makmanalp | homunq: heh, i could go for some now |
| 02:39.31 | orudge | is pleased to notice that our project has had quite a few applications now, some of them looking rather good too |
| 02:40.19 | p_l | orudge: which proje? |
| 02:40.23 | orudge | p_l: wine |
| 02:40.24 | p_l | *project? |
| 02:40.39 | makmanalp | we had course registration today, which is always a pain in the butt since the computers always lag like hell. which is surprising since we have 2 super computers and a small cluster, but when it comes to the most heavy event of the year, they only spare 2 mediocre boxen. |
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| 02:42.02 | orudge | makmanalp: what tends to tax our uni's systems is exam results time |
| 02:42.14 | orudge | all the results are released at about 2am, and seemingly half the uni is there pressing F5 |
| 02:42.24 | orudge | meaning everything slows to a crawl for two hours |
| 02:42.33 | orudge | although, this year, it was surprisingly quick |
| 02:42.36 | orudge | maybe they upgraded the servers |
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| 02:43.23 | makmanalp | orudge: haha, no, this is more of the kind where it's about 15 minutes of extreme lag, where if you don't enter the right course numbers in time you're screwed and other people take your place |
| 02:43.28 | orudge | ah |
| 02:43.39 | makmanalp | i love my school, but that's their single dumb policy |
| 02:43.50 | makmanalp | luckily you can get signed in if you talk to the professors |
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| 02:44.45 | p_l | is thinking about selling his school his own COTS system for university information flow |
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| 02:45.25 | makmanalp | p_l: hehe |
| 02:45.27 | p_l | actually, I would give it to them for free, as long as that information actually is accessible in one place >_< |
| 02:45.45 | makmanalp | p_l: good luck convincing burocracy |
| 02:46.15 | NicDumZ | ahhh this year I can never remember the socghop address :) |
| 02:46.58 | p_l | makmanalp: plain office workers would probably support me. Some of professors possibly too. For Directorate of information Technology I'll need a nuke |
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| 02:48.51 | lh | orudge: night |
| 02:49.18 | p_l | makmanalp: I've been harassing university HR with my applications to DIT for half a term now :> |
| 02:49.24 | lh | p_l: give it to them free. :) |
| 02:50.01 | orudge | Night lh, night all |
| 02:50.03 | lh | p_l: DIT? |
| 02:50.18 | makmanalp | orudge: later |
| 02:50.25 | summatusmentis | Directorate of Information Technology |
| 02:50.30 | p_l | lh: Directorate of Information Technology. Local IT cabal that seems to lack real sysadmins |
| 02:50.35 | makmanalp | "directorate" :P |
| 02:50.35 | summatusmentis | win! |
| 02:50.45 | makmanalp | sounds like orwell's 1984 |
| 02:51.20 | p_l | makmanalp: It's UK. Being 25 years behind schedule isn't as bad as it seems :> |
| 02:53.00 | makmanalp | hehe |
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| 02:53.58 | lh | p_l: you will be able to persuade them to use your software much more effectively if you are not condescending. :) |
| 02:54.05 | lh | just sayin. |
| 02:54.12 | p_l | one fo most important life lessons learned in last few years: "free west" isn't as "free" as you might have thought. Ex-Commie countries tend to be better. |
| 02:54.44 | p_l | lh: I'm not keeping my business face here :) |
| 02:55.06 | lh | p_l: ah very good. :) |
| 02:55.40 | jmb | my experience of university administration is that they'd rather hand over oodles of money to some 3rd party firm who promise the earth and deliver rather less than actually exploit any of the resources they have internally |
| 02:55.52 | p_l | I did however write in their survey "please drop Oracle, pretty please?"... |
| 02:56.08 | homunq | jmb: sounds like most third world countries. |
| 02:56.26 | p_l | homunq: except third world countries have better excuses |
| 02:56.26 | jmb | homunq: an interesting parallel |
| 02:56.44 | homunq | or at least, like Guatemala |
| 02:56.54 | p_l | (mind, excuses, not always reasons) |
| 02:56.55 | homunq | where I live. |
| 02:57.00 | lh | oh my. you know i hate to say it, but i sometimes i think companies use oracle because it causes employees to delay submitting expense reports. |
| 02:57.33 | homunq | the difference is, instead of handing over oodles of money, they promise to hand over oodles over the next 20 years |
| 02:57.40 | homunq | (world bank loans) |
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| 02:58.15 | kangaroo | lh: Every single oracle enterprise tool I have ever used induces fire breathing rage into my life |
| 02:58.21 | kangaroo | especially iExpense |
| 02:58.23 | hub | jmb: you described a government |
| 02:58.26 | homunq | (or USAID, or whatever) |
| 02:58.35 | hub | kangaroo: the one that does not work with FF3? |
| 02:58.49 | kangaroo | hub: doen not work with s/FF3/*/? :) |
| 02:59.00 | brlcad | lh: have you read angie's Jan. writeup about embracing chaos? |
| 02:59.02 | kangaroo | also, we have an amazing gsoc slot for a student interested in VDPAU! :) |
| 02:59.04 | brlcad | fabulous read |
| 02:59.08 | kangaroo | </project_pimping> |
| 02:59.08 | jmb | hub: technically, I described any large bureacracy :) |
| 02:59.10 | hub | kangaroo: there are known bugs. I'd give you a bnc, but you know :-) |
| 02:59.12 | p_l | lh: In this case it's not about Oracle DB, though it's part of the "solution" - aka ORASSO, Oracle Application Server Thingy |
| 02:59.25 | kangaroo | hub: oracle is broken |
| 02:59.28 | kangaroo | thru and thru |
| 02:59.38 | homunq | jmb: even Google? |
| 02:59.42 | hub | kangaroo: news at 11 |
| 02:59.46 | p_l | kangaroo: what project? |
| 02:59.59 | kangaroo | I've never seen a company rest on the laurels of their "oh we're reliable" status so sucessfully |
| 03:00.02 | kangaroo | p_l: moonlight |
| 03:00.14 | kangaroo | we're looking for 2 students that dont alreay have good proposals |
| 03:00.17 | hub | kangaroo: Microsoft? |
| 03:00.20 | kangaroo | #1> VDPAU-ize our pipeline |
| 03:00.38 | kangaroo | #2> Platform abstract the project |
| 03:00.40 | p_l | Pity I only have intel X3100 :/ |
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| 03:00.42 | kangaroo | hub: hmm? |
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| 03:00.56 | kangaroo | p_l: I found a G98 at a local store for $35 bucks |
| 03:01.06 | kangaroo | hub: microsoft aint that ba |
| 03:01.11 | Cashingout | what is a G98 |
| 03:01.17 | kangaroo | what has oracle released in the last 5 years that doesn't suck? |
| 03:01.24 | p_l | kangaroo: ever tried soldering it into thinkpad motherboard that uses i965 integrated X3100? |
| 03:01.35 | kangaroo | p_l: that might be a problem :) |
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| 03:01.43 | lh | brlcad: yes it was awesome. |
| 03:01.47 | kangaroo | p_l: we'd also accept vaapi |
| 03:01.59 | kangaroo | but intel sucks and has only released vaapi for hte p-series |
| 03:02.19 | kangaroo | anyways.. video hackers, for love and profit |
| 03:02.20 | kangaroo | hack on moonlight |
| 03:02.27 | brlcad | had to share that with some of his professional dev friends.. there are both archetypes very apparent |
| 03:02.28 | kangaroo | we've given up all our awesome projects for students |
| 03:02.33 | kangaroo | and we're doing all the grunt work |
| 03:02.48 | kangaroo | meaning you get to hack on fun sexy projects and get paid |
| 03:02.55 | kangaroo | and we get to engineer the support layers for you |
| 03:02.57 | kangaroo | win win win! |
| 03:03.15 | lh | webchick has getting across important points through narrative down to a science. |
| 03:03.16 | p_l | btw, as for oracle support... at my summer work, we had an Oracle DB constantly cause OOM errors |
| 03:03.24 | webchick | I who in the what now? |
| 03:03.28 | kangaroo | oracle is horrid |
| 03:03.39 | lh | awesome article on embracing the chaos |
| 03:03.43 | asdlkf | webchick: you everyone in the everything |
| 03:03.44 | lh | people learn well by hearing stories |
| 03:03.44 | webchick | Oh! :D Thanks! |
| 03:03.47 | lh | you tell good stories |
| 03:03.49 | p_l | listening to my boss calling someone talking about oracle not wishing to elevate status of bug report was fun, FSVO of "fun" |
| 03:04.09 | webchick | lh, It's kinda Drupal specific, but hopefully most of the points carry over to other OS projects too. |
| 03:04.40 | webchick | I thought about re-writing it slightly to a more general audience on oreilly.com since I have blogging powers there now. mwahaha. |
| 03:04.43 | lh | clearly they do, scroll up |
| 03:04.44 | lh | :) |
| 03:04.51 | lh | webchick: awesome. do it! |
| 03:04.53 | p_l | BTW - the company had highest support level from Oracle and it was mission-critical system that started failing during migration to newer machine... |
| 03:05.21 | lh | p_l: lock in sucks. |
| 03:06.15 | p_l | lh: OOM Killer makes it worse. One day I'm gonna find the person responsible for overcommit in VM systems and make them regret |
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| 03:07.04 | p_l | I wonder how many people tried to use it as exploit |
| 03:07.15 | hub | kangaroo: Oracle iExpense does not work, but the people behind the system in your company neither. 30 days and still counting. too bad ny GF isn't a lawyer |
| 03:07.34 | brlcad | webchick: even your comments in defense of offending the poor pats was pretty insightful |
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| 03:07.56 | brlcad | you should write it up, it's good stuff |
| 03:08.06 | webchick | Well, I felt bad because the article itself was a little hard on the pats without some context |
| 03:08.14 | webchick | So I hope people read further down in the comments. ;) |
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| 03:09.36 | lh | p_l: OOM Killer? |
| 03:09.46 | lh | is not using google for the next two hours |
| 03:09.50 | ojwb | Out Of Memory |
| 03:10.07 | ojwb | it somewhat randomly kills processes when the system realises it has run out of memory |
| 03:10.11 | ojwb | not a lot of fun |
| 03:10.28 | ojwb | the idea is that it's smart about what it kills, but it doesn't always work out that way |
| 03:10.37 | lh | ojwb: thank you very much |
| 03:10.51 | lh | webchick: ok i shall then |
| 03:11.09 | p_l | it gets really fun when the offender (a 1.6G Firefox gorilla) stays alive and your devplatform (A Solaris VM that didn't allocate new memory since start) gets killed |
| 03:11.42 | rwcr | lh: Remember your SoC lolcat challenge earlier today? |
| 03:11.54 | rwcr | http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3840670 |
| 03:12.43 | lh | rwcr: I LOVE IT |
| 03:12.57 | rwcr | :-) We'll see if it makes the front page. (And yes, that's my cat + computer.) |
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| 03:14.06 | ojwb | has still failed to find a cat |
| 03:14.14 | lh | none of my cats are volunteering |
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| 03:14.24 | ojwb | well, I don't have any cats |
| 03:14.33 | Ryan52 | rwcr: nice! |
| 03:14.35 | ojwb | but i'm on good terms with the neighbour's cat |
| 03:14.40 | p_l | can't keep cats in house |
| 03:15.13 | p_l | might get some support from friends, though ^_^ |
| 03:18.30 | lh | summatusmentis: do you have your lol cat url again? |
| 03:19.19 | summatusmentis | lemme look |
| 03:19.27 | lh | summatusmentis: thank you |
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| 03:20.17 | summatusmentis | http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3838609 |
| 03:20.28 | summatusmentis | there you go :) |
| 03:20.53 | makmanalp | haha |
| 03:21.21 | summatusmentis | ooh... bad |
| 03:21.23 | summatusmentis | hold on |
| 03:22.14 | summatusmentis | nope, that's the only link I've got |
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| 03:23.01 | p_l | read about embracing chaos and decides that he passes for neither... |
| 03:23.04 | lh | summatusmentis: awesome thank you |
| 03:23.06 | lh | blogs |
| 03:23.07 | lh | i love it |
| 03:23.08 | lh | i want more |
| 03:23.31 | summatusmentis | I can't do more until next week |
| 03:23.52 | p_l | got an idea but can't get the cat now |
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| 03:24.46 | p_l | !timeline |
| 03:24.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 03:25.37 | p_l | ... nice |
| 03:25.53 | p_l | I've got midterm evaluation deadline the day after last exam |
| 03:26.31 | pfoetchen | has a picture of his cat sitting on his java vm book but can't find it right now ;) |
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| 03:26.57 | lh | so. awesome. |
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| 03:27.29 | p_l | ah, no, it's just my all nighter making me read June as July or vice versa |
| 03:28.32 | makmanalp | p_l: i did that a minute ago |
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| 03:31.26 | p_l | hmmm... I wonder, would classifying work in term of milestones with more vague timeline be ok? |
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| 03:32.46 | icez | lh, two quickies: http://picasaweb.google.com/lhandf/GSoCLolcatsD# |
| 03:32.53 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: hello, jts |
| 03:33.01 | summatusmentis | hi makmanalp |
| 03:33.01 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: fancy not noticing you |
| 03:33.11 | infralite | <-wpi |
| 03:33.15 | summatusmentis | ohi! |
| 03:33.19 | p_l | the second cat is me, I think... |
| 03:33.23 | lh | icez: oh dear god. that is so awesome. |
| 03:33.29 | lh | can i have embeddable links? |
| 03:33.37 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: so what are you doing, applying to a project or mentoring? |
| 03:33.53 | summatusmentis | applying to OpenAFS |
| 03:33.53 | lh | i love the deadline extension cat. |
| 03:34.10 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: ah, nice |
| 03:34.30 | icez | lh, http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XhNlVrmMKoE5XV7cv4vWzQ?feat=directlink and http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/W5HVjcnYtt13I9kZECFsWg?feat=directlink |
| 03:34.38 | icez | in order |
| 03:34.46 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: yeah, they were my org last year too |
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| 03:35.18 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: ah neat, i'm applying to pardus. i did an internship for them last year but i was dumb enough not to apply for gsoc, so this year i am. |
| 03:35.32 | summatusmentis | what is pardus? |
| 03:35.36 | summatusmentis | googles |
| 03:35.47 | lh | pardus is a turkish linux distro |
| 03:35.54 | lh | well turkish is not fair, but most of the devs are there |
| 03:36.14 | lh | icez: does that link allow you to embed like on a blog |
| 03:36.25 | lh | i am sorry i'm tired and don't really use picassa |
| 03:36.32 | summatusmentis | lh: it should |
| 03:36.36 | summatusmentis | I don't actually know |
| 03:37.11 | lh | summatusmentis: well let's experiment |
| 03:37.13 | summatusmentis | particularly if blog is blogspot |
| 03:37.18 | icez | lh, says "in email or IM" and for HTML its a whole lot of <table>'s and stuffs |
| 03:37.35 | rwcr | lh: http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/2/128832019737325610.jpg |
| 03:37.35 | lh | hrm ok hang on ski |
| 03:37.48 | rwcr | (that's hotlinkable) |
| 03:37.51 | Toba | hi makmanalp summatusmentis |
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| 03:38.16 | icez | rwcr, he can have my money too *runs* |
| 03:38.17 | summatusmentis | man, it's like my sophomore year of high school again |
| 03:38.33 | rwcr | icez: Believe it or not, the cat's female. |
| 03:38.38 | rwcr | Just very, very grouchy today. |
| 03:38.40 | icez | oh my. |
| 03:39.22 | lh | icez: i is having troubles |
| 03:39.36 | lh | rwcr: already on my blog dude |
| 03:39.43 | lh | i am so excited by the cats. :) |
| 03:39.44 | icez | uhm |
| 03:39.45 | summatusmentis | Toba, makmanalp, stop stalking me |
| 03:39.47 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 03:39.48 | lh | rwcr: thanks you made my day |
| 03:39.49 | Toba | no |
| 03:39.51 | Toba | you stop stalking me |
| 03:39.52 | lh | summatusmentis: you too |
| 03:39.56 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: hehe |
| 03:39.57 | lh | icez: you too |
| 03:40.00 | summatusmentis | lh: I do what I can |
| 03:40.03 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: it's your fault for not coming to wpi :) |
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| 03:40.21 | rwcr | lh: Thanks. :-) Sorry the image is overwide - I scaled it for the ICHC site - you can scale down if you want. |
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| 03:40.42 | makmanalp | lh: very true indeed. they're trying to make it more international, but it's had limited success so far, except for a small cult following. |
| 03:40.43 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: no, it's WPIs fault for being $40k+ every year |
| 03:40.47 | lh | blogger does not let me embed these images using the fetch from url dialog thingy |
| 03:40.47 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 03:40.48 | lh | wtf. |
| 03:40.52 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: scholarships! |
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| 03:41.03 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: they gave me about 10k |
| 03:41.05 | lh | makmanalp: what more international? |
| 03:41.12 | makmanalp | lh: pardus |
| 03:41.31 | lh | makmanalp: right thanks. |
| 03:41.33 | summatusmentis | lh: right click on the picture, copy the image location, and use that for the 'fetch from url' |
| 03:41.36 | lh | pinguar is awesome |
| 03:41.41 | icez | lh, try these? i took out the HTML from the pastey thingy http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XhNlVrmMKoE5XV7cv4vWzQ?feat=embedwebsite and http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/W5HVjcnYtt13I9kZECFsWg?feat=embedwebsite |
| 03:41.42 | makmanalp | lh: haha, you know her? |
| 03:41.54 | p_l | WPI? |
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| 03:42.05 | summatusmentis | p_l: www.wpi.edu |
| 03:42.13 | makmanalp | lh: oh, you guys had mentor meet last year, right? |
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| 03:42.30 | summatusmentis | p_l: a school I seriously considered going to, and who's unofficial IRC channel I used to hang out in |
| 03:42.48 | lh | makmanalp: we did and she's lovely. my pardus tee is one of my most prized possessions. |
| 03:43.00 | lh | and no that is not up on offer to take from the tech tshirts pile. |
| 03:43.15 | p_l | well, I haven't tried going to USA universities except for MIT... |
| 03:43.19 | makmanalp | lh: is it the orange on black one? |
| 03:43.35 | lh | summatusmentis: thanks that's working now |
| 03:43.41 | lh | makmanalp: no black and whiite with panther |
| 03:43.41 | makmanalp | lh: this is neat! i'll tell her hi from you. |
| 03:43.48 | lh | thank you please do |
| 03:43.56 | summatusmentis | lh: of course :) |
| 03:43.56 | icez | has his t-shirts from the now unexistant google phoenix office :3 |
| 03:44.20 | makmanalp | lh: if you don't mind me asking, are you the gsoc leadperson? |
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| 03:44.46 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: she is |
| 03:44.51 | summatusmentis | !lh |
| 03:44.51 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 03:44.52 | lh | makmanalp: sure. |
| 03:44.59 | summatusmentis | whoa, they turned it off |
| 03:45.04 | summatusmentis | where'd they all go? |
| 03:45.05 | lh | i liked being lady hawthorn. |
| 03:45.08 | makmanalp | ah, okay |
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| 03:45.19 | lh | sulks realizes she is being completely vain and immature, gets right over it |
| 03:45.38 | makmanalp | :P |
| 03:45.39 | summatusmentis | lh: nah, Lady Hawthorn is classy |
| 03:45.49 | summatusmentis | I'm all for you being lady Hawthorn |
| 03:45.49 | lh | summatusmentis: thanks. i like it. |
| 03:45.55 | lh | and i dont particularly dig on leslie |
| 03:45.56 | makmanalp | goes back to work |
| 03:46.03 | lh | although changing my first name to lady would be bizarre |
| 03:46.07 | lh | makmanalp: good luck |
| 03:46.10 | summatusmentis | yes, that's true, it would |
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| 03:46.50 | makmanalp | thanks a lot, lh |
| 03:47.02 | makmanalp | i'll drop by on and off as the night progresses |
| 03:47.32 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: it's late-ish out there |
| 03:47.44 | Ownatik | application limit is tomorrow 19h UTC is that it? |
| 03:48.39 | lh | Ownatik: yes. |
| 03:48.49 | lh | silently asks the universe for more cats. |
| 03:49.03 | scorche | mmmmmm...that was tasty...went to some fancy forks and corks tasting thingy =D |
| 03:49.12 | lh | oh crao |
| 03:49.16 | lh | the cats have run over my side bar |
| 03:49.20 | lh | must. fix. |
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| 03:49.46 | summatusmentis | lh: I can spend more time later, but no time :) |
| 03:49.55 | scorche | didnt know that steak/meat could get as tender as he had it |
| 03:49.55 | lh | summatusmentis: all good |
| 03:50.17 | lh | scorche: where did you have this steak |
| 03:51.41 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: oh, i've given up tonight, effectively, so i'm enjoying my allnighter |
| 03:52.00 | makmanalp | i'm done with all my hw due tomorrow so no stress. |
| 03:52.07 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: ugh, allnighters |
| 03:52.32 | lh | dammit isn't there something easy to tell blogger so i dont have to manually shrink these images? |
| 03:52.38 | lh | cause i will. but grump. |
| 03:54.13 | icez | too bad blogger isn't part of gsoc :P |
| 03:54.43 | lh | icez: oh please do not get me started. |
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| 03:55.08 | icez | *hides* |
| 03:56.07 | ojwb | if anyone's still writing a proposal, I'd really recommend not leaving all testing and documentation until the end |
| 03:56.24 | ojwb | now bored of telling people that in response to nearly every app |
| 03:56.59 | makmanalp | ojwb: hehe |
| 03:57.00 | icez | ojwb, which organization are you representing?:o |
| 03:57.08 | Ownatik | thank you for the advice ;) |
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| 03:57.43 | p_l | tommorrow? It's friggin' 3rd already |
| 03:57.52 | p_l | even in UTC :) |
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| 03:58.56 | ojwb | swig |
| 03:59.05 | Ownatik | not for me yet |
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| 03:59.12 | Ownatik | 23:59 |
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| 03:59.24 | p_l | UTC is the only true timezone :P |
| 03:59.39 | Ownatik | nah. GMT-5 is |
| 04:00.07 | bcarlyon|laptop | GMT -0.5 |
| 04:00.09 | bcarlyon|laptop | is |
| 04:00.19 | p_l | Fri Apr 3 04:00:19 UTC 2009 |
| 04:00.27 | p_l | :3 |
| 04:00.49 | lh | fixed |
| 04:00.49 | p_l | ... FRIDAY!? |
| 04:01.20 | ojwb | GMT-Ï! |
| 04:01.44 | Ownatik | gmt - â |
| 04:01.44 | p_l | suddenly found out that he doesn't remember thursday. Nor wednesday |
| 04:02.22 | icez | i like the gmt-pi idea. |
| 04:02.40 | p_l | yeah, it would be an interesting timezone :) |
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| 04:02.51 | Mkop2 | !countdown |
| 04:02.52 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 04:02.58 | p_l | even better, have DST switch to GMT-e |
| 04:02.59 | Ownatik | should be programmable in PYthon |
| 04:03.14 | p_l | in scheme with full numeric tower :3 |
| 04:03.16 | Mkop2 | what's the command for countdown? |
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| 04:03.46 | Mkop2 | nevermind, I found the link |
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| 04:06.50 | ojwb | p_l: I like it |
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| 04:07.23 | ab3 | Here is my application for gsoc, it is about camera support in pygame for OSX: http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2009/abe/t123872941171 |
| 04:08.18 | ojwb | we can't see it |
| 04:08.34 | ojwb | I think that link only works for you |
| 04:09.38 | makmanalp | probably |
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| 04:11.15 | Niks | how much time left ? |
| 04:11.20 | Niks | :/ |
| 04:11.21 | PearlJam | !next |
| 04:11.21 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 04:11.27 | bcarlyon|laptop | 14 hours |
| 04:11.32 | PearlJam | 14 hours |
| 04:11.51 | Niks | wow ! itss gettin exciting |
| 04:11.59 | Niks | M not feelin time pressure |
| 04:12.19 | Ownatik | !now |
| 04:12.20 | socinfo | Error: "now" is not a valid command. |
| 04:12.31 | PearlJam | this is the application deadline. the real pressure will be on 20th. |
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| 04:12.50 | Ownatik | it's 4 in the morning UTC right now? |
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| 04:13.18 | bcarlyon|laptop | Yesum |
| 04:13.21 | p_l | Fri Apr 3 04:13:21 UTC 2009 |
| 04:13.25 | bcarlyon|laptop | Why am I still up? |
| 04:13.44 | Niks | i dont think pressure beacuse I thin good applications hardly get rejected |
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| 04:15.48 | Niks | all the very best to everyone... |
| 04:16.01 | skbohra | hmmm |
| 04:16.31 | skbohra | how would you know that your app is g00d enough ;) |
| 04:16.49 | Niks | intuition |
| 04:16.53 | Niks | ;) |
| 04:16.55 | Niks | :p |
| 04:16.57 | skbohra | aha |
| 04:17.18 | skbohra | what does your intuition says for me :P |
| 04:17.28 | Niks | i have a vast experience of writing bad reel bad applications |
| 04:17.37 | lh | rwcr: you on twitter? |
| 04:17.40 | ojwb | you can be unlucky and make a good application for an idea which already has many good applications, etc |
| 04:17.41 | lh | icez: you on twitter? |
| 04:17.51 | rwcr | lh: I'm "rwcr", but I never use it. |
| 04:17.54 | ojwb | but generally good applications will do well! |
| 04:17.55 | icez | I have an empty twitter :P |
| 04:18.09 | icez | but it's lhandf |
| 04:18.15 | Niks | yup |
| 04:18.20 | Niks | @ojwb |
| 04:18.23 | lh | icez: it's lhandf? |
| 04:18.29 | icez | yes |
| 04:18.31 | lh | rwcr: i am using for attribution |
| 04:18.43 | rwcr | Ah, got it. :-) |
| 04:18.43 | methanigai | hi |
| 04:18.56 | Niks | definately but one should not get disheartened |
| 04:19.07 | Niks | on not getting shortlisted |
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| 04:19.53 | skbohra | i wasn't last year |
| 04:19.55 | skbohra | :) |
| 04:20.14 | skbohra | may be apply next year too |
| 04:20.23 | Niks | :0 |
| 04:20.56 | skbohra | anybody from sunlight here? |
| 04:20.58 | makmanalp | mmm, cinnamon toast crunch... |
| 04:21.30 | vinc456 | !stats |
| 04:21.30 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 04:21.52 | scorche | <@lh> scorche: where did you have this steak <-- http://www.forksandcorks.org/ |
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| 04:22.02 | scorche | lots more than just steaks and everything was *tasty* |
| 04:22.02 | Landon | speaking of meat |
| 04:22.09 | Landon | I had some omnomnomworthy bison tonight |
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| 04:22.28 | Niks | Croc-en-cannelle |
| 04:22.36 | Niks | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 04:22.40 | Niks | : |
| 04:22.42 | Niks | :p |
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| 04:23.15 | lh | scorche: looks like it was fun |
| 04:23.18 | Niks | Get some |
| 04:23.18 | lh | mmm steak. |
| 04:23.23 | scorche | and tasty |
| 04:23.25 | lh | steak steak steak steak steak |
| 04:23.40 | caden | you guys are making me hella hungry |
| 04:23.42 | skbohra | wow i am there in stats!! |
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| 04:23.52 | Niks | stats |
| 04:23.56 | caden | !stats |
| 04:23.56 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 04:24.02 | lh | caden: this always happens around 10 pm in one's time zone |
| 04:24.03 | scorche | i dont even want to call it steak...it was more like...i dont know...some kind of steak flavored thing that melted in one's mouth |
| 04:24.06 | lh | steak cravings. |
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| 04:24.14 | lh | scorche doesn't help. |
| 04:24.17 | scorche | then again, they had some of the best chefs in the city there making it >_> |
| 04:24.25 | scorche | mmmm |
| 04:24.29 | kakashi_ | lh:- one more right ? |
| 04:24.35 | kakashi_ | lh:- for the students |
| 04:24.41 | lh | kakashi_: one more what? |
| 04:24.55 | kakashi_ | one day (uh! sorry missed it :P) |
| 04:25.01 | kakashi_ | one more day* |
| 04:25.03 | kakashi_ | baah! |
| 04:25.03 | caden | one more steak! |
| 04:26.02 | mrmax99 | hi everyone |
| 04:26.40 | skbohra | I didnt know I shout |
| 04:26.43 | skbohra | ha ha |
| 04:26.46 | rwcr | Hi mrmax99 |
| 04:27.38 | Phrozn | !next |
| 04:27.38 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 04:28.58 | skbohra | waves hand |
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| 04:42.22 | i386 | lh: howdy |
| 04:42.24 | i386 | :) |
| 04:42.38 | lh | i386: what's wrong with the shindig build |
| 04:43.24 | p_l | now that's a nick... |
| 04:43.24 | lh | and hello |
| 04:43.24 | lh | and so soon thou shalt visit the fronc |
| 04:43.25 | lh | i am so happy |
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| 04:43.25 | i386 | lh: I am counting the days down until we are partying in the castro |
| 04:43.42 | i386 | although I might be a bit blazed after the flight :( |
| 04:43.53 | i386 | lh: so a few things about the Shindig build |
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| 04:43.59 | i386 | currently its not deterministic |
| 04:44.12 | lh | i386: that's ok and should i plan to visit you up in the city too? seems better to stay there and party there |
| 04:44.14 | i386 | I get different output on various versions of the build tool |
| 04:44.19 | lh | i386: that's not good. |
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| 04:44.34 | i386 | and different output on different operating systems |
| 04:44.51 | i386 | (some encoding problems, mac uses MacRoman and linux uses UTF-8 which is sane) |
| 04:45.53 | i386 | lh: another problem is it does not follow standard Maven conventions |
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| 04:46.19 | i386 | for background, when a module builds it puts its output, logs, etc in the target directory in the module root |
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| 04:46.38 | i386 | instead shindig just puts that stuff everywhere |
| 04:46.50 | lh | i386: oh sucks. did you file bugs? |
| 04:47.02 | i386 | so running the equivalent of a "make clean" (mvn clean) doesn't actually clean anything up |
| 04:47.04 | lh | i386: i can put you in touch with their PM if that's interesting to you |
| 04:47.31 | i386 | lh: atlassian are shipping shindig in basically everything we make |
| 04:47.43 | i386 | contact with the PM would be rocking |
| 04:47.54 | lh | i386: please to email lhawthorn@google.com |
| 04:47.58 | lh | i will fix in morning |
| 04:48.00 | i386 | mind if I pass his/her details on? |
| 04:48.02 | i386 | ta :) |
| 04:48.15 | lh | and then follow up with polite chit chat in hallway if i see him. |
| 04:48.31 | lh | wants a coffee now |
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| 04:48.43 | i386 | lh: I might have a crack at fixing some of it in their sandbox svn repo |
| 04:48.49 | i386 | since I have apache committer rights |
| 04:49.00 | i386 | but ty :) |
| 04:49.14 | lh | i386: yw. happy to help darlin. |
| 04:49.19 | i386 | :) |
| 04:49.32 | i386 | lh: I cant wait for California ! |
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| 04:49.34 | lh | decides she will get some sleep instead of waiting up to watch the .eu kids panic up until the deadline |
| 04:49.39 | i386 | hehe |
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| 04:49.47 | lh | i386: me too. i have not been dancing in months. months. |
| 04:49.49 | lh | ugh. |
| 04:49.51 | lh | must. fix. |
| 04:49.53 | i386 | then we shall |
| 04:49.56 | lh | yay!!!!! |
| 04:50.01 | i386 | and fishbowl margaritas |
| 04:50.06 | i386 | (OH YES) |
| 04:50.08 | PDani | hi |
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| 04:50.23 | lh | makes note that milk thistle capsules will be required |
| 04:50.23 | i386 | lh: sweet dreams |
| 04:50.27 | lh | i386: thank you dear |
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| 04:50.31 | lh | night all |
| 04:50.35 | i386 | night |
| 04:50.39 | caden | night night! |
| 04:50.43 | ab3 | Have they changed the application deadline? |
| 04:50.51 | lh | ab3: no and we are not going to. |
| 04:50.56 | PearlJam | !extension |
| 04:50.56 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 04:50.56 | lh | period. |
| 04:51.01 | lh | there you go. |
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| 04:51.02 | lh | :) |
| 04:51.06 | PearlJam | ab3: see this. |
| 04:51.09 | lh | sneaks off |
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| 04:51.53 | ab3 | ok, but I thouth that is was the 3th of April and not the 7th |
| 04:51.59 | lut4rp | tomaw, |
| 04:52.00 | lut4rp | oops |
| 04:52.07 | ab3 | ow lol I was looking at the page op 2008 |
| 04:52.10 | bcarlyon|laptop | its in 13hours |
| 04:52.13 | dukeleto | no extensions, that means I have to review longer :) |
| 04:52.16 | ab3 | :) |
| 04:52.18 | lut4rp | !logs |
| 04:52.18 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 04:52.37 | dukeleto | yes, deadline is in 14 hours actually |
| 04:53.13 | dukeleto | 12 noon PDT/ 17:00 UTC |
| 04:53.37 | dukeleto | good luck students! |
| 04:53.46 | omniter | thanks :) |
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| 04:54.03 | glaksmono | yay so scared |
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| 04:54.12 | glaksmono | the limits only 1000 this year |
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| 04:55.57 | glaksmono | !count |
| 04:55.57 | socinfo | Error: "count" is not a valid command. |
| 04:56.00 | glaksmono | !time |
| 04:56.00 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 04:56.02 | dukeleto | remember, getting involved in the community that interests you is the most important thing, even if your application is not accepted, write some open source code! There is always next year! |
| 04:56.22 | Niks | :) |
| 04:56.26 | Niks | roger |
| 04:56.27 | glaksmono | !timeleft |
| 04:56.27 | socinfo | Error: "timeleft" is not a valid command. |
| 04:56.33 | glaksmono | where's the count down? |
| 04:56.44 | Mkop2 | !refer glaksmono [next] |
| 04:56.45 | socinfo | Error: "refer" is not a valid command. |
| 04:56.49 | Mkop2 | !next |
| 04:56.49 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 04:57.15 | dukeleto | PST ? We are in PDT |
| 04:57.26 | glaksmono | sweet |
| 04:57.54 | ojwb | the UTC time is unambiguous anyway |
| 04:57.55 | dukeleto | checks some stuff |
| 04:58.12 | dukeleto | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline says PDT |
| 04:58.24 | dukeleto | please update to minimize confusion |
| 04:58.27 | glaksmono | well i guess as long as there's count down |
| 04:58.33 | glaksmono | doesn't matter whether it's PST lol |
| 04:58.36 | ojwb | anyone can update it... |
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| 04:59.33 | rwcr | !forget next |
| 04:59.33 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:59.49 | rwcr | !learn next as Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 04:59.49 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 04:59.52 | rwcr | !next |
| 04:59.52 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 04:59.53 | dukeleto | yay |
| 05:00.08 | dukeleto | +1 for reducing deadline confusion |
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| 05:01.52 | dukeleto | 838 minutes till the deadline :) |
| 05:02.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | !timeline |
| 05:02.40 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 05:05.52 | harlan | so we don't have to start *rating* student projects before noon tomorrow, they just have to get them *in* by noon tomorrow, right? |
| 05:06.01 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 05:06.14 | harlan | 'k, thanks. |
| 05:06.42 | harlan | If we decide that a student project would be better handled by a different mentoring org, would it be possible to move it after noon tomorrow? |
| 05:06.59 | summatusmentis | that I don't now |
| 05:07.03 | summatusmentis | knwow* |
| 05:07.05 | summatusmentis | know* |
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| 05:07.12 | harlan | 'k, thanks. |
| 05:07.36 | ojwb | thinks you just missed lh |
| 05:07.43 | ojwb | who can probably say |
| 05:07.55 | glaksmono | !timeline |
| 05:07.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 05:10.07 | Raim | harlan: maybe just let the student apply for the other app, too and then figure it out with them who takes it |
| 05:10.15 | Raim | s/app/org/ |
| 05:10.35 | Raim | ibot: no, you missed the context :P |
| 05:10.38 | harlan | Right, and the trick is I haven't figured out which, if any, other org might be better suited yet. |
| 05:10.51 | Raim | harlan: aw, okay |
| 05:11.13 | ojwb | we have one who could fit in with either us or another org, so I'm interested to know |
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| 05:23.58 | summatusmentis | crap. So, org wants patch. Path mostly done |
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| 05:24.14 | summatusmentis | build failing on a file that I haven't touched, but it means I can't test ;( |
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| 05:26.49 | ojwb | go back to just before the last time that file changed? |
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| 05:27.27 | ojwb | or if that was ages ago, it might just be a header change, so you could jump back a day or week at a time until it works |
| 05:28.11 | summatusmentis | I do not know enough about cvs to know what you just said :) |
| 05:28.18 | pcmattman | that could be a problem |
| 05:28.23 | summatusmentis | heh |
| 05:28.33 | z3r0 | sammatusmentis: yeah, that used to happen to me too.. |
| 05:28.44 | summatusmentis | I know, hence the point of the patch preumably |
| 05:28.46 | pcmattman | did you compile before you wrote the patch? |
| 05:28.48 | ojwb | IIRC: cvs up -r'{2009-03-29}' for a given date |
| 05:28.51 | summatusmentis | no, I should've |
| 05:28.52 | ojwb | but it has been a while |
| 05:28.56 | dukeleto | !next |
| 05:28.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 05:29.14 | Niks | silence of lambs ^^ |
| 05:29.17 | ojwb | cvs log <file>|more will tell you about changes |
| 05:29.40 | summatusmentis | googles for cvs tutorial |
| 05:29.45 | Niks | holy silence :) |
| 05:29.59 | ojwb | apart from the people talking... |
| 05:30.36 | pcmattman | summatusmentis: which org is the patch for? |
| 05:30.54 | ojwb | we need !orgbyvcs |
| 05:31.01 | ojwb | so you can avoid CVS! |
| 05:31.19 | pcmattman | git > svn > cvs > no vcs |
| 05:31.21 | omniter | is all jumpy |
| 05:31.26 | omniter | can't wait can't wait can't wait :D |
| 05:31.31 | Landon | is looking towards using hg |
| 05:31.36 | Raim | pcmattman: forgot about hg and bzr :) |
| 05:31.38 | omniter | still 18 days til the news comes out though =\ |
| 05:31.41 | pcmattman | has to wait another year because he's too young :) |
| 05:31.52 | omniter | pcmattman, you're 16? |
| 05:31.54 | pcmattman | so omniter, be excited for me :P |
| 05:31.56 | pcmattman | no, 17 |
| 05:31.58 | omniter | ah |
| 05:32.02 | omniter | too bad for you |
| 05:32.17 | summatusmentis | pcmattman: OpenAFS, they're trying to move to git |
| 05:32.18 | omniter | but yayyyyyyyyy. excited |
| 05:32.40 | pcmattman | what system are you building on? |
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| 05:34.40 | Matthew | Hey guys. |
| 05:34.58 | summatusmentis | pcmattman: OS X |
| 05:35.04 | Matthew | I'm joining up for GSoC... woot! |
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| 05:35.39 | Matthew | Looks like we have quite a few ops on. |
| 05:36.27 | pcmattman | summatusmentis: problems building could probably be answered in #openafs right here on freenode |
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| 05:36.45 | summatusmentis | pcmattman: I'm there, I know :) I'm just whining |
| 05:36.57 | pcmattman | hehe |
| 05:37.04 | mots4u | wat does title for a project means?? |
| 05:37.13 | mots4u | we have to give our title or |
| 05:37.15 | ojwb | sum up your project in a line |
| 05:37.16 | Matthew | may I ask a question concerning the application process? This is my first year. |
| 05:37.18 | pcmattman | i feel like whining, but i won't... won't help me achieve anything |
| 05:37.18 | madrazr | !next |
| 05:37.18 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 05:37.48 | ojwb | mots4u: if it's an idea from the ideas list, there's probably a suitable title there already |
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| 05:38.06 | ojwb | just copying stuff from the ideas list for your application isn't good, but I feel the title is OK |
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| 05:38.18 | Matthew | As far as I can tell, it is equivalent to 12pm (Noon) PST |
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| 05:38.28 | ojwb | PDT |
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| 05:38.47 | mots4u | k...so we have to provide title if it's our own idea.. |
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| 05:38.54 | ojwb | yes |
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| 05:39.19 | mots4u | thanx....ojwb :) |
| 05:39.25 | ojwb | so maybe "Implement emacs key bindings for vim" sort of thing |
| 05:39.34 | Matthew | So is the basic idea, to find one of the project ideas already listed for one of the companies, then expand on it or give it our own flavor? |
| 05:39.35 | skbohra | mots4u: must be something that relates to description |
| 05:39.45 | p_l | ojwb: which would get shot down in a holy war? :D |
| 05:39.46 | ojwb | they aren't companies |
| 05:39.46 | Landon | ojwb: I dunno, creative titles are fun too :P |
| 05:39.48 | ojwb | well, mostly |
| 05:40.02 | skbohra | truw |
| 05:40.12 | ojwb | but yes, find an idea you like, or come up with your own |
| 05:40.13 | skbohra | true* |
| 05:40.16 | Matthew | ok, you're missing the main point of my question to argue semantics. |
| 05:40.38 | ojwb | just trying to correct a common misconception |
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| 05:40.48 | Matthew | ok... well, continue |
| 05:40.59 | ojwb | um, I did... |
| 05:41.05 | Matthew | do I expand on an idea already presented? |
| 05:41.17 | pcmattman | "ojwb: but yes, find an idea you like, or come up with your own" |
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| 05:41.23 | Matthew | kk... got it |
| 05:41.23 | ojwb | usually - some are more sketchy than others |
| 05:41.28 | ojwb | some are pretty fully formed |
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| 05:41.53 | Matthew | there are WAY too many ideas to search through them all at this hour. |
| 05:42.05 | Matthew | How long of an application is actually expected I wonder. |
| 05:42.16 | ojwb | well, pick an area you like, or look at languages you know well |
| 05:42.18 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 05:42.19 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 05:42.22 | ojwb | !orgbycat |
| 05:42.22 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 05:42.25 | Landon | long enough to explain all you plan to do |
| 05:42.35 | Landon | that's the rule of thumb I use |
| 05:42.36 | r0bby | orgy cat |
| 05:42.47 | omniter | ... |
| 05:42.51 | pcmattman | o.o |
| 05:42.55 | r0bby | (somebody else said it first!) days ago) |
| 05:42.58 | r0bby | or maybe yesterday |
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| 05:43.05 | pcmattman | doesn't mean you say it again :P |
| 05:43.06 | Matthew | is there a way to narrow down the search like that? I didn't see any search functions for narrowing down the ideas. |
| 05:43.08 | PearlJam | ha ha |
| 05:43.18 | ojwb | probably a few thousand words, but what makes sense varies a lot by the idea |
| 05:43.34 | skbohra | tagging would have done |
| 05:43.34 | ojwb | those are just for the orgs - there's no central search for ideas |
| 05:43.38 | pcmattman | Matthew: pick an organisation you like and have the tech skills to do work for, look at their ideas |
| 05:43.48 | ojwb | repeat until you get one you like |
| 05:44.48 | p_l | nice, sun warning students that what you place on internet almost never disappears... |
| 05:44.59 | Matthew | yeah, that's basically what I'm trying to do, but there are 150 orgs, each with several ideas. |
| 05:45.24 | ojwb | we know... |
| 05:45.31 | Matthew | It's a lot to read through without narrowing things down, haha. I just got finished reading the BOOK that is the Student Participant Agreement |
| 05:45.55 | r0bby | I placed something bad on the intarweb |
| 05:45.58 | omniter | Matthew, you already have the category sorted list. how narrow do you want it? |
| 05:45.59 | Matthew | yeah, it's true @ p-l |
| 05:46.03 | Matthew | p_l |
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| 05:46.32 | omniter | i mean seriously, unless you wanna do everything and anything, it shouldn't be that hard to find something in 45 minutes or so |
| 05:46.57 | Matthew | Anyone who uses xChat know how to make it stay on top (Windows XP) |
| 05:47.10 | p_l | afk |
| 05:47.14 | p_l | morning coffee :) |
| 05:47.18 | Matthew | yeah, that's exactly my problem, haha. |
| 05:47.41 | Matthew | I have TOO many interests... that's why I'm on my third major now, lol |
| 05:48.48 | makmanalp | Matthew: there is a category-sorted gsoc organization list somewhere |
| 05:48.52 | makmanalp | Matthew: you might like that |
| 05:48.54 | Matthew | I REALLY want to get in though. I've always loved programming and have no idea why I didn't start with that as my major. I first started coding in C++ about 10 years ago. |
| 05:48.56 | pc[away] | then find one and stick to it for GSoC |
| 05:49.11 | pc[away] | next year you'll have more time to apply into more places, it's just very very late atm |
| 05:49.26 | omniter | makmanalp, we already gave him that list |
| 05:49.33 | makmanalp | oh, nice. |
| 05:49.40 | Matthew | @makmanalp sweet... I'll look for that |
| 05:49.46 | makmanalp | ... |
| 05:49.49 | Ownatik | Hey why are there less organizations in "Submit your Student Proposal" than in "List participating Organizations" ? Why can't I send application for every orgs? |
| 05:49.51 | omniter | Matthew, we gave it to you |
| 05:49.53 | ojwb | you already are looking at it... |
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| 05:50.08 | ojwb | Ownatik: how many less? |
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| 05:50.14 | makmanalp | Ownatik: try clicking the "next" button :P |
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| 05:50.20 | Ownatik | damnn |
| 05:50.23 | Ownatik | thanks :P |
| 05:50.24 | makmanalp | hahaha :) |
| 05:50.39 | makmanalp | hey, i've done sillier things when sleepy |
| 05:50.42 | tigreped | hey guys, what is this Document Link ID? How shoyuld I fill it in the applicatino submission form? |
| 05:50.42 | ojwb | makes a note to go for aaaaaaaaaaaaaa as linkid next year |
| 05:51.01 | omniter | tigreped, ou don't create a Document to make an application |
| 05:51.04 | atulagrwl | !extension |
| 05:51.04 | hypa7ia | http://vimeo.com/3983501 <-- offtopic, but awesome |
| 05:51.04 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 05:51.11 | Matthew | I'm sorry, I'm not seeing it. Pardon my ignorance, I'm still very new to IRC. I've avoided it for all these years, haha |
| 05:51.21 | omniter | Matthew, here |
| 05:51.23 | omniter | !orgbycat |
| 05:51.24 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 05:51.25 | Matthew | you gave me a link? |
| 05:51.30 | omniter | yeah we gave you two linkes |
| 05:51.36 | omniter | one sorted by language, one sorted by category |
| 05:51.39 | ojwb | the http://... things |
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| 05:55.49 | Matthew | sorry guys. I miss a lot of things when the chats are scrolling up so fast, I just found the links you gave me. THANKS!! |
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| 05:59.03 | kblin | scrolling fast? |
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| 05:59.09 | Matthew | not atm |
| 05:59.20 | kblin | fair enough :) |
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| 05:59.36 | Matthew | say, anyone know how to make xChat (Windows XP) stay on top? I don't want to miss anything |
| 05:59.39 | JurandNogiec | anyone in the san francisco area here? |
| 05:59.43 | ojwb | just wait until the day the accepted students are announced |
| 05:59.43 | hwked | where can I instant chat with the wordpress mentors? |
| 05:59.46 | Matthew | I'm in Oregon |
| 05:59.53 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 05:59.53 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 05:59.59 | JurandNogiec | msg me if you want free expo pass to RSA conference |
| 06:00.03 | ojwb | hwked: follow that advice ^^ |
| 06:00.20 | JurandNogiec | http://www.rsaconference.com/2009/US |
| 06:00.21 | hypa7ia | Matthew: on windows or linux? |
| 06:00.56 | ojwb | "Windows XP" |
| 06:01.00 | Matthew | lol... yeah |
| 06:01.05 | Matthew | I said that, haha |
| 06:01.12 | ojwb | first step, install linux |
| 06:01.21 | Matthew | LOL... I actually had it |
| 06:01.22 | ojwb | second step, the menu on the title bar has "Always on Top" |
| 06:01.30 | hwked | ojwb: thanks, but there irc channel is *very* quiet and I don't think there is time for mailing lists since today is the last day |
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| 06:01.46 | Matthew | I had to uninstall to try out the Windows 7 beta... verdict: better than Vista, but still a rescource hog |
| 06:02.23 | Matthew | mmm... no, not that I can see. I looked. |
| 06:02.46 | Ownatik | What sould be writen in the abstract? |
| 06:02.49 | PearlJam | managing windows is a pain in windows. linux makes it so so easier. it has everything that window handling should have. |
| 06:03.11 | omniter | how much managing do windows need anyway... |
| 06:03.36 | JurandNogiec | 100% |
| 06:03.39 | omniter | i don't like to keep 10 windows open at once... |
| 06:03.51 | Matthew | yeah I know.. believe me I ABHOR Windows XP... but I'm kind of forced to use it for my major. |
| 06:03.56 | omniter | i usually only have up to 5 or 6 |
| 06:04.03 | Matthew | well, that is, at my university. |
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| 06:04.12 | omniter | we use ubuntu and vista |
| 06:04.15 | devilsadvocate | omniter, spend a few days using fluxbox. after that if you dont think freedoom in window management helps improve productivity, then you didnt use it right :P |
| 06:04.24 | Matthew | I LOVE ubuntu |
| 06:04.40 | Ownatik | Hi, could any of you guide m in what should be written in the abstract when sending a student proposal? |
| 06:04.46 | Matthew | I think I'm going to reinstall it pretty soon, but I'm so busy I don't have time for it atm. |
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| 06:04.59 | hypa7ia | Ownatik: a short summary of the project you want to do |
| 06:05.00 | icez | Ownatik, a short to the point version of your idea and what you plan to do |
| 06:05.10 | Ownatik | ok thanks |
| 06:05.12 | Matthew | yes |
| 06:05.13 | omniter | Ownatik, it really isn't too important. you're not judged on it. |
| 06:05.15 | jaffoneh | Hi, is it possible to edit proposals after the third of April? |
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| 06:05.23 | Matthew | That's what "abstract" means |
| 06:05.24 | hypa7ia | jaffoneh: no |
| 06:05.29 | Ownatik | good. :) thanks a lot |
| 06:05.35 | hwked | jaffoneh: no, otherwise what's the point of a deadline :) |
| 06:05.37 | Matthew | it's stripping away all the details to get to the good stuff, haha |
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| 06:05.39 | hypa7ia | jaffoneh: you can add comments, but not change the main proposal |
| 06:06.51 | omniter | you might also consider communicating with your org through their own community though, not just through the application comment system. |
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| 06:07.19 | omniter | some orgs like that because then everybody in the community can provide input, not just the admins and mentors |
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| 06:08.32 | jaffoneh | I have a proposal for google's open source office and my proffesor (who will be my advisor) is still reading my proposal. I'm waiting for his reply which I should get tonight or tomorrow morning hopefully. However, I'm afraid he will take more time to reply and I was wondering if there is a way to submit the proposal I have then edit it after receiving his feedback |
| 06:09.09 | Matthew | My uni actually has an Open Source Lab that I was thinking about applying to. |
| 06:09.13 | z3r0 | jaffoneh: try to get his reply before the deadline, just to avoid any problems |
| 06:09.35 | z3r0 | you still have 12 hours to go |
| 06:09.49 | Matthew | yeah... that's pressure, haah |
| 06:09.55 | jaffoneh | Hopefully he will reply before. |
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| 06:10.26 | Matthew | I'm guessing the graphical and game dev orgs are very popular? |
| 06:10.32 | PearlJam | jaffoneh: not possible. |
| 06:10.35 | omniter | jaffoneh, i don't see why you can't apply before he replies anyway. you don't need to make any modifications. as long as your application is acceptable by google, you can submit it now. whether or not your prof wants changes to it, it can come later. |
| 06:10.52 | omniter | Matthew, what makes you think that |
| 06:11.19 | jaffoneh | One last question, you mentioned that Google's office of open source programs accepted only 20 applications last year, is there a number for how many have applied (not for the whole summer of code, only for google's office of open source programs)? |
| 06:11.28 | Matthew | just guessing. It seems like it would be a popular field or project type to work on... no? |
| 06:11.41 | jaffoneh | omniter: I need the contact information he will provide me with as Google asks for this information |
| 06:11.44 | casinaroyale | !next |
| 06:11.45 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 06:12.22 | omniter | Matthew, oh i thought you said NOT popular. in that case, yeah, it is popular lol. |
| 06:12.28 | omniter | i myself applied to this category |
| 06:12.36 | omniter | jaffoneh, ah, i see |
| 06:12.43 | omniter | forgot about that... |
| 06:12.47 | Matthew | haha... I thought so. Popular = competative. |
| 06:12.58 | omniter | then ask him for that information first. |
| 06:13.08 | omniter | if he doesn't wanna do it, then when they call him later, he can decline |
| 06:13.19 | omniter | not much trouble, right? |
| 06:13.41 | omniter | Matthew, popular = more slots as well |
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| 06:13.51 | omniter | if you think it's your thing, go for it. |
| 06:13.56 | jaffoneh | he wants to do it and I guess he believes that the idea is worth applying but the only problem is waiting under the pressure that 12 hours are only left |
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| 06:14.37 | jaffoneh | One last question, you mentioned that Google's office of open source programs accepted only 20 applications last year, is there a number for how many have applied (not for the whole summer of code, only for google's office of open source programs)? |
| 06:14.37 | omniter | jaffoneh, go drink a coffee. take a walk. do jumping jacks. watch a tv drama... something |
| 06:14.57 | Matthew | hmmm... I'm feeling the pressure too. If I didn't have to sleep it wouldn't be a problem, haha. |
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| 06:17.25 | alexmaru | !extension |
| 06:17.25 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
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| 06:20.39 | Matthew | Is it safe to assume that graphics programming requires a solid knowledge of vector calculus? |
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| 06:20.50 | Matthew | I've only completed Vector Calc I |
| 06:21.09 | Landon | depends on what idea you take pu |
| 06:21.10 | Landon | up* |
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| 06:21.37 | omniter | Matthew, are you looking at crystalspace? |
| 06:21.50 | omniter | i just get a feeling that's what you're looking at lol |
| 06:22.01 | sanket | how much time is still left for submission? |
| 06:22.09 | omniter | sanket, 12 hours roughly |
| 06:22.12 | maco | are the orgs'"application templates" the entire thing for the proposal, or are we supposed to have that + a longer writeup? |
| 06:22.23 | omniter | maco, they're the entire thing |
| 06:22.24 | Landon | maco: I would say you want to have *at least* that |
| 06:22.34 | omniter | at least? |
| 06:22.36 | omniter | =\ |
| 06:22.39 | Landon | as in, that's your base |
| 06:22.42 | Landon | you can add more if you want |
| 06:22.44 | Landon | but don't have less |
| 06:22.52 | omniter | they're guidelines. |
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| 06:22.55 | Matthew | omniter: not yet... many others though |
| 06:23.02 | blast007 | I would say it depends on the org. Ask them. ;) |
| 06:23.02 | sanket | omniter, is it tough or there might be extension? |
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| 06:23.07 | maco | Landon: i think you're making omniter go "but but but that's a lot of reading! no long proposals!" |
| 06:23.07 | Landon | !deadline |
| 06:23.07 | socinfo | Error: "deadline" is not a valid command. |
| 06:23.09 | Landon | !extension |
| 06:23.09 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 06:23.13 | Landon | maco: hahaha |
| 06:23.17 | omniter | no extension |
| 06:23.55 | omniter | maco, i'm a student though. :p i don't care how long it is. i don't have to read it. XD |
| 06:24.05 | z3r0 | hey, quick question: are all applications public documents? |
| 06:24.12 | Landon | no |
| 06:24.17 | omniter | and yeah it depends on the org. my org's template included a "Anything Else" section |
| 06:24.23 | omniter | so it encompasses everything, really |
| 06:24.31 | Landon | just the abstract ( I believe that's only if you get accepted ) |
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| 06:24.57 | omniter | z3r0, only your org's mentors and admins can see it, i believe. and probably google too |
| 06:25.02 | z3r0 | so how do I make my application a private document? I just got a link "public view" once I saved the application |
| 06:25.13 | Landon | that's the view your mentors see |
| 06:25.27 | z3r0 | oh ok. thanks a lot Landon and omniter |
| 06:25.39 | jaffoneh | Thanks a lot for your help guys |
| 06:25.42 | omniter | np |
| 06:25.51 | Landon | goes to bust some circuits down to size |
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| 06:26.07 | Landon | too bad my laptop is dead :( |
| 06:26.11 | Landon | I might actually make progress |
| 06:26.49 | ajuonline | !extension |
| 06:26.49 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
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| 06:26.56 | ajuonline | PLEASE! |
| 06:27.01 | ajuonline | gets back |
| 06:27.18 | summatusmentis | fights with building code |
| 06:27.52 | Landon | ajuonline: sounds like you need to bust some ass? |
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| 06:28.02 | summatusmentis | ... |
| 06:28.08 | summatusmentis | actually, never mind |
| 06:28.12 | summatusmentis | I'll not be crude |
| 06:28.16 | Landon | has an arnold palmer, 2 raspberry mountain dews, and 2 bottles of water, and a bag of combos! |
| 06:28.19 | Landon | lets study! |
| 06:28.29 | summatusmentis | arnold palmer? |
| 06:28.38 | summatusmentis | also, combos? gross |
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| 06:29.37 | Landon | summatusmentis: half lemonade, half tea! all nasty! |
| 06:29.46 | Landon | summatusmentis: blame [mharrison] for that |
| 06:29.51 | glaksmono | haiyaaa.. |
| 06:29.55 | glaksmono | finished my proposal |
| 06:30.04 | summatusmentis | Landon: why would anyone drink that? |
| 06:30.41 | Matthew | I have great ideas all the time, but under this pressure I'm drawing a total blank. Hoping something will spark one soon. |
| 06:30.46 | Matthew | QQ |
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| 06:36.58 | floppyears | hi guys |
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| 06:37.10 | Matthew | floppyears: hello |
| 06:37.10 | casinaroyale | I desperately need a deadline extenstion |
| 06:37.11 | antarus | !next |
| 06:37.11 | omniter | Matthew, work with something from the org's ideas list |
| 06:37.11 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 06:37.14 | omniter | floppyears, hi |
| 06:37.23 | omniter | casinaroyal... |
| 06:37.24 | omniter | !extension |
| 06:37.25 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 06:37.34 | floppyears | do I have to click the 'submit' button or is my application submitted as soon as I save it for the first time ? |
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| 06:37.58 | omniter | floppyears, there's a reason the button says "Submit" |
| 06:38.02 | Ryan52 | heh |
| 06:38.03 | omniter | -_- |
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| 06:38.07 | Matthew | erm... I think you just answered your own question, lol |
| 06:38.13 | Matthew | rofl |
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| 06:38.16 | omniter | lol |
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| 06:38.40 | casinaroyale | !learn |
| 06:38.40 | ojwb | jaffoneh: actually, the "google" org only accepted 3 last year, not 20 |
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| 06:39.02 | pi31415926535 | are there still a few proposals or is it growing as the deadline gets closer |
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| 06:39.34 | ojwb | they're flooding in I belive |
| 06:39.44 | omniter | !learn submit as do it NAO! |
| 06:39.44 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 06:39.45 | kblin | two of the three orgs I admin are seeing more proposals than last year already |
| 06:39.49 | omniter | !submit |
| 06:39.49 | socinfo | "submit" is do it NAO! |
| 06:39.54 | omniter | HAHAHA nice |
| 06:39.56 | icez | it's gonna blow at 6:59:59 :] |
| 06:40.28 | jaffoneh | ojwb : out of how many ? |
| 06:40.52 | ajuonline | Landon: just woke up. been on high meds. now still drowsy |
| 06:40.53 | ajuonline | :/ |
| 06:40.56 | kblin | the third only has C proposals, and it seems to be getting harder to find people who know C every year |
| 06:40.58 | ojwb | doesn't know |
| 06:41.12 | maco | what? |
| 06:41.14 | floppyears | omniter: thanks just wanting to make sure |
| 06:41.17 | maco | its hard to find people that know C? |
| 06:41.22 | ojwb | it has accepted 3 or 4 each year that I found the info for |
| 06:41.26 | maco | C's like the lingua franca for programming |
| 06:41.34 | omniter | if you know C++, don't you pretty much know C++? |
| 06:41.36 | omniter | i mean C |
| 06:41.39 | maco | yes |
| 06:41.43 | ojwb | maco: but unis tend to teach java |
| 06:41.55 | hub | I know both and I don't have a job |
| 06:41.59 | hub | is that a deal? |
| 06:42.00 | maco | ojwb: well yeah mine mostly does too. we only get a month of C, but still! |
| 06:42.01 | Raim | omniter: nah, if you know C++ you are lost in abstraction via OOP ;) |
| 06:42.24 | omniter | yeah seriously... first it was highschool:java, uni:C++. now it's highschool:basic/python/turing, uni:java/python |
| 06:42.25 | Matthew | what is the "foss" tag? |
| 06:42.27 | maco | ive found java to be a completely useless language |
| 06:42.36 | p_l | kblin: dimnishing C skills? I guess it's bad&good at the same time |
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| 06:42.45 | Matthew | yeah, mine teaches Java much more. |
| 06:42.49 | kblin | p_l: I think it's bad |
| 06:42.50 | hub | in highschool they didn't have computer |
| 06:43.14 | p_l | kblin: I mean that those who have at least some C skills might find it good |
| 06:43.16 | kblin | p_l: there's a huge number of C projects that won't be ported to anything newer in ages |
| 06:43.16 | PearlJam | Matthew: seriously? free and open source software |
| 06:43.18 | icez | my high school only taught VB :S |
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| 06:43.31 | Matthew | funny, I never learned ANY sort of programming in High School |
| 06:43.37 | ojwb | wonders what genius thought that was a useful tag |
| 06:43.40 | p_l | kblin: And good for them, less they port to C++ and autotools, making them unportable |
| 06:43.45 | Matthew | computers were barely even USED when I was in High SChool |
| 06:43.46 | Matthew | lol |
| 06:43.47 | maco | C's the most useful language I can think of if you're interested in open source...i mean...all of GNOME, the kernel... |
| 06:44.08 | p_l | C is good as portable assembler |
| 06:44.12 | maco | icez: my hs taught VB for first year CS and Java for 2nd year |
| 06:44.31 | kblin | p_l: like could you imagine the kernel being done in C#? :) |
| 06:44.44 | p_l | my HS had Pascal in first year (second term added Delphi), PHP in second year, Linux administration in third year... |
| 06:44.47 | icez | my university started out with C++ and switched to Java the second semester...made a lot of students confused |
| 06:44.48 | maco | kblin: MS is trying... |
| 06:44.50 | p_l | kblin: I had seen it done? |
| 06:44.56 | Matthew | PearlJam: well SORRY!! I didn't know the acronym... jeez |
| 06:45.11 | thomastc | !bugs |
| 06:45.11 | socinfo | "bugs" is Melange bugs are tracked at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 06:45.13 | maco | Matthew: FLOSS too! Free/Libre OSS |
| 06:45.18 | PearlJam | na it is ok, perfectly. i thought u were being sarcastic :P |
| 06:45.37 | kblin | maco: I've never seen MS sources, but I really doubt that |
| 06:45.40 | Matthew | no, haha... I'm still new to this stuff. Really excited about it though. |
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| 06:45.58 | maco | kblin: they have a project to write an OS entirely in C# |
| 06:46.01 | PearlJam | np, everyone was a newbie sometime. |
| 06:46.08 | maco | kblin: i *think* it's one of their open source things |
| 06:46.13 | pc[away] | kblin: Singularity kernel, it's a research project |
| 06:46.18 | p_l | kblin: It's done in S#, which is less similar to Java and introduced some other stuff that wouldn't make it popular among Java-minded folks :D |
| 06:46.23 | Matthew | yeah |
| 06:46.27 | kblin | maco: dunno. I don't look at microsoft code out of principle |
| 06:46.35 | PearlJam | but of course entirely C# is never possible. |
| 06:46.42 | maco | kblin: S#? wait....what happened to D-R#? |
| 06:46.47 | pcmattman | it has a small amount of bootstrap code, then the rest is a variant of C# |
| 06:46.57 | Matthew | Ok... question |
| 06:47.07 | kblin | maco: we had to disqualify a student for having looked at the Windows Research Kernel |
| 06:47.18 | maco | kblin: why's that? |
| 06:47.21 | p_l | kblin: why? |
| 06:47.30 | maco | are you doing linux kernel stuff? |
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| 06:47.39 | maco | wait...the kernel's not on the mentor list is it? |
| 06:47.42 | maco | O_o |
