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| 00:05.42 | ajaksu | OK, I've heard this more than once but cannot find it in the docs: is there a 'all code by the student and by the student alone' clause that makes e.g. pair programming or contributing patches to students unacceptable for Google? |
| 00:06.04 | ojwb | pair programming isn't allowed |
| 00:06.04 | ajaksu | oh, forgot to look in the student agreement :) |
| 00:06.16 | ojwb | I'm unclear what you mean by "contributing patches" |
| 00:06.22 | ojwb | you aren't allowed to subcontract |
| 00:06.59 | ojwb | as a mentor last year, I sent my student a patch when she got stuck on something and was clearly flailing |
| 00:07.20 | ojwb | not the full solution, just adding a "print" to the place that needed changing for what she was trying to do |
| 00:07.27 | ojwb | hopes that was OK |
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| 00:07.47 | ajaksu | the student has a public repository, I check it out and scratch an itch of mine that can't land in the mainline repo but fits in the student's repo... is he forbidden to accept that patch? |
| 00:07.55 | kblin | lh: ping? |
| 00:08.28 | ojwb | ajaksu: I think provided the source is acknowledged, that is fine |
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| 00:08.31 | ajaksu | ojwb: that's the point, I just want to know what my limits as 'helpful non-mentor non-student guy' are :) |
| 00:08.35 | ojwb | but I'm not the arbiter of such things |
| 00:09.02 | ajaksu | reading the Student Participant Agreement, will report back :) |
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| 00:13.10 | lh | kblin: pong |
| 00:13.22 | lh | kblin: i have to leave to catch a plane in 5 minutes |
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| 00:14.18 | bcarlyon|laptop | Is it a fighter plane? |
| 00:14.24 | bcarlyon|laptop | makes plan noises |
| 00:14.28 | bcarlyon|laptop | Dagger Dagger Dagger Dagger Dagger Dagger Dagger |
| 00:14.31 | bcarlyon|laptop | Vroom! |
| 00:14.37 | schumaml | google colored f16 at moffet? :) |
| 00:14.40 | bcarlyon|laptop | goes and sits on the couch again |
| 00:14.41 | lh | daka daka daka daka daka bcarlyon|laptop |
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| 00:14.46 | lh | schumaml: i dont rank that high dude |
| 00:14.47 | lh | :) |
| 00:14.51 | bcarlyon|laptop | :-P |
| 00:14.57 | ojwb | only a f15... |
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| 00:16.33 | bcarlyon|laptop | is embarrsed at that uber typo |
| 00:16.38 | lh | kblin: i have to go email me |
| 00:16.38 | lh | soryr |
| 00:17.59 | kblin | lh, np |
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| 00:24.00 | sadrul | cool! so a number of screen users. I wonder how the prospect of scripting support in screen sounds to you guys. |
| 00:24.38 | ajaksu | ojwb: I think pair programming is disallowed based on this student requirement -> "(a) that any Project Submission is your own and original, previously unpublished, and previously unproduced work;" |
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| 00:27.02 | ajaksu | if so, I think pair programming should fall in the same slot as patches... that is, both should be allowed (given explicit disclaimers and possibly requiring that the contributor signs an agreement too) |
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| 00:30.27 | ojwb | doesn't think you'll convince anyone that pair programming is OK |
| 00:31.07 | ojwb | but accepting patches seems reasonable provided it's clear they aren't the students work to everyone |
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| 00:31.31 | ojwb | students have been failed before for trying to farm out their work to others |
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| 00:32.23 | ojwb | sadrul: what would I want to script? |
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| 00:35.05 | ObsidianX | sigh, i missed gsoc =( |
| 00:35.24 | ObsidianX | i thought the deadline for submissions was much later than TODAY |
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| 00:36.31 | icez | *pats* |
| 00:37.08 | ObsidianX | :\ |
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| 00:42.08 | rwohleb | flyankur: did you send it? |
| 00:42.39 | icez | ObsidianX, you can still contribute to projects and try again next summer |
| 00:43.06 | ObsidianX | of course i'll try again next summer, it just really pisses me off because this would have been my summer job |
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| 00:44.01 | ojwb | if you start work on your application for next year now, you can have it in the moment applications open! |
| 00:44.01 | ObsidianX | and thats just one more opportunity to do GSoC down the drain |
| 00:44.14 | ObsidianX | is it valid to have quite a bit of work done to begin with when i start? like if i were to be working on it before next year's gsoc? |
| 00:44.37 | ObsidianX | or do the projects need to be started from scratch to be valid |
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| 00:46.33 | icez | well most projects already have a big codebase and you add to that so you don't have to have a new program or plugin completely |
| 00:47.19 | ObsidianX | well no, but what i mean is can i bring work in that was developed by myself outside of GSoC and have it be valid? |
| 00:47.44 | Landon | google only counts what you've done during the summer iirc |
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| 00:47.53 | Landon | so don't do it all at once |
| 00:47.53 | Landon | :p |
| 00:48.08 | ObsidianX | but getting a good base to start from is valid? |
| 00:48.15 | icez | well...I'm sure in some cases that might work, but you can't be a student and a mentor and an admin all at once :P |
| 00:48.27 | MattJ | That said, making contributions to your chosen project between now and next summer is going to make you *much* more likely to get accepted |
| 00:48.27 | ObsidianX | thats not what i mean |
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| 00:48.43 | kpreid | ObsidianX: IIUC it's perfectly fine to already be working on the codebase for the existing project -- you just have to write your proposal to be *new* work. |
| 00:48.54 | ObsidianX | alright |
| 00:49.08 | ObsidianX | can that new work be an addition to what was already made? thats what i've been getting at |
| 00:49.19 | ObsidianX | like lets say i've been writing some huge pidgin plugin |
| 00:49.30 | ObsidianX | but there's some major features that aren't done or that im going to add |
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| 00:50.15 | ObsidianX | having already made the base plugin and published it to the world, can i go to gsoc and say "i want to finish this under gsoc" |
| 00:50.24 | MattJ | If major features then I would think so, yes |
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| 00:50.36 | icez | and if one of the organization accepts yes |
| 00:50.42 | MattJ | Really it's up to the Pidgin folk on whether they would accept that |
| 00:50.58 | ObsidianX | okay, but as far as the gsoc rules are concerned, thats still valid? |
| 00:51.09 | icez | yes |
| 00:51.23 | ObsidianX | alright, thank you =) |
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| 00:57.43 | ajaksu | ojwb: sad thing is that the student in question almost withdrew his application because we'll have this sort of limits... it's one of those clear "I'll do it regardless of being accepted" cases, and we're all (mentor, student and this here helping guy) very interested in the end results so we'd like to be able to work as a development team would :) |
| 00:59.34 | skbohra | !next |
| 00:59.34 | socinfo | "next" is accepted students announced on 20 April |
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| 00:59.58 | ajaksu | as the student (former mentor due to age, then former student btw) says "GSoC works like that, and we're kind out-of-GSoC-league" :/ |
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| 01:06.22 | MatthewWilkes | !timeline |
| 01:06.23 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 01:06.56 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next |
| 01:06.56 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 01:07.18 | chx | ojwb: why did you delete that? it was useful imo |
| 01:07.39 | ojwb | socinfo: learn next as Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 01:07.40 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 01:07.46 | ojwb | chx: improving it! |
| 01:07.59 | chx | ahhh hah |
| 01:08.03 | chx | ojwb: thanks |
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| 01:21.47 | Dragon_pld | hello |
| 01:22.32 | johnmb | hello guys, maybe one of you can help me. I'd like to build a website that serves files, the thing is that the site (and the files) must be password protected |
| 01:22.44 | johnmb | What would be a good framework to do it? |
| 01:24.25 | freebsd-brooks | johnmb: any non-trivial webserver can do that, you'll have to be more specific |
| 01:25.01 | johnmb | I'm new to this area, so far I have done some simple stuff with django and grails |
| 01:25.30 | johnmb | It's a basic website, password protected, that has a database of files with descriptions |
| 01:25.45 | johnmb | when a user logs in, it browses the files and selects one of them to download |
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| 01:27.58 | johnmb | freebsd-brooks: what framework would you recommend? |
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| 01:28.29 | ojwb | sighs - someone asking on our irc channel when the deadline is |
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| 01:29.30 | enginuitor | Happy duedate, everyone :-) |
| 01:29.59 | freebsd-brooks | johnmb: personally, I'd probably write a shell script to generate some static html and put it under basic auth, but I'm old school that way :) |
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| 01:30.29 | freebsd-brooks | johnmb: any number of other projects here will have more advanced answers :) |
| 01:30.55 | ojwb | johnmb: I don't see why a framework is required - apache with mod_autoindex can do it |
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| 01:31.23 | johnmb | ojwb: because I might have to add some other features later |
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| 01:31.49 | ojwb | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_autoindex.html |
| 01:31.57 | johnmb | That's why I'd like to start with a framework, so I can get more flexible later |
| 01:32.33 | johnmb | ojwb: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
| 01:36.00 | anothy_x | anyone here admin or mentor for an org hosting projects from other (non-participating) orgs? |
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| 01:41.04 | dukeleto | anothy_x: yes |
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| 01:47.30 | anothy_x | dukeleto: when rating applications, are you using any technique/method for indicating "hosted" applications? |
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| 01:51.49 | anothy_x | hey, i just parsed your name. are you also melange-related? |
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| 01:52.43 | ojwb | the main problem you may find is that a mentor from the other org lined up for such a project will rate only that one (lacking expertise in the others), so it'll get an extra rating |
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| 01:57.33 | anothy_x | we checked that, but the only mentor signed up with us from their project is also knowledgeable about most of our apps. |
| 01:57.45 | anothy_x | (he was a student of ours in 2007, which is cool, i think) |
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| 02:14.01 | _xtian | . |
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| 02:25.45 | ojwb | lh, anothy_x: filed as http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=513 |
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| 02:28.27 | anothy_x | matches my impressions. |
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| 02:35.39 | ojwb | also filed one asking for a way to see what has changed in a proposal |
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| 02:36.45 | the9a3eedi | amazing how empty this channel is, now that everyone applied :P |
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| 02:38.19 | nixbox | haha yeah |
| 02:41.21 | ojwb | they're all sleeping I suspect |
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| 03:09.09 | ojwb | hmm, student claims to be proficient in a list of languages including Python |
| 03:09.28 | ojwb | he includes a link to his blog where a post on Feb 22nd says he's never used Python |
| 03:10.00 | kpreid | he must be a fast learner! grab him! |
| 03:10.10 | vinc456 | i guess python really can be learned in a few days :p |
| 03:10.34 | jetru | he must have used that sams book "in 30 days" |
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| 03:11.15 | hypa7ia | http://norvig.com/21-days.html |
| 03:11.17 | hypa7ia | :) |
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| 03:12.24 | ojwb | he does also say he's looking forward to learning it |
| 03:13.19 | skbohra | waiting for 20th |
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| 03:16.50 | ojwb | hypa7ia: nice |
| 03:17.00 | hypa7ia | great article :) |
| 03:17.33 | ojwb | likes "# Have the good sense to get off the language standardization effort as quickly as possible. " |
| 03:17.44 | hypa7ia | haha |
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| 03:19.30 | joeyadams | I read that article not long ago. I was bored and googled "How to code" |
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| 03:19.50 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 03:19.50 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 03:23.23 | dukeleto | anothy_x: it seems that our hosted orgs either have mentors that vote on everything or have no mentors signed up |
| 03:23.53 | dukeleto | anothy_x: but I supposed I could force a few people to sign up from the unrepresented orgs, but than I will have your issue :) |
| 03:24.27 | ojwb | (my issue in fact...) |
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| 03:27.10 | anothy_x | dukeleto: we don't really have an issue with the "hosted mentor" voting - he's plenty knowledgeable about the rest of the apps, too. |
| 03:28.19 | anothy_x | i think i really have a non-issue. being able to manually order the applications really avoids what i was thinking about anyway, which is just being able to decide how many "hosted" proposals to allow in, regardless of the ranking. |
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| 03:34.00 | dbrashear | anyone around who can help me get my google account re-enabled? |
| 03:35.11 | dbrashear | (i'm a mentor and a secondary org admin; gmail, gtalk and melange all logged me out around 5 hours ago and now i am told "my account is disabled") |
| 03:37.11 | anothy_x | i don't think anyone here can help you. some chance you'll have better luck in #melange, but that seems a stretch, too. |
| 03:37.19 | the9a3eedi | comments on our proposal? when does that happen? |
| 03:37.27 | the9a3eedi | and where can you check for comments? |
| 03:37.34 | ojwb | look at your proposal |
| 03:37.40 | ojwb | they should be underneath if there are any |
| 03:37.54 | ojwb | different orgs will take different approaches |
| 03:38.04 | ojwb | we've been commenting since they were submitted |
| 03:38.45 | the9a3eedi | oh.. just noticed it |
| 03:38.55 | ojwb | you can also talk to your org(s) and see if they have any feedback |
| 03:39.20 | the9a3eedi | well, since the deadline just passed today |
| 03:39.28 | the9a3eedi | I'm going to wait for a day or two and then ask for feedback |
| 03:39.34 | ojwb | you can still make comments |
| 03:39.55 | anothy_x | we've been doing what ojwb said: ongoing comments from time of submission. |
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| 03:40.29 | anothy_x | one of the important considerations for selection is student responsiveness; this helps us gauge that. |
| 03:40.46 | ojwb | yeah |
| 03:41.11 | ojwb | it's really hard to mentor a student who doesn't respond to email |
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| 03:41.38 | ojwb | or hard to do well anyway |
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| 03:48.34 | ojwb | and my cyberstalking continues - on march 13th: "trying to learn python, it seems simple at start" |
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| 03:55.54 | disismt | hey. when the mentors start rating a proposal, can the student see it. |
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| 03:57.57 | ojwb | disismt: they can't see the ratings |
| 03:58.01 | ojwb | or private comments |
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| 04:13.59 | the9a3eedi | what kind of comments do mentors put on their potential students list? |
| 04:14.08 | the9a3eedi | meh.. will have to wait to find out i guess |
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| 04:25.23 | ojwb | at least for me "you need to break the timeline up into more milestones with more detail" |
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| 04:28.49 | the9a3eedi | ojwb, are you referring to my submission by any chance? :P |
| 04:29.17 | ojwb | not explicitly, but it's a common issue |
| 04:29.35 | the9a3eedi | yeah, something tells me my timeline isn't very detailed |
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| 04:29.51 | ojwb | it's hard to really understand how long a "large" chunk will take |
| 04:29.56 | the9a3eedi | tbh, I think i rushed on the proposals. I did them all on the last 24 hours before the deadline :P |
| 04:30.00 | ojwb | and it's hard to gauge if the student is on track |
| 04:30.17 | the9a3eedi | though, they usually ask for a "rough" timeline |
| 04:30.18 | the9a3eedi | right? |
| 04:30.49 | the9a3eedi | so I was under the impression that it should be in the form of "first I'll do this, then I'll do that, and finally, Ill do this and ill finish" |
| 04:30.59 | ojwb | I think it's generally understood that most applicants haven't much experience of estimating times for stuff |
| 04:31.26 | the9a3eedi | well |
| 04:31.38 | the9a3eedi | its generally understood that a lot of applicants dont have experience. (period :P ) |
| 04:31.43 | the9a3eedi | like me, for example :P |
| 04:32.19 | ojwb | well yes, but you don't need that before you start - the timeline and milestones are how we judge how things are going |
| 04:32.31 | ojwb | so I'd expect to help you work on it |
| 04:32.42 | ojwb | but it helps to have the task broken down well to start with |
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| 04:33.34 | ojwb | and it's never going to be spot on, but if you've done 2 of the 8 things expected by the midterm, clearly you're unlikely to finish those 6 and the others timetabled for the second half |
| 04:38.35 | icez | i tried to plan for one of mine without looking at dates and I had it finished a month and a half before the midterm evaluation...woops |
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| 04:41.31 | joeyadams | icez> So what did you do the rest of the time? |
| 04:42.00 | icez | oh I rethought that proposal :P |
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| 04:47.37 | icez | joeyadams, I meant I had the "plan" finished a month and a half before the midterm eval., I've never actually been accepted before :P |
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| 04:49.09 | joeyadams | oh |
| 04:49.59 | icez | was adding to ojwb's comments about applicants not having experience with estimating timelines |
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| 05:08.46 | devilsadvocate | icez, midterm eval is 1.5 months after start, is it not? :P |
| 05:09.39 | icez | well, that's not the point, I don't remember exactly :P |
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| 05:15.04 | irahul | !next |
| 05:15.05 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 05:33.11 | ojwb | devilsadvocate: it's about 1.5 months after the start of coding |
| 05:33.47 | ojwb | it's generally expected you'll "start" during the community bonding period though |
| 05:34.13 | devilsadvocate | hrm |
| 05:34.15 | ojwb | so making sure you can check out and build if you've not already; getting familiar with the code, etc |
| 05:34.31 | ojwb | expanding on the timeline perhaps |
| 05:34.33 | ojwb | that sort of stuff |
| 05:34.52 | ojwb | http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/2007/04/so-what-is-this-community-bonding-all.html |
| 05:34.57 | ruturaj | are we allowed one change ? without comments? |
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| 05:35.37 | ojwb | you can't currently change the proposal at all |
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| 05:36.00 | ojwb | there may be an "allow student to update" button added apparently, but I'm not sure when |
| 05:36.20 | ojwb | you can make comments yourself though |
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| 06:02.59 | warthog9 | is anyone aware that melange seems to be allowing people to create new applications past the deadline? Is that intended? |
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| 06:03.46 | arunreddy | can we edit any part of application |
| 06:03.53 | icez | it doesn't let me here |
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| 06:04.19 | icez | arunreddy, and no you can't yet but that should be enabled at some time before the 20th |
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| 06:04.48 | arunreddy | why some time before 20th ? |
| 06:05.19 | icez | they're enabling it |
| 06:05.30 | icez | 20th is when all the accepted students are announced |
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| 06:08.15 | arunreddy | ok |
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| 06:17.49 | shirish_ | All i have to do now is to wait . . . . . ? |
| 06:17.57 | Landon | indeed |
| 06:18.19 | shirish_ | April 20 th right ... 20th |
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| 06:18.35 | icez | and answer your mentors' comments if they send some :) |
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| 06:18.59 | nsquare | hello guys :) |
| 06:18.59 | shirish_ | I have answered them confidently.. awaiting for more comments |
| 06:19.04 | shirish_ | hello nsquare |
| 06:19.10 | Blackhat | hello |
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| 06:19.42 | nsquare | anyone sent proposal to xelerance? |
| 06:20.01 | Blackhat | negative |
| 06:20.02 | shirish_ | thought to but abandoned the idea :) |
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| 06:20.30 | calebr | !next |
| 06:20.30 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 06:21.18 | Blackhat | does anyone has moodle gsoc stats ? |
| 06:21.20 | nsquare | xelerance's irc channel is kind of dead |
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| 06:21.41 | nsquare | noone is hardly active there |
| 06:21.49 | Blackhat | I am |
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| 06:22.27 | Blackhat | most of my friends are tired |
| 06:22.52 | Blackhat | !next |
| 06:22.53 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 06:23.55 | Blackhat | silence |
| 06:24.11 | Blackhat | silence of lambs...gsoc rising |
| 06:24.21 | Blackhat | ;) |
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| 06:29.11 | atv | i have submitted my proposal.... can i edit it no ? i mean i m still getiing edit proposal option on my link |
| 06:29.44 | t0ms | aty: but it does not allow you to edit it |
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| 06:30.49 | atv | ok thats fine . is there any link called final submit as such ... sorry i m asking stupid questions but just to confirm whethere my app is submitted or not |
| 06:31.14 | icez | no, once you saved it it's there |
| 06:31.27 | thebolt | hi |
| 06:31.41 | shirish | l0nwlf_, you there |
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| 06:32.14 | t0ms | atv: http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/list_self/google/gsoc2009/%YOURGOOGLEUSERID% |
