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| 00:00.45 | [Evan] | Evan would /kick maco if he was an op. |
| 00:01.00 | maco | :( |
| 00:01.51 | [Evan] | Evan is still mad from all the !extensions |
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| 00:09.46 | Beket | !next |
| 00:09.46 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 00:09.51 | maco | haha |
| 00:10.27 | gberdyshev | !socinfo |
| 00:10.27 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
| 00:10.33 | [Evan] | Evan would /kick Beket if he didn't mind hurting his feelings. |
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| 00:11.24 | Beket | My feelings wouldn't hurt if I knew the reason beyond this :) |
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| 00:12.51 | [Evan] | You would not believe how many people were using the !extension command on the GSoC deadline day. |
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| 00:13.24 | ojwb | this channel would be empty if [Evan] had ops |
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| 00:16.19 | skbohra|screwed | gonna irritate [Evan] more :P |
| 00:16.22 | skbohra|screwed | !next |
| 00:16.22 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 00:22.09 | summatusmentis | wait, so is there an extension? >_> |
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| 00:22.37 | p_l | LOL |
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| 00:23.27 | p_l | kind of liked the "fight between extension-seekers and those who minded deadline after extension-asking moved deadline earlier" idea |
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| 00:23.54 | p_l | assuming those who didn't ask for extension got nukes :> |
| 00:24.00 | summatusmentis | no, like I found out about GSoC yesterday, and there's been extensions in the past years |
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| 00:24.41 | p_l | ... |
| 00:24.54 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 00:24.56 | ojwb | so they found out yesterday, but know about past years? |
| 00:25.07 | summatusmentis | right |
| 00:25.10 | summatusmentis | that's how it works |
| 00:25.11 | summatusmentis | right? |
| 00:25.15 | p_l | ojwb: well, I kind of nearly missed it too, despite having it on my agenda since 2005 |
| 00:28.53 | ajuonline | where? extension? |
| 00:28.55 | ajuonline | what? WHAT? |
| 00:28.57 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ^ |
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| 00:30.16 | the9a3eedi | as I am using a very slow medium for my gentoo install (a flash disk), I wonder if theres a way to increase performance through disk caching or something |
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| 00:31.21 | ninad_sp | any idea if the mentors have started commenting on the proposals? |
| 00:31.24 | the9a3eedi | oops. wrong channel again, sorry |
| 00:31.30 | hypa7ia | ninad_sp: ask your project |
| 00:31.32 | hypa7ia | ;) |
| 00:31.43 | p_l | the9a3eedi: you could mount temporary storage on tmpfs... you'll run out of memory then |
| 00:31.49 | ninad_sp | hypa7ia: thanx.... will do that :) |
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| 00:32.13 | the9a3eedi | ninad_sp, I got a comment from the organization I applied to, so yes. |
| 00:32.24 | p_l | the9a3eedi: I thus recommend doing all the work on more capable machine (distcc? :P) |
| 00:32.27 | the9a3eedi | wait for it lol. think of all the applications they're getting |
| 00:32.52 | p_l | the9a3eedi: mount temporary storage from fast machine over net is also a good way :P |
| 00:32.55 | ninad_sp | yeah... just wanted to know if it's started. :) i do know the number is huge... |
| 00:33.03 | the9a3eedi | p_l: my machine is very capable. It's just the disk :P I couldn't afford making some space for another OS, and I hate parititons, so I just got a new flash disk. |
| 00:33.25 | the9a3eedi | 16GB for 35$. not bad. |
| 00:33.31 | the9a3eedi | kingston too.. a good brand |
| 00:33.41 | the9a3eedi | guess I'll just live with it. |
| 00:33.42 | p_l | the9a3eedi: Well, I beared using slow 4g kingston for my arch install |
| 00:33.51 | p_l | but I haven't had to compile stuff :) |
| 00:34.18 | the9a3eedi | lol. I also blame it on the fact that I'm using ext3. and ext3 sucks when it comes to small files, which is what gentoo is all about |
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| 00:35.00 | p_l | the9a3eedi: well, if you use parameters for news server, it doesn't suck so much. and adding and removing of lots of small files really sucks on XFS :P |
| 00:35.07 | the9a3eedi | but I used ext3 because it's mountable in windows, unlike reiserfs or ext4 or btrfs or jfs or whateverfs |
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| 00:35.33 | p_l | the9a3eedi: everything is mountable on windows if you are willing to be a little creative :P |
| 00:36.20 | the9a3eedi | p_l, I'm not even an OSS developer yet. you expect me to write a kernel driver? :P heck.. I heard writing filesystem drivers for windows is pretty damn hard, which is why you dont see drivers for other FSs much |
| 00:36.27 | the9a3eedi | it would make a good honors project, hmm.. dont you think? :P |
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| 00:36.57 | p_l | run coLinux, attach partitions to coLinux instance, export those over SMB or for added badassery export them over NFSv3 and make Windows mount a NFS volume :D |
| 00:37.22 | the9a3eedi | oh.. coLinux.. i forgot about that. I never used it though, but the idea seems strange if you ask me. |
| 00:37.34 | the9a3eedi | running 2 kernels at one time. dont they conflict? |
| 00:37.47 | p_l | the9a3eedi: depends how good you are with locking :3 |
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| 00:41.15 | the9a3eedi | hmm.. KOrganizer is so nice. If only I used linux as my main OS :( |
| 00:41.35 | the9a3eedi | unfortunately, linux doesn't run games, or Visual Studio (which i need for uni, among others) |
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| 00:47.00 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I was kidding, no extension :-D |
| 00:47.15 | summatusmentis | the9a3eedi: w/ qt4, there is supposed to be cross-platform KDE offered |
| 00:48.17 | the9a3eedi | summatusmentis, yeah, I'm looking into it.. there's a #kde-windows channel, apparently |
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| 00:50.36 | summatusmentis | :-D |
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| 01:04.10 | omniter | hi guys :) |
| 01:04.35 | omniter | I'm using Ubuntu now. :D |
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| 01:07.24 | p_l | omniter: didn't wipe your hdd? :P |
| 01:07.58 | p_l | the9a3eedi: run coLinux, run X server in windows, problem solved :) |
| 01:08.00 | ninad_sp | omniter: welcome to ubuntu :P |
| 01:08.05 | omniter | p_l, nope |
| 01:08.09 | omniter | but it's so strange... |
| 01:08.15 | p_l | ... |
| 01:08.16 | ninad_sp | someone here who's used gmailfs? |
| 01:08.18 | p_l | feels old |
| 01:08.29 | omniter | for example, where the hell do windows go when i minimize them lol |
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| 01:09.59 | ninad_sp | omniter: they should be going to the panels |
| 01:09.59 | ninad_sp | omniter: do you have both the panels, top and bottom? |
| 01:10.06 | omniter | yeah |
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| 01:10.40 | ninad_sp | omniter: you can check, by adding 'windows list' on one of the panels |
| 01:11.01 | ninad_sp | :) |
| 01:11.06 | omniter | ooo! |
| 01:11.10 | omniter | haha thanks dude |
| 01:11.31 | ninad_sp | the windows should not disappear then :) |
| 01:11.31 | ninad_sp | omniter: worked: great! :) |
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| 01:16.09 | omniter | am i still here? |
| 01:16.26 | omniter | i'm using pidgin for IRC, and it's really different lol |
| 01:16.43 | anothy_x | you are. |
| 01:16.48 | omniter | hoorah |
| 01:17.04 | omniter | okay i guess there's no need for a "minimize to system tray" in ubuntu is there |
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| 01:17.12 | tft | :D |
| 01:17.13 | omniter | because i have multiple desktops |
| 01:17.23 | ninad_sp | omniter: you've got your own connection? nice! |
| 01:17.30 | ninad_sp | i have to use mibbit to irc :( |
| 01:17.37 | omniter | ninad_sp, it's the school's connection, lol |
| 01:17.47 | ninad_sp | college net admins too stubborn to change.. |
| 01:17.49 | omniter | what's awesome is that as soon as i installed ubuntu, the internet worked |
| 01:17.53 | ninad_sp | hmmm..... good for you :) |
| 01:17.55 | omniter | no need to setup anything |
| 01:18.00 | omniter | i was so happy :D |
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| 01:18.23 | Traveler | very quiet today |
| 01:18.26 | ninad_sp | omnitre: it has to :) it's ubuntu... it's supposed to.... |
| 01:18.30 | tft | lol... ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 01:18.48 | ninad_sp | s/omnitre/omniter |
| 01:18.50 | Corsix | SSH + corkscrew to an SSH server on port 443 = avoid most school/college firewalls |
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| 01:19.19 | ninad_sp | Corsix : it does? i've been working at proxychains for sometime |
| 01:19.20 | tft | I think new worked out of box for my debian and fedora and mandriva and slax and suse installs too :D |
| 01:19.28 | tft | *net |
| 01:19.38 | ninad_sp | we only have port 8080 open at our proxy... |
| 01:19.40 | omniter | omgosh this is so cool... if i get a message from the #gsoc window in one workspace, i get a flashing thingy in any workspace i'm in! |