| 06:47.52 | Matthew | Should I go after the C++ projects more, even though I'm more fluent in Java (mostly because I've used it more recently)?? Though I AM taking a Data Structures class this term which focuses on using C in gcc. |
| 06:47.53 | kblin | maco: no, Wine |
| 06:48.04 | kblin | p_l: copyright concerns |
| 06:48.09 | pcmattman | ahh |
| 06:48.11 | pcmattman | that makes sense now |
| 06:48.26 | p_l | kblin: ehh... |
| 06:48.26 | pcmattman | Matthew: go after what you know you can do in 3 months to completion |
| 06:48.58 | Matthew | yikes... well, unfortunately I'm more competant in Java. *hangs head* |
| 06:49.09 | p_l | or make substantial work of it in those 3 months :) |
| 06:49.11 | PearlJam | Data structures are like arrays, trees and linked list. OOP is something else. |
| 06:49.13 | Matthew | I may be caught up in my C a bit after this term though.... MAYBE!! |
| 06:49.27 | makmanalp | Matthew: i wouldn't depend on maybe |
| 06:49.28 | Matthew | yeah, of course. |
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| 06:50.02 | Matthew | well, I learned Java pretty solid in just a term. |
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| 06:50.13 | omniter | i'm surprised how many people see GSoC as just some kind of "learning experience", where an org holds their hands and walks them through the process of open source development, risk free. |
| 06:50.18 | Matthew | I pick up coding quite quickly... much quicker than I learn other things, haha |
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| 06:50.25 | p_l | sleeps through java lectures |
| 06:50.41 | kblin | Matthew: Actually I'd go for something that you are interested in |
| 06:50.44 | omniter | it's an actual job. if you don't have the skills or experience, don't bother |
| 06:50.50 | p_l | documentation fills the parts I can't figure out |
| 06:50.56 | pcmattman | i see GSoC as an opportunity to contribute to the community and get paid for doing it, i don't need "learning experiences" from GSoC - that's what university is for :) |
| 06:51.01 | kblin | omniter: I disagree |
| 06:51.11 | makmanalp | p_l: you could say that for a lot of things |
| 06:51.12 | kblin | pcmattman: haha, good one |
| 06:51.19 | Matthew | omniter: I disagree too. |
| 06:51.30 | p_l | I'm combining both "learning experience" and "job" aspects. |
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| 06:51.34 | Matthew | Otherwise what's the point of an INTERNSHIP!? |
| 06:51.35 | kblin | pcmattman: I've seen very few universities that teach you programming as used in real projects |
| 06:51.45 | omniter | i said "just" a learning experience. |
| 06:51.46 | Matthew | I agree with p_l |
| 06:51.51 | omniter | of course gsoc is a learning experience. i know that |
| 06:52.01 | Matthew | oh, ok |
| 06:52.09 | Matthew | haha.. because really, everything in life should be |
| 06:52.10 | omniter | but it's also a real job that needs you to have had some previous experience |
| 06:52.12 | pcmattman | kblin: my university has several "Project" subjects; either way i feel that university gives you the skills, you then apply those to projects |
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| 06:52.22 | omniter | have* not have had |
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| 06:52.35 | Matthew | I think of it more of a bridge from the uni experience to the real world |
| 06:52.43 | pcmattman | brb |
| 06:52.52 | the9a3eedi | I just finished watching all 3 LotR movies for the first time (I have never watched them before) |
| 06:52.52 | Matthew | I think that's the idea that GSoC was founded on too... |
| 06:52.53 | kblin | pcmattman: when I did my first GSoC, I realized that while I thought I knew programming, I knew almost nothing about programming |
| 06:52.55 | the9a3eedi | and I must say |
| 06:53.04 | maco | this is the first year i actually know how to code well enough to apply |
| 06:53.29 | Matthew | kblin: exactly.. I'm expecting the same experience, lol |
| 06:53.29 | omniter | Matthew, naw, that's not it. GSoC is to encourage open source development... which is quite different from industry programming |
| 06:53.36 | the9a3eedi | I'm sure there is a huge number of Frodo x Sam fanfictions around. seriously they act in the movie as if theyre in love or something :P |
| 06:53.53 | maco | the9a3eedi: er....off topic? |
| 06:54.05 | omniter | yeah... QUITE off topic |
| 06:54.07 | omniter | lol |
| 06:54.13 | Matthew | well, the end result is different yes, but I think the process is more comparable than that of uni learning |
| 06:54.19 | kblin | omniter: I'm not sure about that.. but then, almost all if my paid jobs programming so far were on OSS code |
| 06:54.21 | maco | Matthew: i agree |
| 06:54.25 | p_l | the9a3eedi: look for #yaoi or #slash ;-) |
| 06:54.31 | Matthew | lol |
| 06:54.31 | the9a3eedi | sorry lol. just had to scream it out :P |
| 06:54.38 | maco | in uni, you are given pristine code, never been touched by anyone else, well-commented... |
| 06:54.56 | the9a3eedi | time to submit applications now |
| 06:55.02 | Matthew | yeah... me too |
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| 06:55.12 | Matthew | It's already midnight... gotta get crackin |
| 06:55.13 | maco | in real life, at least based on what i've touched of GNOME, the license and "FIXME" are the only comments you will ever encounter in real code |
| 06:55.19 | icez | maco, we had to fix the teacher's code here sometimes :p |
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| 06:55.27 | maco | its messy, you need to spend a day just reading it and finding out what the heck it does... |
| 06:55.33 | kblin | maco: really? that sucks |
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| 06:55.44 | kblin | maco: even for an open source project |
| 06:55.55 | p_l | maco: with idiotic specs that make you scream "How *NOT* to design programs" that you have to follow, "easy" libraries that are worse than ones supplied by language standard implementation etc? :P |
| 06:55.56 | Matthew | maco: yeah, exactly. That's what I hate, but once you get past that part, it becomes quite fun I think. |
| 06:55.59 | maco | kblin: where "a day"= 8 hours, not 24 |
| 06:56.00 | kblin | maco: samba has parts of code with cute ascii art explaining how it works |
| 06:56.02 | z3r0 | another quick question: after I save a document, should it appear under my "List Documents"? |
| 06:56.28 | kblin | maco: and others that are like "change this structure and break it for 64bit, and I'll personally rip your guts out" |
| 06:56.43 | kblin | and tombstones |
| 06:56.43 | PearlJam | z3r0: no. |
| 06:56.44 | Matthew | I'm an EXTREME neat freak when it comes to coding and commenting. I always make my code as need and understandable as possible. |
| 06:56.47 | maco | kblin: but yeah, i think all the commetns ive ever seen in GNOME are "this code is licensed under the gplv2..." "FIXME" or "TODO" |
| 06:57.03 | kblin | for pieces of code that were horrible and ripped out again |
| 06:57.04 | maco | oh wait, one time it was "TODO: stop using unix domain sockets" |
| 06:57.06 | z3r0 | PearlJam: thanks, so how do I see my applications? |
| 06:57.14 | PearlJam | List my student proposals. |
| 06:57.18 | p_l | kblin: I have such comment in some code I wrote for MoinMoin instance that ran at my summer job.. "change format on page and YOU are fixing those regexes" |
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| 06:57.39 | makmanalp | p_l: heh |
| 06:57.39 | PearlJam | code complete |
| 06:57.40 | maco | Matthew: so when you work on these, you'll be submitting patches where 1/3 is the code you wrote and the other 2/3 are comments you added to everyone else's code? |
| 06:57.44 | icez | z3r0, List Student Proposals |
| 06:57.47 | PearlJam | says that code should be self explanatory. |
| 06:57.48 | z3r0 | PearlJam: cheers! |
| 06:59.12 | Matthew | maco: no no no... not at all. No more than 20% of what I write are comments. |
| 06:59.33 | maco | Matthew: i meant adding comments to the code you didnt write to make up for its authors not writing any comments at all |
| 06:59.38 | Matthew | They're mostly little nots that help to indicate what should be happening at any given point in my code. |
| 06:59.51 | maco | one of the guys i work with found "/* this will be removed in the 1989 code cleanup*/" a few weeks ago |
| 07:00.19 | z3r0 | lol maco |
| 07:00.20 | Matthew | oh, well to some degree I suspect that will be necessary. I mean I have to read it anyway to figure out what is going on and commenting along the way would help to remind me and future programmers. |
| 07:00.25 | PearlJam | ha ha |
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| 07:00.46 | Matthew | PearlJam: yes, well written code SHOULD be. |
| 07:00.51 | maco | that's on OpenAFS if any of you are applying to that one |
| 07:01.04 | Matthew | LOL maco |
| 07:01.06 | pushkalcodes | !next |
| 07:01.06 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 07:01.10 | maco | obviously, i cant apply to it, since that's already my job |
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| 07:01.31 | Matthew | afk... must apply |
| 07:01.40 | p_l | maco: it's fun when you find code marked with "this is to support ITS" in an app that isn't compilable on that system (which was declared 'dead' in 1990) in code of app you are running :> |
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| 07:04.17 | ThomasWaldmann | someone knows about the total application numbers yet compared to last year? |
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| 07:04.51 | thiago_home | we don't have the latest numbers |
| 07:05.00 | thiago_home | but it looks like there are less applications than last year |
| 07:05.13 | icez | was about 2200+ 2 days ago |
| 07:05.32 | icez | of people with proposals sent...which should have changed drastically by now |
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| 07:06.06 | LAZy_BOy | icez, is that the number of people or the number of proposals? |
| 07:06.13 | icez | people with proposals |
| 07:06.32 | icez | there were ~4000+ actual accounts I thin |
| 07:06.34 | icez | k* |
| 07:06.56 | LAZy_BOy | but considering one person can have up to 20 proposals, there were probably a lot of proposals too |
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| 07:07.18 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: as of yesterday evening LH said there were ~3500 applications |
| 07:07.33 | icez | LAZy_BOy, I think about 7000? but I'm not sure :P |
| 07:07.35 | makmanalp | eh, if a person did 20 proposals, either they had a LOT of free time or their proposals were substandard |
| 07:07.46 | LAZy_BOy | true, i only did one :) |
| 07:07.48 | thiago_home | we're about to reach the 2007 levels now |
| 07:07.55 | omniter | i only did one too lol |
| 07:08.01 | floppyears | how many applications do people do in average? |
| 07:08.05 | LAZy_BOy | watch /me get rejected |
| 07:08.09 | LAZy_BOy | haha |
| 07:08.14 | omniter | floppyears, probably 1.5? lol |
| 07:08.52 | icez | well assuming everyone applied for the same amount it'd be about 3/student but I wouldn't count on that |
| 07:09.19 | thiago_home | considering there are more students than applications at last check, there is on average 0.5 applications per student |
| 07:10.25 | ThomasWaldmann | hmm, we currently have 4 apps and that is quite much below 2008. maybe we put the bar too high this time. |
| 07:10.33 | thiago_home | are they any good? |
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| 07:10.52 | LAZy_BOy | Thomas, what org do you represent? |
| 07:11.03 | ThomasWaldmann | LAZy_BOy: MoinMoin |
| 07:11.26 | omniter | LessLess? |
| 07:11.29 | omniter | :D |
| 07:11.37 | ThomasWaldmann | thiago_home: 3 are good, 1 is overlapping with one of the others |
| 07:11.58 | thiago_home | ThomasWaldmann: if 3 is a good slot count for you, then it looks like you're set |
| 07:12.10 | ThomasWaldmann | omniter: you are french? :) |
| 07:12.14 | LAZy_BOy | I don't know Python |
| 07:12.21 | LAZy_BOy | seems like a lot of people are using it these days |
| 07:12.26 | LAZy_BOy | maybe I should learn it |
| 07:12.33 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: two of my three orgs surpassed their application count from last year |
| 07:12.37 | p_l | LAZy_BOy: what do you program in? |
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| 07:12.44 | omniter | non, je ne suis pas. mais je parles un peu. |
| 07:12.50 | LAZy_BOy | C/C++/PHP/Assembly |
| 07:12.50 | makmanalp | LAZy_BOy: it doesn't take much to learn to use it, but there's much more to it than it seems |
| 07:12.52 | LAZy_BOy | Java maybe |
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| 07:12.59 | ThomasWaldmann | thiago_home: last time it was 6 slots, and we currently have 6 mentors |
| 07:12.59 | thiago_home | kblin: we're still under 2008, but we're closing in on 2007 now |
| 07:13.06 | makmanalp | omniter: haha! je parle un peu aussi |
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| 07:13.25 | harlan | makmanalp: You are a small australian? |
| 07:13.28 | omniter | bien sur! je suis canadien! :p |
| 07:13.31 | omniter | LMFAO HAHAHAHAHA |
| 07:13.40 | omniter | small australian lol |
| 07:13.47 | ThomasWaldmann | LAZy_BOy: python is great for lazy boys :D |
| 07:13.51 | makmanalp | harlan: haha, what makes you think that? :) |
| 07:13.57 | makmanalp | harlan: i'm turkish, actually |
| 07:13.59 | omniter | you said "peu aussi" |
| 07:14.02 | thiago_home | with a 10% rush in the last 12 hours, we'd pass 2007 but be behind 2008 |
| 07:14.05 | omniter | it was a joke :p |
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| 07:14.11 | harlan | I decided to read your reply as "je suis un petit aussi" |
| 07:14.12 | makmanalp | oh har har har |
| 07:14.12 | thiago_home | if that's 20%, then we're at 2008 levels |
| 07:14.14 | makmanalp | :P |
| 07:14.31 | LAZy_BOy | Thomas, I'm not that lazy really, I tend to not do useless things though, this nickname is like 10 years old... And Im 21 |
| 07:14.45 | harlan | makmanalp: I am in awe of the food you are probably eating, day to day. |
| 07:14.50 | LAZy_BOy | Dont feel like changing it though:) |
| 07:14.55 | kblin | thiago_home: is the quality up? |
| 07:15.08 | thiago_home | kblin: it's very hard to judge |
| 07:15.20 | omniter | python is beautiful. it just doesn't have the necessary platform for certain things people would LOVE to use it for |
| 07:15.25 | thiago_home | kblin: we get too many to have a full view of the quality |
| 07:15.35 | kblin | true |
| 07:15.35 | makmanalp | harlan: heh, i'm studying in the US currently so you're in awe of chinese takeout and pizza. |
| 07:15.35 | thiago_home | kblin: instead, we pick the stellar applications out of the list |
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| 07:15.58 | harlan | where in the US? |
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| 07:16.18 | kblin | thiago_home: it's easier for me, even for all three orgs I admin, I only need to read about 40 apps total :) |
| 07:16.27 | makmanalp | harlan: worcester, MA currently, which is sorta close to boston |
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| 07:16.38 | makmanalp | i go to WPI |
| 07:16.38 | locutus4 | they didn't delay deadline ? |
| 07:16.40 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. say I was writing a proposal. and they ask me "What makes you motivated". |
| 07:16.46 | kblin | !extension |
| 07:16.46 | makmanalp | locutus4: nope |
| 07:16.46 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 07:16.48 | the9a3eedi | should I be talking about the project? or perhaps about GSoC? or both? |
| 07:16.56 | thiago_home | kblin: we're at 188 right now... |
| 07:16.58 | harlan | Yup - I know a *little* about that area. Not been there much. I'm on the west coast - in southern Oregon at the moment. |
| 07:17.03 | LAZy_BOy | !owned |
| 07:17.03 | socinfo | Error: "owned" is not a valid command. |
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| 07:17.07 | harlan | we have no decent chinese food here. |
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| 07:17.20 | the9a3eedi | will be funny if they dedcided to extend the deadline after all |
| 07:17.22 | the9a3eedi | APRIL FOOLS |
| 07:17.33 | rwcr | It's not April 1. |
| 07:17.34 | devvrat | !extension |
| 07:17.35 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 07:17.40 | LAZy_BOy | Why are people asking to extend the deadline, there is plenty of time left |
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| 07:17.44 | the9a3eedi | late april fools, sure why not :P |
| 07:17.47 | PearlJam | april 3 != april fools |
| 07:17.48 | devvrat | !next |
| 07:17.48 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 07:17.56 | rwcr | the9a3eedi: Don't get your hopes up. :-) |
| 07:17.56 | kblin | I didn't actually see a GSoC april fools gag this year |
| 07:18.07 | rwcr | Well, Google had CADIE. |
| 07:18.11 | makmanalp | harlan: ah, nice, i've always wanted to visit the west coast sometime |
| 07:18.12 | the9a3eedi | rwcr, lol |
| 07:18.15 | rwcr | Was there one last year? |
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| 07:18.21 | maco | Nightrose: this "tentative timeline" section on the KDE app... |
| 07:18.35 | omniter | the9a3eedi, talk about the project, and things pertaining to the org. everyone has the same kinda reasons for gsoc anyway. |
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| 07:18.38 | harlan | makmanalp: if you have the time, drive. Go thru lots of national parks and monuments. |
| 07:18.41 | the9a3eedi | meh, I dont need an extension anyway. I would certainly appreciate one, but whateever |
| 07:18.43 | thiago_home | maco: yes? |
| 07:18.46 | Nightrose | maco: jep? |
| 07:18.48 | scorche | seriously people...there has been about 2 weeks for the application time...if you are asking for an extension, you really should do less procrastination... |
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| 07:18.57 | omniter | but also, i think it's asking you about your source of motivation for what you do. |
| 07:19.08 | omniter | where does your passion for coding come from? |
| 07:19.09 | makmanalp | scorche: better planning, more like |
| 07:19.13 | maco | Nightrose, thiago_home: is that supposed to be a breakdown of how long each step will take? |
| 07:19.14 | scorche | that too |
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| 07:19.23 | omniter | but keep that to a minimum. discuss the project. |
| 07:19.23 | Nightrose | maco: yes |
| 07:19.28 | Nightrose | do it as good as you can |
| 07:19.50 | thiago_home | maco: but, as the name says, "tentative" |
| 07:19.51 | Nightrose | it is supposed to show that you thought about how to break down your project into smaller tasks |
| 07:19.59 | thiago_home | maco: it means we won't hold you to it if circumstances change |
| 07:19.59 | locutus4 | can anyone give me link to website with countdown ? |
| 07:20.07 | Nightrose | we are aware that it can't be 100% accurate ;-) |
| 07:20.12 | Nightrose | right |
| 07:20.13 | thiago_home | locutus4: scroll up |
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| 07:21.29 | kblin | rwcr: yeah.. all the menoring orgs were listed as using the WTFPL |
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| 07:21.50 | thiago_home | maco: think of it like this: we're judging you on your skills at work breakdown: do you understand yourself what you're proposing to do? |
| 07:21.50 | rwcr | Oh, nice. |
| 07:21.54 | maco | im not even sure the extent of the brokenness i'm attempting to apply to fix. i can name a few specific broken things, but i'm sure there's much more i haven't run into yet |
| 07:22.39 | Nightrose | maco: write down what you have so far and then thiago_home or I can have a look at it |
| 07:22.39 | jdrake | One thing that would be very nice is to be able to take a document from google docs and import it directly into the submission content. |
| 07:22.54 | maco | thiago_home: i want to make kontact/akonadi's attempts at importing resources from evolution data server be lossless |
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| 07:23.09 | maco | because its like a freakin jpeg right now |
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| 07:23.13 | thiago_home | maco: then reserve some time to research and understand the problem |
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| 07:23.26 | thiago_home | maco: that's exactly what we're looking for: how do you plan to attack the problem. |
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| 07:23.54 | maco | 1/2 the problem is figuring out what to do |
| 07:23.59 | maco | for mostany bug |
| 07:24.07 | Nightrose | heh that's fine then |
| 07:24.09 | Nightrose | write that down |
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| 07:24.21 | Nightrose | research and so on should be in there as well |
| 07:24.29 | Nightrose | design and so on as well |
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| 07:24.58 | ilpuccio | -_-' |
| 07:25.06 | PearlJam | kde mentors here i guess? |
| 07:25.12 | Nightrose | PearlJam: yes |
| 07:25.35 | PearlJam | aah cool. i was informed that i had the unique distinction of being the first to submit the KDE application :) |
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| 07:25.43 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 07:25.44 | Nightrose | nice |
| 07:25.47 | the9a3eedi | what is usually written in an abstract? I haven't written a proposal in a long time, so yeah :P |
| 07:25.51 | the9a3eedi | a summary of what you're going to do? |
| 07:25.57 | p_l | the9a3eedi: think of scientific paper |
| 07:25.57 | Nightrose | the9a3eedi: yes |
| 07:26.00 | Voldemort | !orgbylang |
| 07:26.01 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 07:26.07 | floppyears | how can I view my application and see when I last submitted it ? |
| 07:26.22 | PearlJam | floppyears: click on 'List my student proposals' |
| 07:26.39 | PearlJam | you can see the date when you last modified it. |
| 07:27.19 | floppyears | PearlJam: yeah, but last modified != last submission |
| 07:27.22 | floppyears | unless I got it wrong |
| 07:27.38 | PearlJam | what do you mean last submitted? |
| 07:28.16 | omniter | floppyears, you only submit once, and keep modifying til the deadline |
| 07:28.38 | omniter | modifications are saved to your submitted proposal. you don't need to resubmit |
| 07:28.56 | omniter | so there's only the "last modified" time |
| 07:29.11 | omniter | and one initial "submitted" time |
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| 07:31.40 | floppyears | thanks guys |
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| 07:32.45 | koopersmith | omniter: that was quite helpful, thanks |
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| 07:32.56 | omniter | np |
| 07:33.02 | omniter | wait what, you didn't ask anything |
| 07:33.04 | omniter | =\ |
| 07:33.17 | PearlJam | maybe he read what you wrote to floppyears |
| 07:33.20 | PearlJam | :) |
| 07:33.22 | omniter | ah okay |
| 07:33.50 | floppyears | omniter: you're full of so much handy info that people can pre-emptively thank you |
| 07:34.10 | omniter | i think he's just a tech-support-scavenger |
| 07:34.13 | omniter | =\ |
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| 07:35.07 | omniter | my god, i have a final in 5 hours and i can't fall asleep |
| 07:35.23 | omniter | i'm not even tired... and i've been up for 19 hours... |
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| 07:35.43 | omniter | oh crap... it must be that latte i had... |
| 07:35.53 | blast007 | omniter: step 1) is probably to sign off IRC ;) then again, I shouldn't talk.. I'll probably be up until 5AM |
| 07:36.20 | omniter | lol hell no i'm enjoying this. i've been exhausted all day. it feels good to be full of energy |
| 07:36.25 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 07:36.50 | omniter | and i'm not worried about the test. i could just sit on it, fart on it, hand it in and still get a 90 |
| 07:36.52 | floppyears | can't wait to go to bed :( |
| 07:37.10 | Matthew | omniter: what class? |
| 07:37.29 | omniter | Matthew, Logic for Computer Science |
| 07:37.39 | omniter | this test is on fuzzy logic |
| 07:38.05 | Matthew | Hmmmm... Logic? I've never heard of a class like that. I guess I took the electrical engineering version. |
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| 07:38.18 | Matthew | What's the course number? or what year is it? |
| 07:38.29 | omniter | course number wouldnt matter. we're not in the same school |
| 07:38.35 | omniter | it's a second year Cognitive Science course. |
| 07:38.44 | omniter | in our school, Cognitive Science is under Computing |
| 07:39.00 | Matthew | ah... I think I've taken something similar then |
| 07:39.05 | omniter | whereas typically in other schools it's under Humanities or something |
| 07:39.09 | Matthew | I took it for Electrical Engineering though |
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| 07:39.28 | Matthew | are you studying logic gates and such? |
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| 07:39.50 | omniter | naw. not hardware level logic. just... theory |
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| 07:40.28 | Matthew | well... I think it's similar to what I took. |
| 07:40.38 | Matthew | anyway... back to my apps... cheers! |
| 07:40.39 | omniter | natural deduction, proofs, fuzzy logic, semantic entailment, linear-time temporal logic, state transitions... that kinda stuff |
| 07:40.43 | PearlJam | hardware : logic gates. AND OR NOR |
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| 07:40.47 | omniter | later |
| 07:40.48 | PearlJam | fuzzy logic is theory. |
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| 07:41.16 | omniter | PearlJam, yeah. did i say something else? :S |
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| 07:41.35 | PearlJam | i was pointing it to Matthew :) |
| 07:41.39 | omniter | ah |
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| 07:45.59 | pilpi | Hi. I am receiving support for May, during which I cannot receive any payments, so I would like to know (provided I get accepted, of course;) if it is possible to delay the first payment (May 23) to June? Thanks. |
| 07:46.46 | maco | pilpi: could you just not cash the check til june? |
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| 07:47.31 | pilpi | maco, I am Finnish and in general nobody deals in checks here. I have the impression that google issues payments directly to accounts. |
| 07:47.37 | HanzZ_ | !timeline |
| 07:47.37 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 07:47.39 | ilpuccio | yesterday I did the registration for mentorig. Who moderate registrations ? Or, which is the process ? |
| 07:47.41 | HanzZ_ | !next |
| 07:47.41 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 07:48.00 | Nightrose | ilpuccio: your org's admin does |
| 07:48.11 | Voldemort | !lh |
| 07:48.11 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 07:48.15 | maco | pilpi: we still use checks in the US, so... |
| 07:48.17 | Nightrose | so you need to talk to him or her |
| 07:48.38 | pilpi | maco, they do pay to bank accounts in google adsense, though? |
| 07:48.43 | ojwb | from what I gathered, students get a prepay credit card with the payment |
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| 07:48.52 | maco | pilpi: ooo i forgot about that |
| 07:48.57 | Nightrose | that's how it worked last year yes |
| 07:49.07 | Nightrose | (credit card) |
| 07:49.13 | pilpi | ojwb, oh that's.. interesting |
| 07:49.31 | ojwb | guesses it's easier than tracking payments to so many bank accounts |
| 07:49.33 | ilpuccio | Nightrose: tnx |
| 07:49.39 | ojwb | and they can easily pay in 3 chunks |
| 07:49.48 | pilpi | ojwb, I wonder how our tax authorities deal with that |
| 07:50.03 | ojwb | as income I'd imagine |
| 07:50.07 | ojwb | but ask them |
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| 07:50.37 | jdrake | It is interesting - income for host country or income for states (i.e. foreign tax return) |
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| 07:50.50 | pilpi | ojwb, how do I? |
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| 07:51.14 | ojwb | by phone or online? |
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| 07:53.40 | icez | most likely gsoc is going to be long gone before you get a reply :P |
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| 07:55.37 | bertrand_cachet | Hi, Just to be sure about rules. I hear that students will not be allowed to update their proposal after April 4th. Can we ask them to link other documents in their proposal and to update this linked documents after April 4th. |
| 07:55.39 | bertrand_cachet | ? |
| 07:56.47 | pilpi | ojwb, icez right, I guess I'll talk to the Moodle gsoc organizer then. Thanks! |
| 07:57.05 | icez | bertrand_cachet, there's an option to leave comments, I'm sure that could work |
| 07:58.35 | ojwb | apparently there may be an option added so mentors can allow students to make an update if they want, but it wasn't clear when that would get implemented - it might be for next year I guess |
| 07:58.35 | bertrand_cachet | icez: I agree about comments, that will work. But some students ahve done lovely diagrams and they may need to update them |
| 07:58.56 | bertrand_cachet | ojwb: OK |
| 07:59.00 | Voldemort | !stat |
| 07:59.01 | socinfo | Error: "stat" is not a valid command. |
| 07:59.05 | Voldemort | !stats |
| 07:59.05 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 07:59.29 | omniter | bertrand_cachet, they could just upload the diagrams somewhere, and post the links in the comments. or they could start a thread in your org's forums or something |
| 07:59.49 | icez | ...and diagrams/images can be added to the comments too |
| 08:00.05 | omniter | ah. there you go |
| 08:00.14 | omniter | i wasn't aware html was allowed in the comments :o |
| 08:00.28 | bertrand_cachet | we have a lot of ideas about how ot do this, just want to be sure that it is allowed by GSoC |
| 08:00.30 | icez | well it's using the same kind of wysiwyg |
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| 08:00.56 | bertrand_cachet | i thought: "they close update on proposal" maybe they don't want students to make update at all |
| 08:01.01 | omniter | diagrams... why didn't i think of that. |
| 08:01.09 | icez | hah |
| 08:01.10 | the9a3eedi | !timeline |
| 08:01.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 08:01.21 | icez | bertrand_cachet, which organization are you from? |
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| 08:01.31 | bertrand_cachet | icez: don't know about html in comment, great news |
| 08:01.39 | bertrand_cachet | icez: winlibre |
| 08:01.49 | icez | cool |
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| 08:02.02 | icez | i have a friend applying for you guys |
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| 08:02.30 | bertrand_cachet | i will inform students about leaving html content in comments, so that all info is grouped in the same place |
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| 08:02.38 | bertrand_cachet | icez: who, if i can ask ? |
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| 08:04.04 | thebolt | Hi |
| 08:05.10 | deltazero | hi, I have a question. If a student applies for more than one project, and more than one project is sucessful, who decides which project the student does? |
| 08:05.32 | omniter | a meeting is held between the orgs and google, and they decide |
| 08:05.35 | ojwb | the orgs do; google decides if they can't |
| 08:06.00 | deltazero | ok thanks |
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| 08:06.05 | ojwb | you can tell them if you have a preference, but it's ultimately assumed you're happy to do a project if you applied for it |
| 08:06.31 | kblin | most people are pretty reasonable here |
| 08:06.32 | deltazero | brilliant, thankyou for the feedback. |
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| 08:12.18 | ojwb | kblin: yeah, it's usually not being unreasonable that's the issue though - it's the knock on effects for each org |
| 08:12.43 | kblin | sure |
| 08:12.45 | ojwb | it's unlikely an org would be allowed to have all its potential students taken away, for example |
| 08:13.09 | kblin | that'd be unreasonable |
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| 08:13.50 | kblin | ojwb: I fully agree that I'd assume a student wouldn't apply for a project he wouldn't want to do |
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| 08:14.38 | omniter | does each org have a mentor / admin in this channel? or is that completely up to them? |
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| 08:14.53 | ojwb | it's up to the mentors where they hang out |
| 08:15.04 | ojwb | many orgs do not have a "rep" here |
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| 08:15.19 | omniter | that's what i thought |
| 08:15.20 | chunmun | !extension |
| 08:15.20 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 08:15.27 | chunmun | woo.. |
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| 08:16.02 | chunmun | !next |
| 08:16.02 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 08:16.33 | omniter | !submit |
| 08:16.34 | socinfo | "submit" is do it NAO! |
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| 08:17.12 | icez | don't become one of the lolcats |
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| 08:19.54 | the9a3eedi | Awesome. my first submission. worked so hard on it. It can't be rejected |
| 08:19.57 | dewaard | elaborating on deltazero's question, is there any way to influence what project you can work on as a student in a scenario where two projects can accepted apart from saying "I also applied to do X and if that gets accepted I will prefer to do that" in an application? I'm not sure how that would pan out ;) |
| 08:20.09 | thebolt | kblin: completed my course today.. and passed certification so now i am certified to dive any mix with more than 20% oxygen down as deep as i like, for as long as i like ;) |
| 08:20.48 | kblin | thebolt: as deep as you like? wow |
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| 08:21.01 | omniter | the9a3eedi, your first? you're gonna do more? :) |
| 08:21.03 | kblin | thebolt: how do you learn to go to 120m with 50% oxygen? ;) |
| 08:21.28 | dewaard | because as I understand it, it will be worked out between the projects and google before the student even knows the status of his application? |
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| 08:21.41 | dewaard | or are you contacted to have a say in the matter? |
| 08:22.09 | arma | dewaard: if in doubt, talk to your organization. explain your interests. the more you talk to them, the more they'll like you. |
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| 08:23.50 | makmanalp | arma: that's good advice |
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| 08:24.48 | the9a3eedi | omniter, yeah, my first. I did it for the idea I'm mainly interested in. I'm planning to do more. |
| 08:24.58 | the9a3eedi | but it's 4:24AM and I'm tired :( |
| 08:24.59 | dewaard | arma, well, I'll just go full transparency I suppose, informing both organizations I am applying to of my other application and that while I'm very interested in both project I'm more exciting about one of them. However, that is quite a risk, because I'm not sure the second choice organization will have the wisdom to appreciate the honesty ;) |
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| 08:25.50 | Nightrose | dewaard: which orgs are we talking abou? |
| 08:25.59 | dewaard | Nightrose, Xiph and Turbogears. |
| 08:26.00 | thebolt | kblin: well, you just go there.. ;) but i wouldn't suggest going deeper than 21m with 50% ;) |
| 08:26.14 | Nightrose | dewaard: ok can't help you with that then :) |
| 08:26.20 | dewaard | Nightrose, I thought so ;) |
| 08:27.19 | dewaard | both projects are exciting, but one is strongly in line with things I'm already experienced with, so given the choice my natural inclination is to use GSoC to discover new territory ;) |
| 08:27.25 | ojwb | dewaard: if you're good, the second org will probably be happy if they're lucky enough to have you anyway |
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| 08:28.11 | Zain | i'm so confused about what to put in the abstract part of my proposal |
| 08:28.27 | stevenj | it's just a summary of your project :) |
| 08:28.30 | dewaard | ojwb, that is one way to look at it yes, and as I'm very experienced with the subject matter for my second choice project they will probably understand that I'm the right man for the job regardless ;) |
| 08:28.43 | Zain | 500 characters is really long, though! practically my entire proposal is 500 characters |
| 08:28.48 | dewaard | thanks for your input, everyone! :) |
| 08:29.06 | arma | dewaard: your goal is to maximize the chances you get a project you want, and that you succeed well with your project. not to maximize the chance that somebody offers you a job. |
| 08:29.14 | stevenj | are you mistaking characters for words? |
| 08:29.20 | Zain | whoa, i totally am |
| 08:29.24 | codestasher | i think he is |
| 08:29.31 | ojwb | Zain: if your whole proposal is 500 chars, you've really no chance of being accepted, so the abstract is irrelevant |
| 08:29.31 | Zain | this totally makes way more sense now |
| 08:29.34 | stevenj | well, at least your proposal is longer than that ;) |
| 08:29.44 | Zain | thanks. brain is fried |
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| 08:30.05 | dewaard | arma, very true. |
| 08:30.07 | codestasher | ojwb are you a mentor?? |
| 08:30.17 | ojwb | well, not yet |
| 08:30.29 | dewaard | Zain, that is probably a good thing, the shorter the better. I have the reverse problem, wishing my application was shorter. ;) |
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| 08:30.52 | Zain | dewaard: heh. i think a 500 character application is a little *too* short |
| 08:30.54 | ojwb | but I probably will be |
| 08:31.06 | apaliwal | how much time left in the deadline |
| 08:31.07 | codestasher | in how much time from time |
| 08:31.08 | Zain | i'm at 625 words for my content and 300 characters for my abstract. i'm happy with that |
| 08:31.12 | apaliwal | and is there any extension |
| 08:31.13 | Landon | I think I'd have trouble fitting my timeline in 500chars |
| 08:31.24 | Landon | !extension |
| 08:31.24 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 08:31.34 | codestasher | ojwb in how much time form now?? |
| 08:31.41 | codestasher | *fron |
| 08:31.43 | ojwb | until when? |
| 08:31.47 | Zain | 10.5 hours until deadline |
| 08:31.51 | codestasher | to become a mentor |
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| 08:32.01 | Zain | sorry, until deadline for students to submit |
| 08:32.15 | kblin | codestasher: it's in the timeline |
| 08:32.17 | kblin | !timeline |
| 08:32.18 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 08:32.20 | ojwb | i guess we know finally when the students know |
| 08:32.34 | ojwb | or slightly before |
| 08:32.39 | koopersmith | dewaard: I'm actually in a (somewhat) similar boat. I thought of a project initially for one organization, but feel that a slightly different version fits a lot nicer at another (my preferred one), and I'm not sure whether to apply to both. |
| 08:32.45 | codestasher | kblin i am asking ojwb when will he become a mentor, iam not asking about the deadline |
| 08:32.59 | kblin | oh, sorry :) |
| 08:33.00 | ojwb | but I think I'll be deciding which projects I want to mentor at the current rate |
| 08:33.19 | codestasher | np kblin |
| 08:33.49 | ojwb | i seem a bit oversubsribed at the moment |
| 08:34.01 | dewaard | koopersmith, I would apply to both and have them fight for who gets the honor of working with you. on the other hand, if they both have a lot of applicants to pick from they might both think "oh, that is a good idea, but we can have the other organization use their slots for that". |
| 08:34.26 | dukeleto | students, remimber to spelchek! |
| 08:34.50 | dukeleto | !next |
| 08:34.50 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 08:35.05 | Voldemort | !spelchek |
| 08:35.06 | socinfo | Error: "spelchek" is not a valid command. |
| 08:35.12 | Voldemort | :P |
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| 08:35.25 | dukeleto | less than 10.5 hours peoples! Get those apps in! |
| 08:35.41 | aghisla | hurries up |
| 08:35.54 | Voldemort | too |
| 08:36.03 | the9a3eedi | gah. it feels like I should wait until next year for GSoC, and focus this year on learning API's, languages, reading code, and starting personal projects |
| 08:36.04 | koopersmith | dewaard: exactly, I'm not sure whether it'll help or hurt. I'll probably end up applying to both (because the projects do have significant differences at this point). I think I'll be forward with them about it as well. |
| 08:36.04 | icez | i should have waited at the last minute, i'm bored now :[ |
| 08:36.11 | the9a3eedi | because frankly, I have nothing :P |
| 08:36.25 | icez | the9a3eedi, nothing? |
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| 08:37.00 | the9a3eedi | icez: nothing special. just basic knowledge of C/C++/Java, and conceptual knowledge of object oriented design, GUI design, data structures, etc. |
| 08:37.14 | the9a3eedi | but nothing on real-world stuff.. APIs, languages, .. you know? |
| 08:37.24 | icez | you'll have about 1.5-2 months before starting to code to do research and all |
| 08:37.29 | Zain | i just want to make sure before I go to sleep: I hit "save" on my proposal, and it is showing up on the "List of my Student Proposals" page. I don't need to do anything else to submit it, right? |
| 08:37.30 | Voldemort | the9a3eedi: you can always go for easy projects:) |
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| 08:37.31 | koopersmith | i think icez meant GSoC ideas, not experience |
| 08:37.39 | the9a3eedi | Voldemort, easy projects are hard to find :P |
| 08:38.09 | the9a3eedi | I did apply for a project on amarok though. I hope I get accepted. I asked hte mentor and he said there's quite a lot of competition >_< |
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| 08:38.31 | Voldemort | the9a3eedi: level of 'easiness' depend on you :P |
| 08:38.34 | icez | aw, just stay positive |
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| 08:38.47 | the9a3eedi | trying to >_< |
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| 08:39.04 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. I was also thinking of applying for tux4kids |
| 08:39.05 | koopersmith | the9a3eedi, good luck. at least you've been talking to the mentor |
| 08:39.20 | the9a3eedi | koopersmith, well. I just sent him an email :P |
| 08:39.22 | icez | there's a tux4kids?:o |
| 08:39.28 | icez | that sounds interesting |
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| 08:39.36 | the9a3eedi | icez, yeah.. a couple of educational games for kids |
| 08:39.37 | koopersmith | still, that counts for something |
| 08:39.41 | saiyr | oh hi Zain |
| 08:39.58 | Zain | hai2u |
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| 08:40.07 | saiyr | didn't know you were back in school |
| 08:40.18 | Zain | yup, part time, but that counts for gsoc :D |
| 08:40.19 | saiyr | sjsu? |
| 08:40.25 | Voldemort | lol |
| 08:40.25 | the9a3eedi | I can't help but read the word "Zain" as good. that's what it means in khaleeji arabic :P |
| 08:40.42 | Zain | the9a3eedi: imagine how it feels to have it as a real name =P |
| 08:40.56 | the9a3eedi | lol. well it's got a good meaning lol |
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| 08:41.00 | the9a3eedi | so no problems |
| 08:41.09 | Zain | saiyr: are you my competition for django gsoc? :< |
| 08:41.15 | saiyr | haha, probably not |
| 08:41.23 | saiyr | i don't have much hope for django at this point |
| 08:41.33 | Voldemort | oblivate the9a3eedi :P |
| 08:41.36 | saiyr | i've focused most of my attention on mercurial since i wrote my django proposal |
| 08:41.44 | the9a3eedi | luckily for me, Amarok 2 is getting remade. So a lot of efetures arent implemented yet. |
| 08:41.45 | saiyr | doing that now, actually |
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| 08:42.04 | Zain | ah, cool. yeah, i wasn't planning on applying, but i had some awesome talks with JKM at pycon and i was convinced |
| 08:42.05 | saiyr | besides, you have an advantage of knowing some of the devs in person now :p |
| 08:42.13 | saiyr | and our areas are quite different |
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| 08:42.38 | Zain | yeah, yours is actual work, mine is like "MAEK ADMIN PURDY" |
| 08:43.36 | icez | purdy is important |
| 08:43.36 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. deadline for applications is at 3:00pm. it's 4:42AM and I'm rather tired. yet I need to submit more proposals.. Should I go sleep? |
| 08:43.36 | Zain | in fact, i might use that verbatim as my abstract |
| 08:43.36 | saiyr | haha, well some other people have a denorm library in the pipeline, which is why i don't have much hope for it |
| 08:43.36 | saiyr | i don't agree with their methodology, but it's there |
| 08:43.36 | dewaard | the9a3eedi, how many proposals are you actually writing? :) |
| 08:43.36 | the9a3eedi | dewaard, so far I wrote one :P |
| 08:43.37 | Zain | oh yeah. and multi-db support is almost guaranteed a spot. the guy proposing it is 18 years old!! |
| 08:43.37 | aghisla | the9a3eedi: yes. |
| 08:43.38 | the9a3eedi | but its for the project I'm most interested in |
| 08:43.41 | dewaard | the9a3eedi, I was originally thinking of three, but already went back to two ;) |
| 08:43.45 | the9a3eedi | and I wrote a lot :P |
| 08:43.51 | saiyr | yeah, but i've seen his name many times already, so i'm not surprised |
| 08:43.51 | the9a3eedi | at least, I think I wrote a lot |
| 08:43.57 | the9a3eedi | i even linked to a rough sketch of a GUI |
| 08:44.02 | the9a3eedi | that I made.. in MS Paint :P |
| 08:44.08 | Zain | hot |
| 08:44.16 | spectie | !timeline |
| 08:44.16 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 08:44.19 | saiyr | props to him :p i may try to start submitting small patches to django anyway |
| 08:44.31 | icez | i did that too using gimp but didn't link it |
| 08:44.31 | makmanalp | Zain: i don't think they'd approve a proposal just because a guy is 18 years old. They'd approve it if they thought he could pull it off. |
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| 08:44.57 | the9a3eedi | isnt django that project where one of the developers is 13 years old o_O |
| 08:44.58 | Zain | makmanalp: well, those were two independent thoughts that i jammed together. he's guaranteed a spot because he's already like *this* close to having a commit bit |
| 08:44.59 | saiyr | makmanalp: i think zain is just saying that because we're both a bit older now |
| 08:45.08 | icez | the9a3eedi, i think so |
| 08:45.15 | kblin | the9a3eedi: dmitry is a drupal dev |
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| 08:45.27 | dewaard | the9a3eedi, wouldn't surprise me, looking at Django :P |
| 08:45.30 | the9a3eedi | kblin,oh yeah. lol |
| 08:45.32 | dewaard | the9a3eedi, hehe, just kidding. |
| 08:45.36 | Zain | zing! |
| 08:45.52 | saiyr | idk about you guys but i was a master C programmer when i was 13 |
| 08:46.05 | Zain | he's serious ^ |
| 08:46.14 | the9a3eedi | I wasnt into programming much until very recently. like.. 2 years ago.. like.. before I started uni :P |
| 08:46.19 | saiyr | no i'm not, now you're gonna make them think i'm cocky :< |
| 08:46.21 | icez | i wish. i think at 13 i was learning VB 5 through the Help menu :[ |
| 08:46.24 | Zain | xD |
| 08:46.30 | the9a3eedi | back then the only programming I knew was BASIC :P |
| 08:46.30 | saiyr | trying to edge me out of the competition! |
| 08:46.37 | Zain | its all about playing dirty, man |
| 08:46.46 | aghisla | at 13 I hardly knew what a computer was |
| 08:46.49 | Voldemort | yep |
| 08:46.53 | kblin | shrugs |
| 08:46.55 | saiyr | lol |
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| 08:47.07 | Zain | i'm on the phone right now with jacob warning him about this guy named tangiel |
| 08:47.16 | saiyr | D: |
| 08:47.19 | kblin | I actually don't care if you're a genious if you don't fit into the project |
| 08:47.21 | the9a3eedi | as much as I loved computers since I was a kid.. my work on it has been generally.. non-productive. I guess. |
| 08:47.23 | saiyr | the9a3eedi: 2 years before starting uni is not so bad...any years before is good |
| 08:47.40 | kblin | open source has enough brilliant assholes as it is, imho |
| 08:47.48 | the9a3eedi | saiyr, nonono, I mean 2 years ago from now, when I started uni :P |
| 08:47.51 | icez | kblin, agreed |
| 08:47.56 | saiyr | Zain: it's ok, i actually grew up on the same street as him, so he knows you're a fraud |
| 08:47.58 | the9a3eedi | i.e., I started uni 2 years ago :P |
| 08:48.06 | Zain | haha! did you really? that's so cool |
| 08:48.14 | saiyr | the9a3eedi: oh, i'm kind of tired |
| 08:48.19 | Zain | i'm a total fanboy. i'm pretty sure he thinks i'm creepy. |
| 08:48.33 | saiyr | Zain: i wish, then i could get the hook ups |
| 08:48.33 | the9a3eedi | took computer science as a major, and naturally took an object oriented course first semester. and learnt java |
| 08:48.40 | Zain | he definitely did not appreciate the doll i made out of his back hair |
| 08:48.42 | the9a3eedi | saiyr, we all are :P |
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| 08:49.08 | saiyr | the9a3eedi: well not everyone lives on the side of the planet that is currently in early morning/late night :\ |
| 08:49.28 | saiyr | actually i've seen more international applicants than domestic |
| 08:49.38 | the9a3eedi | yes, but most people would be tired from having to write applications and worrying about the pinch :P |
| 08:49.38 | saiyr | Zain: what does that even mean o_O |
| 08:49.44 | the9a3eedi | as the deadline goes near |
| 08:49.46 | saiyr | fair point |
| 08:49.59 | PearlJam | Nightrose: how does KDE deal with multiple applications? you were going to say somethign about this a little while bakc. |
| 08:50.15 | kblin | I'm tired, and I didn't even submit an application ;) |
| 08:50.27 | kblin | of course it's because I had to get up too early |
| 08:50.49 | the9a3eedi | I wish there was a way to save a "draft" for an applcation when writing it on the browser. |
| 08:50.49 | saiyr | beats not sleeping at all :b |
| 08:51.06 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. maybe I should apply for a proposal for implementing a "save as draft" thing :P |
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| 08:51.40 | aghisla | hee hee hee |
| 08:51.40 | Zain | i was actually a little terrified that clicking "submit" would carve my proposal in stone and i wouldn't be able to edit it again |
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| 08:51.59 | kblin | thebolt: btw, I disagree about the emdl.. unless it can be opened in another widely used program, but that's a different discussion |
| 08:52.00 | saiyr | it is, once you click submit they back it up to tape |
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| 08:52.09 | koopersmith | Zain: I was for a while as well. it wasn't totally clear |
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| 08:52.24 | scorche | wow...lots of people submitting in this last day so far... |
| 08:52.31 | koopersmith | i'm not surprised |
| 08:52.31 | the9a3eedi | scorche: duh :P |
| 08:52.39 | Zain | I really just *had* to try it though, so I filled in the abstract with "I really hope I can edit this later, because I plan to fill it in" |
| 08:52.42 | scorche | wishes they all came and talked to us earlier |
| 08:52.42 | Zain | just in case |
| 08:52.57 | thebolt | kblin: well, yea.. that is more of a project management issue.. but i think its always good to keep source files around as they might/do contain more info than interchange formats like collada.. |
| 08:53.00 | saiyr | this says nothing about our work ethic, honest |
| 08:53.06 | Zain | lol |
| 08:53.55 | the9a3eedi | if I dont get accepted for GSoC.. I'd like to delve into stuff I'm interested in learning. starting with DS homebrew. |
| 08:54.08 | Zain | that sounds way more fun |
| 08:54.20 | saiyr | yeah, you should just not submit an application...:p |
| 08:54.27 | Zain | yeah, screw this. /withdraw |
| 08:54.31 | the9a3eedi | XD |
| 08:54.44 | Erant | the9a3eedi: Try #dsdev or #dsidev on blitzed. Or EFNet. |
| 08:54.52 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. i wonder if something like DS homebrew libraries can be considered for mentoring. I mean, homebrew is in the grey-area in terms of legality, right? |
| 08:54.57 | the9a3eedi | same thing for emulator |
| 08:54.59 | the9a3eedi | emulators* |
| 08:55.01 | Zain | i can totally see the ops copy/pasting my channel log into the private notes section of my proposal |
| 08:55.19 | koopersmith | if I don't accepted for GSoC... I might just do my proposal anyway? |
| 08:55.29 | saiyr | definitely, you're screwed Zain!! |
| 08:55.37 | kblin | koopersmith: usually, yes |
| 08:55.37 | saiyr | then again...i would be too |
| 08:55.39 | the9a3eedi | koopersmith, is it your own proposal? or taken from the ideas list? |
| 08:55.48 | scorche | Zain: now, what was your link_id again? ;) |
| 08:55.57 | saiyr | hmm |
| 08:56.00 | saiyr | changes nick |
| 08:56.04 | Zain | erm.... Daniel_Tang |
| 08:56.08 | saiyr | lol |
| 08:56.23 | saiyr | fine with that, doesn't point to me :) |
| 08:56.25 | koopersmith | the9a3eedi: it's my own at this point. I took some of the suggested ideas and ran with them |
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| 08:57.06 | kblin | koopersmith: if it doesn't conflict with an accepted proposal, most orgs are usually fine with that |
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| 08:57.26 | kblin | koopersmith: in the last years, google threw in a (non-gsoc) t-shirt as well |
| 08:57.46 | koopersmith | kblin: that's encouraging. :) it was a little too large in scope earlier though, so i'm trying to narrow it down |
| 08:57.51 | Nightrose | PearlJam: sorry was afk to take a shower |
| 08:57.52 | saiyr | are they nice soft american apparel t-shirts? :D |
| 08:57.52 | kblin | koopersmith: for students who completed their proposals even if they weren't accepted |
| 08:58.02 | Zain | is anyone else having trouble with underlines? I'm totally adding underlines to my proposal but they disappear when I save |
| 08:58.08 | Nightrose | PearlJam: we will try to guess what the student wants and what the project needs |
| 08:58.10 | koopersmith | kblin: that's awesome |
| 08:58.16 | saiyr | i had trouble with some bolding disappearing after submit, zain |
| 08:58.19 | saiyr | worked the second time though |
| 08:58.31 | Nightrose | PearlJam: if it is a not so vital project then we'll give it to the other org if they need it |
| 08:58.37 | saiyr | i didn't even add those bolds either, they were part of the template :\ |
| 08:58.44 | Zain | oh well. hopefully my 8th grade english teacher won't see me not underlining book titles |
| 08:58.45 | Nightrose | PearlJam: and let another student take the spot in KDE |
| 08:59.02 | PearlJam | Nightrose: should i make it clear to KDE that i have participated and why i need would prefer KDE first? |
| 08:59.07 | saiyr | haha, most people use italics for books on web |
| 08:59.19 | ojwb | underline for urls! |
| 08:59.22 | saiyr | actually i haven't seen an underlined book titled in years :< |
| 08:59.22 | Zain | most people use aol speak on teh web! |
| 08:59.23 | jbartosik | Zain: why wpould anyone underline book titles Oo |
| 08:59.28 | ozancaglayan | !deadline |
| 08:59.28 | socinfo | Error: "deadline" is not a valid command. |
| 08:59.31 | saiyr | including pdfs etc |
| 08:59.31 | ozancaglayan | !deadlines |
| 08:59.31 | socinfo | Error: "deadlines" is not a valid command. |
| 08:59.32 | Zain | ionno, thats what my english teachers taught me |
| 08:59.34 | ozancaglayan | !timeline |
| 08:59.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 08:59.35 | Nightrose | PearlJam: yes - that definitely helps with making a decision ;-) |
| 08:59.48 | saiyr | jbartosik: it is/was standard in writing years ago |
| 08:59.49 | Nightrose | PearlJam: and wrt to contributions: yes! mention them definitely |
| 09:00.06 | jbartosik | didn't know |
| 09:00.10 | Zain | fine, i'll be hip like you guys and <i> |
| 09:00.16 | Erant | the9a3eedi: If you're into the DS thing, you should talk to WinterMute. |
| 09:00.17 | saiyr | i think you meant <em> :) |
| 09:00.19 | jbartosik | mayybe I should styart doing it |
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| 09:00.25 | saiyr | <i> is no longer hip |
| 09:00.27 | Zain | whoa there, i'm not *that* hip |
| 09:00.28 | PearlJam | well thank you. i feel being direct would be better. |
| 09:00.41 | saiyr | oh, well i thought maybe all those years in california... |
| 09:00.54 | Zain | lol |
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| 09:02.04 | susscorfa | hmm maybe the deadline should just pass no i'm constantly trying to improve my proposal while i shoudl work |
| 09:02.21 | ojwb | make sure you've submitted a version then |
| 09:02.30 | the9a3eedi | Erant, well, I always wanted to learn how to write programs for a totally different platform. the DS seems nice, as it has good documentation for its homebrew libraries, and from what I hear.. fairly easy to learn and to program for (compared with other consoles) |
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| 09:03.03 | MarkieMark1 | !applications |
| 09:03.03 | socinfo | Error: "applications" is not a valid command. |
| 09:03.03 | the9a3eedi | Erant, and who's WinterMute? |
| 09:03.14 | MarkieMark1 | How many applications so far? |
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| 09:03.32 | atul__ | !extension |
| 09:03.32 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 09:03.36 | MarkieMark1 | !number |
| 09:03.36 | socinfo | Error: "number" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:03.48 | kblin | MarkieMark1: it was 3500 like half a day ago |
| 09:04.03 | saiyr | so less than 33% acceptance rate and counting D: |
| 09:04.03 | Zain | 1000 get accepted, right? |
| 09:04.11 | MarkieMark1 | so looking at in the region of 5000 in all I suppose |
| 09:04.23 | saiyr | though i guess that doesn't take into consideration multiple submissions |
| 09:04.25 | kblin | saiyr: actually that's 1000 students |
| 09:04.27 | Zain | sweet. that'll make my denial sting less |
| 09:04.32 | kblin | not 1000 applications |
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| 09:04.48 | saiyr | yeah, i'm kind of stupid |
| 09:04.49 | ArthurLiu | 1000 students ?! |
| 09:04.54 | saiyr | but don't let that stop you from accepting me into gsoc |
| 09:04.59 | Zain | rofl |
| 09:05.23 | ArthurLiu | considering that orgs usually ask for slots for about half of their candidates this year, we're heading for 500 GSoCers ? |
| 09:05.27 | Zain | gsoc is 12 weeks, right? |
| 09:05.34 | koopersmith | how many apps were there last year again? ~7000? |
| 09:05.47 | aghisla | afaicr |
| 09:05.47 | kblin | ArthurLiu: no, I said 1000 students will be accepted |
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| 09:05.50 | makmanalp | wow, i had no idea there were so many |
| 09:05.53 | ArthurLiu | kblin, oh |
| 09:06.02 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I don't know how many applied |
| 09:06.31 | hkpco | !next |
| 09:06.31 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 09:06.46 | hkpco | hi |
| 09:06.49 | saiyr | ya Zain |
| 09:06.56 | schumaml | ArthurLiu: "half of their candidates" is not usual, I guess |
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| 09:07.15 | ArthurLiu | schumaml, would you say it's low or high ? |
| 09:07.18 | schumaml | that would be > 15 for us now |
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| 09:07.30 | ArthurLiu | mmh |
| 09:08.19 | schumaml | and the most popular orgs (or umbrellas) would suck up all available slots easily, I think |
| 09:08.22 | ojwb | last year was ~7000 apps from ~3000 students |
| 09:08.41 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I think it's high |
| 09:08.49 | ojwb | the figures lh gave much earlier lead me to think that there wasn't going to be a lack of good applications |
| 09:08.51 | Zain | night, saiyr |
| 09:08.57 | saiyr | laters Zain |
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| 09:09.11 | ArthurLiu | we have a small number of "tourists" applications |
| 09:09.12 | kblin | ArthurLiu: from what I heard KDE was at about 180 applications. they're not going to ask for 90 slots :) |
| 09:09.12 | z3r0 | but then last year they had 1000 students participating, so 1 in 3 gets selected, i guess... |
| 09:09.41 | WinterMute | the9a3eedi, me :p |
| 09:09.50 | the9a3eedi | WinterMute, y halo thar. |
| 09:09.58 | ojwb | 1125 last year |
| 09:10.06 | ojwb | 1000 this year |
| 09:10.08 | ArthurLiu | we have 25 applications and 10-12 are good to go |
| 09:10.10 | WinterMute | has just returned from Game in possession of a UK DSi |
| 09:10.10 | susscorfa | 1 in three is actually pretty good i think |
| 09:10.11 | ojwb | 1000ish |
| 09:10.21 | z3r0 | ojwb: oops.. stil ~1:3 |
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| 09:10.29 | the9a3eedi | WinterMute, are you related with the development of DS homebrew libraries? or are you just into DS homeberw devving? |
| 09:10.34 | ArthurLiu | the unsexiness of our proposal titles were a great filter.. |
| 09:10.35 | ojwb | yes, but a significant number of those are just rubbish |
| 09:10.47 | the9a3eedi | WinterMute, DSi is out in UK? o_O |
| 09:10.58 | kblin | ArthurLiu: hehe |
| 09:11.12 | ArthurLiu | think "Building a new interface for Wanna-build using PostgreSQL" :) |
| 09:11.12 | z3r0 | ojwb: so, the odds are good, sorta, i guess... |
| 09:11.15 | codestasher | ArthurLiu your organization name?? |
| 09:11.20 | WinterMute | the9a3eedi, I'm the devkitPro guy & DSi was released this morning here |
| 09:11.23 | ArthurLiu | Debian |
| 09:11.31 | codestasher | ohk |
| 09:11.39 | the9a3eedi | WinterMute, hmmmmmmmm interesting. |
| 09:11.59 | kblin | ArthurLiu: now guess what percentage of the proposals we got were for the C projects, and which percetange were for the python projects :) |
| 09:12.02 | ojwb | z3r0: if you apply for a sane application for your skills and can write a good application, I think your chance is actually pretty good |
| 09:12.06 | WinterMute | the9a3eedi, #dsdev on irc.blitzed.org is where we usually talk homebrew |
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| 09:12.27 | floppyears | hi guys |
| 09:12.30 | schumaml | kblin: 0 for C and lots of "I know PHP, so I can do Python" for the Python? |
| 09:12.37 | floppyears | is it possible to delay a payment from google ? |
| 09:12.43 | ArthurLiu | kblin, yeah, we have the same kind of issues, with everyone zeroing on the frontends tools projects |
| 09:12.48 | floppyears | in case the person gets accepted |
| 09:12.51 | WinterMute | be careful when looking for Python stuff |
| 09:13.02 | floppyears | but is not supposed to receive payment due to financial aid or other restrictions ? |
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| 09:13.19 | Jorrit | Hi |
| 09:13.19 | WinterMute | ended up on python.com yesterday *WARNING: Seriously NSFW* |
| 09:13.24 | schumaml | we did actually have a student trying to apply who can't and doesn't want code at all |
| 09:13.27 | ojwb | floppyears: you'd probably have to ask lh |
| 09:13.31 | z3r0 | will try to write a sane application |
| 09:13.34 | kblin | schumaml: not quite that bad.. some of the python folks seem to actually know python |
| 09:13.47 | z3r0 | lol WinterMute |
| 09:13.49 | j-b | I have 50 applications so far |
| 09:14.01 | schumaml | one of our project descriptions was written in a way that did match an interaction design task :/ |
| 09:14.10 | kblin | schumaml: though I'll probably send them the tests ThomasWaldmann came up with |
| 09:14.18 | Jorrit | !deadline |
| 09:14.18 | socinfo | Error: "deadline" is not a valid command. |
| 09:14.27 | Jorrit | How do I get to know the commands this bot understands? |
| 09:14.27 | jbartosik | !next |
| 09:14.28 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 09:14.31 | dewaard | kblin, hey, I'm a Python guy that wants to do a C project! ;) |
| 09:14.39 | ojwb | Jorrit: hang out here for long enough... |
| 09:14.39 | Jorrit | aha thanks |
| 09:14.41 | kblin | dewaard: yay :) |
| 09:15.14 | j-b | Do orgs get more or less application than last year? |
| 09:15.15 | dewaard | kblin, not for Samba, though (I guess that is your project?)\ |
| 09:15.20 | kblin | !learn deadline as see !timeline |
| 09:15.21 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 09:15.49 | PearlJam | Nightrose: i have mentioned in my application clearly.i hope that is all i need to do? when u sort things out, do remember me :P |
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| 09:15.54 | kblin | dewaard: that was the one I'm talking about, though I admin WorldForge and Wine as well |
| 09:16.04 | ojwb | j-b: on average, probably slightly more |
| 09:16.24 | floppyears | thanks ojwb |
| 09:16.26 | ojwb | the no of orgs has gone down a little more more than the no of students, proportionally |
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| 09:16.39 | j-b | ojwb: ok, so we are on the other side... we have less |
| 09:16.39 | Nightrose | PearlJam: ;-) ok |
| 09:16.58 | kblin | j-b: two of mine are up, one down |
| 09:16.59 | ojwb | j-b: oh, applications not slots |
| 09:17.00 | ojwb | sorry |
| 09:17.02 | Jorrit | We got 23 now. But I forgot how many we had last year :-) |
| 09:17.07 | ojwb | we're a bit up I think |
| 09:17.07 | j-b | ojwb: applications, yes... |
| 09:17.16 | ojwb | we've more good quality ones certainly |
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| 09:17.22 | j-b | kblin: hmmm, interesting... |
| 09:17.39 | ojwb | I think we'll be mentor-limited or slot-limited, not good application limited |
| 09:17.50 | j-b | we have 50 and we had around 84 last year... We made the process more difficult this year |
| 09:17.51 | kblin | ojwb: same here, actually |
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| 09:18.12 | saiyr | sounds loke most orgs are getting better apps this year |
| 09:18.15 | saiyr | like* |
| 09:18.27 | adam-_- | when is the deadline in gmt :x ? |
| 09:18.29 | kblin | I'm still debating if I can fit mentoring two students into my schedule |
| 09:18.39 | saiyr | 7pm i think adam-_- |
| 09:18.43 | adam-_- | ah ok cool |
| 09:18.47 | koopersmith | !next |
| 09:18.47 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 09:19.04 | ArthurLiu | kblin, one of our mentor who had 8 applicants eventually decided against getting two.. |
| 09:19.28 | j-b | It really depends on the project, i think |
| 09:19.32 | kblin | ArthurLiu: yeah, I guess I won't manage either |
| 09:19.54 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I'm trying to get done with university this year |
| 09:20.03 | kblin | so lots of examns |
| 09:20.42 | ankitg | !timeline |
| 09:20.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 09:20.44 | kblin | it's just a shame that I'm the only one qualified to mentor mu subproject |
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| 09:20.54 | kblin | sucks for the bussing factor as well |
| 09:21.23 | makmanalp | kblin: which project would that be? |
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| 09:22.12 | makmanalp | oh, whois says all. |
| 09:22.32 | ojwb | kblin: I'm considering taking two, depending how things pan out, though I'm freelance, so I can definitely create the time (and paid work is looking thin this year) |