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| 06:45.10 | r0bby | damn |
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| 06:47.45 | omniter | wooooo |
| 06:48.02 | omniter | partied hard. :) |
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| 06:48.10 | Blackhat | hmmmmmmm |
| 06:48.11 | omniter | friday niiiiight |
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| 06:49.24 | t0ms | omniter: saturday morning ;) |
| 06:49.30 | omniter | yeah yeah lol |
| 06:49.39 | omniter | i partied from 6 pm to 2:30 am |
| 06:49.43 | omniter | pretty intense |
| 06:50.00 | t0ms | hm, i was migrating VM from one XEN server to another from 11pm to 2am :D |
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| 06:50.58 | omniter | :p |
| 06:55.36 | rkirti | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.49 | rkirti | ^^: errr. excuse that. |
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| 07:04.24 | nsquare | :P |
| 07:05.08 | pi31415926535 | can any one write a code to increase the acceleration of time? (until April 20) |
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| 07:05.22 | lut4rp | hmm... |
| 07:05.49 | lut4rp | try import timemachine |
| 07:05.49 | omniter | pi31415926535, increase the acceleration of time? lol |
| 07:06.03 | lut4rp | >>> import timemachine |
| 07:06.14 | lut4rp | :p |
| 07:06.25 | omniter | pi31415926535, do you mean getting a head start by coding before the actual coding period starts? |
| 07:06.46 | lut4rp | perhaps i'll get a Traceback Error "No, you're not smarter than lh and Google" |
| 07:07.03 | pi31415926535 | lol |
| 07:07.13 | omniter | yes, as long as you do a decent amount of work during the summer as well. |
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| 07:07.38 | omniter | oh i guess i misunderstood you |
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| 07:07.59 | pi31415926535 | omniter: yeap :) |
| 07:09.11 | pi31415926535 | i need something like time = time * 2 |
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| 07:11.24 | Catfish_Man | lut4rp: the time machine belongs to guido anyway, and he works for google |
| 07:11.41 | lut4rp | Catfish_Man, oh yeah, i forgot! |
| 07:11.54 | lut4rp | realizes Google's sinister plans now |
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| 07:12.18 | lut4rp | they've probably locked "import timemachine" in a hatch |
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| 07:12.59 | l0nwlf_ | lutter: you must be a 'mentor' this time i suppose ;) |
| 07:13.44 | l0nwlf_ | lut4rp: you must be a 'mentor' this time i suppose ;) [auto-completion can be irritating sometimes] |
| 07:14.04 | lut4rp | l0nwlf_, student :) |
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| 07:14.20 | pushkalcodes | !next |
| 07:14.20 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 07:15.41 | shirish | l0nwlf_, see ya later |
| 07:15.47 | shirish | g2g |
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| 07:36.16 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 07:40.50 | Constitution | meh, pinged by a political conversation again |
| 07:41.05 | Constitution | whatever shall I do? :) |
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| 07:41.35 | pi31415926535 | !show accepted students before 20 April |
| 07:41.35 | socinfo | Error: "show" is not a valid command. |
| 07:41.38 | kblin | change the nick? ;) |
| 07:42.21 | kblin | meh, speaking of political discussions |
| 07:42.23 | GNU_D | Hi, I kind a missed the students registering deadline, is there a way to register aftewards :( ? |
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| 07:42.34 | PearlJam | GNU_D: not at all. |
| 07:42.36 | kblin | GNU_D: no |
| 07:42.46 | kblin | that's why it's called deadline |
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| 07:43.31 | reportingsjr | kblin: oh, I thought it was the time when if you tried to apply afterwards you would die... |
| 07:43.35 | thebolt | hey kblin |
| 07:43.37 | GNU_D | kblin: oh, then google calendars sucks, it sent me alert email in 9 o'clock, and the deadline was 9. |
| 07:43.48 | reportingsjr | kblin: sorry, had to say a semi-witty comment :D |
| 07:44.07 | PearlJam | GNU_D: timezone. you had two weeks to do it. i dont mean to sound rude, but that was more than enough. |
| 07:44.22 | reportingsjr | GNU_D: you should have submitted it earlier. You can edit proposals after the deadline.. |
| 07:44.28 | pi31415926535 | GNU_D: you can pick one of the topics you like and start working on it voluntarily. next year you can apply with a solid bg |
| 07:44.44 | ojwb | if there is a next year (tm) |
| 07:44.55 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 07:44.58 | pi31415926535 | ojwb: ? |
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| 07:45.24 | kblin | pi31415926535: google doesn't pre-announce stuff by company policy |
| 07:45.29 | ojwb | well, there's no guarantee that the program will run next year |
| 07:45.37 | omniter | oh nooo... |
| 07:45.38 | ojwb | so lh and co are careful not to promise |
| 07:45.49 | pi31415926535 | hmm thats sad |
| 07:45.55 | ojwb | but it's a successful program that the upper ranks of management like |
| 07:45.59 | kblin | pi31415926535: so we'll all know if there will be a next summer of code if they announce it |
| 07:46.02 | ojwb | so there's a good chance it will continue |
| 07:46.14 | ojwb | thinks it's a good policy really |
| 07:46.18 | kblin | yeah |
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| 07:46.19 | lut4rp | it has returned, it will return :) |
| 07:46.27 | thebolt | kblin: more like afternoon ;) |
| 07:46.39 | omniter | it must return!!! |
| 07:46.45 | kblin | thebolt: it's morning until a gentleman had his lunch |
| 07:47.05 | kblin | and I didn't find out which gentleman is meant yet |
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| 07:47.31 | thebolt | kblin: i am sure it means me.. i haven't had any lunch for the last couple of days.. :/ |
| 07:47.49 | thebolt | (today i was just coming back from the last dive of this trip when it was lunchtime.. ) |
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| 07:48.51 | kblin | aw, poor you ;) |
| 07:49.02 | thebolt | yea.. |
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| 07:49.20 | thebolt | i guess today also i had to save in on lunch as i paid for the diving.. damn too much :P |
| 07:49.48 | thebolt | (1400 USD.. of which 450 is helium :/) |
| 07:50.16 | reportingsjr | helium? why helium? |
| 07:51.03 | thebolt | short answer.. cause it is less narcotic than nitrogen |
| 07:51.11 | kblin | to talk with a funny voice, as well |
| 07:51.17 | thebolt | that also, yes |
| 07:51.18 | reportingsjr | kblin: :p |
| 07:51.25 | reportingsjr | less.. naroctic? |
| 07:51.29 | kblin | in a less explosive way than if you're using hydrogen |
| 07:51.36 | kblin | yeah |
| 07:51.38 | reportingsjr | umm, isn't >70% of the air N2? |
| 07:51.42 | thebolt | yes |
| 07:51.55 | reportingsjr | maybe I'm missing something. *shrug* |
| 07:52.03 | thebolt | but you don't notice the narcotic effect (which all gases have more or less) until you get a higher partial pressure |
| 07:52.21 | reportingsjr | thebolt: so you mean you get less lightheaded from He? |
| 07:52.46 | reportingsjr | ohh, less cravings for it? |
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| 07:52.50 | thebolt | for nitrogen the problems begin around 3-4 atm pressure (so 30-40 meter deep on air) |
| 07:53.15 | mithro | brlcad: ping? |
| 07:53.25 | thebolt | result is a bit like alcohol intoxication.. reduce mental ability, worse coordination etc.. |
| 07:53.33 | reportingsjr | ahhh |
| 07:53.41 | kblin | thebolt: how different is He for the depressuration side of things? |
| 07:53.42 | thebolt | so you replace some of the nitrogen with helium and you can go deeper |
| 07:53.54 | reportingsjr | I see, I see |
| 07:53.55 | thebolt | kblin: well, it is much faster just in and out |
| 07:53.58 | mithro | kblin: hey |
| 07:54.05 | kblin | hey mithro |
| 07:54.20 | reportingsjr | much faster in and out... |
| 07:54.21 | reportingsjr | hehe |
| 07:54.46 | thebolt | kblin: you get decompression obligation much quicker (just a bounce of a minute or two to 50 will "force" you to decompress slowly/staged) |
| 07:55.09 | reportingsjr | thebolt: ohh, so it's worse for decompression |
| 07:55.36 | reportingsjr | thebolt: where are you diving, anywho? |
| 07:55.45 | kblin | thebolt: ew |
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| 07:55.56 | kblin | prefers pressurized air then |
| 07:56.13 | reportingsjr | kblin: but then you get the issue he mentioned above |
| 07:56.33 | thebolt | kblin: well, you don't need long time on air to get decompression obligation at 50 meter either (ie 5 minutes or so) |
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| 07:56.41 | reportingsjr | the partial pressure rises so you get less gas in each breath, so you'll start getting light headed easier. (if I've interpreted correctly) |
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| 07:56.55 | kblin | reportingsjr: so far I've never seen nitrogen intoxication in the water |
| 07:57.11 | thebolt | reportingsjr: right now i'm sabang (philippines) for training |
| 07:57.12 | reportingsjr | I don't think it's so much intoxication as lack thereof, heh |
| 07:57.18 | reportingsjr | thebolt: I see |
| 07:57.20 | thebolt | reportingsjr: no, you get as much gas |
| 07:57.23 | macduy | !logs |
| 07:57.24 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 07:57.25 | thebolt | in fact you get more |
| 07:57.30 | reportingsjr | thebolt: what?? |
| 07:57.42 | reportingsjr | are you sure? |
| 07:57.43 | thebolt | (in liters per breath) as you breathe gas of the same pressure as the surrounding water |
| 07:58.00 | ahuillet | a liter is not a quantity of matter :) |
| 07:58.03 | reportingsjr | 0.o |
| 07:58.16 | kblin | reportingsjr: I've done a pressure chamber dive once where somebody started giggling like a teeny who had drunk alcohol for the first time |
| 07:58.27 | reportingsjr | kblin: haha |
| 07:58.30 | thebolt | kblin: i have.. felt it way more than i like to on one dive, which is why i decided to get tech training ;) |
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| 07:58.50 | thebolt | ahuillet: okay, so more moles per breath then ;) |
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| 07:59.21 | reportingsjr | I think I see now |
| 07:59.38 | reportingsjr | so basically helium has a higher partial pressure? |
| 07:59.50 | reportingsjr | so you get less He than you would N? |
| 07:59.53 | thebolt | no |
| 07:59.55 | kblin | reportingsjr: no |
| 07:59.57 | reportingsjr | dammit xD |
| 08:00.03 | thebolt | higher partial pressure == more moles into you ,) |
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| 08:00.14 | reportingsjr | ah, right |
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| 08:00.17 | thebolt | but helium is just less narcotic by itself |
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| 08:00.32 | ahuillet | reportingsjr : I do not think your sentence about partial pressure makes sense, it's not an inherent characteristic of a gas |
| 08:00.37 | reportingsjr | sorry, didn't go over partial pressures much |
| 08:00.57 | reportingsjr | ahuillet: I don't believe this stuff is stored as a gas when diving... |
| 08:01.06 | kblin | reportingsjr: if you have 70% N2 at a pressure of 5 bar, the partial pressure of N2 is 0.7 * 5 bar = 3.5 bar |
| 08:01.12 | ahuillet | reportingsjr : it sure is when it gets to your lungs, so you can mesure at this point ;) |
| 08:01.15 | thebolt | reportingsjr: of course it is |
| 08:01.24 | reportingsjr | ahuillet: right |
| 08:01.25 | kblin | reportingsjr: liquid would be mightly cold |
| 08:01.27 | reportingsjr | thebolt: not all gas? |
| 08:01.38 | thebolt | only case when its not is one of the old russian systems using liquid oxygen.. but never used in civil systems |
| 08:01.41 | thebolt | reportingsjr: its all gas |
| 08:01.47 | reportingsjr | really? |
| 08:01.50 | thebolt | compressed to 200 bar in your tanks |
| 08:01.52 | thebolt | sure |
| 08:01.59 | reportingsjr | how come it doesn't go to liquid? |
| 08:02.05 | thebolt | why should it? |
| 08:02.10 | ahuillet | we can probably make the computation but 200bar in a limited volume will make a liquid :) |
| 08:02.20 | thebolt | ahuillet: no |
| 08:02.25 | thebolt | ahuillet: not at normal temperature |
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| 08:02.27 | reportingsjr | 200bar?! holy hell! |
| 08:02.30 | reportingsjr | but.. |
| 08:02.32 | kblin | ahuillet: not at room temperature |
| 08:02.38 | reportingsjr | pv = nRt |
| 08:02.50 | reportingsjr | bleh |
| 08:03.02 | thebolt | reportingsjr: yes, so? |
| 08:03.17 | reportingsjr | so if it were at 200bar it would come out really freaking cold anyways! |
| 08:03.28 | sameer_a | !timeline |
| 08:03.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 08:03.33 | thebolt | reportingsjr: no |
| 08:03.46 | thebolt | it gets hot when compressing, but you cool that away |
| 08:03.51 | reportingsjr | actually, it's p1*v1/t1 = p2*v2/t2, isn't it? |
| 08:04.14 | reportingsjr | thebolt: right, so if it releases energy when compressing it, doesn't it absorb energy when decompressing?! |
| 08:04.19 | thebolt | in the end you have (in my case) 200 bar gas in 2*12 liter tanks at outside temperature (so around 25 here) |
| 08:04.29 | thebolt | reportingsjr: it doesn't release energy |
| 08:04.34 | reportingsjr | .... |
| 08:04.40 | thebolt | it absorbs alot of it (making it hot :P) |
| 08:04.44 | reportingsjr | "< thebolt> it gets hot when compressing" |
| 08:04.45 | thebolt | but yes, it goes cold when expanding |
| 08:04.56 | thebolt | yes, get hot does not mean exoterm though, |
| 08:05.01 | reportingsjr | smashes his head in to a table |
| 08:05.04 | thebolt | the compressor is adding alot of energy to the system |
| 08:05.13 | reportingsjr | fair enough |
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| 08:05.41 | yiyus | reportingsjr: p1v1 = p2v2, the temp is kept constant (more or less...) |
| 08:05.52 | thebolt | yiyus: yep,m or at least you try to |
| 08:06.01 | reportingsjr | ok |
| 08:06.08 | thebolt | but then one have to remember that real gases does not follow the ideal gas law.. helium very much not so ;) |
| 08:06.22 | reportingsjr | that might help explain this |
| 08:06.36 | thebolt | reportingsjr: no it does not |
| 08:06.43 | thebolt | even if you follow ideal gas law you got it wrong :P |
| 08:06.43 | ahuillet | I'm really rusty here but isn't helium one of the closest things to ideal gas? |
| 08:06.47 | reportingsjr | how much pressure is required to compress helium in to a liquid, then? |
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| 08:07.03 | thebolt | reportingsjr: pretty much not possible at room temperature |
| 08:07.11 | reportingsjr | right |
| 08:07.15 | thebolt | ahuillet: no, its very far from actually.. at least when you get above 150ish bar |
| 08:07.29 | ahuillet | oh, right.. my physics courses did not cover 100+ bar ;) |
| 08:07.40 | reportingsjr | that's why they always use it for the absolute zero attempts |
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| 08:08.05 | thebolt | reportingsjr: yep,you need to get below 4K to make it liquid.. |
| 08:08.16 | reportingsjr | sheesh! |
| 08:08.49 | ojwb | at standard pressure anyway |
| 08:08.52 | thebolt | http://ltl.tkk.fi/research/theory/helium.html |
| 08:08.54 | reportingsjr | I wonder if they will ever reach 0K, haha |
| 08:08.59 | thebolt | phase diagram of helium |
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| 08:10.27 | thebolt | anyhow.. for practrical purposes.. you need helium to go deeper.. and helium is mighty expensive :P |
| 08:10.36 | reportingsjr | haha |
| 08:10.41 | reportingsjr | we went waaay off topic |
| 08:11.43 | thiago_home | reportingsjr: they've reached a few nanokelvin already |
| 08:11.52 | reportingsjr | thiago_home: wow, really? |
| 08:12.03 | thiago_home | yes |
| 08:12.12 | thiago_home | the thing is that, at that temperature, things are no longer solid |
| 08:12.16 | thiago_home | it's the fifth state of matter |
| 08:12.23 | reportingsjr | which would be..? |
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| 08:12.52 | thebolt | well, depends on which things.. |
| 08:13.02 | thebolt | helium is super-fluid (dependning on pressure) |
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| 08:13.31 | thiago_home | Bose-Einstein Condensate |
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| 08:14.24 | thebolt | thiago_home: not everything turn into bose-einstein condensate |
| 08:14.34 | thebolt | thiago_home: but you need those temperatures to get the BEC ;) |
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| 08:21.52 | kblin | le sigh |
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| 08:23.51 | kblin | why is it that people, when asked for a detailed list of milestones, think that "start of project: may 25th, mid term: june 25th, end of project: august 25th" is a correct answer? |
| 08:25.07 | dhaun | hey, at least they read the timeline ;-) |
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| 08:25.45 | kblin | dhaun: yeah, I'm so impressed |
| 08:26.07 | kblin | dhaun: but I agree that's the one step needed to not be marked as inelligible |
| 08:26.18 | dhaun | :P |
| 08:27.42 | reportingsjr | maybe they just threw it in as filler until they could fully map out a timeline? :p |
| 08:27.48 | reportingsjr | good night guys |
| 08:27.59 | t0ms | gn |
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| 08:30.02 | smtms | kblin, now it's time you comment on the proposals and request all the information that students faild to provide |
| 08:30.55 | kblin | smtms: oh, really? thanks for telling me, that's the first time I do this GSoC thing |
| 08:30.58 | kblin | ;) |
| 08:31.18 | reportingsjr | kblin: you always this way? xD |
| 08:31.25 | reportingsjr | ok, good night FOR REAL this time. haha |
| 08:31.44 | kblin | reportingsjr: no, sometimes I sleep ;) |
| 08:31.49 | shirish | how and through what will the announcement on 20 th take place |
| 08:31.59 | shirish | will they mail the corresponding students on 20 th |
| 08:31.59 | reportingsjr | kblin: I'm sure your an arse in your sleep, to. xD |
| 08:32.11 | shirish | and do they intimate the unselected students |
| 08:32.22 | smtms | shirish, "YOU FAILED" |
| 08:32.44 | smtms | shirish, this year they use new software, so I don't know what they'll do |
| 08:32.48 | kblin | reportingsjr: dunno, haven't heard any complaints about that.. then again I'm usually sleeping ;) |
| 08:33.01 | smtms | shirish, but the list of accepted students will be announced on the web site for sure |
| 08:33.01 | l0nwlf_ | shirish seems really anxious about the result |
| 08:33.03 | reportingsjr | kblin: this is true. I need to do that whole sleeping thing very soon |
| 08:33.12 | reportingsjr | I hear it's quite the experience |
| 08:33.13 | kblin | reportingsjr: off you go :) |
| 08:33.19 | reportingsjr | yeah, yeah |
| 08:33.54 | kblin | it's for the weak and sickly, but if you don't do it, you'll be getting weak and sick soon |
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| 08:35.38 | smtms | kblin, regarding students providing too little information, there ar some mentors that would say "fuck him" in this situation |
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| 08:37.06 | kblin | smtms: I'm willing to give those people a chance, but based on my experiences last year, most of the really bad ones aren't worth the effort |
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| 08:37.48 | kblin | smtms: I'd have a better feeling if their milestones were completely impossible and made up |
| 08:38.03 | kblin | within reasonable limits, of course |
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| 08:39.08 | Khetu | day 4: project complete :) |
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| 08:40.26 | smtms | day 5: re-implement everything |
| 08:40.49 | shirish | ha ha l0nwlf_ a lil bit though |
| 08:40.52 | shirish | thank you smtms |
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| 09:10.45 | ojwb | kblin: I'm just reading a timeline which covers june twice! |
| 09:11.13 | kblin | maybe they used a goto |
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| 09:12.25 | llnz | kblin: hehe |
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| 09:23.25 | RAVINDRA | hi |
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| 09:33.28 | I_love_her | RAVINDRA: humbly requesting, can you turn down your nick caps |
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| 09:36.44 | disismt | I_love_her, don't shout ravindra's name :D |
| 09:37.22 | I_love_her | :D |
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| 09:37.56 | I_love_her | can't help it,his nick is only in caps :) |
| 09:39.37 | brainfck_ | can't wait until April 20th :( |
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| 09:39.49 | I_love_her | too |
| 09:39.54 | brainfck_ | ;) |
| 09:40.04 | disismt | loves her too!! |
| 09:40.12 | I_love_her | :D |
| 09:40.14 | brainfck_ | lol |
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| 09:42.02 | I_love_her | was my request too offending that ravinder left the chanel :P |
| 09:42.12 | brainfck_ | maybe |
| 09:43.15 | I_love_her | hmm |
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| 09:43.33 | nielsgl | Is it already possible to see the # of applicants for each org? |
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| 09:44.15 | brainfck_ | nielsgl: don't think so |
| 09:44.26 | kblin | you could ask each org |
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| 09:44.32 | kblin | maybe some will tell you :) |
| 09:44.36 | brainfck_ | :P |
| 09:44.37 | I_love_her | i think it's not..but you can humbly request your org |
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| 09:44.56 | I_love_her | wonders about the word 'humbly' |
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| 09:46.18 | kblin | brainfck_: I'm told that google will release some figures in a couple of days |
| 09:46.32 | brainfck_ | kblin: this would be nice, thanks! |
| 09:46.37 | kblin | brainfck_: I'm not sure if that'll include applications per org |
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| 09:50.07 | I_love_her | 2006 stats |
| 09:50.07 | I_love_her | http://code.google.com/soc/GSoC2006Statistics.pdf |
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| 09:53.17 | brainfck_ | hmm my org is new to gsoc |
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| 09:54.03 | brainfck_ | there are a lot of students from the us |
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| 09:54.35 | kblin | hardly surprising |
| 09:54.46 | kblin | the schedule fits the US summer break |
| 09:54.52 | kblin | not so much for the rest fo the world |
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| 09:57.02 | ochot | yup...I will still have (some of) my examinations around may 23rd probably |
| 09:57.04 | brainfck_ | hm.. I have to sit my exams during gsoc |
| 09:57.25 | brainfck_ | my exams are in july |
| 09:57.32 | ochot | even worse I guess |
| 09:58.03 | kblin | well, it's impossible to get this right for everybody |
| 09:58.13 | brainfck_ | sure |
| 09:58.14 | I_love_her | brainfck_: which org? |
| 09:58.19 | kblin | and the current schedule worked for some years already :) |
| 09:58.26 | ochot | sure, I am not complaining...just...observing :) |
| 09:58.28 | brainfck_ | I_love_her: TYPO3 |
| 09:58.37 | I_love_her | nice :) |
| 09:59.22 | brainfck_ | kblin: I don't think that this is a problem |
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| 09:59.39 | brainfck_ | I_love_her: whats your org? |
| 09:59.48 | I_love_her | honeynet |
| 10:00.13 | disismt | hey , cool, hacker :D |
| 10:00.18 | kblin | brainfck_: ah, great |
| 10:00.19 | I_love_her | :) |
| 10:00.39 | kblin | brainfck_: I guess I'm used to people complaning here too much :) |
| 10:01.15 | brainfck_ | kblin: :P |
| 10:01.31 | I_love_her | kblin: with power comes reponsibility :P |