| 01:19.48 | ninad_sp | tft: yes they too are supposed to :) |
| 01:19.49 | Corsix | ninad_sp: personally, my school limits internet access to porta 80 and 443 |
| 01:19.52 | omniter | so when i click it, it brings me to the #gsoc workspace |
| 01:19.56 | Corsix | going through a sqiud proxy |
| 01:19.59 | ashishrai | !next |
| 01:19.59 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 01:20.14 | Corsix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corkscrew_(program) allows SSH over HTTP/S proxy servers |
| 01:20.20 | ninad_sp | Corsix: 443 is not open on our squid! :( |
| 01:20.25 | Corsix | and SSH server running on 443 looks like HTTPS |
| 01:20.26 | Corsix | :/ |
| 01:20.42 | Corsix | so you have no access to https sites? |
| 01:20.49 | ninad_sp | Corsix: ya.. i've heard of it.. i'll try it out too.. now that i haven;t made any headway with proxychains :) |
| 01:21.02 | ninad_sp | its through 8080 only i guess... |
| 01:21.12 | ninad_sp | correct me if i am wrong here though :) |
| 01:21.15 | Corsix | generally the server is running on port 8080 |
| 01:21.27 | Corsix | as HTTP itself is on 80 |
| 01:21.36 | ninad_sp | Corsix : let me nmap it once... |
| 01:22.34 | ninad_sp | Corsix: yes it is open.. :) |
| 01:22.35 | p_l | for those who really need to avoid proxies... get yourself a cheap, but not locked PHP hosting and use HTTPTunnel :) |
| 01:23.39 | ninad_sp | p_I: enlighten us more pls... |
| 01:23.47 | Corsix | my .ssh/config is: Host * ProxyCommand corkscrew proxy.schoolname.blahblah 808 %h %p |
| 01:23.51 | ninad_sp | s/p_I/p_l/ |
| 01:23.52 | Corsix | 8080 even |
| 01:24.08 | dmitrig01|afk | hi Corsix |
| 01:24.14 | ninad_sp | kkk... |
| 01:24.18 | Corsix | oh hi dmitrig |
| 01:24.45 | Corsix | I didn't apply to Drupal in the end |
| 01:25.14 | ninad_sp | Corsix: thanx for this... c ya in sumtime... i _have to_ play with this now :P |
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| 01:26.11 | Corsix | then for ssh: ssh -p 443 -D 1666 corsix@myvpsprovider |
| 01:26.36 | p_l | Basically, HTTPProxy is a HTTP-tunnel presenting a SOCKS5 proxy (full, including UDP) |
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| 01:27.13 | p_l | it has a client written in Perl, which connects over plain HTTP to a server written either in PHP or Perl (there are two versions) |
| 01:27.18 | ninad_sp | Corsix: k.. |
| 01:27.42 | p_l | the server part can connect also to another proxy |
| 01:28.12 | p_l | I can offer you my testimony that it goes through corporate firewalls configured by people who really know how to do it :) |
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| 01:29.20 | ninad_sp | p_l: i've heard of it at quite a few places... i'll check that too... thanx :) |
| 01:30.38 | p_l | basically, start server, connect to it, set options through web interface (most importantly authentication), start client on your machine, configure it over web with URL to HTTP server, user, pass and local port for SOCKS5 interface (default: 1030), point your apps to proxy with 127.0.0.1:1030, have unlocked access :) |
| 01:30.59 | p_l | normal SSH still needs corkscrew to connect through proxy, though... |
| 01:31.07 | p_l | (you can use tsocks for that, too) |
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| 01:31.59 | ninad_sp | p_l:kk... |
| 01:32.17 | Mkop2 | another idea: use logmein.com to access a computer off campus and connect from there |
| 01:32.31 | ninad_sp | Corsix: ever tried corkscrew with anything else? axel or wget maybe? |
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| 01:32.51 | ninad_sp | wget doesnt need https tunneling... but axel could do with some :) |
| 01:33.11 | p_l | ninad_sp: for socks proxies, there's tsocks |
| 01:33.19 | Corsix | ninad_sp: no, only used corkscrew for ssh |
| 01:33.31 | p_l | also I haven't had problems pointing axel to https proxy with http_proxy env. var. |
| 01:34.17 | ninad_sp | p_l: i couldnt get axel to work... :( |
| 01:34.20 | p_l | starts watching Babylon 5 - the Gathering... glorious Amiga-rendered 3D |
| 01:34.29 | ninad_sp | i'd be a lot happier if it would work.. |
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| 01:37.52 | ninad_sp | p_l: it worked! maybe i'd ben screwing around too much... thanx :) |
| 01:37.59 | ninad_sp | s/ben/been/ |
| 01:38.35 | p_l | yeah, that variable can be tricky, as various apps use it differently |
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| 01:53.37 | tft | hi |
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| 02:11.19 | linolium | are there any Google employees in here? |
| 02:11.43 | summatusmentis | there are, yes |
| 02:11.53 | linolium | any affiliated with Analytics? |
| 02:12.01 | summatusmentis | I'd doubt it? |
| 02:12.33 | linolium | I applied to develop something involving the Analytics Data Export API which is currently in a private beta, and I am trying to figure out who I can contact about getting access |
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| 02:14.37 | summatusmentis | uh... you don't really understand how SoC works do you? |
| 02:14.53 | summatusmentis | oh, something involving the API |
| 02:15.02 | linolium | yes |
| 02:16.01 | summatusmentis | meh, I'm not sure what the rules are about all that |
| 02:16.10 | summatusmentis | what org did you apply under? |
| 02:16.25 | linolium | Drupal |
| 02:17.22 | linolium | I sent in a request to join the Trusted Tester program, but it is very specific to whichever site you are developing for and who knows if I will get a response or not |
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| 02:25.35 | durin42 | linolium: GSoC is Google's program through the Open Source Programs Office to sponsor students to develop on FLOSS software. We can't help you at all with the analytics data API. |
| 02:26.03 | durin42 | linolium: Your best bet would be the usual contact channels for Analytics, I suppose. |
| 02:26.54 | Landon | sounds like that's his prospective project, to implement the analytics API |
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| 02:27.03 | Landon | s/implement/use it somehow/ |
| 02:27.11 | Landon | >.> |
| 02:27.15 | Landon | ibot, you are too smart for me |
| 02:27.16 | ibot | Landon: what are you talking about? |
| 02:27.25 | allisterb | lul |
| 02:27.29 | thebolt | hehe |
| 02:29.22 | p_l | someone connected CADIE to ibot? :P |
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| 02:53.25 | nixbox | !next |
| 02:53.25 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 03:03.50 | makmanalp | how do people randomly come in this channel and know to type !next or any of the other triggers? |
| 03:04.07 | hypa7ia | they've been here before, likely |
| 03:04.08 | pcmattman | been here before most likely |
| 03:04.16 | makmanalp | hm |
| 03:04.22 | straszheim | !chargelazor |
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| 03:04.29 | hypa7ia | pcmattman: jinx |
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| 03:28.03 | [user] | colinux is pretty cool :D reading about it *thinking* to take it for a spin :P |
| 03:28.15 | Mkop2 | [user]: yes, it's cool. I use it |
| 03:28.44 | [user] | !logs |
| 03:28.44 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 03:29.31 | NicDumZ | I like those mailing list stories |
| 03:29.51 | NicDumZ | "I was busy but I managed to get my application through" |
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| 03:30.38 | [user] | yeah I am just worried about the integrity of it :) might mess up things , right ? when any app crashes ? |
| 03:31.01 | NicDumZ | I first wondered where that would stop, i.e. who will claim to have had the busiest schedule |
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| 03:33.39 | [user] | I have a battery of tests this week :/ |
| 03:34.43 | NicDumZ | several research conferences had their paper deadlines on Friday |
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| 03:35.19 | NicDumZ | I think several Master students spent time on this. But surprisingly, we haven't heard of them :) |
| 03:36.36 | [user] | :) |
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| 03:37.16 | ojwb | lh has a fine story of an admin or mentor who managed to get his evaluations in on time despite being rushed to hospital |
| 03:37.47 | ojwb | think it must have been verbal as I can't find an email with it |
| 03:40.03 | [user] | it happens |
| 03:40.58 | NicDumZ | I don't know exactly where I stand |
| 03:41.39 | NicDumZ | my first thought is that if you were really motivated, and thought about the process beforehand, there was room for accidents |
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| 03:42.26 | NicDumZ | (implying here that a verrrrry large percentage of last minute submitters/complainers did not work enough on geting in GSoC) |
| 03:42.32 | [user] | omniter : ubuntu 9.04 is to be released in about 18 days. |
| 03:43.29 | NicDumZ | my second thought is that it's life, and that some worthy students probably planned ahead of time, and missed the deadline for very good reasons. |
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| 03:44.11 | NicDumZ | but I dont think this handful of accidents could justify any change, or long-lived mailing list conversation |
| 03:44.44 | omniter | oh well... it was a good run |
| 03:44.52 | omniter | back on windows |
| 03:45.32 | omniter | ubuntu was fun and all, but it's a bitch to do a lot of things |
| 03:46.05 | [user] | I got the info on 24th of march. :) Typed an application the next day , and then kept thinking I don't stand anywhere :( but hey, you've got to make a start somewhere :) realised this late :P but anyway I'm very much on it :) |