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| 09:23.51 | j-b | ojwb: I will try to take 2 students, but one of them has experience in our community |
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| 09:25.22 | kblin | makmanalp: no, actually it doesn't |
| 09:25.33 | kblin | makmanalp: I won't mentor for Samba |
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| 09:26.54 | ojwb | need to talk to all the other potential mentors after the deadline and find out who is happy mentoring what with which students |
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| 09:27.48 | jchiu | hi |
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| 09:34.15 | gsoc | oops missed the slash |
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| 09:39.46 | adam-_- | am i being really stupid? i cant see the perl foundation as an organisation i can submit a proposal to? |
| 09:39.57 | ojwb | it has an odd linkid |
| 09:40.10 | ojwb | so it's not nearly in alphabetical order |
| 09:40.25 | adam-_- | oh |
| 09:40.44 | ojwb | the form was a bit unclear and several admins used their own link id |
| 09:40.49 | adam-_- | oh yes i see |
| 09:40.52 | Snape_love_harry | may be python guys eradicated them :P |
| 09:41.24 | ojwb | unlikely, a lot of $ in perl! |
| 09:41.56 | ajuonline | $_$? |
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| 09:42.03 | Snape_love_harry | that was good |
| 09:42.29 | chunmun | no extensions is final right? or is it fuzzy? |
| 09:42.33 | chunmun | !extension |
| 09:42.33 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 09:42.43 | kblin | ojwb: I think perl's link_id is dukeleto |
| 09:43.01 | ajuonline | bribes kblin to extend deadline |
| 09:43.07 | Snape_love_harry | :D |
| 09:43.07 | dukeleto | ojwb: yes |
| 09:43.09 | ojwb | points at dukeleto and laughs! |
| 09:43.14 | ojwb | (politely) |
| 09:43.27 | chunmun | wants no extension :P |
| 09:43.28 | dukeleto | adam-_-: you definitely can! |
| 09:43.38 | ajuonline | chunmun: screw u :P |
| 09:43.46 | ArthurLiu | please, do not extend the deadline >< |
| 09:44.04 | aghisla | :) agree |
| 09:44.08 | chunmun | thwarts back the curse words @ ajuonline :P |
| 09:44.10 | kblin | ajuonline: well, you can certainly try |
| 09:44.15 | ojwb | ArthurLiu: there's no talk of it |
| 09:44.21 | ArthurLiu | :) |
| 09:44.24 | jchiu | there's talk now |
| 09:44.26 | ojwb | well, except amongst a few students |
| 09:44.34 | dukeleto | apply to perl = http://socghop.appspot.com/student/apply/google/gsoc2009 |
| 09:44.53 | kblin | ajuonline: give me US$ 50k and I'll show you how much influence I have on this |
| 09:44.55 | ajuonline | well i am refining my first app |
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| 09:45.04 | kblin | (which is probably 0) |
| 09:45.07 | ajuonline | but the fact is , i have it on paper :D |
| 09:45.21 | ajuonline | kblin: give me 10% of that and i will stfu :P |
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| 09:45.27 | ajuonline | not influence you ;) |
| 09:45.37 | Snape_love_harry | :D |
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| 09:46.01 | ajuonline | kblin: did you ever update your blog? |
| 09:46.14 | kblin | ajuonline: sure |
| 09:46.25 | Snape_love_harry | send cops behind ajuonline |
| 09:46.26 | chunmun | might join the we-want-extension-camp if bribed with free pizza http://tinyurl.com/d6wcfj :P |
| 09:46.49 | ajuonline | passes lods of pizzas to chunmun |
| 09:46.50 | kblin | ajuonline: my last post was less than a month ago |
| 09:46.51 | ajuonline | loads* |
| 09:47.09 | dukeleto | $perl =~ http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/dukeleto as well |
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| 09:48.16 | ArthurLiu | what's wrong with all these applicants applying at the last second with a personal without contacting anyone first but who I realize have been lurking on our gsoc IRC channel for a month and mailing-list without ever uttering a word... |
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| 09:48.30 | ArthurLiu | s/personal/personal idea/ |
| 09:49.43 | makmanalp | ArthurLiu: ideas come up at odd times, i've found |
| 09:50.03 | Snape_love_harry | ibot: avada kedavra |
| 09:50.14 | makmanalp | Snape_love_harry: didn't work |
| 09:50.26 | koopersmith | makmanalp: agreed |
| 09:50.35 | ArthurLiu | I haven't found a way to dissuade students from playing the hide-personal-proposal-from-other-students strategy.. |
| 09:50.42 | Snape_love_harry | ibot is clever :P |
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| 09:51.10 | makmanalp | ArthurLiu: oh, you mean that. well, it's a reasonable fear |
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| 09:51.26 | makmanalp | ArthurLiu: but i don't know why that'd stop them from contacting you |
| 09:51.50 | PearlJam | while students hiding ideas from each other sounds OK, there is no reason why they wouldn't contact you |
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| 09:52.02 | PearlJam | after all , if an idea is not let out in the wild, what purpose would it serve? |
| 09:52.08 | ArthurLiu | well, they understood that we replied while cc:ing our gsoc mailing list |
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| 09:52.19 | makmanalp | oh |
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| 09:52.32 | ArthurLiu | so they wait for the last days |
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| 09:53.04 | koopersmith | that's true, but all of these hidden ideas are going toward open source regardless |
| 09:53.06 | PearlJam | when i discussed my idea with my mentor, he gave me his personal address. he said it was upto me either to post it in the mailing list or contact him personally. i choose personally of course. for the same reasons. |
| 09:53.07 | ojwb | ArthurLiu: I guess you could state somewhere that student-supplied ideas are off-limits for other students the same year |
| 09:53.15 | ojwb | not sure if it's a good approach or not |
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| 09:53.35 | kblin | it's stupid.. if you go public with your personal idea early and someone else later applies with the exact same idea, guess how likely it is that I'm going to take the one who didn't post it |
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| 09:54.01 | ArthurLiu | the ones who didn't post it tend to have crappy reimplementations anyway |
| 09:54.15 | koopersmith | while I see the temptation to hide your idea, why would you not share your idea with the community? |
| 09:54.21 | ojwb | certainly having an original idea is a bonus over just taking one from someone |
| 09:54.53 | ojwb | in terms of making a student seem a good prospect |
| 09:55.05 | kblin | definitely |
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| 09:55.33 | jchiu | is it such a bad idea to not have had contacted anyone about proposals? |
| 09:55.36 | pushkalcodes | !next |
| 09:55.36 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 09:55.59 | Snape_love_harry | !stats |
| 09:55.59 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 09:56.00 | jchiu | i haven't had time with homework, especially tonight |
| 09:56.00 | ArthurLiu | jchiu, yes, because when the deadline hits, your proposal is full of stupid errors |
| 09:56.06 | Snape_love_harry | !gsoc |
| 09:56.06 | socinfo | Error: "gsoc" is not a valid command. |
| 09:56.11 | ojwb | jchiu: uncommunicative students are harder to mentor, so it's at least a slight negative |
| 09:56.27 | kblin | jchiu: usually it is.. it's much harder to get it right if you didn't talk to your mentors first |
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| 09:56.32 | ojwb | you can make up by talking to the org about your application after making it |
| 09:56.48 | kblin | yeah, what ojwb said |
| 09:57.00 | jchiu | it's that i haven't had time |
| 09:57.03 | kblin | you _can_ get in without talking to your org |
| 09:57.06 | kblin | first |
| 09:57.09 | ojwb | if you didn't talk to us and don't respond to comments, there's probably little chance we'll take you even if you sounds great in the application |
| 09:57.12 | jchiu | and even next week is more midterms |
| 09:57.27 | koopersmith | jchiu: i feel your pain |
| 09:57.28 | kblin | after the deadline, if you don't respond, that's a different thing |
| 09:57.47 | ojwb | jchiu: you can at least tell them that you'd like to discuss it but have limited time because of midterms |
| 09:57.55 | atulagrwl | is it possible to modify the application after submission deadline? |
| 09:58.01 | ojwb | that's a step up from no response at all |
| 09:58.06 | jchiu | i also feel like i haven't yet come up with any great ideas for any projects |
| 09:58.20 | kblin | jchiu: I got into gsoc 2005 two days before the deadline |
| 09:58.30 | ojwb | atulagrwl: that's not totally clear currently - comments definitely will be possible |
| 09:58.42 | kblin | without having even used my mentoring org's program before |
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| 09:59.08 | sukeri | kblin´, What kind of skills did you have then? |
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| 09:59.33 | nielsgl | !next |
| 09:59.33 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 09:59.47 | kblin | sukeri: not much, basic stuff you learn in comp-sci lectures |
| 10:00.07 | PearlJam | kblin: ur org was? |
| 10:00.13 | Snape_love_harry | but that need luck for sure |
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| 10:00.14 | jchiu | like intro to EECS level or higher? |
| 10:00.15 | kblin | sukeri: of course there was less competition in 2005 |
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| 10:00.36 | kblin | PearlJam: Wine |
| 10:00.44 | jchiu | wow |
| 10:00.59 | PearlJam | Wine and basic comp science lectures? *sweet* |
| 10:01.00 | sukeri | kblin, heh, okay. Sounds really nice though. |
| 10:01.12 | kblin | jchiu: well, let me see.. about five semesters into CS |
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| 10:01.23 | dukeleto | atulagrwl: yes, you can update your app until the deadline |
| 10:01.39 | jchiu | okay, well i've taken AP CS A&AB and 6.01 intro EECS |
| 10:01.55 | jchiu | do i have a chance in hell? hahaha |
| 10:02.06 | absabs | !extension |
| 10:02.06 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 10:02.10 | nielsgl | sukeri: it also depends on the project you choose ofcourse |
| 10:02.13 | kblin | PearlJam: well, it was much harder than I expected |
| 10:02.29 | kblin | and of course that was the first GSoC ever |
| 10:02.33 | atulagrwl | dukeleto, no update after the deadline even after receiving comment from mentor (last yr case) |
| 10:02.42 | kblin | no one knew how all of this was going to work out |
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| 10:03.23 | kblin | I'm not too proud of my proposal, and it obviously was one of the best they got.. so the other proposals really sucked, I guess |
| 10:03.55 | aghisla | i applied too quite late on gsoc 2008 |
| 10:04.25 | kblin | hehe |
| 10:04.29 | dukeleto | atulgrwl: i think the apps have to stay constant during the "deciding period", but we allow our students to modify the timeline as they see fit later on, with guidance from a mentor |
| 10:04.34 | jchiu | do you think what school i go to would help?........ *fishing for any glimmering hope* |
| 10:04.34 | kblin | just re-read his 2005 proposal |
| 10:04.36 | aghisla | but it has been a successful project anyway |
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| 10:04.51 | kblin | turns out that I didn't really do what I proposed to do |
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| 10:05.03 | aghisla | kblin: hehe |
| 10:05.06 | kblin | jchiu: I doubt it |
| 10:05.07 | ojwb | lh mentioned earlier that the melange guys were working on an "allow an update" button for mentors to use |
| 10:05.18 | kblin | ojwb: ah, great |
| 10:05.18 | ojwb | but I'm not sure if that's for this year or not |
| 10:05.38 | kblin | jchiu: just try to get a convincing proposal done |
| 10:05.46 | koopersmith | anyone have recommendations on how much personal information (e.g. resume, interests) should be included in an application? |
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| 10:06.23 | kblin | koopersmith: project-related interests are probably more interesting than your elementary school education in the resume |
| 10:06.47 | ojwb | random weird hobbies at least raise a smile while ploughing through |
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| 10:07.02 | aghisla | I love horses |
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| 10:07.10 | aghisla | does it matter? :P |
| 10:07.11 | Snape_love_harry | too |
| 10:07.12 | ojwb | like whoever it was who said he wanted to learn to do a backflip and judge a chilli cook off |
| 10:07.38 | kblin | hmm |
| 10:07.46 | kblin | backflip... |
| 10:08.13 | dukeleto | koopersmith: things that are academic-related are useful |
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| 10:09.07 | gberdyshev | !extension |
| 10:09.07 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 10:09.10 | susscorfa | hmm maybe i should include learing a backflip certainly a nice skill to ohave |
| 10:09.39 | koopersmith | kblin, dukeleto, granted. did you include a formal resume when you applied? I was giving background instead of a formatted document |
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| 10:09.59 | aghisla | maybe a backflip holding a laptop |
| 10:10.33 | koopersmith | i'm enjoying the fact that !extension is being used more and more frequently |
| 10:10.34 | Ivanovic | koopersmith: some formal resume is *overkill* |
| 10:10.43 | Ivanovic | it is by far more important to talk to your org |
| 10:10.52 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: i figured as much |
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| 10:10.58 | Ivanovic | communicate with them, make them know you, show them your knowledge |
| 10:11.09 | dukeleto | koopersmith: it is up to each org I guess. I am the org admin for the perl foundation. I would prefer to read a 1 paragraph description than a resume-looking thing |
| 10:11.32 | bradley_siow | !extension |
| 10:11.32 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 10:11.34 | gangil | !timeline |
| 10:11.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 10:11.46 | Ivanovic | for us at wesnoth it will mainly be: okay, who have we talked to and seems to be interested? |
| 10:11.49 | dukeleto | yeah, talking on the org's main mailing list and asking good questions there really gets you at least 50% of the way there |
| 10:11.49 | koopersmith | dukeleto: that's why I was asking :) thanks |
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| 10:11.54 | Ivanovic | hmm, has he shown any code/patches? |
| 10:12.06 | nsm | !extension |
| 10:12.06 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 10:12.12 | Ivanovic | next step: is the project proposal and the timeline (with milestones) detailed enough and reasonable? |
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| 10:12.37 | Ivanovic | koopersmith: which org do you want to apply to? |
| 10:12.38 | dukeleto | many students just blindly send an app without any community involvement. Occasionally it works, mostly it doesn't. |
| 10:12.54 | Ivanovic | if the org has an official irc chan, joining and talking there might be a good idea, too |
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| 10:13.11 | kblin | koopersmith: what Ivanovic said |
| 10:13.14 | jchiu | what happens if no one is ever active in there? |
| 10:13.18 | kblin | and now I'm off to university |
| 10:13.24 | kblin | jchiu: email |
| 10:13.28 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: I really want to work with wordpress if i can |
| 10:13.34 | susscorfa | i tried getting some feedback from the proposed mentor but it didn't really work |
| 10:13.40 | susscorfa | !netx |
| 10:13.40 | socinfo | Error: "netx" is not a valid command. |
| 10:13.42 | susscorfa | !next |
| 10:13.43 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 10:14.16 | PearlJam | so if i had no community involvement, but the mentor liked my idea - do i have a chance? or is prior involvement a must? |
| 10:14.24 | dukeleto | jchiu: twitter is a good place too |
| 10:14.52 | Ivanovic | PearlJam: community involvement does not hurt |
| 10:14.55 | disismt | http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2239787/google-close-buying-twitter |
| 10:15.06 | Ivanovic | most orgs will probably prefer those who are involved over those who are not |
| 10:15.09 | koopersmith | PearlJam: it seems as if there are no hard and fast rules to who gets accepted, but there are things that help your chances |
| 10:15.11 | dukeleto | perljam: i didn't mean to imply "prior involvement", just the fact that students should ask comments about their proposals to the community before submitting them |
| 10:15.16 | Ivanovic | though you might get in without any involvement, too |
| 10:15.26 | PearlJam | i see. |
| 10:15.40 | Ivanovic | involvement can very well be from the start of summer of code on |
| 10:15.50 | Ivanovic | like giving feedback, trying to be helpfull, stuff like this |
| 10:15.57 | dukeleto | the whole point of gsoc is getting new people involved, so *requiring* prior involvement defeats the purpose |
| 10:16.11 | PearlJam | yes i get it. |
| 10:16.21 | Ivanovic | dukeleto: getting new people in is not the *whole* point, but an important point |
| 10:16.49 | dukeleto | Ivanovic: yeah, better rephrased as "a major point" |
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| 10:17.37 | Ivanovic | that is at wesnoth we have some proposal from our successful last year students (now core devs), too |
| 10:17.47 | dukeleto | the perl foundation still has plenty of stuff to work on, so if any students still are looking for somewhere to apply ... |
| 10:17.52 | Ivanovic | though those will be going through the same process every proposal goes through |
| 10:18.16 | jchiu | dukeleto:what type of stuff? |
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| 10:18.20 | Ivanovic | that is: if their proposal is not great, the timeline not good and such, they got no chance to be accepted |
| 10:18.20 | dukeleto | and that includes a lot of not-so-traditional Perl stuff like working on the Parrot virtual machine |
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| 10:18.41 | dukeleto | jchiu: perl 5 related stuff, Perl 6/Rakudo-related stuff and Parrot-related stuff |
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| 10:19.20 | jchiu | hmmmm, is this a good opportunity to learn perl? have always intended to learn..... |
| 10:20.04 | dukeleto | for instance, the Perl 6 Test Suite was a successfull project last year, and no one has applied for that this year |
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| 10:20.39 | dukeleto | jchiu: the test suite is a great place because there is very little prior experience necessary and there are lots of mentors for it |
| 10:20.45 | dimazest | !next |
| 10:20.46 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 10:21.15 | jchiu | i will look into this for sure |
| 10:21.24 | dukeleto | http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?gsoc_2009_projects is perl ideas page, but of course anyone can come up with their own. These are things the community has shown interest in |
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| 10:23.06 | jchiu | looking through the list of orgs i was kind of hesitant to look at the large projects because i would assume they would get many applicaitons and would require much experience |
| 10:23.21 | shrink | hi |
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| 10:23.54 | shrink | can I include 5 days unproductive leave in the timeline :D |
| 10:24.03 | shrink | It it appropriate ? |
| 10:24.12 | dukeleto | jchiu: I am hearing that now from students, and I had no idea. It really is a misperception. We may get some more applications than others, but we definitely do not require more experience |
| 10:24.25 | dukeleto | shrink: as long as you are ahead of schedule |
| 10:24.34 | devilsadvocate | shrink, if you know when that will be, why not ? :P |
| 10:24.36 | shrink | dukeleto, :) ok |
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| 10:25.01 | ojwb | jchiu: large orgs tend to get more slots and have more mentors available |
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| 10:25.05 | shrink | i don;t think I should follow advises from the devilsadvocate |
| 10:25.07 | shrink | :D |
| 10:25.32 | ojwb | you can include it (and if it's happening anyway, should) |
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| 10:25.46 | ojwb | is unimpressed with surprise vacations |
| 10:26.11 | Ivanovic | shrink: we explicitly ask our student to list when they have exams and stuff like this to make sure they consider it in their plans |
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| 10:26.42 | Ivanovic | since yeah, we do know that you won't be doing much for SoC when you have to prepare for an exam |
| 10:26.45 | shrink | Ivanovic, no exams, just want 5 adys off from the 3 monts rigorous schedule |
| 10:26.53 | shrink | months* |
| 10:27.21 | PDani | will be any time-extension for student application deafline? |
| 10:27.23 | gurkee | is a students application a necessary condition to participate? So is there a possibility to participate without "submitting a students proposal"? |
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| 10:27.25 | PDani | dead* |
| 10:27.27 | Ivanovic | yeah, some free days are perfectly fine with us, too (that is eg listing "one week holidays in the caribean", why not?) |
| 10:27.29 | ojwb | PDani: NO |
| 10:27.38 | dukeleto | !extension |
| 10:27.39 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 10:27.58 | Ivanovic | gurkee: there is no way to get any funding by google, unless you submitted an application into the official tracker |
| 10:28.23 | ojwb | and you have to do that *before the deadline* |
| 10:28.31 | ojwb | which won't be extended! |
| 10:28.55 | gurkee | Ivanovic, thank you... So I perhaps should submit a "bad" application just to submit anything, yes? |
| 10:29.11 | Ivanovic | gurkee: submit something and include the statement "work in progress" |
| 10:29.23 | Ivanovic | though you have to finish it *SOON* since orgs will rank applications soon |
| 10:29.29 | Ivanovic | and then you should have a well done application |
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| 10:29.34 | Ivanovic | so talk to your org, too |
| 10:29.52 | ojwb | personally, a draft application submitted right before the deadline doesn't exactly impress me |
| 10:30.00 | gurkee | Ivanovic, the point is that there is a mentoring organisation that likes to have me but I do not have time to create an application now :D |
| 10:30.07 | Ivanovic | ojwb: exactly |
| 10:30.24 | Ivanovic | gurkee: then submit at least *something* so that you are in the tracker |
| 10:30.33 | gurkee | Ivanovic, thank you |
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| 10:30.53 | Ivanovic | ojwb: somehow you would think that the about two weeks that were available to create an application are fine if you really work on it |
| 10:31.02 | skbohra|relieved | !stats |
| 10:31.03 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 10:31.05 | Ivanovic | so a draft submitted 2mins before the end seems at least *strange* |
| 10:31.06 | ojwb | more than two weeks really |
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| 10:31.15 | ojwb | most of the orgs participated last year too |
| 10:31.22 | ojwb | and the program was announced in jan |
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| 10:31.31 | ojwb | and it was a fair bet it would run again even before htat |
| 10:31.32 | gurkee | Ivanovic, ojwb, of course.. but i heard of the possibility yesterday... ;)( |
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| 10:32.14 | devilsadvocate | i thought applications could not be edited after the deadline |
| 10:32.22 | ojwb | gsoc seems to get a lot of publicity from somewhere two days before the deadline |
| 10:32.29 | Ivanovic | devilsadvocate: not edited, but you can submit comments |
| 10:32.34 | Ivanovic | and are encouraged to do so! |
| 10:33.29 | devilsadvocate | so i cant really submit a placeholder application and then put the actual application in comments :P |
| 10:33.35 | devilsadvocate | just some minor edits and the such |
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| 10:34.03 | Ivanovic | uhm, you can place a whole application in the comments |
| 10:34.10 | Beket | Greetings everyone. Any idea why the web interface where one writes his/her proposal doesn't retain alignment ? |
| 10:34.11 | Ivanovic | the orgs will consider comments when doing the review, too |
| 10:34.13 | ojwb | i don't really see an org going for a "placeholder" app |
| 10:34.16 | devilsadvocate | interesting |
| 10:34.25 | devilsadvocate | ojwb, :) |
| 10:34.26 | qadir_ | hi there |
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| 10:37.08 | cdials | so the deadline is in 9 hours? |
| 10:37.15 | danderson | !time |
| 10:37.15 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 10:37.25 | Snape_love_harry | 8 hours i suupose |
| 10:37.36 | Snape_love_harry | *suppose |
| 10:37.36 | danderson | !next |
| 10:37.36 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 10:40.33 | Ivanovic | cdials: submit ASAP |
| 10:40.45 | Ivanovic | that is: submit and keep editing if you are not 100% done yet |
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| 10:41.03 | cdials | Ivanovic: cool. so you can edit after you submit? |
| 10:41.09 | Ivanovic | do not even try to submit in the last second, something bad might happen and your application not being in the tracker |
| 10:41.15 | Ivanovic | until the deadline is reached: yes |
| 10:41.23 | cdials | yep, i understand. thanks! |
| 10:41.24 | Ivanovic | after the deadline is reached: you can only post comments |
| 10:41.36 | cdials | btw, who's responsible for reviewing the applications? |
| 10:41.43 | Ivanovic | the org |
| 10:41.46 | cdials | is it just the org or does google have the final say? |
| 10:41.46 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: would you suggest submitting and excluding the few parts I'm working on and adding them later? |
| 10:42.12 | Ivanovic | koopersmith: for those parts add a "WIP" marker |
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| 10:42.21 | Ivanovic | to show that you are still working on it |
| 10:42.31 | Ivanovic | cdials: the org has the final say |
| 10:42.44 | cdials | Ivanovic: cool. cos i've been talking to the org guys on irc and they think the proposal is good. now, i'm wondering if i should do another proposal just to be safe? |
| 10:42.46 | Ivanovic | google only say how many students the org is allowed to take |
| 10:42.59 | Ivanovic | talk to the org if you should do so |
| 10:43.12 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: it's just that those parts would not read clearly right now, but the core concepts of application are complete |
| 10:43.13 | Ivanovic | personally i would prefer one really good proposal over two mediocre |
| 10:43.22 | cdials | ah ok |
| 10:43.36 | cdials | i read that only one proposal will be approved. how does that work? |
| 10:43.42 | Ivanovic | koopersmith: then add a disclaimer at the top/end/wherever to state that some stuff is still work in progress |
| 10:43.49 | cdials | what if two diff orgs decide they both like my seperate proposals |
| 10:43.54 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: that was my plan :) |
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| 10:44.13 | Ivanovic | just make sure that your stuff is online (just for the case that the server breaks down 5mins before the deadline is over and those who want to submit in the *really* last min get a problem |
| 10:44.18 | arma | cdials: after a while, the interface will tell each org there's a conflict. then they'll work it out manually, by talking to each other (and hopefully you). |
| 10:44.18 | devilsadvocate | last second on malnge = very bad idea :p |
| 10:44.33 | Ivanovic | devilsadvocate: correct |
| 10:44.48 | dukeleto | yet another reason to submit your app early! |
| 10:44.54 | cdials | arma: cool. thanks. |
| 10:44.59 | devilsadvocate | melange* |
| 10:45.07 | arma | cdials: last year there was some confusion, since the interface only listed it as a conflict if both orgs had you above their threshold, meaning they were planning to take you. so if they changed their mind late, they wouldn't learn about the conflict until late. |
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| 10:45.54 | Ivanovic | there is a specific meeting here in irc to solve those duplicates |
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| 10:46.21 | ojwb | cdials: I'd recommend letting the orgs know - they're unlikely to hold it against you |
| 10:46.23 | Ivanovic | that is: before this meeting all orgs are asked to have the rating and assigning of mentors done, so that in this meeting dupes can be solved |
| 10:47.22 | Ivanovic | and yeah, in general those orgs should talk with each other and the student to get an idea about which proposal the student does prefer to work on |
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| 10:47.35 | koopersmith | out of curiosity, can mentors view every iteration of your application or just the most recent edit? |
| 10:47.47 | arma | koopersmith: just the most recent, i think |
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| 10:48.10 | koopersmith | arma: thanks |
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| 10:48.27 | Ivanovic | only the most recent version, you are not shown any diffs/history/whatever |
| 10:48.39 | Ivanovic | this is why you should also post a comment after a significant change |
| 10:48.59 | Ivanovic | things like "okay, my timeline is now redone, polished and rather final, looking forward to getting some comments" |
| 10:49.55 | gpolo | did we get an extension already ? no ? good :) |
| 10:50.06 | devvrat | !extension |
| 10:50.06 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 10:50.07 | Ivanovic | there will be *NO EXTENSION AT ALL* |
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| 10:51.24 | makmanalp | why does everyone think that there might be an extension? |
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| 10:51.42 | JorritAfk | Perhaps because there has been one every year so far :-) |
| 10:51.45 | Ivanovic | makmanalp: probably because they are not used to something like "real deadlines" |
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| 10:51.59 | makmanalp | JorritAfk: hmm |
| 10:52.16 | makmanalp | JorritAfk: makes me rethink the allnighter i just pulled |
| 10:52.26 | shirish_ | hi Ivanovic |
| 10:52.30 | BCarlyon|Server | WOOT! |
| 10:52.34 | makmanalp | not that it's anyone's fault but mine |
| 10:52.42 | BCarlyon|Server | Tea time |
| 10:52.46 | JorritAfk | makmanalp: anyway, this year there is little chance of an extension. |
| 10:52.47 | BCarlyon|Server | puts the kettle om |
| 10:52.49 | BCarlyon|Server | on* |
| 10:53.06 | makmanalp | JorritAfk: from what i've been hearing, there is none :P |
| 10:53.16 | Ivanovic | makmanalp: the allnighter was only required if you were too "lazy" or "busy" over the last three weeks |
| 10:53.23 | Ivanovic | but the deadline is fixed and it won't be extended |
| 10:53.37 | Ivanovic | who has not found the time to submit the proposal has no way to get in (at all that is!) |
| 10:53.39 | Ivanovic | hi shirish_ |
| 10:53.46 | JorritAfk | Ivanovic: there is a certain kind of personality type ('P') that likes delaying things up to the last moment :-) |
| 10:53.48 | BCarlyon|Server | I do have an application to rewrite by deadline :-) |
| 10:53.52 | JorritAfk | According to the MBTI profile. |
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| 10:54.08 | makmanalp | Ivanovic: i'm not wishing it to be, I was just curious about this whole misconception |
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| 10:54.18 | Ivanovic | BCarlyon|Server: yeah, i am currently drinking my "breakfast", too |
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| 10:54.43 | Ivanovic | JorritAfk: and those do have to get their act together, too |
| 10:54.44 | p_l | would it be apriopriate to have "netbsd saved my ass during a deadline-was-yesterday project" in proposal? :D |
| 10:55.08 | Ivanovic | (and as org admin i prefer proposals i hear of rather early, so that there is much time to talk to the applicants and possibly improve the proposal) |
| 10:55.17 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: thanks for your answer earlier, i didn't see it at first |
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| 10:56.50 | BCarlyon|Server | !next |
| 10:56.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 10:58.19 | WinterMute | !log |
| 10:58.19 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 10:58.23 | WinterMute | !logs |
| 10:58.23 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 11:02.56 | SantiByron | Hi all, I have a question: If I apply to more than one organization, does one organization know that I have applied to the other orgs? |
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| 11:04.01 | ojwb | they will if you get selected by more than one |
| 11:04.26 | SantiByron | Ok but not during selection process, right? |
| 11:04.30 | ojwb | wonders why everyone is worried about just telling the orgs |
| 11:04.44 | ojwb | a good candidate is a good candidate |
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| 11:04.56 | ojwb | and it's sensible to hedge your bets a bit |
| 11:05.11 | ojwb | we do know that there was an average of about 2.3 apps per student last year |
| 11:05.16 | SantiByron | Yes you are totally in right, thanks ojwb |
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| 11:05.39 | shirish | does the candidate have the previleage of selecting any one if he gets selected in to more than one |
| 11:05.50 | PearlJam | shirish: no. |
| 11:06.06 | ojwb | you can tell the orgs concerned, but it may not happen as you want |
| 11:06.11 | vsh426 | !next |
| 11:06.11 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 11:06.26 | ojwb | it's assumed that you only apply for projects you are happy to do |
| 11:06.42 | shirish | PearlJam, thank you. then on what basis does they allot the students to organization |
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| 11:06.58 | PearlJam | a meeting is held between the orgs to figure it out. |
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| 11:07.50 | ojwb | at the extreme end, if you are the only candidate for an org, google don't want them to be left studentless |
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| 11:09.49 | neo7 | !timeline |
| 11:09.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 11:11.04 | shirish | PearlJam, thank you. then on what basis does they allot the students to organization ?? |
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| 11:12.46 | mixrin | Proposals could be modified after deadline? |
| 11:12.59 | saiyr | no, you can submit comments, though |
| 11:13.10 | ojwb | I guess some approximation to maximising the "goodness" in the gsoc universe |
| 11:13.14 | mixrin | ok, thanks |
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| 11:14.36 | arun | shirish, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 11:18.07 | sin|g| | what does POD stand for ? |
| 11:18.56 | Matthew_P | what's the context? |
| 11:19.04 | Matthew_P | sin|g| |
| 11:19.13 | sin|g| | "dont forget the POD!" |
| 11:19.23 | smtms | sin|g|, where is this text found? |
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| 11:19.31 | Matthew_P | erm.... can you give me a little more than that? haha |
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| 11:20.03 | sin|g| | Nascent- https://www.nescent.org/wg/phyloinformatics/index.php?title=Phyloinformatics_Summer_of_Code_2009#Building_out_BioPerl_PopGen::Simulation_modules_for_infectious_disease |
| 11:20.25 | smtms | sin|g|, this is a Perl thing |
| 11:20.50 | smtms | sin|g|, POD is a standard format for documenting Perl source code |
| 11:21.06 | Matthew_P | oh yeah... ok. I thought I might know, but not if it's Perl, haha |
| 11:21.22 | sin|g| | mmm, ok thanks |
| 11:21.56 | danderson | and for general culture |
| 11:22.19 | danderson | in a C++ context POD means Plain Old Data |
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| 11:22.45 | danderson | a C++ POD type is a type that has an exact equivalent in C: ints, structs with only POD attributes... |
| 11:23.06 | danderson | one of the nice things about POD types is that they can be safely statically initialized |
| 11:23.12 | danderson | without wondering about constructor ordering |
| 11:23.17 | sin|g| | i think they are refering to documentation |
| 11:23.24 | danderson | yes, they are |
| 11:23.34 | danderson | I just wanted to throw random knowledge onto the channel :P |
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| 11:24.08 | straszheim | Proper Orthogonal Decomposition |
| 11:24.10 | Landon | hmm |
| 11:24.21 | Landon | I wonder what the chances are of my sleeping through my first class |
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| 11:24.25 | Landon | if I take a 15 min nap |
| 11:24.43 | saiyr | something along the lines of 100% :p |
| 11:24.54 | Landon | with a twist |
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| 11:24.58 | Landon | in the easy chair, not my bed |
| 11:26.34 | saiyr | i dunno, i'm pretty good at falling asleep wherever i want and staying that way :) |
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| 11:35.48 | ishika | hii |
| 11:35.57 | ishika | !next |
| 11:35.57 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 11:36.16 | lut4rp | ChipX86, ping |
| 11:36.27 | ishika | 19:00 UTC , can anyone tell me this time in Indian Standard Time ? |
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| 11:36.59 | BCarlyon|Server | 1900 is in 6 hours 25 mins ishdsjkh |
| 11:37.07 | BCarlyon|Server | tab complete fail |
| 11:37.28 | lut4rp | ishika, add 5.5 hours to UTC to make IST |
| 11:37.34 | assad | to submit proposal for gsoc is it enough to submit it in the "submit you student proposal" ? |
| 11:37.37 | lut4rp | ishika, so thats 1230AM 4th April |
| 11:37.41 | lut4rp | ishika, in IST |
| 11:37.43 | ishika | okkkkk |
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| 11:37.50 | ishika | thanks :) |
| 11:37.56 | MatthewWilkes | lut4rp: Look at the countdown in socinfo's link to be sure |
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| 11:38.11 | lut4rp | MatthewWilkes, I am in India :-p |
| 11:38.37 | assad | lut4rp: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=3&month=04&year=2009&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p0=0 |
| 11:38.47 | lut4rp | last thing i want to forget is the deadline date :) |
| 11:38.53 | ishika | can i see any of your guys PDF application ? |
| 11:39.10 | MatthewWilkes | lut4rp: So? |
| 11:39.40 | assad | to submit proposal for gsoc is it enough to submit it in the "submit you student proposal" ? |
| 11:39.47 | BCarlyon|Server | yes |
| 11:39.52 | assad | in the melange webapp |
| 11:39.57 | BCarlyon|Server | yes |
| 11:39.58 | ishika | hi |
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| 11:40.08 | ishika | i formatted my applciation in melange |
| 11:40.18 | lut4rp | MatthewWilkes, the last thing I want to forget is the time of the deadline. A countdown is running in my dashboard :) |
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| 11:40.23 | assad | wat is submit document for? |
| 11:40.24 | ishika | but the formatted is completely gone when i look at it from other PC |
| 11:40.37 | insane | is it possible to edit the student application? |
| 11:40.45 | ishika | it doesnt fit my screen, i have to scroll it left right |
| 11:40.50 | assad | !document |
| 11:40.50 | socinfo | Error: "document" is not a valid command. |
| 11:40.54 | insane | because there is a submit button which suggests that it is not possible at least for me |
| 11:41.00 | assad | !timeline |
| 11:41.00 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:41.13 | AlekSi | insane: looks like it's impossible :( |
| 11:41.29 | BCarlyon|Server | No it is possible to edit an application |
| 11:41.36 | BCarlyon|Server | Click edit this app. its at the top |
| 11:41.45 | AlekSi | whoa! |
| 11:42.00 | AlekSi | There wasn't a button recently. :) |
| 11:42.16 | vsh426 | who all are from india here? |
| 11:42.30 | lucifer__ | ishika: doesnt your org require you to put it on the wiki? |
| 11:42.33 | kitallis | Me. |
| 11:42.34 | ishika | i am |
| 11:42.38 | lut4rp | me. |
| 11:42.42 | bergwolf | !next |
| 11:42.42 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 11:42.49 | lut4rp | vsh426, lots of us here. |
| 11:42.56 | ishika | no , it should be on the melange and pdf |
| 11:42.58 | AlekSi | I'm from Russia, it's near. :D |
| 11:43.01 | ishika | pdf is looking good |
| 11:43.07 | lut4rp | AlekSi, :-) |
| 11:43.11 | assad | me too! |
| 11:43.12 | kitallis | AlekSi, China is near |
| 11:43.12 | ishika | but melange is distorted :( |
| 11:43.36 | PearlJam | ishika: if you need to scroll, some problem with your resolution |
| 11:43.48 | PearlJam | i dont think it is a big issue, considering most people don't :) |
| 11:43.49 | lucifer__ | ishika: so why not just upload the pdf, and link to it? |
| 11:43.55 | kitallis | ishika |
| 11:44.01 | ishika | ok |
| 11:44.02 | ishika | thanks |
| 11:44.03 | ishika | :) |
| 11:44.07 | lucifer__ | ask your org though |
| 11:44.14 | lucifer__ | my org is okay with that |
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| 11:44.21 | kitallis | ishika, you might wanna join #gsoc-in |
| 11:44.23 | ishika | fine |
| 11:44.38 | ishika | joined |
| 11:44.40 | ishika | :) |
| 11:44.43 | kitallis | :) |
| 11:44.51 | PearlJam | #gsoc-india |
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| 11:45.11 | ishika | lol, why two rooms ? |
| 11:45.18 | ishika | in and india should be the same |
| 11:45.19 | ishika | :P |
| 11:45.21 | PearlJam | divided as usual on everything. |
| 11:45.23 | PearlJam | :) |
| 11:45.32 | PearlJam | join india one, most people are there. |
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| 11:45.34 | lut4rp | PearlJam, as usual? |
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| 11:46.04 | PearlJam | by that i meant there should be one room. not two. this creates confusion. |
| 11:46.20 | znik | any mentors from UK? |
| 11:46.38 | ojwb | sort of |
| 11:46.46 | jmb | yes |
| 11:46.48 | ojwb | is from the UK, but no longer lives there |
| 11:46.49 | hwked | !next |
| 11:46.50 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 11:47.19 | koopersmith | hwked: i had a feeling you were looking for #gsoc... |
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| 11:47.51 | assad | what is the creat a new docuument for? |
| 11:47.57 | hwked | koopersmith: :) |
| 11:48.00 | BCarlyon|Server | Just for the crack |
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| 11:48.53 | hwked | omg, just 7 hrs to go |
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| 11:49.28 | BCarlyon|Server | PANIC |
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| 11:49.43 | BCarlyon|Server | runs around in a cirlce with the hands faling in the air |
| 11:49.46 | BCarlyon|Server | ARG! |
| 11:49.49 | AlekSi | don't panic! |
| 11:49.54 | aghisla|away | BCarlyon|Server: don't panic! |
| 11:49.54 | BCarlyon|Server | trips up |
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| 11:50.03 | BCarlyon|Server | SPLAT! |
| 11:50.41 | BCarlyon|Server | My face! |
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| 11:51.23 | sayno2war | how may hours are more remaining....?? |
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| 11:51.38 | koopersmith | !next |
| 11:51.39 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 11:51.50 | koopersmith | sayno2war: about 7 |
| 11:51.58 | hwked | sayno2war get your geek on :) |
| 11:52.23 | sayno2war | i m applying for only 1 application... |
| 11:52.45 | BCarlyon|Server | 6 hours to go sayno2war |
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| 11:54.44 | pi31415926535 | BCarlyon|Server: actually its 7 hours and 5 minutes to go :) |
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| 11:54.55 | p_l | I read that as "you have six hours to say no to war" |
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| 11:55.07 | koopersmith | sayno2war: from what I've read, most people don't apply to many projects. I think it was mentioned that the average was 2-3 applications per student last year? (7000 applications, 3000 students, or something like that) i wouldn't worry about applying to only one |
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| 11:55.23 | insane | if if submit a cv as additional info is it possible that it would get indexed by google? |
| 11:55.34 | insane | i don't think so |
| 11:55.36 | insane | ? |
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| 11:55.48 | danderson | if it's publically accessible, it will get indexed |
| 11:55.54 | danderson | rule number one of the internet |
| 11:55.56 | insane | that's my question |
| 11:56.01 | insane | if it is publically available |
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| 11:56.10 | danderson | I don't think so, no. |
| 11:56.26 | insane | ok thanks |
| 11:56.27 | danderson | that said, why wouldn't you want your resume indexed? |
| 11:56.30 | danderson | I'm confused. |
| 11:56.35 | danderson | you don't want people to find you? :) |
| 11:56.40 | makmanalp | he probably does want it to |
| 11:56.48 | insane | because there's my address ;] |
| 11:56.53 | makmanalp | oh |
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| 11:57.01 | pi31415926535 | wellcome rohananil. finished your proposal? =) |
| 11:57.31 | insane | and i don't want to share my private data with all Internet users ;] |
| 11:57.32 | koopersmith | insane: i'm pretty sure your application can only be read by the mentors and you |
| 11:57.34 | insane | do you? |
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| 11:58.23 | JorritAfk | insane: is a thing like address private? In Belgium nearly everyone's address is publicly available on the internet already (phone books etc). |
| 11:58.55 | makmanalp | JorritAfk: you guys don't have stalkers and such? |
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| 11:59.21 | JorritAfk | makmanalp: most stalkers don't use the internet to find you. Most stalkers already know where you live. |
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| 12:00.23 | makmanalp | that's a good point, but it's still accessible to anyone who wants it. |
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| 12:00.54 | MarkieMark1 | It's more identity theft you have to think of |
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| 12:01.20 | MarkieMark1 | though I've noticed that the continental style is to worry less |
| 12:01.24 | MarkieMark1 | then punish more :) |
| 12:01.24 | insane | btw., why there's no availability to upload files to soc application directly? |
| 12:01.48 | makmanalp | insane: probably so they don't have to deal with a billion different file formats. |
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| 12:02.11 | insane | makmanalp: so allow only upload pdfs |
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| 12:03.12 | Ivanovic | insane: the reason is simple: when stuff is entered in the form, it is easily readable and *searchable* |
| 12:03.32 | ojwb | insane: the main reason may be that it hasn't been implemented yet |
| 12:03.48 | ojwb | if you'd like to be able to, you can file a feature request |
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| 12:03.59 | hwked | oh, my application is 12000 char. is there a limit? |
| 12:04.12 | ojwb | no, but keep it sane |
| 12:04.21 | PearlJam | 12000? |
| 12:04.24 | hwked | ojwb: it is sane. no redundancy |
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| 12:05.11 | koopersmith | hwked: what're you applying to do? |
| 12:05.30 | ojwb | it's longer than most, but some projects need more |
| 12:05.46 | hwked | ojwb: koopersmith its a UI based project |
| 12:06.10 | ojwb | didn't mean that 12000 was necessarily not sane |
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| 12:06.24 | ojwb | just don't feel that no limit => write as much as you possibly can |
| 12:06.30 | ojwb | just to clarify |
| 12:06.34 | koopersmith | hwked: for wordpress? i noticed you were in wp-dev earlier |
| 12:06.51 | hwked | koopersmith: for wordpress, i am working on a template versioning proposal |
| 12:06.55 | pi31415926535 | do you have to use the template given by orgs? |
| 12:07.00 | Ivanovic | hwked: make sure that it is still worth reading |
| 12:07.06 | hwked | koopersmith: the other one is for joomla |
| 12:07.07 | nielsgl | how many pages is 12000? |
| 12:07.09 | Ivanovic | consider that orgs have *many* proposals to read |
| 12:07.18 | JorritAfk | pi31415926535: if you do it is probably better. |
| 12:07.23 | lucifer__ | hwked: so far i know 19.3k works, |
| 12:07.24 | JorritAfk | pi31415926535: the orgs suplied that template for a reason. |
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| 12:07.46 | Ivanovic | though yeah, a detailed proposal showing that you invested time and some thoughts into it are *great* |
| 12:08.08 | Ivanovic | pi31415926535: in general you should at least answer the questions asked there |
| 12:08.17 | hwked | Ivanovic: yeah, moreover its UI based, so I have to specify how i visualize the UI components |
| 12:08.20 | koopersmith | nielsgl: I think 10-12ish? |
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| 12:08.29 | Ivanovic | ask your org if they want them answered 1:1 or if you are free to write a text including the info |
| 12:08.39 | nielsgl | koopersmith: woah pretty large compared to mine |
| 12:08.40 | pi31415926535 | JorritAfk: but some of the templates are very funny. they don't get much info about me. and i have lots to talk about |
| 12:08.52 | hwked | Ivanovic: I have worked along with them, so they say it's not a problem |
| 12:08.53 | Ivanovic | hwked: for this some sketches are often better than describing it with words |
| 12:09.04 | koopersmith | nielsgl: it's definitely a hefty amount of text |
| 12:09.12 | Ivanovic | ask your org if they got some place to upload them or use imagebin.org |
| 12:09.14 | JorritAfk | pi31415926535: still. I'm a project admin and if I see a proposal that ignored our template I would see that as a negative point. |
| 12:09.29 | JorritAfk | pi31415926535: the questions an org asks in the template are things the org is really insterested about (or should be). |
| 12:09.36 | pi31415926535 | Ivanovic: I am still answering all the questions |
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| 12:09.54 | ojwb | if your terminal window is 24*80, that's a bit less that 2K of text |
| 12:10.06 | ojwb | which probably means little to the youth of today of course |
| 12:10.32 | pi31415926535 | can a mentor from A org see my other proposals that i gave to B org? |
| 12:10.33 | Ivanovic | pi31415926535: like i said: ask the orgs what they would like to see |
| 12:10.34 | devvrat | !extension |
| 12:10.34 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 12:10.36 | Erant | ojwb: Define youth ;) |
| 12:10.44 | devvrat | !next |
| 12:10.44 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 12:11.39 | ojwb | Erant: people who use wide terminal windows |
| 12:12.04 | pi31415926535 | Ivanovic: JorritAfk: the orgs i've asked said it's ok but i bet you would say ok to :) |
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| 12:12.24 | Ivanovic | pi31415926535: we don't matter in those regards at all |
| 12:12.29 | Erant | Think a lot of people will still have the narrow one. It's what XTerm and whatnot default to anywho |
| 12:12.33 | Ivanovic | that is: i am just an org admin helping where i can |
| 12:12.49 | Ivanovic | so i can just give generic comments like "talk to your org, though we do ABC" |
| 12:13.02 | pi31415926535 | Ivanovic: can a mentor from A org see my other proposals that i gave to B org? |
| 12:13.15 | Ivanovic | i don't know |
| 12:13.19 | ArthurLiu | pi31415926535, no |
| 12:13.33 | pi31415926535 | thanks |
| 12:14.06 | macduy | pi, where are you applying to? |
| 12:14.18 | Ivanovic | last year it was this way: you got a number of slots and did some ranking, those who had a mentor assigned *and* were in the amount of "top rated and accepted" got a message attached if the student was in the "about to be accepted" list of another org |
| 12:14.27 | ojwb | pi31415926535: not until/unless there's a clash |
| 12:14.40 | Ivanovic | then there would be a "this student also has a mentor assigned at org ABC" |
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| 12:14.59 | Ivanovic | no idea how it will be this year, since a new system is used |
| 12:15.01 | ojwb | an org can probably lower its threshold temporarily if they're devious |
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| 12:15.21 | ojwb | but there's really no need to be secretive about it |
| 12:15.35 | ojwb | we know the average number of apps last year was about 2.3 |
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| 12:16.00 | ojwb | so probably a majority of students will have applied elsewhere |
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| 12:16.03 | pi31415926535 | i gave exactly 2 |
| 12:16.12 | PearlJam | lol @ pi31415926535 |
| 12:16.12 | schumaml | someone (lh?) said that there will be a message in the webapp |
| 12:16.23 | pi31415926535 | :D |
| 12:16.43 | Ivanovic | basically it is a case of: be honest to your org |
| 12:16.51 | Ivanovic | they won't kill you if you are interested in other stuff, too |
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| 12:17.26 | riot | hey there.. |
| 12:17.34 | ojwb | if you're good, we'll be delighted if you're turned down by your first choice! |
| 12:17.38 | PearlJam | a student has absolutley no idea about his acceptance till 20th april? |
| 12:17.40 | PearlJam | true? |
| 12:17.56 | riot | not really but officially, yes ;) |
| 12:18.01 | Chainsaw | PearlJam: Indeed. |
| 12:18.13 | Chainsaw | PearlJam: There is no way a mentor can promise you anything until after that date. |
| 12:18.18 | ojwb | you can try asking the org how your chances are |
| 12:18.19 | PearlJam | aah i see. |
| 12:18.38 | riot | hmm.. damn. still looking for a nice project |
| 12:18.43 | shyamheartbreakk | hey wat else can i do until 20th? |
| 12:18.45 | riot | << python coder. |
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| 12:18.55 | pi31415926535 | PearlJam: in some org channels its really obvious who will get the project |
| 12:19.03 | disismt | such as? |
| 12:19.06 | PearlJam | such as? |
| 12:19.09 | ojwb | shyamheartbreakk: get acquainted with the code you'd be working on |
| 12:19.19 | Ivanovic | the org can, once slot numbers are tather sure and stuff like this, say "yes, chances are *really good* that you are in, but it will be final on april 20th" |
| 12:19.24 | disismt | PearlJam, copycat :P |
| 12:19.44 | pi31415926535 | you should follow the channel 24/7 :D |
| 12:19.47 | saiyr | django has one project pretty much sealed already |
| 12:19.48 | shyamheartbreakk | ya but is there some way to contact mentors or somethin |
| 12:19.49 | PearlJam | heh |
| 12:19.58 | Ivanovic | though this "you are probably in, we rated you high and want you as our student" is only 99% sure |
| 12:20.08 | Ivanovic | that is: something can always happen until it is made final |
| 12:20.20 | pi31415926535 | or can write a script that searchs for the keywords that you are interested in then send reports to you e-mail :P |
| 12:21.06 | disismt | hey when no of slots get finalised? |
| 12:21.24 | kblin | when the accepted students get announced |
| 12:21.55 | pi31415926535 | why did they ask for the tshirt size? |
| 12:22.02 | pi31415926535 | in the profile i mean |
| 12:22.17 | geoaxis | pi31415926535: so they can ship you a T-shirt when you complete SoC |
| 12:22.24 | lifeeth | pi31415926535, You forgot a dot |
| 12:22.31 | Ivanovic | bceause if you are accepted, finish the project and such, you get a t-shirt |
| 12:22.37 | aghisla | they could ask also for shoe number |
| 12:22.49 | smtms | pi31415926535, not a T-shirt, but a cool Google Summer of Code T-shirt! |
| 12:22.51 | pi31415926535 | lifeeth: dots are not acceptable in nicknames :) |
| 12:23.04 | lifeeth | forgets :D |
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| 12:23.16 | pi31415926535 | wow i really would like one of those :D |
| 12:23.17 | smtms | lifeeth, he forgot countless decimal digits too |
| 12:23.20 | schumaml | "they are google. why do they still have to *ask* for any personal information?" |
| 12:23.26 | pi31415926535 | smtms: lol |
| 12:24.14 | geoaxis | who is going to bet that this time the deadline for students will not be delayed |
| 12:24.19 | koopersmith | !timeline |
| 12:24.20 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:24.24 | smtms | schumaml, yeah, they should *know* that you want to apply to this open source project and just file in your application for you |
| 12:24.35 | schumaml | !extension |
| 12:24.35 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 12:24.42 | pi31415926535 | i thought they were trying to find a connection between good programming and fattness :P |
| 12:24.44 | smtms | I bet on extending the deadline |
| 12:25.09 | ojwb | hmm, tshirt size vs success rate |
| 12:25.19 | pi31415926535 | coz i'm not fat, just tall :) don't want my chances to decrease haha |
| 12:25.22 | Ivanovic | smtms: as it was already said: won't happen |
| 12:25.29 | ArthurLiu | ojwb, lmao |
| 12:25.29 | makmanalp | ojwb: graph? |
| 12:25.49 | ojwb | barchart, not graph |
| 12:26.13 | makmanalp | ojwb: oh, never mind, i thought you were somehow aggregating data from previous SOCs :P |
| 12:26.27 | ojwb | there's data for a load of stuff in a spreadsheet |
| 12:26.40 | ojwb | collated by the OSPO people recently |
| 12:26.42 | ojwb | but not that |
| 12:27.05 | ArthurLiu | would it be improper use of collected private data ? :) |
| 12:27.31 | ojwb | depends what the privacy policy said I guess |
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| 12:28.05 | ojwb | aggregated use is usually explicitly allowed by them |
| 12:28.20 | ojwb | probably still improper though! |
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| 12:29.33 | KillerX | !deadline |
| 12:29.33 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 12:29.37 | KillerX | !timeline |
| 12:29.37 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:29.46 | absabs | !extension |
| 12:29.46 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 12:30.08 | Chainsaw | absabs: So please hurry. |
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| 12:30.12 | Chainsaw | absabs: You have a few hours left. |
| 12:30.36 | absabs | ;)I have submitted the proposal |
| 12:30.48 | absabs | just want add more details |
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| 12:31.01 | p_l | wheee, sent first proposal |
| 12:31.09 | aghisla | hurry up aaaaaall!! |
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| 12:31.40 | riot | proposals can be modified after the deadline, right? |
| 12:31.54 | apaliwal | only abstract |
| 12:31.58 | absabs | no |
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| 12:32.10 | absabs | can't be modified |
| 12:32.11 | p_l | Fri Apr 3 12:32:11 UTC 2009 |
| 12:32.17 | ojwb | riot: comments are allowed |
| 12:32.25 | absabs | 6 hours left |
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| 12:32.33 | aghisla | countdown.... |
| 12:32.46 | riot | ah, ok. someone mentioned something like that on a maillist i read a few hours ago. |
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| 12:35.20 | gberdyshev | extension |
| 12:36.03 | ojwb | gberdyshev: no, there isn't one |
| 12:36.09 | disismt | no |
| 12:36.10 | p_l | lol |
| 12:36.15 | vedlith | ojwb: you never sleep do you |
| 12:36.24 | ojwb | does |
| 12:37.31 | ojwb | riot: there's a feature planned for mentors to be able to allow an update after the deadline, but I'm not sure if that's going to happen this year or not |
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| 12:37.48 | Ivanovic | personally i prefer this stuff stated in comments |
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| 12:37.55 | Ivanovic | this way it is easier to actually *see* the update |
| 12:37.59 | ojwb | even with that, you won't be able to unless they let you |
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| 12:38.09 | ojwb | some sort of "diff" would be really handy |
| 12:38.41 | ojwb | like "track changes" in openoffice |
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| 12:38.58 | saiyr | first they need to get their formatting straight :| |
| 12:39.06 | macduy | !next |
| 12:39.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 12:39.40 | kblin | Ivanovic: I agree |
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| 12:40.36 | Ivanovic | (this is why i personally try to encourage students to leave a comment after they changed stuff, since this way it is easy to see that something was improved/changed) |
| 12:40.44 | Ivanovic | otherwise things might get lost |
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| 12:41.15 | riot | hmm. i always create a repository for stuff like gsoc |
| 12:41.35 | kblin | riot: that doesn't help your mentor, though |
| 12:41.36 | riot | and since this year i use mercurial so you all get to grab the whole thing :) |
| 12:41.54 | riot | kblin: true. But still, i think its useful. |
| 12:41.58 | Ivanovic | riot: we encourage our students to use our wiki, there we got a history |
| 12:42.24 | Ivanovic | that is: in the google application they post a summary (you know, the box at the top) and in the main text just a link to their wiki page |
| 12:42.30 | ojwb | will file a request for the ability to diff if nobody already has |
| 12:42.33 | Ivanovic | then we comment in the google app and can also see their changes |
| 12:43.53 | riot | Ivanovic: uh, mercurial? vcs? history integrated? vcs -> mother of all wikis |
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| 12:43.54 | Ivanovic | (and yeah, comments from the student "okay, updated my wiki page to follow your advice) |
| 12:43.54 | kblin | riot: wiki, easier to use? |
| 12:43.54 | Nightrose | ahhhhhhhhhh - last minute proposal rush.... |
| 12:43.54 | Ivanovic | riot: a plain mediawiki |
| 12:43.54 | Nightrose | sights |
| 12:44.10 | Ivanovic | Nightrose: yeah, we love it, too... |
| 12:44.13 | Nightrose | ;-) |
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| 12:44.15 | riot | Ivanovic: ok, yeah, i like mediawiki, too. |
| 12:45.17 | Ivanovic | though the most important part is communication with us via irc |
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| 12:45.49 | riot | Ivanovic: i agree, thats quite beneficial. Had some problems of this sort with my mentor last year. Irc would've helped greatly.. |
| 12:46.28 | Ivanovic | riot: our main working place *is* irc |
| 12:46.33 | smtms | riot, you were only using e-mail? |
| 12:46.41 | Ivanovic | the mailling list is basically for announcements and "large scale changes" |
| 12:46.56 | Ivanovic | and the forums is what content designers and artists use, but not our coders |
| 12:47.15 | riot | smtms: nono, my old mentor lives in my town, but he didn't really use irc or IM and just vanished at midterm eval. That was annoying... |
| 12:47.34 | Ivanovic | our dev work is irc and that's it, without being there and communicating well in there, it is not possible for us to really accept a student |
| 12:47.36 | kblin | Ivanovic: isn't it a bit painful to keep history in IRC? |
| 12:47.44 | smtms | riot, you couldn't phone him or show up at his door? |
| 12:47.48 | riot | Ivanovic: its a 3-class com, with irc being the most intermediate.. |
| 12:47.51 | Ivanovic | kblin: why? |
| 12:47.51 | makmanalp | kblin: logbots generally help |
| 12:48.08 | Ivanovic | kblin: we got (public) logs of our dev chan anyway |
| 12:48.11 | riot | smtms: oh i tried that, oh we did. i think even leslie tried calling him. to no avail... |
| 12:48.24 | kblin | Ivanovic: how do you stop idle chatter from interrupting the important stuff? |
| 12:48.43 | Ivanovic | kblin: it just works |
| 12:48.46 | vedlith | one does not idle chatter ;D |
| 12:48.48 | Turuk | Users only come to our IRC from the forums, and they have learned that idle chatter is not tolerated. |
| 12:48.49 | riot | kblin: grep helps :) |
| 12:48.50 | kblin | makmanalp: the signal/noise ratio of IRC is what I'm worried about |
| 12:49.05 | vedlith | I was amazed too how stuff works on freenode, after painful childchood on IRCnet outskirts xD |
| 12:49.07 | kblin | riot: just having a mailing list thread is more convenient |
| 12:49.14 | riot | thats why theres a strict no lol policy e.g. in #python |
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| 12:49.19 | Turuk | We maintain a regular channel solely for wesnoth users to talk to their heart's content. |
| 12:49.27 | makmanalp | kblin: oh, know some people fix that by having a devel only channel and a watercooler channel |
| 12:49.28 | Ivanovic | we are small enough that those producing noise know when to stay calm since real work is happening |
| 12:49.41 | riot | kblin: yeah, but irc and email work quite well together, side by side. |
| 12:49.50 | Ivanovic | and if things are getting too bad, they are just redirected to the "normal" non dev chan, so that dev work can go on in the dev chan |
| 12:50.05 | riot | kblin: irc is for intermediate discussions whereas results can be posted to a list for everybody to read/archive/whatever |
| 12:50.08 | kblin | riot: no one's going to repeat all the discussions on IRC on the mailing list |
| 12:50.18 | riot | i see irc as multiplayer notepad |
| 12:50.29 | riot | kblin: oh, at our local hackerspace, we do. (or, i do) |
| 12:50.44 | kblin | people got more important things to do |
| 12:50.44 | riot | not the whole discussion, but important outcomes |
| 12:50.51 | kblin | like coding |
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| 12:51.08 | kblin | announce lists are not what I mean |
| 12:51.18 | kblin | I'm part of a MMORPG project |
| 12:51.21 | riot | kblin: uh. irc is perfect for team-coding?? you can do it live with very many people |
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| 12:51.34 | kblin | once in a while people come up with "new" ideas how to do thing |
| 12:51.37 | Matthew_P | Hey guys... I was wondering. How is "successful completion" of the GSoC defined exactly? |
| 12:51.54 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: by the org saying "yeah, this was successful, pay him all" |
| 12:52.05 | kblin | it's increadibly helpful to point them at the mailing list thread where we discussed why the new idea sucks, 10 years ago |
| 12:52.24 | Ivanovic | and the orgs will often judgy depending on "has the student reached the specified milestones" |
| 12:52.32 | kblin | it's much easier to find that on the list archives than on the IRC logs |
| 12:52.48 | Ivanovic | if this is not the case it will be something like "hmm, he encountered some problems, has he reasonably tried to work around them?" |
| 12:52.50 | Ivanovic | stuff like this |
| 12:52.50 | ahuillet | kblin : valid points, though some people prefer to use IRC because it's faster |
| 12:53.04 | lifo | hey, when will the slots be allocated to mentoring orgs ? |
| 12:53.12 | kblin | ahuillet: sure. I like using IRC for day to day stuff |