| 10:04.54 | I_love_her | http://mabshoff.blogspot.com/2008/03/sage-vs-gsoc-2008.html |
| 10:06.15 | rkirti | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.18 | brainfck_ | :D |
| 10:06.27 | I_love_her | :D |
| 10:06.32 | I_love_her | spaced |
| 10:06.40 | rkirti | ^^:err.. me apologises for the typos |
| 10:07.02 | I_love_her | found a girl looking for him :P |
| 10:07.30 | disismt | with a name like that .... |
| 10:07.44 | I_love_her | D |
| 10:07.49 | I_love_her | :D |
| 10:08.18 | kblin | I_love_her: hm, what power? |
| 10:08.44 | I_love_her | channel op |
| 10:09.38 | kblin | ah, that's only minimal power |
| 10:09.49 | kblin | so the responsibility is minimal as well |
| 10:09.57 | disismt | I_love_her, how many proposals did honeynet get? |
| 10:10.11 | I_love_her | hmm |
| 10:10.58 | I_love_her | >50, btw i am not the org admin :P |
| 10:10.58 | I_love_her | the admin told me |
| 10:11.18 | I_love_her | what abt TYPO3 |
| 10:11.20 | ojwb | hmm, I'm not sure I agree that there's not transparency about why orgs are or aren't accepted |
| 10:11.50 | ojwb | lh seems amazingly willing to tell orgs how to improve their chances |
| 10:12.07 | I_love_her | ojwb: Please elaborate |
| 10:12.32 | ojwb | in what way? |
| 10:12.38 | ojwb | was reading the page you linked to |
| 10:12.39 | I_love_her | exactly...she puts in lots of hard work to make this as clear as possible |
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| 10:12.57 | kblin | ojwb: well, the author is quoting slashdot |
| 10:12.57 | ojwb | where someone complains about not being accepted |
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| 10:13.05 | brainfck_ | has to do some math |
| 10:13.14 | ojwb | it seems to be his view, but perhaps I misread |
| 10:13.27 | kblin | ojwb: that alone should tell you how well-researched the blog post is ;) |
| 10:13.31 | ojwb | but I am prepared to stand up and disagree with slashdot if it comes to it |
| 10:13.35 | I_love_her | question if brainfck_ can prove 1=0 :P |
| 10:13.38 | ojwb | call me a fool if you will |
| 10:13.58 | kblin | is anyone actually still reading slashdot? |
| 10:14.04 | ojwb | can you prove they are different? |
| 10:14.21 | I_love_her | doesn't |
| 10:14.39 | kblin | I_love_her: well, for big values of 0 and small values of 1 this is obvious |
| 10:14.41 | ojwb | looks occasionally, mostly to see if it's still there |
| 10:14.41 | brainfck_ | I am not a math hero |
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| 10:15.20 | I_love_her | kblin: looks like nerdy.. |
| 10:15.31 | I_love_her | brainfck_: lol |
| 10:15.53 | I_love_her | !next |
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| 10:15.54 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 10:16.21 | brainfck_ | is waiting for comments:-) |
| 10:17.24 | I_love_her | wonders about 17 days given only for commenting |
| 10:17.38 | Blackhat | wow |
| 10:17.43 | Blackhat | feedback |
| 10:17.55 | I_love_her | yo Blackhat |
| 10:17.58 | kblin | I_love_her: the mentors need to figure out which students to pick based on their interactions with the student |
| 10:18.10 | kblin | that takes a while if you have a lot of applications |
| 10:18.29 | I_love_her | k..:) |
| 10:18.48 | shirish | I_love_her, are only mentors are involved in picking the students ? |
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| 10:19.06 | ojwb | I_love_her: um, and the last 2 weeks, if you submitted earlier |
| 10:19.18 | kblin | true |
| 10:19.51 | ojwb | submitting early definitely improves your chances in many cases |
| 10:19.52 | I_love_her | shirish: ya..it's up totally up to org |
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| 10:20.29 | shirish | I_love_her, i meant ask whether its the mentor or mentor + some one else ? |
| 10:20.35 | ojwb | or at least starting to talk to the org early - doesn't have to be in melange |
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| 10:21.06 | sea-gull | aguent: How are you doing? Did you calm down? |
| 10:21.06 | ojwb | mentors and admins |
| 10:21.09 | I_love_her | shirish: possibly the expected mentor of the project proposed |
| 10:21.12 | ojwb | not all admins are mentors |
| 10:21.20 | aguent | sea-gull: partly, heh |
| 10:21.25 | shirish | thank you I_love_her |
| 10:21.34 | aguent | sea-gull: also I have to admit i became horribly drunk after 9pm yesterday |
| 10:22.10 | sea-gull | aguent: oh, I see how excited you're |
| 10:22.23 | I_love_her | shirish: np :) |
| 10:23.02 | aguent | sea-gull: first I didnt care at all...didnt want to apply for GSoC. Things changed rapidly when I become involved with making a proposal and studying the existing code base ;) |
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| 10:24.00 | sea-gull | aguent: yeah, agree. It's very exciting experience |
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| 10:35.58 | nopper | !next |
| 10:35.59 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 10:41.22 | ojwb | aguent: um, if you didn't want to apply, why did you start making a proposal? |
| 10:41.42 | ojwb | not that it's bad that you did and are now enthused |
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| 10:44.30 | aguent | ojwb: i read the ideas page of my organisation for interest what might happening in gsoc...and then i thought at one item. hey I would need that, I woudl want to do it. Why don't give it a try? |
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| 10:45.33 | I_love_her | nice enthusiasm :) |
| 10:46.11 | ojwb | aguent: ah, cool |
| 10:46.34 | aguent | heh. wish me luck ;) |
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| 10:48.53 | I_love_her | pushes heaps of luck to aguent :P |
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| 10:49.10 | I_love_her | wrong smiliy |
| 10:49.25 | I_love_her | :) |
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| 10:56.39 | I_love_her | !extension |
| 10:56.40 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 10:56.44 | I_love_her | :P |
| 10:57.40 | I_love_her | why exactly ' not even for you' is there |
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| 10:59.32 | lut4rp | because people keep asking for exceptions? |
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| 10:59.55 | I_love_her | k |
| 11:00.33 | Erant | But but but... :'( |
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| 11:04.05 | pratul | sigh. |
| 11:04.10 | pratul | sucky network! |
| 11:04.43 | lut4rp | better. |
| 11:04.46 | lut4rp | :) |
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| 11:10.29 | macduy | !next |
| 11:10.30 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 11:11.35 | I_love_her | !gsoc |
| 11:11.35 | socinfo | Error: "gsoc" is not a valid command. |
| 11:11.57 | I_love_her | socinfo doesn't know about gsoc ,interesting :P |
| 11:11.57 | socinfo | Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command. |
| 11:12.15 | I_love_her | :D |
| 11:12.23 | nopper | I_love_her, what you need? :P |
| 11:12.35 | danderson | what do you want? |
| 11:12.45 | I_love_her | nopper: i was just playing around |
| 11:12.56 | danderson | basks in schadenfreude as he reads of people who tried to submit on the wrong side of the last minute |
| 11:13.01 | nopper | interesting |
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| 11:13.23 | I_love_her | danderson: don't kick me out :P |
| 11:13.34 | scorche | notes that socinfo can be "played around with" in a private query... |
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| 11:13.59 | danderson | I_love_her: not interested in kicking today, I'm well rested :P |
| 11:14.07 | danderson | but I will note that the bot has flood protection |
| 11:14.14 | danderson | and will start ignoring you after N invalid commands |
| 11:14.25 | scorche | danderson: i came up against that yesterday =( |
| 11:14.26 | ThomasWaldmann | danderson: ah, another word borrowed from german :D |
| 11:14.28 | I_love_her | will remember scorche note from next time |
| 11:14.41 | I_love_her | :D |
| 11:14.42 | scorche | thinks that "trusted" folk should be immune from such flood restrictions |
| 11:14.44 | danderson | ThomasWaldmann: one of my favorite :) |
| 11:14.58 | danderson | it has so much meaning rolled into it :P |
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| 11:15.14 | danderson | agrees, but can't remember how to work the bot :P |
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| 11:16.09 | ThomasWaldmann | danderson: i had to grin broadly when i first saw "to schlepp" in some English text |
| 11:16.17 | danderson | hehehe, and just after reading about folks who missed the deadline by 3 seconds because they posted late, I see this: http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=3568581&from=recommend |
| 11:16.21 | scorche | was trying to find a lost factoid, but ended up getting ignored =/ |
| 11:16.22 | danderson | very appropriate :D |
| 11:16.59 | scorche | pfft |
| 11:17.40 | I_love_her | danderson: lol |
| 11:18.08 | danderson | scorche: to search for factoids, in /query with the bot: !factoids search #gsoc * |
| 11:18.24 | danderson | and !more to display all messages (it needs 3 lines to show all factoids) |
| 11:18.47 | scorche | danderson: oh, i know that, but trying a few factoids that it could be can be faster =P |
| 11:18.49 | danderson | that'll list all the valid keys. Then !whatis #gsoc <key> to display it |
| 11:18.59 | ThomasWaldmann | danderson: well, it depends. if someone has heard about gsoc early and didn't manage to apply in time, well then it is maybe better because he/she maybe would have to same problem with midterm and final evals. |
| 11:19.36 | ThomasWaldmann | danderson: but if someone just heard late from gsoc, it might be just bad luck. |
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| 11:19.50 | danderson | ThomasWaldmann: yeah, sucks for those who genuinely found out late |
| 11:20.02 | danderson | but it seems to me that most of the people complaining were just pushing their luck. |
| 11:20.18 | danderson | "But at school my teacher accepts homework if it's 10 minutes late!" |
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| 11:20.54 | schumaml | danderson: the "out-of-town-wife-and-son-sick-sister-visiting-org-changes-requirements - and still managed to do it" mail should be quoted as an example of how to do it right at a public place somewhere :) |
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| 11:20.57 | Ivanovic | ThomasWaldmann: there are always some who only hear of it late |
| 11:21.00 | Ivanovic | basically "bad luck" |
| 11:21.17 | danderson | schumaml: indeed |
| 11:21.18 | brainfck_ | How can I check if my proposal was submitted correctly |
| 11:21.19 | brainfck_ | ? |
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| 11:21.24 | ThomasWaldmann | danderson: do you know about infrastructure for gsoc app? how many machines were serving it? |
| 11:21.48 | scorche | ThomasWaldmann: it runs off of Google AppEngine |
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| 11:21.56 | danderson | ThomasWaldmann: the app runs on Google App Engine |
| 11:22.02 | danderson | so at any one time, 1 machine could be serving it |
| 11:22.04 | danderson | or 1000 :) |
| 11:22.10 | scorche | i think it is just silly with all of these sob stories of students who tried to submit it during the last minute... |
| 11:22.16 | ThomasWaldmann | ah, so we don't know |
| 11:22.32 | scorche | "Its a shame that things are as inflexible as they are, where a minute |
| 11:22.32 | scorche | makes the difference between acceptance or no acceptance. |
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| 11:22.35 | schumaml | one of our closely related partner orgs did even ask if we should consider applications submitted less than n hours before the deadline at all |
| 11:22.37 | danderson | ThomasWaldmann: the dashboard only gives you queries per secnd |
| 11:22.45 | scorche | pah...you had 2 @!#$@#$ weeks to submit it.. |
| 11:22.56 | danderson | ThomasWaldmann: in general, the number of machines of Google infrastructure required to do X is pretty confidential :) |
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| 11:22.57 | ThomasWaldmann | because the last-minute dDOS this year seemed less serious than in the past |
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| 11:23.41 | schumaml | scorche: the suitable reply to the "minute" is "dude, it is a second!" |
| 11:23.50 | scorche | haha |
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| 11:24.17 | danderson | ThomasWaldmann: last year it wasn't running on app engine |
| 11:24.22 | scorche | oh well...maybe they will learn for next year (and any other projects they might have during their life) |
| 11:24.30 | danderson | app engine is elastic: if your app has high load, the number of machines scales up to handle it |
| 11:24.52 | danderson | the previous system was not elastic: if you needed more capacity, a human had to actually reconfigure the app |
| 11:25.29 | brainfck_ | anybody there who knows, if I had to do anything else than to create a new proposal and to save it? |
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| 11:26.13 | danderson | ThomasWaldmann: so basically, unless your app has scalability bottlenecks in the logic, you can scale very high automatically on app engine |
| 11:26.48 | scorche | brainfck_: there should be a link to the left that says something like 'list my student proposals"...if your app is in there, then it was submitted |
| 11:26.51 | danderson | the serving infrastructure scales to the number of qps you have, the datastore scales way beyond any reasonable qps you have... :) |
| 11:27.18 | brainfck_ | scorche: it is, thanks! |
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| 11:28.58 | scorche | "My one thought is that next year, make sure people know the application deadline is 100% firm. I'm guessing most people didn't expect it to go offline the second the clock hit." |
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| 11:29.11 | scorche | heh... |
| 11:29.29 | danderson | yeah, screw that |
| 11:29.38 | danderson | they push their luck, they get screwed |
| 11:29.41 | danderson | serves them right. |
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| 11:29.44 | BCarlyon|Server | Last year I applied in the extension period, mainly as I nearly forgot about GSoC |
| 11:29.58 | BCarlyon|Server | Morning all btqw |
| 11:30.00 | BCarlyon|Server | btw* |
| 11:30.17 | danderson | BCarlyon|Server: last year was fairly different, because the student app period was very short |
| 11:30.25 | scorche | indeed |
| 11:30.26 | danderson | the original period I mean |
| 11:30.28 | BCarlyon|Server | Ah I didnt realize |
| 11:30.38 | danderson | last year it was 1 week |
| 11:30.45 | danderson | and then got extended another week |
| 11:30.53 | danderson | this time, it was 2 weeks, announced since January |
| 11:31.04 | danderson | I'm not sure how much more of a warning these folks want :) |
| 11:31.04 | BCarlyon|Server | Ah that makes sense :-) |
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| 11:31.26 | danderson | I mean, I'm all for hand-holding and stuff |
| 11:31.42 | danderson | but at some point, you reach the stupid threshold and stop |
| 11:31.47 | BCarlyon|Server | Indeed!¬ |
| 11:31.54 | PearlJam | one or two applications in two weeks period is entirely possible, no matter how busy you are. this is what i personally feel. |
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| 11:32.06 | danderson | and folks who cannot see that a deadline is not meant to be flexible or "just a guideline", well |
| 11:32.10 | danderson | screw 'em. |
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| 11:32.42 | danderson | it was slightly flexible in past years because of the webapp's design |
| 11:32.47 | danderson | it took a while to disable signups |
| 11:32.50 | danderson | but now, with melange |
| 11:33.05 | danderson | you just have a time period defined in the webapp |
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| 11:33.19 | danderson | if clock says you're in that period, fine. If not, you lose. |
| 11:33.33 | danderson | so it turned off at exactly the right second, precise to within NTP standards :) |
| 11:33.44 | danderson | (did I mention that the melange devs rock?) |
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| 11:35.06 | brainfck_ | http://search.twitter.com/search?q=gsoc quite interesting |
| 11:35.29 | scorche | as one of the few people in here that interacted with the mess that was the previous years' app from the back end, i think that coming from you means a bit more too =P |
| 11:35.44 | BCarlyon|Server | :-) |
| 11:36.01 | BCarlyon|Server | Hay I'm on that link :-) brainfck_ |
| 11:36.08 | brainfck_ | :P |
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| 11:36.41 | brainfck_ | I_love_her: 5887 apps (3497 students applied, 5860 students registered) this year |
| 11:37.17 | ojwb | but don't blog, tweet, etc about that until lh announces on monday |
| 11:37.53 | smtms | why lh needs to wait till monday? |
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| 11:37.59 | shirish | lh who ? |
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| 11:38.05 | ojwb | !lh |
| 11:38.05 | socinfo | "lh" is Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 11:38.19 | brainfck_ | have to go offline, cu all |
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| 11:38.40 | shirish | c ya |
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| 11:42.54 | brainfck_ | BCarlyon|Server: I was on your website and noticed that you know FBML, nice;) |
| 11:43.50 | BCarlyon|Server | Indeed. |
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| 11:43.59 | BCarlyon|Server | Little rusty but Indeed! |
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| 11:45.16 | brainfck_ | BCarlyon|Server: creating fb apps using rails is so much fun! what did you use? |
| 11:45.24 | BCarlyon|Server | PHP |
| 11:45.48 | punchagan | !next |
| 11:45.49 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 11:47.39 | BCarlyon|Server | bbiab |
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| 11:49.28 | apinto | !next |
| 11:49.29 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 11:49.38 | BCarlyon|Server | back |
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| 11:49.46 | I_love_her | brainfck_: seen your msg now |
| 11:49.56 | brainfck_ | I_love_her: k |
| 11:49.57 | I_love_her | brainfck_: thanks for the stats |
| 11:49.57 | BCarlyon|Server | brainfck_, my blog layout is a bit sketchy, needed a blog to apply for wordpress you see! |
| 11:50.20 | brainfck_ | BCarlyon|Server: ;) |
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| 11:51.56 | I_love_her | at the last moments, the app submission rate was around 30/min |
| 11:52.05 | BCarlyon|Server | rofl |
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| 11:52.37 | I_love_her | seems like everyone was prepared for the end |
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| 11:53.29 | I_love_her | estimating the % of a-bit-trashy-application in that |
| 11:53.39 | I_love_her | *application |
| 11:53.41 | p_l | My fourth proposal was written in around 30 minutes... |
| 11:53.42 | I_love_her | s |
| 11:53.52 | I_love_her | :D |
| 11:54.04 | I_love_her | just 30 minutes...awesome speed buddy |
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| 11:54.46 | I_love_her | wrote only abstract in 30 minutes |
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| 11:55.13 | p_l | If I wasn't such a lazy bum, I'd have written more than four and not have to make a run during last two hours... |
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| 11:55.58 | p_l | For some reason I got this real big laziness when it comes to writing e-mails, messaages etc. |
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| 11:57.03 | I_love_her | i am also a bit that way too |
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| 11:59.16 | p_l | time to clean my room a little... |
| 11:59.25 | p_l | ... some guests are coming today |
| 12:00.02 | I_love_her | k...looking writing messg on some python editor : |
| 12:00.11 | I_love_her | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.29 | I_love_her | *looks like |
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| 12:05.17 | ojwb | I_love_her: is that new submissions, or updates to existing ones? |
| 12:05.32 | ojwb | s/or/or does it include |
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| 12:06.30 | I_love_her | new submissions |
| 12:06.46 | ojwb | shakes head sadly |
| 12:07.16 | nopper | ahahah |
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| 12:08.28 | I_love_her | / |
| 12:09.33 | I_love_her | today the channel is very silent...all geeks resting |
| 12:10.57 | smtms | I_love_her, everything's over |
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| 12:12.33 | I_love_her | it's just the interval... |
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| 12:14.52 | shirish | fb ? |
| 12:15.01 | smtms | shirish, tk |
| 12:15.02 | Ivanovic | I_love_her: everyone is busy with reviewing proposals |
| 12:15.14 | ojwb | has finished, for now at least |
| 12:15.22 | Ivanovic | that is: those not busy reviewing proposals (mainly students) are working on implementing comments |
| 12:15.36 | Ivanovic | ojwb: you are a lucky one... |
| 12:16.01 | shirish | smtms wjat is tk |
| 12:16.02 | I_love_her | correct |
| 12:16.05 | shirish | !next |
| 12:16.05 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 12:16.10 | shirish | !1+2 |
| 12:16.10 | socinfo | Error: "1+2" is not a valid command. |
| 12:16.19 | smtms | shirish, what is fb? |
| 12:16.19 | I_love_her | :D |
| 12:16.34 | shirish | no Idea ... |
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| 12:16.43 | brainfck_ | will I get a mail if there is a new comment on my proposal? |
| 12:16.46 | nopper | stop stressing the bot :P |
| 12:16.51 | I_love_her | google calc should be integrated with socinfo :P |
| 12:16.51 | shirish | was reading past messsages |
| 12:16.52 | disismt | I_love_her, you are an irc junkie aren't you? |
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| 12:17.14 | shirish | ha ha bots are for mankind |
| 12:17.17 | shirish | let them serve |
| 12:17.25 | I_love_her | not exactly..but to some extent |
| 12:17.31 | shirish | nice one I_love_her |
| 12:17.46 | disismt | loves what I_love_her loves |
| 12:18.06 | I_love_her | disismt: :) |
| 12:18.27 | shirish | what is with the * thing i dont get it |
| 12:18.28 | shirish | :D |
| 12:18.43 | I_love_her | where |
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| 12:18.59 | smtms | shirish, we are not reading your mind, sorry |
| 12:19.00 | shirish | * disismt loves what I_love_her loves here |
| 12:19.22 | shirish | i am sorry for bugging in :) My bad.. |
| 12:19.28 | smtms | shirish, it's just how your IRC client displays it |
| 12:19.41 | smtms | shirish, it's called "action" |
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| 12:19.47 | shirish | thank you smtms |
| 12:19.58 | SRabbelier | shirish: usually done by typing /me foo |
| 12:20.05 | shirish | what |
| 12:20.17 | I_love_her | practising :P |
| 12:20.18 | shirish | ha ha nice one SRabbelier |
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| 12:20.35 | SRabbelier | http://bash.org/?244321 |
| 12:20.37 | shirish | well so am I .. and what is the significance may I know ... |
| 12:20.45 | shirish | rather that i should know ? |
| 12:20.48 | Corsix | classic bash.org |
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| 12:21.24 | smtms | shirish, a channel with hundreds of users is not the best place to ask |
| 12:21.42 | I_love_her | recalls some social engineering |
| 12:21.51 | SRabbelier | Corsix: somewhat relevant here too :P |
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| 12:22.30 | shirish | 17 days.. so it is ...tic toc |
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| 12:22.53 | mercurysquad | hehe. tic toc indeed |
| 12:23.16 | Corsix | 17 days is lots of tics and tocks |