| 03:46.38 | NicDumZ | hell yeah we're in. |
| 03:47.08 | p_l | wow, got comments on all four proposals :) |
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| 03:48.18 | [user] | that is a learning curve that you are experiencing, you can almost do anything that you did on windows ( although I am still to find a replacement for Microsoft one note 2007 :P ) |
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| 03:49.15 | omniter | it won't even give me a refresh rate above 50 |
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| 03:49.21 | omniter | on windows i had 75 |
| 03:49.29 | omniter | the only option it gave me was 50 :S |
| 03:49.33 | omniter | and i installed the drivers |
| 03:49.41 | omniter | and also, i want dual displays |
| 03:49.59 | ninadsp | omniter: maybe you need propreitary drivers... if you dont mind them |
| 03:50.08 | omniter | what are those? |
| 03:50.30 | p_l | omniter: LCD? |
| 03:50.50 | omniter | yeah. this is my laptop. i wanna display on another LCD as well |
| 03:50.56 | ninadsp | omniter: ubuntu ships with open source drivers... the repos alo have drivers by ati and nvidia... but you have to set them up seperately |
| 03:51.04 | p_l | omniter: then forget refresh rate, it's meaningless |
| 03:51.06 | omniter | oh and, it seems like to get anything done on linux, you have to use the command prompt |
| 03:51.16 | ninadsp | omniter: that should take care fo refresh rate i guess... dunno abt dual monitors... |
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| 03:51.16 | Syntaxiko | yeah |
| 03:51.24 | omniter | p_l, oh really? |
| 03:51.29 | p_l | omniter: to get real work done on windows, you get to work with command line too :) |
| 03:51.36 | dqminh | omniter, dual display works fine :) |
| 03:51.39 | ninadsp | s/fo/of/ |
| 03:52.28 | omniter | and what do you guys use for development on linux anyway |
| 03:52.31 | p_l | omniter: refresh rate in case of LCDs connected by VGA is there because VGA port is designed about directly driving a CRT tube. DVI/LVDS/TMDS etc don't have it at all |
| 03:52.40 | ojwb | GCC |
| 03:52.45 | omniter | yuck =\ |
| 03:53.05 | omniter | lol i'm one of those guys who need a GUI |
| 03:53.06 | ojwb | it comes a lot closer to support ISO C++ than MSVC does |
| 03:53.17 | ojwb | eclipse seems popular |
| 03:53.24 | p_l | the only change is dual rate DVI, which has twice the bandwidth, so you can send a big frame in short time |
| 03:53.30 | ojwb | but I don't want a gui for a dev env so I've never looked |
| 03:53.44 | dqminh | i'm using gedit :) |
| 03:53.46 | omniter | hm |
| 03:53.51 | p_l | omniter: GCC is just the compiler. You can have the rest just like you have under Visual Studio. |
| 03:54.26 | p_l | omniter: for VS-like experience there's eclipse (I don't like it), NetBeans (IMHO much better), KDevelop |
| 03:54.43 | p_l | there was also Sun Studio, but you are not getting it on Linux on x86 :P |
| 03:54.52 | omniter | :( |
| 03:54.59 | ojwb | [user]: what does "one note" do? |
| 03:55.02 | ninadsp | +1 for NetBeans... though i use it mostly for php :) |
| 03:55.08 | p_l | also, it was more like modified XEmacs |
| 03:55.15 | ojwb | sounds monotonous... |
| 03:55.17 | p_l | ojwb: it's an interesting note taking app |
| 03:55.28 | p_l | though OneNote mobile sucks |
| 03:55.30 | ninadsp | and vim for my shell scripting |
| 03:55.47 | omniter | i don't know why but ubuntu's GUI seems a bit laggy |
| 03:55.48 | ojwb | there's "tomboy notes", which might be similar |
| 03:55.58 | omniter | like its fps is low |
| 03:56.17 | p_l | ojwb: not at all similar :D |
| 03:56.24 | p_l | also, OneNote works much better with tablets |
| 03:56.29 | ojwb | if you've an nvidia card, the proprietary drivers are accelerated, and the open source ones currently aren't AIUI |
| 03:56.31 | omniter | on vista, when i drag a window it looks like fluid motion, but on ubuntu it looks like snapshots |
| 03:56.37 | ninadsp | omniter: compiz enabled? |
| 03:56.39 | [user] | I love Debian ... you know why? try using sudo on it :P and not giving a password :P it gives toy a nice little lecture on " privacy " and such things :D ... I recall the times when we made such programs in basic programming classed which popped up a window on user error saying , "oh! you're stupid like me " :P D |
| 03:56.45 | omniter | ninadsp, yeah enabled |
| 03:56.46 | dqminh | omniter, did you enable compiz ? |
| 03:56.50 | p_l | omniter: check if you don't have the dreaded combination of Compiz and software acceleration |
| 03:57.05 | omniter | i installed the hardware accelerated nvidia driver |
| 03:57.09 | p_l | or just even XComposite and software rendering :D |
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| 03:57.53 | omniter | i do like the installation process in linux though |
| 03:57.57 | ninadsp | omniter: try without compiz... our system should speed up... |
| 03:58.03 | ninadsp | then enable compiz once you've set up ubuntu to your liking.. compiz is just candy |
| 03:58.13 | omniter | ninadsp, that's what i did |
| 03:58.22 | p_l | has no frills desktop. Or more like I don't use desktop metaphor at all, it sucks ;-) |
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| 03:58.32 | ninadsp | omniter: are you sure? try setting up something like debian or fedora with a cli interface |
| 03:58.46 | omniter | what's cli anyway =\ |
| 03:58.51 | p_l | ninadsp: dunno about fedora, but debian's old installer was nice |
| 03:58.56 | ninadsp | not the newer anaconda thingy from fedora.. or ubiquity in ubuntu |
| 03:59.11 | omniter | ubiquity? =\ |
| 03:59.21 | [user] | I dont think there is anything else that allows to annotate PDF files like books or noted :) one one is pretty handy in those things + clippings |
| 03:59.28 | p_l | omniter: Command Line Interface |
| 03:59.31 | ninadsp | p_l: dunno much about fedora.. been a ubuntu user mostly... :) |
| 03:59.35 | omniter | p_l, ah |
| 03:59.50 | ninadsp | omniter: ubiquity is the thing you saw when installing ubuntu :) |
| 04:00.11 | omniter | ah |
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| 04:00.19 | ninadsp | its the gui installer :) |
| 04:00.21 | p_l | doesn't touch ubuntu. he lost appetite after two tries where it deadlocked itself installing a postfix package |
| 04:00.37 | omniter | what's a postfix package? |
| 04:00.43 | omniter | ubuntu deadlocked itself? =\ |
| 04:00.48 | ninadsp | p_l: i somehow never got the hang of rpm's :P liked .deb more :) |
| 04:00.55 | Ryan52 | omniter: postfix is an smtp server |
| 04:01.02 | Ryan52 | omniter: a package is something that dpkg installs |
| 04:01.02 | ninadsp | p_l: postfix is mail right? |
| 04:01.04 | [user] | I tried a minimal install of debian a week back :) needed a wm just to visually see where the files are and such stuff also I am not so used to vi :/ |
| 04:01.08 | p_l | omniter: postfix is a MTA, aka mail server (as in SMTP) |
| 04:01.18 | omniter | Ryan52, know what a package is. thanks :) |
| 04:01.31 | [user] | so the solution was xfce + mosepad |
| 04:01.40 | omniter | so what distro do you use, p_l? |
| 04:01.41 | Ryan52 | omniter: you asked it like you were asking what a package is, tho :) |
| 04:01.42 | p_l | and what got deadlocked was installer, due to ubuntu getting a circular dependency inside |
| 04:01.50 | [user] | s/mosepad/mousepad |
| 04:02.03 | omniter | Ryan52, naw, i thought postfix package was a special kind of package or something lol |
| 04:02.06 | ninadsp | hope to try out debian this summer if i have time :) |
| 04:02.15 | Ryan52 | ah, heh |
| 04:02.24 | p_l | omniter: Arch Linux. If I get myself a good workstation I'm gonna set Gentoo or T2 on it |
| 04:02.25 | Ryan52 | ninadsp: you should :) |
| 04:02.37 | omniter | T2? |
| 04:02.40 | [user] | aptitude is slick :) |
| 04:02.42 | p_l | heavily modded Gentoo or T2 :> |
| 04:03.11 | ninadsp | which means, i'll try out debian if i don't get thru gsoc.. :P |
| 04:03.19 | p_l | T2 SDE = http://www.t2-project.org/ |
| 04:03.44 | omniter | does ubuntu use debian? |
| 04:03.49 | Ryan52 | ninadsp: why didn't you sign up for a debian project? then you get both :) |
| 04:03.54 | p_l | one thing I'm gonna do is make some own packages and finally setup proper security |
| 04:03.55 | Ryan52 | omniter: ubuntu is based on debian. |
| 04:04.01 | omniter | ah |
| 04:04.08 | Ryan52 | and imports packages from debian. |
| 04:04.17 | ninadsp | Ryan52: am decent at php and ajax.. nothing else... :) |
| 04:04.23 | Ryan52 | ninadsp: which project did you apply for? |
| 04:04.42 | omniter | and yet people use debian instead of ubuntu? how can this be? :D did ubuntu lose something? |
| 04:04.53 | ninadsp | Ryan52: could try that for next summer though :) |
| 04:04.53 | [user] | I was working with SUSE and got frustrated with the speed :( Linux should not be like MS products |
| 04:05.08 | skbohra | personally feels that fedora rocks |
| 04:05.08 | [user] | Ubuntu is easy :) |
| 04:05.10 | Ryan52 | omniter: it's more complicated than that.. |
| 04:05.12 | p_l | omniter: not everyone likes UBANTO </flame> |
| 04:05.20 | ninadsp | Ryan52: wordpress media functions... hope to do something for the images.. :) |
| 04:05.21 | Ryan52 | p_l: haha. nice. |
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| 04:05.50 | ninadsp | p_l: yeah... people say it's too simple :) |
| 04:06.15 | Ryan52 | p_l: what package manager does t2 use? |
| 04:06.24 | p_l | for me it would simply take too much time to unwind Ubuntu's development decisions :) |
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| 04:06.44 | p_l | Ryan52: I'm not sure, it's a "Distro Making Kit" :D |