| 12:53.18 | Ivanovic | lifo: alter on after all applications are in |
| 12:53.28 | ahuillet | if I have a small bug to fix or whatever I prefer to discuss it on IRC it's usually much faster |
| 12:53.28 | kblin | ahuillet: but all the important discussions in the project go via email |
| 12:53.37 | Ivanovic | so short guess: first pass at "how many slots will org a get" is some time next week |
| 12:53.45 | Ivanovic | the final numbers will be available on april 20th |
| 12:53.46 | lifo | Ivanovic: thanks |
| 12:53.56 | ahuillet | design discussions.. I don't know. all the projects I have been involved in rely mostly on IRC, but they are relatively small |
| 12:53.58 | casinaroyale | !next |
| 12:53.58 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 12:54.10 | ahuillet | I guess when the team is larger than a few people, the mailing list becomes more interesting |
| 12:54.11 | Matthew_P | so is completing your chosen project a necessity? What if you get hung up on a nasty bug and you run out time? |
| 12:54.12 | Ivanovic | (the numbers available maybe next week are *not* final at all and likely to change in a rage of +/-3) |
| 12:54.31 | kblin | ahuillet: it's really more about having a useful history for us |
| 12:55.11 | Ivanovic | kblin: for us most nonesene ideas are posted in the forums anyway |
| 12:55.13 | kblin | ahuillet: like once in a while people drop by and start discussions about "perma-death vs respawn" |
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| 12:55.20 | Ivanovic | and we can point to those as "discussed and said it sucks" |
| 12:55.43 | Ivanovic | most people in irc are reasonable and close to developer, so mainly implementation stuff of "wanted things" are discussed there |
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| 12:56.00 | Matthew_P | **what numbers? |
| 12:56.12 | ahuillet | kblin : I know, I work on a RPG project, same problem :) |
| 12:56.24 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: the numbers regarding how many slots each org gets |
| 12:56.38 | Matthew_P | oh, got it. |
| 12:56.39 | ahuillet | usually we say "already discussed on IRC and decided it sucked, please send a patch if you want to restart the discussion" |
| 12:56.53 | ajuonline | !fawq |
| 12:56.53 | socinfo | Error: "fawq" is not a valid command. |
| 12:56.56 | Matthew_P | so this is ALL sponsored and payed for by Google, actually. |
| 12:56.57 | ajuonline | !faq |
| 12:56.57 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 12:57.01 | Jorrit | Time to go |
| 12:57.15 | makmanalp | Matthew_P: yes |
| 12:57.19 | Matthew_P | wow |
| 12:57.24 | Matthew_P | pretty awesome |
| 12:57.27 | Ivanovic | kblin: most of the stuff somehow "just works" for us |
| 12:57.34 | makmanalp | Matthew_P: that's what we thought :P |
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| 12:57.36 | kblin | Ivanovic: fair enough |
| 12:57.38 | Ivanovic | though mainly because we are small enough to have work based on irc |
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| 12:57.56 | Ivanovic | and of course we try to get SoC students involved in our normal means of work, too |
| 12:58.09 | kblin | Ivanovic: sure |
| 12:58.34 | prea | !next |
| 12:58.34 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 12:58.46 | Ivanovic | and yeah, for us it is fine to only have "groundbreaking changes" on the mailling list (as well as announcement of whatever kind) |
| 12:58.49 | Matthew_P | So it's really all about doing your best, committing yourself to the project at hand, and working together with your mentors and team to make "adequate" progress? Do I have that about right Ivanovic? |
| 12:59.13 | Ivanovic | most bad ideas are posted in the forums anyway (since they come from players, not people who would really invest the time to implement them) |
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| 12:59.31 | Ivanovic | so when some bad ideas come up on irc we just point to those posts in the forum |
| 12:59.36 | kblin | Ivanovic: well, we don't have players as such |
| 12:59.37 | chunmun | !next |
| 12:59.37 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 12:59.42 | Ivanovic | the good ideas that are not implemented yet are in our bugtracker |
| 12:59.48 | kblin | Ivanovic: just people who come in knowing all about RPGs |
| 12:59.55 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: exactly |
| 13:00.02 | ahuillet | Ivanovic : you put feature requests and bugs in the same tracker? |
| 13:00.09 | Ivanovic | ahuillet: sure |
| 13:00.15 | Ivanovic | the one at gna.org has categories |
| 13:00.22 | ahuillet | ah, yes, with categories |
| 13:00.23 | Ivanovic | one being "bug" the other "feature request" |
| 13:00.23 | makmanalp | ahuillet: that's standard practice in a lot of places |
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| 13:00.30 | ahuillet | makmanalp : no, not without categories |
| 13:00.41 | Ivanovic | and sometimes it is hard to judge if something is a feature request or a bugfix |
| 13:00.46 | ahuillet | I was thinking you had but one list of bugs & ideas all mixed up |
| 13:00.46 | gangil | !next |
| 13:00.46 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 13:00.50 | kblin | ahuillet: I use launchpad, which has a separate tracker for bugs and proposals |
| 13:00.52 | makmanalp | i didn't even *know* they made trackers without categories |
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| 13:01.02 | Matthew_P | great news... I like to hear that. School is enough performance pressure, which is actually counter productive. I thrive in situations where I can take up a project that I'm passionate about and get support when needed... cheers! |
| 13:01.24 | ahuillet | makmanalp : my question must have seemed stupid to you then :) |
| 13:01.25 | chunmun | !extension |
| 13:01.25 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 13:01.29 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: you know, open source development is often about "do what you enjoy" |
| 13:01.40 | makmanalp | ahuillet: well, a bit :P |
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| 13:02.05 | Ivanovic | at least for us it is (and yeah, new people joining and asking questions are handled the same way as our SoC students, the only difference being a higher number of people joining and asking "how to be a dev" at SoC times) |
| 13:02.10 | Matthew_P | That's a good thing... too bad the profit is with the companies that are all about deadlines deadlines deadlines... lol |
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| 13:02.26 | Ivanovic | oh, if you participate in summer of code you *have* deadlines |
| 13:02.31 | Ivanovic | and those are to be followed, too |
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| 13:03.17 | ojwb | points at the big looming thing - that's the first of them |
| 13:03.18 | Matthew_P | Oh, of course... I just meant to say... well, actually I'm not sure what I meant, haha. Disreguard. |
| 13:03.18 | mercurysquad | just sent in his final proposal. :D chill time |
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| 13:03.47 | atulagrwl | !next |
| 13:03.47 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 13:03.52 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: in SoC the main difference is that you define your project to work on (including deadlines) basically yourself |
| 13:03.58 | koopersmith | suggests someone should type !deadline again. it's fun. |
| 13:03.59 | macduy | !timeline |
| 13:04.03 | macduy | :( |
| 13:04.05 | Ivanovic | where at work your boss will say "do this and that, you got X days!" |
| 13:04.20 | smtms | do this and this and this, you've got one summer! |
| 13:04.26 | Matthew_P | nice... well you need to have organization and goals... otherwise you're just not being productive. |
| 13:04.28 | Ivanovic | though yeah, the orgs got a say in the proposals and timelines, too |
| 13:04.31 | koopersmith | someone should type !extension, rather |
| 13:04.31 | fargiolas | !timeline |
| 13:04.31 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 13:04.46 | kblin | omg |
| 13:04.58 | Ivanovic | so: talk to them, agree with them on a (sane) schedule and make them aware that you are the right one for the task |
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| 13:05.33 | kblin | some of these last minute proposals really hurt my "overall quality has gone up" opinion |
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| 13:05.40 | ahuillet | kblin : ah ? |
| 13:05.48 | Matthew_P | yeah, I've only applied for SIP-Communicator so far |
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| 13:05.51 | Matthew_P | three of theirs |
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| 13:05.54 | Ivanovic | kblin: hehe, yeah, i understand what you mean |
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| 13:06.09 | shirish | should there be active involvement at the proposed localtion even after the proposal date ends |
| 13:06.09 | ahuillet | lots of crappy stuff next to the deadline? strange |
| 13:06.10 | ojwb | perhaps fortunately, I've not seen a new proposal for hours |
| 13:06.14 | Ivanovic | and regarding pure numbers: we are now higher than last year |
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| 13:06.16 | shirish | like the discussion at tcomments |
| 13:06.20 | shirish | *comments |
| 13:06.55 | Matthew_P | wow... that's pretty crazy |
| 13:06.56 | ahuillet | shirish : I am sorry I doubt many people understood your question |
| 13:06.56 | mercurysquad | i've sent 2 proposals this year. better to send 2 good ones than 20 average ones |
| 13:06.59 | ahuillet | I sure did not |
| 13:07.11 | ojwb | in fact, one student seems to have withdrawn his, but it was in the "no chance unless updated" pile |
| 13:07.12 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: wow. how many have been submitted in the past few hours? |
| 13:07.25 | Ivanovic | we are currently at 30 proposals that are still in the process, 3 already in the "ineligable" area (two because the students retreated, one because of basically spammy) |
| 13:07.25 | Matthew_P | oh, for sure... Google said themselves. It's all about quality, not quantity. |
| 13:07.40 | makmanalp | mercurysquad: agreed |
| 13:07.48 | Ivanovic | koopersmith: we went over the list on tuesday/wednesday the last time to make sure every proposal is at least read once and commented |
| 13:07.53 | Matthew_P | I spent a couple hours on my proposals, proof reading and spell checking each one at LEAST three times. |
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| 13:08.09 | thomastc | hmm... I'll be travelling from April 15 until May 8... have indicated this in my proposals... but will it be a big problem? |
| 13:08.11 | Ivanovic | at that time there were 18 proposals (including the three now marked ineligeble ones) |
| 13:08.26 | kblin | I just got a "I'm really going to implement something cool, just don't know what it'll look like" proposal |
| 13:08.30 | mercurysquad | i already AM traveling :) been out of town exactly since march 23 |
| 13:08.32 | Ivanovic | atm we got 15 that are commented and another 15 that came in after we made our pass over the "already submitted" once |
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| 13:08.49 | makmanalp | kblin: how would you rate that approach? |
| 13:08.59 | Ivanovic | kblin: our spam app was this one as abstract: "im aplying for the full time job " |
| 13:09.07 | Ivanovic | topic "student proposal" |
| 13:09.12 | makmanalp | Ivanovic: hahah |
| 13:09.13 | Matthew_P | I have a question: |
| 13:09.17 | mercurysquad | lol |
| 13:09.22 | ahuillet | I think some people genuinely do not understand what google summer of code is about :) |
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| 13:09.38 | Ivanovic | of course it was not following our template or listing a proposal, the end was " |
| 13:09.39 | Ivanovic | as i said i have a lot of free time. 7-8 hours a day. |
| 13:09.40 | Ivanovic | Im expecting your email. |
| 13:09.42 | Ivanovic | " |
| 13:09.42 | makmanalp | ahuillet: it's all about the money, obviously! money! |
| 13:09.42 | kblin | makmanalp: well, unless the student comes up with significanly more meat until the deadline... |
| 13:09.44 | Matthew_P | How many people would you say get denied just based on their lack of experience? How badly lacking ARE they? |
| 13:09.46 | tilmann_ | !next |
| 13:09.46 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 13:09.53 | koopersmith | Ivanovic: you can't argue with that. he's gotta get accepted. |
| 13:09.54 | makmanalp | kblin: that's what i'd figured, yeah. |
| 13:10.05 | ahuillet | I know several people asked me about how to apply and were completely unaware that you had to define your project and say how you are going to do it etc. |
| 13:10.26 | makmanalp | ahuillet: i think that's just plain not rtfm'ing |
| 13:10.28 | kblin | makmanalp: because if anyone is willing to mentor this, I've got a bridge he might be interested in buying |
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| 13:10.45 | makmanalp | kblin: haha, i see your point |
| 13:11.14 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: uhm, this is a damn difficult questioin |
| 13:11.22 | Ivanovic | and can only be answered with "no idea" |
| 13:11.26 | Matthew_P | really? haha |
| 13:11.29 | Ivanovic | since the orgs decide |
| 13:11.39 | Ivanovic | and they decide on various "parameters" |
| 13:11.44 | Matthew_P | any SUPER rough guess? |
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| 13:11.51 | ahuillet | Matthew_P : I do not believe lack of experience to be the primary reason for dismissal of a proposal |
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| 13:12.15 | ahuillet | students are not fully trained professionnals after all, and everybody is well aware of this |
| 13:12.18 | Matthew_P | really? Well that's encouraging, because I'm pretty darn good at writing resumes and such. |
| 13:12.29 | ahuillet | a resume for GSoC is useless. |
| 13:12.32 | Matthew_P | having worked a few jobs in my life, haha |
| 13:12.36 | Ivanovic | things like "is the proposal well thought", "is the student probably able to implement it?", "does the student really have the time needed?", "is the student trying to be involved with out org?" was well as "do we think he will stay post SoC?" |
| 13:12.46 | kblin | Matthew_P: I think most of our decisions to not pick a student last year was failure to communicate with us |
| 13:12.54 | Matthew_P | of course it is... but if you can write a good resume, you should have no problem writing up a good proposal |
| 13:13.10 | Matthew_P | is useless that is... sorry to be confusing |
| 13:13.17 | ahuillet | Matthew_P : strange affirmation if I may say :) |
| 13:13.24 | Matthew_P | lol... yeah, sorry |
| 13:13.26 | Ivanovic | yes, this year it will clearly be: no good communication with us -> no slot from our side |
| 13:13.32 | Matthew_P | you got it thoguh |
| 13:13.34 | Matthew_P | *though |
| 13:13.55 | Matthew_P | so that means, never coming to IRC? or what? |
| 13:13.57 | kblin | Matthew_P: like failing to update the proposal to address the questions we had |
| 13:14.39 | ahuillet | I don't think I ever updated a proposal of mine in the past years... I try to work out the proposal first and submit it afterwards |
| 13:14.52 | Matthew_P | Ahh... I see. So it's important that I keep a careful eye on all my submitted proposals. On a daily basis probably? |
| 13:14.55 | ahuillet | since I prefer to discuss it on IRC or by mail than on the Google app, be it Melange or the previous one they were using |
| 13:15.03 | ojwb | ahuillet: that means you've communicated already then |
| 13:15.09 | ojwb | which is also cool |
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| 13:15.12 | ojwb | better in some ways |
| 13:15.17 | ahuillet | ojwb : yeah, how can you write a proposal without having talked to the guys first? :) |
| 13:15.31 | ahuillet | a good one I mean :) |
| 13:15.40 | Matthew_P | erm... read as much as possible about the project, then.... guess! |
| 13:15.41 | Matthew_P | lol |
| 13:15.52 | kblin | Matthew_P: nah |
| 13:16.02 | kblin | Matthew_P: I tried that in 2005 |
| 13:16.23 | kblin | Matthew_P: I ended up doing completely different things during the project |
| 13:16.25 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: for us it is important to see "can we talk to the student" |
| 13:16.31 | Ivanovic | Matthew_P: this is (for us) irc |
| 13:16.33 | ahuillet | it kind of works if you get your guesses checked by project devs ;) |
| 13:16.36 | Matthew_P | I've actually been hopping in the IRC channels for the projects I'm applying for to talk to people. |
| 13:16.37 | Ivanovic | other orgs will prefer mails and whatever |
| 13:16.47 | Ivanovic | and yeah, you should monitor your proposal for comments |
| 13:16.53 | Ivanovic | otherwise those would be worthless, right? |
| 13:16.55 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:17.07 | makmanalp | there is a subscribe button |
| 13:17.09 | Matthew_P | ah... yeah, I never used IRC before this GSoC thing... I don't mind it. |
| 13:17.39 | Matthew_P | yeah... I'll subscribe to them. |
| 13:17.45 | ojwb | hmm, are other mentors suddenly missing the "public" checkbox and scoring stuff? |
| 13:18.04 | kblin | ojwb: that's if you click on a notify |
| 13:18.13 | Matthew_P | uh oh... did I miss that? I didn't see any check box.... |
| 13:18.15 | ojwb | oh, how useful |
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| 13:18.39 | kblin | ojwb: I don't really get it myself |
| 13:18.54 | ojwb | and it has a single unsubscribe, not two |
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| 13:19.12 | ojwb | Matthew_P: mentors can make public or private comments |
| 13:19.16 | ojwb | students can't |
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| 13:19.33 | ojwb | kblin: thanks for sorting that out for me! |
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| 13:20.01 | Matthew_P | oh, ok |
| 13:20.56 | kblin | ojwb: I stumbled over the same thing some hours ago |
| 13:21.50 | ojwb | another of our mentors just did too, so I was able to appear all clever |
| 13:21.59 | kblin | :) |
| 13:22.11 | SantiByron | !next |
| 13:22.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 13:22.26 | kblin | see, hanging out in IRC gives you an edge even as a mentor ;) |
| 13:22.47 | macduy | can mentors already make comments? |
| 13:23.33 | cristi | yes, they can :) |
| 13:23.54 | prea | macduy: sure they are making comments :) |
| 13:24.16 | krzaqpl | I checked FAQ and userguide, no help there, do I have to write "Major Subject" in English? |
| 13:24.31 | macduy | thanks |
| 13:25.03 | makmanalp | krzaqpl: well, it would make sense, since the mentors need to be able to understand it |
| 13:25.21 | makmanalp | and so does google, iirc |
| 13:25.22 | Matthew_P | yeah, it seems that after being accepted to GSoC, you'd want to spend the majority of your time in the channel of the project for which you have been accepted though. |
| 13:25.24 | ojwb | we don't see it I think |
| 13:25.33 | ahuillet | Matthew_P : depends on the project |
| 13:25.42 | ahuillet | some projects don't use IRC, so... :) |
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| 13:26.34 | Matthew_P | oh, well yeah. If they prefer email, then. I'm not sure which I would prefer honestly. I like the immediacy of IRC, but it can also be a big distraction for me since it's very hard for me to read all the chats and concentrate on my project at the same time. |
| 13:27.18 | ahuillet | #gsoc sees a lot of traffic, most channels are not like this |
| 13:27.19 | makmanalp | Matthew_P: it's an acquired skill, to ignore IRC and focus |
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| 13:27.42 | Landon | email *gets* my attention, IRC gets my divided attention |
| 13:27.42 | Landon | :p |
| 13:27.44 | Matthew_P | yeah, I know |
| 13:27.59 | Matthew_P | sure |
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| 13:28.38 | riot | hmm, where should i apply with my own project? Its going to be a complete finger/pen/touch-driven midi recording studio application including plugins like sequencers, midi controllers etc... It uses pygame/sdl, but they say they don't have very many mentors :/ |
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| 13:29.48 | Matthew_P | so when I hit the subscribe button, that will send me an email anytime I get a comment on my proposal? |
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| 13:30.05 | derkaiser | riot:maybe it can be implemented on maemo? |
| 13:30.14 | riot | derkaiser: i intend to do so, too, yes. |
| 13:30.24 | riot | derkaiser: incidentially i have an n810 ;) |
| 13:30.26 | derkaiser | well, try it:) |
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| 13:30.34 | riot | derkaiser: they have enough mentors? |
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| 13:30.47 | derkaiser | hehe, I get one too, but it belongs to my school's lab:p |
| 13:30.59 | riot | its a mighty fine device. |
| 13:31.09 | derkaiser | I don't know about it, you can talk related issues on #maemo channel |
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| 13:31.22 | riot | love it, though someone coding bullshit and me trying his app made the battery drain totally last night. |
| 13:31.29 | derkaiser | N8xx is a cool mobile device:) I love it |
| 13:31.29 | riot | yeah, i'm on there |
| 13:32.25 | derkaiser | oh, fine, vdvsx is there, you can discuss the problems with him |
| 13:33.29 | Matthew_P | are subscriptions auto-email notifications following comments on our proposals? |
| 13:34.34 | summatusmentis | Landon: did you do an all nighter? |
| 13:34.36 | riot | derkaiser: yeah, i just saw it.. thanks for the hint :) |
| 13:34.51 | Landon | summatusmentis: do 15 minute naps count? |
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| 13:34.59 | derkaiser | riot:hehe, hope you can succeed:) |
| 13:35.05 | Landon | I AM READY FOR MY TEST |
| 13:35.10 | summatusmentis | Landon: no. You are crazy |
| 13:35.14 | BCarlyon|Server | test? |
| 13:35.20 | BCarlyon|Server | PANIC! |
| 13:35.27 | summatusmentis | Landon: I got 5 hours, and I can barely keep my eyes open |
| 13:35.42 | Matthew_P | Can I have a brief answer please? |
| 13:35.44 | Landon | my eyes are hurtin a little |
| 13:35.47 | derkaiser | Matthew_P, you will get a auto-mail when there is any updates on your proposal |
| 13:35.48 | Landon | but no problems keepin htem open yet |
| 13:35.56 | Matthew_P | ok... thank you |
| 13:36.08 | derkaiser | :) |
| 13:36.15 | Matthew_P | :) |
| 13:36.21 | Matthew_P | :-P |
| 13:36.24 | Matthew_P | :-p |
| 13:36.35 | Matthew_P | hmmm... very limited smileys, haha |
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| 13:37.26 | irahul | !next |
| 13:37.27 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 13:39.29 | kblin | another flame bait on the list |
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| 13:41.03 | ArthurLiu | kblin, what flamebait ? |
| 13:41.46 | BCarlyon|Server | that kblin is such a <cenosred> |
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| 13:42.11 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 13:43.27 | disismt | !lh |
| 13:43.27 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 13:43.41 | sanooj | is NoScript known to interact badly with google account sign in? |
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| 13:44.06 | WinterMute | geek herder, hehehehe |
| 13:44.24 | kblin | WinterMute: couldn't be more true, though |
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| 13:45.00 | WinterMute | just reminds me of something I saw somewhere - "Managing programmers is like herding cats" |
| 13:45.02 | ojwb | prefers cenosblue |
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| 13:45.18 | ojwb | WinterMute: I think it is an intentional allusion |
| 13:45.24 | kblin | WinterMute: that's where it comes from |
| 13:45.33 | WinterMute | :) |
| 13:45.33 | pfoetchen | sanooj having scripts on helps a lot |
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| 13:45.57 | kblin | remembers lh herding hordes of CIFS geeks to the google cantina |
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| 13:49.49 | macduy | reads an example use of "herding cats" on urban dictionary: "managing cats is like herding cats" |
| 13:50.29 | ajuonline | !extensio |
| 13:50.29 | socinfo | Error: "extensio" is not a valid command. |
| 13:50.32 | ajuonline | !extension |
| 13:50.32 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 13:50.39 | ajuonline | ddamn* |
| 13:50.51 | Erant | ajuonline: So, how many times have you look at this today? |
| 13:50.59 | Erant | +ed |
| 13:51.06 | LV-426_ | nothing like extension FUD |
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| 13:51.23 | ajuonline | is not talking to Erant |
| 13:51.32 | ajuonline | :D |
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| 13:51.47 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 13:58.23 | ojwb | if he'd typed 10 characters into his proposal instead each time, it would be done by now |
| 13:58.32 | straydawg | :) |
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| 14:12.29 | t0ms | !next |
| 14:12.30 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 14:15.32 | rohananil | !extension |
| 14:15.32 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 14:15.40 | dho_plan9 | <3 |
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| 14:15.49 | Erant | blinks |
| 14:15.49 | pcmattman | why do people want extensions so bad :/ |
| 14:15.58 | Erant | Planning fail? |
| 14:16.03 | Ivanovic | pcmattman: because they are not used to real deadlines |
| 14:16.15 | Ivanovic | and really failling once is probably the best way for them to learn |
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| 14:16.38 | Ivanovic | (yes, i think there was enough time to work on a proposal and submit it over the last weeks!) |
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| 14:16.42 | pcmattman | i just don't get how difficult a deadline is - you get what you need to get done in by the deadline, it's not so hard |
| 14:16.53 | Korby939 | hey, i just submitted my student proposal for gsoc for the wine project. is there anything else i need to do now? |
| 14:17.06 | t0ms | Korby939: rest? :) |
| 14:17.08 | pcmattman | leave it till the last minute and realise you need to submit some patches, then you should've planned things out better |
| 14:17.11 | pcmattman | </rant> |
| 14:17.15 | Ivanovic | Korby939: wait for comments, you will get some |
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| 14:17.34 | Ivanovic | right, and talk to the wine people how to further improve it and/or how you can help them in general |
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| 14:19.00 | BCarlyon|Server | Woo redone wordpress app in the can :-) |
| 14:19.04 | mdc_mobile | tells folks "The proposal process is part of our evaluation of applicants." |
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| 14:20.11 | Ivanovic | mdc_mobile: students not realizing this should not moan to loudly when they are not accepted |
| 14:20.12 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 14:21.15 | mdc_mobile | Ivanovic: I want them to understand that this is not some magic state-machine where we just look at a limited set of data and run a formula on it :) |
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| 14:21.42 | locutus4 | !extension |
| 14:21.43 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 14:21.50 | locutus4 | ;( |
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| 14:21.56 | mdc_mobile | We are looking for the best _applicants_ not the best _proposals_ |
| 14:21.57 | Ivanovic | mdc_mobile: this is why our normal comment when the student is not in irc already is "please join our irc chan so that we can talk with you about your proposal" |
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| 14:22.11 | BCarlyon|Server | IRC ftw |
| 14:22.22 | Ivanovic | mdc_mobile: exactly |
| 14:22.22 | pcmattman | heh, i'm closing this IRC channel until after the deadline so i don't rage at the "!extension" command being used |
| 14:22.41 | Ivanovic | pcmattman: hehe |
| 14:22.54 | mdc_mobile | Yes, we rely on our IRC interviews heavily to get to know our potential students better. |
| 14:23.04 | ojwb | wonders what a frequency of use of !extension vs time to deadline would look like |
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| 14:23.31 | Ivanovic | ojwb: clearly exponential growth |
| 14:23.39 | tilmann_ | hehe |
| 14:23.42 | mdc_mobile | It would be cool if the !extension command had a random set of responses :) |
| 14:23.52 | mdc_mobile | "the end is near!" |
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| 14:24.13 | skbohra | "hurry up" |
| 14:24.31 | Ivanovic | "life is finite, so is your time left! use it wisely!" |
| 14:24.35 | BCarlyon|Server | "f off I'm busy writing here I am applying to rewrite myself" |
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| 14:24.38 | mdc_mobile | "extensions? we don't need no stinkin' extensions! vamanos!" |
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| 14:25.19 | BCarlyon|Server | My quote as said by socinfo |
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| 14:26.16 | Ivanovic | hmm, what about this one: "if you need an extension, start to write your application now and submit it next year..." |
| 14:26.18 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
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| 14:26.25 | p_l | lol |
| 14:26.27 | mdc_mobile | Ivanovic: that's cold :) |
| 14:26.28 | derkaiser | :p |
| 14:26.37 | mdc_mobile | ( but I like it :) ) |
| 14:27.00 | mateolan | mdc_mobile: I am intrigued by your statements, ""The proposal process is part of our evaluation of applicants."--and "We are looking for the best _applicants_ not the best _proposals_" --so what of a relative newbie with a great idea? |
| 14:27.44 | cristi | i guess let the newbies get some experience |
| 14:28.04 | cristi | and steal theier ideas (they won't be implement them anyway) :P |
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| 14:28.30 | derkaiser | I think a great idea should be implemented by a right person. If a newbie can not do it, so let other people do it |
| 14:28.35 | cristi | (in time someone else get's the idea, at least) |
| 14:28.37 | ojwb | suspects you're misinterpreting "best applicant" |
| 14:28.45 | cristi | see? |
| 14:28.57 | Korby939 | t0ms: i will be notified via email then, won't i? how long will i have to wait? (hours or days?) |
| 14:29.04 | mdc_mobile | mateolan: a newbie needs to show that they have read the codebase, can build it, asks intelligent questions, can create a properly formatted patch for review, and can demonstrate proficiency with our toolchain (git, C) and other tools (wireshark, etc.) |
| 14:29.11 | ojwb | it's the "whole package" which matters |
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| 14:29.59 | l0nwlf_ | !timeline |
| 14:30.00 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 14:30.09 | mdc_mobile | We rank our projects by difficulty level, so a less experienced person can participate, but they will have to work hard and show initiative to be selected. |
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| 14:30.22 | mateolan | mdc_mobile:uh...so if I am developing for Plone, you want me to know those tools too? |
| 14:30.23 | derkaiser | mdc_mobile, may I ask which org you come from? |
| 14:30.54 | mdc_mobile | mateolan: the toolset and the language would seem to be important :) |
| 14:31.06 | mdc_mobile | derkaiser: http://etherboot.org/ |
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| 14:31.33 | mateolan | mdc_mobile: are you speaking specifically from your sponsoring org's persp or Goog';s perspecrtive? |
| 14:31.49 | mdc_mobile | mateolan: only from our org's perspective |
| 14:32.21 | mdc_mobile | This is our 4th GSoC, so we've learned by our mistakes :) |
| 14:32.26 | Ivanovic | mateolan: we can not speak from googles perspective |
| 14:32.37 | Ivanovic | especially when it comes to selecting the students |
| 14:32.47 | Ivanovic | since google does not say "select this one or that one" |
| 14:33.02 | mdc_mobile | But buy carefully selecting and mentoring our students, almost all have succeeded. |
| 14:33.20 | mdc_mobile | (and mentoring has had great benefits for our project too) |
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| 14:33.34 | sanooj | mdc_mobile: what kinds of benefits? |
| 14:33.50 | mateolan | mdc_mobile: ah, kk...dificult to know where peeps are coming from in this forum |
| 14:33.53 | mdc_mobile | Explaining something to a student really helps us understand it we truly understand it, and if it makes sense :) |
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| 14:34.22 | mdc_mobile | We have weekly (private) IRC meetings with our students to see how they are progressing on their projects. |
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| 14:34.35 | mdc_mobile | Of course they can talk to us anytime as well, but the weekly |
| 14:34.41 | loufoque | as a student, how much time per week should I dedicate to a project? |
| 14:34.43 | mdc_mobile | meetings are a great time to see if they are stuck on something. |
| 14:34.53 | kpreid | hm, my profile page (public view) lists very little information e.g. no web site link or picture or im network. bug, looking in the wrong place, or I've made a mistake? |
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| 14:35.13 | mdc_mobile | loufoque: It really depends on a lot of factors |
| 14:35.20 | dampflames | !next |
| 14:35.21 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 14:35.39 | schumaml | kpreid: afaik privacy concerns |
| 14:35.42 | nielsgl | 4.5 hours left! |
| 14:35.47 | Ivanovic | loufoque: treat it as full time job |
| 14:36.01 | loufoque | full time by which standards? |
| 14:36.12 | Ivanovic | by your very own standards |
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| 14:36.28 | mdc_mobile | loufoque: It's really a complex equation based on how much time your need to do what you promised, what your mentor and sponsoring orgs expectations are, and how skilled you are. |
| 14:36.30 | tilmann_ | loufoque: google says 20h/week is reasonable |
| 14:36.30 | Ivanovic | basically it depends all on how fast you work and stuff like this |
| 14:36.36 | tilmann_ | though it largeley depends on your project |
| 14:36.40 | Ivanovic | tilmann_: ugh, no, it is not |
| 14:36.43 | sanooj | loufoque: 40 hours a week, saturdays are "company picknik time" at the office, sundays you go drinking with the boss. |
| 14:36.50 | loufoque | 20h/week doesn't really look full time |
| 14:36.53 | Ivanovic | this is what google say should be entered when someone asks questions |
| 14:37.01 | mdc_mobile | We have had a student who basically was done with his midterm milestone _one week_ into the summer :) |
| 14:37.08 | mdc_mobile | He was amazing. |
| 14:37.17 | Ivanovic | as in: in some countries there are limits what students are allowed to do while still being called students |
| 14:37.17 | aghisla | \o/ |
| 14:37.18 | mdc_mobile | And he didn't slow down! |
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| 14:37.33 | mdc_mobile | He kept pushing and did more than we ever expected. |
| 14:37.39 | Ivanovic | in germany that is basically about 2 month with >20h per week or "constant" up to 20h work |
| 14:37.41 | nielsgl | mdc_mobile: you overrated the time it would take to complete his task or he was really that good? |
| 14:37.43 | mdc_mobile | It was a pleasure and privilege to mentor him. |
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| 14:37.55 | mdc_mobile | nielsgl: he was that good :) |
| 14:38.08 | mdc_mobile | ( he also started before start of coding ) |
| 14:38.14 | Ivanovic | loufoque: so it is basically good to asume that you might have to invest 40h/week |
| 14:38.17 | mdc_mobile | But that was part of his goodness :) |
| 14:38.32 | nielsgl | mdc_mobile: are you sure he was a student or just being unemployed ;-) |
| 14:38.48 | mdc_mobile | I skyped with him, and he was just graduating |
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| 14:38.59 | Ivanovic | nielsgl: you know, summer of code is meant to happen in your "lecture free period" |
| 14:39.07 | Ivanovic | and students *can* be completely free then |
| 14:39.10 | codestasher | whatever he was we need to appreciate the effort that he put |
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| 14:39.29 | mdc_mobile | But even those less gifted did well -- by working steadily |
| 14:39.38 | mdc_mobile | and communicating with us about where they were. |
| 14:39.46 | loufoque | I guess I'll put 35h/week, since that's the official full work time in my country |
| 14:39.47 | nielsgl | Ivanovic: true ofcourse! |
| 14:40.09 | mdc_mobile | We require our students to have "work hours" when they are online and to keep journals, as well. |
| 14:40.25 | mdc_mobile | And to update their git repositories at least every week. |
| 14:40.29 | Ivanovic | loufoque: though in general a question like "how many hours per week will i have to spend" is not a good question to ask |
| 14:40.37 | mdc_mobile | So we can see what they are up to without asking all the time :) |
| 14:40.45 | Ivanovic | in general it is: at least as much as required to get the work done |
| 14:40.45 | sanooj | mdc_mobile: which project is this? |
| 14:40.51 | locutus4 | !extension |
| 14:40.51 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 14:40.52 | mdc_mobile | etherboot.org |
| 14:41.24 | mdc_mobile | Mentoring requires a good bit of energy, but it is very rewarding. |
| 14:41.33 | Ivanovic | for some brilliant mind this might mean at least 20h per week are required, for some beginner it might be even 60h |
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| 14:41.34 | ojwb | great, an application which is just our application template |
| 14:41.38 | p_l | Fri Apr 3 14:41:38 UTC 2009 |
| 14:41.39 | loufoque | Ivanovic: the proposal template asks to put how much time I plan to dedicate. The real answer would be "as much as is needed to get the milestone ready in time", but that's not really a good answer |
| 14:41.40 | fortyseventeen | yay super crazy rush hour fun. |
| 14:41.43 | Ivanovic | it depends a lot on the task and the knowledge |
| 14:41.45 | p_l | <5h to go! |
| 14:41.52 | MattDanger | ojwb: we had one of those at Geeklog |
| 14:41.55 | p_l | finishes second application |
| 14:41.57 | Ivanovic | loufoque: oh, it is a very valid answer |
| 14:42.01 | mdc_mobile | loufoque: talk to your potential mentors |
| 14:42.07 | fortyseventeen | isn't it <3h? |
| 14:42.15 | Ivanovic | loufoque: but in general you should state what you *think* you need to invest for the project |
| 14:42.16 | nerus | four applications done, one more left |
| 14:42.21 | loufoque | mdc_mobile: a bit too late for that |
| 14:42.28 | mdc_mobile | Another thing is that it might be 40 hours the first week or two, |
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| 14:42.38 | mdc_mobile | and then 20 after that; |
| 14:42.40 | Ivanovic | so if you think your timeline is based on "i will need 35h per week", then state this adding a "if i need more time, then so be it" |
| 14:42.50 | loufoque | well I personally think I can do much more that I propose, but I was asked to reduce the scope of the project to be sure to finish it |
| 14:42.56 | loufoque | s/that/than/ |
| 14:43.10 | locutus4 | !extension |
| 14:43.11 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 14:43.11 | loufoque | handy bot |
| 14:43.14 | Ivanovic | loufoque: yes, this is what we want our students to do, too |
| 14:43.16 | locutus4 | :( |
| 14:43.25 | mdc_mobile | Learning a new, complex toolchain can require a lot of time at the beginning, but once you are comfortable with the tools, it can be easier. |
| 14:43.29 | honglianglv | hello, can i edit my profile after the dealine of application(Apr 3rd)? |
| 14:43.29 | Ivanovic | better state less then you do but have some "possible extensions" available when done early |
| 14:43.39 | Ivanovic | honglianglv: no |
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| 14:43.51 | Ivanovic | honglianglv: but you can still post comments and they will be read by the mentors |
| 14:43.56 | mdc_mobile | If you already know emacs/vi, git, make, gdb, ssh, and whatever else you need, life is much easier :) |
| 14:44.11 | Ivanovic | (or do you mean stuff you answer to google like address, t-shirt size and such?) |
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| 14:44.19 | Ivanovic | if you mean this: sure you can edit it later on |
| 14:44.38 | Ivanovic | though the application text and the summary are "final" in some hours |
| 14:44.41 | tntcoder | needs to learn version control |
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| 14:45.00 | mdc_mobile | tntcoder: svn, git, or something else? |
| 14:45.32 | tntcoder | GIT I think, version control is one thing ive never been exposed to, looking forward to learning :) |
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| 14:46.10 | Ivanovic | honglianglv: i hope this answers your question |
| 14:46.15 | mdc_mobile | tntcoder: it takes a little getting used to, especially coming from cvs or svn, but there are a lot of good tutorials now on the web :) |
| 14:46.38 | Ivanovic | version control in general is a *lovely* thing to hace |
| 14:46.40 | tntcoder | thanks, yer ive seen alot of good guides |
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| 14:46.50 | Ivanovic | nowaddays i do not want to miss it anymore |
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| 14:47.25 | locutus4 | is it possible to submit blank application and improve it over the weekend ? |
| 14:47.34 | ojwb | locutus4: no |
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| 14:47.44 | dvcoolster | i have submitted my application |
| 14:47.51 | dvcoolster | now wat to do |
| 14:47.52 | locutus4 | or almost blank ;) |
| 14:47.56 | locutus4 | why not ? |
| 14:47.59 | insane | is this ok that when i click on public view on my application i see both the abstract and the content? |
| 14:48.00 | kitallis | dvcoolster: me neither |
| 14:48.01 | aghisla | dvcoolster: sleep |
| 14:48.07 | Ivanovic | locutus4: possible in general: yes |
| 14:48.09 | WinterMute | mdc_mobile, got any good pointers? I've used cvs & svn, not taken the plunge with git yet |
| 14:48.11 | insane | is this also visible for others? |
| 14:48.12 | mdc_mobile | locutus4: you really need to ask the organization you are applying for -- we have told some students to submit a simple application and to be well-prepared for their IRC interview. |
| 14:48.14 | aghisla | eat something tasty |
| 14:48.14 | Ivanovic | chance of being accepted: not too good... |
| 14:48.22 | smtms | dvcoolster, now it's time you do your GSoC project, and next week you can start picking a vacation place |
| 14:48.25 | Ivanovic | that is: unless the org is aware of this and fine with it |
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| 14:49.07 | locutus4 | mdc_mobile what is your org? |
| 14:49.22 | neWorld | am i allowed to edit the project proposal |
| 14:49.22 | neWorld | <neWorld> once i have submitted it |
| 14:49.31 | [Evan] | Yes |
| 14:49.48 | dvcoolster | lolax |
| 14:49.48 | dvcoolster | can i update my proposal |
| 14:49.48 | dvcoolster | even after today |
| 14:49.48 | dvcoolster | the final date |
| 14:49.48 | dvcoolster | does it affect my proposal was late |
| 14:49.56 | mdc_mobile | locutus4: etherboot.org |
| 14:50.06 | locutus4 | C only ? |
| 14:50.15 | dvcoolster | can i edit my proposal even after today |
| 14:50.20 | dvcoolster | when the last date ends??? |
| 14:50.24 | aghisla | dvcoolster: no edits allowed after deadline |
| 14:50.30 | aghisla | comments are allowed |
| 14:50.31 | mdc_mobile | locutus4: was that C-only for me? |
| 14:50.51 | aghisla | otherwise why do google has put a deadline? |
| 14:51.06 | aghisla | s/has/have/ |
| 14:51.24 | aghisla | my english is terrible in this sentence |
| 14:51.26 | locutus4 | mod_modbile: yes |
| 14:51.31 | tilmann_ | Ivanovic: yeah that's what i meant when saying it depends on your project, essentially a GSoC project is a fixed price project |
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| 14:52.00 | Ivanovic | tilmann_: yeah |
| 14:52.01 | tilmann_ | so the results is more important than the time your spend on it |
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| 14:52.09 | neWorld | where does i have go to edit my proposal..i just see the add comment feature once i open my submitted proposal |
| 14:52.22 | aghisla | at the top of the page |
| 14:52.29 | [Evan] | I heard earlier that you can continue to edit your proposals after the deadline. Somebody was worried about it. |
| 14:52.31 | insane | is this ok that when i click on public view on my application i see both the abstract and the content? Is the content also available for other participants then? |
| 14:52.40 | neWorld | aha.. |
| 14:52.42 | neWorld | thank you |
| 14:52.44 | aghisla | no, to mentors of that application only |
| 14:52.54 | EricJ | !next |
| 14:52.54 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 14:53.25 | dvcoolster | thank you |
| 14:53.31 | EricJ | Hm, 4 hours left. |
| 14:53.42 | aghisla | panic!! |
| 14:53.45 | aghisla | haha |
| 14:53.52 | EricJ | About time I wrote my application, yeah. |
| 14:54.01 | aghisla | I've already started read documentation |
| 14:54.13 | EricJ | I'll write it after dinner. ;) |
| 14:54.20 | nerus | EricJ: dude :) |
| 14:54.25 | tilmann_ | heh |
| 14:54.49 | locutus4 | !next |
| 14:54.50 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 14:55.25 | aghisla | we should plot !next density vs approaching of a deadline |
| 14:55.51 | EricJ | aghisla: make it a gsoc project ;) |
| 14:55.53 | aghisla | haha |
| 14:55.58 | dvcoolster | lol |
| 14:56.04 | dvcoolster | yeah |
| 14:56.17 | locutus4 | anyone send proposal to jboss ? |
| 14:56.18 | loufoque | what's !next for? |
| 14:56.43 | fortyseventeen | next item on the Great Schedule. |
| 14:56.44 | tilmann_ | locutus4: i think it always points to the next deadline |
| 14:56.47 | aghisla | it is FORDBIDDEN |
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| 14:56.56 | aghisla | to use it in the next minute |
| 14:57.09 | aghisla | scroll up to pick up last call :) |
| 14:57.28 | fortyseventeen | I didn't think I'd even try for gsoc this year, until two days ago, when a research project I was slated for suddenly fell through. wheee |
| 14:57.30 | loufoque | yes, i can see what !next does, I just don't understand its purpose |
| 14:58.08 | loufoque | i've been applying for gsoc for several years and was never taken |
| 14:58.11 | atulagrwl | !next |
| 14:58.12 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 14:58.13 | loufoque | maybe it will change this time |
| 14:58.16 | aghisla | aaaargh |
| 14:58.24 | Erant | !extension |
| 14:58.24 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 14:58.26 | Erant | Maybe that... |
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| 14:58.38 | Erant | how 'bout now. |
| 14:58.52 | aghisla | tea! BCarlyon? |
| 14:58.55 | etele | loufoque: can you show your proposals, |
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| 14:59.04 | aghisla | I have almond biscuits for everyone |
| 14:59.06 | BCarlyon|Server | aghisla, will do. |
| 14:59.10 | BCarlyon|Server | puts the kettle on |
| 14:59.16 | fortyseventeen | holds out for cheese crumpets |
| 14:59.19 | homunq | fortyseventeen: which orgs are you applying? |
| 14:59.22 | mdc_mobile | aghisla: many thanks! |
| 14:59.31 | mdc_mobile | could use a biscuit and tea about now :) |
| 14:59.37 | BCarlyon|Server | Woow 500 people im here, better go buy some tea! /me goes to the #teashop (channel) |
| 14:59.43 | aghisla | lol |
| 14:59.44 | homunq | passes out huaraches de queso doble crema. |
| 14:59.53 | aghisla | homunq: sounds delicious |
| 14:59.54 | fortyseventeen | homunq: plan9 is all I have the time to look at |
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| 15:00.16 | homunq | as close to cheese crumpets as it gets around here. |
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| 15:00.33 | shirish | Is it necesary for active involvment even after submission dates end, I mean involvment at the site of proposal using comments |
| 15:00.38 | BCarlyon|Server | is back from the #teashop chanel (no one joined him in the tea shop :-( ) |
| 15:00.42 | fortyseventeen | takes one with a grumble. |
| 15:01.15 | homunq | chile? |
| 15:01.27 | loufoque | etele: I couldn't find a way to get the proposals I submitted the previous years |
| 15:01.32 | [Evan] | @mentors What would happen if I was found suitable for multiple projects? Would the mentors try to determine which one I put the most effort into and send me to that project, would the project most in need get me, or would I be asked to choose? |
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| 15:01.45 | p_l | second proposal done :) |
| 15:01.47 | BCarlyon|Server | Kettles boiled! |
| 15:01.51 | BCarlyon|Server | brews the tea |
| 15:02.01 | Ivanovic | shirish: you know, the possible mentors will post comments |
| 15:02.02 | aghisla | teeeeea! |
| 15:02.09 | BCarlyon|Server | dances 4 hours to go |
| 15:02.09 | aghisla | thanks BCarlyon|Server |
| 15:02.15 | BCarlyon|Server | Np aghisla |
| 15:02.15 | Ivanovic | shirish: if you do not react in any way, this does not leave a too good impression... |
| 15:02.15 | p_l | still has three proposals (all for plan9) to write |
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| 15:02.25 | BCarlyon|Server | puts BBC6 Music on the #GSoC Radio |
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| 15:02.30 | fortyseventeen | oh dear. |
| 15:02.33 | fortyseventeen | I'm pretty sure you don't get to choose, if more than one org likes you. |
| 15:02.42 | locutus4 | anyone send proposal to jboss ? |
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| 15:03.00 | p_l | fortyseventeen: the plan 9 ones are going to get flamed :> |
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| 15:03.23 | BCarlyon|Server | fortyseventeen, you do sometimes. |
| 15:03.26 | mdc_mobile | http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java |
| 15:03.31 | BCarlyon|Server | fortyseventeen, usually the dont.... |
| 15:03.34 | fortyseventeen | ah. |
| 15:03.42 | BCarlyon|Server | As in I did last year. |
| 15:03.43 | nixbox | I am finished with my proposals, ended up submitting two, really excited about gsoc! |
| 15:04.02 | homunq | worried. Several people have expressed serious interest in projects I like, and have not yet gotten their applications in. Did not know until now that the deadline was more nail-biting for mentors/admins than for students. |
| 15:04.10 | p_l | even the least controversial of them wasn't really nicely seen in 9fans mailing list :/ |
| 15:04.10 | BCarlyon|Server | I did two last year, both got accepted both orgs spoke to each other and decided to ask me. |
| 15:04.16 | BCarlyon|Server | This year done three! |
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| 15:04.45 | nixbox | BCarlyon|Server, so this time three of them will have to negotiate? ;) |
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| 15:05.01 | aghisla | wonders what happens with 20 orgs |
| 15:05.10 | aghisla | tons of emails |
| 15:05.14 | aghisla | haha |
| 15:05.18 | p_l | aghisla: there's a battle royale |
| 15:05.22 | BCarlyon|Server | nixbox, that assumes all three accept me..... |
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| 15:05.35 | aghisla | maybe a card tournament |
| 15:05.39 | aghisla | chess |
| 15:05.39 | BCarlyon|Server | Someone has dropped 5 in according to #GSoC tag on twitter |
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| 15:05.54 | kblin | shrugs |
| 15:05.58 | locutus4 | I've sent 10 |
| 15:06.00 | p_l | and to get 20 accepted you'd probably need to be Knuth Himself |
| 15:06.02 | aghisla | !! |
| 15:06.02 | socinfo | Error: "!" is not a valid command. |
| 15:06.02 | BCarlyon|Server | 10! |
| 15:06.06 | fortyseventeen | what's the average, anyhoo? |
| 15:06.06 | nixbox | BCarlyon|Server, yes it does, hehe, good luck! |
| 15:06.17 | BCarlyon|Server | thanks nixbox you too. |
| 15:06.20 | nixbox | p_l, lol |
| 15:06.25 | locutus4 | I've participated in GSOC 3 times now |
| 15:06.28 | kblin | I think KillerX holds the record of parallel accepted proposals so far |
| 15:06.30 | smtms | p_l, if you start now, you could get >15 accepted next year |
| 15:06.33 | nixbox | p_l, and why would you be Knuth and still try to get into gsoc? |
| 15:06.42 | locutus4 | KillerX how many ? |
| 15:06.43 | BCarlyon|Server | This will be my second. |
| 15:06.48 | p_l | nixbox: it's never too late for another degree? |
| 15:06.55 | lh | homunq: can you find them on IRC to ask them status? |
| 15:06.57 | nixbox | lol |
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| 15:07.09 | prea | LOL, maybe Knuth could apply for a major rewrite of the TeX engine... :) |
| 15:07.10 | kblin | locutus4: 4, I think |
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| 15:07.18 | homunq | lh: no. |
| 15:07.21 | nixbox | prea, lol |
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| 15:07.35 | p_l | prea: that would be hypocrisy, he declared current TeX as bug-free |
| 15:07.38 | mdc_mobile | lh: good morning :) |
| 15:07.51 | Niks | and who wuld be mentor of knuth :p |
| 15:07.51 | locutus4 | !next ? |
| 15:07.52 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 15:07.55 | locutus4 | !next |
| 15:07.56 | Niks | ? |
| 15:07.56 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 15:08.03 | nixbox | p_l, how can you declare something as "bug-free", does such a thing even exist? |
| 15:08.06 | LV-426_ | is there any background process asserting ( accepted_application_count <= 1 ) ? |
| 15:08.10 | flgr | hm, I'm wondering |
| 15:08.21 | homunq | lh: they usually log in to irc between now and a couple hours from now, so I guess I should not worry SO much, but it's still nervewracking. |
| 15:08.23 | p_l | nixbox: yes, you get to do such think sometimes. Needs a lot of clout :) |
| 15:08.27 | flgr | are style="" attributes automatically removed from the proposals? |
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| 15:08.37 | flgr | my justified text formatting won't carry through |
| 15:08.38 | p_l | nixbox: and that's renaming all bugs to "features" :P |
| 15:08.44 | prea | sure is bug free... but also full of idiosybcracies... |
| 15:08.45 | nixbox | lol |
| 15:08.50 | fortyseventeen | on a completely hypothetical note...to have tried and failed is better than never to have tried, right? |
| 15:09.03 | sanooj | I'm not getting any email from the students mailing list anymore. I think it's because email to me bounced for one day last year because it's been quiet since then. |
| 15:09.04 | lh | fortyseventeen: correct! |
| 15:09.10 | kblin | fortyseventeen: sure |
| 15:09.16 | nixbox | fortyseventeen, i totally agree |
| 15:09.19 | aghisla | fortyseventeen: yes! |
| 15:09.24 | fortyseventeen | is happy. |
| 15:09.27 | prea | Niks: perhaps Knuth himself could mentor Knuth (recursing bracesm huh?) |
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| 15:09.44 | prea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.47 | kblin | prea: nah, can't be mentor and student at the same time |
| 15:09.47 | iwikiwi | fortyseventeen, but who measures tried? :p |
| 15:10.21 | sanooj | I'm still subscribed I think since I can read messages using the web interface at groups.google.com, and I can edit my preferences (but doing so has no effect.. still not getting mail from the list.) |
| 15:10.34 | p_l | fortyseventeen: of course :) |
| 15:10.38 | p_l | !doitanyway |
| 15:10.39 | socinfo | "doitanyway" is http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/03/getting-started-in-open-source-you-dont.html |
| 15:10.54 | aghisla | sanooj: maybe mails are filtered somehow |
| 15:10.56 | p_l | finally got to use it again |
| 15:11.30 | locutus4 | lh: extension planned ? |
| 15:11.40 | kblin | !extension |
| 15:11.40 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:11.41 | nixbox | even If i do not get selected, I will still contribute to the open source project i have applied for, just because I know enough about it to feel excited and i really appreciate the kind of work people are doing! |
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| 15:11.53 | kblin | locutus4: ^^^ |
| 15:11.54 | sanooj | aghisla: only from google? all the other mailing lists which didn't like the bounce they got that one one day I've sorted out long ago. |
| 15:12.03 | kblin | hi angie |
| 15:12.06 | maco | How long is an abstract usually? |
| 15:12.19 | kblin | maco: <= 500 chars ;) |
| 15:12.20 | homunq | !askyourorg |
| 15:12.21 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 15:12.25 | mdc_mobile | "So briefly did I dance the ethereal dance of joy -- but the memory of that moment lives, and gives me gladness still." |
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| 15:12.44 | kblin | whoa |
| 15:12.50 | aghisla | sanooj: I understood well, you don't receive emails from the list? |
| 15:13.10 | kblin | the number of WF applications doubled from last year... |
| 15:13.17 | aghisla | neither do I, in these days |
| 15:13.26 | Ivanovic | kblin: WF applications? |
| 15:13.35 | Ivanovic | worldforge? |
| 15:13.40 | kblin | yup |
| 15:13.48 | ojwb | ... so far |
| 15:13.55 | sanooj | aghisla: exactly, no email since last october. looking at the mailing list on the web though shows many many messages. |
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| 15:14.01 | nixbox | i wonder how many applicants would be there this year |
| 15:14.17 | Jo_R | Hi |
| 15:14.18 | bobbens | competition is tougher this year then last imho |
| 15:14.34 | Ivanovic | kblin: wow, how comes such an increase? |
| 15:14.36 | nixbox | bobbens, that is partly because of 1000 positions |
| 15:14.46 | Ivanovic | for us it is probably about the same number (maybe slightly more) |
| 15:14.50 | bobbens | well also the quality from what I've seen |
| 15:14.51 | nixbox | bobbens, and i suppose this year there will be more applicants than the last |
| 15:14.53 | aghisla | sanooj: if they don't get filtered, can't get why you don't receive them... sorry |
| 15:15.02 | Ivanovic | though with by far less "man, you ain't serious, are you?"-applications |
| 15:15.06 | nixbox | bobbens, i have heard the same from the projects that i have applied to |
| 15:15.14 | kblin | Ivanovic: python projects, I assume |
| 15:15.16 | locutus4 | anyone send proposal to jboss ? |
| 15:15.21 | mdc_mobile | Mentoring orgs have great discretion in who they choose and why; If you don't communicate with the orgs you apply to, on IRC or email or being part of their community, it is like applying voltage to one side of a black box and hoping for good output on the other, without know what is inside. |
| 15:15.22 | homunq | ajuonline: get off of this channel and just do your proposal! |
| 15:15.29 | bobbens | well last year I didn't really have competition to what I applied to |
| 15:15.35 | bobbens | this year I probably won't get a project :) |
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| 15:15.41 | ajuonline | homunq: ah yeah :/ i got a comment! |
| 15:15.47 | ajuonline | i hope i am not being flamed :d |
| 15:15.59 | bobbens | it's like all the phd people have come out and into open source with CV that make you weep :) |
| 15:16.14 | nixbox | lol |
| 15:16.17 | monsieurp | !next |
| 15:16.18 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 15:16.18 | macduy | :D |
| 15:16.18 | homunq | ajuonline: that was me. do it please. :) |
| 15:16.32 | Ivanovic | bobbens: to be honest, the CV does not count too much for us |
| 15:16.43 | aghisla | see you all after deadline! |
| 15:16.44 | Jo_R | Do I have to be 18 or older to be interesting in the gsoc 2009? |
| 15:16.45 | Ivanovic | bobbens: for us a "show us some code/patches" matters a while lot more |
| 15:16.48 | aghisla | disappears |
| 15:16.52 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.53 | Ivanovic | Jo_R: yes |
| 15:16.54 | bergwolf | !next |
| 15:16.54 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 15:16.55 | chunmun | !faq |
| 15:16.56 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:17.04 | bobbens | Ivanovic: but these CV have good code and patches... |
| 15:17.12 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.18 | Jo_R | I did |
| 15:17.20 | kblin | they have code and patches in their CVs? |
| 15:17.25 | bobbens | kblin: links :P |
| 15:18.08 | chunmun | Jo_R:http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#age_limits |
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| 15:18.21 | tigreped | Hey guys, how much time left to the applications? |
| 15:18.27 | tigreped | 3 hours or so? |
| 15:18.29 | Ivanovic | tigreped: even less... |
| 15:18.30 | fortyseventeen | resists taking Jo_R's question out of context |
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| 15:18.38 | chunmun | !next |
| 15:18.38 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 15:18.47 | Ivanovic | with other words: not much time at all and: why are you not done yet?!? |
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| 15:19.15 | tigreped | just adding some final touches to the application |
| 15:19.16 | tigreped | :) |
| 15:19.19 | prea | about 13200 seconds left... |
| 15:19.35 | fortyseventeen | because I have no clue what "concrete deliverables" are in terms of a project I've really only started to become familiar with |
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| 15:20.07 | prea | is away: out for a smoke... |
| 15:20.11 | tigreped | prea: cool...that's what I thought: :D~ thanx |
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| 15:21.02 | etele | !orgbylang |
| 15:21.03 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 15:21.23 | vini | hey im submitting my apllication now |
| 15:21.41 | vini | is there any way to copy paste it on the submission page |
| 15:21.50 | homunq | vini: try "/nick vidi" |
| 15:22.07 | homunq | ducks |
| 15:22.10 | vini | or it has to be done through the html source editor page only |
| 15:22.17 | Corsix | the WYSIWYG editor can be copy-pasted into |
| 15:22.39 | Corsix | but then, I drafted my applications in HTML |
| 15:22.52 | homunq | vini: copy/paste should work. On mac, FF does not do it right... depends on platform/software. |
| 15:22.55 | fortyseventeen | I wrote mine in the editor and saved the html offline. *shrug* |
| 15:22.57 | chunmun | Corsix: there is a view source |
| 15:23.05 | homunq | if it doesn't work, try another browser. |
| 15:23.22 | vini | im using mozilla |
| 15:23.30 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.37 | vini | it does not display paaste option |
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| 15:23.45 | alexmaru | !extension |
| 15:23.45 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:23.50 | lh | ctrl +v should work vini |
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| 15:24.00 | Corsix | or equivalent for your platform |
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| 15:24.21 | chunmun | waves to lh :) |
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| 15:24.55 | vini | ya ctrl +v works!! thnx |
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| 15:25.20 | rx861 | hello! tell me please, if it possible to modify project goals/workplan after applying? |
| 15:25.41 | vinc456 | rx861: from my understanding you can add comments |
| 15:25.53 | vinc456 | but no significant changes to the body of the proposal |
| 15:26.07 | Ivanovic | the proposal can only be edited till the deadline in some hours is met |
| 15:26.21 | Ivanovic | afterwards you can "only" leave comments (which can of course get very lenghty) |
| 15:26.31 | vinc456 | snickers |
| 15:26.33 | riot | uh, where do i submit my proposal? |
| 15:26.53 | riot | aah, got it |
| 15:26.57 | Ivanovic | "Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx." |
| 15:26.57 | riot | weird linkage |
| 15:27.34 | mdc_mobile | Channel is at 541 users. Not bad :) |
| 15:27.46 | rx861 | thanks, Ivanovic |
| 15:28.18 | Corsix | !countdown |
| 15:28.19 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 15:28.28 | chunmun | !next |
| 15:28.28 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 15:28.36 | Ivanovic | mdc_mobile: will be at about 700 to 800 when the "real matching" and solving dupes is scheduled |
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| 15:30.03 | riot | do i have to enter all my details again? I did partake at gsoc'08 already |
| 15:30.04 | Ivanovic | is looking forward to seeing the shocked replies by students in some hours asking "what, there was no extension?" |
| 15:30.16 | Ivanovic | riot: you have to, it is a different system |
| 15:30.19 | lh | Ivanovic: i am not. you can handle telling them all no. :) |
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| 15:30.42 | Ivanovic | lh: i already had some fun seeing the amount of people typing !extension today... |
| 15:30.59 | skbohra | !noextension |
| 15:31.00 | socinfo | Error: "noextension" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:31.06 | lh | Ivanovic: you may have a small cruel streak |
| 15:31.10 | lh | !extension |
| 15:31.11 | nerus | !done |
| 15:31.11 | socinfo | Error: "done" is not a valid command. |
| 15:31.12 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:31.21 | nerus | !socinfo |
| 15:31.21 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
| 15:31.21 | kblin | skbohra: !extension handles that already |
| 15:31.22 | Ivanovic | lh: do you think it would be very unfair to link to the wikipedia article about "deadline" and asking them to consider this the next time they see a deadline? |
| 15:31.25 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 15:31.36 | kblin | hehe |
| 15:31.39 | rx861 | !extension |
| 15:31.39 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:31.39 | loufoque | am I the only one to thing the web application for GSoC 2008 was better? |
| 15:31.45 | nerus | Ivanovic: cruel :P |
| 15:31.46 | loufoque | s/thing/think/ |
| 15:31.51 | kblin | Ivanovic: that would be a bit cruel |
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| 15:31.57 | Egis | Ivanovic: that would be a good one :) |
| 15:32.07 | lh | Ivanovic: there are many wp articles on deadlines. which one? |
| 15:32.11 | Corsix | also, the google map widget on the student profile form - is that school location or home location or ? |
| 15:32.13 | schumaml | loufoque: why? |
| 15:32.14 | kblin | loufoque: you haven't seen the admin interface of the old one |
| 15:32.19 | Ivanovic | the normal one on hard deadline |
| 15:32.34 | skbohra | loufoque: probably yes |
| 15:32.38 | homunq | loufoque: but last year, it relied on google's proprietary backend. This year, it's real open source, and has led to other people running GSoC-like programs. |
| 15:32.44 | lh | Corsix: map indicates your contact info address |
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| 15:32.59 | Corsix | lh: then why is it under the education section? |
| 15:33.00 | Ivanovic | okay, afk for a while, time for a tasty bbq |
| 15:33.03 | lh | homunq: they were running them before, now they have infrastructure to use |
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| 15:33.16 | lh | Corsix: page layout is less than optimal? |
| 15:33.18 | kblin | Corsix: if you don't like it, send a patch |
| 15:33.23 | loufoque | schumaml: because it took me ages to understand what to do to apply. |
| 15:33.23 | lh | Ivanovic: have fun |
| 15:33.30 | homunq | ok, s/led to/helped to further encourage/ |