| 12:23.26 | tntcoder | is it made public when its decided how many slots each org gets? |
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| 12:23.38 | SRabbelier | tntcoder: yes |
| 12:23.41 | SRabbelier | tntcoder: see timeline |
| 12:23.43 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 12:23.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:23.45 | tntcoder | nice thanks |
| 12:24.03 | shirish | AFK |
| 12:24.33 | p_l | especially with 10^19 tics per second ;-) |
| 12:24.43 | I_love_her | heh |
| 12:25.09 | I_love_her | p_I_math_hero |
| 12:25.50 | smtms | it's 'l', not 'I' |
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| 12:26.14 | I_love_her | oops...both looks same |
| 12:26.47 | ojwb | brainfck_: not sure if you get a mail or not - I'm interested to know myself |
| 12:27.23 | I_love_her | if you subscribe to updates ..then you get a mail |
| 12:27.39 | ojwb | but you aren't subscribed by default? |
| 12:27.58 | I_love_her | yep |
| 12:28.14 | I_love_her | you will have to manually subscribe |
| 12:28.21 | ninadsp | ojwb: no.. check the user guide... you have to subscribe manually |
| 12:28.23 | ojwb | hmm, I guess the keen students will be reloaded every 5 minutes anyway |
| 12:28.54 | macduy | !logs |
| 12:28.54 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 12:28.56 | kblin | ojwb: great, I guess that'll make melange even slower :) |
| 12:29.01 | thomastc | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_mentappupdates |
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| 12:29.33 | thomastc | kblin: is it slow for you? I find it pretty snappy so far |
| 12:30.03 | kblin | compared to other websites, it's pretty sluggish |
| 12:30.08 | ojwb | thomastc: hmm, that seems to be incorrect - I'm subscribed to all the proposals we have and I've yet to get an email from it |
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| 12:30.38 | Stivo | ojwb: You get a mail only to the gmail address, not to the one you registered with |
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| 12:30.44 | thomastc | kblin: I take it you have never used sourceforge ;) |
| 12:30.53 | kblin | thomastc: many server round trips |
| 12:31.03 | ojwb | Stivo: ah, I'll try signing in to gmail |
| 12:31.03 | kblin | thomastc: for downloading, sometimes |
| 12:31.15 | ojwb | and it's full of notifications! |
| 12:31.23 | kblin | hehe |
| 12:31.29 | Stivo | ojwb: You can set gmail up to forward to your normal email though |
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| 12:32.20 | shirish | hey listen up lately i ve been greeted with the error 503 service unavailable when i try to connect to freenode any ideas ?? |
| 12:32.36 | smtms | shirish, connect to freenode website? |
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| 12:32.57 | shirish | no the irc.freenode.net |
| 12:33.02 | monsieurp | kblin: hi, just a little question; before sending my proposal, I've edited something using the HTML mode; when I made the update, it was a f**** mess back to normal editor mode, I hadn't the time to write it again (didn't have a save) so I've send it "as it"; are mentors able to read proposal using HTML mode ? |
| 12:33.09 | shirish | HTTP/1.0 503 Service Unavailable |
| 12:33.09 | shirish | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.10 | shirish | * Stopped previous connection attempt (pid=19541) |
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| 12:33.24 | smtms | shirish, HTTP is not IRC |
| 12:33.26 | smtms | shirish, it's HTTP |
| 12:33.38 | smtms | shirish, the protocol used to run the Web |
| 12:33.50 | smtms | shirish, I'd contact my ISP |
| 12:33.52 | BCarlyon|Server | YOu cannont connect to irc.freenode.net using a web browser |
| 12:33.52 | monsieurp | kblin: half of it is readable with normal made, half of it with HTML mode |
| 12:33.55 | shirish | nah its like i use this xchat client where my campus server has no DNS |
| 12:33.56 | monsieurp | I HATE THE HTML MODE |
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| 12:34.08 | shirish | xchat manages this fine |
| 12:34.34 | ojwb | Stivo: yeah, but I use it as a backup to forward mail to when I'm travelling, so that would be a pain |
| 12:34.49 | I_love_her | shirish: you can try mibbit |
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| 12:35.05 | smtms | shirish, for IRC-related stuff, try an IRC-related channel please |
| 12:35.22 | shirish | yeah i am sorry for bugging in.. |
| 12:35.23 | shirish | thank you all |
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| 12:42.10 | ninadsp | !logs |
| 12:42.10 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 12:44.45 | I_love_her | there are some interesting replies in gsoc mailing list |
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| 12:44.52 | kartik2vv | are the application dates exended ?? |
| 12:45.01 | I_love_her | !extension |
| 12:45.02 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 12:45.15 | I_love_her | i guess you get the answer :P |
| 12:45.20 | kartik2vv | yeah |
| 12:46.02 | p_l | ... *DONK* |
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| 12:46.40 | I_love_her | p_l: what do you intend to tell |
| 12:47.03 | kblin | monsieurp: er, I just see a website, not the editor |
| 12:47.08 | apaliwal | !extension |
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| 12:47.09 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 12:47.33 | kblin | monsieurp: but there's quite a few proposals with some CSS crap in front of them, which sounds like the editor screwed up |
| 12:48.12 | kartik2vv | i was expecting an extension sad , any hopes on applying in coming week ??? |
| 12:48.20 | Ivanovic | kartik2vv: no |
| 12:48.26 | p_l | I_love_her: back in "my time" ``*DONK*'' was the sound of head meeting keyboard. This time, as reaction for extension looking |
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| 12:48.42 | I_love_her | k |
| 12:48.53 | Ivanovic | kartik2vv: there were 12 days time to submit a proposal and already several days before this to talk to orgs about your idea |
| 12:49.01 | Ivanovic | this should have been sufficient |
| 12:49.11 | ajuonline | slept 13 hours flat |
| 12:49.27 | I_love_her | nice |
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| 12:50.08 | kblin | kartik2vv: you were _expecting_ an extension? |
| 12:50.10 | Ivanovic | kartik2vv: though in general you should communicate with some possible orgs anyway and already try to become a contributor |
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| 12:50.29 | Ivanovic | this will increase your chances to get in next your (if there is a summer of code and you manage to submit your proposal in time) |
| 12:50.38 | Ivanovic | s/next your/next year |
| 12:50.42 | kblin | kartik2vv: you think the !timeline is up there just for fun? |
| 12:51.32 | ajuonline | i iz hungrayyy! |
| 12:51.35 | I_love_her | looks at ever body on irc preaching kartik2vv :P |
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| 12:52.18 | ajuonline | I_love_her: nice nick. this isnt a dating channel though ;) |
| 12:52.36 | smtms | I thought 2008 would get extended, but it ended at 31st of December :-( |
| 12:52.38 | I_love_her | lol |
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| 12:52.46 | I_love_her | I_love_her_foo |
| 12:53.24 | Ivanovic | loves students that are not familiar with the concept of "you have a deadline and are not allowed to break it" |
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| 12:54.11 | Corsix | Ivanovic: schools these days eh? |
| 12:54.24 | kblin | Ivanovic: well, then they get to learn it here |
| 12:54.26 | kblin | :) |
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| 12:54.34 | kblin | someone has to teach them :) |
| 12:54.36 | Ivanovic | Corsix: i am a student myself (though not in SoC) and when we have deadlines, we got to follow them |
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| 12:54.59 | kartik2vv | thanks everyone , i dont mind preaching , my proposal is half done |
| 12:55.27 | kartik2vv | had exams , by the time i finished those , *BANG* Deadline ends :( |
| 12:55.53 | smtms | kartik2vv, this isn't the end of the world :-) |
| 12:56.01 | ajuonline | kartik2vv: go ahead, sulk. |
| 12:56.10 | Ivanovic | kartik2vv: even with exams it is possible to do some stuff in parallel |
| 12:56.13 | I_love_her | kartik2vv: you should contribute to OSS ..be it through soc or as a volunteer,that is what matters |
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| 12:56.29 | Ivanovic | that is: taking one or two hours every now and then to write up a proposal should be possible |
| 12:56.50 | kartik2vv | yup thanks , i did in parallel , hung out on orgs irc , discussed , thats y proposal half done |
| 12:57.06 | I_love_her | that will make a good shot for soc'10 :P |
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| 12:57.09 | schumaml_ | or taking half an hour to talk to the org, tell them about the exams and submit a draft... |
| 12:57.40 | Ivanovic | kartik2vv: for submitting a proposal there is basically the same guideline as for coding in general: commit early, commit often |
| 12:57.43 | ajuonline | if you try to travel on two boats at the same time. you get ripped apart |
| 12:57.46 | ajuonline | right from the middle |
| 12:58.02 | kartik2vv | dont hink they'll agree , the authors of the orgs asked me to rush with my proposal , but i was not satisfied to file in an incomplete one |
| 12:58.03 | PearlJam | ajuonline: cant u be for once encourage someone instead of being cynical ? |
| 12:58.18 | smtms | ajuonline, try to find something to eat outside |
| 12:58.20 | PearlJam | the guy missed his deadline. it can be explained in a nicer way also. |
| 12:58.25 | I_love_her | supports PearlJam |
| 12:58.52 | Ivanovic | kartik2vv: so you basically were warned |
| 12:58.52 | ajuonline | :D |
| 12:59.02 | Ivanovic | when the orgs tell you to submit, there often is a reason behind it |
| 12:59.17 | PearlJam | words of love go far deeply than words of hate. and to top it all , he didnt even ask for your advice. he was already answered politely. |
| 12:59.45 | I_love_her | chill folks |
| 12:59.52 | PearlJam | and he left. |
| 12:59.57 | ajuonline | PearlJam: what makes you think i am talking to him |
| 13:00.02 | schumaml_ | please don't start discussions about hate or rudeness in multicultural channel :) |
| 13:00.09 | schumaml_ | +s |
| 13:00.13 | ajuonline | yeah |
| 13:00.14 | ajuonline | :D |
| 13:00.15 | I_love_her | exactly |
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| 13:00.17 | PearlJam | yes i apologize. |
| 13:00.36 | kblin | kartik2vv: I'm afraid there's not much more we can do for you |
| 13:00.42 | PearlJam | kblin: he left. |
| 13:00.44 | I_love_her | thinks ajuonline needs another 13 hours of sleep :P |
| 13:00.46 | PearlJam | aah he is back. |
| 13:00.48 | kartik2vv | yup |
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| 13:01.02 | kblin | PearlJam: too slow ;) |
| 13:01.17 | PearlJam | kartik2vv: next time be careful of the deadlines. they are meant to be taken seriously. you can try next year if GSoC is still running. |
| 13:01.21 | kartik2vv | let me be on schedule for next year |
| 13:01.27 | kblin | kartik2vv: of course you can still get involved with your mentoring org |
| 13:01.34 | ajuonline | kartik2vv: why do you want gsoc to work on foss? |
| 13:01.42 | ajuonline | kartik2vv: go ahead with your idea and start working on it ;) |
| 13:01.47 | smtms | kartik2vv, you can safely ignore people |
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| 13:01.56 | kartik2vv | lol |
| 13:01.58 | ajuonline | dont wait for another year, and that increases your chances next year |
| 13:02.25 | I_love_her | yep..start contributing to foss from today only |
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| 13:02.33 | kartik2vv | i'm doing that |
| 13:02.48 | I_love_her | :) |
| 13:02.53 | kartik2vv | i'm chief coordinator of GNU/Linux campus club of our college |
| 13:03.06 | I_love_her | great |
| 13:03.06 | kartik2vv | we organize lots of seminars |
| 13:03.11 | kartik2vv | workshops |
| 13:03.17 | smtms | any chicks present at these events? |
| 13:03.26 | I_love_her | :D |
| 13:03.27 | kartik2vv | we had a mondblowing FOSSCAMP '08 |
| 13:03.40 | apaliwal | :) |
| 13:03.51 | I_love_her | I_love_chicks |
| 13:03.56 | apaliwal | kartik are you from India |
| 13:03.59 | ajuonline | no |
| 13:04.02 | apaliwal | ?? |
| 13:04.14 | ajuonline | I_love_her: you love "her" |
| 13:04.18 | ninadsp | apaliwal: are you? i am.... |
| 13:04.22 | kartik2vv | We even have a good team of seniors and juniors , Soo , contribution to foss is there :P |
| 13:04.27 | I_love_her | haha |
| 13:04.31 | apaliwal | yah |
| 13:04.31 | apaliwal | IITK |
| 13:04.55 | I_love_her | &her=chick :P |
| 13:05.01 | kartik2vv | me from SJCE Mysore , India |
| 13:05.21 | kartik2vv | apaliwal : u frm IIT K ?? |
| 13:05.29 | apaliwal | yah |
| 13:05.41 | kartik2vv | do u know Dheeraj SPD there |
| 13:05.42 | ninadsp | apaliwal: bits pilani.... :) |
| 13:05.49 | apaliwal | na |
| 13:05.54 | kartik2vv | okiee |
| 13:05.56 | apaliwal | who's he |
| 13:06.12 | kartik2vv | my friend |
| 13:06.12 | I_love_her | afk |
| 13:06.30 | apaliwal | oks |
| 13:06.37 | ninadsp | kartik2vv: where are you from? |
| 13:06.58 | ninadsp | apaliwal: you use mibbit or do you get to access irc directly? |
| 13:07.08 | apaliwal | mibbit |
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| 13:07.15 | ojwb | you might find you get more female involvement if you don't refer to them as "chicks" |
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| 13:07.17 | devvrat | both |
| 13:07.23 | devvrat | irc and mibbit |
| 13:07.31 | devvrat | no ports blocked :) |
| 13:07.42 | disismt | ojwb, chicks like being called 'chicks' |
| 13:07.48 | ninadsp | when will college admins in india learn that irc is for the good of all? |
| 13:07.55 | apaliwal | ojwb :) |
| 13:08.11 | kartik2vv | ninadsp : realised |
| 13:08.24 | kartik2vv | ninadsp : we have our meets on IRC |
| 13:08.25 | I_love_her | $chicks |
| 13:08.25 | ojwb | aside perhaps from webchick, I'm dubious |
| 13:08.30 | ninadsp | devvrat: lucky you... |
| 13:09.04 | devvrat | ninadsp: me from the same coll where apaliwal studies |
| 13:09.17 | kartik2vv | ok guys me leaving |
| 13:09.19 | ninadsp | k... nice! :) |
| 13:09.21 | kartik2vv | have a gr8 summer |
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| 13:09.34 | devvrat | kartik2vv: wish you too |
| 13:09.37 | ninadsp | devvrat: how many applicants from your place? |
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| 13:09.42 | kartik2vv | and rock with your GSoC projects |
| 13:09.47 | ninadsp | kartik2vv: same to you! :) |
| 13:09.49 | kartik2vv | bye |
| 13:09.55 | devvrat | ninadsp: dunno exactly |
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| 13:10.08 | disismt | I think at least 40% students are indians in GSoC |
| 13:10.13 | devvrat | ninadsp: last year we had 15 |
| 13:10.17 | ninadsp | devvrat: i know two more from bits pilani |
| 13:10.33 | apaliwal | last year second highest participation was from India |
| 13:10.43 | ninadsp | devvrat: :O |
| 13:10.48 | apaliwal | IIT k has atleast 20 participants |
| 13:10.55 | devvrat | ninadsp: great,btw which year are in |
| 13:11.03 | ninadsp | hmmm... nice |
| 13:11.11 | ninadsp | me in 3rd year... studying finance :) |
| 13:11.14 | ajuonline | there is a channel ##gsoc-india |
| 13:11.25 | devvrat | ninadsp: nice |
| 13:11.26 | ninadsp | should we move to that? |
| 13:11.32 | disismt | no :P |
| 13:11.49 | devvrat | ajuonline: what are your comments on #gsoc-in :P |
| 13:11.58 | ajuonline | thats a fake channel :P |
| 13:12.04 | devvrat | lol |
| 13:12.04 | apaliwal | me off guys...got some work |
| 13:12.07 | apaliwal | cya later |
| 13:12.13 | ninadsp | hmmm..... |
| 13:12.13 | ninadsp | :| |
| 13:12.17 | ninadsp | c ya! :) |
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| 13:12.25 | ninadsp | apaliwal: best luck with your application |
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| 13:13.21 | gangil | what to do now , after having submitted my application? |
| 13:13.33 | gangil | i am really getting nervous |
| 13:13.43 | ninadsp | wait! :) |
| 13:13.50 | t0ms | gangil: get involved with the project |
| 13:13.59 | I_love_her | !next |
| 13:14.00 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 13:14.56 | Ivanovic | gangil: now you should communicate with your org |
| 13:14.59 | smtms | gangil, live |
| 13:15.12 | Ivanovic | gangil: that is: react on their feedback and further improve your proposal |
| 13:15.15 | Ivanovic | show that you are interested |
| 13:15.24 | Ivanovic | be helpful, be available, stuff like this |
| 13:15.24 | gangil | ya, i have been doing that .. |
| 13:15.48 | ninadsp | Ivanovic: get in touch as in mailing list or mentors? |
| 13:15.49 | ninadsp | Ivanivic: or irc? |
| 13:16.01 | Ivanovic | ninadsp: whatever the org prefers |
| 13:16.09 | gangil | ok |
| 13:16.21 | Ivanovic | some will rely on irc, some on mailling lists, some on "other forms of contact" |
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| 13:16.39 | ninadsp | Ivanovic: thanx :) |
| 13:16.56 | Ivanovic | in general the orgs should "know" the ones behind the proposals when looking at the proposals |
| 13:17.05 | Ivanovic | basically an "ah, right, this one" experience |
| 13:17.42 | Ivanovic | (of course it should be the positive version, not the "oh no, not this guy again...") ;) |
| 13:17.44 | codelearner | !logs |
| 13:17.44 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 13:23.07 | ojwb | Ivanovic: better the devil you know, maybe |
| 13:23.57 | I_love_her | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.00 | I_love_her | oops |
| 13:24.49 | p_l | lol |
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| 13:25.46 | p_l | suddenly recalls "strictly no lols" policy on some channels and wonders how some Common Lisp web rameworks would take those... |
| 13:26.05 | I_love_her | lol :P |
| 13:26.10 | I_love_her | :D |
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| 13:27.01 | I_love_her | p_l: do you code in lisp |
| 13:27.46 | p_l | imagine having (defpackage :your-app (:use :lol :wtf :rofl :mao)) ^^; |
| 13:27.57 | p_l | I_love_her: yup |
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| 13:28.08 | p_l | not much, but it's nice language |
| 13:28.39 | I_love_her | haven't coded in lisp as of now |
| 13:29.02 | I_love_her | I_love_python |
| 13:29.07 | p_l | I found that CL filepaths tend to kick some people badly :D |
| 13:29.28 | I_love_her | :D |
| 13:30.33 | p_l | My only problem as of now was that #P reader macro differntiates between "/somedir" and "/somedir/". The first is a file, the second a directory :D |
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| 13:31.56 | p_l | for future porting efforts to VMS, filepaths will be certainly much nicer than what people have in other libraries ^_^ |
| 13:32.14 | I_love_her | yep |
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| 13:52.53 | tft | I thought i was alone |
| 13:53.11 | tft | there are a million bots already |
| 13:53.30 | smtms | tft, so, you are a bot? |
| 13:53.30 | tft | hi ! |
| 13:53.34 | tft | !hi |
| 13:53.35 | socinfo | Error: "hi" is not a valid command. |
| 13:53.38 | tft | :D |
| 13:54.03 | patri | :D |
| 13:54.10 | tft | no i thought i was the one sitting and listening to this empty room |
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| 13:54.22 | I_love_her | too |
| 13:55.03 | tft | I made submitted my proposals yesterday |
| 13:55.12 | patri | hi socinfo |
| 13:55.26 | patri | socinfo: good bot ! |
| 13:55.26 | socinfo | Error: "good" is not a valid command. |
| 13:55.30 | tft | !proposals |
| 13:55.30 | socinfo | Error: "proposals" is not a valid command. |
| 13:55.46 | patri | !next |
| 13:55.47 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 13:55.48 | tft | !help? |
| 13:55.48 | socinfo | Error: "help?" is not a valid command. |
| 13:56.04 | patri | !help |
| 13:56.05 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 13:56.08 | tft | ok lets not play with the bot :P |
| 13:56.17 | patri | !advice |
| 13:56.17 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 13:56.25 | patri | !:P |
| 13:56.26 | socinfo | Error: ":P" is not a valid command. |
| 13:56.39 | I_love_her | :D |
| 13:56.43 | tft | yeah read all that :P |
| 13:57.10 | tft | nothing helps if you are running without any experience |
| 13:57.40 | I_love_her | indeed |
| 13:57.49 | shirish | Error: "socinfo" not a good bot |
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| 13:58.45 | tft | yeah so accepted or rejected is secondary , have a lot to learn :| |
| 13:58.55 | I_love_her | danderson doesn't likes socinfo to be played with ;) |
| 13:59.06 | I_love_her | *like |
| 13:59.11 | tft | :D |
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| 13:59.52 | skbohra | learning really a lot I owe gsoc for that |
| 14:00.08 | I_love_her | gsoc ftw |
| 14:00.23 | skbohra | I didnt get selected last year , |
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| 14:00.34 | tft | I am having some roadbloacks mainy coz my net is a turtule |
| 14:00.35 | skbohra | but learnt a lot |
| 14:00.54 | I_love_her | sad |
| 14:00.56 | tft | skbohra : thats nice |
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| 14:01.07 | tft | that you learned actually |
| 14:01.17 | tft | that is the main motive :) |
| 14:01.21 | I_love_her | skbohra: which org did you apply for thsi time |
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| 14:01.37 | skbohra | sahana and sunlight |
| 14:01.48 | thiagoss | !next |
| 14:01.49 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 14:01.50 | I_love_her | nice |
| 14:02.10 | skbohra | I_love_her: and you |
| 14:02.13 | I_love_her | is sunlight channel a bit silent |
| 14:02.18 | I_love_her | honeynet |
| 14:02.23 | tft | I_love_her : are you a student or a mentor? |
| 14:02.29 | skbohra | cool |
| 14:02.43 | I_love_her | tft: student :) |
| 14:02.57 | tft | I wanted to apply to gentoo |
| 14:02.57 | skbohra | I_love_her: ya bit silent ;) |
| 14:03.05 | I_love_her | do you find mentors with nick I_love_her ;) |
| 14:03.17 | tft | nope |
| 14:03.38 | skbohra | really want to know who is she :P |
| 14:03.43 | tft | difficult to say actually, who is who here |
| 14:04.03 | skbohra | s/want/wants |
| 14:04.21 | skbohra | /s/want/wants |
| 14:04.25 | skbohra | :( |
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| 14:04.40 | I_love_her | "she" is chick |
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| 14:05.12 | I_love_her | tft: can't guess by the way people talk or by nick |
| 14:06.21 | tft | next for me is waiting for the comments , still got none. and next to regection will be flooding my ideas to the mentors mailbox in hope someone will say go ahead |
| 14:06.50 | tft | the system works quite independently, like you do your own thing all the time |
| 14:07.10 | I_love_her | tft: give them some time to go through,as with gentoo they must have got many proposals |
| 14:07.19 | tft | if useful , that is good, if not , you get to know how not to do it :P |
| 14:07.34 | I_love_her | very true |
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| 14:09.30 | shirish | oops ! sorry danderson , thank you I_love_her |
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| 14:11.03 | shirish | hi l0nwlf_ |
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| 14:11.33 | I_love_her | shirish: no problem..danderson said he is not in mood to kick people for spamming :P |
| 14:11.34 | l0nwlf_ | hi shirish , you sure eems to b quite _energetic_ today |
| 14:11.46 | l0nwlf_ | must had drank loads of Glucon-D |
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| 14:12.05 | tft | err... am i spamming? |
| 14:12.14 | shirish_ | Lucky me.. ha ha why do you think so l0nwlf_ |
| 14:12.16 | I_love_her | nope |
| 14:12.24 | I_love_her | used a wrong word |
| 14:12.28 | I_love_her | sorry buddy |
| 14:12.43 | tft | :) |
| 14:13.14 | tft | !danderson |
| 14:13.14 | socinfo | Error: "danderson" is not a valid command. |
| 14:13.36 | I_love_her | :D |