| 04:06.53 | p_l | kind of like LFS with all scripts prepared :P |
| 04:07.12 | Ryan52 | hm. ok then. |
| 04:07.25 | [user] | LFS? |
| 04:07.36 | Ryan52 | [user]: linux from scratch. |
| 04:07.49 | Ryan52 | [user]: lets you build your whole system from scratch. |
| 04:08.06 | omniter | what's so good about gentoo vs some other linux? |
| 04:08.08 | [user] | err... they have a whole book ! |
| 04:08.08 | Ryan52 | it's basically just a manual walking you through the whole process. |
| 04:08.24 | p_l | Ryan52: kind of like Gentoo - they have "packages" as data about building software and installing it |
| 04:08.33 | p_l | (T2) |
| 04:08.37 | Ryan52 | ah, ok. |
| 04:08.45 | p_l | omniter: much better customization than binary distros |
| 04:08.47 | Ryan52 | omniter: it's all compiled...so you can change stuff however you want to. |
| 04:09.25 | omniter | compiled as opposed to what? |
| 04:09.28 | [user] | ok, will definitely look into LFS if got rejected this time :P |
| 04:09.34 | Ryan52 | omniter: as opposed to pre compiled.. |
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| 04:09.43 | omniter | :S |
| 04:09.45 | Ryan52 | omniter: most distros you download packages that are already built. |
| 04:09.53 | Ryan52 | omniter: on gentoo, you build them on your machine. |
| 04:09.57 | omniter | ohhhhh |
| 04:09.59 | p_l | omniter: most distros use packages with binaries compiled already. Gentoo downloads source files and compiles them for you :) |
| 04:10.11 | p_l | just like ports system from *BSD, which it was based on |
| 04:10.16 | Ryan52 | and it automates tweaking certain things. |
| 04:10.24 | omniter | automates? :o kewl |
| 04:10.45 | p_l | omniter: be prepared for *looong* system upgrades :D |
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| 04:11.05 | [user] | but heavily complicates certain things :P If I am on p3 then I am doomed If I want to install gentoo :P |
| 04:11.12 | p_l | as well as having them every week :P |
| 04:11.45 | p_l | [user]: I used Gentoo on P3, wasn't so bad. Except parents shutting down your computer makes for 3 days of compiling KDE3.5 |
| 04:12.03 | omniter | would an OS run slower if you ran it off an external harddisk? |
| 04:12.14 | omniter | like if you installed it on an external harddrive |
| 04:12.17 | p_l | omniter: depends what is inside and what kind of interconnect |
| 04:12.25 | [user] | lol... that was what i was talking abit , still to use gentoo though :) |
| 04:12.42 | omniter | there's not much inside... 500 gigs of empty space... |
| 04:12.47 | omniter | and it's connected by USB |
| 04:12.50 | p_l | I'm used to systems having faster external storage than internal one |
| 04:12.59 | p_l | omniter: I meant internal storage in your computer |
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| 04:13.09 | omniter | ah... |
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| 04:13.29 | omniter | but it's installed on the external harddrive. why does it matter what's in my computer? :S |
| 04:13.42 | p_l | omniter: I mean as comparison :P |
| 04:13.56 | omniter | oh... |
| 04:14.35 | [user] | omniter: external is ok if it is hard drive , you have eSATA these days :P Dunno if it works on linux or not , but is slow when tat external thing is a flash drive |
| 04:14.57 | p_l | an external harddrive might be much faster for a netbook. An external harddrive on bigger system not really unless you have real good external connection or very slow internal disks :D |
| 04:15.24 | p_l | eSATA works if you have AHCI or similar, supported hotplug controller |
| 04:15.37 | p_l | and your BIOS supports booting from it |
| 04:15.56 | [user] | yeah If that is :) |
| 04:16.16 | omniter | ah... in that case probably safer to install on internal |
| 04:16.22 | p_l | USB-storage should never came into existence for anything other than flash drives |
| 04:16.38 | p_l | if only Apple wasn't butthurt over its patents |
| 04:16.48 | omniter | how much space should i allocate for installing ubuntu anyway? |
| 04:16.55 | omniter | it says 8 gigs is "comfortable" |
| 04:16.59 | omniter | 4 gigs is minimum |
| 04:17.07 | omniter | what does that even mean :S |
| 04:17.15 | omniter | how can the required space vary? |
| 04:17.59 | p_l | omniter: there's a lot of packages to choose from |
| 04:18.35 | [user] | I have a lenny install in 1.8 gb :P on a flash drive , one doesn't need all the packages :) |
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| 04:18.53 | omniter | it doesn't let me customize the packages though :S |
| 04:19.08 | omniter | it just asks me how much space to allocate then it goes ahead and installs everything in one go |
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| 04:19.30 | [user] | ... |
| 04:19.56 | omniter | i'm using the windows installer btw |
| 04:19.57 | omniter | Wubi |
| 04:20.03 | p_l | omniter: and you asked why some people didn't like Ubuntu :P |
| 04:20.14 | omniter | heh |
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| 04:20.30 | [user] | use synaptic to get rid of those you dont want |
| 04:20.53 | omniter | i don't know anything about these packages in the first place. how do i know if i want them :S |
| 04:21.21 | [user] | and maybe there should be an option like expert/custom install where you get to choose what you want |
| 04:21.23 | p_l | omniter: they usually have some description |
| 04:21.46 | omniter | user, there isn't. =\ |
| 04:21.58 | p_l | ... anyone has a working PPC firmware for qemu? |
| 04:22.03 | [user] | p_l : you use KDE or Gnome ? |
| 04:22.03 | omniter | which makes me wonder... if i choose the minimum... and i try to install more packages, does that mean it will fail? |
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| 04:22.12 | p_l | I need something that can load from cdrom... |
| 04:22.17 | p_l | [user]: neither |
| 04:22.35 | [user] | xfce? |
| 04:22.43 | p_l | nope |
| 04:22.45 | [user] | or just cli? |
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| 04:22.57 | p_l | no "desktop metaphor" here :P |
| 04:23.11 | [user] | :P |
| 04:23.18 | Ori_B | [user]: there are more WMs and desktop environments out there than you think :) |
| 04:23.24 | Ori_B | currently I'm using Awesome on my laptop |
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| 04:23.53 | p_l | I'm using X all the way, but no desktop. XMonad + Emacs + rxvt-unicode + mplayer (for multimedia) :) |
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| 04:24.11 | [user] | yeah there are certainly more then i think |
| 04:24.23 | Ori_B | *bed time* |
| 04:24.32 | [user] | nice :) |
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| 04:24.41 | p_l | sometimes I start twm in Xephyr, when I have to work with java apps |
| 04:25.05 | ojwb | is fairly sure the ubuntu installer does let you customise |
| 04:25.07 | p_l | cause I don't have time to fix Sun's X11 libraries |
| 04:25.13 | ojwb | perhaps it's just ubiquity which doesn't? |
| 04:25.38 | [user] | ok .. |
| 04:26.47 | skbohra | any suggestions on how to get a job in Google |
| 04:26.54 | Ori_B | p_l: actually, it's the Java apps that are semi-broken. |
| 04:26.55 | ojwb | apply? |
| 04:27.17 | Ori_B | especially with older JVMs |
| 04:27.34 | ojwb | skbohra: they have internships, which is probably a good place to start |
| 04:27.45 | Ori_B | (for god's sake, they detect the WM and try to behave differently under different WMs) |
| 04:27.48 | p_l | Ori_B: I've got JDK7. X11 support under tiled, nonreparenting WM is still... bad |
| 04:27.54 | Ori_B | but that's a rant fot another day... |
| 04:28.11 | p_l | Ori_B: That's done inside GUI libs actually |
| 04:28.18 | p_l | the ones that are part of JRE |
| 04:28.33 | Ori_B | ok, sloppy terminology |
| 04:28.36 | Ori_B | you know what I meant :) |
| 04:28.41 | p_l | yeah |
| 04:29.05 | p_l | it's a pity though that I have to launch another Xserver for any stupid Java GUI |
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| 04:29.39 | Ori_B | heh. I avoid the problem by not using Java GUIs. |
| 04:30.07 | p_l | btw, anyone knows of a power/powerpc emulator that doesn't suck like qemu, supports PReP or newer IBM arch and can boot from CDROM? |
| 04:30.38 | p_l | Ori_B: If I have to code in Java, I can at least code in NetBeans. Makes it much less painful |
| 04:31.22 | Ori_B | heh. I'm too comfortable with vim to leave it |
| 04:31.27 | Ori_B | but I also don't really code in Java. |
| 04:31.48 | p_l | Ori_B: I'm not determined enough to setup Java development env. in Emacs :) |
| 04:31.56 | [user] | net beans is nice, but I have just started on java and netbeans so cant say much, college people ask to use notepad :P |
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| 04:32.17 | Ori_B | hm, apparently eclipse has it's own gui toolkit and it's also nice for java; did you try that? |
| 04:33.12 | [user] | yeah i tried eclipse too :) and thought that netbeans was better :) |
| 04:33.14 | p_l | Ori_B: There is a reason why I'm using NetBeans while Eclipse seems to be "number one" :) |
| 04:33.46 | Ori_B | hm> |
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| 04:34.30 | p_l | anyway, I either need a better firmware for qemu-system-ppc or a better emulator >_< |
| 04:34.37 | p_l | (or an RS/6000) |
| 04:35.19 | skbohra | ojwb: thanks |
| 04:36.12 | p_l | skbohra: my method: hang around various places[1] and make constructive comments. If you get some projects under your blet, even better. [1]: rather hard to find exactly which ones |
| 04:36.17 | p_l | *belt |
| 04:36.40 | [user] | soc page is giving 504 errors :| |