| 15:33.34 | danderson | jeez, is the madness level going to rise again here? |
| 15:33.37 | lh | Ivanovic: i still want to know what wikipedia article on deadlines you are talking about |
| 15:33.41 | lh | danderson: of course it is |
| 15:33.43 | Catfish_Man | danderson: go to sleep for the day, seriously |
| 15:33.48 | Catfish_Man | you will explode |
| 15:33.57 | kblin | danderson: what did you expect |
| 15:34.12 | danderson | kblin: too much, evidently |
| 15:34.14 | kblin | loufoque: there's probably thousands of people who didn't have a problem |
| 15:34.22 | mdc_mobile | Human nature :) |
| 15:34.26 | kblin | loufoque: so it can't be too bad |
| 15:34.29 | nixbox | lol |
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| 15:34.48 | lh | gets on soapbox |
| 15:34.56 | danderson | passes microphone |
| 15:35.01 | lh | folks, the melange developer team needs to create software for approximately 10,000 users |
| 15:35.05 | lh | all of who also write software |
| 15:35.23 | lh | all of whom have opinions on how it should work and how it should work "properly" |
| 15:35.35 | lh | and keep in mind that these is 10K FLOSS devs |
| 15:35.46 | lh | FLOSS folks are blunt and opinionated (making a generalization) |
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| 15:36.02 | lh | so be kind, hug melange, patch melange, and keep those #s in mind |
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| 15:36.23 | lh | there are ~5 people workign on melange, all part time |
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| 15:36.34 | lh | there are 10,000 users registered to use socghop.appspot.com |
| 15:36.36 | lh | that is all |
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| 15:36.43 | BCarlyon|Server | hands lh a green tea |
| 15:36.44 | Corsix | kblin: It would have been silly to submit a patch if it was meant to be for school location in the first place |
| 15:36.48 | lh | enjoys tea |
| 15:36.56 | Corsix | hence the questioning :) |
| 15:37.40 | scorche|sh | <3 |
| 15:37.44 | kblin | Corsix: fair enough |
| 15:37.58 | brlcad | thinks a 5% tax on the number of slots towards melange would be very interesting if there was mentoring/management capacity, to see what it'd look like with that much concentrated mythical man-month manpower allocated |
| 15:38.13 | BCarlyon|Server | lh you should get off the soap box now, please, before you fall...... |
| 15:38.23 | lh | brlcad: i think they feel they could legitimately take 6 kids. i think that's a stretch. |
| 15:38.44 | lh | BCarlyon|Server: off soapbox, enjoying tea |
| 15:38.44 | kblin | wow |
| 15:38.52 | brlcad | heh, 0.6% ;) |
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| 15:39.25 | kblin | brlcad: I wouldn't want to hear the whining about how unfair that was, though |
| 15:39.26 | scorche|sh | wonders if lh has any spare tea in the pot |
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| 15:39.34 | hwked | is it necessary to attach my cv as reference? Most part I have already mentioned in my app. under work experience |
| 15:39.39 | Corsix | assuming GHOP capacity isn't in melange yet, they should take a GHOP student to implement it |
| 15:39.40 | brlcad | cool thing about there being 1000 slots makes the percentage calcs a hell of a lot easier :) |
| 15:39.46 | lh | scorche|sh: BCarlyon|Server made it, i am sure we can make more if we're out |
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| 15:39.58 | kblin | hwked: talk to your org |
| 15:39.58 | lh | Corsix: nothing ready yet for ghop, it's on roadmap |
| 15:40.04 | BCarlyon|Server | hands scorche|sh I cup of tea |
| 15:40.17 | lh | BCarlyon|Server: thank you my dear |
| 15:40.24 | scorche|sh | \o/ |
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| 15:40.26 | SRabbelier | lh: thank you :) |
| 15:40.26 | kblin | hwked: personally I'm more interested in your project-related interest than in your high-school |
| 15:40.27 | brlcad | kblin: so they tell folks that they only allocated 950 slots instead of 1000 ;) |
| 15:40.31 | SRabbelier | lh: it's appreciated :) |
| 15:40.37 | etele | !next |
| 15:40.38 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 15:40.40 | gorkha | can a mentoring organization see my applications to other mentoring organizations ? |
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| 15:40.54 | hwked | kblin: :) |
| 15:40.57 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.07 | ashishrai | !next |
| 15:41.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 15:41.15 | lh | SRabbelier: you're welcome dear. i think it is easy to forget how many folks are making requests and how many are coding in all situations and you all are facing a tough crowd. (in a nice sense, but these are all folks who are very good at what they do and have strong opinions) |
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| 15:41.18 | mdc_mobile | gorkha: let's say I happen to be a mentor for both organizations... then I might :) |
| 15:41.26 | lh | must. find. tea. |
| 15:41.34 | SRabbelier | lh: very true indeed! |
| 15:41.34 | nerus | hugs melange :) |
| 15:41.42 | mdc_mobile | lh: tea is good :) |
| 15:41.51 | kblin | SRabbelier: right.. did I tell you how much you suck already today? ;) |
| 15:41.57 | chunmun | mdc_mobile: but can a person be mentor for two orgs? I mean do the rules allow that? |
| 15:42.04 | mdc_mobile | chunmun: sure |
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| 15:42.14 | nerus | chunmun: hey da !!! |
| 15:42.23 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.25 | gorkha | good.. then we can give the same idea to two organizations and they wont know |
| 15:42.27 | SRabbelier | kblin: I don't think you did, actually; did you forget? |
| 15:42.29 | nerus | u always come up wierd doubts ! |
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| 15:42.33 | nerus | :p |
| 15:42.41 | kblin | SRabbelier: I guess so, a bit busy ;) |
| 15:42.55 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.56 | chunmun | :P |
| 15:42.56 | mdc_mobile | gorkha: While it is unlikely, it is not inconceivable that us mentors talk to each other :) |
| 15:43.10 | SRabbelier | kblin: ah, that'd explain it |
| 15:43.13 | omniter | how many hours left? :D |
| 15:43.19 | BCarlyon|Server | 1 |
| 15:43.23 | etele | omniter: around 3 hours |
| 15:43.24 | nerus | chunmun: hey how else will be people here know abt my opinions :P |
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| 15:43.33 | chunmun | nerus: lolz |
| 15:43.36 | kblin | SRabbelier: anyway. I think no one should even get to complain about melange without having filed a bug |
| 15:43.36 | omniter | yeyeyeeeeee |
| 15:43.42 | chunmun | omniter: 196 mins :P |
| 15:43.43 | gorkha | if a student gets selected in more than one org, does the student choose which one he wants to go for ? |
| 15:43.53 | SRabbelier | kblin: filed a bug? without having _FIXED_ a bug! |
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| 15:44.01 | kblin | SRabbelier: because if it doesn't hurt enough to spend a minute or two on the bug report, it can't be that bad |
| 15:44.03 | nerus | gorkha: isnt there a long time for that ? |
| 15:44.06 | omniter | gorkha, no the orgs do |
| 15:44.06 | chunmun | gorkha: depends.. if the orgs dont settle it within themselves |
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| 15:44.21 | omniter | if the orgs can't decide, then google decides |
| 15:44.22 | chunmun | omniter: Not always |
| 15:44.24 | SRabbelier | kblin: yup, I agree :) |
| 15:44.25 | schumaml | the student can *always* talk to both orgs |
| 15:44.26 | kblin | SRabbelier: you wish. I wouldn't hold an opinion that disallowed _me_ to bitch about melange |
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| 15:44.39 | SRabbelier | kblin: ehehhe :P |
| 15:44.42 | gorkha | thanks ! |
| 15:44.43 | sanooj | does melange support https? |
| 15:44.44 | omniter | yes the orgs may or may not consult the student |
| 15:44.50 | SRabbelier | sanooj: not yet |
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| 15:45.04 | kblin | sanooj: patches welcome ;) |
| 15:45.10 | mdc_mobile | gorkha: typically the student has strong input into the decision of which org they will ultimately work with. |
| 15:45.24 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.25 | kblin | SRabbelier: you need that as a macro in your IRC client, I guess |
| 15:45.33 | chunmun | /s/telling/asking |
| 15:45.33 | vini | whats the trend does gsoc always go for the experienced or newbies do have a chance |
| 15:45.44 | gorkha | i was asked by an org to give my priority for it.. so asked.. anyways bye ! |
| 15:45.53 | loufoque | vini: it's up to the organization to choose |
| 15:45.54 | kblin | vini: how long is a piece of string? |
| 15:46.05 | mdc_mobile | vini: it really depends on the org, the project, the student, and the needed skills |
| 15:46.07 | vini | what? |
| 15:46.09 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.31 | chunmun | vini: its the proposal that should be the *heaviest* :P |
| 15:46.35 | mdc_mobile | vini: the project must fit the student and the mentor :) |
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| 15:46.52 | vini | yup i know that but whats the mindset while choosing a candidate |
| 15:47.06 | chunmun | vini: experience just tells the org that you can do what you propose to do.. :) |
| 15:47.06 | schumaml | vini: this does really depend on the org and the projects |
| 15:47.07 | oxcsnicho | Hey anyone tell me how a decision would be made? Would Google get involved in the decision process or it's just up to the organization? |
| 15:47.17 | chunmun | oxcsnicho:orgs only |
| 15:47.31 | *** part/#gsoc zooko (n=user@nooxie.zooko.com) |
| 15:47.31 | lh | oxcsnicho: we let the orgs decide. we have final say, but we almost never really need to get involved. |
| 15:47.46 | mdc_mobile | ( it is a myth that some orgs just toss applications down the stairs and rank them by how high a step they land on -- I say it on the "Mythbusters" tv show :) ) |
| 15:47.57 | oxcsnicho | chunmun, lh: si.. Thanks :) |
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| 15:48.10 | lh | oxcsnicho: np |
| 15:48.16 | spectie | mdc, lol |
| 15:48.27 | vini | mdc good one |
| 15:48.32 | kblin | mdc_mobile: sssh |
| 15:48.35 | dukeleto | mornin' |
| 15:48.43 | lh | dukeleto: hail |
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| 15:49.00 | oxcsnicho | mdc_mobile: lol.. some courses in my university is adopting similar methods |
| 15:49.01 | sanooj | SRabbelier: is it a limitation of the app engine or the melange app? |
| 15:49.04 | dukeleto | think I stayed up too late last night, but I think I helped some students that needed last minute encouragement last night |
| 15:49.05 | NicDumZ | hehe, as always, so many people around here before deadlines =) |
| 15:49.06 | Catfish_Man | now there's an appropriate nick |
| 15:49.08 | dukeleto | lh: howdy |
| 15:49.08 | zooko | morning, folks! |
| 15:49.13 | mdc_mobile | We had a student who we really liked, but he decided that he really wanted to do another project with another org because his thesis advisor would give him graduate credit for it. |
| 15:49.14 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.16 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol @ "how long is a piece of string" btw :P |
| 15:49.19 | lh | zooko: greets. |
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| 15:49.55 | lh | mdc_mobile: sad for you but good news. there's a lot of questions about whether you can use gsoc for credit out there. there's no formal process since we deal with so many schools |
| 15:50.01 | lh | allman_: all hail allman |
| 15:50.02 | vini | ya kblin i would like to know |
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| 15:50.11 | abhinav17 | !timeline |
| 15:50.11 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:50.12 | mdc_mobile | cat :) |
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| 15:50.21 | lh | 551 nicks |
| 15:50.23 | lh | woot! |
| 15:50.25 | abhinav17 | !extension |
| 15:50.25 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 15:50.35 | kblin | vini: it's impossible to answer that question |
| 15:50.38 | sid0 | lh: are there any newer stats on applications? |
| 15:50.53 | lh | sid0: according to SRabbelier we are now up to 4966 applications |
| 15:50.55 | skbohra | hi abhinav17 |
| 15:50.55 | lh | and we were worried. |
| 15:50.58 | lh | pshaw. |
| 15:50.58 | arunreddy_ | !extension -- rocks |
| 15:50.58 | socinfo | Error: "extension" is not a valid command. |
| 15:50.59 | mdc_mobile | lh: yes, we were really happy for him, even though we thought him to be an excellent candidate. He was sad not to be able to work with us, but we understood. |
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| 15:51.05 | sid0 | lh: =) |
| 15:51.07 | freebsd-brooks | would like to reclaim his nick and wonders if freenode ever actually has staff around |
| 15:51.09 | lh | makes note - we worry every year. then we wonder why. |
| 15:51.20 | sid0 | lh: I don't think we'll break last year's record though |
| 15:51.22 | zooko | Dang. I was told that students would be able to edit their proposals after the deadline, but now I see from the userguide that this is not true, except for the "Abstract" part. Is that right? |
| 15:51.23 | rolly1975 | when do the orgs find out how many slots they have been allocated (if any)>? |
| 15:51.24 | mdc_mobile | we worry because we care :) |
| 15:51.28 | lh | sid0: no i am sure we won't. |
| 15:51.32 | zooko | I have a lot of last-minute student proposals in the pipeline. :-) |
| 15:51.37 | lh | rolly1975: later. like sometime next week later. |
| 15:51.50 | sid0 | lh: well, quality is what really matters |
| 15:51.55 | SRabbelier | sid0: never believe what I say though |
| 15:51.56 | lh | zooko: correct, only abstract editable next week |
| 15:51.59 | lh | sid0: right. |
| 15:52.13 | freebsd-brooks | zooko: you can always have them post elsewhere afterwards, imagine we'll use our wiki for that |
| 15:52.13 | mdc_mobile | We're getting quality applicants, and that's what matters most. Enough for the mentors we have. |
| 15:52.15 | zooko | lh: thanks. |
| 15:52.16 | lh | if what i am hearing is true, i feel for the orgs this year. sounds like a lot of tough decisions will need to be made. |
| 15:52.17 | SRabbelier | it's 4973 already |
| 15:52.23 | lh | SRabbelier: woot! |
| 15:52.26 | chunmun | would ve put in more applications if there were extensions.. :P |
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| 15:52.40 | rolly1975 | i dont think that matters zooko, you can still request more info from the students if required, right> |
| 15:52.42 | rolly1975 | ? |
| 15:52.57 | lh | chunmun: no extensions! |
| 15:53.07 | SRabbelier | 4977 and time for dinner! |
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| 15:53.14 | dukeleto | just about 3 hours now |
| 15:53.16 | lh | SRabbelier: enjoy, nom nom |
| 15:53.28 | SRabbelier | goes nom |
| 15:53.31 | scorche|sh | chunmun: you had 2 weeks... |
| 15:53.37 | NicDumZ | yeah, extensions are soooo unfair =) |
| 15:53.38 | *** part/#gsoc honglianglv (n=Lv_Hongl@58.31.91.65) |
| 15:53.38 | chunmun | lh: I aint complaining :P |
| 15:53.40 | kblin | lh: good luck with the madhouse.. I'm off to do some fencing research with some friends |
| 15:54.05 | lh | created by icez and made of awesome http://www.hawthornlandings.org/2009/04/more-lolcats.html |
| 15:54.06 | mdc_mobile | embraces the madness :) |
| 15:54.10 | chunmun | scorche|sh: I came to know abt one org which was looking for similar app only 3 days back :( |
| 15:54.12 | lh | chunmun: yay |
| 15:54.13 | NicDumZ | likes this GSoC, specially because it shows him how weak he had been last year at some points :) |
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| 15:54.27 | lh | NicDumZ: ah, the sweet learning process |
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| 15:54.34 | lh | kblin: thanks, enjoy the fencing |
| 15:54.39 | skbohra | supports no extensions, deadlines are deadlines |
| 15:54.42 | chunmun | scorche|sh: And I didn't want to put in a sloppy app :) |
| 15:54.57 | NicDumZ | repeating things sometimes improve your skills... sometimes. |
| 15:54.59 | *** part/#gsoc loufoque (n=loufoque@tal33-5-88-181-17-51.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:54.59 | kblin | lh: it's fencing research... as in watching a lot of crappy pirate movies ;) |
| 15:55.16 | maco | looks at gnome's template |
| 15:55.18 | lh | kblin: that is also totally awesome |
| 15:55.19 | mdc_mobile | kblin: I look forward to your movie reviews :) |
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| 15:55.24 | maco | "Why you'd like to complete this particular project?" <-- not a sentence |
| 15:55.24 | DrJoel | lh: is there a public Google GSOC calendar I can subscribe to or do I just import the ical file |
| 15:55.25 | lh | all hail errol flynn |
| 15:55.31 | rolly1975 | i had 8 proposals which i have knocked down to 3 - I expect to spend the next 10 days or so asking them for further supporting info |
| 15:55.35 | mdc_mobile | Hail errol! |
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| 15:55.48 | lh | DrJoel: please to import i cal file or you can, iirc, subscribe to the program calendar via rss |
| 15:55.55 | mdc_mobile | More data is generally better :) |
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| 15:56.10 | lh | maco: you can point that out in your application. :) |
| 15:56.16 | kblin | mdc_mobile: I'd really like to see the old zorro movie with Tyrone Power once of these days |
| 15:56.31 | lh | kblin: this could be arranged for the summit |
| 15:56.32 | DrJoel | lh: which is better for use with the G1. The ical imported nicely but won't get updates unless I reload it |
| 15:56.39 | gorkha | i'm waiting for "555" |
| 15:56.48 | lh | we could have one room with pirate movies, one room with ninja movies, then have a pirates vs. ninjas rumble in the pool |
| 15:56.56 | kblin | mdc_mobile: Basil Rathbone, the bad guy in many of these old movies is quite the fencer |
| 15:57.04 | kblin | lh: sold |
| 15:57.13 | ArthurLiu | hi people! |
| 15:57.16 | lh | DrJoel: interesting. iam honestly not sold on the calendaring features of the g1 |
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| 15:57.54 | mdc_mobile | kblin: warthog9 has "bad movie night" where he show really bad "B grade movies". He has an excellent collection :) |
| 15:58.00 | lh | freebsd-brooks: have you tried to ping christel? |
| 15:58.06 | mdc_mobile | They're so bad they are hilarious :) |
| 15:58.10 | koopersmith | !timeline |
| 15:58.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:58.23 | lh | mdc_mobile: i think i may have been invited to this. i am a huge fan of the bad flick. |
| 15:58.31 | DrJoel | lh: :) I see one feature missing already from my Palm. On the Palm, events could be all day or no time. When you said all day, it blocked the day in the calendar.. all day in Google Calendar is "no time" in the Palm.. nit but I used it. LOL |
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| 15:59.03 | kblin | mdc_mobile: hmm, there's a couple of Uwe Boll movies on my "watch this on a slow night" list |
| 15:59.15 | mdc_mobile | lh: I'll be in SF next week for LFCS, so maybe we can have one next friday night :) I'll ask John. |
| 15:59.49 | lh | DrJoel: i dont like that feature in calendar either. makes it easy to miss that you will be out of town that day. |
| 15:59.54 | chunmun | !slots |
| 15:59.54 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 15:59.55 | mdc_mobile | lh: here's one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0311361/ |
| 15:59.59 | mdc_mobile | A classic :) |
| 16:00.00 | lh | mdc_mobile: sounds awesome. will be good to see you. |
| 16:00.11 | lh | mdcoh awesome. |
| 16:00.16 | lh | erm |
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| 16:00.21 | lh | mdc_mobile: oh awesome!! |
| 16:00.32 | kumarabhi | can we modify our app after the deadline? |
| 16:00.35 | mdc_mobile | lh: would enjoy seeing you as well :) |
| 16:00.40 | lh | we must watch the gamers: dorkness rising |
| 16:00.45 | omniter | kumarabhi, no |
| 16:00.48 | omniter | but you can post comments |
| 16:00.54 | danderson | woohooo, TGIF! |
| 16:01.06 | danderson | drinks his well deserved beer and settles in for a 4-day weekend |
| 16:01.14 | lh | danderson: enjoy! :) |
| 16:01.17 | typ0 | sorry |
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| 16:01.24 | typ0 | how much time until the deadline ? |
| 16:01.24 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: I had a guiness at work |
| 16:01.32 | omniter | typ0, like 1 hour |
| 16:01.35 | lh | typ0: like three hours |
| 16:01.42 | danderson | MatthewWilkes: you bastard, we don't get guinness here :( |
| 16:01.44 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: Needed it. If anyone knows freebsd, you'll know what deleting /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 does |
| 16:01.52 | codestasher | 2and a half hour to be exact :) |
| 16:01.53 | danderson | hahaha. |
| 16:01.56 | danderson | MatthewWilkes: phail. |
| 16:01.58 | NicDumZ | only 59 minutes left hurrrrrrrrrrry up. |
| 16:02.12 | mdc_mobile | "... it's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses ... |
| 16:02.13 | mdc_mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.17 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: blame evilbungle - he's on freenode, feel free to insult him in pm ;) |
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| 16:02.42 | omniter_ | what... the... hell... |
| 16:02.51 | mdc_mobile | 2 hrs. 57 mins. |
| 16:02.59 | lh | mdc_mobile: 4 fried chickens and a coke. |
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| 16:03.28 | mdc_mobile | lh: ( and toast ) |
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| 16:03.55 | lh | mdc_mobile: ahh toast. |
| 16:03.58 | lh | wants some toast |
| 16:03.58 | mdc_mobile | But I always liked the "Curl up and Dye" hair salon :) |
| 16:04.07 | mdc_mobile | Carrie Fisher was awesome :) |
| 16:04.08 | homunq | makes toast |
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| 16:04.14 | mdc_mobile | "Oh Jake..." |
| 16:04.23 | MatthewWilkes | mdc_mobile: There's a green grocer's near my parents' called "Melon Caulie" |
| 16:04.23 | mdc_mobile | **splot** |
| 16:04.33 | mdc_mobile | MatthewWilkes: that rules! |
| 16:04.34 | summatusmentis | what? |
| 16:04.40 | summatusmentis | oh, not me |
| 16:04.57 | homunq|afk | somebody get the toast when it's ready, OK? I have to go. |
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| 16:05.26 | chunmun | passes on the toast to lh :) |
| 16:05.56 | NicDumZ | I was more like "... We had two bags of ... seventy-five pellets of ... [...] Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get into locked a serious .... collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. ..." |
| 16:05.57 | lh | chunmun: thankin ye |
| 16:06.00 | dukeleto | burns some toast |
| 16:06.02 | lh | homunq|afk: thank you too |
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| 16:06.29 | lh | NicDumZ: what on earth is that a quote from? |
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| 16:06.45 | dukeleto | lh; fear and loathing |
| 16:06.51 | NicDumZ | obviously, some words are missing, but come onnn :p |
| 16:06.55 | lh | dukeleto: i knew that was familiar |
| 16:07.18 | mdc_mobile | "poured beer on my chest to facilitate the tanning process..." |
| 16:07.19 | dukeleto | dukeleto: a great book, which has illustrations, as well. Highly recommended |
| 16:07.24 | NicDumZ | no points in mentioning those bats. |
| 16:07.27 | mdc_mobile | priceless :) |
| 16:07.34 | dukeleto | wonders why he is responding to himself |
| 16:07.38 | ArthurLiu | is socghop.appspot.com stuttering under heavy load or is it just my crappy 3G uplink ? |
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| 16:07.48 | dukeleto | oh yeah, I am pre-first-coffee |
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| 16:07.59 | mdc_mobile | ArthurLiu: a little of both? :) |
| 16:08.02 | MattJ | +1 nicks :) |
| 16:08.04 | NicDumZ | oh well appspot is not scalable, or is it ? =) |
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| 16:08.14 | mdc_mobile | This is why I tell people "don't wait until the last moment" |
| 16:08.18 | dukeleto | ArthurLin: the app has been a bit sluggish this morning. I wonder why.... |
| 16:08.46 | mdc_mobile | Your universe of choices will likely be greatly constrained, and your ability to find alternatives greatly diminished :) |
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| 16:08.51 | prea | !nest |
| 16:08.51 | socinfo | Error: "nest" is not a valid command. |
| 16:08.55 | prea | !next |
| 16:08.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:08.56 | mdc_mobile | But the world is full of adrenaline junkies :) |
| 16:08.57 | lh | dukeleto: lots of you are using it i suspect |
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| 16:09.08 | fortyseventeen | all right, that'll have to be good enough. 3 hours for feedback. |
| 16:09.11 | caden | !countdown |
| 16:09.11 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 16:09.17 | chunmun | !next |
| 16:09.17 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:09.17 | geoaxis | lolz |
| 16:09.21 | lh | clearly needs a second coffee |
| 16:09.32 | dukeleto | gets lh a vat of coffee |
| 16:09.33 | mdc_mobile | sends some love to the Melange folks :) |
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| 16:09.44 | lh | dukeleto: thanks |
| 16:09.45 | geoaxis | offers lh a redbull |
| 16:09.48 | lh | mdc_mobile: thanks |
| 16:09.49 | scorche|sh | dukeleto: a keg of coffee! |
| 16:09.51 | dukeleto | lh: only the best |
| 16:09.53 | lh | geoaxis: you can keep it but thank you. |
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| 16:09.58 | mdc_mobile | lh: just go intravenous -- it's such a timesaver :) |
| 16:09.59 | lh | dukeleto: exactly. :) |
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| 16:10.14 | lh | mdc_mobile: then you have to lug the darn apparatus up and down the stairs |
| 16:10.15 | neo71 | lh: it's an energy drink |
| 16:10.22 | geoaxis | redbull is more effective, it does more damage than coffee ever could |
| 16:10.25 | zooko | I can't find a proposal on the GSoC app site that a student tells me he has submitted. Is there a "search" feature among proposals? |
| 16:10.27 | mdc_mobile | lh: point taken :) |
| 16:10.47 | neo71 | lh: you can have it, but its taste sucks. ;) |
| 16:10.57 | harsha | hello.. is there any chance the deadline is being etended? |
| 16:10.58 | mdc_mobile | All hail Melange! |
| 16:11.14 | neo71 | hail melange! |
| 16:11.14 | scorche|sh | lh: the last tweet speaks the truth |
| 16:11.17 | PDani | !extension |
| 16:11.17 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 16:11.22 | lh | neo71: i dont recognize that quote |
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| 16:11.30 | lh | scorche|sh: i know. every year. every year. |
| 16:11.38 | scorche|sh | cant believe he just used the word "tweet" in that conte |
| 16:11.40 | scorche|sh | xt |
| 16:11.43 | lh | where are the apps? omg no one is applying. crap crap crap crap. |
| 16:11.43 | neo71 | lh: I designed it. |
| 16:11.55 | lh | then, tons of apps within the last 25 hrs |
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| 16:11.59 | lh | er 24 hrs |
| 16:12.03 | ArthurLiu | zooko, have him give you the full URL, you should be able to extrapolate yours from it |
| 16:12.15 | fortyseventeen | hey, I have an excuse, lh. |
| 16:12.18 | NicDumZ | !countdown is http://tinyurl.com/student-app-deadline |
| 16:12.19 | zooko | ArthurLiu: thanks!@ |
| 16:12.19 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 16:12.20 | neo71 | lh where ? |
| 16:12.22 | scorche|sh | lh: i wish it werent so =/ |
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| 16:12.39 | neo71 | lh: no one applying for melange? |
| 16:12.48 | dukeleto | lh: yeah, we saw about 25% of our apps come in the last 24 hours. Hoping there is a few more stragglers |
| 16:12.49 | scorche|sh | !next |
| 16:12.49 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:12.55 | scorche|sh | NicDumZ: ^^ |
| 16:12.59 | lh | neo71: no in general |
| 16:13.02 | lh | scorche|sh: why not? |
| 16:13.06 | neo71 | ok.. |
| 16:13.11 | NicDumZ | im so not original :) |
| 16:13.13 | lh | dukeleto: procrastination is the mother of invention |
| 16:13.21 | neo71 | lh: can the deadline be extended? :P |
| 16:13.27 | Corsix | why procrastinate when you could be writing proposals? |
| 16:13.28 | z3r0 | is stranggling :D |
| 16:13.31 | caden | 10,000 seconds to the deadline! |
| 16:13.39 | neo71 | !deadline |
| 16:13.39 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 16:13.43 | lh | neo71: no. |
| 16:13.44 | ArthurLiu | we received a few "empty" proposals these last 24 hours |
| 16:13.47 | chunmun | !extension |
| 16:13.47 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 16:13.48 | neo71 | !timeline |
| 16:13.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:13.53 | ArthurLiu | and a duplicate empty proposals, right now :) |
| 16:13.59 | zooko | ArthurLiu: http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/list_self/google/gsoc2009/vinc |
| 16:14.03 | zooko | Access to this page has been restricted. |
| 16:14.05 | scorche|sh | lh: so they could be talking to us for weeks about their proposal instead of dumping an app on us =/ |
| 16:14.05 | zooko | ^-- it says |
| 16:14.12 | neo71 | lh: okies, you are very cute. |
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| 16:14.38 | neo71 | :) |
| 16:14.38 | lh | scorche|sh: that's very fair. |
| 16:14.43 | lh | neo71: pardon? |
| 16:14.59 | ArthurLiu | zooko, should look like: http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/review/google/gsoc2009/#student's_linkid#/t#big_number# |
| 16:15.01 | neo71 | lh: I saw you on flickr. |
| 16:15.10 | SRabbelier | We have 5038 student applications now :D WOOOH |
| 16:15.15 | SRabbelier | goes have desert |
| 16:15.18 | neo71 | :) |
| 16:15.26 | caden | o_O |
| 16:15.30 | lut4rp | that's quite less than last year. |
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| 16:15.41 | lh | neo71: thank you for the compliment. however, please note that such comments are usually considered inappropriate. |
| 16:15.45 | z3r0 | thought there were 7000 last year |
| 16:15.48 | mmadia | SRabbelier : is that in total for all orgs? |
| 16:15.53 | z3r0 | lol lh |
| 16:15.57 | caden | dances for improved chances |
| 16:16.05 | lh | z3r0: there were. the 1500 or so we got post extension were pretty much universaly crap too |
| 16:16.08 | z3r0 | trying to get an extension gone horribly wrong |
| 16:16.16 | aoszkar | !next |
| 16:16.16 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:16.17 | Niks | !next |
| 16:16.18 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 16:16.25 | neo71 | lh: I know the rules but I couldn't resist myself, you're Most Welcome |
| 16:16.38 | Mathiasdm | ooh, I'll put that on my resume: submitted 0.04% of GSoC proposals in 2009 ^^ |
| 16:16.42 | lh | neo71: i think you should try harder. |
| 16:16.51 | chunmun | Mathiasdm:lolz |
| 16:16.52 | z3r0 | thinks someone will be banned from the room right about NOW |
| 16:16.53 | gberdyshev | lol |
| 16:17.04 | scorche|sh | z3r0: ? |
| 16:17.05 | NicDumZ | hehe. |
| 16:17.08 | zooko | Due to organizational problems I gave my students less than 48 hours notice about the whole project. |
| 16:17.20 | neo71 | z3r0: I hope its not me |
| 16:17.23 | neo71 | ?? |
| 16:17.24 | zooko | So they fact that they are getting proposals in at *all* is pretty impressive to me. ;-) |
| 16:17.27 | z3r0 | :P |
| 16:17.29 | chunmun | Mathiasdm: will be better to say successful participant @ gsoc 2009 :) |
| 16:17.37 | MatthewWilkes | zooko: They didn't see any of google's announcements or join the announce list? |
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| 16:17.44 | mmadia | is reminded of : http://xkcd.com/322/ , after reading neo71's comment. |
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| 16:17.51 | Mathiasdm | I know, but that's a bit less likely ;) I'd have to get accepted for that first :) |
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| 16:18.03 | caden | wonders how people can memorize xkcd cartoons by number |
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| 16:18.08 | NicDumZ | wow, 48 hours. |
| 16:18.15 | MatthewWilkes | caden: 322 is needed a LOT |
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| 16:18.25 | MatthewWilkes | Too much :( |
| 16:18.28 | zooko | Yeah, I'm afraid a lot of their proposals are going to be a bit thin, through no fault of their own. |
| 16:18.32 | Catfish_Man | mmadia: I've got the ion cannon currently, but I tend to go easy on the trigger unless it's really needed |
| 16:18.46 | zooko | MatthewWilkes: we thought that our project was excluded from GSoC until yesterday. |
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| 16:18.52 | caden | MatthewWilkes: this makes me sad |
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| 16:18.54 | zooko | So, we're just going to do our best. :-) |
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| 16:18.57 | scorche|sh | pats Catfish_Man on the back |
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| 16:19.27 | chunmun | 567 and counting :) |
| 16:19.30 | Catfish_Man | notes the *ominous hum* and looks meaningfully at scorche ;) |
| 16:19.30 | mercurysquad | !next |
| 16:19.31 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:19.56 | mercurysquad | damn. i'm finally done. |
| 16:20.04 | zooko | ArthurLiu: my student gave me his proposal. http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2009/vinc/t123869592570 |
| 16:20.06 | mercurysquad | goodluck to us |
| 16:20.09 | chunmun | cheers mercurysquad |
| 16:20.16 | zooko | For some reason it is not in the right org, and I can't offer to mentor it. |
| 16:20.23 | scorche|sh | wonder which meaning this lookfull of meaning has |
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| 16:20.30 | zooko | Could you tell me how to file it into the Python Software Foundation org? |
| 16:20.31 | literal | zooko: which org got in only 48 hours before the deadline? |
| 16:20.54 | MatthewWilkes | zooko: You're from PSF? |
| 16:21.01 | zooko | It wasn't an org, my project is a sub-org under and umbrella org, and there was much confusion. |
| 16:21.06 | zooko | MatthewWilkes: yes. |
| 16:21.07 | literal | ah |
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| 16:21.34 | MatthewWilkes | zooko: :( Hope you've got some good ones in, the python-dev discussions seemed good |
| 16:21.36 | zooko | The student (vinc456 on #tahoe) is going to re-submit his proposal. |
| 16:21.39 | SRabbelier | 5051 apps :D |
| 16:21.49 | spsneo | SRabbelier: gawd! |
| 16:21.53 | MatthewWilkes | zooko: You coming to europython, by any chance? |
| 16:21.57 | zooko | Okay, now if I could only find that cool FUSE plugin proposal that I saw in my inbox. |
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| 16:22.02 | ajuonline | bribes SRabbelier |
| 16:22.04 | murph | will random people be able to view the apps, or just students/mentors? |
| 16:22.06 | zooko | MatthewWilkes: when is it? I doubt that I will make it, but I can always hope. |
| 16:22.14 | mercurysquad | 5051 apps overall? that's less than last year's 7200 |
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| 16:22.18 | dvcoolster | has the time finished |
| 16:22.25 | spsneo | also bribes SRabbelier ;) |
| 16:22.32 | literal | murph: just mentors |
| 16:22.33 | MatthewWilkes | zooko: End of june. It's a few miles from my parents' house so I'm going |
| 16:22.40 | dvcoolster | has the time for submission ended for gsoc |
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| 16:22.48 | spsneo | mercurysquad: thre are less number of orgs this year |
| 16:22.52 | literal | dvcoolster: 2 and a half hours left |
| 16:23.03 | chunmun | sends non-bribe-able cops afte spsneo and ajuonline :P |
| 16:23.03 | MatthewWilkes | spsneo: = "fewer orgs" |
| 16:23.07 | mercurysquad | i see |
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| 16:23.21 | NicDumZ | SRabbelier, any chance to get later a nice graph of d#nbapp / dt ? :p |
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| 16:23.30 | pluto | anybody for ncsa? |
| 16:23.34 | dvcoolster | how many students will get selected this year |
| 16:23.36 | chunmun | murph: selected apps' abstract are public |
| 16:23.40 | mercurysquad | ~1000 |
| 16:23.40 | lh | dvcoolster: 1000 |
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| 16:23.43 | zooko | Is it kosher for mentors (like me) to edit a student's app directly? |
| 16:23.46 | spsneo | dvcoolster: around 1000 |
| 16:23.50 | dvcoolster | k |
| 16:23.52 | dvcoolster | thankz |
| 16:24.14 | pluto | anybody here going for ncsa? |
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| 16:24.40 | punchagan | !next |
| 16:24.41 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:24.41 | ajuonline | !anyone |
| 16:24.42 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 16:24.47 | ajuonline | pluto: ^ |
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| 16:25.24 | DrJoel | zooko.. i hope so.. we asked for them in Google Docs for early drafts when there was time and I fixed some grammar and spelling errors and added comments inline.. it was a very effective way to iterate |
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| 16:26.38 | zooko | DrJoel: sure, that makes sense. There is no function for proposals which are already in the GSoC site to be edited by anyone other than their submitter though, AFAICT. |
| 16:27.05 | ArthurLiu_ | zooko, you can't AFAIK |
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| 16:28.23 | BCarlyon|Server | is panicing for no reason |
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| 16:28.38 | chunmun | pacifies BCarlyon|Server |
| 16:28.54 | chunmun | passes on some cookies to room |
| 16:28.55 | lh | hands BCarlyon|Server mint tea and a lolly |
| 16:29.01 | lh | chunmun: awesome thank you |
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| 16:29.13 | Shannon90 | !next |
| 16:29.13 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:29.15 | chunmun | lh: you are welcome :) |
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| 16:29.26 | lh | makes tea, coffee for channel, also some cucumber sandwiches, cookies a cheese platter and some fresh fruit |
| 16:29.35 | lh | healthy food is better for panicking anyway |
| 16:29.37 | spsneo | thanks ls |
| 16:29.43 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Cucumber sandwiches? How civilised! |
| 16:29.46 | lh | thanks ls -a |
| 16:29.47 | ArthurLiu | !countdown |
| 16:29.47 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 16:29.47 | MatthewWilkes | unpacks the gin |
| 16:30.00 | chunmun | !next |
| 16:30.00 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:30.09 | lh | MatthewWilkes: Catfish_Man enjoys them |
| 16:30.13 | lh | civilized is also good |
| 16:30.15 | Catfish_Man | it is true |
| 16:30.27 | Catfish_Man | afternoon tea with cucumber sandwiches and cookies is an excellent custom |
| 16:30.46 | zooko | Folks: my students have 5 proposals in, so far, but one of them is different from the others -- there is no "I am willing to mentor this student" button, and it doesnt' appear in the PSF's list of proposals. |
| 16:30.56 | zooko | I asked the student to resubmit it, and he did, and it seems to be in the same state. |
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| 16:31.10 | p_l | yuck, no cucumber sandwiches ;-) |
| 16:31.12 | lh | zooko: report in #melange |
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| 16:31.24 | spsneo | lh: what was the least number of slots allotted to any org last year? |
| 16:31.25 | BCarlyon|Server | YAY LOLLY! |
| 16:31.27 | BCarlyon|Server | sucks |
| 16:31.32 | mixrin | else 1 submitted proposal... :> |
| 16:31.32 | lh | spsneo: 1 |
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| 16:31.40 | p_l | now, salami, bacon, ham, chicken, turkey, butter and some spices... |
| 16:31.48 | spsneo | lh: do you remember which org was it? |
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| 16:32.09 | juanmacuevas | I guess its impossible to find any project available just 2,5 hours before the deadline.... |
| 16:32.25 | lh | spsneo: it was more than one, dont recall exactly which ones |
| 16:32.36 | zooko | lh: thanks. |
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| 16:32.42 | spsneo | lh: ohk |
| 16:32.54 | lh | zooko: np |
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| 16:33.02 | lh | spsneo: there's a stats page |
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| 16:33.06 | zooko | lh, et al.: found it. My mistake. |
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| 16:33.12 | lh | !wiki |
| 16:33.13 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 16:33.20 | zooko | I didn't understand that the "next page" was another page and not the thing that cam e further down this page. |
| 16:33.22 | monsieurp | how many time until the end ? |
| 16:33.28 | monsieurp | half an hour, isn't it ? |
| 16:33.32 | lh | spsneo: this should help you |
| 16:33.39 | spsneo | lh: thanks |
| 16:33.47 | devilsadvocate | monsieurp, 2.5 hours :\ |
| 16:33.49 | lh | spsneo: statistics page, there's a blog post linked from it |
| 16:33.51 | literal | SRabbelier: how many applicants have submitted applications? |
| 16:33.57 | monsieurp | hooo |
| 16:33.59 | monsieurp | great :) |
| 16:34.04 | sfb | lh: Can you give me an estimate when I could expect some feedback regarding my organization application? |
| 16:34.05 | lh | literal: dont bug the devs, they have stuff to do |
| 16:34.21 | lh | sfb: i am so sorry i have not gotten back to you. really sorry. |
| 16:34.22 | sfb | lh: I'm not trying to pressure you or anything, I just need to know not to bother you for X days/weeks/months. 9= |
| 16:34.26 | sfb | (= |
| 16:34.34 | lh | sfb: remind me the org please |
| 16:34.39 | sfb | NeL |
| 16:34.46 | lh | sfb: let's take care of this now |
| 16:35.25 | sfb | Sure, I have a few minutes... |
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| 16:35.47 | MaddyMax | !timeline |
| 16:35.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:36.10 | mmadia | literal : <S-no-nickname-trigger-Rabbelier> We have 5038 student applications now :D WOOOH |
| 16:36.34 | mmadia | wonders if that's a "WOOOH" for BeOS history :) |
| 16:37.34 | literal | mmadia: yeah I know, and he later gave an update that it was up to 5038. I was just wondering about the number of *applicants*, as one applicant can have many applications |
| 16:37.34 | literal | up to 5051 even |
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| 16:37.59 | mmadia | aah. i didn't consider that difference, literal. |
| 16:38.00 | SirMatthew | Anyone here with BZFlag?? I need their IRC channel if they have one. I can't seem to find it on their Wiki |
| 16:38.10 | mixrin | literal, 5038 students or proposals? |
| 16:38.33 | literal | proposals (applications) is what he said |
| 16:38.47 | literal | I was wondering about students :) |
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| 16:39.07 | Saturn | SirMatthew: did you try #bzflag :) |
| 16:40.07 | abhinav17 | !next |
| 16:40.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:40.24 | SirMatthew | lol... no, but I guess I should huh... haha. |
| 16:40.40 | Saturn | ;) |
| 16:40.43 | monsieurp | lh: can you see how many students have applied this year ? |
| 16:40.55 | SirMatthew | Saturn, WELL what do ya know? That was it, haha. Thanks. |
| 16:41.04 | Saturn | no prob :) |
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| 16:41.57 | desrt | party time |
| 16:42.14 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Just had an email from a student asking if we'd like to review a draft of an app sometime in the next few hours - awesome, huh? ;) |
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| 16:42.35 | lh | desrt: all hail |
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| 16:42.46 | desrt | lh: having fun yet? :) |
| 16:42.49 | lh | MatthewWilkes: tell them we will review it during the review period do not be such a slacker |
| 16:42.52 | lh | desrt: indeed! |
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| 16:44.00 | desrt | any major disasters yet? |
| 16:44.00 | BCarlyon|Server | !lh |
| 16:44.00 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 16:44.00 | BCarlyon|Server | Boo its been changed! |
| 16:44.00 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I'm not sure where the line between procrastination and perfectionism lies with our lot |
| 16:44.00 | desrt | ohhh |
| 16:44.02 | desrt | i always wondered who this lh was |
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| 16:44.10 | vikas | hi how can i know how many students have applied to a particular organisation and how can i see those proposals? |
| 16:44.11 | caden | what did it used to say BCarlyon |
| 16:44.23 | desrt | vikas: you become a mentor for that organisation |
| 16:44.25 | BCarlyon|Server | Many nice things about lh |
| 16:44.30 | caden | :) |
| 16:44.32 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: the line lies directly over the top of me |
| 16:44.44 | lh | MatthewWilkes: it's probably the same line |
| 16:44.53 | koopersmith | !next |
| 16:44.54 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:45.01 | lh | desrt: i am a figment of your imaginations |
| 16:45.02 | vikas | BCarlyonServer: so anyone can become a mentor |
| 16:45.15 | desrt | lh: i had a pall mall :( |
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| 16:45.55 | mercurysquad | well someone from the org i applied to is reviewing my draft proposal right NOW and gonna give suggestions :P it's still not too late heh heh |
| 16:46.02 | lut4rp | !lh |
| 16:46.03 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 16:46.14 | devvrat | !extension |
| 16:46.14 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 16:46.16 | devvrat | :( |
| 16:46.23 | summatusmentis | seriously dude? |
| 16:46.27 | summatusmentis | you've had two weeks |
| 16:46.38 | SRabbelier | 5120 applications |
| 16:46.42 | lut4rp | too much procrastination. |
| 16:46.53 | caden | i want to see the submissions vs time left graph |
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| 16:46.58 | caden | with the big spike at the end |
| 16:47.02 | Corsix | :D |
| 16:47.04 | SRabbelier | 3106 different students applied |
| 16:47.12 | SRabbelier | caden: We can do that |
| 16:47.14 | literal | thanks for the info |
| 16:47.23 | SRabbelier | caden: as we have registered when students applied |
| 16:47.33 | lut4rp | SRabbelier, do a query on the average word count of the applications received in the past 24 hours, compared to those before them :) |
| 16:47.33 | summatusmentis | to hit last years numbers, we need 1000/hour new apps |
| 16:47.36 | devvrat | thanks SRabbelier for the stats |
| 16:47.44 | caden | nice thank you SRabbelier |
| 16:47.50 | lh | ok we have more than 5K apps now |
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| 16:47.55 | SRabbelier | devvrat: np |
| 16:47.56 | lh | i am going to relax |
| 16:48.10 | desrt | lh: you actually expect people to submit some time before the last 3 hours? |
| 16:48.11 | vikas | SRabbelier: can you tell me how many students applied to Apache Software Foundation |
| 16:48.15 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: haha, too much obther :P |
| 16:48.18 | SRabbelier | lh: can I ? |
| 16:48.21 | juanmacuevas | Any tips to apply for someone who knew about gsoc just few hour ago? (try next year! isn't valid) lol! |
| 16:48.28 | lh | desrt: they seem to do it within the last 24 hours |
| 16:48.33 | lh | SRabbelier: can you what dear? |
| 16:48.36 | desrt | juanmacuevas: you're more or less screwed, i think :) |
| 16:48.36 | SRabbelier | lh: isn't that something orgs might not want to let out? |
| 16:48.47 | SRabbelier | lh: vikas asked for ASF's count |
| 16:48.49 | summatusmentis | juanmacuevas: pay more attention? :-P write as fast as you can, and try and make it good |
| 16:49.00 | lh | SRabbelier: no that's inappropriate |
| 16:49.08 | SRabbelier | lh: right, that's what I figured |
| 16:49.10 | Niks | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.11 | mercurysquad | juanmacuevas: my friend is actually drafting his proposal now as we speak, and he started today. so go ahead dude see what you can make in 1 hour :) |
| 16:49.13 | lh | large scale stats only folks. if you want to know what an org got, go ask them. |
| 16:49.16 | lh | SRabbelier: quite right. |
| 16:49.29 | juanmacuevas | desrt: c'mon, it should be some mentor out there without a good student proposal... |
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| 16:49.45 | summatusmentis | mercurysquad: you've got more than an hour right? 19:00 UTC? |
| 16:49.45 | vikas | can you tell me how many students applied to Apache Software Foundation plzzz |
| 16:49.47 | desrt | juanmacuevas: if you have an idea for what you want to do then propose it |
| 16:49.53 | mercurysquad | SRabbelier: any stats on how many from a geographical region applied (e.g. India) |
| 16:49.53 | etele | wow 5200 apps isn't to much. |
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| 16:50.01 | SRabbelier | vikas: read leslie's response, the answer is no |
| 16:50.06 | desrt | vikas: ask someone at apache? |
| 16:50.12 | Niks | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.13 | lut4rp | mercurysquad, all those stats will come later. |
| 16:50.14 | desrt | vikas: either they'll tell you or they don't want you to know? |
| 16:50.15 | Niks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:50.22 | SRabbelier | mercurysquad: uhm... that'd be a little more troublesome to gather; we'll do that after the deadline though |
| 16:50.27 | lut4rp | mercurysquad, they came in last year as well. |
| 16:50.28 | mercurysquad | summatusmentis: about 2 hours, yes. but i'm done :D |
| 16:50.29 | literal | Niks: upload it to imageshack.us and point to it, for example |
| 16:50.29 | vikas | k thanks |
| 16:50.33 | mercurysquad | SRabbelier: thanks :) |
| 16:50.34 | summatusmentis | Niks: repeating yourself isn't helpful :) |
| 16:50.40 | SRabbelier | Niks: you can't |
| 16:50.42 | Niks | hehehe |
| 16:50.51 | SRabbelier | Niks: what literal said is possible though |
| 16:50.53 | desrt | Niks: try uploading it to some site... |
| 16:51.03 | desrt | ya. |
| 16:51.05 | desrt | that :) |
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| 16:51.07 | Niks | google docs |
| 16:51.09 | Niks | rocks |
| 16:51.16 | desrt | no. don't use google docs |
| 16:51.18 | SRabbelier | 2 hours left btw :) |
| 16:51.21 | SRabbelier | someone said 1h earlier |
| 16:51.22 | desrt | i hear it sucks a lot :) |
| 16:51.27 | lut4rp | 2 hours 10 minutes! |
| 16:51.29 | lut4rp | :P |
| 16:51.30 | Shannon90 | !next |
| 16:51.31 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:51.53 | SRabbelier | desrt: what's wrong with GDocs? |
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| 16:52.01 | arunreddy_ | ny rough estimates .. how many this yer..!! |
| 16:52.01 | Niks | ya |
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| 16:52.03 | mercurysquad | 1 hr for me because there will be a 2 hour power cut here, one hour from now :P |
| 16:52.08 | desrt | SRabbelier: i really don't like the corporate policies of the company behind it |
| 16:52.14 | arunreddy_ | how many applications in total this year..!!! |
| 16:52.15 | summatusmentis | mercurysquad: oh that bites |
| 16:52.16 | desrt | SRabbelier: they're so evil! |
| 16:52.20 | Niks | i can always do with google docs |
| 16:52.22 | mercurysquad | araujo: 5050+ apps, 3100+ students |
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| 16:52.31 | Niks | and export publically |
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| 16:52.33 | Gamara | dest are you talking about apache? |
| 16:52.41 | mercurysquad | whoops, that was for arunreddy_ |
| 16:52.46 | Gamara | desrt are you talking about apache? |
| 16:52.47 | riot | is it possible to submit a project to multiple mentoring orgs? |
| 16:52.49 | SRabbelier | mercurysquad: aah, I see |
| 16:52.56 | desrt | Gamara: no. google. :) |
| 16:52.57 | arunreddy_ | mercurysquad : thanks |
| 16:52.57 | riot | i'm going to develop for maemo using pygame and sdl |
| 16:52.59 | lh | riot: yes. |
| 16:53.00 | SRabbelier | desrt: lol |
| 16:53.04 | Gamara | oh, alright then. I was going to say.... |
| 16:53.07 | Gamara | apache? Evil? |
| 16:53.14 | lh | riot: best practice, tell them you are submitting the app to both orgs. |
| 16:53.16 | Gamara | Sure, google can be scary (I know, because I scare people) but Apache? |
| 16:53.26 | Gamara | It's like worrying about the inherent evil in a baby seal. |
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| 16:53.37 | desrt | Gamara: clearly you've never been bitten |
| 16:53.39 | Catfish_Man | baby seals are terrifying dude. Just look at those beady little eyes |
| 16:53.42 | riot | lh: and then just duplicate the proposal to both orgs? |
| 16:53.44 | Catfish_Man | can't tell what they're thinking |
| 16:53.53 | lh | riot: if it honestly fits for both then go for it |
| 16:54.13 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: of course you can |
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| 16:54.22 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: they have _black_ eyes, obviously they're thining black thoughts! |
| 16:54.25 | Corsix | but don't spam "I will fix all of your security holes" as a proposal to 20 orgs |
| 16:54.28 | riot | lh: thanks a lot :) |
| 16:54.56 | Aej | Guys i'm having a power cut. I'm not sure when it will come back. So is there anything that i can do if i'm unable to submit my proposal just in time. |
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| 16:55.05 | Gamara | http://tinyurl.com/djv6m6 |
| 16:55.08 | Gamara | Yes, awful. |
| 16:55.12 | SRabbelier | Aej: submit it now |
| 16:55.13 | Corsix | Aej: in a word, no |
| 16:55.15 | literal | Aej: submit it now, keep editing it |
| 16:55.17 | Corsix | do it now |
| 16:55.30 | smtms | Aej, move to a place with power |
| 16:55.37 | Gamara | Aej: No. Submit and edit like literal says. Or give up and try again next year. |
| 16:55.44 | desrt | Aej: get an OLPC and turn the crank! |
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| 16:55.54 | SRabbelier | Gamara: http://www.neobeans.com/blog/wp-content/uploads//2008/06/baby-seal.jpg |
| 16:55.55 | smtms | desrt, internet requires power too |
| 16:55.57 | SRabbelier | Gamara: pure evil I tell you |
| 16:55.58 | Aej | Well at the moment i'm logging to this that via mobile |
| 16:56.13 | Arc | what are some of you seeing as far as student app numbers compared to last year? |
| 16:56.17 | mercurysquad | Aej: try an internet cafe? |
| 16:56.20 | desrt | SRabbelier: man that's terrifying |
| 16:56.29 | SRabbelier | desrt: indeed, horrible |
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| 16:56.47 | Catfish_Man | look at those claws |
| 16:56.48 | SRabbelier | 5154 and counting |
| 16:56.51 | Gamara | SRabbelier incredibly cute evil! |
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| 16:57.03 | Catfish_Man | that thing could tear apart a tank |
| 16:57.04 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: they'll rip you apart |
| 16:57.10 | desrt | Catfish_Man: the face is just an act |
| 16:57.14 | desrt | Catfish_Man: the claws mean business |
| 16:57.21 | Aej | I don't have my proposal with me its in my hard disk :( |
| 16:57.27 | lh | 5154 is awesome. :) |
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| 16:57.31 | Gamara | wait, that's not actual size? Those claws are actually 9 foot long death scimitars? |
| 16:57.31 | lh | does the happy dance |
| 16:57.36 | smtms | Aej, your hard disk is powerd down? |
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| 16:57.40 | desrt | lh: 5154? |
| 16:57.48 | fortyseventeen | and 1000 positions? |
| 16:57.52 | lh | desrt: applications |
| 16:57.54 | desrt | oh. # of apps |
| 16:57.55 | desrt | gotcha |
| 16:58.03 | Gamara | Aej: don't waste your time with us. Go noodle your application. |
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| 16:58.15 | mercurysquad | lol 100 apps in 20 minutes |
| 16:58.24 | peter_dc | lh: how many applications were there last year? |
| 16:58.29 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, advice please. A midterm goal of installing the software on the laptop - is that a -4 or an ineligible? |
| 16:58.43 | summatusmentis | peter_dc: ~7000 |
| 16:58.44 | literal | peter_dc: use Wikipedia |
| 16:58.44 | rohyt | hii how can one look for abstract of applications submitted by others |
| 16:58.51 | desrt | MatthewWilkes: -4 |
| 16:58.51 | Catfish_Man | MatthewWilkes: which software is this? ineligible unless it's something pretty exotic |
| 16:58.53 | etele | How many students have applied? |
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| 16:59.00 | summatusmentis | rohyt: I'm not sure if they're publicy |
| 16:59.02 | desrt | MatthewWilkes: be kind :) |
| 16:59.03 | summatusmentis | pulic |
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| 16:59.06 | literal | rohyt: you don't see that until accepted apps are made public |
| 16:59.10 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I'd say innelegible |
| 16:59.12 | etele | MatthewWilkes: it depends on software |
| 16:59.14 | MMlosh | peter_dc: what about asking about percentage in last hour and trying to estimate it? |
| 16:59.17 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: must be a joke |
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| 16:59.25 | rohyt | i think abstract can be seen |
| 16:59.26 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: Plone. We have point-and-click installers for Windows and OSX, as well as command line installers for everything under the sun |
| 16:59.30 | typ0 | !timeline |
| 16:59.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:59.35 | Catfish_Man | MatthewWilkes: ineligible then |
| 16:59.37 | hkpco | !next |
| 16:59.37 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 16:59.38 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol, hilarious |
| 16:59.42 | peter_dc | MMlosh: how will that help me with last years? |
| 16:59.43 | mercurysquad | abstracts will be public after submission deadline?? |
| 16:59.50 | mercurysquad | or after final results? |
| 16:59.54 | Catfish_Man | MatthewWilkes: or a public comment with "wtf?" and -4 |
| 16:59.59 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: they're gonna turn out to have some mobility disease, and you're gonna feel like a horrible person |
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| 17:00.29 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Then they should be better than most - they can't get away from the computer |
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| 17:00.53 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol :P |
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| 17:00.59 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: maybe it takes them 1.5 months to move the mouse enough to get the software installed! |
| 17:01.00 | SRabbelier | 5165 :O |
| 17:01.16 | desrt | i bet you break 6000 |
| 17:01.22 | juanmacuevas | any mentor without applications? |
| 17:01.25 | MMlosh | peter_dc: you can find out how much people wait for last moment |
| 17:01.27 | fortyseventeen | in 2 hours? |
| 17:01.39 | desrt | fortyseventeen: i always make unreasonably optimistic bets :) |
| 17:01.41 | MMlosh | fortyseventeen: yes.. why not... |
| 17:01.46 | NicDumZ | snippyhollow, tarlouze |
| 17:01.52 | BCarlyon|Server | THERE IS A KEYBOARD ON MY HEAD http://ustream.tv/channels/bazzacarlyon |
| 17:02.06 | snippyhollow | NicDumZ, go code and patch instead of branler la giraffe |
| 17:02.10 | NicDumZ | :p |
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| 17:02.28 | fortyseventeen | OH EM GEE...it's a 404 |
| 17:02.32 | desrt | juanmacuevas: it sounds like you might not be a good fit for the programme |
| 17:02.34 | patri | 6000 sounds reasonable |
| 17:02.36 | Aej | Thanks guys. I'm out. Good luck with your applications. And have a nice summer :) |
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| 17:02.47 | desrt | Aej: + good luck with yours :) |
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| 17:03.07 | tntcoder | awaits April 20th |
| 17:03.07 | BCarlyon|Server | THERE IS A KEYBOARD ON MY HEAD http://ustream.tv/channel/bazzacarlyon |
| 17:03.09 | BCarlyon|Server | Whoops |
| 17:03.23 | MADler | im finishing my second year in CS.... should I have more experience if I want to apply for GSOC? |
| 17:03.38 | desrt | MADler: it's a bit late to ask that question :) |
| 17:03.39 | Catfish_Man | MADler: it's a bit late to be deciding whether to apply |
| 17:03.42 | SRabbelier | MADler: no, but you're rather late |
| 17:03.47 | desrt | jinx x2 :) |
| 17:03.50 | MADler | there's next year... |
| 17:03.50 | straydawg | idd |
| 17:03.51 | smtms | MADler, not necessary |
| 17:03.51 | straydawg | jinx |
| 17:03.52 | ahuillet | MADler : you had something like two weeks to decide |
| 17:04.03 | ahuillet | and the answer is "it's ok" |
| 17:04.09 | literal | two months, the program was announced in February :) |
| 17:04.20 | *** kick/#gsoc [BCarlyon!n=Gamara@nat/google/x-99a486b0267ecad1] by Gamara (Gamara) |
| 17:04.28 | Gamara | Okay, lets focus on the soc. |
| 17:04.30 | MADler | I gotta say im kinda intimidated by the idea of having a project to do... |
| 17:04.33 | Gamara | Offtopic = banning. |
| 17:04.35 | juanmacuevas | desrt: should sound like i'm desperate to get a job like this on summer, but i knew it today. And I AM ready for code! |
| 17:04.41 | desrt | Gamara: think of the baby seals! |
| 17:04.43 | SRabbelier | BCarlyon|Server: did you see my question twice too? I only sent it once :P |
| 17:04.47 | desrt | Gamara: *grin* |
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| 17:05.03 | Gamara | Seriously. Other ops can kick me if -I- get offtopic. |
| 17:05.05 | SRabbelier | Gamara: we ask nicely first, then kick, then ban :P |
| 17:05.08 | Gamara | We have , what , 1 hour to go? |
| 17:05.18 | SRabbelier | Gamara: 2 actually |
| 17:05.19 | desrt | Gamara: 2. |
| 17:05.19 | patri | 2 |
| 17:05.20 | straydawg | Gamara: 1 hr 54 mins |
| 17:05.29 | Gamara | He posted 2 lings to some bs with caps. It was nice to just kick and not ban. |
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| 17:05.32 | Erant | Hmm, maybe I should start working on my 3 proposals then. |
| 17:05.37 | literal | maybe |
| 17:05.49 | Erant | I could probably stretch it another hour though |
| 17:06.00 | desrt | sounds like me in highschool |
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| 17:07.19 | nuba | ... and then one day you find 10 yrs have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.. ;) |
| 17:07.49 | mdiggory_ | I'm administrator on the DSpace GSoC project. I've got a student application thats been classified as ineligible. There is no description why. Is there a way in the application see why an application is ineligible? |
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| 17:08.06 | desrt | mdiggory_: probably one of your own mentors flagged it as such |
| 17:08.08 | SRabbelier | mdiggory_: fraid not |
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| 17:08.21 | SRabbelier | mdiggory_: but another possiblity is that the student withdrew their application |
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| 17:08.23 | arun_ | mdiggory_, or the student could have. |
| 17:08.30 | varunsl | when u submit your student application all you get on your screen is "student proposal saved" right? |
| 17:08.35 | humbert | mdiggory you should probably go to #melange on freenode |
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| 17:08.40 | SRabbelier | varunsl: yup |
| 17:08.53 | mdiggory_ | ok... off I go... thanks |
| 17:09.03 | SRabbelier | mdiggory_: np |
| 17:09.28 | juanmacuevas | well see you next year! |
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| 17:09.46 | humbert | mdiggory_: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_appreview |
| 17:09.48 | varunsl | srabbelier : thanks, is there anyway i can cross check if indeed my application is submitted? |
| 17:10.34 | Egis | varunsl: you can check it under "list my student proposals" |
| 17:10.56 | varunsl | egis : yes it is listed there |
| 17:11.00 | SRabbelier | varunsl: hit 'list my proposals' |
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| 17:11.27 | SRabbelier | 5197 proposals and counting xD |
| 17:11.36 | SRabbelier | We're so going to get to 5500 |
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| 17:12.40 | bergwolf | !next |
| 17:12.40 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 17:13.07 | aoszkar | SRabbelier: that's less than last year's, isn't it? |
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| 17:13.43 | SRabbelier | aoszkar: nope, last year we had only 5 |
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| 17:14.06 | Corsix | a 1100x increase then |
| 17:14.08 | Corsix | not bad |
| 17:14.08 | SRabbelier | aoszkar: here's your sign :) |
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| 17:14.24 | aoszkar | SRabbelier: unbelievable! |
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| 17:14.57 | SRabbelier | aoszkar: no seriously! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwv8vcZEoU |
| 17:15.12 | BCarlyon|Server | blarg |
| 17:15.18 | bergwolf | SRabbelier, what about this year's slot count? Is it going to be as many as last year? |
| 17:15.35 | SRabbelier | bergwolf: see the faq |
| 17:15.36 | SRabbelier | !faq |
| 17:15.37 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 17:16.25 | atulagrwl | !next |
| 17:16.26 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 17:16.34 | Eternal_newbie | Hi, I just remembered about gsoc. Am I too late to apply? |
| 17:16.45 | Catfish_Man | probably, yeah |
| 17:16.48 | Shannon90 | !awesome |
| 17:16.48 | socinfo | Error: "awesome" is not a valid command. |
| 17:16.49 | Catfish_Man | deadline in less than 2 hours |
| 17:16.52 | skbohra | 1 hr still |
| 17:16.58 | fortyseventeen | oh jeebus, Eternal_newbie. you lived up to that nick in record time. |
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| 17:17.07 | Eternal_newbie | yeh thats what i thought |
| 17:17.11 | aoszkar | Eternal_newbie: unless you have a proposal ready.. |
| 17:17.26 | bergwolf | SRabbelier, thanks. |
| 17:17.33 | Shannon90 | !socinfo |
| 17:17.34 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
| 17:17.34 | SRabbelier | fortyseventeen: +1 there |
| 17:17.44 | aoszkar | SRabbelier: what organization do you belong to? |
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| 17:17.52 | SRabbelier | aoszkar: Melange |
| 17:17.57 | SRabbelier | aoszkar: your humble Host ;) |
| 17:18.02 | Eternal_newbie | nah I'm just looking at organisation and there ideas list |
| 17:18.06 | Eternal_newbie | :( |
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| 17:18.42 | td123 | how much time is left? 1 hour right? |
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| 17:18.44 | aoszkar | SRabbelier: so what do you mean by a 1100x increase? That's how many students applied to your GSoC projects? |
| 17:18.50 | td123 | is doing last minute polishing |
| 17:18.52 | Eternal_newbie | and its my final yr so i cant apply next yr |
| 17:18.58 | fortyseventeen | 102 minutes. |
| 17:18.58 | aoszkar | SRabbelier: 5197? |
| 17:19.09 | td123 | fortyseventeen: ok ty :D |
| 17:19.33 | SRabbelier | aoszkar: dude, do I really need a sarcasm sign that bad? |