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| 14:14.17 | shirish_ | :)) |
| 14:14.20 | tft | oh, I recon he is a google employee/menor/manager |
| 14:14.27 | I_love_her | danderson will make socinfo understand in a minute what he is ;P |
| 14:14.31 | I_love_her | ;) |
| 14:14.37 | tft | ;) |
| 14:14.45 | shirish_ | best do not mess with the ops.. |
| 14:14.48 | shirish_ | not a good habit |
| 14:15.05 | I_love_her | right |
| 14:15.52 | shirish_ | absolutely right !! :P |
| 14:15.55 | tft | thanks for the tip, I am not messing things I need to know who they are, if their names pop up frequently |
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| 14:16.47 | shirish_ | well not an appreciated way to get to know the things tft |
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| 14:17.29 | I_love_her | tft: are you from delhi ? |
| 14:17.43 | tft | ok... the preffered way was to read the blog carefully, I see a video |
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| 14:18.17 | shirish_ | where are you from I_love_her |
| 14:18.27 | tft | yeah ,thanks for reminding I got no cloak :( |
| 14:18.41 | I_love_her | kanpur |
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| 14:18.52 | shirish_ | Oh ! nice.. |
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| 14:19.07 | lifeeth | I_love_her, Which hall? |
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| 14:19.17 | I_love_her | 2 |
| 14:19.30 | shirish_ | what hall ? |
| 14:19.42 | shirish_ | confusion LOL |
| 14:19.43 | shirish_ | never mind |
| 14:20.10 | I_love_her | lifeeth: which org did you submit your apps to |
| 14:20.38 | I_love_her | shirish: that's our hostel no.. |
| 14:20.40 | shirish_ | !next |
| 14:20.40 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 14:20.48 | lifeeth | I_love_her, Sahana |
| 14:20.54 | shirish_ | Ok so you people from same college good !! |
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| 14:21.02 | I_love_her | lifeeth: great |
| 14:21.10 | I_love_her | shirish: yep |
| 14:21.12 | shirish_ | !help |
| 14:21.12 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 14:21.43 | I_love_her | lifeeth: have you participated before |
| 14:21.54 | lifeeth | I_love_her, Nope |
| 14:21.59 | I_love_her | lifeeth: btw,you from which hall |
| 14:22.08 | lifeeth | I_love_her, h1 :) |
| 14:22.44 | tft | I guess all that hall talk is about iit? |
| 14:22.50 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 14:22.50 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 14:22.51 | I_love_her | lifeeth: good to know in advance |
| 14:23.01 | harrynguyen | !numapps |
| 14:23.01 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 14:23.50 | lifeeth | tft, Yeah |
| 14:24.23 | devvrat | hi lifeeth |
| 14:24.39 | lifeeth | devvrat, Hey! |
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| 14:24.51 | tft | well hi everyone :D |
| 14:25.01 | I_love_her | :D |
| 14:25.33 | devvrat | lifeeth: relaxing after submitting appl |
| 14:25.53 | lifeeth | devvrat, Yeah |
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| 14:26.18 | I_love_her | devvrat: you from which hall |
| 14:26.34 | devvrat | your's only :P |
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| 14:30.54 | tft | is leaving |
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| 14:32.08 | j-b | hello |
| 14:32.22 | I_love_her | hello j-b |
| 14:32.31 | j-b | We have a student that suggested a documentation project, should I say this is ineligible? |
| 14:32.43 | I_love_her | ya |
| 14:32.54 | ojwb | j-b: yes |
| 14:32.59 | ArthurLiu | j-b, can it be reworked into something that is not only documentation ? |
| 14:33.26 | j-b | ArthurLiu: well, I think the application is not clear if it is documentation or integration of documentation in the application... :D |
| 14:33.28 | ojwb | it really should be predominantly code, AIUI |
| 14:33.42 | I_love_her | the student can rephrase the whole project |
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| 14:34.18 | j-b | ojwb: thanks. |
| 14:34.28 | ojwb | it's not really the time to be rephrasing your whole project |
| 14:34.35 | j-b | that is what I thought, but I prefer to have a confirmation |
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| 14:35.27 | I_love_her | ojwb: but one go for a basic outline change |
| 14:35.39 | I_love_her | s/one/can go |
| 14:36.18 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#doc_proposals is what the FAQ says |
| 14:36.43 | ojwb | it's not very firm, but it does say "this program is an exercise in developing code" |
| 14:36.50 | j-b | ojwb: so, if the work is about the code integration of the documentation browsing, this is fine, else, it is not. |
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| 14:37.06 | j-b | right? |
| 14:37.08 | p_l | or maybe a tool for autogenerating the docs from source :D |
| 14:37.19 | ojwb | code that processes docs is fine |
| 14:37.31 | ojwb | if that's what your saying |
| 14:37.35 | SRabbelier | j-b: of course it is :) |
| 14:37.50 | SRabbelier | j-b: The rule is against just writing the actual documentation itself |
| 14:38.04 | SRabbelier | j-b: writing some tool that does something with documentation is totally fine |
| 14:38.04 | nielsgl | !next |
| 14:38.04 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 14:38.07 | j-b | I doubt that I will take the project anyway, but I don't want to blacklist someone wrongly, 'cause this is rude. |
| 14:38.13 | ojwb | documenting the code that is written is expected too of course |
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| 14:38.44 | SRabbelier | ojwb: right, obviously :) |
| 14:39.08 | ojwb | SRabbelier: don't want these students saying "but I'm not allowed to document my code!" |
| 14:40.18 | SRabbelier | ojwb: lol :P |
| 14:40.28 | j-b | pff, applications are long to review |
| 14:40.36 | Erant | Wait, w0t, you can document code? |
| 14:40.41 | Erant | Dammit |
| 14:40.48 | SRabbelier | Erant: I know, shocking right? |
| 14:40.52 | nielsgl | j-b: you are a mentor? |
| 14:40.54 | j-b | "I knew I was missing something... :D" |
| 14:40.57 | j-b | nielsgl: admin |
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| 14:41.07 | j-b | nielsgl: and mentor |
| 14:41.14 | nielsgl | You've got many proposals to read? |
| 14:41.32 | j-b | 77 |
| 14:42.13 | I_love_her | wow ..77 |
| 14:42.15 | DrJoel | doesn't want j-b's job.. yikes 77 to read |
| 14:42.27 | I_love_her | which org ? |
| 14:42.35 | j-b | I_love_her: videolan |
| 14:42.48 | DrJoel | it's hard to do a good job on that many.. i guess you have to quickly triage the ineligible and bad ones |
| 14:42.48 | I_love_her | great! |
| 14:42.57 | I_love_her | is fan of vlc |
| 14:43.18 | nielsgl | j-b: good luck with that! |
| 14:43.34 | nielsgl | I think selecting the projects/participants is a tough job. |
| 14:43.47 | ojwb | yes |
| 14:44.02 | borja | DrJoel: That's what we do in our org. The admin (me) triages the apps into "Ineligible", "Might be ineligible, but let's give the student a chance to explain himself", "Needs work" and "Looks good" |
| 14:44.07 | ojwb | you're going to disappoint good applicants |
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| 14:44.30 | borja | Then we let each mentor go through the proposals they've been assigned to review in more detail |
| 14:44.36 | nielsgl | That is very likely |
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| 14:44.48 | j-b | nielsgl: I have already spend many hours just reviewing |
| 14:44.59 | I_love_her | borja: nice workflow |
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| 14:45.30 | Ivanovic | !timeline |
| 14:45.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 14:45.40 | nielsgl | j-b: but at least you don't carry the burden of awaking the results and placements ;-) |
| 14:45.47 | ojwb | borja: how do you give them the list to review? |
| 14:45.50 | borja | I_love_her: we're an umbrella organization, so I'm not really in a position to judge the merits of each application, but I can go as far as telling if an application needs some work. e.g., if you didn't include a timeline for your project, that's a bad sign |
| 14:46.15 | ojwb | urls? |
| 14:46.19 | I_love_her | borja: which org? |
| 14:46.39 | borja | ojwb: I assign each application to a mentor. Right now Melange doesn't allow mentors to see the proposals they've been assigned to, but most of them can tell which ones they should look at just based on the proposal title |
| 14:46.54 | ojwb | ah, ok |
| 14:46.59 | borja | ojwb: But I will probably also send them URLs, because they've bound to complain about the unwieldy list of proposals ;-) |
| 14:47.07 | borja | I_love_her: Globus |
| 14:47.24 | I_love_her | nice :) |
| 14:47.30 | ojwb | has been trying to come up with some suggestion for how to tame the list |
| 14:47.45 | ojwb | perhaps a "tags" file the org can fill in |
| 14:47.48 | ojwb | something like that |
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| 14:48.12 | SRabbelier | ojwb: yup, we have an issue for that |
| 14:48.40 | ojwb | ok, not surprising really |
| 14:48.43 | [[xXx]] | hi, I would like to ask you guys a question concerning the proposal evaluation |
| 14:48.48 | borja | ojwb: Right now, I "tag" the proposals with -2 when they're probably ineligible but we want to give the student a chance to explain him/herself and -1 if the proposal needs works |
| 14:49.02 | borja | ojwb: That way, it's easier for mentors to pinpoint the "good" and "bad" proposals |
| 14:49.08 | j-b | nielsgl: yeah :D |
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| 14:49.19 | nielsgl | borja: how many applications do you have to read? |
| 14:49.32 | [[xXx]] | On the site it is stated: Mentoring organizations rank student proposals and perform any other due diligence on their potential mentees; student proposals are matched with a mentor |
| 14:49.54 | borja | nielsgl: 47, although I've already triaged them. Now it's up to the mentors to each rank 4-5 proposals each |
| 14:49.59 | [[xXx]] | what is the role of Google in selecting and approving proposals? |
| 14:50.21 | dhaun | [[xXx]]: none, it's up to the orgs |
| 14:50.25 | borja | [[xXx]]: Google does not select or approve proposals, but they do give each organization a finite number of student slots. |
| 14:50.31 | j-b | how many applications did KDE get? |
| 14:50.36 | I_love_her | [[xXx]]: nice nick :) |
| 14:50.47 | ArthurLiu | j-b, many many many many :) |
| 14:50.50 | borja | [[xXx]]: Which means that an organization may not be able to accept its top N picks because Google could only fund less than N slots for that org |
| 14:51.05 | [[xXx]] | I see... |
| 14:51.19 | [[xXx]] | borja: I see |
| 14:51.32 | [[xXx]] | borja: and how is this number determined? |
| 14:51.40 | arunmathew88 | Can we see whats the tag and rank assigned to our proposals? |
| 14:51.40 | borja | !slots |
| 14:51.40 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 14:51.51 | ojwb | arunmathew88: no |
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| 14:52.13 | [[xXx]] | borja: thanks |
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| 14:52.53 | arunmathew88 | ojwb: Where can we get undocumented info such as slots assigned to orgs? |
| 14:53.03 | ojwb | you can't |
| 14:53.13 | ojwb | well, until 20th |
| 14:53.15 | SRabbelier | arunmathew88: Slots won't be announced for quite a while |
| 14:53.17 | arunmathew88 | ojwb: Thank You. |
| 14:53.23 | ojwb | then you can count how many students each org has |
| 14:53.44 | arunmathew88 | SRabbelier: Thanks. |
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| 14:55.51 | harrynguyen | let say if there are 40 apps out of 5900, so the org will able to accept 8 students, right? |
| 14:56.09 | borja | harrynguyen: there is no exact formula for determining that number |
| 14:56.10 | borja | !slots |
| 14:56.10 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 14:56.51 | ojwb | harrynguyen: essentially, no |
| 14:57.03 | ojwb | that's the starting point, but there are a lot of other factors |
| 14:57.09 | harrynguyen | yep, they're saying that org apps / total apps x total students ... |
| 14:57.26 | harrynguyen | i c |
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| 14:57.47 | ojwb | for a start, each org gets at least two slots, if they can use them |
| 14:57.55 | ojwb | or at least that has been the case in the past |
| 14:58.18 | harrynguyen | ojwb |
| 14:58.27 | harrynguyen | thanks for the explanation |
| 14:59.25 | nuba | are the mechanics behind allocation and tweakings all in the melange app? |
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| 14:59.41 | ojwb | no, there's a lot of human input |
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| 14:59.56 | ojwb | that's clear from the document |
| 15:00.49 | nuba | i did read it, but i ask if its done using melange too |
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| 15:01.07 | nuba | cause its sounding like a real cool app |
| 15:01.22 | SRabbelier | nuba: we have an algorithm to do the initial distribution |
| 15:01.34 | SRabbelier | nuba: and to adjust for any offsets that are entered |
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| 15:01.42 | SRabbelier | nuba: but the final sanity-check is always done by a human :) |
| 15:02.52 | nuba | nice. im checking the melange demo now :) |
| 15:04.01 | nuba | btw nice naming - after all, the spice must flow ;) |
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| 15:05.07 | SRabbelier | nuba: indeed :) |
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| 15:09.07 | andrecastelo_ | a friend of mine came to me, yesterday, 18:40 UTC |
| 15:09.16 | andrecastelo_ | asking me to help him CHOOSE a project to apply for GSoC |
| 15:09.28 | SRabbelier | andrecastelo_: timing fail :P |
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| 15:09.40 | harrynguyen | is he applying for next year? :P |
| 15:09.45 | ojwb | he could pick pretty much any project and be assured of not getting it |
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| 15:09.54 | andrecastelo_ | hahaha |
| 15:09.55 | harrynguyen | it's pretty smart to choose from now. |
| 15:09.56 | noonn | hello, i din't find when the date for a student to apply ? |
| 15:10.02 | andrecastelo_ | ojwb: pretty much :) |
| 15:10.04 | borja | We had two mentors yesterday who, after I sent out the "It's time to rank your proposals" e-mail, responded with "Wait, the deadline was today?" ;-) |
| 15:10.15 | ojwb | noonn: the deadline has passed already |
| 15:10.22 | noonn | thanks |
| 15:10.47 | borja | Then again, I've come to regard these things as normal from people in academia |
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| 15:11.03 | ojwb | well, it matters less to mentors |
| 15:11.24 | omniter | howdy gee-soccers |
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| 15:11.51 | borja | ah, they actually knew students they were planning on poking about submitting an application |
| 15:12.04 | ojwb | oic |
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| 15:13.25 | harrynguyen | due to the recent mass-killing in NY, are there any possibilities for Google to extend the deadline? |
| 15:13.35 | borja | o_O |
| 15:13.35 | omniter | ... |
| 15:13.39 | thiago_home | there will be no extensions |
| 15:13.41 | borja | !extennsion |
| 15:13.41 | socinfo | Error: "extennsion" is not a valid command. |
| 15:13.44 | borja | !extension |
| 15:13.44 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 15:14.04 | harrynguyen | !killed |
| 15:14.04 | socinfo | Error: "killed" is not a valid command. |
| 15:14.17 | ArthurLiu | !ponies |
| 15:14.17 | socinfo | "ponies" is hooray! |
| 15:14.21 | omniter | and usually extensions are made BEFORE the deadline, not after. |
| 15:14.21 | borja | lol |
| 15:14.29 | borja | omg ponies! |
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| 15:14.54 | harrynguyen | lol |
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| 15:15.27 | harrynguyen | how does the Google T-Shirt look like? |
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| 15:15.47 | harrynguyen | that's the only thing I'm interested in... |
| 15:16.01 | ojwb | gorgeous |
| 15:16.03 | ochot | lol |
| 15:16.22 | borja | it is, by definition, filled with 42 different kinds of awesome |
| 15:16.25 | j-b | is jenred around? I need advise for woman integration in open source project |
| 15:16.40 | ojwb | well, she's not on here... |
| 15:16.54 | l0nwlf_ | j-b: try #systers |
| 15:17.41 | j-b | l0nwlf_: thx |
| 15:17.50 | harrynguyen | lol, it would be more concrete with some visual figures... |
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| 15:19.13 | harrynguyen | in additions, what's the certificate at the end of gsoc? |
| 15:19.39 | ojwb | it's says you took part and passed |
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| 15:19.42 | ojwb | something like that |
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| 15:20.48 | harrynguyen | "passed" sounds so examinable... lol |
| 15:20.56 | j-b | l0nwlf_: noone there :D |
| 15:21.15 | ojwb | some people can claim "course credit" for it |
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| 15:21.28 | l0nwlf_ | I don't exactly remember the channel name |
| 15:21.36 | l0nwlf_ | she's the OP of systers |
| 15:22.32 | ojwb | email her? |
| 15:22.40 | ojwb | she sent something to the mentors list recently |
| 15:23.20 | j-b | so far, we have had exactly 0 feminine developers... |
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| 15:23.56 | harrynguyen | cool! |
| 15:24.16 | ThomasWaldmann | prepares some python tests |
| 15:24.52 | harrynguyen | r there any rules against asking mentors about the outcome? |
| 15:25.18 | harrynguyen | before 20 Apr, anyway. |
| 15:25.19 | ojwb | they won't be able to tell you, so there's not much point annoying them |
| 15:25.55 | ojwb | at least not until very shortly before, and we're asked not to "reveal early" |
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| 15:26.25 | harrynguyen | oh ic, seems like not much preparation are needed before 20 Apr. |
| 15:26.47 | ojwb | there's a lot to do, especially for the larger orgs |
| 15:26.52 | yec | they were some problems when they reveal before the deadline |
| 15:27.18 | ojwb | it's happened before that students have been told X, and then it's not been the case |
| 15:27.20 | tft | at least one can ask how many proposals they have got on that particular idea? |
| 15:27.29 | yec | if you have to be dropped for other at the last time you will feel cheated |
| 15:27.48 | yec | you can ask but they don't know until april 15th |
| 15:28.21 | ojwb | tft: that's reasonable to ask, though bear in mind that an org with 70 applications is already busy without telling 70 students how many other people applied for the same idea |
| 15:28.48 | yec | apart one idea could be low priority and even if you were the only one applying |
| 15:29.13 | ojwb | or your application may not be as good as someone on a different idea |
| 15:29.13 | yec | you would not be choosen |
| 15:29.29 | yec | so just relax |
| 15:29.39 | yec | answer any question you get in your app |
| 15:29.52 | ojwb | or it may be the only person who can mentor your idea is also the only mentor 3 other ideas |
| 15:29.54 | ojwb | or ... |
| 15:29.55 | yec | in the least time possible and with the best form |
| 15:29.56 | tft | yeah got it, thanks :) outcome has to be 0 or 1 irrespective of how many competitors are there. |
| 15:30.09 | yec | yes |
| 15:30.14 | I_love_her | !naughty |
| 15:30.14 | socinfo | Error: "naughty" is not a valid command. |
| 15:30.18 | harrynguyen | it sounds like it is unnecessary to contact mentors before 20 Apr, am I right? |
| 15:30.24 | tft | yeah so no questioning. |
| 15:30.28 | I_love_her | !next |
| 15:30.29 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 15:30.30 | yec | you can help yourself answering fast and precisely to any question |
| 15:30.43 | ojwb | harrynguyen: if they ask you questions, answer them |
| 15:30.45 | yec | of doubt in your proposal |
| 15:30.50 | ojwb | and feel free to hang out in the channel |
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| 15:31.11 | tft | yeah that is i am doing, and reading all the logs |
| 15:31.11 | anothy_x | i'd say "encouraged" to hang out. |
| 15:32.17 | ojwb | yeah |
| 15:32.22 | harrynguyen | ok, got it. |
| 15:32.32 | I_love_her | !stats |
| 15:32.32 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 15:47.20 | I_love_her | socinfo is also in the list of most active nicks ,interesting |
| 15:47.20 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 15:47.57 | I_love_her | and most of the random quotes saying '""extension" is We're not extending the deadline. Period."' |
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| 15:49.30 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 15:49.30 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 15:54.42 | tft | people are really interesting out here * last few days* insane thoughts, crazy things, know hows, virtual kicks and what not :D |
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| 15:55.46 | smtms | tft, you are deluding yourself |
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| 15:56.30 | tft | or just flattered |
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| 16:07.53 | newt | !next |
| 16:07.53 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 16:09.31 | smtms | newt, what's so cool about this command? |
| 16:09.54 | newt | what isn't cool about it? |
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| 16:10.21 | newt | makes it so people don't need to check the calendar |
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| 16:14.08 | smtms | newt, that's what is uncool about it - people spam the channel instead of checking the calendar |
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| 16:15.05 | newt | while true, it's a convenience thing.. |
| 16:15.20 | newt | honestly, i don't see anything wrong with it if there's no convos going |
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| 16:15.42 | newt | don't want to sound like a tool, but take any grievances up with the @s? <_< |
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| 16:15.55 | smtms | newt, I can teach you how to use bookmarks (or favourites) in your browser |
| 16:16.02 | newt | oh, i know how |
| 16:16.14 | ajuonline | hi smtms :D |
| 16:16.19 | ajuonline | smtms: you mentoring? |
| 16:16.37 | smtms | ajuonline, I'm a student |
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| 16:16.44 | newt | as i said, it's more convenient to use the commands here |
| 16:16.49 | ajuonline | smtms: which organisation? |
| 16:17.09 | smtms | ajuonline, NetBSD, DragonFly BSD or none, we'll see |
| 16:17.33 | ajuonline | smtms: you applied last year as well? |
| 16:18.02 | smtms | ajuonline, I participated last year |
| 16:18.15 | makmanalp | ajuonline: he was a lazy bum last year |
| 16:18.29 | makmanalp | idled on irc all day |
| 16:18.34 | smtms | makmanalp, sorry? |
| 16:18.38 | pygi | hi |
| 16:18.52 | ajuonline | high fives pygi |
| 16:18.54 | makmanalp | on #nr |
| 16:18.55 | ajuonline | whats up kid :) |
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| 16:19.05 | pygi | nm, discussing my application with various people |
| 16:19.05 | pygi | you? |
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| 16:19.27 | ajuonline | i woke up after a 13 hour sleep. had a conference call over some stuff |
| 16:19.31 | ajuonline | and now, i think i should get some coffee |
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| 16:19.41 | ajuonline | having a bad headache i guess |
| 16:19.49 | pygi | :)))) |
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| 16:23.01 | motsjonov | Hello to all. I have one question: When I should (did) send "documentation is required from students"? I mean papers from University. Should I sent it before 3th April or when (if) I become GSoC student? |
| 16:23.40 | smtms | motsjonov, after you are accepted and only if you are |
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| 16:24.09 | newt | i can't imagine the overhead on getting all that info from everyone |