| 04:37.33 | skbohra | p_I: couldn't get you |
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| 04:38.39 | p_l | skbohra: You might get contacted, not the other way around ;-) |
| 04:39.14 | ojwb | Google certainly used to have a team of recruiter who would randomly contact likely looking people |
| 04:39.35 | ojwb | looking at open source projects, or getting suggestions from people they'd talked to |
| 04:39.42 | p_l | they still had one two years ago |
| 04:39.52 | ojwb | yeah |
| 04:40.02 | ojwb | not heard anything recently |
| 04:40.10 | ojwb | but I just ignore them, so maybe they gave up on me |
| 04:40.16 | p_l | guesses it gets obvious how he got his info |
| 04:41.14 | [user] | hey soc page is down or what? |
| 04:41.42 | skbohra | wow thats cool |
| 04:41.54 | ojwb | not for me it seems |
| 04:42.40 | [user] | ok, I will try later , maybe some error on isp side or something |
| 04:43.01 | p_l | skbohra: lost my sleep because of those recruiters ;-) |
| 04:45.58 | [user] | skbohra: I think they are taking interns for their India office , try there. |
| 04:46.06 | ojwb | last one seems to be july 2008 |
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| 04:47.08 | p_l | (in case they read the logs: Alice, that mail made my day and gave me bragging rights for a long time. Still going to apply for a job) |
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| 04:47.37 | nsquare | hello guys |
| 04:47.46 | ojwb | p_l: lost sleep? |
| 04:48.12 | p_l | ojwb: finding an email from google at 23:30 isn't very good for it :D |
| 04:48.29 | ojwb | ah |
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| 04:49.27 | p_l | still, it's fun |
| 04:49.47 | p_l | used that on my CV ever since :) |
| 04:50.01 | [user] | !next |
| 04:50.01 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 04:51.19 | [user] | yeah but page is down here :/ |
| 04:52.34 | ojwb | it does seem a nice place to work |
| 04:53.07 | ojwb | but I'm happy with my current "job", and I don't fancy moving countries again |
| 04:53.40 | p_l | yeah. Though I was thinking of starting my own company, even if I know I won't get rich off that easily :D |
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| 04:55.18 | p_l | but it might give me enough money to pay off living costs during studies |
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| 05:05.45 | kartik_rustagi | !next |
| 05:05.45 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 05:45.48 | devvrat | !numapps |
| 05:45.48 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 05:49.42 | devvrat | Everybody resting on sunday !!! |
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| 05:51.03 | superhero | not everybody there are few hanging around |
| 05:51.25 | makmanalp | true |
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| 05:51.53 | superhero | google is acquiring twitter? |
| 05:52.06 | superhero | are these rumors only |
| 05:52.37 | devvrat | possibly true |
| 05:53.09 | superhero | twitter is still searching a business model |
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| 05:56.31 | p_l | still can't get any idea how twitter might earn money |
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| 05:59.59 | ojwb | advertising? |
| 06:00.13 | ojwb | or selling accounts maybe |
| 06:00.22 | ojwb | so you could send 200 characters with an account! |
| 06:00.54 | p_l | decides he isn't drunk to believe such bussiness model |
| 06:01.16 | ojwb | suspects their master plan is to be bought out |
| 06:01.22 | p_l | :3 |
| 06:01.26 | ojwb | and whoever buys them will be buying an audience |
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| 06:02.04 | ojwb | if you're MS or Google or Yahoo, you don't need everything to be profitable in itself - driving more traffic to your other sites is good too |
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| 06:02.17 | p_l | yeah, I know |
| 06:02.30 | ojwb | IIRC, the people behind twitter built and sold something else already |
| 06:02.33 | p_l | but basing *my* bussiness model on "gettin bought" is a no-no |
| 06:02.35 | superhero | twitter is addicting thats for sure |
| 06:03.06 | p_l | dunno about addicting, I don't seem to ever use it |
| 06:03.33 | ojwb | doesn't really get it |
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| 06:04.02 | ninadsp | ojwb: is that yammer you are speaking of? |
| 06:04.14 | ojwb | eh? |
| 06:04.36 | superhero | I am addicted to twitter, so has millions of other people |
| 06:05.05 | ninadsp | am not sure if yammer was developed by the same guys, but its a twitter that you can set up for your company... |
| 06:05.08 | ojwb | well, I can see it is addictive |
| 06:05.15 | ninadsp | afaik... please check the wiki entry... dont remember much of it... :) |
| 06:05.17 | PearlJam | take Orkut for example, it has a hugh user base (the most common social networking site in India). Google runs it. |
| 06:05.19 | ojwb | but so is heroin, and I've never felt the urge to start using that |
| 06:05.37 | antarus | never thought much money could be made in search advertising |
| 06:05.45 | antarus | but apparently I'm wrong since I'm employed by google ;p |
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| 06:06.53 | ojwb | ninadsp: ah, no - blogger |
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| 06:07.07 | ojwb | evan willams and biz stone were involved in that too |
| 06:07.12 | ojwb | just checked wikipedia |
| 06:07.17 | peter_dc | antarus: in the past ads have supported all the tv networks and newspapers in the US |
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| 06:08.27 | tuxcanfly | ninadsp! you're not from bits-pilani by any chance, are you?? |
| 06:08.53 | superhero | large numbers of applications are built for twitter, they must be starting to charge for API key |
| 06:09.42 | peter_dc | and their going to sell access to their direct feed, for searching purposes |
| 06:10.13 | peter_dc | e.g. so google doesn't have to crawl twitter.com for everyones tweets |
| 06:10.39 | ninadsp | tuxcanfly: hi... you are bang on target... did you also apply for gsoc? |
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| 06:11.09 | superhero | showing up ads on the basis of keywords in your tweets sounds like the next thing |
| 06:11.10 | tuxcanfly | you bet! |
| 06:11.25 | tuxcanfly | i applied for reviewboard |
| 06:11.26 | ninadsp | tuxcanfly: lets move to #gsoc-india ... less crowded there... :) |
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| 06:11.46 | tuxcanfly | its a code review system |
| 06:11.50 | tuxcanfly | sure |
| 06:12.17 | kumarabhi | hi people |
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| 06:12.57 | superhero | people will be paying for that as well through their adwords a/c |
| 06:13.03 | kumarabhi | i was wondering if students fix the bugs , will that increase their chances of selection for soc? |
| 06:13.32 | superhero | yes ofcourse |
| 06:13.57 | superhero | I coded an app for my org ;) |
| 06:14.08 | ojwb | kumarabhi: anything which gives the org confidence that you can complete your project is likely to help |
| 06:14.34 | superhero | still not sure about getting it :( |
| 06:14.46 | superhero | *in |
| 06:14.57 | ojwb | if you submit a patch for a bug, even if it's not the right solution, that shows you've managed to get a dev environment set up, build the code, read and understand it to some extent, and worked out how to generate a patch |
| 06:15.39 | superhero | submitted patch as well :) |
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| 06:17.16 | I_love_her | morning everyone |
| 06:18.31 | superhero | morning I_love_her |
| 06:19.45 | I_love_her | yesterday you had your nick as skbohra,i suppose |
| 06:20.10 | ninadsp | morning i_love_her |
| 06:20.24 | I_love_her | hi ninadsp |
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| 06:20.32 | superhero | agrees |
| 06:20.44 | I_love_her | enjoying sunday |
| 06:22.12 | skbohra | I_love_her: was just trying a new nick :P |
| 06:22.37 | I_love_her | skbohra: I didn't say to change your nick, just checking my memory :P |
| 06:23.29 | skbohra | but I love this nick name more |
| 06:24.21 | I_love_her | superhero feels like a guy from 60's |
| 06:25.48 | skbohra | old wise man :) |
| 06:26.17 | I_love_her | :) |
| 06:26.37 | skbohra | hows it going? |
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| 06:26.47 | skbohra | comments? reviews? |
| 06:27.03 | I_love_her | all going fine |
| 06:27.17 | skbohra | great |
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| 06:27.29 | I_love_her | me only commenting , no body else :P |
| 06:27.56 | skbohra | aaah same here |
| 06:28.25 | I_love_her | lol |
| 06:28.45 | skbohra | you from bits? |
| 06:28.53 | I_love_her | no |
| 06:29.12 | skbohra | then, |
| 06:29.30 | I_love_her | iit |
| 06:29.34 | I_love_her | k |
| 06:29.51 | skbohra | oh cool, so many folks from iitk here |
| 06:30.04 | I_love_her | yep |
| 06:30.36 | I_love_her | last year we had 7 gsoc people...hoping for more this time |
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| 06:31.36 | skbohra | definitely more, i myself know 3-4 who are sure to get in |
| 06:32.01 | I_love_her | their names plz |
| 06:32.20 | skbohra | sid0, lifeeeth, mavu, hippen.., |
| 06:32.43 | I_love_her | sid0 is probably not applying this year |
| 06:32.53 | skbohra | ohk |
| 06:33.04 | I_love_her | other guys are sure to get in |
| 06:33.12 | ninadsp | 6 known applicants from bits pilani this time... :) |
| 06:33.23 | I_love_her | nice :) |
| 06:33.26 | skbohra | and you ofcourse |
| 06:33.43 | skbohra | we have 4 applicants from our college as well |