| 17:19.41 | spectie | !timeline |
| 17:19.42 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:19.49 | krzaqpl | I have a question: since "gsoc" is part of "ingsoc", is Google the Big Brother? |
| 17:19.53 | aoszkar | SRabbelier: sorry, just jumped in the conversation... |
| 17:19.54 | aoszkar | :) |
| 17:20.22 | p_l | Fri Apr 3 17:20:22 UTC 2009 |
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| 17:22.50 | warthog9 | where can one find the logs of this channel? |
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| 17:22.57 | scorche|sh | !logs |
| 17:22.57 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 17:22.59 | SRabbelier | warthog9: read the topic? |
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| 17:23.31 | warthog9 | SRabbelier: topic ends in my client at "This channel is logged a" |
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| 17:23.48 | SRabbelier | warthog9: ah, forget I said anything then :) |
| 17:23.52 | SRabbelier | warthog9: apologies |
| 17:23.58 | plaes | will it be possible to edit the application after the deadline? |
| 17:24.05 | warthog9 | SRabbelier: no worries :-) |
| 17:24.06 | SRabbelier | plaes: only if your mentor lets you |
| 17:24.06 | ecksun | !next |
| 17:24.06 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 17:24.27 | plaes | SRabbelier: ok, cool... |
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| 17:24.32 | zooko | SRabbelier: Hm. |
| 17:24.38 | SRabbelier | zooko: que? |
| 17:24.59 | mercurysquad | lifeeth: sup |
| 17:25.07 | zooko | SRabbelier: I'm just going back through this channel for when I asked a similar question and ws told now, and when kumarabhi did and was told "no". |
| 17:25.20 | lifeeth | mercurysquad, Nothing much.. do I know you? |
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| 17:25.28 | zooko | This is important to me because I'm calling some students right now telling them that my earlier instructions to edit their apps after the deadline were incorrect |
| 17:25.37 | zooko | and that instead they should drop everything and edit their proposals right now. |
| 17:25.39 | enterneo | hi mercurysquad |
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| 17:25.52 | zooko | Oh well, it hardly matters, I've already called them and left messages. :-) |
| 17:25.57 | mercurysquad | is prashant (vaibhav). i'm not sure myself but you could be nirbheek or praneeth or shashank :P |
| 17:25.57 | SRabbelier | zooko: it's not possible currently |
| 17:26.02 | SRabbelier | zooko: but we'll add a checkbox :) |
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| 17:26.09 | insane | !extension |
| 17:26.10 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 17:26.11 | hameedullah | I wish to add !extend <time> to socinfo |
| 17:26.19 | td123 | Does anyone know if the abstract is taken seriously? since my proposal is very extensive. |
| 17:26.23 | SRabbelier | hameedullah: what do you mean? |
| 17:26.31 | SRabbelier | td123: why wouldn't it be? |
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| 17:26.38 | hameedullah | !extend 2 days |
| 17:26.38 | socinfo | Error: "extend" is not a valid command. |
| 17:26.39 | zooko | SRabbelier: okay, cool. So I will now tell one of my students to start working on improving his proposal, even though he won't be back online til after deadline. |
| 17:26.41 | hameedullah | :) |
| 17:26.53 | td123 | SRabbelier: I've seen some previous accepted proposal abstracts and they seem to be on the funny side :D |
| 17:27.19 | td123 | SRabbelier: they probably had some really good proposals though |
| 17:27.50 | SRabbelier | td123: you can always edit your abstract after being accepted :) |
| 17:28.00 | td123 | oh |
| 17:28.11 | td123 | really? why would they do that? |
| 17:28.21 | SRabbelier | 5260 apps :D |
| 17:28.30 | peter_dc | td123: to make it funnier |
| 17:28.33 | SRabbelier | td123: in case you change the scope of your project for example |
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| 17:28.39 | td123 | k |
| 17:28.48 | nixbox | SRabbelier, for which project? |
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| 17:30.27 | thrashold | Can anyone tell me how to login to the GSoC site using Firefox? Konqueror is constantly crashing on me because of the rich text editor, and clicking on the sign in link in Firefox does nothing. |
| 17:30.33 | mercurysquad | lifeeth: so applying to gentoo again? |
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| 17:31.01 | chunmun|dinner | 88 minutes to go :) |
| 17:31.16 | lifeeth | mercurysquad, You got me confused with some one else.. I have not applied to gentoo |
| 17:31.22 | SRabbelier | nixbox: you are kidding right? :) |
| 17:31.32 | chunmun|dinner | thrashold: can you access gmail on ff? |
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| 17:31.47 | SRabbelier | thrashold: got cookies enabled? |
| 17:32.02 | mercurysquad | lifeeth: ah never mind. your username sounded familiar. you're from india (iit) right? i might be totally off, disregard if you arent |
| 17:32.12 | nixbox | SRabbelier, i just saw you guys discussing the number of apps, whats that about :P |
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| 17:32.27 | SRabbelier | nixbox: total number of applicatiosn |
| 17:32.28 | thrashold | chunmun|dinner and SRabbelier: yes |
| 17:32.40 | lifeeth | mercurysquad, Yes.. You were talking about nirbheek :) |
| 17:32.40 | SRabbelier | nixbox: I thought you could figure that one out by the magnitude |
| 17:32.57 | nixbox | SRabbelier, i did, but someoe's comment confused me :P |
| 17:33.20 | nixbox | SRabbelier, maybe gsoc has taken the world by storm, lol |
| 17:33.24 | thrashold | Ah, sorry |
| 17:33.34 | patri | !count |
| 17:33.34 | socinfo | Error: "count" is not a valid command. |
| 17:33.40 | thrashold | It was a problem in me. :) I'm silly. Thank you :) |
| 17:33.45 | mercurysquad | lifeeth: ah yes :) goodluck buddy |
| 17:34.03 | lifeeth | mercurysquad, You too |
| 17:34.06 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.35 | mercurysquad | thanks |
| 17:35.37 | lh | peter_dc: over 7k |
| 17:35.44 | peter_dc | Is the number of applications per org, publicly available |
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| 17:35.53 | nerus | !next |
| 17:35.53 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 17:35.54 | SRabbelier | peter_dc: nope |
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| 17:36.58 | peter_dc | I'm curious what the distribution is, e.g. I assume applications are not spread evenly, but are there a few orgs that get huge numbers? |
| 17:37.18 | [Evan] | I read that Python got 20 last year. |
| 17:37.26 | chunmun | peter_dc: guess too early for such stats for 2009 |
| 17:37.42 | peter_dc | chunmun: I'd happily hear about last year |
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| 17:38.32 | lut4rp | Does socghop.appspot.com run on Google App Engine? |
| 17:38.36 | [Evan] | Even if they have guidlines, I bet that they're flexible. For example, if one org doesn't get enough good proposals, another org may get to pick up the difference. |
| 17:38.36 | Ivanovic | peter_dc: in general you can say that every org gets *too many* promising proposals and students |
| 17:38.53 | Ivanovic | too many as in "by far more than the org is able to mentor" |
| 17:39.12 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: you can't guess from the appspot.com? |
| 17:39.15 | Ivanovic | looking at the current numbers i think i might need several more bock |
| 17:39.22 | lut4rp | SRabbelier, just confirming :) |
| 17:39.25 | Ivanovic | in the last three days we got 20 applications... |
| 17:39.37 | chunmun | peter_dc: some more stats: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-summer-of-code-by-numbers.html |
| 17:39.38 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: also, the 'GAE ToS' at the bottom should be a dead givaway |
| 17:39.44 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: together with the sign in screen... :P |
| 17:39.48 | peter_dc | chunmun: thanks! |
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| 17:39.57 | lh | peter_dc: no, ask the orgs for details on # of apps |
| 17:39.59 | DrJoel | ivan: yikes .. lots to review and give feedback on.. any previous contact? |
| 17:40.23 | SRabbelier | 5309! :D |
| 17:40.34 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: sure, got contact already to most |
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| 17:40.53 | Ivanovic | that is: those which have not come to irc will have a comment "please join our irc chan to talk with us" rather soon |
| 17:40.56 | lh | SRabbelier: woot! |
| 17:41.21 | SRabbelier | lh: with 78 minutes left, we'll definitely make the 5500! |
| 17:41.30 | DrJoel | ivan: well that's good.. cold proposals are not my favorite |
| 17:41.42 | lh | SRabbelier: i sure hope so. that would be teh awesome!! |
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| 17:41.52 | SRabbelier | lh: indeed |
| 17:41.57 | DrJoel | ivan: we have given a few of those comments.. i even cut and pasted irc logs as one proposal comment LOL |
| 17:42.01 | [Evan] | I thought we got 7000 last year. |
| 17:42.06 | pushkalcodes | !stats |
| 17:42.06 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 17:42.13 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: just look at this list, it already shows an amount of students that was able to read our page and post there, most also joined irc, too |
| 17:42.14 | Ivanovic | http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas#GSoC_Student_pages |
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| 17:42.23 | lh | [Evan]: we did. of those 7k, a little under 1k came in after deadline extension and were not very good. |
| 17:42.23 | warthog9 | hmmmm sadly the irc logs are a day behind. If anyone was looking for me overnight (my irc client's scroll back apparently isn't big enough) I'm around :-) |
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| 17:42.57 | [Evan] | Ah, so the extension caused a lot of the proposals |
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| 17:43.18 | Ivanovic | atm we got 34 proposals in the tracker where the users have not withdrawn (that is three more have withdrawn, one was marked ineligable by me) |
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| 17:43.43 | [Evan] | @Ivanovic What org are you with? |
| 17:43.54 | geoaxis | phew |
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| 17:44.02 | kr0y | [Evan]: What extension? |
| 17:44.03 | chunmun | !extension |
| 17:44.03 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 17:44.17 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: should be easy to guess looking at the link i just pasted |
| 17:44.17 | kr0y | Ohh :-/ |
| 17:44.18 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:44.21 | Ivanovic | (wesnoth that is) |
| 17:44.23 | fortyseventeen | kr0y: last year's. |
| 17:44.54 | [Evan] | Sorry, on my client you're gray just like all the rest. :) |
| 17:45.04 | kr0y | fortyseventeen: Ohkay. There seem to be lesser number of applications this year |
| 17:45.10 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. say one of the projects require you to submit a patch for them to prove to them that you're worthy enough |
| 17:45.12 | ajuonline | !extension |
| 17:45.12 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 17:45.15 | ajuonline | damn! |
| 17:45.19 | the9a3eedi | does it have to be before the application deadline? |
| 17:45.34 | Ivanovic | kr0y: uhm, you know, i got to disagree |
| 17:45.35 | venkat119 | !extension |
| 17:45.36 | chunmun | consoles ajuonline |
| 17:45.46 | lh | ajuonline: oh c'mon ajay, you can get an app in now |
| 17:45.49 | Ivanovic | kr0y: that is: this year we got more application and the average application is of higher quality |
| 17:46.01 | scorche|sh | the9a3eedi: depends on the org.. |
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| 17:46.07 | the9a3eedi | scorche|sh, hmm.. |
| 17:46.08 | ajuonline | lh: one is in. |
| 17:46.11 | ajuonline | long back :/ |
| 17:46.18 | ajuonline | seonc one* :D |
| 17:46.19 | Vedrana_Jankovic | the9a3eedi: i suppose it depends on the organisation, opencog project allows submitting patches after april 3 |
| 17:46.19 | Ivanovic | that is: last year there were a) several application that were pure spam "as in 'jo, lemme create your website, i rulor'" |
| 17:46.21 | fortyseventeen | the9a3eedi: do they say so? they have a few weeks to evaluate you, you know. |
| 17:46.25 | kr0y | Ivanovic: Quality better than quantity so I guess tougher competition :) |
| 17:46.26 | the9a3eedi | wow. how many times are you people going to ask for an extension? Don |
| 17:46.28 | [Evan] | @Ivan That's surprising. I thought the quality would go down as the quantity went up. |
| 17:46.43 | Ivanovic | *and* there are not many bad quality applications so far |
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| 17:46.56 | the9a3eedi | Stop wasting time typing "!extension" and start writing proposals with what little time you have left :P |
| 17:46.56 | the9a3eedi | like me :P |
| 17:46.56 | chunmun | the9a3eedi: till the countdown is up I guess.. :P |
| 17:46.58 | Ivanovic | that is: most were at least able to answer the questions we asked them |
| 17:47.02 | DrJoel | the9: we have a requirement to do something and as long as it is in before we have made up our minds, it is OK. But most have done it so not much of a problem to me. |
| 17:47.16 | lh | ajuonline: yay |
| 17:47.19 | maximumbob | If I submit a proposal and am accepted, is it binding at that point? Or is that the point at which I commit? |
| 17:47.33 | DrJoel | ivan: most of ours were top notch also |
| 17:47.33 | Ivanovic | so in fact for us both, quantity and quality went up |
| 17:47.34 | the9a3eedi | DrJoel, I see.. so I guess I better be submitting patches after the deadline. |
| 17:47.35 | maximumbob | can commit* |
| 17:47.41 | chunmun | wonders if the channel will see >600 today itself :P |
| 17:47.42 | the9a3eedi | even though I might not be considered anyway |
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| 17:47.44 | Ivanovic | not too many of the "man, this can't be serious" proposals no more |
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| 17:47.57 | [Evan] | @DrJoel What's you're org? |
| 17:48.06 | the9a3eedi | basically, the competition this year is higher than ever? :( |
| 17:48.12 | lh | maximumbob: you committed when you applied dude. if you dont want to do teh program, withdraw your apps asap so someone who does can be selected |
| 17:48.13 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: the top notch part is what we will be working on a little further over the next week |
| 17:48.17 | fortyseventeen | maximumbob: of course it's not binding. If you do none of the work, you simply won't get paid. |
| 17:48.26 | Ivanovic | that is making sure that the timeline given is reasonable and well thought, stuff like this |
| 17:48.36 | chunmun | the9a3eedi: guess so.. |
| 17:48.45 | the9a3eedi | worries |
| 17:48.48 | kr0y | fortyseventeen: Dont you get 500$ at the time you are selected?? |
| 17:48.50 | maximumbob | lh, fortyseventeen: I only ask because I submitted my proposal, then soon got an internship opportunity. I have a phone interview with them, but I want to keep my options open. |
| 17:48.56 | ajuonline | kr0y: yes you do. |
| 17:48.56 | maximumbob | (elsewhere) |
| 17:49.01 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: competition is always strong for SoC |
| 17:49.02 | fortyseventeen | ah, my mistake |
| 17:49.20 | Ivanovic | last year it was difficult to decide which students to take and this year it will be about as difficult |
| 17:49.32 | mixrin | where i can edit my proposal? |
| 17:49.38 | Ivanovic | there are always some outstanding proposals and often there are too many of those to have *all* of them accepted |
| 17:49.38 | atagar | top right |
| 17:50.12 | fortyseventeen | maximumbob: tell the interning company to wait until the 20th for a final answer. |
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| 17:50.39 | lh | maximumbob: you better decide as quickly as possible honestly. otherwise, you might get accepted, leave another student out of the running and then that just sucks |
| 17:50.53 | Landon | chunmun: don't worry, we still have until acceptances are announced :P |
| 17:50.55 | [Evan] | @Ivan Were all of your outstanding apps from people who were already involved in Wesnoth? |
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| 17:50.57 | Landon | to beat channel records |
| 17:50.58 | Landon | heh |
| 17:51.09 | Ivanovic | looking at the amount of applications we got so far and the max we are able to mentor (4 to max 5, if google is willing to give us this many that is), basically only the top 10% got a good chance to get in |
| 17:51.11 | chunmun | Landon: yay :) |
| 17:51.21 | evalica | !deadline |
| 17:51.21 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 17:51.21 | Landon | 874 as of april 21, 2008 |
| 17:51.24 | lh | Ivanovic: damn. |
| 17:51.26 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: several are from people already involved, several are from really new students |
| 17:51.26 | lh | that's amazing |
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| 17:51.28 | evalica | !timeline |
| 17:51.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:51.30 | lh | Landon: que? |
| 17:51.40 | maximumbob | fortyseventeen, lh: I do understand, and if I'm accepted to my GSoC project, I'll let them know immediately of my decision. |
| 17:51.45 | maximumbob | thanks |
| 17:51.51 | Landon | lh: max users on the channel |
| 17:51.53 | lh | maximumbob: try to get an answer befor ethe 20th |
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| 17:51.58 | lh | Landon: ah thanin ye |
| 17:51.59 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. I was thinking.. know what would be embarrasing? |
| 17:52.01 | lh | thankin ye even |
| 17:52.11 | lh | the9a3eedi: no but i am sure you are going to tell us |
| 17:52.14 | chunmun | the9a3eedi:? |
| 17:52.18 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: that is the two successful students from last year are applying again (and yeah, they got a good chance, since we know the quality they are able to deliver, though they have to show that we should take them instead of "new ones") |
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| 17:52.27 | chunmun | the9a3eedi:shoot :) |
| 17:52.28 | Ivanovic | and we got others that are *really* impressive, too |
| 17:52.34 | Shannon90 | !lh |
| 17:52.34 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 17:52.35 | the9a3eedi | if a person applies to a project, using a template on their website. but they forget to remove all those <insert description here> and all that |
| 17:52.53 | chunmun | the9a3eedi: lolz |
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| 17:52.57 | mercurysquad | heh |
| 17:53.00 | [Evan] | @Ivan Well then, I'm glad I didn't apply to you! XD |
| 17:53.06 | Ivanovic | just looking at what this student has managed over the last ~3 weeks and i am barely able to really believe this is true: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab#Patches_and_commits |
| 17:53.06 | maximumbob | lh: I'll know from the internship company probably next week, and I'll talk with the guy at the GSoC project I've been communicating with. I know that there are other people who can have it and don't want to 'steal' a spot! |
| 17:53.56 | Ivanovic | and yes, he is trying to get into one of our most difficult projects (yes, he has a good chance so far, at least i am very impressed) |
| 17:54.02 | kr0y | what will happen if all the good and experienced people apply and reapply for gsoc? where will the first timers like us go? |
| 17:54.22 | lh | maximumbob: ok good. :) |
| 17:54.27 | scorche|sh | to the library to learn more for the next year? |
| 17:54.44 | mercurysquad | Ivanovic: that just gave me a massive inferiority complex :-\ |
| 17:54.55 | lh | kr0y: some projects deliberately want begineers. not to worry. |
| 17:54.57 | JJanz | Hi, guys. We're at about an hour for the student application deadline. My proposal is done but do I have to do anything else like "submit final" somewhere? |
| 17:54.58 | lh | beginners even |
| 17:55.07 | maximumbob | Ivanovic: What project are you from? |
| 17:55.15 | JJanz | Anyone knows? |
| 17:55.21 | [Evan] | @JJ no |
| 17:55.22 | ArthurLiu_ | we're having a large push of proposals at Debian, some rubbish, some quite good, including some by non-DD status Debian Developers, they're going to be spanked a bit, we've been broadcasting all over debian to get in touch with the gsoc team and apply early |
| 17:55.27 | JJanz | And could help me? |
| 17:55.37 | kr0y | That was reassuring lh. Thanks :) |
| 17:55.41 | caden | ArthurLiu_: what's non-dd status? |
| 17:55.42 | Ivanovic | maximumbob: battle for wesnoth |
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| 17:55.50 | [Evan] | @JJ I mean, no, you don't have to do a "Final Submit". |
| 17:55.50 | lut4rp | wesnoth++++++ |
| 17:55.51 | lifeeth | kr0y, There are also new orgs |
| 17:55.54 | maximumbob | [Evan]: Re: JJanz's question. So if I 'saved' my proposal then it's actually submitted? |
| 17:55.56 | lh | JJanz: did you submit it via socghop.appspot.com? |
| 17:55.59 | lh | kr0y: i try |
| 17:56.00 | caden | Landon: there is a max # of people allowed in the channel? |
| 17:56.06 | maximumbob | I mean, I clicked 'submit' to save, so I assumed. :p |
| 17:56.07 | lut4rp | Ivanovic, total awesomeness |
| 17:56.09 | geoaxis | woohoo |
| 17:56.11 | maximumbob | Ivanovic: ah cool. |
| 17:56.13 | JJanz | lh: yeah. |
| 17:56.13 | Landon | caden: not that I know of |
| 17:56.21 | Landon | at least, nothing that we'll be able to hit for years to come |
| 17:56.22 | Landon | :p |
| 17:56.26 | kr0y | lifeeth: Yep I tried for a new and an already established org |
| 17:56.26 | Ivanovic | kr0y: in general all those are wanted that are interested to participate |
| 17:56.33 | DrJoel | srabbelier.. does app count include those marked ineligible? |
| 17:56.35 | lh | JJanz: then you're fine. click on list my proposals if you want to confirm it was there |
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| 17:56.39 | geoaxis | melange is working real nice |
| 17:56.43 | [Evan] | @bob Because the "save" button actually says "Submit", I think you're good. |
| 17:56.43 | chunmun | the9a3eedi: http://tinyurl.com/o3nv5 #7 |
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| 17:56.48 | Ivanovic | that is those that are helpful in irc, that try to get into things, seem encouraged |
| 17:56.52 | ArthurLiu_ | DD are Debian Developers with full commit rights (takes a year to go through the vetting process so many developers are not yet DDs but participate in teams) |
| 17:57.07 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: yes it does, but there's only like 200 marked inellegible atm |
| 17:57.07 | JJanz | lh: Yeah, I've been working on it there, editing and saving. |
| 17:57.08 | lh | if you are worried about your proposal not being in, please click on list my student proposals to verify that it is there |
| 17:57.24 | DrJoel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.24 | lh | JJanz: that's fine do your last edit before an hour from now |
| 17:57.32 | maximumbob | Every time I go to the gsoc site I feel a weird connection to Dune... then I remember the project name. |
| 17:57.38 | Ivanovic | number of real spam apps is *low* this year |
| 17:57.41 | JJanz | lh: Great. |
| 17:57.42 | mixrin | argh, i'am totally screwed, but where i can edit my proposal? |
| 17:57.52 | warren | lh: btw, did you happen to talk to Ryan Niebur yet? (under-aged so cannot be SoC student, but he wants to be a mentor) |
| 17:58.03 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: 3205 atm |
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| 17:58.16 | SRabbelier | mixrin: just click on it from 'list my proposals' |
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| 17:58.20 | fortyseventeen | mixrin: http://socghop.appspot.com/ -> List my Student Proposals. |
| 17:58.20 | [Evan] | @mixrin Just click on "Edit proposal" in the top right corner of your proposal. Make sure you're logged in. |
| 17:58.28 | DrJoel | srabbelier: thanks.. i know you are tired of answering that |
| 17:58.31 | JJanz | lh: Will I be able to make any change on it later? |
| 17:58.31 | lh | warren: i emailed ryan. i am waiting to hear from our legal counsel no word yet, need him to ping me next week if he has nto heard back from me |
| 17:58.39 | lh | JJanz: you can make comments later |
| 17:58.42 | mixrin | ohhh, i missed this blue link :) |
| 17:58.43 | mixrin | thanks |
| 17:58.44 | JJanz | lh: Or fovrever I'll hold my peace? |
| 17:58.51 | warren | Ryan52: ^^ |
| 17:58.53 | SRabbelier | DrJoel: nah, I'm interested in those numbers myslef too, no worries :) |
| 17:58.59 | warren | lh: ok thanks! |
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| 17:59.16 | the9a3eedi | how many applications does the average student submit? |
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| 17:59.29 | lh | JJanz: that's just a good idea anyway |
| 17:59.32 | lh | warren: np |
| 17:59.32 | Ivanovic | our spam application (yeah, i consider this one spam) was this: title: "student proposal", abstract: "im aplying for the full time job" about 10 lines of "content", ending with: "as i said i have a lot of free time. 7-8 hours a day.\nIm expecting your email." |
| 17:59.52 | Emmanuel | lol |
| 17:59.58 | z3r0 | lol Ivanovic |
| 17:59.58 | Ivanovic | left the student about a week to improve it, no reaction, marked as ineligible |
| 18:00.01 | DrJoel | srabbelier: just curious what the general "odds" of a student getting a slot were.. so 1:3 this year |
| 18:00.01 | fortyseventeen | ding dong, 18 o'clock |
| 18:00.06 | caden | WOW |
| 18:00.11 | caden | @Ivanovic |
| 18:00.24 | ashishpaliwal | !extension |
| 18:00.24 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
| 18:00.25 | Ivanovic | this was a clear example about how not to do it |
| 18:00.33 | latitude | tada |
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| 18:00.42 | lut4rp | 1 hour left! |
| 18:00.44 | lut4rp | :D |
| 18:00.48 | straszheim | we've got a bunch of those winnars as well, ivanovic |
| 18:00.51 | JJanz | lh: Last question: will the (external) images be saved somehow, in a manner that they won't change if they're modified? |
| 18:00.52 | lh | !timeline |
| 18:00.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:01.05 | lh | JJanz: unknown. i can't imagine they should change |
| 18:01.12 | Ivanovic | straszheim: exactly one, not more |
| 18:01.19 | atul15 | !next |
| 18:01.19 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:01.21 | riot | uh, am i missing something? I can't find pygame in the org list anymore?! |
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| 18:01.29 | nopper | !timelin |
| 18:01.29 | socinfo | Error: "timelin" is not a valid command. |
| 18:01.30 | nopper | !timeline |
| 18:01.30 | latitude | oh, i forgot it's summer time |
| 18:01.31 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:01.37 | ArthurLiu | quick question: can titles be altered after the deadline ? |
| 18:01.39 | warren | deadline is 1 hour? |
| 18:01.49 | geoaxis | deadline is up |
| 18:01.49 | JJanz | lh: Thanks a lot. |
| 18:01.50 | maximumbob | The final countdown. |
| 18:01.55 | JJanz | Thank you all, guys. |
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| 18:02.06 | atulagrwl | !next |
| 18:02.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:02.08 | JJanz | Gonna make last hour revision. |
| 18:02.15 | lh | JJanz: np |
| 18:02.17 | Ivanovic | though we also had a student stating that he won't have time before beginning of july (time at all that is) and we stated that this will not work though we are fine with him strechting the part that would be mid may to beginning of july to "right after application accepted" instead |
| 18:02.21 | maximumbob | Good luck all... |
| 18:02.26 | Ivanovic | was not possible for him, so he withdraw |
| 18:02.27 | geoaxis | JJanz, last hour ...its last minute |
| 18:02.46 | ArthurLiu | because we'd like to change some titles to something vaguely understandable to non-gurus but some of our students are offline |
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| 18:03.02 | warren | huh? deadline passed? the page says noon PDT |
| 18:03.07 | JJanz | geoaxis: actually, there's still an hour. |
| 18:03.08 | warren | it is 11:03am PDT now |
| 18:03.21 | borja | geoaxis: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj |
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| 18:03.25 | geoaxis | JJanz: its 19:00 UTC |
| 18:03.27 | lh | folks you have like an hour chill |
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| 18:03.47 | jmb | geoaxis: it so isn't |
| 18:03.50 | ArthurLiu | lh: ^ ? |
| 18:03.50 | mwilkes|phone | geoaxis: it's 1800utc, 1900 uk time |
| 18:03.52 | freebsd-brooks | geoaxis: you need to find your self a working ntp implementation :) |
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| 18:03.57 | geoaxis | arggghh |
| 18:03.57 | schumaml | make one of the bots post utc time very 60 seconds? |
| 18:03.59 | mwilkes|phone | daylight savings |
| 18:04.00 | schumaml | runs |
| 18:04.08 | geoaxis | dam day lights savings |
| 18:04.14 | geoaxis | benjemin franklin |
| 18:04.17 | JJanz | geoaxis: No, it's not. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=3&year=2009&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 |
| 18:04.18 | Niks | http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2009/niks/t123878165890 |
| 18:04.27 | Niks | comments insanely invited |
| 18:04.30 | Niks | http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2009/niks/t123878165890 |
| 18:04.38 | Ivanovic | ugh, this is going to be some serious work |
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| 18:04.50 | riot | where is pygame gone in the mentor org list? |
| 18:04.50 | Ivanovic | if even more applications get in we will end at about 40... |
| 18:04.53 | fortyseventeen | yup, 6:04p in Reykjavik. |
| 18:04.54 | Ivanovic | (35 so far) |
| 18:04.58 | geoaxis | Niks : we cannot see it |
| 18:05.03 | Niks | phew |
| 18:05.26 | geoaxis | Niks: we don't have the role, perhaps a public proposal |
| 18:05.26 | lh | ArthurLiu: what's the question? |
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| 18:05.51 | ArthurLiu | the content of the proposal will be frozen in one hour, but the abstract and titles ? |
| 18:05.58 | lh | abstract not frozen |
| 18:06.02 | lh | titles i don't think so either |
| 18:06.06 | ArthurLiu | ok cool |
| 18:06.17 | ArthurLiu | because some are seriously arcane |
| 18:06.30 | lh | solydzajs: do the proposal titles get frozen along with the comments text or is proposal title editable like the abstract section? |
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| 18:06.49 | amitav | can I update the application after the deadline |
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| 18:07.21 | Niks | how to make proposal public :~ |
| 18:07.22 | ArthurLiu | amitav, the content, no, but you can make comments and your mentor should takes them into account |
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| 18:07.32 | geoaxis | Niks: post it on your blog |
| 18:07.37 | ArthurLiu | Niks, post it somewhere public |
| 18:07.47 | lh | wanders off for a little bit |
| 18:07.50 | lh | remain calm kidz. |
| 18:07.51 | lh | :) |
| 18:07.54 | riot | can't anybody tell me whats going on with pygame?? |
| 18:07.54 | schumaml | provided that it is a) yours or b) you got premission to do so |
| 18:07.56 | chunmun | passes around some cold chocolates and cookies :) |
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| 18:08.02 | Niks | yup |
| 18:08.08 | fortyseventeen | no more comments. they say no news is good news, right? |
| 18:08.11 | ArthurLiu | Niks, you can "Create a New Document" and make it publicly visible also I think |
| 18:08.18 | geoaxis | and i thought i would be able to get off early for an afterwork |
| 18:08.29 | riot | oh well.. ok.. i just read that tiny paragraph :) |
| 18:08.41 | riot | they're mentoring under the PSF... |
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| 18:09.02 | schumaml | can see lh hovering over the +m button |
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| 18:09.48 | chunmun | waves to webchick |
| 18:09.52 | p_l | it's the giant red +m button |
| 18:09.58 | *** part/#gsoc amitav (n=amitav@122.50.140.172) |
| 18:09.59 | Ivanovic | is busy relaxing and considers going to the fridge for another beer before starting to wade through many applications... |
| 18:10.03 | riot | she's wandered off, she sure didn't take any +m button with her... |
| 18:10.17 | borja | is doing some pre-deadline application-wading |
| 18:10.18 | madrazr | !next | dr__house |
| 18:10.19 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 18:10.20 | chunmun | riot: unless its bluetooth enabled :P |
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| 18:10.24 | riot | chunmun: hehe |
| 18:10.25 | Niks | @all check proposal posted on http://gsocapp.blogspot.com/ |
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| 18:10.50 | ArthurLiu | Niks, we're not your mentors, there's not much we can do at this point.. |
| 18:10.54 | dr__house | !next |
| 18:10.54 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 18:10.57 | Ivanovic | why bluetooth?!? at google they for sure do have some cables... |
| 18:11.32 | lut4rp | 802.11n FTW! |
| 18:11.35 | lut4rp | :P |
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| 18:12.19 | zooko | Folks: a student submitted a proposal to my project (Tahoe) to integrate Tahoe with a revision control tool. Can I somehow cause his proposal to also be submitted to the Mercurial org? |
| 18:12.28 | chunmun | lut4rp: cost cutting.. recession remember :P |
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| 18:12.43 | lut4rp | chunmun, :) |
| 18:12.48 | riot | zooko: advise him to do that, maybe he reads it in time. |
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| 18:13.06 | ajuonline | dr__house: dude ;) |
| 18:13.16 | zooko | No, he had to go to class. |
| 18:13.30 | zooko | Can I submit it for him using my Mentor Powers? |
| 18:13.30 | ajuonline | only 587 nicks |
| 18:13.32 | dr__house | ajuonline: heya! |
| 18:13.35 | lut4rp | chunmun, Drupal this year again? |
| 18:13.49 | madrazr | ajuonline: how many do you want? |
| 18:13.53 | madrazr | ;-) |
| 18:13.58 | nerus | chunmun: u are very popular it seems :P |
| 18:14.08 | ajuonline | nerus: chunmun is hot. |
| 18:14.23 | nerus | ajuonline: he is sitting next to me actually :P |
| 18:14.25 | geoaxis | any one from Brekman center here |
| 18:14.28 | chunmun | lut4rp:nops :P geeklog |
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| 18:14.32 | geoaxis | or any one applying to them |
| 18:14.35 | ajuonline | nerus: so you know. i have just met him once. |
| 18:14.39 | chunmun | ajuonline: nerus gave you the answer :P |
| 18:14.41 | lut4rp | chunmun, ahh. Good luck |
| 18:14.50 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.51 | nerus | chunmun is getting an SOC whatever happens :P |
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| 18:14.59 | ankitg | geoaxis: I am applying to Berkman .. what's up? |
| 18:15.00 | nerus | atleast i think so :D |
| 18:15.08 | chunmun | nerus: duh! :( |
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| 18:15.11 | riot | GAH, why is this proposal editor only accepting html? i didn't format it that way |
| 18:15.18 | riot | it looks totally ugly now :( |
| 18:15.22 | SRabbelier | 5503 applications, yay! |
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| 18:15.28 | mbellido | _xtian: hello christiano |
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| 18:15.32 | mercurysquad | damn, 400 apps in last 2 hours |
| 18:15.37 | chunmun | SRabbelier: and counting.. :) |
| 18:15.38 | lut4rp | crazy... |
| 18:15.42 | borja | SRabbelier: woo! |
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| 18:15.45 | geoaxis | ankitg: hi, well just wanted to share my proposal (an attempt of it) http://code.hatimonline.com/soc2009.html |
| 18:15.49 | mercurysquad | there's still 45 min to go |
| 18:16.00 | SRabbelier | chunmun: indeed! |
| 18:16.01 | mercurysquad | my guess 5650 |
| 18:16.04 | nerus | chunmun: dont put scene da |
| 18:16.13 | insane | ping onet.pl |
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| 18:16.42 | mercurysquad | anyway i'm off for now. goodluck to all applicants [including me ;D ] |
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| 18:17.07 | deltazero | hi, the deadline has passwed now right? |
| 18:17.14 | kumarabhi | whats 5650? total no, of apps submitted? |
| 18:17.15 | Corsix | not yet |
| 18:17.17 | Corsix | 40 mins to go |
| 18:17.21 | MattDanger | !deadline |
| 18:17.21 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 18:17.22 | nielsgl | Hm is it not possible to upload a proposal in pdf format? |
| 18:17.23 | mmadia | out of curiousity, after april 15th, how long can the mentors and admins view our organizations project proposals? |
| 18:17.26 | MattDanger | !timeline |
| 18:17.26 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:17.29 | kumarabhi | deltazero:not yet |
| 18:17.29 | chunmun | !next |
| 18:17.29 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:17.31 | deltazero | thanks |
| 18:17.33 | SRabbelier | kumarabhi: atm there's 5503 apps submitted in total |
| 18:17.34 | MattDanger | thanks heh |
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| 18:17.45 | mdc | 45 minutes to go |
| 18:17.56 | ankitg | geoaxis: seems pretty thorough ... though I am applying for Media Cloud, so not much overlap, haven't looked at the other projects as closely .... |
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| 18:18.39 | geoaxis | ankitg: well i need to add meat to the application ..ie do some actual coding |
| 18:18.46 | MMlosh | I'm sure it will go over 6000 |
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| 18:18.57 | t0ms | I think it will be close to 7000 |
| 18:19.06 | poona | ankitg: are you the same ankitg from gsoc 2008? |
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| 18:19.14 | ankitg | geoaxis: I submitted something not so substansive ... |
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| 18:19.34 | ankitg | poona ... how's your job going? RSA? |
| 18:19.49 | geoaxis | ankitg: did you get to talk to any one (mentors) |
| 18:19.51 | ankitg | geoaxis: opps meant to paste this :: http://ankitguglani.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/setting-media-cloud-afloat.pdf |
| 18:20.02 | poona | ankitg: hehe. fine. nothing really interesting. applying as a mentor or a student? |
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| 18:20.02 | geoaxis | i am afraid i didn't |
| 18:20.23 | poona | ankitg: and yes. i am still at RSA |
| 18:20.24 | ankitg | geoaxis: yep, caught one briefly ... wasn't able to get too much out of him ... |
| 18:20.38 | Emmanuel | geoaxis: not cool... |
| 18:20.43 | ankitg | poona: applying this year? (or are you even a student?) |
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| 18:21.01 | ankitg | Emmanuel: not his fault ... the mentors were rarely online |
| 18:21.07 | Emmanuel | argh |
| 18:21.08 | poona | ankitg: out of college. what about you? |
| 18:21.31 | ankitg | Emmanuel: I hear you in the US ... so I am guessing A*Star didn't pan out ... |
| 18:21.34 | geoaxis | Emmanuel: not talking to mentors or my proposal (or both) |
| 18:21.48 | nerd_boy | !timeline |
| 18:21.48 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:21.55 | ankitg | poona: last year ... applying for masters though ... |
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| 18:22.13 | poona | nice |
| 18:22.14 | devvrat | population about to reach 600 :) |
| 18:22.15 | Emmanuel | ankitg & geoaxis: google expect that the mentors be available for the students, if they are not, you can report them! |
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| 18:22.43 | lh | go #gsoc go |
| 18:22.50 | ankitg | Emmanuel: not so much ... they are participating first time ... |
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| 18:23.02 | chunmun | rushes to help some friends with some last minute soc apping :P |
| 18:23.34 | Emmanuel | did they at least answered your emails? |
| 18:23.39 | BCarlyon|Server | lh I'm done! |
| 18:23.40 | BCarlyon|Server | WOOT! |
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| 18:23.50 | fortyseventeen | huzzah |
| 18:24.06 | fortyseventeen | kbheadman saves the day. |
| 18:24.12 | lh | BCarlyon|Server: excellent. now relax please. |
| 18:24.13 | BCarlyon|Server | Was done a few hours ago rofl |
| 18:24.18 | dr__house | !count |
| 18:24.18 | socinfo | Error: "count" is not a valid command. |
| 18:24.21 | BCarlyon|Server | But I like panicing! |
| 18:24.25 | fortyseventeen | !countdown |
| 18:24.26 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 18:24.30 | dr__house | !appcount |
| 18:24.31 | socinfo | Error: "appcount" is not a valid command. |
| 18:24.32 | lh | BCarlyon|Server: have some tea. stop panicking, it helps no one. |
| 18:24.38 | BCarlyon|Server | starts to panic again and runs around, he trips over lh's soap box |
| 18:24.39 | lh | we do not have automatic app count |
| 18:24.40 | lh | so stop |
| 18:24.47 | dr__house | lh: sorry :) |
| 18:24.59 | lh | stuffs BCarlyon|Server into soap box, let's him out to sit on free couch provides he promises to chill out |
| 18:25.02 | ravenlock | sorry if this is FAQ... can we allow a user to update their proposal after the deadline? |
| 18:25.03 | lh | dr__house: all good |
| 18:25.04 | bwinton | !panic |
| 18:25.04 | socinfo | Error: "panic" is not a valid command. |
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| 18:25.11 | BCarlyon|Server | chills |
| 18:25.17 | ankitg | bwinton: =) |
| 18:25.19 | lh | ravenlock: they can update comments and externally linked resources not app content itself |
| 18:25.19 | poona | it is amazing to see lh once again in this irc. after a whole year. |
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| 18:25.23 | lut4rp | saves BCarlyon|Server from frostbite |
| 18:25.29 | BCarlyon|Server | ROFL |
| 18:25.32 | ravenlock | lh: kk. thanks. |
| 18:25.32 | lut4rp | :D |
| 18:25.35 | lh | poona: i never left. except for november and december. i hibernate sometimes. |
| 18:25.38 | lh | ravenlock: np |
| 18:25.47 | BCarlyon|Server | Can we alias !panic to: go sit on the couch with BCarlyon|Server! |
| 18:26.13 | *** part/#gsoc poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) |
| 18:26.21 | kalila | Is there something to sending an application beyond having them listed in the "list my prposals" page? |
| 18:26.29 | lh | SRabbelier: can we get an updated app count if you are not too busy |
| 18:26.35 | SRabbelier | Kai Blin: nope |
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| 18:26.53 | SRabbelier | lh: all I have to do to get an app count is hit 'up' and 'enter' :P |
| 18:26.55 | SRabbelier | 5568 |
| 18:27.03 | nielsgl | SRabbelier: isn't it possible to upload a pdf version of the proposal? |
| 18:27.08 | lh | SRabbelier: woot. |
| 18:27.25 | ArthurLiu | 36 proposals, up from 24 this morning (12 hours before), including 3 we'd like to take. Amazing.. |
| 18:27.26 | *** part/#gsoc mdiggory_ (n=mdiggory@cpe-76-176-188-137.san.res.rr.com) |
| 18:27.34 | zooko | Any ideas on "cross-listing" this student's project under Mercurial without the student's help, since he had to go to class? |
| 18:27.46 | kitallis | RQ kalila's query : Is there something to sending an application beyond having them listed in the "list my prposals" page? |
| 18:27.54 | SRabbelier | nielsgl: you can always put it up on Google Sites or such and then link to it in your proposal (that's what I did last year) |
| 18:27.59 | td123 | I hope I get accepted for my KDE proposal :D |
| 18:28.01 | lh | kitallis: nope that's it |
| 18:28.07 | [Evan] | @Arthur What org are you with? |
| 18:28.07 | kitallis | lh: ok :) |
| 18:28.09 | lh | ArthurLiu: that is great news! |
| 18:28.20 | td123 | ArthurLiu: what project? |
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| 18:28.27 | geoaxis | ArthurLiu: which org? |
| 18:28.35 | borja | We now have more applications than last year... w00t! |
| 18:28.47 | ArthurLiu | Debian Project |
| 18:28.49 | BCarlyon|Server | YAY! |
| 18:28.53 | td123 | ArthurLiu: nice |
| 18:29.03 | lh | does the woot for debian dance |
| 18:29.03 | BCarlyon|Server | sipis his tea on the couch |
| 18:29.07 | geoaxis | ArthurLiu: neat, atleast one was from a friend of mine |
| 18:29.21 | td123 | sips his shin big bowl soup in his chair |
| 18:29.25 | borja | clarifies the "we" is his project (Globus) not all GSoC |
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| 18:29.40 | BCarlyon|Server | Nice borja congrats |
| 18:29.41 | nerus | !next |
| 18:29.41 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 18:29.53 | geoaxis | ArthurLiu: would you be attending debconf this year (one in spain in July), i am wondering if its worth it for a non-debian developer |
| 18:29.53 | DrJoel | wonders if any students applied from the two universities he visited |
| 18:29.58 | lh | makes coffee, tea, pastries for the channel, watches the madness |
| 18:30.03 | lh | DrJoel: we shall have stats |
| 18:30.24 | geoaxis | DrJoel: which ones? |
| 18:30.24 | SRabbelier | lh: they shall be more speedy than last year! :P |
| 18:30.24 | lh | not soon, but we shall have stats |
| 18:30.26 | DrJoel | lh: i know.. impatient waiting.. |
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| 18:30.28 | lut4rp | 30 minutes! |
| 18:30.32 | nopper | 29 |
| 18:30.37 | ArthurLiu | geoaxis, I am, as Debian GSoC admin |
| 18:30.39 | lh | predicts a landslide of apps from unis that had infosessions and personal visits |
| 18:30.43 | ArthurLiu | I'm going to give a panel with our 2009 GSoC students |
| 18:30.43 | td123 | DrJoel: what universities did you visit? |
| 18:30.43 | lh | SRabbelier: they shall |
| 18:30.46 | kalila | anyone please? how to submit a prposal to the org after hitting the "submit" button on the form - is there more to it? |
| 18:30.52 | *** part/#gsoc alu (n=nuge@unaffiliated/alu) |
| 18:30.57 | DrJoel | utc.edu and uah.edu -- Uni TN at Chattanooga and Uni AL in Huntsville.. if none from UAH we blame Todd Larsen |
| 18:30.58 | td123 | kalila: no |
| 18:31.01 | BCarlyon|Server | kalila, no |
| 18:31.04 | [Evan] | @kalila Nope. |
| 18:31.07 | lh | kalila: no that's all you need to do. if you are nervous, click on list my student proposals and confirm it is there |
| 18:31.08 | SRabbelier | kalila: your question got answered |
| 18:31.13 | nielsgl | SRabbelier: you mean just copy/paste a url to the pdf in the content field ? |
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| 18:31.23 | SRabbelier | kalila: feel free to read the replies to your questions ;) |
| 18:31.26 | td123 | SRabbelier: you mean, you just got served... right? :D |
| 18:31.29 | SRabbelier | nielsgl: no, in the additional info field |
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| 18:31.37 | nielsgl | ah okey |
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| 18:31.40 | BCarlyon|Server | slaps td123, |
| 18:31.42 | SRabbelier | td123: I plead the fifth |
| 18:31.47 | BCarlyon|Server | td123, you got server! |
| 18:31.52 | kalila | thanks a lot guys! |
| 18:31.52 | BCarlyon|Server | td123, you got servered! |
| 18:31.53 | td123 | SRabbelier: I plead the 2nd |
| 18:32.01 | SRabbelier | td123: what's that one? |
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| 18:32.16 | SRabbelier | td123: right ot bear arms? 0.o |
| 18:32.28 | td123 | SRabbelier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution |
| 18:32.29 | BCarlyon|Server | My arms are bear! |
| 18:32.34 | fortyseventeen | but I want lizard arms. |
| 18:32.35 | *** part/#gsoc linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) |
| 18:32.40 | sfb | takes his shirt off? |
| 18:32.45 | SRabbelier | td123: violant bastid! |
| 18:32.47 | BCarlyon|Server | sfb NO! |
| 18:32.49 | td123 | :D |
| 18:33.01 | pushkalcodes | : Gimme 600 ! go #gsoc ! |
| 18:33.07 | lh | everyone leave your clothes on. this is a family channel. |
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| 18:33.09 | geoaxis | i have one complain about the appspot page though, it's java script makes my firefox crawl |
| 18:33.10 | SRabbelier | pushkalcodes: lol :) |
| 18:33.23 | BCarlyon|Server | lh but I came in naked...... |
| 18:33.25 | lh | advocates changing into swim gear for the upcoming champagne victory bath though |
| 18:33.26 | BCarlyon|Server | I joke |
| 18:33.27 | geoaxis | i think its firefox to blame (on ubuntu, really crappy performance) |
| 18:33.27 | td123 | well gl everyone with your proposals, hope mine gets accepted though :D |
| 18:33.29 | lh | BCarlyon|Server: not appropriate |
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| 18:33.33 | Alex_GenMAPP | just joined... this is the gsoc irc, right?? :) |
| 18:33.33 | SRabbelier | holy boop |
| 18:33.34 | lh | td123: that's nice of you to say |
| 18:33.35 | SRabbelier | 36 QPS |
| 18:33.38 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP: indeed |
| 18:33.41 | the9a3eedi | say I was working on a personal project on C. And at some point it got deleted by accident. and I'd like to mention it for my application to show that I have an interest/experience in C |
| 18:33.42 | cristi | 1 mississipi, 2 mississipi, ... |
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| 18:33.44 | SRabbelier | 36 people going *poke* at the server each second 0.o |
| 18:33.48 | BCarlyon|Server | I came in wearing GeekWear |
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| 18:33.51 | the9a3eedi | since it got deleted, there's no real way to reproduce it. |
| 18:33.55 | BCarlyon|Server | And last years summer of code shirt |
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| 18:33.58 | lh | SRabbelier: push up and refresh dude |
| 18:33.59 | SRabbelier | the9a3eedi: |
| 18:33.59 | the9a3eedi | so is it better to not mention it at all? |
| 18:34.00 | sfb | Hi geoaxis! |
| 18:34.04 | SRabbelier | the9a3eedi: you can always mention it :) |
| 18:34.10 | geoaxis | hey sfb, |
| 18:34.13 | lh | the9a3eedi: did you just email me re: missing app? |
| 18:34.16 | MMlosh | geoaxis: you can disable it... or it's broken then? |
| 18:34.21 | SRabbelier | the9a3eedi: there's easy ways to verify if whaty ou're saying is true |
| 18:34.23 | thiago_home | the9a3eedi: no one is going to believe a project that got deleted, just don't mention it. |
| 18:34.27 | SRabbelier | 5627 |
| 18:34.27 | sfb | geoaxis: What are you applying for this year? Do yo mind my asking? |
| 18:34.30 | the9a3eedi | lh: no? |
| 18:34.34 | chunmun | just submitted a very hurried proposal for a friend who is traveling rt now :( |
| 18:34.34 | lh | the9a3eedi: good |
| 18:34.36 | thiago_home | the9a3eedi: that's different from saying that you were working for a paid project and you can't show it |
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| 18:34.52 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: why is it? |
| 18:34.55 | geoaxis | sfb, http://code.hatimonline.com/soc2009.html |
| 18:34.58 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: if you've got the experience to back it |
| 18:35.01 | thiago_home | the9a3eedi: and, next time, use version control and backups :-) |
| 18:35.09 | amit8-88 | !next |
| 18:35.09 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:35.10 | sayno2war | ok i summited my proposal and when i click on the list my student proposal there is proposal...so i think my proposal has been accepted..rite..?? |
| 18:35.12 | thiago_home | SRabbelier: because it sounds like "the cat ate my homework" |
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| 18:35.28 | lh | 25 minutes folks |
| 18:35.28 | sfb | geoaxis: It's too bad we couldn't have you back at OpenNMS this year. |
| 18:35.34 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: but in this case you can recite your homework, :P |
| 18:35.36 | geoaxis | i was breting my self with ruby on rails any way ...so decided to make it formal |
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| 18:36.23 | sayno2war | ok i summited my proposal and when i click on the list my student proposal there is my proposal with the topic and organization name...so i think my proposal has been accepted..rite..?? |
| 18:36.34 | geoaxis | sfb, oh i would still be working on ONMS a bit |
| 18:36.37 | thiago_home | the9a3eedi: my point is: if your reason sounds like an excuse, you're better off not mentioning. |
| 18:36.44 | ajuonline | !deadline |
| 18:36.45 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 18:36.46 | chunmun | sayno2war: submitted, yes |
| 18:36.47 | lh | sayno2war: it has been submitted. you find out accepted on 20 April |
| 18:36.57 | ajuonline | !extension |
| 18:36.57 | socinfo | "extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period. |
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| 18:37.04 | geoaxis | sfb, lets see if i can jam with nethinks.com for my thesis |
| 18:37.07 | sayno2war | lh: thnks |
| 18:37.09 | chunmun | ajuonline: chill :) |
| 18:37.12 | lh | sayno2war: yw |
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| 18:37.19 | lh | ajuonline: it's not going to happen ajay |
| 18:37.27 | ArthurLiu | I think I'm going to win a few beers over bets on deadline or no deadline :) |
| 18:37.28 | geoaxis | sfb, what brings you here |
| 18:37.54 | sadsadasd | hi evereyone. the 'list my student proposals' shows my proposal. do i have to do more to submit it ? |
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| 18:38.01 | BCarlyon|Server | we regret to inform you the deadline was a week ago kthxbai |
| 18:38.11 | SRabbelier | BCarlyon|Server: brilliant |
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| 18:38.15 | BCarlyon|Server | sadsadasd, no |
| 18:38.15 | getxsick | hi, what does mean 'subscribe to updates' on the proposal site? |
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| 18:38.28 | sadsadasd | thank you BCarlyon|Server |
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| 18:38.35 | sadsadasd | getxsick, be notified if someone reviews it (say a mentor) |
| 18:38.35 | BCarlyon|Server | sadsadasd, :-) |
| 18:38.36 | koopersmith | getxsick: it means that you'll get all comments in an email |
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| 18:38.39 | SRabbelier | contemplates socinfo: forget extension socinfo: learn extension as You have been banned from #gsoc for asking, ktnbxbye |
| 18:38.44 | lh | getxsick: read users guide |
| 18:38.46 | lh | !userguide |
| 18:38.47 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 18:38.48 | BCarlyon|Server | Rofl |
| 18:39.02 | chunmun | its getting crazier in here by the minute! |
| 18:39.12 | BCarlyon|Server | Same as last year chunmun |
| 18:39.14 | lh | koopersmith: sort of. you get email only if you have no other unread notifications |
| 18:39.19 | sfb | geoaxis: I'm still here trying to be helpful. |
| 18:39.20 | lh | it's calmer than last year |
| 18:39.26 | lh | sfb: and thank you for that. |
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| 18:39.32 | sfb | geoaxis: mhuot and I applied for OpenNMS and I applied for another project called NeL. |
| 18:39.58 | koopersmith | lh: ah. I was just assuming that it was a regular feed. |
| 18:40.01 | SRabbelier | speaking of calmer, 5648, looks like we're not going to go for 6k :P |
| 18:40.05 | lh | koopersmith: no no |
| 18:40.14 | rx861 | i applied for OpenNMS too |
| 18:40.14 | scorche|sh | lh: certainly is |
| 18:40.18 | lh | SRabbelier: if we make 5700 i am happy |
| 18:40.28 | lh | scorche|sh: we need more caffeine |
| 18:40.29 | sfb | geoaxis: You see that they're working real hard on finishing up the DAO work so they can get the ACEGI ACLs in? |
| 18:40.29 | sfb | geoaxis: That means, I'm certain, your 2008 GSoC work is being put to work. (= |
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| 18:40.38 | scorche|sh | lh: i disagree...i like i calmer |
| 18:40.41 | koopersmith | lh: i did know enough to click it though :P |
| 18:40.42 | scorche|sh | last year was horrid |
| 18:40.44 | geoaxis | sfb: actually i had some idea about integration of NS3 with ONMS |
| 18:40.45 | SRabbelier | lh: I need it to be 5757, cos that's a cool number |
| 18:40.51 | lh | scorche|sh: i do too, but i like seeing if i can keep up with it |
| 18:40.54 | getxsick | how many students were last year? |
| 18:40.55 | sfb | rx861: I applied as the org admin, not a student. |
| 18:40.56 | SRabbelier | lh: or... 5775 of course |
| 18:40.57 | lh | SRabbelier: that is a cool # |
| 18:41.08 | lh | koopersmith: that's good. |
| 18:41.14 | aoszkar | !next |
| 18:41.14 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:41.14 | SRabbelier | lh: 37QPS too :| |
| 18:41.20 | scorche|sh | lh: i can bring a couple of bots in here asking FAQ stuff if you prefer and constantly doing !next |
| 18:41.23 | geoaxis | sfb: well my work was more about making SQL queries in HQL |
| 18:41.25 | koopersmith | is waiting for someone to enter #gsoc and spam !extension |
| 18:41.26 | SRabbelier | chill out all you crazy <censzored>! |
| 18:41.26 | lh | SRabbelier: and we haven't fallen over, died or gotten ill. |
| 18:41.26 | lh | woot |
| 18:41.37 | chunmun | passes extra strong coffee to lh and mentors |
| 18:41.38 | SRabbelier | lh: in fact, we're at 11% capacity :P |
| 18:41.40 | lh | scorche|sh: that's ok, i am not that interested in knowing how well i can scale |
| 18:41.43 | lh | chunmun: thanks |
| 18:41.44 | geoaxis | sfb: I was already given basic DAOs to work with |
| 18:41.44 | Fingolfin | koopersmith: tempting :) |
| 18:41.45 | lh | SRabbelier: that's not bad |
| 18:42.03 | chunmun | passes cold chocolates to applicants to chill them off |
| 18:42.03 | sfb | geoaxis: NS3? |
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| 18:42.08 | SRabbelier | lh: not bad? it's brilliant :D |
| 18:42.15 | ajuonline | lh: have you taken out the extra pair of hands yet? for typing? |
| 18:42.15 | geoaxis | sfb: netwrok simulation tool |
| 18:42.18 | lh | SRabbelier: i am happy |
| 18:42.21 | chunmun | serves cookies to all :P |
| 18:42.22 | warren | Hmmm, can a project ultimately have multiple mentors, or just one? |
| 18:42.22 | lh | ajuonline: nah just need these |
| 18:42.24 | BCarlyon|Server | eats the cold choclate and goes loopy and starts bouncing on the sofa |
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| 18:42.31 | sfb | geoaxis: Oh, that would be very nifty. |
| 18:42.32 | lh | warren: as many mentors as you'd like |
| 18:42.35 | lh | BCarlyon|Server: chill |
| 18:42.42 | chunmun | ajuonline: lh uses google labs type while you think :P |
| 18:42.47 | geoaxis | lanjoe9: ping |
| 18:42.47 | BCarlyon|Server | I am lh just messing :-) |
| 18:42.52 | scorche|sh | <socinfo> You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. |
| 18:42.53 | lanjoe9 | geoaxis, pong |
| 18:42.55 | lh | BCarlyon|Server: i know |
| 18:42.55 | scorche|sh | =( |
| 18:42.58 | scorche|sh | socinfo: dont hate |
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| 18:43.13 | lut4rp | hah |
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| 18:43.28 | BCarlyon|Server | hugs socinfo and strokes it and hugs it lots and lots and lots! |
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| 18:43.31 | geoaxis | sfb: well i discussed it with the gang, its applications are limited |
| 18:43.33 | lh | looks threateningly at socinfo for it's treatment of scorche|sh |
| 18:43.35 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: what were you trying to do with it? |
| 18:43.40 | SRabbelier | BCarlyon|Server: no heavy petting! |
| 18:43.43 | scorche|sh | SRabbelier: find a lost factoid |
| 18:43.54 | BCarlyon|Server | back later all good luck |
| 18:43.54 | SRabbelier | scorche|sh: lol :) |
| 18:44.03 | scorche|sh | socinfo: dont ignore me! =< |
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| 18:44.11 | lanjoe9 | :D |
| 18:44.20 | chunmun | socinfo also needs some caffeine :P |
| 18:44.20 | socinfo | Error: "also" is not a valid command. |
| 18:44.21 | lh | !userguide |
| 18:44.22 | geoaxis | sfb: although i am still interested in network management, i have been more interested in application architechture |
| 18:44.22 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 18:44.27 | SRabbelier | we're at 5667 |
| 18:44.29 | SRabbelier | also a cute number |
| 18:44.33 | chunmun | !botsnack |
| 18:44.33 | socinfo | "botsnack" is rut roh raggy |
| 18:44.36 | EricJ | !next |
| 18:44.36 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:44.37 | disismt | is a is a is |
| 18:44.40 | scorche|sh | the number of applications must be prime |
| 18:44.41 | disismt | s/is/in |
| 18:44.45 | disismt | s/is/in |
| 18:44.50 | disismt | s/is/in/ |
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| 18:44.57 | SRabbelier | fail |
| 18:45.00 | disismt | is a is a is |
| 18:45.03 | EricJ | Oh. Another 15min left. |
| 18:45.06 | disismt | s/is/in/ |
| 18:45.07 | literal | SRabbelier: and the number of students? |
| 18:45.07 | SRabbelier | disismt: stop it please |
| 18:45.11 | geoaxis | so tinkering with an integration project didn't appeal me as much ...this time i have a chance of doing start to end application development, which is always fun |
| 18:45.17 | lh | omg. |
| 18:45.19 | lh | what the hell. |
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| 18:45.26 | chunmun | lh: ? |
| 18:45.27 | eliel | Hello, We will receive a rejected or accepted status for our applications within the next 2 weeks or we won't know if they get accepted until 20 april? |
| 18:45.33 | geoaxis | lanjoe9: posted your proposal some where public? |
| 18:45.34 | lh | just latest post to discussion list |
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| 18:45.40 | lh | both just what the hell |
| 18:45.41 | lh | archives |
| 18:45.42 | SRabbelier | literal: 3370 |
| 18:45.46 | literal | SRabbelier: cool |
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| 18:45.56 | lh | eliel: find out on 20 april |
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| 18:46.08 | lh | 7 more and we break 600 nicks in here |
| 18:46.10 | lh | where is the love |
| 18:46.11 | lh | ?? |
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| 18:46.37 | eliel | lh: uuh, thanks |
| 18:46.41 | lh | eliel: yw |
| 18:46.47 | eliel | is not going to sleep till 20 april |
| 18:46.57 | chunmun | passes loads of love and hugs and cheers around the channel :) |
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| 18:46.58 | lh | eliel: try chamomile tea |
| 18:47.02 | z3r0 | lh: any final last minute interesting stats? |
| 18:47.03 | lh | chunmun: danke |
| 18:47.11 | eliel | lh: he, I will try |
| 18:47.11 | SRabbelier | z3r0: what'd you like to know? |
| 18:47.12 | lh | z3r0: # of cups of coffee i have had today, 4. |
| 18:47.21 | literal | lh: is the discussion list on Google groups? |
| 18:47.22 | fortyseventeen | eliel: it helps to talk with mentors during that time as well |
| 18:47.27 | lh | literal: yes |
| 18:47.29 | lh | !lists |
| 18:47.29 | socinfo | Error: "lists" is not a valid command. |
| 18:47.35 | brix__ | I can not find the link for submitting my proposal. Where should I be looking? |
| 18:47.38 | lh | !discussion |
| 18:47.39 | socinfo | Error: "discussion" is not a valid command. |
| 18:47.41 | tuxmaniac | !list |
| 18:47.41 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 18:47.49 | venkat119 | !lists |
| 18:47.49 | socinfo | Error: "lists" is not a valid command. |
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| 18:47.52 | typ0 | votes on extension :) |
| 18:47.55 | SRabbelier | brix__: read the userguide |
| 18:47.56 | Ivanovic | eliel: you should *not* sleep over the next two weeks |
| 18:47.57 | SRabbelier | !userguide |
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| 18:47.57 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 18:47.59 | z3r0 | isnt impressed |
| 18:48.00 | lut4rp | 12 minutes! |
| 18:48.07 | Ivanovic | your possible mentors will most likely post comments and expect some reaction |
| 18:48.10 | MMlosh | typ0: NEVER! :D |
| 18:48.12 | lh | brix__: look for guide for students |
| 18:48.14 | SRabbelier | typ0: I vote for... a /kick for anyone mentioning the word extension! :D |
| 18:48.15 | eliel | fortyseventeen: yes, i am always talking with mentors, but i need google's "ok" to sleep :) |
| 18:48.26 | lh | google says you should sleep. |
| 18:48.28 | lh | there you go. |
| 18:48.28 | SRabbelier | typ0: ir at least a whap on the head :P |
| 18:48.31 | Ivanovic | google say: don't sleep, click on ads! |
| 18:48.36 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:48.40 | z3r0 | I vote for earlier replies from organisation, i NEED to know ! |
| 18:48.44 | eliel | hehe |
| 18:48.51 | lh | z3r0: this is not a democracy my friend. |
| 18:48.56 | brix__ | I have... it says that there should be a link called Submit your Student Proposal, but I dont know where |
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| 18:49.07 | DrJoel | needs a napp |
| 18:49.13 | sadsadasd | brick__, http://socghop.appspot.com ? |
| 18:49.18 | sadsadasd | brix__, * |
| 18:49.19 | sadsadasd | sorry |
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| 18:49.21 | lh | DrJoel: me too |
| 18:49.23 | chunmun | brix__:http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/list_orgs/google/gsoc2009/YOUR_GOOGLE_USERNAME_HERE |
| 18:49.27 | PearlJam | do a CTRL + F and type Submit my proposal. |
| 18:49.28 | Traveleraa | something going on here? |
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| 18:49.38 | Khetu | brix__: make sure you're a user and registered as a student |
| 18:49.41 | DrJoel | lh: did you see the storms we had here last night? |
| 18:49.51 | lh | DrJoel: no i did not |
| 18:49.52 | chunmun | brix__,: hurry up buddy.. u ve some 10 mins to go |
| 18:49.53 | lh | all well? |
| 18:50.02 | Khetu | 10m, wooo |
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| 18:50.08 | kitallis | lol |
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| 18:50.27 | aoszkar | !next |
| 18:50.27 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
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| 18:50.34 | nielsgl | wohoo im done! |
| 18:50.42 | mixrin | nielsgl, congratz |
| 18:50.45 | kitallis | nielsgl, me neither |
| 18:50.46 | nielsgl | tnx :) |
| 18:50.51 | DrJoel | lh: yes not that it is over.. tornados, sustained 40+mph winds, torrential rains.. I ended up tinkering with out sump pump and a shopvac to get water collected .. a spring project to make sure that doesn't happen again. :( |
| 18:50.55 | devvrat | !next |
| 18:50.55 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:50.59 | MMlosh | how many now? |
| 18:51.04 | devvrat | !next |
| 18:51.04 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:51.04 | codestr0m | Where's the FAQ that shows 1 mentor == 1 student at most? |
| 18:51.18 | chunmun | passes a couch to nielsgl |
| 18:51.20 | thiago_home | codestr0m: that's not a hard rule |
| 18:51.21 | z3r0 | in the FAQs |
| 18:51.25 | thiago_home | codestr0m: it's just a recommendation |
| 18:51.34 | codestr0m | thiago_home: is there a link to that? |
| 18:51.39 | nielsgl | chunmun: that is really appreciated! |
| 18:51.41 | codestr0m | I've seen it many times, but can't remember exactly where |
| 18:51.44 | cristi | tic tac? |
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| 18:51.52 | nielsgl | Wanna drink a beer with me to celebrate? |