| 16:24.11 | newt | o_o |
| 16:24.34 | motsjonov | smtms: The same time I will join "private students' mailing list", yes? |
| 16:24.38 | motsjonov | newt: =)) |
| 16:24.53 | smtms | motsjonov, not exactly |
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| 16:25.00 | smtms | motsjonov, don't worry about it |
| 16:25.10 | smtms | newt, your statement didn't make sense |
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| 16:25.31 | motsjonov | smtms: ok. I won't. |
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| 16:25.57 | newt | smtms- it's a numbers game, with cost to google |
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| 16:26.23 | mib_nd37ip | this channel is really quiet today |
| 16:26.25 | newt | all documentation sent to google will cost them money/time |
| 16:26.41 | mib_nd37ip | why? |
| 16:26.56 | newt | because... it... will..? |
| 16:26.59 | makmanalp | newt: well, the salaries they give us cost money / time :P |
| 16:27.08 | newt | :3 |
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| 16:27.54 | smtms | makmanalp, let's make it noisy! |
| 16:28.01 | makmanalp | smtms: oh, by the way, your nickname resembles someone i know, but you're not him apparently, so sorry about the random outburst |
| 16:28.18 | I_love_her | mib_nd37ip: everybody enjoyin gweekends :) |
| 16:28.27 | smtms | makmanalp, it was *very* inappropriate to call me lazy |
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| 16:28.50 | makmanalp | smtms: heh |
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| 16:29.27 | motsjonov | smtms: Is there way to see other sutedents applications before 15th April? =) |
| 16:29.36 | mib_nd37ip | areyou from google makmanalp? |
| 16:29.41 | makmanalp | motsjonov: ask them, probably |
| 16:29.46 | smtms | motsjonov, 15th? what happens on the 15th of April? |
| 16:29.49 | makmanalp | mib_nd37ip: nope, not even close |
| 16:30.01 | smtms | motsjonov, generally, you never see other students applications |
| 16:30.06 | mib_nd37ip | why sending appliations to google costs money? |
| 16:30.10 | mib_nd37ip | i really don't get it |
| 16:30.22 | PearlJam | money? |
| 16:30.25 | makmanalp | mib_nd37ip: they have to read all those and process them |
| 16:30.31 | motsjonov | smtms: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 16:31.04 | motsjonov | smtms: I thought Mentors should choose students. but I ment realy 20th |
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| 16:32.26 | motsjonov | smtms: So will I see "Abstract" of accepted applications? |
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| 16:42.18 | motsjonov | Is here anybody, who have admin priveleges to socghop.appspot.com? =) I just woundering is there were any of 150 accepted mentor organizations, which get no one application =) Or maybe somebody could said how many applications were this year? =) I won't tell anyone =) |
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| 16:42.45 | susscorfa | !next |
| 16:42.45 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 16:43.04 | Corsix | !numapps |
| 16:43.05 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 16:43.10 | Corsix | motsjonov ^^ |
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| 16:48.15 | motsjonov | Corsix: thanks. |
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| 17:00.21 | ajuonline | !stats |
| 17:00.21 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 17:00.42 | skiquel | lh: y0 |
| 17:01.10 | ajuonline | skiquel: she is partying in vegas right now |
| 17:01.22 | ajuonline | :D spare the kid, she needs rest as well :P |
| 17:01.44 | pygi | shoots ajuonline |
| 17:01.51 | anothy_x | it's a bit early for partying there. recovering seems more plausible. |
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| 17:05.20 | mib_nd37ip | who is partying in vegas? |
| 17:05.58 | lnanek | dodm |
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| 17:06.43 | lnanek | geh, oops. was going to mention that someone posted a bunch of wesnoth proposals earlier. |
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| 17:09.51 | lnanek | http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas#GSoC_Student_pages - it's on their wiki, not the gsoc site, but still a way to see the sort of thing other students are submitting |
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| 17:10.43 | omniter | lnanek, who are you talking to? :s |
| 17:11.03 | omniter | and what's dodm |
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| 17:11.56 | lnanek | dodm is random keys I hit by accident ^^ |
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| 17:12.16 | lnanek | talking to the chat buffer, I suppose, someone asked about viewing other student's proposals |
| 17:12.31 | lnanek | I like to skim through the buffer and then clear it, heh. |
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| 17:15.30 | homunq | had a hard time with the survey. I see 5 categories: junk, poor, needs work, would love to say yes today, and backup applications from an applicant. The fraction of junk is not correlated to the franction of "love to say yes" in the way the survey assumes. |
| 17:15.56 | omniter | you can't view other students' proposals until they're accepted. and even then, you can only see the abstracts |
| 17:17.04 | ochot | homunq: which project? I heard that proposal quality went up in general... |
| 17:17.20 | lnanek | yeah, wesnoth requested students make wiki pages for their proposals as well, though. so viewing those can be a substitute for the curious. |
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| 17:17.49 | omniter | ah |
| 17:17.50 | omniter | i see |
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| 17:19.18 | mib_nd37ip | how much you guys get paid for gsoc? |
| 17:19.46 | homunq | lnanek: Sugar Labs. Our quality was way up until the last minute, when we got a pile of "poor" and "needs work". |
| 17:20.20 | mib_nd37ip | hey homunq |
| 17:20.24 | mib_nd37ip | you from Sugar labs? |
| 17:20.28 | mib_nd37ip | what is that? |
| 17:20.34 | mib_nd37ip | sell suger? |
| 17:20.35 | smtms | mib_nd37ip, a candy factory |
| 17:20.36 | mib_nd37ip | sugar* |
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| 17:20.45 | mib_nd37ip | i see |
| 17:21.21 | lnanek | Sugar Labs does the One Laptop Per Child interface of that name, I presume. |
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| 17:22.12 | Gaurav__ | he all |
| 17:22.41 | Gaurav__ | anyone have idea about the number of applications submitted this year in gsoc? |
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| 17:22.51 | I_love_her | !numapps |
| 17:22.52 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 17:23.15 | homunq | lnanek: yeah, it's actually a general education interface, not just for those computers. |
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| 17:23.40 | lnanek | Ah, I see. |
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| 17:26.50 | Gaurav__ | !numapps |
| 17:26.51 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 17:28.15 | disismt | hah |
| 17:28.25 | kashthealien | !help |
| 17:28.25 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 17:28.38 | kashthealien | !next |
| 17:28.38 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 17:28.41 | disismt | !wiki |
| 17:28.41 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
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| 17:29.12 | kashthealien | !advice |
| 17:29.12 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 17:29.37 | atul15 | !next |
| 17:29.37 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 17:31.20 | lnanek | I remember a MS PDA OS where they didn't have a way to quit programs. You left a program by starting another, although if the other one was already running you got the already running instance. The system managed what needed to be closed and apps were expected to persist their state. |
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| 17:31.29 | lnanek | Seems like Sugar could have done something similar to make the computing interface a lot simpler for kids. |
| 17:33.42 | omniter | adults are the ones who need simpler computing interfaces. kids usually are more proficient at computing than their parents. |
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| 17:34.03 | I_love_her | true :) |
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| 17:47.13 | sid0_ | I_love_her: are you y6, y7 or y8 |
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| 17:48.45 | I_love_her | sid0_: y8 |
| 17:49.03 | sid0_ | I_love_her: who are you? |
| 17:49.30 | I_love_her | sid0_: what happened |
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| 17:49.40 | sid0_ | just asking |
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| 17:50.01 | I_love_her | abhishek |
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| 17:50.30 | sid0_ | hall 3? |
| 17:50.40 | I_love_her | 5 |
| 17:50.48 | sid0_ | hm |
| 17:51.07 | I_love_her | btw,why suddenly did you ask this ques |
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| 17:51.23 | I_love_her | how did you know that i was from iitk |
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| 17:51.47 | PearlJam | ur IP traces to IIT K campus. that is why. |
| 17:52.06 | PearlJam | sid0_: what say ? :P |
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| 17:52.20 | sid0_ | yes |
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| 17:52.22 | I_love_her | that i know ...but spotting me out of 513 people,strange !!! |
| 17:52.33 | landon | we're curious about newcomers |
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| 17:57.52 | brainfck_ | is waiting for comments on his proposals. |
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| 18:02.23 | ritz | which is the most popular IRC client |
| 18:02.29 | ritz | i am actually new to IRC |
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| 18:04.23 | brainfck_ | ritz: which OS? |
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| 18:05.08 | disismt | pidgin best, regardless of OS |
| 18:05.11 | reportingsjr | ritz: use irssi :) |
| 18:05.15 | brainfck_ | disismt: never;) |
| 18:05.16 | reportingsjr | disismt: hahahahaha, that's funny |
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| 18:05.32 | brainfck_ | i prefer colloquy for mac os x and xchat for linux |
| 18:05.43 | reportingsjr | xchat isn't half bad |
| 18:05.49 | disismt | pidgin has the best smileys :D |
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| 18:05.59 | reportingsjr | disismt: that's about all it has :p |
| 18:07.23 | ritz | anyone tried ircll? |
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| 18:07.32 | ritz | ircII |
| 18:07.33 | thiago_home | yes |
| 18:07.35 | thiago_home | 10 years ago |
| 18:07.38 | reportingsjr | xD |
| 18:07.44 | ritz | :) |
| 18:08.00 | reportingsjr | I prefer irssi + screen that way I can switch from a terminal directly to irc without having any extra windows or anything open |
| 18:08.15 | thiago_home | suggest quasselcore for that too |
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| 18:25.10 | onMib | hi when does ranking process start? |
| 18:26.18 | patri | !next |
| 18:26.19 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 18:26.42 | patri | !socinfo |
| 18:26.43 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
| 18:27.00 | Shannon90 | !next |
| 18:27.00 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 18:27.14 | patri | !durinbot |
| 18:27.14 | socinfo | Error: "durinbot" is not a valid command. |
| 18:27.30 | Shannon90 | !comments |
| 18:27.30 | socinfo | Error: "comments" is not a valid command. |
| 18:27.45 | patri | !gsoc |
| 18:27.46 | socinfo | Error: "gsoc" is not a valid command. |
| 18:27.51 | summatusmentis | what're you guys looking for? |
| 18:27.59 | PearlJam | patri: what are you looking for exactly? |
| 18:28.49 | aguent | !Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything |
| 18:28.50 | socinfo | Error: "Answer" is not a valid command. |
| 18:29.05 | Shannon90 | !lol |
| 18:29.05 | socinfo | Error: "lol" is not a valid command. |
| 18:29.09 | venkat119 | can we edit the proposals now? |
| 18:29.16 | Shannon90 | !valid command |
| 18:29.16 | socinfo | Error: "valid" is not a valid command. |
| 18:29.16 | PearlJam | venkat119: yes. |
| 18:29.28 | Shannon90 | !validcommand |
| 18:29.28 | socinfo | Error: "validcommand" is not a valid command. |
| 18:29.39 | venkat119 | then why my edit proposal link is not working? |
| 18:29.56 | PearlJam | oh sorry we cant i guess, even my link is not working. |
| 18:29.57 | venkat119 | it shows page inactive error.. |
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| 18:30.11 | PearlJam | i am not sure, you need to ask someone else. i also have the link but its not working |
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| 18:30.37 | venkat119 | when i asked lh yesterday she said it is possible |
| 18:30.42 | summatusmentis | no, you can't edit the proposals. I believe mentors can flag proposals to allow editing, but editing period has closed. |
| 18:30.52 | PearlJam | there you go. |
| 18:31.40 | summatusmentis | or, mentors can't flag proposals, the feature is being implemented. Addiitonally, you can comment |
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| 18:31.52 | disismt | summatusmentis, even mentors can't allow us to edit proposals this yr |
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| 18:32.16 | patri | aguent: 42 |
| 18:32.23 | makmanalp | venkat119: editing your proposal? i don't think so. |
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| 18:32.39 | summatusmentis | disismt: the functionality may not be implemented yet, but the folks in #melange told me they're probably going to be allowing mentors to allow edits |
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| 18:32.58 | summatusmentis | makmanalp: what orgs did you apply to? |
| 18:32.59 | disismt | anyone can tell me how to upload a local directory to a specific directory of the SVN repo? |
| 18:33.10 | makmanalp | summatusmentis: pardus and libpurple |
| 18:33.15 | makmanalp | (pidgin) |
| 18:33.17 | summatusmentis | oh right, I aske dyou that |
| 18:33.21 | summatusmentis | asked* |
| 18:33.39 | disismt | summatusmentis, you know na? |
| 18:33.57 | summatusmentis | I know what? |
| 18:34.09 | disismt | summatusmentis, my svn question above |
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| 18:34.25 | summatusmentis | oh, I'd read through the svn man pages |
| 18:34.28 | summatusmentis | I don't use svn |
| 18:34.40 | disismt | summatusmentis, what does openAFS use? |
| 18:34.43 | disismt | *then |
| 18:34.53 | summatusmentis | cvs, they're working to move to git |
| 18:35.01 | makmanalp | ugh, cvs :P |
| 18:35.06 | disismt | git worse than cvs, isn't it? |
| 18:35.19 | makmanalp | nope |
| 18:35.25 | summatusmentis | a lot of people rave about git |
| 18:35.34 | disismt | svn vs git??? |
| 18:35.41 | makmanalp | there's nothing to rave, it's just okay |
| 18:35.46 | makmanalp | disismt: now you |
| 18:35.47 | summatusmentis | I know very very little about version control systems |
| 18:35.59 | makmanalp | disismt: 're being a hypemonger |
| 18:36.14 | disismt | makmanalp, and you type slow |
| 18:36.19 | disismt | :D |
| 18:36.26 | makmanalp | no, i accidentally pressed enter |
| 18:36.29 | makmanalp | :) |
| 18:36.38 | makmanalp | it surprised me |
| 18:36.43 | disismt | haha |
| 18:37.27 | lut4rp | svn doesn't even compare to git |
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| 18:37.47 | lut4rp | svn is centralized VCS, git is distributed |
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| 18:38.09 | danderson | yeah, especially for path-based access control or partial tree checkouts :) |
| 18:38.09 | makmanalp | lut4rp: that's liek saying electric cars don't compare to gas powered ones |
| 18:38.15 | makmanalp | *like |
| 18:38.24 | lut4rp | makmanalp, no, its not. |
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| 18:38.41 | lut4rp | git is like an F1 car, svn is like a 40 year old dumptruck |
| 18:38.48 | disismt | happy to have started a war :) |
| 18:38.50 | makmanalp | ... |
| 18:39.01 | danderson | lut4rp: please stop insulting projects because they don't match what you need. |
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| 18:39.09 | makmanalp | there we go. |
| 18:39.14 | lut4rp | danderson, :( |
| 18:39.15 | danderson | I refer you to the exponential adoption curve of svn, which continues to this day |
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| 18:39.52 | lut4rp | OK OK, i sorta go off a tangent whenever I have to battle svn/cvs. |
| 18:39.55 | lut4rp | sorry danderson :) |
| 18:40.28 | lut4rp | makmanalp, incidentally, i have to use CVS everyday, because of Drupal. |
| 18:40.28 | disismt | says dont ya mess with mai boy danderson |
| 18:40.48 | danderson | note that I'm not necessarily disagreeing. For many open source projects, a decentralized model is a better fit, and developers are willing to cope with less friendly/more complex tools |
| 18:41.03 | danderson | (I for instance use git for all my personal version control these days) |
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| 18:41.13 | lut4rp | woot |
| 18:41.14 | lut4rp | :) |
| 18:41.19 | zooko | I use darcs a lot, both for personal and shared work. |
| 18:41.25 | ThomasWaldmann | it can be dvcs AND more friendly :) |
| 18:41.26 | danderson | but for some companies, especially ones where non-technical people need to access version control, svn vs. anything else is a no brainer. |
| 18:41.37 | aguent | danderson: why is he insulting anyone by saying that svn doesnt compare to git? |
| 18:42.03 | lut4rp | aguent, umm, i said that because i believe its wrong to compare their styles of working. |
| 18:42.09 | aguent | i know |
| 18:42.13 | aguent | danderson obivously don't |
| 18:42.16 | danderson | by implying that the comparison goes the same way for everyone |
| 18:42.30 | danderson | (the F1 vs. dumptruck comparison) |
| 18:42.37 | disismt | waaat? |
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| 18:43.01 | lut4rp | yeah, that was not needed. (F1 vs dumptruck) |
| 18:43.04 | aguent | you can't compare them because they are two different methods... it doesnt say something about what is better or worse. exactly because you can't compare them...no better no worse...where is the problem? |
| 18:43.31 | danderson | I agree, but that was not the implication. I just straightened things out a bit :) |
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| 18:43.56 | danderson | but we are in agreement here. Both have their uses, they are different, end of story |
| 18:44.03 | aguent | +1 |
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| 18:44.07 | lut4rp | righto. |
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| 18:44.45 | lut4rp | danderson, also, have you used git-sh ? |
| 18:45.06 | danderson | nope |
| 18:45.11 | danderson | I just use the vanilla CLI |
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| 18:45.20 | lut4rp | you might want to give it a try, its quite good. |
| 18:45.43 | danderson | and right now I'm fighting with zsh, because its completion code has an O(n^2) function in completing file names for `git add` |
| 18:45.47 | danderson | which kinda defeats the purpose |
| 18:46.20 | lut4rp | has never used anything other than (ba)sh |
| 18:46.34 | summatusmentis | me neither |
| 18:46.48 | aguent | danderson: you might just export git to your path and then do "git command" instead of "git-command"? |
| 18:46.49 | zooko | Hee hee hee. |
| 18:47.01 | summatusmentis | that's not true, I've done a little bit of ksh(I think), or whatever AIX uses |
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| 18:48.04 | danderson | aguent: um, what made you think I don't? |
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| 18:49.00 | danderson | just said that the zsh completion code for zsh, in trying to be smart and listing only changed/untracked files in the completion for git-add, slows down in proportion to the number of files in the working copy |
| 18:49.07 | danderson | which is the suck, and is currently annoying the crap out of me |
| 18:49.08 | aguent | danderson: nvm. time to shut up for me |
| 18:49.20 | danderson | especially given that I don't know how to fix it... zsh completion code looks worse than perl :P |
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| 18:51.13 | danderson | and that I don't like the high fusion temperature of lead-free solder |
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| 19:46.30 | vinc456 | !odds |
| 19:46.30 | socinfo | "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
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| 19:46.43 | vinc456 | !numapps |
| 19:46.44 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 19:48.29 | vinc456 | !python |
| 19:48.29 | socinfo | "python" is a popular language for GSoC projects. See #gsoc-python and http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode |
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| 19:49.34 | rwatson | !vinc456 |
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| 19:49.45 | rwatson | indeed. :-) |
| 19:51.07 | kitallis | puchuu, sorry |
| 19:51.22 | kitallis | sid0_, sorry kicked you from gsoc-in |
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| 19:52.06 | kitallis | lolo |
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| 19:53.14 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
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| 20:02.41 | omniter | okay guys i've decided... i'm switching to linux! |
| 20:02.52 | omniter | what's the most popular linux distro? |
| 20:03.02 | joeyadams | Ubuntu, I'd imagine |
| 20:03.14 | joeyadams | what do you want to do with Linux? Any specific goals? |
| 20:03.24 | kitallis | acrhlinux! |
| 20:03.42 | omniter | joeyadams, it seems more friendly. i am so sick of the shit that windows pulls on me |
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| 20:04.17 | omniter | linux seems... clean. like a fresh start. i need it. |
| 20:04.22 | Ivanovic | omniter: and you have no even seen how much a possible new contributor of us was swearing lately when trying to compile wesnoth usinv msvc |
| 20:04.24 | joeyadams | Ubuntu is popular, has a fast package manager, and plenty of packages. Fedora has a slow package manager and maybe fewer packages, but it keeps its software up-to-date much better than Ubuntu does |
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| 20:04.41 | tft | I slept while my mentor asked for more detail :( working on it now :) |
| 20:04.59 | omniter | hmm... |
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| 20:05.11 | rwatson | omniter: if your goal is simply !windows, you could give pc-bsd/freebsd a try. :-) |
| 20:05.15 | Ivanovic | tft: in general when comments are requested it is not needed to answer withhin the minuite |
| 20:05.41 | omniter | rwatson, i don't know much about that. what is it? |
| 20:05.45 | ninadsp | joeyadams: thats because fedora is more bleeding edge on a lot of things... |
| 20:06.05 | rwatson | omniter: but I guess "any specific goals" is a good question -- if your goal is to be able to exchange word files with change tracking with people who send them and expect them back, then you might find !windows won't do it. |
| 20:06.38 | Murmuria | omniter, or consider Gentoo, which has the largest repositories, as bleeding edge as you can get, and the best package manager among the distros |
| 20:06.48 | rwatson | omniter: there are a number of !windows operating systems out there; pc-bsd is a desktop-centric distribution of the freebsd operating system |
| 20:07.05 | omniter | wahhh... so confusing... so many options :s |
| 20:07.07 | joeyadams | Ubuntu's easiest to install from my experience ;) |
| 20:07.18 | rwatson | omniter: (and freebsd is a berkeley unix-derived open source operating system) |
| 20:07.23 | Murmuria | omniter, welcome to the world ofOpen Source |
| 20:07.27 | rwatson | omniter: back to those annoying "goals" again. :-) |