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| 06:33.49 | Anot | who all ninadsp? |
| 06:34.00 | I_love_her | skbohra: thanks buddy :) |
| 06:34.30 | I_love_her | pushes heaps of luck to skbohra too |
| 06:34.58 | skbohra | thanks buddy |
| 06:35.06 | I_love_her | :) |
| 06:36.06 | devilsadvocate | skbohra, last i checked mavu was not from iitk |
| 06:36.19 | skbohra | aah |
| 06:36.25 | I_love_her | lol |
| 06:36.28 | skbohra | its devilsadvocate |
| 06:36.30 | skbohra | :) |
| 06:36.45 | skbohra | the fourth one |
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| 06:37.23 | skbohra | he was there in techkriti? |
| 06:37.23 | devilsadvocate | interesting |
| 06:37.50 | skbohra | fosskriti* |
| 06:38.03 | lut4rp | someone said FOSSkriti |
| 06:38.08 | lut4rp | fosskriti++ |
| 06:38.31 | devvrat | lut4rp: +1 from side too :) |
| 06:38.48 | skbohra | +1 from me too :) |
| 06:38.54 | devvrat | s/side/my side |
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| 06:39.41 | I_love_her | btw,which part of the event fif you like the most |
| 06:39.55 | I_love_her | s/fif/did |
| 06:40.22 | skbohra | hackfests, talk by arun, |
| 06:40.41 | Anot | +cnt |
| 06:40.50 | Anot | >.< |
| 06:40.55 | devilsadvocate | is off to undo soe shit he did to his key |
| 06:42.08 | I_love_her | afk |
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| 07:28.32 | kblin | wow |
| 07:29.09 | I_love_her | for wat :P |
| 07:30.57 | kblin | I can tell the time of the gsoc application period from looking at our website stats |
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| 07:31.24 | I_love_her | :D |
| 07:31.27 | I_love_her | exactly |
| 07:31.53 | I_love_her | on 3 apr ,we had 597 people |
| 07:32.09 | I_love_her | and the channel being so noisy.. |
| 07:32.23 | I_love_her | now it's ghost town |
| 07:32.53 | skbohra | with few ghosts roaming around |
| 07:32.59 | ninadsp | it was crowded right after the deadline... :) |
| 07:33.08 | skbohra | hunting |
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| 07:33.27 | ninadsp | ya... hunting gsoc :P |
| 07:33.37 | I_love_her | heh |
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| 07:33.57 | skbohra | why asp sites doesnt work on fedora :( |
| 07:34.03 | I_love_her | ninadsp: that article at tuxradar was superb |
| 07:34.18 | skbohra | where to report this |
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| 07:34.32 | I_love_her | windows :D |
| 07:34.53 | skbohra | they are killing the web |
| 07:34.56 | ninadsp | i_love_her: well, its a benchmark... so i dont go too much in depth |
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| 07:35.29 | ninadsp | a system can be tweaked to do a job better than a stock system... and i know that i will tinker with it.. :) |
| 07:35.36 | I_love_her | skbohra: kill them then :P |
| 07:35.41 | ninadsp | so its just an interesting read for me :) |
| 07:36.00 | I_love_her | no offences intended to windows |
| 07:36.06 | I_love_her | j/k :P |
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| 07:37.09 | ninadsp | i_love_her: every os has its place... :) i need windows for my photoshop and corel work.. but rest all i can do better in ubuntu :) |
| 07:37.18 | skbohra | most indian govt sites doesnt work on my fedora |
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| 07:37.38 | I_love_her | like |
| 07:37.44 | skbohra | ninadsp: gimp and inkscape works great for me |
| 07:38.06 | skbohra | courtnic.nic.in |
| 07:38.07 | I_love_her | ninadsp: right,some of the essential softwares works best in windows |
| 07:38.14 | ninadsp | skbohra: inkscape is pretty good... :) but i am too used to corel... |
| 07:38.37 | ninadsp | and photoshop has brilliant blending options.. which gimp can only mimick |
| 07:38.44 | I_love_her | photoshop > gimp |
| 07:38.56 | skbohra | $$$ |
| 07:39.03 | skbohra | gimp<photshop |
| 07:39.23 | ninadsp | i_love_her: yep! :) |
| 07:39.31 | skbohra | i cant afford to purchase photoshop |
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| 07:39.48 | I_love_her | skbohra: it' s working fine on my system |
| 07:39.57 | I_love_her | skbohra: i am using fedora too |
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| 07:40.06 | skbohra | i_love_her: try searching something |
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| 07:40.13 | skbohra | like case search |
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| 07:40.45 | skbohra | it just stops working, nothing happens on clicking submit button |
| 07:41.14 | I_love_her | mine is working |
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| 07:41.58 | I_love_her | it's shows some thing when i click on submit |
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| 07:42.06 | I_love_her | so fine for me :) |
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| 07:42.50 | skbohra | strange |
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| 07:48.49 | Shannon90 | !next |
| 07:48.49 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 07:54.36 | ashishpaliwal | Is it all right to talk to orgs right now ans ask them if they have taken finalized any candidate ?? |
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| 07:56.14 | pavelo | it doesn't hurt to try |
| 07:56.48 | kblin | it won't help, though |
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| 07:56.59 | skbohra | but they usually dont answer directly |
| 07:57.18 | kblin | no org knows it's slot count yet, so it's impossible to give a real answer to this |
| 07:57.32 | kblin | and I really doubt anybody finished ranking the proposals already |
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| 07:59.52 | skbohra | I am requesting to to review my app instead |
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| 08:04.07 | dhaun | skbohra: don't - the mentor are doing that anyway, no need to pester them |
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| 08:04.33 | ojwb | kblin: we have! |
| 08:04.48 | ojwb | though it's provisional pending answers to comments, etc |
| 08:04.56 | ojwb | and which mentors are up for what |
| 08:05.08 | kblin | ojwb: see, that's what I mean |
| 08:05.22 | skbohra | dhaun: yeah not exactly I am pushing them |
| 08:06.09 | skbohra | ojwb: which org :) |
| 08:06.20 | ojwb | skbohra: not yours! |
| 08:06.33 | I_love_her | :D |
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| 08:06.55 | skbohra | just was little curious |
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| 08:07.53 | I_love_her | ojwb satisfies skbohra curiosity :P |
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| 08:09.24 | skbohra | googling to know :) |
| 08:10.33 | ojwb | adds "shows initiative" to skbohra's permanent record |
| 08:11.54 | I_love_her | http://googlemath.ytmnd.com/ :D |
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| 08:13.09 | lut4rp | decides to work on his issue queue finally |
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| 08:14.18 | skbohra | it gives 0 :) |
| 08:14.27 | skbohra | try it yourself |
| 08:14.33 | I_love_her | i know |
| 08:14.51 | lut4rp | fail. |
| 08:14.55 | lut4rp | link fail. |
| 08:14.59 | I_love_her | the guys must have inline edited it and pasted it |
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| 08:15.21 | skbohra | and someone searched that and pasted here :P |
| 08:15.36 | I_love_her | :D |
| 08:15.49 | I_love_her | skbohra: nice joke buddy :) |
| 08:15.52 | ojwb | skbohra: did you find out? |
| 08:16.42 | skbohra | ohloh says GNU libtool |
| 08:16.52 | ojwb | rolls eyes |
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| 08:17.33 | ojwb | sent them a few patches years ago |
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| 08:18.12 | lut4rp | ohloh didn't track non HEAD branches when i used it originally. Does it now? |
| 08:18.23 | ojwb | mind you, until pretty recently, I was one of the world's most experienced smalltalk programmers |
| 08:18.33 | ojwb | has never written a single line |
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| 08:18.51 | t0ms | ochot: :) |
| 08:19.02 | ojwb | it tracks what you tell it to |
| 08:19.05 | ojwb | or what someone does |
| 08:19.11 | kblin | er |
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| 08:19.22 | kblin | actually it's pretty easy to figure out what ojwb does |
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| 08:19.43 | ojwb | even by looking on ohloh |
| 08:19.44 | kblin | I did that myself a few weeks ago :) |
| 08:19.47 | kblin | yeah |
| 08:20.07 | lut4rp | ojwb, no, it doesn't, i can see only CVS HEAD being tracked. |
| 08:20.10 | lut4rp | my stats are old. |
| 08:20.29 | ojwb | lut4rp: you can "enlist" whatever repo branches you choose to |
| 08:20.42 | Conficker_ | wants everybody to fear from him :P |
| 08:20.54 | ojwb | only windows users |
| 08:21.17 | kblin | toys with his /kick macro to show just how afraid he is |
| 08:21.26 | t0ms | ochot: vnet? :) |
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| 08:21.42 | ochot | t0ms: high school? :) |
| 08:21.45 | kblin | ojwb: dunno, it probably works in wine as well ;) |
| 08:21.45 | Conficker_ | fears kblin |
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| 08:22.11 | ojwb | $ wine |
| 08:22.11 | ojwb | The program 'wine' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 08:22.11 | ojwb | sudo apt-get install wine |
| 08:22.11 | ojwb | bash: wine: command not found |
| 08:23.13 | ojwb | though I guess I could be ddosed by it |
| 08:23.46 | skbohra | had a power cut, |
| 08:23.57 | skbohra | ojwb: SWIG right? |
| 08:24.04 | ojwb | yes |
| 08:24.24 | I_love_her | google always help :) |