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| 18:52.07 | lh | nielsgl: serve 'em up |
| 18:52.10 | MMlosh | codestasher: it's just recommendation.. there are some easier thask when it's ok for mentor to have 3 students |
| 18:52.10 | Alexandru_Criste | hello |
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| 18:52.20 | fortyseventeen | SRabbelier: numbers, numbers. |
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| 18:52.23 | Alexandru_Criste | does anyone knows how many proposals are this year? |
| 18:52.26 | tuxmaniac | !nest |
| 18:52.26 | socinfo | Error: "nest" is not a valid command. |
| 18:52.29 | tuxmaniac | !next |
| 18:52.29 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:52.31 | codestr0m | MMlosh: ok.. well these are Ph.D students :P |
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| 18:53.03 | chunmun | nielsgl: :) |
| 18:53.07 | brix__ | Got it, thanks |
| 18:53.13 | nielsgl | passes a beer to lh and chunmun |
| 18:53.20 | chunmun | nielsgl:thanks :) |
| 18:53.25 | noob | nielsgl, gimme one too |
| 18:53.34 | nielsgl | passes a beer to noob |
| 18:53.38 | noob | :) |
| 18:53.38 | sadsadasd | Did this year have more students applied than last year ? |
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| 18:53.53 | literal | Alexandru_Criste: ~5700 so far |
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| 18:54.06 | sadsadasd | thanks |
| 18:54.11 | nielsgl | so only on 1 get gets chosen :o |
| 18:54.17 | asdlkf | so in the next 5 minutes, 50 seconds it'll probably increment by 30,000,000,000 |
| 18:54.17 | lh | 6 minutes left |
| 18:54.25 | chunmun | sadsadasd: last yr 7000+ |
| 18:54.38 | Khetu | how many in the last 5m last year? :P |
| 18:54.46 | jpirie23 | it's capped this year though right? to 1000 or something |
| 18:54.47 | z3r0 | 5 |
| 18:54.47 | Ivanovic | sees melange crash in 3mins... |
| 18:54.47 | asdlkf | yea, but last year 1200 were accepted |
| 18:54.49 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:54.50 | asdlkf | this year, 1000 |
| 18:54.51 | lh | 1000 yes |
| 18:54.54 | lh | 1175 last year |
| 18:55.02 | too_much_noob | how to do gsoc? |
| 18:55.07 | *** join/#gsoc devilsadvocate (n=devilsad@202.3.77.11) |
| 18:55.08 | fortyseventeen | heh. |
| 18:55.15 | z3r0 | how many people will be around here tomm same time? |
| 18:55.25 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.35 | SRabbelier | 5784 |
| 18:55.38 | SRabbelier | damn |
| 18:55.38 | Khetu | hah |
| 18:55.39 | fargiolas | lh: is it possible to "revoke" a proposal if I find out (within next week) I won't be able to have enough free time to complete the project? |
| 18:55.40 | SRabbelier | no 5775 :( |
| 18:55.40 | chunmun | !faq |
| 18:55.40 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 18:55.48 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.50 | asdlkf | 1175/7000 = .168 1000/5200 = 0.192 |
| 18:55.50 | lh | fargiolas: yes but do it sooner rather than later |
| 18:55.51 | lh | seriously |
| 18:55.55 | lh | go 5800 go |
| 18:55.57 | rx861 | resembles elections |
| 18:56.01 | AlexandreGuedes_ | I recibe any ID or confirmatiom e-mail after submission ? |
| 18:56.04 | asdlkf | oh, 5800... |
| 18:56.05 | Arc | lh: can an appliction be moved between two orgs? ie, PSF to Mercurial? |
| 18:56.11 | sameer_a | !log |
| 18:56.12 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
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| 18:56.17 | asdlkf | 0.172 |
| 18:56.17 | z3r0 | didnt last year have like 7000? |
| 18:56.18 | lh | Arc: does the student agree to this? |
| 18:56.20 | fargiolas | lh: sure, it should be a matter of monday or tuesday |
| 18:56.25 | lh | fargiolas: then yes |
| 18:56.26 | asdlkf | so very slightly better odds this year |
| 18:56.32 | thiago_home | stats on the rush: we received 20% of our applications in the past 12 hours (1/28th of the time, or 3.5%) |
| 18:56.37 | Arc | lh: I've been told such, but I can verify myself |
| 18:56.40 | fargiolas | lh: now delay on the way right? |
| 18:56.45 | fargiolas | s/now/no |
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| 18:56.57 | lh | Arc: ask for help in #melange, think this may be being discussed there now already |
| 18:56.57 | Arc | lh: the student is apparently in class right now and can't reapply to the other org directly |
| 18:56.57 | DrJoel | OMG only 4 minutes... i have a great idea for a web project.. can anyone suggest a project.. i will get the proposal in on time and be the best student you have ever had.. promise .. pinky swear |
| 18:56.57 | *** part/#gsoc bradley_siow (n=Siow@60.53.247.147) |
| 18:57.05 | Arc | lh: thanks! |
| 18:57.08 | lh | fargiolas: i am not sure i understand the question |
| 18:57.14 | lh | Arc: np |
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| 18:57.17 | SRabbelier | hol yboop |
| 18:57.18 | lut4rp | 3 minutes!! |
| 18:57.19 | chunmun | DrJoel: :( |
| 18:57.20 | tuxmaniac | DrJoel: i can suggest a project and be your mentor |
| 18:57.20 | the9a3eedi | 3 minutes before the application deadline |
| 18:57.20 | fargiolas | lh: last year there was an extra week for proposals |
| 18:57.20 | nubee | wat 2 do |
| 18:57.22 | SRabbelier | 5811 |
| 18:57.22 | the9a3eedi | and I finished :3 |
| 18:57.22 | tuxmaniac | DrJoel: quick |
| 18:57.23 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: i have an even better proposal |
| 18:57.27 | lh | puts up sign over free couch |
| 18:57.32 | Ori_B | DrJoel: how about making web 3.0? |
| 18:57.33 | Ivanovic | and i only need a one week extension to get it submitted |
| 18:57.34 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 18:57.34 | lh | "air traffic controller, area 51" |
| 18:57.40 | asdlkf | no no, web 4.0 |
| 18:57.40 | nielsgl | !next |
| 18:57.40 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:57.47 | chunmun | reserves one couch for lh |
| 18:57.47 | fortyseventeen | hides under the cushions. |
| 18:57.48 | nopper | !prev |
| 18:57.48 | socinfo | Error: "prev" is not a valid command. |
| 18:57.49 | lh | fargiolas: yes but 2 weeks total. this year 12 days. |
| 18:57.49 | nopper | :P |
| 18:57.52 | lh | yay couch |
| 18:57.53 | asdlkf | include alians as the protocol stack in web 4.0 |
| 18:57.57 | nubee | !howmanyminutesleft |
| 18:57.58 | socinfo | Error: "howmanyminutesleft" is not a valid command. |
| 18:57.58 | DrJoel | ivan .. how did you know? |
| 18:58.01 | SRabbelier | lh: we has 5811 apps :P |
| 18:58.02 | nielsgl | 2 minutes!! |
| 18:58.03 | asdlkf | 2 minutes |
| 18:58.08 | lh | SRabbelier: woot |
| 18:58.09 | t0ms | !time |
| 18:58.09 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 18:58.11 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: i just know |
| 18:58.21 | asdlkf | 100 seconds |
| 18:58.22 | nielsgl | lh my beer is already almost finished haha |
| 18:58.25 | yangyang | you guys make me nervous |
| 18:58.26 | nielsgl | want another one? |
| 18:58.35 | t0ms | !next |
| 18:58.35 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:58.35 | DrJoel | ivan: I graduated in May and live in Cuba.. am I eligible? |
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| 18:58.39 | SRabbelier | I don't think we'll get 5885 :( |
| 18:58.40 | geoaxis | is it too early to start preparing for google summer of code 2010, i think by next year we would have a bot which would tell us all kinds of stats about the application procedure |
| 18:58.49 | lh | SRabbelier: sok |
| 18:58.56 | tntcoder | goes into stasis till april 20th |
| 18:58.56 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: of course you are allowed in |
| 18:58.57 | SRabbelier | omg |
| 18:58.59 | pushkalcodes | !extend |
| 18:58.59 | *** join/#gsoc Turuk (n=Turuk@wesnoth/forumsith/turuk) |
| 18:58.59 | socinfo | Error: "extend" is not a valid command. |
| 18:59.00 | t0ms | one minute |
| 18:59.01 | Khetu | last 60s :) |
| 18:59.02 | Ivanovic | at least if you are born in iran |
| 18:59.02 | SRabbelier | we're getting 15 proposals per minute :P |
| 18:59.05 | SRabbelier | 5857 |
| 18:59.07 | lanjoe9 | 1 minute countdown |
| 18:59.10 | lh | geoaxis: it is never too early to start prepping |
| 18:59.11 | asdlkf | 50s |
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| 18:59.20 | asdlkf | 40s |
| 18:59.21 | nielsgl | SRabbelier: ill develop the bot who takes over you stats job during gsoc 2010 ;) |
| 18:59.22 | stevenj | the final countdooown |
| 18:59.23 | phrozn1 | omg |
| 18:59.26 | nielsgl | 30 secon! |
| 18:59.27 | borja | hehs at some of the terrible proposals coming in the last minutes |
| 18:59.28 | lh | chillz |
| 18:59.29 | DrJoel | ivan: my parents are from north korea if that helps |
| 18:59.30 | kitallis | oh shit i have 5 spell errors |
| 18:59.30 | t0ms | last 30s |
| 18:59.30 | asdlkf | 30s |
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| 18:59.33 | Ivanovic | wow, the site is *really* slow atm |
| 18:59.34 | phrozn1 | save! :D |
| 18:59.38 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: nah, this does not help |
| 18:59.40 | asdlkf | 20s |
| 18:59.40 | nielsgl | 20 |
| 18:59.40 | rwcr | 40s |
| 18:59.41 | SRabbelier | nielsgl: I'll develop a counter :P |
| 18:59.42 | rwcr | Er, 20. |
| 18:59.42 | Khetu | stevenj: doot-doot-dooo-doooo |
| 18:59.43 | lh | kitallis: less with the swearz please |
| 18:59.46 | yangyang | Good luck to all of us |
| 18:59.47 | nielsgl | SRabbelier: :( |
| 18:59.48 | nielsgl | okay |
| 18:59.50 | t0ms | 10 |
| 18:59.50 | Ivanovic | DrJoel: are at least some of your granparents from iran? |
| 18:59.50 | nielsgl | 10 |
| 18:59.50 | asdlkf | 10s |
| 18:59.51 | tuxmaniac | 10 |
| 18:59.52 | asdlkf | 8 |
| 18:59.53 | hypa7ia | we got 9 proposals in the last 2 hours |
| 18:59.54 | asdlkf | 7 |
| 18:59.54 | vedlith | hahaha |
| 18:59.54 | asdlkf | 6 |
| 18:59.55 | nielsgl | 5 |
| 18:59.55 | rwcr | 5s |
| 18:59.55 | t0ms | 5 |
| 18:59.55 | tuxmaniac | 5 |
| 18:59.55 | rx861 | gl hf |
| 18:59.56 | asdlkf | 5 |
| 18:59.56 | nielsgl | 3 |
| 18:59.56 | vedlith | submited |
| 18:59.56 | sadsadasd | Bye mom, i love you |
| 18:59.57 | tuxmaniac | 4 |
| 18:59.57 | t0ms | 4 |
| 18:59.57 | asdlkf | 4 |
| 18:59.57 | nielsgl | 2 |
| 18:59.57 | t0ms | 3 |
| 18:59.57 | vedlith | :D |
| 18:59.57 | Khetu | 3 |
| 18:59.57 | tuxmaniac | 3 |
| 18:59.58 | nielsgl | 1 |
| 18:59.58 | z3r0 | 4 |
| 18:59.58 | asdlkf | 3 |
| 18:59.58 | devvrat | !next |
| 18:59.58 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 18:59.58 | jpirie23 | lmao |
| 18:59.58 | t0ms | 2 |
| 18:59.58 | davidL | 1 |
| 18:59.58 | tuxmaniac | 2 |
| 18:59.59 | Khetu | 2 |
| 18:59.59 | asdlkf | 2 |
| 18:59.59 | t0ms | 1 |
| 18:59.59 | tntcoder | :) |
| 18:59.59 | z3r0 | 3 |
| 18:59.59 | madrazr | done! |
| 18:59.59 | Khetu | 1 |
| 19:00.00 | tuxmaniac | 1 |
| 19:00.00 | asdlkf | 1 |
| 19:00.00 | z3r0 | 2 |
| 19:00.00 | kitallis | 8 spell errors |
| 19:00.01 | rwcr | TIME! |
| 19:00.01 | z3r0 | 1 |
| 19:00.01 | jpirie23 | rings an ominous bell |
| 19:00.01 | asdlkf | - |
| 19:00.01 | nielsgl | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE |
| 19:00.01 | t0ms | :D |
| 19:00.02 | an10na | ding |
| 19:00.02 | gberdyshev | SUPER NOVA |
| 19:00.02 | tuxmaniac | 0 |
| 19:00.02 | z3r0 | Time! |
| 19:00.03 | lh | hypa7ia: how many were good |
| 19:00.03 | geoaxis | -1 |
| 19:00.04 | Ivanovic | *BOOOOM* |
| 19:00.05 | kitallis | lol |
| 19:00.06 | Khetu | PENCILS DOWN |
| 19:00.06 | pushkalcodes | yay |
| 19:00.06 | geoaxis | -2 |
| 19:00.07 | tntcoder | !next |
| 19:00.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 19:00.08 | PearlJam | lol |
| 19:00.08 | borja | ding ding ding ding ding ding |
| 19:00.09 | geoaxis | -3 |
| 19:00.09 | kitallis | Drugs. |
| 19:00.10 | SRabbelier | The final number is 5887 |
| 19:00.10 | jpirie23 | w00t |
| 19:00.11 | SRabbelier | damn!! |
| 19:00.13 | hypa7ia | lh: haven't started looking yet |
| 19:00.13 | SRabbelier | amazing |
| 19:00.14 | patri | is it over ? |
| 19:00.15 | Khetu | -15 |
| 19:00.15 | vedlith | hia hia hia made it 15 secons earlier |
| 19:00.16 | pushkalcodes | ding ding.. time out !!! |
| 19:00.17 | lanjoe9 | -17 |
| 19:00.17 | the9a3eedi | WHAT |
| 19:00.18 | hypa7ia | just got back from lunch / meeting |
| 19:00.19 | Khetu | lol |
| 19:00.20 | *** mode/#gsoc [+m] by lh |
| 19:00.27 | lh | ok now that that is done |
| 19:00.30 | lh | good lord |
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| 19:00.39 | lh | SRabbelier: final # counts please? |
| 19:00.41 | SRabbelier | I seriously didn't think we'd make the 5885 in under 2 minutes :P |
| 19:00.46 | SRabbelier | 5887 is the final count |
| 19:00.48 | lh | it was worth a try |
| 19:00.51 | lh | kk |
| 19:00.54 | lh | cool |
| 19:00.57 | SRabbelier | contemplates dumping 2 random proposals |
| 19:01.04 | lh | you may go about your regularly scheduled moment |
| 19:01.09 | *** mode/#gsoc [-m] by lh |
| 19:01.10 | tntcoder | STabbelier: how many applicants is that # for |
| 19:01.11 | asdlkf | there were 5.887 proposals per slot |
| 19:01.12 | kitallis | cool |
| 19:01.13 | Alexandru_Criste | woooooow |
| 19:01.13 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 19:01.15 | Alexandru_Criste | :O:O |
| 19:01.20 | SRabbelier | 3497 students applied intotal |
| 19:01.20 | MFreeNet | ahh |
| 19:01.21 | devvrat | !next |
| 19:01.21 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PDT) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx. |
| 19:01.25 | lh | good luck everyone, we've done very very well |
| 19:01.26 | chunmun | cheers all |
| 19:01.27 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget next |
| 19:01.27 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:01.30 | asdlkf | oh, 3497 is a much better number |
| 19:01.31 | Alexandru_Criste | and what is the maximum number of students to be accepted? |
| 19:01.32 | MFreeNet | my proposal dosent accapted 5mins ago? |
| 19:01.36 | asdlkf | cause only 1 app per student can be accepted |
| 19:01.36 | chunmun | passes another round of drinks |
| 19:01.37 | asdlkf | 1000 |
| 19:01.38 | bobbens | make a graphic with proposals/time :) |
| 19:01.39 | MFreeNet | my proposal dosent accapted 5mins ago, what can i do? |
| 19:01.42 | dr__house | SRabbelier: not that bad a number :) |
| 19:01.43 | hwked | i hit submit changes just in time |
| 19:01.45 | hwked | ;) |
| 19:01.46 | nopper | guys don't panic use don't use the elevator |
| 19:01.48 | SRabbelier | dr__house: indeed |
| 19:01.48 | bobbens | it surely spikes at the end |
| 19:01.54 | kitallis | MFreeNet, lol |
| 19:01.56 | nielsgl | chunmun: tnx :) |
| 19:01.59 | yangyang | "This page is inactive at this time. " |
| 19:01.59 | asdlkf | mfreenet: wait 11 months, try again |
| 19:01.59 | abhinav17 | lh: what is the total count on proposals this year? |
| 19:02.00 | rx861 | there is no "List of my proposals" more? |
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| 19:02.02 | fortyseventeen | acceptance rate's about the same, 1 out of 4. |
| 19:02.03 | murph | asdlkf, was 1000 slots an official number? o.o or is that a guess |
| 19:02.06 | phrame | !next |
| 19:02.06 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:02.07 | koopersmith | hwked: nice job ;) |
| 19:02.09 | SRabbelier | looks like Melange worked fine, no new apps coming in :D |
| 19:02.14 | asdlkf | thats from the FAQ |
| 19:02.15 | Alexandru_Criste | =)) |
| 19:02.16 | Corsix | :) |
| 19:02.19 | chunmun | abhinav17:5887 |
| 19:02.21 | *** part/#gsoc warren (n=warren@redhat/wombat/warren) |
| 19:02.28 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget extension |
| 19:02.28 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:02.30 | lh | abhinav17: ask SRabbelier |
| 19:02.35 | abhinav17 | chunmun: thnx |
| 19:02.41 | *** mode/#gsoc [+m] by lh |
| 19:03.03 | *** join/#gsoc Ownatik (n=aiyo@51-151.tr.cgocable.ca) |
| 19:03.05 | lh | folks, i am asking SRabbelier for the final numbers for you but if y'all could be nice and not blog all this until we do our official monday announcement, that'd be plain old grand |
| 19:03.12 | *** mode/#gsoc [-m] by lh |
| 19:03.12 | SRabbelier | abhinav17: as said, total count is 5887 |
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| 19:03.29 | vedlith | 18:59:33.440309 |
| 19:03.30 | vedlith | ehh |
| 19:03.31 | SRabbelier | with 3497 students having applied |
| 19:03.33 | *** part/#gsoc pkaddi (n=phaneend@118.95.8.191) |
| 19:03.42 | Ownatik | applications are closed? |
| 19:03.45 | fortyseventeen | and now I go to take a nap. |
| 19:03.46 | SRabbelier | Ownatik: yes |
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| 19:03.52 | Ownatik | damnn! I just finished to write mine |
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| 19:03.58 | t0ms | where can I find my proposal now? |
| 19:03.58 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Student Applications are now Closed - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged a |
| 19:03.59 | Ownatik | kidding .... :P |
| 19:03.59 | vedlith | good for you! |
| 19:04.06 | ajuonline | i cant even see the list of apps i pushed in |
| 19:04.07 | asdlkf | average 1.683 proposals per student |
| 19:04.14 | kitallis | wtf |
| 19:04.15 | vedlith | now ops can kick and ban! :D |
| 19:04.16 | Ownatik | yeah im over the average! |
| 19:04.20 | Corsix | '...This channel is logged a' |
| 19:04.25 | *** part/#gsoc madrazr (n=Madhusud@unaffiliated/madrazr) |
| 19:04.26 | k_nishant | lh: hello |
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| 19:04.32 | SRabbelier | Corsix: yup, it got lost during an earlier update |
| 19:04.34 | lh | k_nishant: greetings |
| 19:04.35 | SRabbelier | !logs |
| 19:04.35 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 19:04.37 | Corsix | ah, ok |
| 19:04.41 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> Student Applications are now Closed - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:04.42 | *** part/#gsoc jpirie23 (n=jpirie23@137.195.250.2) |
| 19:04.43 | k_nishant | well The list of proposal is not shown in my link |
| 19:04.55 | kumarabhi | chunmun:how many will approximately get through? |
| 19:04.55 | MFreeNet | SRabbelier: i've Error: Server Error :) how can i send my proposal if so this text instead of accepted or what :)? |
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| 19:04.58 | geoaxis | i think i have to move to england now, cause my application says i live in UTC+1, which was correct a month ago |
| 19:04.58 | getxsick | hmmm list of the submitted proposals left? why |
| 19:05.01 | sharpdevelop_ | So did Melange stop accepting proposals at the very second 19:00:00? That is a bit crude to the procerstinating part of students.... |
| 19:05.07 | k_nishant | lh: LIst of student propsal is not showing in my list |
| 19:05.12 | SRabbelier | MFreeNet: I don't understand your question |
| 19:05.12 | sharpdevelop_ | (not really complaing) |
| 19:05.13 | geoaxis | dam benjiman franklin |
| 19:05.17 | SRabbelier | sharpdevelop_: yes it did |
| 19:05.17 | dhaun | vedlith: we can top that: 18:59:54.400576 |
| 19:05.19 | chunmun | sharpdevelop_: deadlines are deadlines |
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| 19:05.22 | MMlosh | lh: is it possible to count students with no application? |
| 19:05.23 | SRabbelier | sharpdevelop_: because we're awesome like that |
| 19:05.24 | scorche|sh | sharpdevelop_: the date/time has been up there for months... |
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| 19:05.32 | lh | MMlosh: yes ask SRabbelier |
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| 19:05.36 | SRabbelier | MMlosh: you mean, the amount of people that signed up as student? |
| 19:05.41 | SRabbelier | MMlosh: counting those as we speak :) |
| 19:05.43 | lh | k_nishant: what is your question?' |
| 19:05.50 | SRabbelier | MMlosh: can't do that incremetnally sadly, so it takes a while |
| 19:05.52 | MFreeNet | SRabbelier: i want to send my proposal about 10 mins ago, but when i hit submit it appers this message Error: Server Error |
| 19:05.57 | vedlith | dhaun: yea I thought so, that with ~-27 secs I wouldnt stand a chance ;/ xDDD |
| 19:05.58 | Ownatik | lol |
| 19:05.59 | Koyla | 596 user and around 56 chatting in this community....GSoC will be biggest hit of this summer...!!! |
| 19:06.03 | SRabbelier | MFreeNet: sorry, apps are closed |
| 19:06.07 | k_nishant | lh: My list of proposal link is not shown in my page |
| 19:06.08 | chunmun | another of my friend missed the deadline :( |
| 19:06.14 | lh | k_nishant: hang on |
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| 19:06.15 | SRabbelier | MFreeNet: you should have not waited till 10 minutes before the deadline |
| 19:06.15 | borja | Please feel free to tell me to RTFM, but will there be a way for our mentors to see only the applications that have been assigned to them? (as opposed to the full list of applications) |
| 19:06.16 | scorche|sh | Koyla: meh...there were more last year |
| 19:06.19 | gchaix | procrastination kills |
| 19:06.21 | lh | folks who are student applications |
| 19:06.25 | SRabbelier | borja: nope, there's not :( |
| 19:06.26 | lh | borja: ask in #melange |
| 19:06.27 | chunmun | k_nishant: its not there anymore for any of students I guess |
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| 19:06.34 | lh | can you still see the view my student proposals link? |
| 19:06.37 | rylz | hmm... so i submitted my app at like 7:00:15 UTC and the page was already disabled |
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| 19:06.40 | Ivanovic | okay, time to read over some applications, cu in "some hours", wish me luck... |
| 19:06.40 | claired | so... my internet connection cut out after I was informed that my abstract was slightly over the required 500 characters... |
| 19:06.42 | borja | SRabbelier: I feel a feature request looming ;-) |
| 19:06.42 | getxsick | lh: no |
| 19:06.42 | MFreeNet | SRabbelier: i want to fill all aeras properly and i'm just got home |
| 19:06.44 | chunmun | lh: no |
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| 19:06.45 | claired | about half an hour ago |
| 19:06.46 | hwked | no, i can't see either |
| 19:06.46 | Corsix | lh: no link |
| 19:06.47 | MMlosh | SRabbelier: reprased - "students with no proposals" |
| 19:06.51 | Corsix | but http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/list_self/google/gsoc2009/corsix works |
| 19:06.51 | ajuonline | lh: no link. |
| 19:06.53 | SRabbelier | borja: indeed |
| 19:06.54 | aoszkar | !next |
| 19:06.54 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:06.55 | lh | ok |
| 19:06.58 | Koyla | scorche|sh: this yr participation decreased r increased..?? |
| 19:07.01 | getxsick | lh: is it fine? |
| 19:07.02 | claired | so my (completed) proposal wasn't able to submit |
| 19:07.04 | lh | k_nishant: this means working as intended |
| 19:07.04 | ajuonline | Koyla: decreasd. |
| 19:07.05 | joeyadams | !next |
| 19:07.05 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:07.06 | phrame | lh: oh man i thought i was screwed. |
| 19:07.07 | SRabbelier | Corsix: ah, so all happened is the link dissapeardeded? |
| 19:07.09 | Ivanovic | claired: clear case of: you should have submitted it earlier |
| 19:07.10 | lh | ok be calm |
| 19:07.12 | lh | be cam |
| 19:07.14 | Corsix | SRabbelier: yes |
| 19:07.14 | phrame | lol, i submitted at 2:59, i thought the system didn't take it. |
| 19:07.15 | rwcr | Koyla: Fewer applicants, more students, fewer slots. |
| 19:07.15 | lh | calm |
| 19:07.15 | scorche|sh | Koyla: unsure...ask someone else...i was referring to IRC activity |
| 19:07.16 | phrozn1 | hey everyone who gets accepted, drop by this channel in the summer and we can chat about our experiences |
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| 19:07.19 | SRabbelier | Corsix: one sec, let me check |
| 19:07.21 | phrame | i'm calm. |
| 19:07.23 | *** mode/#gsoc [+m] by lh |
| 19:07.28 | scorche|sh | lh: you asked for a test! ;) |
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| 19:07.59 | lh | solydzajs: so students cant visit the view my student proposals link now since it is not shown to them |
| 19:08.09 | lh | solydzajs: how do they access proposals to include more comments, etc.? |
| 19:08.11 | SRabbelier | lh: I'm on it |
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| 19:08.21 | SRabbelier | lh: the page still works, just not linked |
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| 19:08.34 | lh | SRabbelier: ok. |
| 19:08.40 | lh | SRabbelier: eta on when it will be visible? |
| 19:08.50 | solydzajs | lh: it's a bug in sidebar, Sverre will fix it and we will deploy it in 10 minutes |
| 19:08.51 | lh | do not break the build! |
| 19:08.56 | lh | solydzajs: awesome |
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| 19:09.06 | lh | i love it when it is a quick fix and we dont break the build |
| 19:09.08 | SRabbelier | solydzajs: : bug... bug... I'd like to call it an oversight :P |
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| 19:09.16 | solydzajs | SRabbelier: yep :-) |
| 19:09.18 | solydzajs | SRabbelier: true |
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| 19:09.28 | lh | one mans oversight is another man's bug is another woman's feature request |
| 19:09.37 | z3r0 | oh ok... will check it out tomm, need sleep, good work lh and mentors!! |
| 19:09.38 | chunmun | guys! you can view your proposals still at http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/list_self/google/gsoc2009/YOUR_GSOC_LINKID_HERE |
| 19:09.42 | flyankur | Any one think, this deadline could be extended.. man!! i missed on application.. just by 1 min |
| 19:09.44 | flyankur | :( |
| 19:09.52 | penyaskito | lh: stressed? ;-) |
| 19:09.52 | lh | flyankur: no. |
| 19:09.54 | lh | !extension |
| 19:09.55 | socinfo | Error: "extension" is not a valid command. |
| 19:09.59 | Corsix | flyankur: you can two weeks |
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| 19:10.00 | lh | penyaskito: not a bit really |
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| 19:10.01 | ajuonline | so true :P |
| 19:10.04 | Corsix | had two weeks* |
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| 19:10.18 | rwcr | !learn extension as The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 19:10.18 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.19 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:10.24 | k_nishant | ajuonline: send me the link |
| 19:10.26 | SRabbelier | rwcr: awesome, thanks :P |
| 19:10.33 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: so in the stats "everything" is counted, even the ones withdrawn or marked ineligable? |
| 19:10.33 | claired | Corsix: yes, sadly some of us also have school... |
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| 19:10.36 | asdlkf | erm... "my proposals" disappeared... |
| 19:10.37 | asdlkf | normal? |
| 19:10.41 | lh | rwcr: thanks again for the cats |
| 19:10.43 | durin42 | Hm, middle-click opens a new tab *and* opens the link in the current window? |
| 19:10.44 | solydzajs | flyankur: last minute submission isn't really the best thing to do :-) |
| 19:10.45 | chunmun | asdlkf:yes |
| 19:10.45 | durin42 | why? |
| 19:10.47 | rwcr | lh: No prob, it was fun :-) |
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| 19:10.50 | nathanael | i pressed submit 13 minutes ago, but the page is still loading |
| 19:10.50 | asdlkf | k |
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| 19:10.56 | Corsix | claired: I am one of those with school |
| 19:10.56 | lh | asdlkf: yes it is getting fixed |
| 19:10.59 | chunmun | nathanael:ouch |
| 19:11.00 | lh | nathanael: you may be sol dude |
| 19:11.01 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: yes they are |
| 19:11.06 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: I can get only the active ones if you like? |
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| 19:11.12 | nathanael | sol? |
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| 19:11.15 | asdlkf | lh: cool. as long as it doesnt mean my proposal disappeared :P |
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| 19:11.17 | chunmun | guys! you can view your proposals still at http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/list_self/google/gsoc2009/YOUR_GSOC_LINKID_HERE |
| 19:11.22 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: IMO that would be more interesting |
| 19:11.26 | chunmun | repeating myself :P |
| 19:11.26 | Khetu | heh, 600 users only after the deadline? |
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| 19:11.32 | claired | Corsix: and some of us who have school also have profs who decide to make everything due *now* |
| 19:11.34 | SRabbelier | 5860 students in total btw |
| 19:11.36 | lh | asdlkf: nope you are fine |
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| 19:11.44 | SRabbelier | chunmun: thanks |
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| 19:11.50 | vsh426 | yeah lot of ppl are joining gsoc related channels |
| 19:11.51 | chunmun | claired: relax |
| 19:11.54 | Ivanovic | students or proposals? |
| 19:11.55 | Mkop2 | nathanael: sol = s&*( out of luck |
| 19:11.58 | chunmun | SRabbelier: yw :) |
| 19:12.01 | vedlith | almost 6k students and below 4k applications? |
| 19:12.02 | arunreddy_ | !next |
| 19:12.02 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
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| 19:12.09 | ajuonline | flyankur: you were not able to apply for *any* ? |
| 19:12.24 | chunmun | claired: there is always a next time |
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| 19:12.36 | asdlkf | vedlith: other way around. 5800 apps, 3700 students applied |
| 19:12.39 | chunmun | more people entering the room now :) |
| 19:12.42 | lh | vedlith: some folks set up student accounts then realize they have to do something and run away screaming |
| 19:12.42 | claired | chunmun: sorry, didn't mean to whine. it's not that big a deal, nor can anyone really do anything about it |
| 19:12.56 | chunmun | claired: its ok. can understand |
| 19:12.56 | lh | SRabbelier: 5860 total apps or total student accounts created? |
| 19:12.59 | Ivanovic | nice, we got about 0.7% of all applications, not too bad |
| 19:13.02 | koopersmith | asdlkf: i think he was talking about the 5860 registered |
| 19:13.09 | chunmun | claired: a friend of mine also missed :( |
| 19:13.24 | asdlkf | Ivanovic: who is we? |
| 19:13.27 | scorche|sh | boo...i was hoping for a prime number... |
| 19:13.27 | Ivanovic | wesnoth |
| 19:13.28 | claired | chunmun: that sucks, tell them sorry for me |
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| 19:13.30 | koopersmith | lh: he said 5887 for total apps before? |
| 19:13.36 | patri | i think its 3400 students |
| 19:13.37 | flyankur | solydzajs: i know, when you break into some cool idea, evolve it while you brainstorm.. it happens |
| 19:13.39 | lh | koopersmith: that's what i thought. |
| 19:13.41 | c0d37 | hello. can someone tell me where was the "submit your proposal" link? :) |
| 19:13.47 | SRabbelier | lh: student accounts created |
| 19:13.50 | lh | c0d37: it will come back soon |
| 19:13.52 | chunmun | claired: relax buddy.. its ok :) |
| 19:13.54 | Ivanovic | c0d37: it is gone because time is over |
| 19:14.05 | lh | c0d37: small oversight, devs are fixing. you will be able to see the link again soon. |
| 19:14.08 | claired | chunmun: thanks. i know. |
| 19:14.10 | asdlkf | you missed it by 13 minutes |
| 19:14.21 | lh | oh wait |
| 19:14.25 | koopersmith | lh: yeah. 5887 applications, 3497 students applied, 5860 students registered |
| 19:14.26 | Corsix | lh: c0d37 is asking for the submit link, not the list link |
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| 19:14.30 | c0d37 | no... it wasn't there even 30 minutes ago... |
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| 19:14.32 | chunmun | c0d37:ahm.. or maybe you are earlier by about 11 months :P |
| 19:14.38 | c0d37 | :)) |
| 19:14.39 | chunmun | c0d37:hmmm... |
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| 19:14.42 | flyankur | solydzajs: i didnt submitted one !! , but the last second great idea proposal ... i missed it by .. trust me .. 40-50 seconds. |
| 19:14.48 | claired | :) |
| 19:14.49 | asdlkf | code7: probably because you didn't fill out the student profile |
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| 19:14.53 | lh | c0d37: you missed the deadline. if you hadnt submitted anything before that that's it |
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| 19:15.02 | lh | flyankur: i am sorry it is too late now |
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| 19:15.08 | venkat119 | can i edit my proposal even after the deadline??? |
| 19:15.09 | Its_me | I missed it by 1 second, had not filled up the Abstarct. |
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| 19:15.13 | asdlkf | you had to create an account, then fill out a student profile |
| 19:15.14 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.16 | lh | venkat119: yes |
| 19:15.18 | Niks | !next |
| 19:15.18 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:15.19 | disismt | Hi, my list student proposls link has disappered? wtf???? |
| 19:15.22 | asdlkf | if the profile was filled in, submit appeard |
| 19:15.28 | venkat119 | lh:thnx |
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| 19:15.29 | murph | dimazest, chill. they're fixing that. |
| 19:15.29 | Ownatik | people are crazy |
| 19:15.30 | lh | disismt: it will be back soon, devs are fixing. chill for now |
| 19:15.34 | asdlkf | disismt: being fixed |
| 19:15.34 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.02 | SRabbelier | 5663 student proposals in total that were not inellegible |
| 19:18.17 | lh | that's amazingly high |
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| 19:18.35 | SRabbelier | Indeed, but I'm guessing some orgs will need to do a last pass on the inellegible apps |
| 19:18.39 | lh | can we all chill out here? |
| 19:18.40 | Rem | What happened to the other 224? |
| 19:18.40 | c0d37 | at it was before 17:00 PM UTC |
| 19:18.41 | Mkop2 | how did you check all of them already for eligibility? |
| 19:18.42 | literal | and no. of students? |
| 19:18.45 | asdlkf | rofl at +m. i'm going to class. ttyl. |
| 19:18.51 | lh | SRabbelier: i am sure there are more inelligible apps to be hunted down |
| 19:18.59 | harlan | foo |
| 19:19.08 | disismt | boo |
| 19:19.08 | harlan | ah,, I seem to have a voice again. |
| 19:19.11 | Ownatik | what exactly are inellegible apps |
| 19:19.11 | harlan | lh: I heard from the NIST guy. Problem 1 is "The use of the sponsorship for publicity purposes is one problem. NIST won't allow its name to be used this way." I'm asking his permission to forward his emails to you and introduce y'all so I can get out of the middle. |
| 19:19.14 | Wolf_OSGeo | !faq |
| 19:19.14 | borja | lh: we got a surprisingly low number of spam applications this year, although I still have to process the ones that just came in in the last moment |
| 19:19.14 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 19:19.21 | lh | whoa! |
| 19:19.28 | carldani | funny. some of our project tasks recevied half a dozen proposals, others were ignored. |
| 19:19.29 | chx | indeed. |
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| 19:19.31 | freebsd-rwatson | lh: heh. our application count more than doubled in the last 24 hours. still significantly lower than last year. |
| 19:19.35 | lh | harlan: good idea. we can just not say nist |
| 19:19.37 | chx | mch fewer applications but they are relevant. |
| 19:19.39 | lh | borja: ok |
| 19:19.53 | chx | lh: pm? |
| 19:19.56 | freebsd-rwatson | lh: and as with borja, much less application spam even including last minute proposals. |
| 19:19.57 | sadsadasd | freebsd-brooks, how many last year ? |
| 19:19.59 | lh | freebsd-rwatson: but they are well done, correct? in general? and higher or same quality overall as last year |
| 19:20.04 | lh | chx: sure dont expect me to respond right away |
| 19:20.11 | lh | freebsd-rwatson: that's a good data point |
| 19:20.27 | chx | meh, i will write an emaiil. |
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| 19:20.32 | lh | chx: just pm dude |
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| 19:20.38 | lh | i multitask like a <censored> |
| 19:20.42 | freebsd-brooks | sadsadasd: IIRC somewhat over 100 |
| 19:20.45 | aguent | good luck everyone :) |
| 19:20.51 | freebsd-rwatson | lh: average quality is higher, I think -- there are a few immediate duds, but much fewer proportionally speaking. |
| 19:20.59 | SRabbelier | ok so any interesting stats we want to know people? |
| 19:21.01 | lh | freebsd-rwatson: okay, thanks for the data point |
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| 19:21.10 | bwinton | I would love to see a graph of cumulative # of applications submitted over time. Just to chuckle at the giant spike in the last few hours. |
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| 19:21.16 | lh | makes note of SRabbelier's stats discussion |
| 19:21.16 | chunmun | cheers lh |
| 19:21.20 | hypa7ia | o hai bwinton |
| 19:21.23 | oguz | SRabbelier: proposals by organizations. if it's possible? |
| 19:21.25 | holger_ | bwinton: exactly my thoughts. |
| 19:21.26 | SRabbelier | bwinton: right, me too! :) |
| 19:21.31 | freebsd-rwatson | lh: I can't remember exact numbers, but my guess is we threw away at least 30-40 up-front last year |
| 19:21.31 | borja | I would like to know if the number of applicants from Chicago, IL has gone up relative to last year ;-) |
| 19:21.32 | lh | chunmun: cheer the melange dev team dude, not me. i just direct traffic. |
| 19:21.34 | SRabbelier | oguz: I dont' think we will do that, lh? |
| 19:21.36 | freebsd-brooks | lh: a couple trash submissions in the last 12 hours, but mostly decent proposals |
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| 19:21.40 | SRabbelier | lh: no proposals / org, right? |
| 19:21.43 | oguz | SRabbelier: i guessed so :) |
| 19:21.44 | lh | oguz: no we will not. you can ask them |
| 19:21.53 | bwinton | Then @lh could post it in her office to remind her when next year rolls around. :) |
| 19:21.56 | lh | freebsd-rwatson: i recall that from last year as well. |
| 19:21.56 | chunmun | cheers the entire melange team and routes it all through lh :) |
| 19:22.03 | lh | lol |
| 19:22.06 | zooko | I'm thrilled. The Tahoe sub-org got six proposals even though we only gave 48 hours notice. |
| 19:22.12 | bwinton | @hypa7ia: Shh, I'm incognito. |
| 19:22.19 | typ0 | freebsd people: is mtund work still a valid GSoC project ? |
| 19:22.29 | chunmun | passes drinks to all the mentors and wishes them a nice time hunting down the best apps over the weeks :) |
| 19:22.29 | zooko | A couple of them are thin, as might be expected due to short notice, and two or three are solid. |
| 19:22.31 | zooko | Thanks, folks! |
| 19:22.34 | Ownatik | who exactly decides who is taken and how many by orgs? |
| 19:22.37 | freebsd-rwatson | quite pleased with the quality of the last-minute submissions he's seen so far |
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| 19:22.51 | lh | now that is amazing. usually last minute submissions are schlock |
| 19:22.57 | freebsd-rwatson | wants more of his undergraduate student project proposals at cl.cam.ac.uk to read like these. :-) |
| 19:23.05 | asdlkf | ownatik: rtf |
| 19:23.08 | asdlkf | ownatik: rtfm |
| 19:23.20 | freebsd-rwatson | lh: most appear submitted at the last minute rather than written at the last minute |
| 19:23.21 | zooko | Yeah, there are two or three students that I'm pretty impressed with for making it look like they didn't just throw it together at the last minute. :-) |
| 19:23.29 | Corsix | freebsd-brooks: bah, maths.ox.ac.uk > cl.cam.ac.uk |
| 19:23.34 | freebsd-brooks | typ0: not really, the previous work was mostly complete, but some of the more evil hack to the kernel needed cleanup that hasn't happened |
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| 19:23.44 | typ0 | ok |
| 19:23.46 | Corsix | freebsd-rwatson even |
| 19:23.49 | hkpco | !next |
| 19:23.49 | freebsd-rwatson | lh: which I think is an unwise strategy generally, because you never know when your internet access will go down, but I can hardly blame them. :-) |
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| 19:24.11 | lh | freebsd-rwatson: agreed. i blame programmer insecurity. |
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| 19:24.41 | freebsd-rwatson | Corsix: :-P. are you guys on easter break also right now? I suspect pretty low turnout from cl.cam.ac.uk because all the undergrads have been on holiday for two weeks, and have another one or two to go. |
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| 19:24.59 | mdc | thinks that people who submit applications last minute are playing with fire. So many things can go wrong, and then what can you do? |
| 19:25.07 | Corsix | freebsd-rwatson: I'm not yet at ox - starting in october |
| 19:25.17 | koopersmith | mdc: exactly, especially when you can edit them |
| 19:25.19 | sharpdevelop_ | freebsd-rwatson: what is it with cl.cam.ac.uk? :-) |
| 19:25.38 | bwinton | @mdc: And yet, it's _sooooo_ common... Heck, I did the same thing back in University. |
| 19:25.38 | SRabbelier | borja: 16 applicants from Chicago |
| 19:25.42 | freebsd-rwatson | Corsix: ah, ok. :-) I used to live in oxford, liked the town but prefer cambridge's environs. :-) |
| 19:25.45 | borja | SRabbelier: awesome |
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| 19:26.00 | borja | SRabbelier: I don't suppose you have Chicago stats from last year, do you? |
| 19:26.10 | SRabbelier | borja: no I don't :) |
| 19:26.19 | killerchicken | Where can I report Melange bugs? I cannot view my proposal anymore nor add comments to it/see comments from the org |
| 19:26.21 | borja | SRabbelier: I did university visits here, and I'm wondering how effective they were, but 16 sounds like a pretty decent number |
| 19:26.22 | SRabbelier | borja: we're planning on getting those imported at some point though |
| 19:26.32 | Corsix | sharpdevelop_: computing lab at cambridge university |
| 19:26.33 | mdc | bwinton: Yes, I know what you mean. :) |
| 19:26.33 | SRabbelier | killerchicken: you can create a new http://tinyurl.com/new-issue, but what you meantion is not a bug |
| 19:26.35 | borja | SRabbelier: cool |
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| 19:26.48 | SRabbelier | killerchicken: although the dissepearal of the link is a known issue that's being fixed |
| 19:26.49 | zooko | Chat later, folks. |
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| 19:26.55 | killerchicken | SRabbelier: ah, good. |
| 19:27.05 | killerchicken | SRabbelier: won't flood the tracker, then. |
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| 19:27.16 | riot | i prepared my project proposal about 6 months ago, but wrote it only some hours ago. I don't think that it appears like "last minute" :) |
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| 19:27.20 | SRabbelier | killerchicken: thanks |
| 19:27.27 | SRabbelier | riot: fair enough :) |
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| 19:27.55 | summatusmentis | do we have final app numbers? |
| 19:28.23 | chx | summatusmentis: as applications are constantly being moved to ineligble that'll be a bit before it settles. |
| 19:28.44 | summatusmentis | chx: ah, that's reasonable |
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| 19:28.53 | sharpdevelop_ | Corsix: I have tried to advertise GSoC at the Cambridge lab maillist... (As well as among my friends there) So do you get any applicants from there? |
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| 19:29.38 | SRabbelier | ok, so in 3 minutes everybody that applied should see the link again |
| 19:29.38 | Corsix | sharpdevelop_: you're asking the wrong person |
| 19:30.11 | SRabbelier | hmmm, in fact... every student should see it, regardless of whether they submitted ap roposal |
| 19:30.25 | SRabbelier | sharpdevelop_: Cambridge? |
| 19:30.41 | sharpdevelop_ | Yes |
| 19:30.45 | sharpdevelop_ | (The UK one) |
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| 19:31.50 | SRabbelier | sharpdevelop_: I guess I should search for those that have school_name == Cambridge? |
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| 19:31.55 | hwked | yes, the links are there now |
| 19:32.11 | Ownatik | I think i'm in love with google |
| 19:32.14 | midwepM | is there a simple way to check the status of your application? |
| 19:32.16 | SRabbelier | sharpdevelop_: only 1 xD |
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| 19:32.33 | SRabbelier | midwepM: what do you mean with status? |
| 19:32.43 | SRabbelier | midwepM: it wont' be anounced for quite a while if you're accepted or not |
| 19:32.44 | sharpdevelop_ | I was not very succesful then... :-( |
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| 19:33.45 | peter_dc | Thanks and congrats to all google and melange folks for getting all the applications in!! |
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| 19:33.58 | SRabbelier | sharpdevelop_: either that, or they did not enter Cambridge as their school? |
| 19:34.00 | freebsd-rwatson | sharpdevelop_: all the undergrads are off on easter holiday, I think your chances of success were limited. |
| 19:34.02 | SRabbelier | peter_dc: thanks :) |
| 19:34.09 | lh | peter_dc: thank you |
| 19:34.16 | midwepM | no i understand but i cannot see my applications from my student page at socghop.appspot.com |
| 19:34.20 | omniter_ | sharpdevelop_, i always wanted to know, why is your logo a fish?? |
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| 19:34.48 | Ownatik | because a fish is shard. isn't it logic? |
| 19:34.50 | devvrat | !allocations |
| 19:34.50 | socinfo | "allocations" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 19:34.52 | Ownatik | sharp* |
| 19:34.54 | holger_ | SRabbelier: while you're at it - would love to know how many people from university of oldenburg applied this year. |
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| 19:35.02 | freebsd-rwatson | sharpdevelop_: I'd love to improve uptake, but at the point where they leave for the holiday, the set of orgs isn't announced, and when the come back, the application period is over. |
| 19:35.07 | sharpdevelop_ | omniter_: Hmmm... actually, I do not know :-) |
| 19:35.11 | omniter | Ownatik, fish aren't sharp necessarily =\ |
| 19:35.13 | sharpdevelop_ | The fish is clownfish |
| 19:35.35 | omniter | yeah it is |
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| 19:35.41 | dreimark | ah that kind of fish |
| 19:35.43 | typ0 | the application period should be larger than the current |
| 19:35.49 | devilsadvocate | SRabbelier, how many indians applied? |
| 19:35.57 | uzytkownik | !next |
| 19:35.57 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:36.01 | sharpdevelop_ | Oh! Wait, I remember. The founding developer had fishes... it might have been his favourite :-) |
| 19:36.14 | typ0 | as soon as you know the orgs, you have to apply immediately |
| 19:36.18 | freebsd-brooks | SRabbelier: I'd be curious how may from Grinnell College |
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| 19:36.32 | ninadsp | devilsadvocate: even i'd like to know |
| 19:36.36 | omniter | typ0, you had 10 days to apply, and 5 more days to prepare your application |
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| 19:37.02 | freebsd-rwatson | sharpdevelop_: I've often felt clownfish looked a bit like chickens |
| 19:37.10 | omniter | !timeline |
| 19:37.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:37.15 | freebsd-rwatson | sharpdevelop_: which is an observation that greatly annoys my six-year old nephew |
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| 19:37.31 | omniter | !forget submit |
| 19:37.31 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:37.36 | SRabbelier | one second, I'm going to put all this in a document so we can just ctrl+f it :P |
| 19:37.39 | riot | !ps |
| 19:37.39 | socinfo | Error: "ps" is not a valid command. |
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| 19:37.52 | SRabbelier | wishes the GSoC2009 stats project for Melange was done already |
| 19:37.55 | riot | whats that bot running? gozer? infobot? |
| 19:38.13 | sharpdevelop_ | freebsd-rwatson: so what was your link to cl.cam? |
| 19:38.41 | lh | SRabbelier: you know, you don't have to provide this |
| 19:38.45 | devvrat | there seems to be guy on the mailist list asking for procedure to apply :P |
| 19:38.50 | lh | i plan to publish stats posts on the google open source blog next week |
| 19:38.51 | riot | aah, a supybot. hmm. |
| 19:38.52 | SRabbelier | lh: hehe :) |
| 19:39.02 | Corsix | but next week isn't right now |
| 19:39.05 | lh | SRabbelier: srsly. people can chill. |
| 19:39.15 | lh | folks, for the first two years we had no stats at all. chill. |
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| 19:39.42 | snizwickit | I noticed on the time line that on sept 3, students have to send required code samples to google |
| 19:39.44 | snizwickit | what is the point of this? |
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| 19:40.00 | ajuonline | snizwickit: because google papa pays you. |
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| 19:40.06 | devvrat | :D |
| 19:40.18 | ajuonline | snizwickit: i mean, it has to be up on the google code repositories created for the program. |
| 19:40.23 | snizwickit | how many payments are given out? |
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| 19:40.24 | killerchicken | snizwickit: you should actually spend your summer coding, and producing open source while you're doing so. Committing the code is a way to ensure that. |
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| 19:40.29 | riot | SRabbelier: is there any test-account for melange? |
| 19:40.34 | literal | snizwickit: 3 I believe |
| 19:40.35 | SRabbelier | riot: what do you mean? |
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| 19:40.43 | ajuonline | snizwickit: to all students. who get selected |
| 19:40.47 | SRabbelier | lh: there's not much sensible to say a bout res city anyway, there's a chaos of different spellings :( |
| 19:40.51 | riot | SRabbelier: do i have to login using my normal google account? |
| 19:40.52 | SRabbelier | country seems more doable though |
| 19:40.58 | SRabbelier | riot: to socghop? |
| 19:41.00 | freebsd-rwatson | sharpdevelop_: I was first at the cl in ~1999 as a visiting researcher, then came back to do a phd in 2005 a year or so after my wife started her phd here. I'll finish it someday .. maybe this year even... |
| 19:41.09 | riot | SRabbelier: naah, melange-demo |
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| 19:41.18 | SRabbelier | riot: yup, just sign in with your regular account :) |
| 19:41.28 | snizwickit | so is the code sample for the final payment or something? |
| 19:41.45 | lh | SRabbelier: countries are more important to me |
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| 19:41.59 | freebsd-rwatson | sharpdevelop_: going back to academia after having a job, etc, etc, for a while is a weird experience, but enjoyable and productive. and it's a pretty spiffy place to do a phd. |
| 19:42.05 | lh | snizwickit: so we can pay you legally. |
| 19:42.06 | carldani | !allocations |
| 19:42.06 | socinfo | "allocations" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 19:42.07 | lh | that's it/ |
| 19:42.14 | pi31415926535 | wow it's finished =)) |
| 19:42.17 | sharpdevelop_ | freebsd-rwatson: I finished my BA at cl last year. But I am still at Cambridge doing management now :-) |
| 19:42.19 | desrt | lh: could you please please please tell me the average fingernail length of all of the applicants right now? |
| 19:42.22 | omniter | pi31415926535, what is |
| 19:42.28 | omniter | !next |
| 19:42.28 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:42.33 | lh | desrt: 2.3 cm |
| 19:42.35 | pi31415926535 | deadline |
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| 19:42.40 | omniter | eh?! next is forgotten?! |
| 19:42.40 | desrt | lh: that's pretty long. |
| 19:42.43 | freebsd-rwatson | sharpdevelop_: watch out, if you live in cambridge too long as a non-academic, they suck you in to do a phd. :-) |
| 19:42.43 | lh | desrt: lot of freaks in our community |
| 19:42.47 | desrt | lh: srsly. |
| 19:42.49 | desrt | lh: thanks for the info |
| 19:42.52 | chunmun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.58 | Mkop2 | desrt: good thing you asked for fingernail length and not something else :-P |
| 19:43.00 | lh | socinfo: learn !next as accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 19:43.00 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:43.03 | lh | !nerxt |
| 19:43.03 | socinfo | Error: "nerxt" is not a valid command. |
| 19:43.05 | lh | !next |
| 19:43.06 | socinfo | Error: "next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:43.09 | chunmun | Mkop2:lolz |
| 19:43.10 | riot | SRabbelier: have you tried fuzzing the stuff already? |
| 19:43.11 | lh | mprh |
| 19:43.11 | SRabbelier | lh: should I make the list of country stats public? |
| 19:43.18 | lh | SRabbelier: no, we get that first |
| 19:43.19 | SRabbelier | riot: fuzzing the stuff? |
| 19:43.24 | Corsix | !!next |
| 19:43.25 | socinfo | "!next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 19:43.30 | desrt | heh |
| 19:43.33 | lh | Requires the big-g exclusivity on the informations for nows |
| 19:43.34 | SRabbelier | lh: you have it :) |
| 19:43.39 | lh | SRabbelier: merci |
| 19:43.41 | desrt | socinfo: learn next as accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 19:43.41 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:43.44 | desrt | !next |
| 19:43.44 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 19:43.46 | desrt | :) |
| 19:43.51 | Ownatik | french? |
| 19:43.53 | omniter | !forget !next |
| 19:43.53 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 19:43.57 | omniter | !!next |
| 19:43.57 | socinfo | Error: "!next" is not a valid command. |
| 19:44.00 | riot | SRabbelier: yeah, generating mean random data to test input validation et al. Its a security related test method and takes a while to make sure. |
| 19:44.01 | omniter | :) |
| 19:44.01 | lh | ah ha. |
| 19:44.02 | desrt | socinfo: good bot. have a cookie. |
| 19:44.03 | socinfo | Error: "good" is not a valid command. |
| 19:44.05 | desrt | :( |
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| 19:44.07 | andrecastelo | poor guy on the list asking to be accepted |
| 19:44.13 | chunmun | !snackbot |
| 19:44.13 | socinfo | Error: "snackbot" is not a valid command. |
| 19:44.18 | chunmun | !botsnack |
| 19:44.19 | socinfo | "botsnack" is rut roh raggy |
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| 19:44.36 | SRabbelier | riot: hehe, no, we haven't tested that :) |
| 19:44.38 | sharpdevelop_ | omniter: That is not the right value of pi... the last two digits are wrong :-) |
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| 19:45.05 | omniter | sharpdevelop_, it's somebody's name |
| 19:45.16 | sivaji | !next |
| 19:45.17 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 19:45.18 | omniter | i was talking to pi31415926535 |
| 19:45.23 | JefferyM | 35 apps, not bad :) |
| 19:45.26 | bhock | Can anyone help me? I went to edit my application and it's gone. |
| 19:45.31 | aadi | is it closed? i keep getting "This page is inactive at this time" when i try to submit a proposal |
| 19:45.33 | Landon | isit over yet? |
| 19:45.36 | omniter | bhock, it's over |
| 19:45.46 | aadi | dang! |
| 19:45.51 | riot | SRabbelier: but you did use input validation and some standard security measures, did you? If you do that just right, nothing real bad should be exploitable.. |
| 19:45.54 | chunmun | bhock:its closed now |
| 19:45.56 | harlan | but bhock can submit comments, right? |
| 19:45.56 | omniter | bhock, summer of code got canceled. no more applications. :( |
| 19:46.01 | sameer_a | !next |
| 19:46.01 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
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| 19:46.07 | chunmun | aadi: yes its over |
| 19:46.10 | omniter | harlan, yeah he can |
| 19:46.20 | bhock | I submitted yesterday, but now my app is gone. Now it's closed so I can't resubmit. |
| 19:46.21 | SRabbelier | riot: we use Django :) |
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| 19:46.24 | locutus4 | !next |
| 19:46.24 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
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| 19:46.36 | pi31415926535 | wow i feel very light! |
| 19:46.38 | SRabbelier | riot: let's move to #melange |
| 19:46.38 | schumaml | !chill |
| 19:46.38 | socinfo | Error: "chill" is not a valid command. |
| 19:46.40 | chunmun | !extensions |
| 19:46.40 | socinfo | Error: "extensions" is not a valid command. |
| 19:46.41 | z4chh | !timeline |
| 19:46.41 | pi31415926535 | it's finally over! |
| 19:46.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:46.42 | pi31415926535 | :d |
| 19:46.44 | SRabbelier | riot: I'lll explain there |
| 19:46.54 | z4chh | i spent three weeks on one proposal :) |
| 19:47.02 | omniter | bhock, oh... did you sign in? |
| 19:47.02 | chunmun | rushes to #melange :) |
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| 19:47.24 | omniter | bhock, if it's gone, you either didn't submit it, deleted it, or you're not signed in |
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| 19:47.37 | aadi | just saw it, din know the timeline...:( |
| 19:47.39 | gislan | any statistics available already? (number of students, number of applications, etc) |
| 19:47.50 | lh | JefferyM: for bzflag? that's not bad. how many of them are not up to par (i.e. inelligible)? |
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| 19:47.50 | chunmun | omniter:no.. the link is missing at the moment |
| 19:47.53 | vikas_garg1 | hi, can you tell ,how many apps are there for gsoc |
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| 19:47.59 | omniter | chunmun, if the link is missing then you're not signed in... |
| 19:48.02 | aadi | can u tell me what Schedule of Deliverables is though? din exactly get that one |
| 19:48.02 | desrt | gislan: we only know so far that the average fingernail length of all applicants is 2.3cm |
| 19:48.08 | ajuonline | vikas_garg1: deadline over. |
| 19:48.09 | lh | bhock: application abstract is still editable, chill, devs are working on a fix to renable the link to your student proposals |
| 19:48.15 | vikas_garg1 | i know |
| 19:48.20 | t0ms | hmm first comment :) |
| 19:48.22 | ninadsp | bhock: you will nto eb able to edit it but you can still view it |
| 19:48.26 | vikas_garg1 | i asked , total gsoc apps |
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| 19:48.32 | vikas_garg1 | or students |
| 19:48.40 | chunmun | omniter: oops, the link is back now :) |
| 19:48.41 | caden|flrshcon | desrt: do the mentor orgs find long fingernails good or bad???? |
| 19:48.50 | VDVsx | who was the org with more apps ? I bet KDE :P |
| 19:48.56 | desrt | caden|flrshcon: i'm not entirely sure. i'm quite surprised that it was that long though |
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| 19:49.04 | JefferyM | lh, yeah bzflag, we have 3 that we had to mark as inielgelbe ( and tha'ts not int he 35 count), there are 14 that I'll probably cull out on the first round for just being rather weak or no communciation etc... |
| 19:49.19 | caden|flrshcon | desrt: is it too late to modify the length of my fingernails? |
| 19:49.28 | chunmun | caden|flrshcon: depends if the mentors love their manicurist or not :) |
| 19:49.29 | JefferyM | lh we are only expecting to do like 3 students :) |
| 19:49.32 | lh | JefferyM: that's still really good. |
| 19:49.44 | lh | is amazed by all the comments she's heard about high quality of applications this year |
| 19:49.46 | desrt | caden|flrshcon: depends how nervous you are about being accepted :) |
| 19:49.48 | Mkop2 | SRabbelier: do we have stats on mean t-shirt size? :-P |
| 19:50.00 | lh | Mkop2: oh goodness. stop that now. |
| 19:50.01 | caden|flrshcon | takes fingernails out of mouth |
| 19:50.05 | JefferyM | lh, yeah better then last year |
| 19:50.06 | carldani | how do you determine point 2,3,4 on the allocation checklist? |
| 19:50.08 | JefferyM | by far |
| 19:50.16 | Mkop2 | lh: are you _trying_ to worry us with that comment? :-P |
| 19:50.17 | SRabbelier | Mkop2: lol |
| 19:50.20 | domonoky | also thinks application qualitiy is alot higher this year.. |
| 19:50.21 | vikas_garg1 | hi can you tell me how many apps are there this year |
| 19:50.22 | vikas_garg1 | ? |
| 19:50.24 | JefferyM | now to fill out our giant ranking spreadsheet :) |
| 19:50.24 | chunmun | hopes his application is rated good enough as well :) |
| 19:50.28 | Mkop2 | lh: ok, I stopped. |
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| 19:50.40 | lh | all hail gsoc 2009. |
| 19:50.41 | lh | :) |
| 19:50.47 | Corsix | hail! |
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| 19:50.52 | neo7 | HAIL! |
| 19:50.54 | caden|flrshcon | lh: thank you for not extending the deadline (which would drag out the nailbiting!) |
| 19:50.55 | domonoky | !hail |
| 19:50.56 | socinfo | Error: "hail" is not a valid command. |
| 19:50.58 | Mkop2 | rain! |
| 19:51.03 | hypa7ia | thunder! |
| 19:51.14 | patri | !storm |
| 19:51.15 | socinfo | Error: "storm" is not a valid command. |
| 19:51.15 | neo7 | Clouds! |
| 19:51.17 | lh | caden|flrshcon: i am over it |
| 19:51.24 | ninadsp | hail! |
| 19:51.26 | Mkop2 | I would say snow, but it is g*S*oc after all |
| 19:51.26 | neo7 | Cyclone |
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| 19:52.00 | chunmun | !logs |
| 19:52.00 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:52.00 | neo7 | o_O |
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| 19:52.11 | [particle] | i've got a proposal that came in for adding user docs for a language. the soc faq says the projects need to be code-oriented... is this proposal kosher with the soc rules? |
| 19:52.17 | patri | neo7: i witnessed a cyclone once |
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| 19:52.26 | neo7 | when? |
| 19:52.31 | SRabbelier | [particle]: doesn't seem like it to me |
| 19:52.34 | neo7 | patri: when? |
| 19:52.35 | ochot | [particle]: does it involved coding? |
| 19:52.41 | ochot | *ivolve |
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| 19:52.43 | caden|flrshcon | particle: there's a faq about documentation-onlyy project being inadmissable |
| 19:52.48 | caden|flrshcon | hence summer of "{ |
| 19:52.51 | caden|flrshcon | "code" |
| 19:53.04 | patri | oct' 1999 : supercyclone in orissa,india |
| 19:53.11 | ochot | caden|flrshcon: backspace and enter too close? :) |
| 19:53.11 | neo7 | ohh |
| 19:53.13 | [particle] | yes, actually, it does involve coding a reader and a gui editor plugin |
| 19:53.22 | neo7 | Sorry to hear about that |
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| 19:54.04 | patri | neo7: itz ok |
| 19:54.09 | ochot | [particle]: if adding user docs for a language is just a small part of it, I'd say it could be accepted, but I am not even a mentor |
| 19:54.14 | [particle] | ok, yeah, it's not documentation-only, so it should fit just fine. thanks, that'll help with my private review |
| 19:54.16 | carldani | lh: does anyone actually check if project members help prospective students on irc? |
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| 19:54.36 | caden|flrshcon | ochot: yes, yes. advertised as "92% size keyboard" |
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| 19:54.40 | siam | !next |
| 19:54.40 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 19:55.00 | vikas_garg1 | is anybody know how many apps are there this year ? |
| 19:55.01 | gregarei | Now *thats* exciting |
| 19:55.12 | icez | carldani, that'd be hard for google to do with 150 projects 24/7 on IRC |
| 19:55.19 | neo7 | vikas 5k to 6k |
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| 19:55.31 | caden|flrshcon | icez: not if they have "CADIE" do it |
| 19:55.37 | patri | neo7: 5887 |
| 19:55.42 | lh | carldani: if you mean in this irc channel, heck yes i check. other orgs irc channels, i wait for students to tell me their orgs are non responsive |
| 19:55.49 | vikas_garg1 | ok, how many slots are there this year |
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| 19:56.03 | harsha | app edit page is inactive at this time , error message came.. |
| 19:56.13 | icez | caden|flrshcon, i thought cadie applied to replace all project icons by cute panda bears :[ |
| 19:56.13 | vikas_garg1 | any idea ? |
| 19:56.19 | jorrit | Why does durinbot always say he never saw me? |
| 19:56.24 | jorrit | I got that message three times already. |
| 19:56.25 | schumaml | carldani: google doesn't *check*, google does *know* |
| 19:56.29 | neo7 | Leslie Hawthorne: and what happens when you find that org is non-responsive? |
| 19:56.31 | smtms | jorrit, because you are invisible |
| 19:56.37 | jorrit | invisible? |
| 19:56.41 | lh | neo7: you misspelled my name |
| 19:56.41 | carldani | lh: ah thanks. I just wanted to make sure coreboot is listed among the friendly projects. we do all the support on our own irc channel, though... |
| 19:56.42 | vikas_garg1 | or will it be decided later ? |
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| 19:56.43 | patri | jorrit: because ur nick is not registered |
| 19:56.49 | devvrat | feeling relaxed |
| 19:56.50 | lh | carldani: that's cool |
| 19:56.50 | vikas_garg1 | please answer |
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| 19:56.53 | jorrit | patri: I am |
| 19:56.54 | neo7 | sorry |
| 19:56.56 | carldani | lh: thanks |
| 19:56.59 | jorrit | patri: and I'm identified too. |
| 19:57.00 | neo7 | lh: sorry |
| 19:57.14 | harsha | when will it alive |
| 19:57.17 | patri | jorrit: then he doesn't like you |
| 19:57.19 | harsha | i m screwed hre |
| 19:57.19 | neo7 | actually I saved it with real name |
| 19:57.27 | lh | neo7: what do you want to ask? |
| 19:57.41 | harsha | no no,google app is not working |
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| 19:57.52 | harsha | wehen it will alive kinda |
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| 19:58.09 | lut4rp | harsha, its not an issue. |
| 19:58.09 | neo7 | lh: what happens when you find that org is non responsive |
| 19:58.15 | lut4rp | harsha, your application is safe. |
| 19:58.17 | neo7 | or the student is not working |
| 19:58.20 | jorrit | !nex |
| 19:58.20 | socinfo | Error: "nex" is not a valid command. |
| 19:58.21 | jorrit | !next |
| 19:58.21 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 19:58.28 | lh | neo7: i go to their irc channel and send mails saying that they need to get their shit together |
| 19:58.32 | lh | politely |
| 19:58.39 | jorrit | When is the number of slots decided? |
| 19:58.45 | lh | do not *ever* make me show up in your irc channel to nag you. i have a long memory. |
| 19:58.49 | lut4rp | harsha, you can't edit your application anymore. The deadline is over. |
| 19:58.51 | lh | *very* long. |
| 19:58.57 | [particle] | no lie. |
| 19:58.58 | lh | jorrit: yes there will be 1000 students funded |
| 19:58.59 | neo7 | lh: was that sarcastic comment on me ? |
| 19:59.02 | neo7 | ? |
| 19:59.10 | z4chh | !timeline |
| 19:59.10 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:59.11 | neo7 | hahahaha |
| 19:59.11 | lh | neo7: no it was the truth.. |
| 19:59.15 | jorrit | lh: I know that. But when will it be divided per org? |
| 19:59.23 | jorrit | lh: so I know how many my org will get. |
| 19:59.25 | lh | abusing our gsoc students is one way to make me not happy. |
| 19:59.36 | lh | jorrit: sometime late next week is what we're aiming for preliminary numbers wise |
| 19:59.40 | jorrit | ok thanks |
| 19:59.54 | JefferyM | ponders ways to lower the number of crap apps if bzflag gets the honor of soc next year. |