| 20:07.33 | nsquare | hello guys :) |
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| 20:07.50 | ninadsp | joeyadams: thats because fedora is more bleeding edge on a lot of things... |
| 20:07.57 | omniter | my goal... well i want a distro with which i can completely give up on windows |
| 20:08.11 | tft | yeah it is going to take a while anyway, actually I have do a lot :) @ivanovic |
| 20:08.12 | omniter | i seriously don't wanna touch it again except maybe to test my applications |
| 20:08.16 | rwatson | omniter: so, what do you do with windows that you still need to be able to do when using !windows |
| 20:08.18 | joeyadams | ninadsp> Right. |
| 20:08.19 | Murmuria | omniter, then get a Mac |
| 20:08.27 | omniter | Murmuria, i hate mac too |
| 20:08.28 | ninadsp | omniter: there are many that will fulfil that job! :) |
| 20:08.32 | desrt | omniter: get freebsd |
| 20:08.35 | joeyadams | I'm sure different people have had different experiences, but I've found bleeding edge to be better for me |
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| 20:08.43 | joeyadams | "stable" to me means "bugs stay around for ages" |
| 20:09.03 | Murmuria | and Gentoo is the as bleeding edge as you can get |
| 20:09.06 | rwatson | for completeness: get opensolaris, netbsd, openbsd... :-) |
| 20:09.06 | omniter | how would i play windows games on linux? is it possible? |
| 20:09.14 | desrt | rwatson: :) |
| 20:09.16 | joeyadams | For instance, Debian Etch didn't update youtube-dl after youtube changed its format, making that version useless |
| 20:09.19 | desrt | omniter: wine often works |
| 20:09.28 | Ivanovic | likes rolling release distros |
| 20:09.30 | omniter | oh right... wine... that linux windows thingy |
| 20:09.37 | rwatson | omniter: uh oh, a *requirement*. :-) there are windows execution environments for most non-windows systems, such as wine (and there's a commercial version of some sort) |
| 20:09.48 | Ivanovic | that is: i am using gentoo myself since i got no problem with the packages being built on my machine |
| 20:09.51 | desrt | rwatson: at least two commercial versions, in fact |
| 20:09.57 | joeyadams | omniter> The short answer is, you can't play modern games on Linux :( |
| 20:09.59 | rwatson | omniter: wine works on most unix-like systems, I believe, not just linux. |
| 20:09.59 | Ivanovic | if i wanted to use a binary distro, i would probably use archlinux |
| 20:10.10 | omniter | joeyadams, damn... |
| 20:10.12 | rwatson | unsure if there is wine for mac os x |
| 20:10.14 | joeyadams | however, I'm personally annoyed by the gaming industry today |
| 20:10.15 | desrt | rwatson: codeweavers have crossover office and transgaming have their cedega gaming-oriented one |
| 20:10.26 | p_l | rwatson: there is, afaik |
| 20:10.31 | joeyadams | Why do games have to be large-scale and super-organized? |
| 20:10.33 | Ivanovic | joeyadams: wrong |
| 20:10.39 | Ivanovic | wesnoth runs without problem on linux! |
| 20:10.41 | summatusmentis | rwatson: there is |
| 20:10.42 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 20:10.46 | Murmuria | rwatson, there is CrossOver for Mac |
| 20:10.52 | Murmuria | and works great |
| 20:11.00 | joeyadams | Why can't people just write simple games and sell them for decent money anymore? |
| 20:11.01 | omniter | joeyadams, i agree. nintendo seems to be the only company to have kept the old approach, to a certain degree |
| 20:11.02 | summatusmentis | wine for mac is in macports, and probably fink also |
| 20:11.09 | rwatson | omniter: and there's always windows under a VM/emulation, such as using vmware/kqmu/parallels/... |
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| 20:11.26 | joeyadams | Perhaps I should try to start a small, open-source games community |
| 20:11.43 | p_l | joeyadams: they can (well, minus that "simple" part) look for "Sins of Solar Empire" |
| 20:11.50 | rwatson | the only computer game I play is kernel hacking, the ultimate text adventure, and that seems to work better on !windows. |
| 20:12.01 | joeyadams | hehe |
| 20:12.05 | Ivanovic | joeyadams: there are lots of open source games out there |
| 20:12.09 | desrt | rwatson: i've played that game. i found it a little too frustrating. |
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| 20:12.20 | joeyadams | I know. I just don't know of a good community to bring them together |
| 20:12.25 | rwatson | desrt: no, it's cool -- always more levels... |
| 20:12.31 | joeyadams | other than, say, KDE ;) |
| 20:12.37 | p_l | rwatson: on windows without MSDN access it's known as mystery game |
| 20:12.37 | Murmuria | BzFlag is an awesome game |
| 20:12.44 | desrt | rwatson: but it always seems to want me to reboot my computer |
| 20:12.48 | desrt | rwatson: other games don't want that |
| 20:13.08 | p_l | desrt: because you should do it on a simulator for an unforgiving architecture |
| 20:13.10 | omniter | waht's the difference between "general purpose" distro and "desktop" |
| 20:13.19 | summatusmentis | the focus |
| 20:13.24 | p_l | omniter: the first one sucks less? ;-) |
| 20:13.27 | p_l | ducks |
| 20:13.32 | omniter | hehe |
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| 20:14.04 | rwatson | omniter: depending on your tolerance for a crash course in unix system administration, you might find desktop-centric distributions more accessible |
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| 20:14.52 | omniter | i am a total noob to linux |
| 20:15.00 | p_l | rwatson: I found that crash course might have better effects in the end. Though I haven't tried mandrake lately, it was remarkable for keeping normal "generic" distro under the hood while giving you nice configurators |
| 20:15.04 | omniter | i don't plan to "administrate" anything really =\ |
| 20:15.26 | joeyadams | Well, there's local things you might want to administer |
| 20:15.41 | joeyadams | such as keeping your desktop and laptop (if you have/plan to get one) in sync |
| 20:15.44 | rwatson | omniter: so, any other things you do under windows that you might miss? |
| 20:15.52 | joeyadams | pen drives are obsolete for me |
| 20:16.01 | joeyadams | I use SSH for that sort of thing |
| 20:16.01 | p_l | is thinking of building his own distro due to being angry at most of them |
| 20:16.12 | omniter | rwatson, the speed of direct3d vs. opengl? lol |
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| 20:16.19 | omniter | on my computer d3d is faster |
| 20:16.46 | rwatson | omniter: it's true that one nice benefit of running !windows is that you get to deal with graphics driver hell for 3d for some hardware. :-) |
| 20:16.50 | ninadsp | joeyadams: you mean sshfs? |
| 20:16.56 | p_l | omniter: do you per chance use NT6? |
| 20:17.03 | omniter | what's NT6? |
| 20:17.08 | p_l | Vista and later |
| 20:17.11 | omniter | ah yeah |
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| 20:17.43 | kitallis | http://bhytheunluckyass.scrapcrap.org/ |
| 20:17.49 | joeyadams | ninadsp> Well, I used to use scp most of the time |
| 20:17.51 | p_l | Vista has slower OGL due to various architectural reasons, not because the *API* is slower |
| 20:18.01 | omniter | ah |
| 20:18.09 | joeyadams | I've played with sshfs and it works fine, but it's not really the solution for syncing at once |
| 20:18.20 | omniter | how do you build stuff on linux anyway... |
| 20:18.21 | joeyadams | so I use svn |
| 20:18.24 | joeyadams | svn+ssh |
| 20:18.25 | p_l | also in case of OGL it depends on your drivers, as it's their library that gets used |
| 20:18.27 | omniter | i usually use VS |
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| 20:18.29 | joeyadams | though git would probably be faster |
| 20:18.37 | ninadsp | joeyadams: yeah... for syncing, scp is better :) |
| 20:18.42 | p_l | omniter: try looking under the hood of VS, you'll find the same thing :D |
| 20:18.56 | joeyadams | but scp is good for small things. It's nice to just be able to do: |
| 20:18.57 | omniter | i always got the impression linux people use the command prompt a lot. |
| 20:19.00 | joeyadams | cd svn ; svn commit -m nr |
| 20:19.04 | omniter | p_l, that i know |
| 20:19.15 | joeyadams | nr is my message because I don't care about SVN messages for my private uses :) |
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| 20:19.32 | p_l | omniter: cause CLI is the best thing a programmer can have (as well as administrators - that's why MS is working on better CLI for Windows) |
| 20:19.53 | rwatson | omniter: so, as an avowed mac hater, have you noticed that it has a UNIX-like kernel, complete UNIX userspace, development tools, open source parts, etc? |
| 20:19.56 | joeyadams | Well, they won't get far unless they can fix their directory slash... |
| 20:20.20 | omniter | rwatson, i just find mac clunky lol |
| 20:20.31 | omniter | i hate everything apple actually |
| 20:20.58 | joeyadams | Well, one annoying thing is they don't do well with backward-compatibility |
| 20:21.36 | joeyadams | I tried a thought experiment asking: What if, instead of running software 7 years older than my eMac (Fedora 10), I run software 7 years younger than it? |
| 20:21.45 | joeyadams | I can't because that'd be System 7.5 or so |
| 20:22.12 | joeyadams | the minimum OS for this thing is Mac OS 9, and it has terrible hardware support for it |
| 20:22.53 | joeyadams | though that really wouldn't work with many other OSes either |
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| 20:23.05 | joeyadams | my similarly-aged PC can't even boot Windows 98 |
| 20:23.08 | rwatson | joeyadams: hmm. I'm not able to boot 10+ year old versions of linux/freebsd/etc on modern systems |
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| 20:23.15 | joeyadams | right |
| 20:23.20 | rwatson | joeyadams: due to the acpi requirement |
| 20:23.32 | joeyadams | ACPI _requirement_? |
| 20:23.37 | joeyadams | Why can't you just not use ACPI? |
| 20:23.43 | rwatson | joeyadams: tried to use modern server hardware without OS ACPI support? |
| 20:23.46 | joeyadams | (you'd lose suspend, etc, of course) |
| 20:24.00 | rwatson | joeyadams: you can't even probe multiple CPUs on quite a bit of it |
| 20:24.05 | joeyadams | oh :( |
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| 20:24.15 | rwatson | joeyadams: or properly enumerate pci busses on quite a bit |
| 20:24.24 | p_l | rwatson: it also has the UNIX part as a strapon on bastardised OSF and puts a complete weirdo known as IOKit requiring kernel mode C++ runtime and is clunky in many ways? :P |
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| 20:25.02 | p_l | really doesn't hate OS X itself, but got sick of Apple propaganda |
| 20:25.07 | rwatson | p_l: just saying, the spectrum for "not windows" is broad and quite a bit more interesting than one might expect |
| 20:25.30 | rwatson | p_l: the kernel c++ runtime doesn't include a lot of weird stuff, such as the dynamic typing parts, etc. |
| 20:26.25 | anothy_x | plan 9 doesn't have acpi. we run on modern server hardware. |
| 20:26.34 | p_l | rwatson: Well, I can preach about !windows universe to many. Having retrocomputing as one of my hobbies makes for interesting stuff :) |
| 20:26.34 | anothy_x | acpi would be nice, but it's not a requirement. |
| 20:26.57 | rwatson | anothy_x: how do you deal with broken mptable stuff? a fair number of boxes I see now nominally support that, but all the details provided by the bios are wrong because it's never tested :-) |
| 20:27.18 | anothy_x | buy hardware from better vendors. ;-) |
| 20:27.20 | p_l | rwatson: I guess because server hw might actually check it... |
| 20:28.05 | p_l | is slowly working on his own architecture to play with |
| 20:28.07 | rwatson | anothy_x: ah, the mythical world of better vendors... :-) |
| 20:28.09 | anothy_x | that's half-serious, actually. some vendors have also been reasonable about fixing problems like that when pointed out (although it often goes bad again in the next firmware release) |
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| 20:28.48 | p_l | anothy_x: and some vendors quite possibly might unload a shi^Whailstorm on firmware vendor when pointed out certain bugs :) |
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| 20:29.27 | anothy_x | i agree the MP stuff is getting worse. it's a shame. the *right* answer is that vendors shouldn't be shipping wrong information, but the right answer isn't always the most practical one. |
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| 20:30.24 | p_l | like what sometimes makes me think of intended sabotage, how many laptop BIOSes for AMD machines had certain features disabled... the ones that meant most during laptop market battle during early days of Core2 |
| 20:30.35 | anothy_x | we'll probably need acpi eventually (it was on our ideas page, but we got no takers, unsurprisingly), but we still get along very well without it in most cases. |
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| 20:31.17 | rwatson | anothy_x: it certainly makes life more complicated... |
| 20:31.43 | anothy_x | yup. :-( |
| 20:31.45 | smtms | anothy_x, do you need ACPI for correct interrupt routing only? or for suspend/resume? |
| 20:31.48 | rwatson | anothy_x: but there are a lot of advantages to being a latecomer to the acpi game |
| 20:31.59 | p_l | now if only ACPI had proper data in it... (even if it's parsed correctly, it might *lie* about hw. Like my old laptop did) |
| 20:32.30 | rwatson | anothy_x: not least that server vendors test systems using intel's acpi as well as microsoft's now. :-) |
| 20:32.53 | smtms | rwatson, really? that's progress! |
| 20:33.21 | rwatson | unclear if constructs like "if os == windows 95 {do something funky} else if os == windows 98 {do something else funky} ..." have disappeared from bios bits yet. |
| 20:33.27 | anothy_x | yeah, i'm glad we skipped the early stages. it's still a rather intimidating spec, though. |
| 20:33.30 | p_l | rwatson: you still need to edit acpi tables by hand sometimes (my 2yo laptop would get a lot of help from that) |
| 20:33.59 | p_l | rwatson: they are still there, usually in form of "if os == win9x {oh shit DOS is there}" |
| 20:34.07 | p_l | ;-) |
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| 20:36.08 | p_l | decoded his BIOS acpi tables to find out horrible things that made him think of various stuff that might be considered sabotage |
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| 20:37.56 | p_l | I just can't understand why people who coded it disabled all C-states on multicore CPUs. *ALL* |
| 20:38.03 | p_l | in a *laptop* |
| 20:40.19 | smtms | p_l, may be some bug in some versions of Windows? ;-) |
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| 20:41.37 | p_l | smtms: nope, windows versions that would be bugged by it would have problems starting on such hw anyway |
| 20:42.06 | p_l | Win98 on ccNUMA with 1.5G of RAM is not a good idea ;-) |
| 20:43.35 | smtms | p_l, you didn't consider it may be a bug you don't know about? |
| 20:43.41 | smtms | it may be even CPU bug |
| 20:44.05 | p_l | smtms: imagine AMD's reaction when they heard of similar problems in various BIOSes |
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| 20:44.44 | p_l | I heard the engineers went "WTF!?" when some guy called AMD and got all the way to engineering :D |
| 20:45.42 | p_l | I even read the documentation for my CPU - it states clearly how C-state entries should be written |
| 20:45.48 | smtms | p_l, you sound like you understand all this low-level stuff |
| 20:45.59 | p_l | the only part that would be hard is C1E and C3, which require BIOS to execute some code in SMM |
| 20:46.13 | p_l | smtms: I got curious and read the docs |
| 20:46.37 | p_l | cpu docs are surprisingly easy to read |
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| 20:48.17 | p_l | (compared to what I expected, anyway) |
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| 20:48.41 | p_l | I also understand enough not to go that low-level at the moment, not with my laptops :) |
| 20:48.54 | ameyp | !next |
| 20:48.54 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 20:48.56 | bobbens | ugh I don't like intel documentation |
| 20:49.01 | bobbens | but I've only read the PID specs |
| 20:49.05 | m_ | How many students have applied for GSoC this year ? |
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| 20:49.36 | bobbens | m_: ~3500 |
| 20:49.37 | smtms | bobbens, PID? |
| 20:49.38 | p_l | bobbens: AMD references for K8/K10 models were rather easy to read, but those were only model release notes, so well |
| 20:49.45 | p_l | !numapps |
| 20:49.45 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 20:49.52 | bobbens | smtms: physical interface device - force feedback "standard" for usb |
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| 20:50.36 | bobbens | p_l: I like the atmel microcontroller docs :) |
| 20:50.39 | bobbens | but i'm used to them |
| 20:50.56 | p_l | hates USB for anything that is supposed to be hispeed |
| 20:51.14 | smtms | p_l, hispeed is USB 1.1 speed, right? |
| 20:51.34 | p_l | smtms: I meant in general meaning of the term :) |
| 20:51.49 | p_l | I found usb storage to be a joke compared to SBP2 |
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| 20:52.38 | p_l | that's why hw that I'm selecting always has firewire in case of laptops |
| 20:53.41 | bobbens | few devices are firewire |
| 20:53.49 | bobbens | usb is dominating in most areas |
| 20:53.50 | spectie | yeah :( |
| 20:53.53 | bobbens | it isn't *that* bad |
| 20:54.00 | bobbens | I connected a board I made with a short circuit |
| 20:54.02 | p_l | bobbens: unfortunately, getting SATA-Firewire bridge is hard >_< |
| 20:54.03 | spectie | no |
| 20:54.04 | bobbens | it didn't fry my laptop :P |
| 20:54.06 | spectie | i mean, USB is cool |
| 20:54.14 | spectie | it's just a shame that my mac has a firewire port |
| 20:54.16 | bobbens | dmesg said stuff about overcurrent :P |
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| 20:54.17 | spectie | instead of all USB |
| 20:54.18 | spectie | :P |
| 20:54.28 | p_l | spectie: flame? :> |
| 20:54.32 | spectie | hah |
| 20:54.33 | spectie | :D |
| 20:54.51 | smtms | p_l, you tried FireWire kernel debugging? |
| 20:54.52 | spectie | crawls back in his hole |
| 20:55.21 | bobbens | spectie: seeing the competition my applications are getting, I regret not applying to apertium :) |
| 20:55.30 | spectie | :) |
| 20:55.32 | bobbens | my catalan/spanish would have given me an edge there |
| 20:55.36 | spectie | clar |
| 20:55.44 | p_l | smtms: nope, but I mostly used firewire for SBP2. Compared to USB2.0 storage, its like comparing PIO IDE to FiberChannel |
| 20:56.10 | spectie | bobbens, we had a lot of good applications though |
| 20:56.16 | p_l | with firewire being fiberchannel :D |
| 20:56.24 | bobbens | spectie: yeah, damn recession |
| 20:56.24 | spectie | going to have problems choosing/ranking |
| 20:56.36 | bobbens | all the bloody phd students are making sure I don't go anywhere :P |
| 20:56.37 | spectie | bobbens, although 1) none from catalunya, 2) none from euskadi |
| 20:56.38 | spectie | :( |
| 20:56.47 | bobbens | I mean I try to apply to some facial recognition stuff |
| 20:56.56 | bobbens | and there's 4 phd with master thesis on facial recognition also applying |
| 20:57.01 | spectie | :/ |
| 20:57.09 | p_l | lol |
| 20:57.32 | bobbens | I've completely given up on that one |
| 20:57.37 | bobbens | my hope is in my other one |
| 20:57.41 | bobbens | which is "boring but necessary" work |
| 20:57.43 | spectie | bobbens, i've been quite disappointed for the spanish reception we've got |
| 20:57.44 | pygi | spectie, :P |
| 20:57.46 | bobbens | so I hope no one else applies |
| 20:58.09 | pygi | spectie, was just looking for you! |
| 20:58.11 | pygi | you have time? |
| 20:58.13 | spectie | pygi, sure |
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| 20:58.34 | spectie | drinking a beer, postedition an automatically generated welsh--irish dictionary, listening to basque rock |
| 20:58.37 | spectie | i always have time |
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| 21:04.16 | p_l | wow, coreboot supports ASUS P2B motherboards! I might get to clean up my old desktop :D |
| 21:05.32 | bobbens | p_l: what about P5B? :) |
| 21:06.26 | smtms | p_l, clean up? |
| 21:06.37 | p_l | bobbens: I only have P2B-LS with a cpu that was never officially supported on it :D |
| 21:06.56 | p_l | but having an Ultra2 SCSI controller is nice :) |
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| 21:08.07 | p_l | if I got better ram modules and a working cpu temp. sensor I might overclock this baby |
| 21:08.22 | rwatson | lh: ping |
| 21:09.20 | p_l | smtms: it's in storage and no one bothered putting covers on the box |
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| 21:10.15 | p_l | I'd need 4x256MB PC133 modules... and one of those rare Tualatin Celeron-2 with 13 multiplier wouldn't hurt ;-) |
| 21:11.10 | omniter | currently downloading ubuntu desktop edition :D |
| 21:11.13 | p_l | if there was a way to reliably run it @150MHz FSB I'd have ended with a rare 2GHz Pentium III ;-) |
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| 21:11.13 | omniter | w00t |
| 21:11.46 | tft | I am getting fedora 10 :D |
| 21:11.51 | p_l | (which, at the time I got it, would kick ass of most Pentium 4's in area, and that was before Core1) |
| 21:13.41 | omniter | tft, what made you choose fedora |
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| 21:14.36 | tft | My univ has rhel for a *linux* distro to teach :/ |
| 21:15.11 | omniter | what's rhel |
| 21:15.18 | t0ms | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.27 | omniter | ah |
| 21:15.53 | rwatson | lh: un-ping, turns out the student pinging asking where their proposal had disappeared to isn't one of ours, so he'll probably turn up here or in e-mail looking for you |
| 21:15.57 | tft | so logically fedora was the way to go.although i already have dibian running on a vm. |
| 21:16.18 | tft | *debian |
| 21:16.25 | t0ms | tft: fedora is "testing" version of rhel |
| 21:16.35 | tft | yeah :D |
| 21:16.41 | t0ms | better use centos |
| 21:16.47 | omniter | what exactly is debian... |
| 21:17.00 | t0ms | community linux? |
| 21:17.08 | tft | yeah I am waiting for the 5th version of it to be out :) |
| 21:17.42 | t0ms | centos 5 was released like a year ago :) |
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| 21:20.25 | ninadsp | good night everyone... its 3 am where i am... :) |
| 21:20.31 | omniter | night |
| 21:20.55 | lokesh | Hi , |
| 21:20.57 | lokesh | every one |
| 21:21.03 | omniter | hi |
| 21:21.05 | lokesh | can any one solve my problem |
| 21:21.20 | omniter | first tell us your problem -_- |
| 21:21.54 | rajan | ninadsp: you in India? |
| 21:22.00 | lokesh | I am student , i applied fro GSoC yesterday 2 hours before dead line |
| 21:22.05 | lokesh | y a i am from india |
| 21:22.33 | rajan | lokesh:so,what happened ? |
| 21:22.39 | rajan | *so |
| 21:22.55 | lokesh | the proposal which i hav sent is in my proposal list till after noon ,but after that it is invisible |
| 21:23.02 | tft | actually 5.3 to be precise :P |
| 21:23.20 | lokesh | can u find the reason why it happened like that |
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| 21:23.41 | lokesh | hi omniter |
| 21:23.45 | omniter | someone else had that problem. it was fixed, but i don't remember how |
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| 21:24.07 | omniter | he didn't do anything though |
| 21:24.13 | omniter | he just waited |
| 21:24.17 | lokesh | any organizers of gsoc are here? |
| 21:24.23 | lokesh | any organizers ? |
| 21:24.31 | omniter | yeah, everybody with @ in front of their names |
| 21:24.43 | omniter | actually some of them are developers |
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| 21:25.04 | omniter | lh, SRabbelier, kblin? any ideas? |
| 21:25.09 | Murmuria | lokesh, your question should go to lh |
| 21:25.11 | dhaun | wasn't this disussed on the mailing list? proposals disappear for the students when marked as ineligible - which is a bug that wil be fixed |