| 08:24.25 | ojwb | the quicker solution would have been to use /whois |
| 08:24.55 | skbohra | i used |
| 08:25.00 | skbohra | to get your full name |
| 08:25.00 | ojwb | which is another reason why it's a nonsense to worry about not wanting to tell an org which other orgs you're applying to |
| 08:25.02 | skbohra | :) |
| 08:25.26 | ojwb | it also tells you I'm on #swig-gsoc |
| 08:25.54 | skbohra | strange that it says just #gsoc |
| 08:26.08 | skbohra | thats why i had to google |
| 08:26.26 | ojwb | perhaps you aren't signed in? |
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| 08:26.39 | ojwb | "[skbohra] #transparency #sahana #gsoc" |
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| 08:27.25 | skbohra | yeah |
| 08:27.56 | skbohra | my irc client has gone nut :( |
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| 08:37.03 | kblin | ojwb: perhaps #swig-gsoc has the invisible mode set |
| 08:39.23 | skbohra | kblin: oh thanks I was looking at my irc client :) |
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| 08:43.24 | skbohra | strange that I couldnt find ojwb in #swig :( |
| 08:43.39 | I_love_her | #swif-gsoc |
| 08:43.47 | I_love_her | *swig |
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| 08:44.16 | I_love_her | he is there |
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| 08:44.28 | skbohra | aah ok got him thanks |
| 08:44.42 | I_love_her | is running behind ojwb |
| 08:44.48 | I_love_her | oops |
| 08:44.56 | skbohra | ha ha |
| 08:45.10 | skbohra | i got what you intended to write |
| 08:45.13 | I_love_her | s/I_love_her /I_love_her feels skbohra :P |
| 08:45.23 | I_love_her | now you get it :P |
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| 08:46.58 | skbohra | has never any intention of that sort, |
| 08:47.08 | I_love_her | came to know about Lava prog lang |
| 08:47.35 | I_love_her | wonders if anybody uses it :P |
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| 08:49.35 | skbohra | a list of programming languages I found http://home.nvg.org/~sk/lang/lang.html |
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| 08:50.53 | skbohra | never heard names of many of them |
| 08:51.12 | I_love_her | this is better |
| 08:51.13 | I_love_her | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages |
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| 08:51.41 | skbohra | w00t cool |
| 08:51.49 | skbohra | wikipedia rocks |
| 08:52.28 | skbohra | anybody uses Knol? |
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| 08:52.42 | lut4rp | boring. |
| 08:52.49 | lut4rp | Wikipedia is better :) |
| 08:52.50 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 08:52.50 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 08:52.57 | skbohra | yeah much much better |
| 08:52.58 | ojwb | the #swig channel on freenode is a different swig |
| 08:53.31 | ojwb | kblin: I'm on 6 channels on freenode in total though |
| 08:54.22 | skbohra | ojwb: its just showing #gsoc on whois , working fine for other nicknames |
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| 08:55.24 | ojwb | shrugs |
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| 08:55.50 | pi31415926535 | !announce_accepted_students_now |
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| 08:56.12 | pi31415926535 | !hack_you_very_much |
| 08:56.12 | socinfo | Error: "hack_you_very_much" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:03.18 | kblin | hmm |
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| 09:03.31 | Upthorn | the bot is not a toy. |
| 09:04.03 | smtms | Upthorn, it si |
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| 09:04.47 | Upthorn | no it is not. It is a tool to be used for purposes of information. |
| 09:06.09 | smtms | Upthorn, like running "!next" every 5 minutes? |
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| 09:07.17 | Upthorn | I don't see !next being used by the same person twice, nor twice within the space of a single hour. |
| 09:07.38 | mvanga | What are the commands it accepts? |
| 09:07.41 | ojwb | it is used more often when it is busy |
| 09:08.15 | Upthorn | by people who are actually wondering what phase of the timeline we are in |
| 09:08.28 | Upthorn | or actually probably wondering what the next significant date is |
| 09:08.44 | smtms | timelines are so fucking difficult! I need a bot! |
| 09:08.59 | arunmathew88 | !before |
| 09:09.00 | socinfo | Error: "before" is not a valid command. |
| 09:09.07 | Upthorn | smtms: there is no comparison between that and <pi31415926535> !hack_you_very_much |
| 09:09.35 | Upthorn | seriously. |
| 09:09.52 | smtms | Upthorn, there's no comparison - one is fun, the other's irritating |
| 09:09.52 | arunmathew88 | !name |
| 09:09.53 | socinfo | Error: "name" is not a valid command. |
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| 09:10.05 | Upthorn | neither is fun. |
| 09:10.21 | Upthorn | one is useful |
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| 09:11.07 | Upthorn | even if it is not useful specifically to you, because you, specifically, have seen it many times already |
| 09:11.13 | disismt | Hi guys , what would you understand by the term "logically extend the code" |
| 09:11.42 | skbohra | is there any bounty for that? ;) |
| 09:11.55 | disismt | no :( |
| 09:12.02 | Upthorn | disismt: I would take it to mean "add functionality that logically follows from current functionality |
| 09:12.06 | Upthorn | " |
| 09:12.13 | ojwb | too |
| 09:12.26 | disismt | Upthorn, thanks |
| 09:12.40 | ojwb | or in a way which logically follows from what you're trying to do, maybe |
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| 09:12.43 | disismt | hey ladki |
| 09:12.57 | Upthorn | yeah, that's also possible |
| 09:12.58 | ojwb | could be expressed better probably |
| 09:13.14 | disismt | ojwb, actually I am writing a comment in my proposal, and cannot find the right words :) |
| 09:13.21 | Upthorn | it could probably be expressed better, but it would take four times as many words. |
| 09:13.38 | Upthorn | approximately |
| 09:13.49 | disismt | Upthorn, I will be using your quote |
| 09:13.56 | disismt | :) |
| 09:14.18 | Upthorn | you're welcome. |
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| 09:15.41 | pi31415926535 | Upthorn: are you a mentor? |
| 09:15.59 | Upthorn | I am not |
| 09:16.13 | pi31415926535 | ok |
| 09:16.32 | Upthorn | also |
| 09:16.37 | Upthorn | !anyone |
| 09:16.38 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 09:17.26 | pi31415926535 | no i was just trying to understand why you got so angry from a little humor |
| 09:17.35 | Upthorn | oh |
| 09:17.47 | Upthorn | if you require entertainment, there are plenty of users here to interact with |
| 09:17.55 | Upthorn | there is no need to abuse the bot. |
| 09:18.19 | ojwb | saying "funny" things to the bot gets rather dull after a while |
| 09:18.26 | ojwb | you aren't the first person to do it |
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| 09:20.09 | Upthorn | ojwb's point also applies to my reaction |
| 09:20.37 | Upthorn | additionally, I just highlighted a section of that line and then hit enter instead of backspace, because I am dumb. |
| 09:21.13 | pi31415926535 | i was having fun myself, didnt do it for you anyway... but sorry again... |
| 09:21.39 | Upthorn | Man, I am talking like a robot and I cannot figure out how to talk in a less stilted manner at the moment. |
| 09:21.55 | Upthorn | Vexing. |
| 09:22.06 | sanooj | protip: alcohol. |
| 09:22.14 | blast007 | heh |
| 09:22.14 | ankit_mots | is there any way i can edit my proposal now?? |
| 09:23.15 | Upthorn | I can't right now either |
| 09:23.31 | Upthorn | but I'm not sure if it's because of the 04-03 deadline, or system maintenance |
| 09:24.30 | Upthorn | I'm guessing that the 04-03 deadline means that at this point you're supposed to provide additional information via comment, instead of editing |
| 09:24.39 | ankit_mots | i think it's because of the deadline bcause all other things are working fine |
| 09:25.04 | ankit_mots | hmmm |
| 09:25.13 | pi31415926535 | a mentor "must" comment a proposal? or is no comment an option |
| 09:25.38 | pi31415926535 | because i had no response from one of the org's i've applied |
| 09:25.51 | pi31415926535 | the others did respond |
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| 09:27.01 | ojwb | pi31415926535: if you want to entertain yourself, pm the bot |
| 09:27.11 | ojwb | otherwise 458 other people have to see it |
| 09:27.24 | kblin | pi31415926535: no requirement at all |
| 09:27.29 | pi31415926535 | ojwb: ok i said i'm sorry?! it's enough i guess... |
| 09:27.39 | ojwb | they might think your app is perfect |
| 09:27.45 | ojwb | or too poor to consider further |
| 09:27.47 | kblin | pi31415926535: but given that mentors are human, leave them some time to reply as well |
| 09:27.52 | ojwb | or they just might not have got to it yet |
| 09:27.56 | pi31415926535 | kblin: thnx |
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| 09:28.32 | smtms | the bot doesn't answer on PM |
| 09:28.44 | ojwb | works for me... |
| 09:29.13 | smtms | ojwb, what do you say to it? |
| 09:30.31 | ojwb | think it needs the channel name too |
| 09:30.34 | Upthorn | probably just declarations of love, and other usual IRC PM harassments. |
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| 09:31.07 | straszheim | somehow I don't find this in the faq: can mentors mentor more than one project? |
| 09:31.23 | ojwb | they can, but consider carefully if you really have the time |