| 20:00.07 | hypa7ia | JefferyM: make them do homework |
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| 20:00.14 | brlcad | lh: woo hoo, one org has submissions only down sligthly (25%) while the other is up impressively (~40%) |
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| 20:00.19 | hypa7ia | JefferyM: all but a handful of the apps we got were great |
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| 20:00.31 | omniter | o wise lh, plz grant Ogre moar slotz |
| 20:00.34 | desrt | wonder why bzflag sounds familiar to him |
| 20:00.35 | brlcad | hypa7ia: we make them to patches as it is |
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| 20:00.40 | JefferyM | hypa7ia we did that too, but we got a bunch of crap submissions at the end. |
| 20:00.43 | lh | brlcad: which one is down? |
| 20:00.48 | lh | omniter: no. |
| 20:00.53 | hypa7ia | well crap submissions are safe to ignore |
| 20:00.53 | omniter | lol it was a joke |
| 20:00.58 | lh | omniter: i know |
| 20:01.02 | neo7 | lh: how many slots to Joomla? |
| 20:01.06 | omniter | :D |
| 20:01.06 | JefferyM | Im thinking we break it into 2 sections, first part you come to us, talk to us, and submit a one line proposal |
| 20:01.11 | lut4rp | neo7, its not been decided yet. |
| 20:01.17 | hypa7ia | like the one who emailed me his app and then when asked to go submit it to melange tried to install python to run melange?!? |
| 20:01.23 | lut4rp | neo7, ask the organization, not lh :) |
| 20:01.26 | lh | neo7: no one knows how many slots an org gets right now, including me |
| 20:01.28 | brlcad | lh: cad is down unfortunately, still way more than we could handle though and they're almost all very strong proposals |
| 20:01.33 | JefferyM | then we say no more new apps, and spend the rest of the time working with those that have apps to make them good apps |
| 20:01.35 | lh | if you want to know how many apps an org got, ask the org |
| 20:01.43 | lh | brlcad: hrm. |
| 20:01.44 | neo7 | ok |
| 20:01.46 | lut4rp | lh, boy, you *do* have a tough time :-) |
| 20:01.58 | desrt | gnome got 1200 applications |
| 20:02.03 | hypa7ia | !! |
| 20:02.03 | socinfo | Error: "!" is not a valid command. |
| 20:02.06 | lh | advocates teachingopensource.org as a way to organize all your mentoring for students you cant take as part of gsoc |
| 20:02.06 | lut4rp | ! |
| 20:02.07 | hypa7ia | that's nuts, desrt |
| 20:02.09 | vinc456 | desrt: whoah |
| 20:02.10 | lh | lutthis is nothing |
| 20:02.10 | omniter | holy crap, desrt |
| 20:02.11 | hypa7ia | we got 27 |
| 20:02.12 | siam | desrt 1200 ! |
| 20:02.16 | jorrit | desrt: 1200! How does that compare to last year? |
| 20:02.17 | lh | holy fuck desrt really? |
| 20:02.24 | desrt | illustrates the problem with "asking the organisation" :) |
| 20:02.25 | SRabbelier | lh: of course not :P |
| 20:02.28 | lut4rp | are you serious? |
| 20:02.29 | omniter | i think he means 120... |
| 20:02.32 | snizwickit | hypa7ia: what project are you with? |
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| 20:02.36 | lh | notes that she clearly is tired and is not sanitizing the speech |
| 20:02.39 | lh | smacks self |
| 20:02.49 | hypa7ia | snizwickit: xelerance, which is openswan / DNSSEC tools / OTR |
| 20:02.50 | desrt | lh: you of all people should know better :) |
| 20:02.50 | brlcad | lh: noteworthy that there are approximately 20% fewer slots too, so we're about on par with last year variance-wise |
| 20:02.58 | neo7 | lh: yeah I think the same |
| 20:02.59 | jbailey | lh, Smacking self is no fun. |
| 20:03.06 | desrt | jbailey: 'sup? |
| 20:03.14 | lh | jbailey: all hail jeff! :) |
| 20:03.20 | ajuonline | yeah ask someone else to do that |
| 20:03.20 | jorrit | I don't remember how many applications CS got last year. But we have 30 now. |
| 20:03.21 | ajuonline | jbailey: yo!! |
| 20:03.26 | literal | desrt: 1200? are you serious? |
| 20:03.33 | lut4rp | lh, i'm trying to help you out a bit here :) |
| 20:03.34 | omniter | jorrit, cs? crystal space? |
| 20:03.36 | lh | suspects desrt is full of crap |
| 20:03.36 | neo7 | Leslie Hawthorn: because a few hours back I got lectures from you.. |
| 20:03.37 | desrt | literal: we established that, no, i am not :) |
| 20:03.37 | jorrit | omniter: yes |
| 20:03.38 | jbailey | desrt, Not much. Watching a checkout in one window, watching a build in another. |
| 20:03.38 | neo7 | :P |
| 20:03.44 | jbailey | desrt, You? |
| 20:03.46 | jbailey | lh, Hi. =) |
| 20:03.48 | jbailey | ajuonline, =) |
| 20:03.54 | desrt | jbailey: why aren't you swordfighting?! |
| 20:03.59 | lh | neo7: unless you'd like me to discuss what you were saying to me by privmsg in this channel, i suggest you drop it |
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| 20:04.31 | jbailey | desrt, I don't have a sword that's under 25 pounds equivalent at full arms reach. |
| 20:04.32 | desrt | hypa7ia: rumour has it OTR is teh suck :p |
| 20:04.34 | neo7 | lh: of course not infront of 571 people |
| 20:04.41 | patri | thinks it is intriguing to sit idle and just read this channel |
| 20:04.44 | hypa7ia | desrt: noes! |
| 20:04.44 | neo7 | :P |
| 20:04.51 | lut4rp | agrees with patri |
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| 20:05.02 | desrt | hypa7ia: apparently end-to-end TLS over xmpp is the future and OTR is just a temporary hack for IM protocols that don't have proper security :p |
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| 20:05.25 | hypa7ia | desrt: anyone who says that doesn't get OTR |
| 20:05.26 | lh | neo7: then drop it dude.] |
| 20:05.35 | hypa7ia | desrt: :p |
| 20:05.35 | patri | has been doing so for 3 hours |
| 20:05.40 | neo7 | lh: dropped :) |
| 20:05.43 | gregarei | lh: Does the 'students who are now mentors' email go out on a public list? |
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| 20:05.54 | ajain | extended away |
| 20:06.15 | lh | gregarei: what do you mean by your question? |
| 20:06.23 | brlcad | lh: curious, 'hrm' sounds pensive -- penny for those thoughts? |
| 20:06.37 | SRabbelier | lol, and we crashed down to our regular 15QPS :P |
| 20:06.49 | jorrit | ok, time to go for me. lh: thanks for helping us all in navigating through GSoC hurldes every year again and again. You have a lot of patience :-) |
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| 20:07.13 | ajuonline | lends some patience from lh |
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| 20:07.19 | gregarei | lh: I remember a bunch of emails relating to students who are now mentors going out, and I want to try and make sure I am on that list this year if/when that goes ous |
| 20:07.23 | gregarei | s/ous/out |
| 20:07.30 | lut4rp | decides to poke through the Melange source code |
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| 20:07.43 | lh | hallelujah, patches for melange are welcomed with cookies |
| 20:07.46 | lh | ajuonline: er? |
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| 20:08.00 | lh | gregarei: oh that email goes out to the students list after we accept new students |
| 20:08.03 | Mkop2 | applauds lh for having a ton of patience. Thanks for everything! |
| 20:08.09 | Corsix | lh: real cookies or HTTP cookies? |
| 20:08.09 | ajuonline | lh: i have been ballistic in my behavious these days ;) |
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| 20:08.18 | ajuonline | behaviour* |
| 20:08.23 | lh | ajuonline: you've been fine |
| 20:08.27 | lh | Mkop2: powered by love |
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| 20:08.51 | Mkop2 | and cookies |
| 20:09.03 | neo7 | Computer are like air conditioners: they stop working when you open windows. ;) |
| 20:09.18 | freebsd-rwatson | neo7: ... and fall out? |
| 20:09.19 | Mkop2 | neo7: don't start a flame in here. |
| 20:09.39 | ajuonline | neo7: i run windows fine. all the time. |
| 20:09.49 | neo7 | =) |
| 20:10.04 | gregarei | isnt touching that with a 10ft pole, and hopes everyone else does the same |
| 20:10.06 | neo7 | ajuonline: fine no worries |
| 20:10.13 | neo7 | I run Fedora all the time |
| 20:10.24 | neo7 | :) |
| 20:10.25 | lut4rp | is now on his 3rd OS. |
| 20:10.26 | chunmun | high fives neo7 |
| 20:10.35 | neo7 | chunmun: thanks |
| 20:10.45 | lut4rp | I should give FreeBSD a run someday |
| 20:10.53 | freebsd-rwatson | recommends running multiple OS's, otherwise you don't know what you're missing. |
| 20:10.53 | caden|flrshcon | why limit yourself to 1 operating system? |
| 20:10.55 | patri | wants to know when ubuntu 9.04 will be released |
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| 20:11.04 | Ownatik | my hardware is not completely supported on fedora .. =/ I always have a couple troubles I can't get to fix |
| 20:11.05 | caden|flrshcon | high-fives freebsd-rwatson |
| 20:11.05 | chunmun | wonders if M$ will ever c/dare to participate in soc :P |
| 20:11.07 | lut4rp | freebsd-rwatson, seriously :) |
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| 20:11.14 | freebsd-rwatson | has computers running at least four OS's in his office most days (windows, linux, freebsd, and mac os x) |
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| 20:11.29 | freebsd-rwatson | had problems getting an opensolaris VM to work properly, needs to fix that. |
| 20:11.30 | lut4rp | patri, April end, of course. |
| 20:11.41 | neo7 | freebsd-rwatson: solaris? |
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| 20:11.50 | lut4rp | chunmun, possible. |
| 20:12.00 | lut4rp | chunmun, not MS directly, but an MS project. |
| 20:12.25 | chunmun | lut4rp: I wonder :P |
| 20:12.27 | lut4rp | we do have MSPL as a GPL compatible license, ASP.NET MVC was open sourced, and stuff going on all the time. |
| 20:12.47 | lut4rp | too bad they don't participate. |
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| 20:12.59 | lut4rp | likes some Microsoft products a lot |
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| 20:13.17 | ajuonline | lut4rp: go to #windows this is #gsoc :P |
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| 20:14.20 | Mkop2 | neo7 left the room. :-) |
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| 20:14.28 | Mkop2 | sorry for being happy about that |
| 20:14.43 | lut4rp | :| |
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| 20:15.22 | caden|flrshcon | don't worry i'm sure he'll be back ;) |
| 20:15.29 | jaguarandi | !next |
| 20:15.29 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 20:15.52 | lut4rp | chunmun, DirectX is one thing we miss in *nix |
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| 20:15.54 | lut4rp | :) |
| 20:16.08 | pavelo | we do? |
| 20:16.21 | lut4rp | OpenGL doesn't come close. |
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| 20:16.26 | Corsix | DirectX would give you most commercial games |
| 20:16.29 | aoszkar | I do |
| 20:16.38 | mdc | is pleasantly reading proposals |
| 20:16.40 | chunmun | lut4rp:who cares.. |
| 20:16.43 | aoszkar | that's one of the main reaasons I keep a Windows machine |
| 20:16.45 | lut4rp | yeah, openGL simply lacks the power of DirectX |
| 20:16.51 | Landon | it seems ogre and friends have some serious <3 for windows :( |
| 20:17.05 | gregarei | lut4rp: I think that was intentianal on M$'s part to create and close source it |
| 20:17.10 | chunmun | lut4rp: I ve proposed with ideas of CLI only systems :) |
| 20:17.13 | lut4rp | gregarei, of course :) |
| 20:17.16 | chunmun | *I ve been |
| 20:17.20 | summatusmentis | Landon: I've been dead all day, and I slept for 5 hours, I don't know how you do it on 15 minutes :) |
| 20:17.22 | lut4rp | games is a Windows niche. |
| 20:17.31 | Landon | summatusmentis: getting through the night is the trick |
| 20:17.39 | chunmun | hates to agree |
| 20:17.42 | summatusmentis | then once you're up, you're ok? |
| 20:17.44 | Landon | summatusmentis: I had a 30 minute nap between classes |
| 20:17.48 | Landon | yeah pretty much |
| 20:17.51 | Landon | a little zombieish |
| 20:17.55 | Landon | but all the processes are running |
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| 20:17.56 | Landon | :) |
| 20:18.02 | Landon | I'm in the flow too |
| 20:18.09 | Landon | I've got the flow? |
| 20:18.10 | caden|flrshcon | Landon: less than 9 hrs sleep makes me feel physically ill |
| 20:18.10 | Landon | hm |
| 20:18.13 | Landon | something |
| 20:18.17 | gregarei | Landon: As long as youre not overrun with zombie processes |
| 20:18.23 | gregarei | Then its all o-k |
| 20:18.24 | Landon | it only took me something like 20 hours of uptime to achieve it :P |
| 20:18.27 | antarus | hrm, there was an article about losing sleep... |
| 20:18.32 | Landon | I don't want to sleep now or I won't make any progress anymore |
| 20:18.42 | Landon | caden|flrshcon: I've been playing with my sleep schedule all week |
| 20:18.53 | Landon | eventually I want to get up to a polyphasic schedule for the summer |
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| 20:19.01 | Landon | make it easier to cut down on sleep time |
| 20:19.02 | gregarei | Landon: Please tell me youre not trying uberman |
| 20:19.09 | Landon | no |
| 20:19.10 | Landon | something sane |
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| 20:19.37 | summatusmentis | Landon: polyphasic? as in, 28 hour days? |
| 20:19.40 | caden|flrshcon | that's funny i was loading random cartoons on xkcd and there was one about the 28 hour day |
| 20:19.53 | gregarei | Good, sanity helps with GSoC apps. :) |
| 20:19.54 | Landon | summatusmentis: as in, not one big chunk of sleep |
| 20:20.00 | summatusmentis | ah, power nappign |
| 20:20.03 | summatusmentis | napping* |
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| 20:20.09 | Landon | if I do one big chunk of sleep, I end up sleeping for at least 40% of the day |
| 20:20.11 | Landon | and that's lame |
| 20:20.14 | summatusmentis | yeh |
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| 20:20.22 | antarus | Landon: never ;p |
| 20:20.28 | antarus | says the guy who woke up at noon |
| 20:20.34 | Landon | hehe |
| 20:20.38 | Landon | but I'm so darn productive! |
| 20:20.47 | latitude | !timeline |
| 20:20.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 20:20.53 | Landon | I even fixed something that was annoying me in the thousand parsec 3d client :D |
| 20:21.00 | Landon | needs MOAR |
| 20:21.21 | caden|flrshcon | bah einstein slept 10 hours a day |
| 20:21.25 | caden|flrshcon | good for the creative brain |
| 20:21.46 | nixbox__ | does anyone know how many apps were submitted? |
| 20:21.51 | Landon | creative? bah, I'm an engineer |
| 20:22.03 | literal | nixbox__: 5663 |
| 20:22.07 | ochot | caden|flrshcon: napoleon slept for 4 or something like that...you want to be genious or conquer the world? :) |
| 20:22.07 | desrt | hypa7ia: is your part of the world raining? |
| 20:22.09 | patri | 5887 |
| 20:22.15 | casinaroyale | !next |
| 20:22.15 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 20:22.16 | Landon | 1337 |
| 20:22.17 | literal | ah |
| 20:22.26 | nixbox__ | :S |
| 20:22.32 | krzaqpl | Huh, so it's almost 6 persons / 1 spot? |
| 20:22.46 | literal | well no, some students have more than one applications |
| 20:22.48 | krzaqpl | well, 6 applications / spot |
| 20:22.50 | caden|flrshcon | ochot: napoleon died in exile |
| 20:22.55 | Landon | not even 6 apps/spot |
| 20:22.58 | Landon | :P |
| 20:22.58 | nixbox__ | if thats true, its less competitive than last year, but why would the number of applicants be less? |
| 20:23.08 | krzaqpl | 's why I said "almost" >:) |
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| 20:23.15 | Landon | nixbox__: they're holding onto current jobs for their dear lives? |
| 20:23.16 | Landon | *shrug* |
| 20:23.17 | patri | 5887 apps, 3497 students, 1000 slots |
| 20:23.19 | ochot | caden|flrshcon: nothing's perfect :) |
| 20:23.22 | hypa7ia | desrt: it's been pouring on and off all day |
| 20:23.26 | krzaqpl | Thanks patri. |
| 20:23.27 | desrt | blah |
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| 20:23.55 | caden|flrshcon | plus i'd rather have my name be associated with genius than with a complex |
| 20:23.57 | desrt | was sort of hoping for the "regional, blow away soon" factor |
| 20:24.04 | nixbox__ | Landon, well when the economy tanks, people go back to school, so i dont know... |
| 20:24.04 | patri | krzaqpl : welcome and good night (or good day to you) |
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| 20:24.17 | krzaqpl | is GMT+2 |
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| 20:24.26 | caden|flrshcon | however i'll realistically end up in a cardboard box with 30 cats, so anything above that is gravy |
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| 20:24.36 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
| 20:24.39 | ochot | lol, way to go |
| 20:24.46 | _killerfox_ | Is the application deadline already closed? I cannot edit my proposal |
| 20:24.48 | Landon | from amazon: Dear Amazon.com Customer, |
| 20:24.50 | Landon | As someone who has shown an interest in sleep, you might like to know about the |
| 20:24.51 | Landon | following offer: |
| 20:24.52 | ochot | _killerfox_: yes it is |
| 20:24.53 | Landon | I like sleep |
| 20:24.54 | Landon | :) |
| 20:24.57 | lut4rp | _killerfox_, yes, its closed. |
| 20:25.05 | ochot | you can only add comments if you like |
| 20:25.11 | desrt | Landon: that's a pretty funny email :) |
| 20:25.59 | murph | lol, Landon, I would not qualify for that e-mail :) |
| 20:26.06 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
| 20:26.09 | _killerfox_ | crap! |
| 20:26.11 | Landon | :o hi murph |
| 20:26.13 | _killerfox_ | thanks |
| 20:26.25 | murph | ^__^ |
| 20:26.37 | Landon | is sick of jelly beans |
| 20:26.41 | Landon | and I'm blamin you |
| 20:26.47 | murph | hahaha |
| 20:26.48 | murph | :D |
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| 20:26.54 | murph | I am totally not! :D |
| 20:26.54 | ThomasWaldmann | the application quality at the end was a bit lacking :) |
| 20:27.07 | Landon | murph: [mharrison] and I have some jelly beans to sell you then! |
| 20:27.08 | murph | split his case though |
| 20:27.16 | Landon | I'm unimpressed by all of the latte beans :\ |
| 20:27.16 | murph | lolol |
| 20:27.17 | hypa7ia | Landon: jelly bellies? |
| 20:27.31 | Landon | hypa7ia: 24 pounds of deformed jelly bellies! |
| 20:27.33 | murph | i didn't get that many latte ones, i don't think |
| 20:27.37 | dhaun | ThomasWaldmann: with 6 seconds to go, it's hard to write a full-fledged proposal (one of our applicants managed that) |
| 20:27.39 | murph | a fair number but nothing crazy |
| 20:27.42 | Landon | I get like 10% latte in each bag |
| 20:27.43 | Landon | :p |
| 20:27.49 | murph | wows |
| 20:27.58 | hypa7ia | Landon: o_0 |
| 20:28.01 | ThomasWaldmann | dhaun: sure, but even the titles lacked |
| 20:28.02 | Landon | too bad they don't seem to screw up the good beans |
| 20:28.04 | Landon | like dr pepper |
| 20:28.08 | stevenj | 6 seconds on the first submission or an update? |
| 20:28.08 | murph | mmmm i love those ones |
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| 20:28.39 | hypa7ia | Landon: watermelon? |
| 20:28.39 | dhaun | stevenj: the timestamp says it was submitted 6 seconds before the deadline |
| 20:28.42 | hypa7ia | those are the best |
| 20:28.47 | Landon | hypa7ia: they screw some of those up! |
| 20:28.51 | hypa7ia | yay! |
| 20:29.06 | Landon | like ... a dozen per 2 pound bag |
| 20:29.13 | ThomasWaldmann | 1 Week study on the book to use for the project. |
| 20:29.16 | ThomasWaldmann | 2 to 3 weeks Presentation of the first step. |
| 20:29.22 | Landon | murph: do you get a lot of 7up ones? |
| 20:29.22 | ThomasWaldmann | ^^!! |
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| 20:29.30 | murph | Landon, 7up? naw |
| 20:29.32 | Landon | or whatever they are, translucent sea green |
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| 20:29.39 | Landon | I get even more of those than latte |
| 20:29.39 | murph | i got a whole lot of watermellon =) i loves them. |
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| 20:31.04 | pygi | hi folks |
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| 20:31.10 | Landon | hi pygi |
| 20:31.11 | pygi | how are you doing? |
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| 20:31.26 | phrame | so who else is relieved it's over? |
| 20:31.34 | bcarlyon|laptop | ! |
| 20:31.36 | bcarlyon|laptop | I IS! |
| 20:31.49 | Landon | pygi: FRIDAY |
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| 20:31.53 | Landon | :P |
| 20:31.56 | phrame | i had a last minute idea and submitted it 41 seconds before the deadline. :D |
| 20:31.57 | scorche | phrame: over?...it is just beginning1 ;) |
| 20:32.00 | hypa7ia | where does one obtain defective jelly beans? |
| 20:32.14 | desrt | is relieved that the constant stream of /msg has ended |
| 20:32.22 | Landon | hypa7ia: on the jelly belly website they sell belly flops |
| 20:32.27 | phrame | scorche: the stress of writing the applications, i mean. |
| 20:32.32 | SRabbelier | bwinton: ping |
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| 20:32.47 | bwinton | SRabbelier: pong. |
| 20:32.51 | Landon | phrame: now comes the stress of waiting |
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| 20:33.05 | phrame | Landon: i can handle that. :] |
| 20:33.05 | scorche | phrame: i didnt write any...i just have to wade through them all ;) |
| 20:33.11 | SRabbelier | bwinton: I got me a list with creation date here, any suggesions on how to process? |
| 20:33.18 | phrame | oh lol scorche |
| 20:33.19 | desrt | hypa7ia: same place as anything else -- active surpluss |
| 20:33.28 | desrt | -s |
| 20:33.35 | phrame | scorche: what organization are you from? |
| 20:33.42 | Landon | hypa7ia: http://www.jellybelly.com/Shop/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=95698 |
| 20:33.49 | scorche | Rockbox and Sugar Labs |
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| 20:33.55 | bwinton | "sum( list[:i] for i in range(len(list)) )"? |
| 20:34.00 | phrame | nice |
| 20:34.02 | bwinton | (Uh, modulo off-by-one errors.) |
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| 20:34.36 | bwinton | SRabbelier: What are you using to process it? Some sort of charting app/library? |
| 20:34.43 | SRabbelier | bwinton: nothing atm :) |
| 20:34.53 | SRabbelier | bwinton: I've got a list of datetime.datetime objects |
| 20:35.20 | anirudh | !next |
| 20:35.21 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
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| 20:35.41 | bwinton | If you wanted to (and were allowed to) email them to me, I could try whipping something up. |
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| 20:37.58 | Alex_GenMAPP | stepped out right after the deadline. was a total number of applicants given? |
| 20:38.54 | bobbens | Alex_GenMAPP: almost 6000 proposals almost 3000 students iirc |
| 20:39.07 | bobbens | or was it near 4k students |
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| 20:39.16 | Alex_GenMAPP | bobbens thanks |
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| 20:39.30 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP: 3500 students applying, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after we blog about it on monday |
| 20:39.36 | pi31415926535 | ah i can still edit my proposal?? how come? |
| 20:39.47 | ninadsp | bobbens: closer to 3500 studendts and 5700 applications |
| 20:39.48 | ishika | pi 314 are you sure ? |
| 20:39.51 | Alex_GenMAPP | lh: thanks! my lips are sealed :) |
| 20:40.02 | bobbens | ninadsp: I'm an engineer, I round to the nearest order of magnitude :P |
| 20:40.06 | lh | Alex_GenMAPP: merci |
| 20:40.23 | ishika | hi |
| 20:40.25 | pi31415926535 | well i didnt click on the link but the link is still there let me try |
| 20:40.41 | pi31415926535 | woops : This page is inactive at this time. :D |
| 20:40.46 | ishika | lol |
| 20:40.53 | ishika | :D |
| 20:40.59 | ninadsp | bobbens: :) |
| 20:41.42 | ninadsp | bobbens: i have many engineers (to be) around me... seen that often... :) |
| 20:41.54 | bobbens | go engineers! :P |
| 20:42.01 | ishika | hey one basic question, nevermind , why does googlesoc give money to students for open source projects ? that does make other orgs feel less important , what do you think? |
| 20:42.47 | hypa7ia | Landon: this is a very dangerous link you have sent me |
| 20:42.50 | hypa7ia | o_0 |
| 20:44.19 | murph | ishika, i don't understand. what orgs feel less important? closed source ones? |
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| 20:46.07 | Landon | hypa7ia: ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm http://icanhascheezburger.com |
| 20:46.18 | Landon | situation avoided! |
| 20:46.33 | ishika | no |
| 20:46.43 | ishika | the ones that are not selected for gsoc |
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| 20:46.59 | hypa7ia | mmm cheezeburger |
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| 20:47.28 | hypa7ia | ishika: i'm pretty sure the groups which don't get accepted understand that even google doesn't have infinite resources |
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| 20:48.45 | hypa7ia | ishika: or are you saying they shouldn't support anyone? your question is not very clear |
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| 20:50.15 | murph | ishika, obviously resources are limited. Were there many organizations that applied and were rejected? I haven't heard that story. |
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| 20:50.44 | murph | they need to be large enough to support students and have mentors, obviously. |
| 20:51.53 | ninadsp | murph: the twitter update for gsoc says that 386 organisations had applied... and 150 were selected... |
| 20:52.04 | murph | ah |
| 20:52.09 | mmadia | some of my mentors are asking if there will be a preliminary assignment of student slots -- eg, to help with the review process. |
| 20:52.11 | murph | isn't a twitter person |
| 20:52.19 | homunq|afk | !numapps |
| 20:52.20 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam . |
| 20:52.35 | homunq|afk | hmmm... not the datum I wanted. |
| 20:52.36 | borja | mmadia: we will be given a preliminary number later next week |
| 20:52.36 | mmadia | i wasn't able to find an answer in the faq, student allocation page, or timeline. |
| 20:52.43 | lh | mmadia: later this week |
| 20:52.50 | mmadia | thank you borja, lh. |
| 20:53.20 | omniter | WTF my body suddenly reeks of cologne! |
| 20:53.25 | omniter | i don't use cologne! |
| 20:53.27 | SantiByron | !next |
| 20:53.28 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
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| 20:55.25 | chofmann | I've had several mentors sign up in the last hour or so but I don't see them as incoming requests. anyone else having that problem? |
| 20:55.49 | homunq|afk | I missed the rush, and the scrollback is too long. Did lh announce the total number of student applications yet? |
| 20:55.53 | amit8-89 | !next |
| 20:55.54 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 20:56.18 | homunq|afk | !students |
| 20:56.19 | socinfo | Error: "students" is not a valid command. |
| 20:56.23 | lh | homunq|afk: 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday |
| 20:56.32 | p_l | :-) |
| 20:56.33 | homunq|afk | lh: thanks |
| 20:56.35 | hkpco | good bye guys. :-) |
| 20:56.42 | omniter | holy cow that's a lot |
| 20:56.43 | SirMatthew | wow |
| 20:56.57 | SirMatthew | I submitted only 4, even that's a lot |
| 20:57.00 | omniter | hey i was right! it's about 1.5 proposals per student :D |
| 20:57.04 | homunq|afk | !learn numapps as There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 20:57.05 | p_l | what about lolcats? It's too late for today but I was thinking of borrowing a cat tommorrow ;-) |
| 20:57.05 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:57.08 | SirMatthew | only 3 really count though... maybe even just 2, haha |
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| 20:57.30 | p_l | sent 4, and only three of them have any real chances... |
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| 20:58.09 | Murmuria | !next |
| 20:58.09 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
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| 20:58.18 | lh | p_l: i accept lolcats anytime |
| 20:58.18 | SirMatthew | p_l, yeah, same here |
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| 20:58.23 | p_l | I doubt I'd accept the one where I proposed to port LLVM to Plan9 :P |
| 20:58.57 | smtms | p_l, you did that!? |
| 20:59.03 | p_l | ^^; |
| 20:59.09 | SirMatthew | Have a good night everyone. |
| 20:59.14 | Landon | only sent one proposal |
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| 21:00.09 | p_l | smtms: it would be nice/evil to hijack everyone and slip C++ into Plan 9 |
| 21:00.16 | chofmann | lh: is there a way to see of the mentor signup queue is wedged? |
| 21:00.26 | lh | chofmann: pardon? |
| 21:00.34 | lh | bbialb |
| 21:00.56 | pygi | lh, ! |
| 21:01.06 | patri | !lh |
| 21:01.06 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 21:01.07 | chofmann | several people have signed up as mentors for the mozilla project in the last hour, but I don't see them as incoming requests |
| 21:01.55 | p_l | smtms: my more realistic proposal would also get me flamed on 9fans... |
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| 21:05.34 | p_l | imagines "dynamic linking" are kind of like bright colors to enraged bull... |
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| 21:08.37 | anothy_x | p_l: getting a plan9 a.out target for llvm would be pretty neat. i don't think you'd get much flame for that. ron would probably love it. |
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| 21:10.00 | p_l | anothy_x: some people hate C++. Not like I don't dislike it, but I recall someone saying "LLVM/clang is not much better than GCC being written in C++" :/ |
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| 21:11.34 | p_l | also, presence of dynamic linker means someone *will* try to make shared libs someday... |
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| 21:16.31 | tilmann_ | p_l: so where's their compiler written in $FANCY_LANGUAGE which can compete with LLVM/GCC? |
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| 21:17.06 | anothy_x | we don't have anything which attempts to compete with llvm. and $FANCY_LANGUAGE==C. |
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| 21:18.44 | smtms | p_l, what's your fourth proposal? |
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| 21:19.01 | tilmann_ | anothy_x: plan9 has its own c compiler? |
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| 21:19.20 | p_l | smtms: two of them were in-tree drivers for AoE in NetBSD and Free BSD |
| 21:19.23 | p_l | tilmann_: kencc |
| 21:19.38 | anothy_x | tilmann_: yup. |
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| 21:19.49 | ahuillet | wants barbiecc |
| 21:20.01 | locutus4 | why they didn't extend timeline ? |
| 21:20.03 | anothy_x | that's kencc as in Ken Thompson's C Compiler. |
| 21:20.13 | ahuillet | sorry, couldn't help it... |
| 21:20.22 | ahuillet | locutus4 : why would they have done it? |
| 21:20.39 | locutus4 | they always did |
| 21:20.44 | Corsix | so? |
| 21:20.44 | ahuillet | factually wrong |
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| 21:20.50 | ahuillet | they did it exactly once: last year |
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| 21:21.06 | anothy_x | even if it were true, that'd be a good reason not to. |
| 21:21.24 | tilmann_ | p_l: anothy_x: interesting |
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| 21:21.45 | p_l | my proposal for dynamic loader library in reality serves as an important tool in the program for Lisp wold domination :D |
| 21:21.52 | anothy_x | one of our 2007 GSoC projects was to get kencc working on linux producing ELF binaries. |
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| 21:25.19 | nblracer | when did google stop tacking aplications |
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| 21:25.31 | Corsix | at & GMT |
| 21:25.32 | nblracer | i thought it ended today |
| 21:25.33 | Corsix | at 7 GMT |
| 21:25.34 | anothy_x | about two and a half hours ago. |
| 21:25.39 | nblracer | bah |
| 21:25.42 | bwinton | lh: ping |
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| 21:25.48 | nblracer | that sucks |
| 21:26.06 | nblracer | i thought i had all day to day |
| 21:26.11 | mmadia | the deadline has been well published. |
| 21:26.14 | ahuillet | read the friendly manual |
| 21:26.21 | ahuillet | nobody is going to pity you here |
| 21:26.24 | ochot | heh...friendly :) |
| 21:26.29 | mib_l467v3yb | ney is there any way to upload my application now? |
| 21:26.36 | nblracer | i'm not asking for your pitty |
| 21:26.37 | ochot | mib_l467v3yb: nope |
| 21:26.54 | locutus4 | anyone applied to JBoss ? |
| 21:26.59 | ahuillet | nblracer : well, you're complaining for nothing inany case :) |
| 21:27.01 | ahuillet | *in any |
| 21:27.20 | nblracer | not complaining |
| 21:27.25 | geekius_caesar | lol |
| 21:27.26 | mib_l467v3yb | actually my network created a problem suddenly |
| 21:27.27 | ochot | nblracer: just check the timeline better next year. You'll survive |
| 21:27.36 | mib_l467v3yb | so it's not my problem |
| 21:27.43 | mib_l467v3yb | y should I suffer/ |
| 21:27.44 | mib_l467v3yb | ? |
| 21:27.49 | ochot | mib_l467v3yb: it's not anyones problem |
| 21:27.53 | Corsix | because the world is cruel |
| 21:28.00 | nblracer | mib_l467v3yb i did not say it was your problem |
| 21:28.00 | mib_l467v3yb | sorry it's not my mistake |
| 21:28.06 | ochot | anything can happen, you should've taken it into account |
| 21:28.06 | ishika | mib maybe u can write google a apology |
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| 21:28.15 | hypa7ia | mib_l467v3yb: your mistake was not applying earlier in the past 2 weeks |
| 21:28.18 | ishika | and |
| 21:28.23 | ochot | nblracer: mib_l467v3yb was talking about his problem :) |
| 21:28.28 | ishika | then they would allow u to submit |
| 21:28.31 | nblracer | oh i'm off |
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| 21:28.52 | ishika | Google is full of friendly folks |
| 21:29.00 | ahuillet | so what was he expecting to get... |
| 21:29.02 | Corsix | like friendly lawyers who say no |
| 21:29.07 | ochot | :) |
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| 21:29.16 | murph | eep nm |
| 21:29.16 | ishika | lol |
| 21:29.21 | ahuillet | I bet he did not even *realize* that April 3rd doesn't end at the same time everywhere on earth |
| 21:29.35 | ochot | ahuillet: probably |
| 21:29.58 | geekius_caesar | it doesn't? |
| 21:30.07 | ochot | geekius_caesar: are you kidding? |
| 21:30.19 | ochot | geekius_caesar: scratch that |
| 21:30.21 | geekius_caesar | maybe.. |
| 21:30.27 | Murmuria | lol |
| 21:30.34 | icez | april 3rd doesn't but the deadline ends at the same time everywhere |
| 21:30.57 | Corsix | it always ends at 11:59 PM local time |
| 21:31.34 | Murmuria | Is this the first time Google did not extend the deadline? |
| 21:31.38 | ochot | yup, but 19:00 UTC april 3rd means it was just april 2nd somewhere else still :) |
| 21:31.54 | ochot | Murmuria: IMO they extended it last year, but never before (or since) |
| 21:32.01 | t0ms | ochot: i don't think so |
| 21:32.24 | cristi | guys, just because most of you did manage to simbit your proposals, it doesn't mean to pick on those who didn't |
| 21:32.25 | ahuillet | Murmuria : google extended the deadline last year *only* |
| 21:32.34 | ahuillet | I don't know where you got the idea that it always happened previously :) |
| 21:32.51 | geekius_caesar | cristi: what folks here trying to say is Google's time is absolute |
| 21:32.52 | ochot | cristi: you're right. I'm off |
| 21:32.53 | pygi | ahuillet, it happened in 2007th also.. |
| 21:32.55 | pygi | and in 2006... |
| 21:33.05 | lh | just because it happenned before doesnt mean it will happen again. the end. |
| 21:33.22 | ahuillet | pygi : ok, now I must admit it's blurry |
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| 21:33.38 | pygi | ahuillet, I wasn't around in 2005th tho :p |
| 21:33.42 | Murmuria | ahuillet, there were always unfortunate delays... specially in declaring the results... |
| 21:33.46 | pygi | lh, so that means no more cocoa and cookies?\ |
| 21:33.53 | Murmuria | :P |
| 21:33.55 | ahuillet | Murmuria : that does not count as extending the deadline. |
| 21:34.08 | Murmuria | ya, so its blurry in my memory too |
| 21:34.09 | ahuillet | three days of unplanned delay is not an official deadline extension |
| 21:34.23 | Murmuria | oh, whatever |
| 21:34.26 | ahuillet | and as far as I can remember it did not happen except in 2008 but you're making me doubt now :) |
| 21:34.45 | freebsd-rwatson | google time (beta) |
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| 21:34.59 | Murmuria | no point discussing that... GSoC will stick to deadlines this year... its a strong message... we should all help... |
| 21:36.04 | ochot | Lot's of people said that applications are higher quality than ever before anyway |
| 21:36.23 | ochot | meaning people=mentors for a few projects |
| 21:36.53 | ishika | what is the total number of applications received ? |
| 21:36.55 | ochot | hopefully it's gonna be a good year for GSoC projects |
| 21:37.04 | ochot | !numapp |
| 21:37.05 | socinfo | Error: "numapp" is not a valid command. |
| 21:37.09 | ochot | or what was it.. |
| 21:37.11 | ochot | !appnum |
| 21:37.11 | socinfo | Error: "appnum" is not a valid command. |
| 21:37.14 | ochot | damn :) |
| 21:37.25 | ochot | !numapps |
| 21:37.25 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 21:37.33 | anothy_x | ochot: not uniformly, but that was certainly the trend for us. our average quality dropped, but we got one very nice application literally in the last minute. |
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| 21:37.59 | ochot | anothy_x: I guess great minds have trouble keeping time :-) |
| 21:38.07 | ishika | which org anothy ? |
| 21:38.12 | anothy_x | plan9 |
| 21:39.04 | ochot | anothy_x: that's nice project...I used some of plan9 userspace tools when I had wmii as a WM. Keep it up |
| 21:39.16 | anothy_x | thanks |
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| 21:40.39 | harrynguyen | !search * |
| 21:40.39 | socinfo | There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 21:41.00 | harrynguyen | !factoids search * |
| 21:41.01 | socinfo | 'soc', 'support', 'answer', 'soc2007', 'soc2006', 'soc2005', 'advice', 'objective', 'piracy', 'webapp', 'offtopic', 'yes', 'python', 'haha', 'sample', 'soc2008', 'ghop', 'tea', 'notme David Christopher Anderson is not danderson. He is a spammer who has signed up', 'odds', 'log', 'dunno', 'relax', 'melange', 'blog', 'swag', 'notapply', 'when', 'thanks', 'socinfo', 'faq', 'orgcriteria', 'login', 'logs', (2 more messages) |
| 21:41.10 | harrynguyen | !more |
| 21:41.10 | socinfo | 'bug', '18', 'botsnack', 'google', 'userguide', 'cheese', 'numapps', 'timeline', 'bugs', 'features', 'dontcry', 'cake', 'whynot', 'orglist', 'whytwolists', 'read', 'orgs', 'rejected', 'orgbylang', 'orgbylocation', 'orgbyloc', 'orgsbylang', 'allocations', 'peak', 'orgsbycat', 'orgbycat', 'stats', 'topic', 'ubuntu', 'security', 'wiki', 'ponies', 'what', 'wtf', 'eoa', 'askyourorg', 'eligible', 'noorg', (1 more message) |
| 21:41.14 | harrynguyen | !more |
| 21:41.14 | socinfo | 'lowerascii', 'doitanyway', 'slots', 'srabbelier', 'anyone', 'logo', 'help', 'time', 'ask', 'tracker', 'around', 'lh', 'deadline', 'extension', and 'next' |
| 21:41.26 | Corsix | !wtf |
| 21:41.26 | socinfo | "wtf" is (literally) What The Fuck , means we have *really* no idea what the heck you are talking about. Further explanations are urgently needed. |
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| 21:42.26 | ishika | !wtf |
| 21:42.26 | socinfo | "wtf" is (literally) What The Fuck , means we have *really* no idea what the heck you are talking about. Further explanations are urgently needed. |
| 21:42.37 | ishika | lolZZZZZ |
| 21:42.42 | schumaml | you can /msg the bot |
| 21:42.48 | harrynguyen | !stats |
| 21:42.49 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 21:42.51 | t0ms | gn |
| 21:43.50 | Corsix | schumaml: bot responds with "error: X is not a valid command" |
| 21:44.45 | schumaml | interesting |
| 21:45.00 | schumaml | anyway, don't use it to spam the channel |
| 21:45.27 | ishika | !more |
| 21:45.27 | socinfo | Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 21:45.29 | ishika | !wtf |
| 21:45.29 | socinfo | "wtf" is (literally) What The Fuck , means we have *really* no idea what the heck you are talking about. Further explanations are urgently needed. |
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| 21:46.07 | omniter | !learn notme as David Christopher Anderson is not danderson. He is a spammer who has signed up. |
| 21:46.07 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:46.12 | omniter | !forget notme David Christopher Anderson is not danderson. He is a spammer who has signed up |
| 21:46.12 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 21:46.18 | omniter | that was an error |
| 21:46.26 | SRabbelier | omniter: nice fix :P |
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| 21:46.34 | omniter | :) |
| 21:46.56 | omniter | curious... |
| 21:46.58 | omniter | !srabbelier |
| 21:46.58 | socinfo | "srabbelier" is Sverre Rabbelier, one of the Melange developers. |
| 21:46.58 | schumaml | omniter: was this from last year? |
| 21:47.13 | omniter | schumaml, no, i just saw it in the list, and figured it was a mistake |
| 21:47.18 | schumaml | or did the same person try to spam-apply again? |
| 21:47.19 | omniter | somebody forgot to type "as" |
| 21:47.40 | ishika | !lh |
| 21:47.40 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
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| 21:47.47 | Murmuria | !omniter |
| 21:47.47 | socinfo | Error: "omniter" is not a valid command. |
| 21:47.52 | omniter | so it learned the word + the definition instead of learning the word as the definition |
| 21:47.59 | ishika | !spearce |
| 21:47.59 | socinfo | Error: "spearce" is not a valid command. |
| 21:48.04 | ishika | hi |
| 21:48.07 | ishika | aye |
| 21:48.08 | SRabbelier | ishika: stop it please |
| 21:48.18 | ishika | how do i add a definition to my name like that ? |
| 21:48.36 | omniter | you shouldn't. that would be abuse. =\ |
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| 21:48.50 | ishika | just playing around , sorry. |
| 21:49.04 | monsieurp | !next |
| 21:49.05 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 21:49.09 | ishika | is it only for the important members ? |
| 21:49.41 | r0bby | !timeline |
| 21:49.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:49.42 | omniter | they're added by the admins, or added by other people in good taste, and approved by the admins |
| 21:49.57 | ajain | ishika: its just for soc commands and admins |
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| 21:50.22 | SRabbelier | ajain: not even admins really :P |
| 21:50.26 | tntcoda | mmm bored now :( :p |
| 21:50.54 | ajain | SRabbelier: hmm okay. goit now :_) |
| 21:50.55 | ajain | :) |
| 21:50.58 | ishika | hmmmm, okay :) |
| 21:51.10 | omniter | does anyone else find that !next is used a bit too much? |
| 21:51.20 | ishika | i do |
| 21:51.34 | SRabbelier | omniter: yes, quite so |
| 21:51.39 | ishika | coz everyone's eager to see whats next |
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| 21:51.48 | omniter | shouldn't people know what's coming up next? i mean by now you should have a pretty good idea of what's to come |
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| 21:52.11 | ahuillet | 17 days of more or less nervous waiting :] |
| 21:52.23 | ajain | yeah thats pretty much common sense.. |
| 21:52.25 | ajain | i think ppl are more interested in knowing what's print out here by the bot. |
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| 21:52.32 | ajain | s/print/printed |
| 21:52.35 | omniter | lol |
| 21:52.53 | omniter | i put a progress bar in my MSN name for it |
| 21:53.01 | omniter | :p |
| 21:53.11 | SRabbelier | omniter: for shame, you admit to using MSN |
| 21:53.24 | midwepM | are there any stats released yet? |
| 21:53.30 | ajain | he he .. i did that last year.. i made a plugin for pidgin which decreased time automatically till deadline :D |
| 21:53.30 | omniter | midwepM, numapps |
| 21:53.32 | lifeeth | !stats |
| 21:53.33 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 21:53.33 | lh | midwepM: monday on the google open source blog |
| 21:53.35 | omniter | !numapps |
| 21:53.35 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 21:53.50 | lh | that works too |
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| 21:53.56 | omniter | SRabbelier, i just leave it on. at least i don't use facebook :p |
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| 21:54.25 | omniter | facebook is such a timesucker. |
| 21:54.40 | lh | twitter, the ultimate time sink. |
| 21:54.42 | omniter | s/timesucker/lifesucker |
| 21:54.58 | hypa7ia | i <3 twitter so much |
| 21:54.59 | borja | !slots |
| 21:54.59 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 21:55.04 | hypa7ia | it's how i find out about all the 0-days |
| 21:55.06 | hypa7ia | mwahaha |
| 21:55.11 | blast007 | "Where are you taking me!?" "Into the Twittersphere!" |
| 21:55.16 | hypa7ia | lorf |
| 21:55.16 | lh | hypa7ia: that's the problem. too much fun. |
| 21:55.22 | Corsix | tweetdeck = twitter + facebook feeds in one lovely package |
| 21:56.23 | ajaksu | hi folks |
| 21:56.52 | omniter | hey the Most Active Times function is sinusoidal :D |
| 21:56.58 | omniter | sort of... |
| 21:57.01 | omniter | okay not really |
| 21:57.10 | ahuillet | omniter : ? |
| 21:57.17 | omniter | !stats |
| 21:57.17 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 21:58.07 | ishika | omniter: stop it please ! :D |
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| 21:58.15 | omniter | ishika, i'm just showing ahuillet |
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| 21:58.27 | ishika | ok |
| 21:58.37 | sameer_a | nite |
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| 21:58.43 | ajaksu | ethical/technical question here: I'm helping a student with advice and hints on his application and have just seen the text for the first time... now, there are many many English-related improvements I can (and want to) suggest, but I know (from chats) his English is that bad... is there a way to help delivering the message without hiding the language issue? |
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| 21:59.51 | ahuillet | ajaksu : you'll want to go straight to the point without hurting feelings |
| 21:59.59 | ahuillet | for starters, is his native language english ? :) |
| 22:00.07 | lh | ajaksu: yes, let him know his ideas are very good but that they could be expressed better. ask him if he minds help with his grammar and then offer the help |
| 22:00.13 | BenReilly | Hey everyone. I realize that the deadline just passed, but I've been kind of out-of-service from a recent ankle break; any chance I can still slide my application under the door? |
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| 22:00.58 | smtms | the policy is to offer no exceptions to anyone |
| 22:01.14 | SRabbelier | BenReilly: fraid not |
| 22:01.34 | BenReilly | All right, thanks anyway. |
| 22:01.47 | Alex_GenMAPP | lol, the stats are hilarious... poor r0bby! |
| 22:02.15 | ahuillet | ajaksu : many people who have problems with english take it fairly well when you provide help, as long as it's not delivered in a way that is perceived as condescending |
| 22:03.26 | ajaksu | ahuillet, lh: no, we have discussed the language issue before, to the point that it's very clear to me he knows a lot more than what he can express makes it seem |
| 22:03.49 | ahuillet | ajaksu : I'm sorry then I probably misunderstood you |
| 22:03.53 | SRabbelier | Alex_GenMAPP: how come hilarious? |
| 22:03.58 | cjhopman | yeah, the "big numbers" stats are funny |
| 22:04.03 | SRabbelier | ahuillet: he's asking whether it's ethical for him to fix the language isssues |
| 22:04.05 | ajaksu | the issue is: will mentors still be able to assess the language barrier if we tidy the text up? |
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| 22:05.24 | ahuillet | ajaksu : oh, the problem being that if you clean it up, the mentors will discover that this person isn't as good with english as the application makes it seem? |
| 22:06.29 | garbus | Will be possible to enter some corrections to application? |
| 22:06.42 | ajaksu | ahuillet: or that they won't be able to measure how easy it'll be to communicate with said student (well, I guess I could keep proxying too :D) |
| 22:06.42 | schumaml | in the comments |
| 22:06.51 | garbus | schumaml: Just? |
| 22:07.01 | schumaml | yep |
| 22:07.02 | ajaksu | SRabbelier: correctamondo :) |
| 22:07.11 | garbus | schumaml: Can I comment my application? |
| 22:07.12 | icez | ajaksu, how about leaving a note to the mentors that the writing was helped by you to make it more clear and perhaps give them a way to see the unchanged document? |
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| 22:07.44 | schumaml | garbus: you can add comments if the mentor(s) did comment on it |
| 22:07.47 | garbus | I send it 2 minutes before deadline :-) So it is imprecise. |
| 22:07.50 | ahuillet | ajaksu : then suggest the person you are helping to add a line about how his english is not very good, explaining that he's willing to work on it etc.? |
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| 22:08.36 | garbus | And it has not details, cause time ended. |
| 22:08.40 | garbus | no* |
| 22:08.47 | ahuillet | I think it's OK if there's a line saying that you've helped, after all it benefits everyone |
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| 22:09.03 | lh | !numapps |
| 22:09.04 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 22:09.10 | ajaksu | icez, ahuillet: if melange supports looking at previous versions of the application, that would surely be an interesting solution... 'here are the ideas with some editing by ajaksu because my english could be better, see previous version for my original work'... |
| 22:09.44 | icez | ajaksu, perhaps, but you can always put the original in google docs (and dont forget to make that document public) and link to it |
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| 22:10.26 | icez | you can create documents inside melange I think |
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| 22:10.49 | SRabbelier | icez: yes you can |
| 22:10.55 | ahuillet | ajaksu : is this person's grammar bad enough that it would seriously impair communication? in any case, organizations will probably want to talk to the student directly to ask about task plans or what |
| 22:11.24 | ajaksu | ahuillet: yes, it is bad enough :/ |
| 22:11.30 | ahuillet | (as a side note, I think GSoC FAQ is missing the not-absolutely-obvious fact that you have to know english "well enough" to successfully participate) |
| 22:11.55 | ahuillet | (without any prejudice against anyone, but it's very difficult to get involved in open source without some english) |
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| 22:12.07 | ajaksu | ahuillet: well, if the mentor can understand the student in another language that would work too, right? |
| 22:12.12 | ahuillet | oh definitely |
| 22:12.24 | ahuillet | it just does not happen very often :) |
| 22:12.25 | SRabbelier | ahuillet: very true |
| 22:12.28 | ajaksu | err, except for comments, individual reports, etc |
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| 22:12.41 | ajaksu | comments as in code comments :) |
| 22:12.43 | ahuillet | whenever IRC or mailing lists are involved, the language is going to be english |
| 22:12.49 | ahuillet | anything public is going to be english |
| 22:13.12 | ajaksu | yep |
| 22:13.57 | ahuillet | I got involved in Nouveau (the reverse engineered nvidia driver) two years ago, and many of the developers are french, most of the time we were having private discussions in french because it was easier for everybody |
| 22:15.19 | ahuillet | still I don't know many projects for which decent english isn't required |
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| 22:18.14 | mhutch | lh: are students supposed to be able to edit their proposals after submitting? |
| 22:18.30 | lh | mhutch: abstract yes, proposal no, if they have linked to an outside resource they can edit there |
| 22:18.44 | mhutch | ouch |
| 22:18.52 | zooko | Wish I'd thought of that before the deadline. |
| 22:18.54 | ajaksu | lh: whoa, not the proposal? |
| 22:19.07 | ArthurLiu | lh: http://tinyurl.com/ck9vy8 doesn't seem to be working for me.. |
| 22:19.17 | makmanalp | lh: i think you need to add tha to the topic, since that's about the 30th time in the past couple of hours :P |
| 22:19.22 | mhutch | lh:we've been telling students they could refine their proposals after submission & feedback, like past years |
| 22:19.23 | makmanalp | *that |
| 22:19.25 | ArthurLiu | "Welcome to Google.com Webmail, Powered by Google. Take advantage of Google's innovative webmail technology, and enjoy the convenience of accessing your mail from virtually anywhere. " |
| 22:19.45 | ajaksu | mhutch: me too |
| 22:20.00 | zooko | I told my students that too. Then I told them not. Then I told them too again. Then I told them "Screw it, just do your best RIGHT NOW." |
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| 22:20.16 | mhutch | lh: doesn't this kinda conflict with the "tell students to submit asap" message? |
| 22:20.59 | spectie | ArthurLiu, it doesn't seem to work for me either |
| 22:21.04 | lh | mhutch: they can still update via comments |
| 22:21.13 | ArthurLiu | lh, it looks like you shared it on some google internal google app instance |
| 22:21.23 | SRabbelier | lh: we're going to add the checkbox |
| 22:21.28 | SRabbelier | lh: please tell people that if they ask |
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| 22:22.03 | lh | SRabbelier: what checkbox? |
| 22:22.09 | lh | ArthurLiu: crap, fixing hang on |
| 22:22.20 | SRabbelier | lh: one that can be set by mentors that will allow students to edit their proposal |
| 22:22.22 | mhutch | SRabbelier: thank! |
| 22:22.24 | mhutch | s |
| 22:22.32 | ArthurLiu | lh, or wait until may so I can login with my google intern credentials :) |
| 22:23.29 | lh | SRabbelier: awesome. :) |
| 22:23.39 | zooko | tells his students too again. |
| 22:24.05 | SRabbelier | lh: we may not do this for another few days though, so peoples need to be patient :P |
| 22:24.07 | ajaksu | phew, so I was wrong but will be right in the near future :) |
| 22:24.19 | zooko | tells his students to be patient. |
| 22:25.24 | lh | ArthurLiu: try this link please |
| 22:25.25 | lh | http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=ck8xSEZueGMyQWc2ZXI1TXJmTUhpbnc6MA.. |
| 22:25.41 | ArthurLiu | worksforme! |
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| 22:25.48 | lh | ArthurLiu: thanks! |
| 22:25.53 | freebsd-brooks | zooko: you can always have the student put their app online anywhere and reference it from their abstract |
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| 22:27.34 | ArthurLiu | title: "Copy of Quick Organization Applications Survey" fail :) |
| 22:28.46 | lh | ArthurLiu: at this point i dont care |
| 22:29.19 | lh | but its fixed anyhiw |
| 22:29.22 | lh | anyhow |
| 22:30.37 | ArthurLiu | lh, you confound ineligible with "worth founding" ? |
| 22:30.44 | Alex_GenMAPP | lh, is this for org admins? or all mentors? (if this is none of my business and will be announced later, please ignore :) |
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| 22:31.09 | ArthurLiu | we marked 2 applications as inelligible out of 40, one was a duplicate, the other was empty |
| 22:31.57 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: nice! |
| 22:31.58 | ArthurLiu | but there's *max* 16 out of the remaining 38 we *would like* ask for founding as "worth founding" |
| 22:32.12 | ArthurLiu | s/ask/to ask/ |
| 22:32.51 | murph | founding? how about funding? :) |
| 22:33.10 | spectie | we got twenty ineligible / 80 or so -- but 9 from the same guy |
| 22:33.33 | icez | woah |
| 22:33.37 | ArthurLiu | spectie, what were your criterias ? |
| 22:33.38 | Corsix | 9 submissions to the same org? |
| 22:33.48 | ArthurLiu | amazingly, none of our students posted more than one proposal |
| 22:33.51 | spectie | ArthurLiu, "did they just paste in the application template" |
| 22:33.57 | spectie | ArthurLiu, we'd not spoken to the guy before |
| 22:34.02 | spectie | i guess he just panicked |
| 22:34.45 | pygi | ArthurLiu, 16 slots is pretty much in these conditions |
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| 22:34.59 | ArthurLiu | yeah, we wouldn't ask for 16 |
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| 22:35.37 | ArthurLiu | we would ask for 16 if there were no limits at all, the other being not worth mentor's time, money or not |
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| 22:37.04 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: funny how you were feeling low about having only 6 applications last week :P |
| 22:37.26 | ArthurLiu | yeah well... |
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| 22:37.39 | ArthurLiu | I'm new here at admining :) |
| 22:37.57 | glaksmono_ | !next |
| 22:37.57 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: can we say "told you so"? :D |
| 22:37.58 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
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| 22:38.03 | ArthurLiu | bah |
| 22:38.03 | glaksmono_ | hah? |
| 22:38.08 | glaksmono_ | why i could still edit my proposal? |
| 22:38.18 | glaksmono_ | nevermind it's inactive |
| 22:38.19 | glaksmono_ | lol |
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| 22:43.08 | nixbox | !next |
| 22:43.08 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
| 22:43.20 | nixbox | ooo |
| 22:43.44 | Ivanovic | nixbox: lovely, isn't it? |
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| 22:45.35 | TBOL3 | So, how many total applications were their? Maybe it's on the site, but I didn't see it. |
| 22:45.36 | SantiByron | !numapps |
| 22:45.37 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 22:49.02 | chx | So... how do i write emails to students? |
| 22:49.05 | TBOL3 | Ok, I won't |
| 22:49.14 | TBOL3 | But i just wanted to know my chances... |
| 22:49.35 | TBOL3 | Could I ask how the decisions are made? |
| 22:49.53 | Ivanovic | TBOL3: the orgs decide on who they want |
| 22:49.54 | LAZy_BOy | TBOL3, ask your org |
| 22:49.59 | Ivanovic | ask the orgs you applied at |
| 22:50.40 | TBOL3 | No, that's not what I meant, I knew that. Apperently, you allocate how many people the orgs can have, based upon how many applications they got? Is what I ment. |
| 22:50.46 | mdc | The manner of deciding is left up to each individual mentoring organization. |
| 22:50.52 | lh | !slots |
| 22:50.52 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 22:51.00 | lh | TBOL3: all the news you can use ^^ |
| 22:51.16 | mdc | sorry, lh, I misunderstood the question. |
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| 22:51.36 | TBOL3 | thanks! |
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| 22:52.48 | Ivanovic | lh: since i mentioned the amount of people listing their proposal in our wiki, i now have done some basic matchin on who of those listing stuff in our wiki also linked their wiki page in the proposal (or submitted at all, that is) |
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| 22:52.53 | Ivanovic | http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas#GSoC_Student_pages |
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| 22:53.07 | Ivanovic | as you see, most of the people creating a wiki page also submitted their proposal |
| 22:53.17 | nixbox | Ivanovic, yup it is hehe, i am waiting for it |
| 22:53.55 | peterfriese | what happens if the contents of a submission appears garbled - is there a way they can still change it? |
| 22:54.05 | lh | Ivanovic: nice to see thanks |
| 22:54.30 | Ivanovic | currently 35 applications, so we got some work to do with reviewing them... |
| 22:54.32 | lh | peterfriese: they can update the comments and do work to review with you on a mailing list, etc. externally linked resource - abstract is updatable |
| 22:54.47 | lh | we will allow proposal text to be updated soon if a mentor allows it, but that is not yet enabled |
| 22:55.08 | peterfriese | lh: ok, that's cool. thx! |
| 22:55.26 | Ivanovic | (though we will be rather hard as in those not reacting on our comments and not available in irc will get a negative rating) |
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| 22:56.33 | mdc | "Double, double toil and trouble; |
| 22:56.34 | mdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.51 | WinterMute | isn't is "Hubble, bubble"? |
| 22:56.59 | mdc | (Macbeth) |
| 22:57.43 | mdc | Hubble: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2000/20/image/a/ |
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| 22:58.12 | mdc | Imagine seeing a stream of particles from the center of a black hole. |
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| 22:59.30 | vinod | can i know how many applications were submitted |
| 22:59.40 | hypa7ia | !numapps |
| 22:59.40 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 23:00.49 | ajaksu | to all: collaborative, real-time text editing is a blessing, I don't think I'll be able to work in the good ol' "hundreds of versions by email" way again :D |
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| 23:01.24 | vinod | nice to here that there are about 3500 students. i hope this summer's GSoC is going to be very successful again. |
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| 23:02.12 | vinod | socinfo: can i know how many apps were submitted to ASF org. |
| 23:02.12 | socinfo | Error: "can" is not a valid command. |
| 23:02.33 | vinod | k. i'm sry. |
| 23:03.20 | mickey | sounds like someone *really* wants to work for you... |
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| 23:03.34 | vinod | how many apps were submitted to ASF org. |
| 23:04.08 | lh | vinod: ask the asf |
| 23:04.19 | vinod | k. |
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| 23:06.20 | ajuonline | lh: are the #melange guys taking a break ;) a well deserving on over the weekend:P |
| 23:06.30 | ajuonline | or the action has just begun ? |
| 23:06.39 | ajuonline | one* |
| 23:06.56 | maco | ajaksu: gobby? |
| 23:07.11 | lh | ajuonline: i sure hope they are |
| 23:07.13 | lh | i am, sorta |
| 23:07.15 | lh | speaking gig |
| 23:07.51 | ajaksu | maco: that was what got me started on it, right now I'm using http://etherpad.com due to weird network topology :D |
| 23:10.29 | humbert | lh: i heard.. las vegas, right? |
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| 23:12.27 | lh | humbert: true |
| 23:13.02 | Corsix | try not to loose all of the GSoC money in a las vegas casino ;) |
| 23:14.11 | Ivanovic | lh: currently looking at the form regarding org application survey |
| 23:14.54 | Ivanovic | lh: the "% of the eligible applications are worth funding" is *problematic* if you are rather strict in the criteria of which ones to take and which ones not |
| 23:15.19 | lh | Ivanovic: do not be scientific in your answer. |
| 23:15.25 | Ivanovic | (as in we require activity in irc as well as seeing some code, preferably patches against our own stuff |
| 23:15.27 | lh | just pick the one that works best |
| 23:15.39 | ojwb | !extension |
| 23:15.39 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 23:15.40 | Ivanovic | when looking from this perspective i would have to set a really low value |
| 23:15.54 | Ivanovic | when looking from overall, i have to say that it is very good... |
| 23:15.56 | ojwb | grins |
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| 23:17.35 | ojwb | hmm, impressive - someone manage to misspell "swig" in the title of their proposal |
| 23:17.56 | Ivanovic | so if we were just looking from the irc perspective we would be around the "60% worth funding" (hey, communication *matters*) |
| 23:18.41 | zooko | Maybe they have a Svedish accent and they pronounce it "svig". |
| 23:18.54 | ojwb | "SWIP" |
| 23:19.17 | zooko | Simple Wrapper and Interface Prognosticator |
| 23:19.26 | ajuonline | lh: take care :) /me goes sleep |
| 23:19.29 | Ivanovic | i think i will stay with "very good" since this does in general describe the quality quite well (at least regarding the terms used) |
| 23:19.47 | Ivanovic | anyway, time to head off to bed, n8 |
| 23:19.57 | lh | ajuonline: rest well |
| 23:20.06 | lh | ojwb: that is um impressive |
| 23:20.28 | kpreid | do you think it would be reasonable to use the comment function to say "of my proposals, I would rather work on this one?" |
| 23:20.38 | Ivanovic | kpreid: sure |
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| 23:28.31 | mdc | lh: this must be the calm after the storm :) |
| 23:29.09 | Landon | before the april 20 storm |
| 23:29.15 | mdc | Indeed. |
| 23:29.44 | sadrul | out of curiosity, [m]any GNU screen users here? |
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| 23:31.07 | lh | mdc: indeed :) |
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| 23:31.20 | ojwb | sadrul: lots I'd imagine |
| 23:31.22 | ajuonline | mdc: chewed up all the proposals ? ;) |
| 23:33.15 | nikosapi | sadrul: I am. |
| 23:33.47 | pedronveloso | sadrul: me too :P |
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| 23:33.58 | mdc | ajuonline: Firefox and DownThemAll is a great combination ;) |
| 23:34.13 | mdc | The a bit of custom parsing/filtering code... |
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| 23:34.51 | mdc | s/The/Then/ |
| 23:35.08 | mdc | lol |
| 23:35.21 | mdc | ibot: Thanks, dude :) |
| 23:35.21 | ibot | bitte, mdc |
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| 23:36.10 | nixbox | sadrul, i use screen sometimes when i need to log my shell sessions :P |
| 23:36.39 | mdc | The evaluation process is really important. It's a little like matchmaking. Getting the right students with the right mentors. |
| 23:37.52 | ajuonline | mdc: dude thats a bot :P |
| 23:38.26 | ojwb | lh: the app review guide says "Please note that you cannot mark an application as Ineligible once it has been scored or a comment appended to it." but I can for one with public and private mentor comments which has a negative score from two mentors |
| 23:38.37 | ajuonline | sent a note. is guilt free now and goes to sleep |
| 23:38.47 | lh | ojwb: methinks this is a bug. fascinating. |
| 23:38.58 | ojwb | in the code rather than the docs? |
| 23:39.05 | lh | ojwb: in the code. |
| 23:39.20 | lh | ojwb: i have the devs review the docs before i publish them |
| 23:39.47 | ojwb | in this case, I wanted to be able to - it was one of those generic "doesn't mention anything related to our org" application |
| 23:39.50 | ojwb | +s |
| 23:40.11 | lh | then i guess it is not that bad, but if you could file a bug when you get a chance would be awesome |
| 23:40.24 | ojwb | will do shortly |
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| 23:43.17 | anothy_x | i just noticed the same thing a few minutes ago, actually, and am equally glad for the bug. |
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| 23:51.16 | ojwb | anothy_x: you're welcome to file it, just let me know if you do |
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