| 21:25.12 | lokesh | but i didnt find any with '@' in front of their names |
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| 21:25.24 | t0ms | tft: yeah, but the differences are really small... no major features added, only bug fixes |
| 21:25.24 | SRabbelier | omniter: mhhhh? |
| 21:25.27 | SRabbelier | omniter: what did I miss? |
| 21:25.30 | tft | I dont want to discourage you but I read somewhere in the mailing list that if it disappears then possibly you are marked ineligible ... |
| 21:25.32 | rajan | lokesh: or a star ( if you are on mibbit.com ) |
| 21:25.40 | omniter | SRabbelier, oh nothing, big guy. go back to sleep. |
| 21:25.49 | SRabbelier | omniter: lol :P |
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| 21:26.17 | SRabbelier | lokesh: it probably got marked as inellegible |
| 21:26.29 | tft | oh :( seems like this is the fact |
| 21:26.50 | omniter | but yesterday someone else had that problem and it reappeared later. :S |
| 21:26.52 | SRabbelier | working on adding a separate list with inellegible proposals |
| 21:26.59 | SRabbelier | omniter: it was probably made ellegible ;) |
| 21:27.03 | omniter | o |
| 21:27.22 | omniter | 2:45 remaining in ubuntu download :d |
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| 21:28.15 | hypa7ia | woot woot |
| 21:28.19 | tft | my net is a turtle : 24 hours remaining :/ |
| 21:28.35 | hypa7ia | we're setting up a local apt mirror :) |
| 21:28.56 | omniter | tft, your net is a turtle on depressants |
| 21:29.08 | lokesh | Is that eligibility is the reason why my proposal is missed |
| 21:29.12 | lokesh | ? |
| 21:29.28 | omniter | lokesh, it seems so. |
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| 21:29.40 | tft | that's nice I thought of setting up myself , but I need a better connection and a new drive :P ... |
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| 21:30.29 | omniter | tft, i downloaded wubi.exe |
| 21:30.40 | omniter | it's a windows installer for ubuntu :) |
| 21:30.42 | omniter | pretty cool |
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| 21:30.55 | tft | yah depressants :P If I get 15 kb or more I think it is actually going somewhere when peers get in mb's |
| 21:31.35 | tft | last time I checked ubuntu was 7.04 :P since then it is like i am away from it :P |
| 21:32.01 | p_l | tft: 15 kB/s? that's fast |
| 21:32.12 | tft | someone said use Slackware or Gentoo :P ubuntu is not linux :D |
| 21:32.29 | t0ms | Gentoo is good for long winter nights ;) |
| 21:32.31 | SRabbelier | tft: pfff :P |
| 21:32.33 | tft | yeah it is fast *sigh * |
| 21:32.43 | omniter | wait what :S |
| 21:32.47 | SRabbelier | tft: Ubuntu is nice, it has a cute VM image I can download and run on my windows box :P |
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| 21:32.59 | omniter | vm image?! |
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| 21:33.01 | SRabbelier | tft: Debian on my laptop; Slackware is too hardcore |
| 21:33.04 | omniter | what vm image |
| 21:33.05 | omniter | i want it! |
| 21:33.08 | tft | yeah so it seems :) |
| 21:33.17 | SRabbelier | omniter: just google for "ubuntu vmware image" :P |
| 21:33.36 | t0ms | omniter: http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/ |
| 21:33.59 | omniter | ew those are old |
| 21:34.06 | omniter | and stale |
| 21:34.16 | p_l | tft: try sitting on 48 kbit link. Which has those 48kbits when the weather is very clear :) |
| 21:34.18 | omniter | and taste like ass |
| 21:34.26 | SRabbelier | omniter: mystery solved, lokesh' proposal was indeed marked as inellegible |
| 21:34.52 | omniter | ineligible, even. ah crap. that's sad. =\ |
| 21:34.53 | tft | I tried slax though :P Debian is in my virtualbox , I gotta figure out how to make an ISO from it :( I need to move it to a separate partition , I am not sure when this windows will crash |
| 21:35.10 | omniter | if only he applied a day earlier |
| 21:35.46 | smtms | omniter, what would be different if he applied a day earlier? |
| 21:36.02 | t0ms | maybe a stupid question, but how can be a proposal marked as inellegible? |
| 21:36.13 | murph | t0ms, mentors can do that. |
| 21:36.13 | gpolo | spam for instance |
| 21:36.27 | murph | or a project unrelated to the project |
| 21:36.30 | SRabbelier | t0ms: the org mentor or admin hits the button? |
| 21:36.46 | murph | or one that obviously demonstrate they're inellegible ("I'm not in school anymore, but ...") |
| 21:36.52 | tft | My ISP caps the download rates at 15. I am thinking to get a 2 Mbit one but that whole application thing is lengthy and I am lazy :P |
| 21:36.53 | SRabbelier | not only spam/unrelated, but also proposals that do not meet the project's requirements |
| 21:37.02 | SRabbelier | (e.g., the org has a template, and the student doesn't use the template) |
| 21:37.21 | t0ms | SRabbelier: that's what I was asking :) (I know mentors/admins are marking them...) thanks |
| 21:37.28 | t0ms | for what* |
| 21:37.29 | SRabbelier | t0ms: np :) |
| 21:37.29 | omniter | smtms, if he applied earlier, he might've been able to do something about it. |
| 21:37.35 | omniter | maybe he did something wrong |
| 21:39.26 | tft | I have to give a mock GUI I have no idea I shod use the actual tool kit or use that * paper layouts * :D took kit means there is less scope for further revision, but it also mens I put in more time to make it look how actually I want it |
| 21:40.17 | t0ms | tft: where are you from? |
| 21:40.34 | tft | India :) |
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| 21:43.22 | omniter | yay. rebooting to install linux :D |
| 21:43.41 | rwatson | waits for omniter to reappear and have lost all his data. :-) |
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| 21:44.33 | p_l | lol |
| 21:44.38 | p_l | did he get Ubuntu? |
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| 21:45.28 | p_l | me and my friends' ubuntu installations always had some bad stuff happen xD |
| 21:45.45 | SRabbelier | p_l: that's bill's curse :p |
| 21:46.38 | p_l | SRabbelier: conversely, Windows NT6.1 early beta using mismatched installer etc. installed perfectly and so fast I had problems believing it |
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| 21:48.31 | SRabbelier | p_l: amazing :) |
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| 21:49.19 | ajuonline | .o/ |
| 21:49.46 | p_l | SRabbelier: I was surprised the installer didn't have problems :D |
| 21:50.20 | SRabbelier | p_l: who wouldn't be :P |
| 21:50.25 | p_l | Now if only my cpu had VT-x I might have checked 64bit mode as well as Win2k8r2 |
| 21:50.49 | p_l | SRabbelier: lets say this one had more than normal share of things that *could* have gone wrong :P |
| 21:51.39 | SRabbelier | p_l: those are the most fun ones :P |
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| 21:52.52 | olegfink | p_l: in my experience, 2008r2 beta was about as buggy and unfriendly as any typical linux from around 2005. |
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| 21:53.09 | p_l | olegfink: hmmm... i.e. not at all? |
| 21:53.41 | p_l | cool, gonna put it on my old laptop :D |
| 21:53.49 | olegfink | happy you. I couldn't get it to do anything I needed. |
| 21:54.10 | p_l | well, Windows Server is always picky about drivers |
| 21:54.12 | monsieurp | hey ppl |
| 21:54.13 | olegfink | 2003r2 is so much more usable. |
| 21:54.18 | SRabbelier | olegfink: I was running Linux on my Desktop back in 2005, Fedora Core ftw |
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| 21:54.32 | monsieurp | I have a question regarding ssh |
| 21:54.35 | SRabbelier | (I think I started using Linux around the time of FC3, maybe FC4) |
| 21:54.43 | SRabbelier | monsieurp: wrong channel |
| 21:54.53 | SRabbelier | monsieurp: try #ssh :P |
| 21:54.54 | olegfink | the latter included all the drivers for my laptop(!), which xp didn't. |
| 21:54.57 | p_l | is running linux since 2000, and by 2005 switched completely |
| 21:55.04 | olegfink | yes, this is the channel for distro wars. |
| 21:55.09 | t0ms | ;-) |
| 21:55.09 | monsieurp | :( |
| 21:55.20 | p_l | olegfink: of course, since XP should die a slow and horrible death for being grossly outdated |
| 21:55.29 | monsieurp | I'm going to ask my question here anyway |
| 21:55.41 | olegfink | my laptop is from 2001. |
| 21:55.56 | p_l | I pity Microsoft, though. No matter what they do, they are going to be flamed |
| 21:55.58 | olegfink | SRabbelier, I started with RH9. wasn't all that shiny and friendly. |
| 21:56.13 | SRabbelier | olegfink: ouch! that's diehard :P |
| 21:56.17 | ninadsp | olegfink: tried puppy linux or damn small linux? |
| 21:56.28 | SRabbelier | p_l: pffsth, I'm still running XP here, be nice :P |
| 21:56.38 | olegfink | nice little stuff, but I have no use for it. |
| 21:56.38 | SRabbelier | ninadsp: android? :P |
| 21:56.52 | t0ms | olegfink: I started with RH8 :) when I was 12 :D |
| 21:57.02 | ninadsp | SRabbelier: kubuntu user! |
| 21:57.06 | rwatson | seems to recall installing redhat 6 on a box and watching it be rooted within 30 minutes of finishing the install. :-) |
| 21:57.11 | olegfink | heh. |
| 21:57.39 | t0ms | olegfink: best game ever, it took me almost a month to connect to the internet using dial-up :)) |
| 21:57.42 | p_l | started with Mandrake 6.1, aka RH6 recompiled for i686 |
| 21:58.01 | SRabbelier | t0ms: lol, awesome :P |
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| 21:58.27 | t0ms | rwatson: do you have RH6 iso ? |
| 21:58.43 | olegfink | t0ms: I didn't have any internet connection at the time. then I got a winmodem. :-) |
| 21:58.46 | p_l | btw, the funny thing with XP - the only real network configuration tool is CLI only |
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| 21:59.39 | ninadsp | interesting how the conversation has moved to linux from gsoc! |
| 21:59.41 | ninadsp | :P |
| 21:59.51 | rwatson | t0ms: not anymore, I don't think. that was ~1998 or so, I think? |
| 22:00.02 | SRabbelier | p_l: ipconfig ftw! |
| 22:00.03 | t0ms | 99 according to wiki |
| 22:00.08 | p_l | rwatson: late 1999/early 2000 |
| 22:00.17 | t0ms | # 6.0 (Hedwig), April 26, 1999 (Linux 2.2.5-15) |
| 22:00.24 | rwatson | t0ms: maybe I'm thinking of redhat 5 then. whichever was the one that shipped with uw-imapd enabled by default. :-) |
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| 22:01.55 | t0ms | Sunday! good night :) |
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| 22:04.16 | p_l | you know, lately I find myself longing for those old days |
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| 22:05.22 | ochot | t0ms: heh...another one from Slovakia here? Didn't notice up until now |
| 22:05.49 | p_l | where there was no HAL, no D-Bus, no PulseAudio and X11 built without requiring autotools |
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| 22:08.35 | olegfink | p_l, that's sort of why some people use plan9? :-) |
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| 22:10.34 | p_l | olegfink: no, it's just cause HAL makes me want to slaughter |
| 22:12.11 | murph | i remember before HAL |
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| 22:12.15 | murph | when i had to mount things myself |
| 22:12.18 | murph | and manage my input devices |
| 22:12.21 | murph | ... that sucked. |
| 22:12.23 | murph | :P |
| 22:12.37 | olegfink | mknod! :-) |
| 22:13.20 | murph | I mean, i've used linux the majority of my life. Never was a problem for me. |
| 22:13.22 | p_l | murph: suddenly finding yourself without working input on a laptop is not funny |
| 22:13.34 | murph | p_l, indeed. |
| 22:14.00 | murph | however, my computer is used by my friends/gf all the time. And it saves me much effort having things just work for them. |
| 22:14.23 | murph | p_l, input at all? or just mouse or just keyboard? |
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| 22:16.15 | p_l | murph: I mean I had no input under X11. Because someone decided that HAL is a core element of an unix system |
| 22:17.59 | p_l | and my config "just works" for me. If I want USB automount, I'll do that through udev. |
| 22:18.36 | Ori_B | p_l: well, the old stuff is still there. |
| 22:19.10 | Ori_B | if you want to be able to hotplug devices, though, you'll need HAL. |
| 22:19.25 | p_l | Ori_B: Name one device that *really* needs HAL |
| 22:20.38 | murph | any one you don't want to configure manually? |
| 22:21.15 | p_l | murph: I have yet to find anything that HAL configured for me which wasn't done by autoconf in kernel or by udev |
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| 22:23.48 | murph | p_l, things like hotplugging a mp3 player that uses MTP to trasfer music |
| 22:24.27 | p_l | murph: that doesn't need all the machinery of HAL. AFAIK Fedora devs agree with me, though I don't find DeviceKit all that nice |
| 22:24.51 | p_l | has a certain, strong aversion towards stuff with names that end with 'Kit" |
| 22:25.49 | murph | perhaps it doesn't need it all, but it doesn't work without it (I haven't tried devicekit yet). |
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| 22:28.07 | makmanalp | p_l: packagekit, policykit! |
| 22:28.19 | p_l | murph: Since linux doesn't want to move beyond old 1970s DAC system, we can't simply mount a fileserver in private namespace to handle that MTP device. This means that actual work on the device is done by application calling some libs which probably call libusb which in turn speaks directly to usb subsystem. |
| 22:30.30 | p_l | in either case, all we really need from a HAL-like system is ability to run action on event (udev) and possibly having a user tool to notify and decide what action to take (can be pure udev + user app listening for udev events or a trivial app that does this over D-Bus) |
| 22:30.40 | p_l | neither require a 900-pound gorilla |
| 22:31.08 | tft | :D |
| 22:31.35 | p_l | sometimes I think whether, *gasp*, Windows NT doesn't have a simpler system |
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| 22:33.59 | murph | lol |
| 22:34.03 | murph | i'll agree HAL is overweight :) |
| 22:34.09 | murph | hopefully this devicekit will help with that some |
| 22:34.31 | murph | (however, let me tell you that NT's system is ridiculous on the inside) |
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| 22:35.01 | p_l | what we need is overhaul of security system and removal of various ridiculous VFS layers |
| 22:35.22 | p_l | murph: yeah, I know, though I still haven't got my hand on Windows Research Kernel :) |
| 22:35.32 | sanooj | amen brutha |
| 22:36.25 | murph | WRK? That's old stuff :) |
| 22:36.35 | p_l | Also, I very much like comparison of features between TOMOYO 1.6.7 (done through custom hooks patched into kernel) and TOMOYO 2.x, constrained to LSM API |
| 22:36.38 | murph | has seen the win7 kernel |
| 22:36.54 | p_l | murph: any info how to get access to it? |
| 22:37.08 | murph | sign a lot of NDA's, move to redmond for a summer |
| 22:37.40 | p_l | hmm, so MS internship? apart from NDA, how are the conditions (atmosphere at work etc.)? |
| 22:37.47 | murph | enjoy no longer being able to contribute to the Wine Project :( |
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| 22:38.05 | murph | probably depends a lot on the specific area you work in, but i was generally very happy there |
| 22:38.13 | p_l | heh |
| 22:38.30 | murph | i didn't face too many pointless office rules or things, worked with enjoyable people |
| 22:38.43 | murph | paid well, worked in an office |
| 22:38.52 | p_l | well, I tend to avoid having to run Wine |
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| 22:38.54 | murph | and seattle is beautiful :) |
| 22:38.56 | Erant | NDA's are unavoidable in some working environments. |
| 22:39.22 | p_l | I had to sign confidentiality agreement for my last job |
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| 22:39.45 | Erant | I'm getting a full on background check for my next internship probably. |
| 22:40.12 | p_l | kind of necessary - We had access to enough data to run afoul of national security :D |
| 22:40.32 | Erant | ;) |
| 22:41.19 | Erant | I might work on bank security software at my next internship, so NDAs and whatnot are kinda necessary :P |
| 22:41.29 | p_l | not to mention that all telecoms that span over more than one administrative region are required by law to have military coop plan |
| 22:42.22 | Erant | Military coop plan? Like how |
| 22:42.35 | Erant | "In case of a military coop..." O_o |
| 22:42.45 | p_l | Erant: co-operation |
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| 22:42.54 | p_l | not coup d'etat :D |
| 22:43.12 | murph | haha :D |
| 22:43.32 | p_l | Erant: it's about using telecommunication infrastructure for emergency and war |
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| 22:43.47 | p_l | you are required by law to make yearly report on that |
| 22:44.12 | p_l | nearly started his own ISP |
| 22:44.22 | Erant | Oh. :P |
| 22:44.34 | ochot | p_l: why didn't you? |
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| 22:45.26 | p_l | ochot: While looking for companies willing to give a sensible network link in my area I found an ISP that just started to move into my area and I was moving from Poland to UK :) |
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| 22:45.51 | ochot | hence the p_l not pl :) |
| 22:46.04 | p_l | nope, that's because of some historical reasons ;-) |
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| 22:46.36 | p_l | (read I once locked myself out of 'pl' nick on rizon and then settled on p_l and didn't bother changing it back) |
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| 22:47.41 | p_l | P.L. simply happen to be my initials :) |
| 22:47.53 | murph | mine are MRF |
| 22:47.54 | ochot | what a coincidence |
| 22:47.56 | murph | slur it a bit :) Murph |
| 22:48.18 | murph | uses the nickname for everything |
| 22:48.39 | WinterMute | used to be called Murph @ school |
| 22:49.07 | p_l | got "psycho paul" as his current nickname |
| 22:49.18 | ochot | mine initials are S.O. so I guess I could be asshole :) |
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| 22:54.57 | p_l | BTW, comparison between stuff available by custom patches and LSM APIs, for the same MAC framework: http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/wiki-e/?Welcome%21 and go to comparison between 1.6.x and 2.x series :) |
| 22:55.10 | ochot | anyway...gotta sleep too from time to time. gnite everyone |
| 22:56.11 | p_l | night |
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| 23:22.47 | Ori_B | p_l: not devices. hotplugging. |
| 23:22.58 | Ori_B | getting information about the devices at runtime, as well as notifications. |
| 23:23.14 | p_l | Ori_B: Yes, both done by udev cooperating with sysfs |
| 23:23.17 | Ori_B | arbitrary information like which X server (there can be more than one in multiseat configurations) gowns it |
| 23:23.26 | Ori_B | etc |
| 23:23.36 | Ori_B | the keyboard layout and model |
| 23:24.30 | p_l | Ori_B: multiseat config is certainly an option, however, I'd prefer to have a working protocol for setting X11 config inside session instead of relying on HAL |
| 23:24.50 | Ori_B | you have that. you don't rely on hal. |
| 23:25.03 | Ori_B | you just need it if you want hotplug to work. |
| 23:25.26 | Ori_B | the old way of adding devices at server startup is still there. |
| 23:26.28 | p_l | Ori_B: have you ever booted X.Org 1.5 without rewriting config on Linux system that didn't had HAL running? :) |
| 23:26.52 | Ori_B | if you don't want HAL, you need the config file. |
| 23:27.03 | p_l | Ori_B: With a working config file |
| 23:27.28 | Ori_B | still on 1.4 |
| 23:28.28 | p_l | Ori_B: Basically, the server acts like "Oh, there's input device configuration in config file. tl;dr, kthxbai, where's my hal? oh, not here, so we have no devices that talk to us. Will wait till hal tells us" |
| 23:28.51 | Ori_B | http://who-t.blogspot.com/2008/12/evdev-xorgconf-hal-and-other-fud.html |
| 23:30.11 | p_l | Ori_B: I didn't contradict that post. I simply got *very* angry, when someone decided that presence of input device configuration in xorg.conf and no response from hal isn't enough to judge that HAL is not going to give any info |
| 23:30.57 | Ori_B | did you file a bug? |
| 23:31.17 | Ori_B | I'd suggest it's reasonable to expect a config file to override hal... |
| 23:31.39 | p_l | Ori_B: can you file a bug concerning what apparently appears to be a freedesktop.org preference? :P |
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| 23:31.59 | Ori_B | hm? |
| 23:32.27 | p_l | freedesktop is the one pushing HAL, as well as the umbrella over X.Org |
| 23:32.41 | Ori_B | what, "Manual configuration should override automatic probing" body:"I should be able to manually configure a device, and that should take precendence over what HAL says" |
| 23:33.06 | Ori_B | freedesktop.org is pushing for automagic probing and config of hardware, yeah. |
| 23:33.12 | p_l | Ori_B: Also, I didn't bother having other stuff to do at that time. Might send a bug report now, though |
| 23:33.24 | Ori_B | they're not out to make software worse :) |
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| 23:33.52 | p_l | Ori_B: we have a saying in Poland: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" :D |
| 23:33.56 | Ori_B | believe me, they're reasonable people, if you don't go on misinformed rants instead of asking why things are the way they are. |
| 23:34.11 | Ori_B | hey, in general things have gotten a whole lot better. |
| 23:35.16 | p_l | Ori_B: yeah, I tend not to write inflammatory bug reports, but when you have lots of important work, having suddenly to workaround something like this without network access is not fun... |
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| 23:36.35 | p_l | good thing I had another system working nearby, or it would be a much longer night that time... |
| 23:36.39 | Ori_B | p_l: that's why I tend not to upgrade when I'm working on something urgent :) |
| 23:36.49 | Ori_B | speaking of which... |
| 23:36.51 | Ori_B | upgrade time |
| 23:36.56 | p_l | Ori_B: I upgraded some time before and haven't rebooted X ;-) |
| 23:37.16 | p_l | standard distro upgrade, without using any bleeding edge repositories |
| 23:38.44 | p_l | some time later a certain driver caused hard crash... then I had gone back from uni to dorm without booting my laptop back... |
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| 23:39.41 | [Evan] | What happended to project 10 to the 100? Has GSoC preempted that project, or are they unrelated? |
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| 23:42.09 | [Evan] | BTW Project 10 to the 100 is Google's good ideas to save the world contest. It was pushed back from January to March, then it was delayed indefinitely. Link: http://www.project10tothe100.com/ |
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| 23:43.25 | skbohra | you answered your question? |
| 23:47.11 | [Evan] | No, I was showing people what I was talking about. I still want to know if GSoC interfered with the Project. |
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| 23:49.10 | ojwb | why would it have? |
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| 23:49.50 | ecin | Picking 5 proposals out of 150,000... I don't envy their job. |
| 23:50.13 | ojwb | bets there's a lot of dross |
| 23:50.36 | ojwb | but probably also a lot of good ones, which are almost impossible to compare |
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| 23:56.56 | ojwb | [Evan]: have you considered how long it takes to review 150000 submissions? If a dozen people work full-time and look at each for just 5 minutes, that's ~6 months elapsed time... |
| 23:58.14 | [Evan] | It seems like the deadline for project submission was late October, so that would have given them ~5 months so far. Hopefully, there are more than a dozen people working on it! |
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| 23:59.45 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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