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| 09:31.54 | ojwb | especially initially and around the midterm and end it can be quite time intensive |
| 09:32.03 | ojwb | or if a student has problems |
| 09:32.34 | straszheim | agreed, 1:1 or less would be ideal. somebody asked. |
| 09:32.38 | ojwb | if it's a first time mentor, it's probably not a good idea |
| 09:32.55 | kblin | I agree with ojwb |
| 09:32.57 | ojwb | but it is allowed |
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| 09:33.27 | straszheim | thansk. |
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| 09:41.01 | PDani | !extension |
| 09:41.01 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
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| 09:43.32 | Erant | !extension |
| 09:43.32 | socinfo | "extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you. |
| 09:43.35 | Erant | How 'bout now... |
| 09:44.17 | t0ms | socinfo: :) |
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| 10:15.51 | oxcsnicho | !timeline |
| 10:15.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 10:18.53 | cyber_11 | hi... i wanna reach oleg nesterov which is mentor of GSOC for Adminlist library for Joomla! Developers |
| 10:19.00 | cyber_11 | is there any one who knows nesterov's mail adress... |
| 10:19.02 | cyber_11 | ? |
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| 10:19.11 | easwar | !anyone |
| 10:19.11 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 10:20.35 | cyber_11 | but they didn't added in their gsoc sites |
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| 10:22.49 | gralco | I found out about gsoc a few minutes after they stopped accepting applications |
| 10:23.10 | gralco | though I'm 17 so I would have to wait until next year any way |
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| 10:23.36 | cyber_11 | ok i applied but something missing |
| 10:23.46 | cyber_11 | i've added my content of proposal |
| 10:23.55 | cyber_11 | but now i can't see it in there |
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| 10:24.14 | cyber_11 | and i have received message for it... |
| 10:24.22 | cyber_11 | notificatin |
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| 10:24.59 | cyber_11 | is there any suggestions for that? |
| 10:25.10 | thiago_home | no |
| 10:25.16 | thiago_home | your proposal was either received or wasn't |
| 10:25.26 | thiago_home | you can't do anything about that anymore either way now |
| 10:25.30 | thiago_home | so, sit back, relax |
| 10:25.37 | thiago_home | and start working with the community |
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| 10:28.01 | FangWang | Where can I see the status of my proposals? |
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| 10:29.17 | thiago_home | FangWang: on socghop.appspot.com |
| 10:29.25 | thiago_home | (i.e., the same place) |
| 10:30.28 | FangWang | I can see my submited proposals, but no comments no notifications. |
| 10:30.56 | thiago_home | FangWang: are you sure there have been any comments or notifications to your proposals? |
| 10:31.16 | cyber_11 | yeap i hav recieved an email |
| 10:31.46 | thiago_home | cyber_11: did anything change on the interface after that? |
| 10:31.56 | cyber_11 | no there is no change |
| 10:32.04 | cyber_11 | i can't edit my proposal still |
| 10:32.14 | thiago_home | did the mentor unlock the proposal for editing? |
| 10:32.27 | FangWang | No, no comments and no notifications, I have just checked |
| 10:32.28 | cyber_11 | i guess they are regarding proposals... |
| 10:32.50 | ojwb | FangWang: if you were notified of comments, but don't see them, I'd suggest you ask on #melange |
| 10:32.58 | cyber_11 | foru or for every one? |
| 10:33.42 | ojwb | oh, I misread |
| 10:34.19 | cyber_11 | FangWang: i'm absouletly sure that i have recieved a notification because of my empty content of proposal |
| 10:34.46 | FangWang | My proposal is no empty |
| 10:34.52 | ojwb | mentors can't currently "unlock" proposals |
| 10:35.12 | FangWang | And I asked my mentor, he said he saw my proposals |
| 10:35.35 | cyber_11 | and i wanna send my content right now |
| 10:35.37 | ojwb | FangWang: has he made a public comment? |
| 10:35.44 | FangWang | No |
| 10:35.45 | cyber_11 | no.. |
| 10:35.59 | ojwb | FangWang: so why are you suprised you can't see it? |
| 10:36.32 | ojwb | cyber_11: if you submitted an empty proposal just to be the deadline, you're probably going to be disappointed... |
| 10:36.44 | lut4rp | mavu_, ping, pm? |
| 10:36.59 | ojwb | certainly for our org, that goes in the "ineligible" pile |
| 10:37.00 | FangWang | I can't see the status of proposals, does it in the processing or being refused? |
| 10:37.03 | mavu_ | lut4rp, hi :) sure |
| 10:37.05 | thiago_home | cyber_11: you were supposed to send the full proposal by the deadline |
| 10:37.19 | ojwb | FangWang: you need to wait until April 20th to find out |
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| 10:37.48 | ojwb | things like tweaking the timeline in response to feedback are reasonable |
| 10:37.54 | ojwb | putting in all the content isn't |
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| 10:38.18 | ojwb | if you can't get the proposal done by the submission deadline, that's a bad sign for getting things done on time |
| 10:38.26 | ojwb | which makes for a depressing mentoring experience |
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| 10:42.59 | [user] | is reading a book on oss by Karl Fogel. |
| 10:43.07 | thiago_home | cyber_11: conclusion: start thinking of SoC 2010, which means start doing open source work |
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| 10:43.29 | ojwb | yeah |
| 10:47.47 | FangWang | I want to know whether google decide how many slots for a certain org. |
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| 10:48.11 | ojwb | !slots |
| 10:48.11 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 10:48.23 | ojwb | FangWang: that explains the processs |
| 10:48.44 | FangWang | Thank you |
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| 11:06.31 | amit8-88 | !orgbylang |
| 11:06.31 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 12:01.20 | hkpco | hi |
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| 12:09.38 | skbohra | wasted 2hrs on stupid movie :( |
| 12:09.57 | devilsadvocate | skbohra, now go and watch Pi |
| 12:10.16 | rwatson | skbohra: just think, that's better than wasting 20 years on a stupid job. :-) |
| 12:10.46 | sivaji | go and watch the same movie again to save others time |
| 12:11.07 | skbohra | sivaji ^^ |
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| 12:11.45 | rwatson | or, alternatively, at least it was only a two-hour movie... |
| 12:11.56 | devilsadvocate | rwatson, :D |
| 12:12.19 | skbohra | rwatson: well thats way I am consoling myself |
| 12:12.24 | rwatson | accidentally watched the uncut version of Alexander while in Dhaka a few years ago, and that was.. er.. not great. |
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| 12:14.25 | skbohra | though movie inspired me to make a movie, I think I too can make movie, atleast better than that ;) |
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| 12:15.44 | kumarabhi_ | skbohra:which movie? |
| 12:15.56 | [user] | ... |
| 12:17.15 | skbohra | I think we should start a new room #bollywood :P |
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| 12:18.08 | rwatson | thought Alexander would have benefited a *lot* from a bit of singing and dancing. |
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| 12:18.45 | ojwb | go and watch "groundhog day" over and over |
| 12:19.45 | skbohra | ojwb: I am taking note :) |
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| 12:23.44 | spsneo | are we able to see whether I have been assigned a mentor? |
| 12:24.09 | Nightrose | spsneo: i don't think so |
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| 12:24.11 | Nightrose | and even if |
| 12:24.19 | Nightrose | it wouldn't guarantee anything |
| 12:24.48 | spsneo | Nightrose: yeah I am aware of that |
| 12:24.50 | spsneo | Nightrose: but atleast that shows I am not ineligible |
| 12:25.02 | Nightrose | heh ok yea |
| 12:25.09 | spsneo | and if I am assigned a mentor till late.. that means I am probably in |
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| 12:25.22 | Nightrose | not necessarily |
| 12:25.33 | Nightrose | orgs are asked to assign mentors to more students than they get slots |
| 12:25.45 | Nightrose | in case they loose some of those they really want |
| 12:25.47 | spsneo | Nightrose: thats why I said *probably* |
| 12:25.51 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 12:26.08 | ajuonline | spsneo: which orgs have you applied to? |
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| 12:26.32 | ajuonline | spsneo: if you are able to see your application, that i think, means yours is eligible. |
| 12:26.59 | spsneo | ajuonline: yup |
| 12:27.17 | spsneo | ajuonline: I just asked whether I can see we have been assigned a mentor yet? |
| 12:27.18 | [user] | well that might also mean that it is pending a review ? |
| 12:27.33 | ajuonline | yeah, coz inelgigible ones dont show |
| 12:27.42 | ajuonline | i cant see my second application, which was incomplete :P |
| 12:27.47 | ajuonline | so ineligible |
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| 12:28.05 | ajuonline | spsneo: which organisations applied this year? |
| 12:28.07 | spsneo | ajuonline: well which orgs have you applied for ? |
| 12:28.16 | ajuonline | spsneo: only sahana |
| 12:28.30 | spsneo | I applied for limesurvey |
| 12:28.30 | spsneo | and u? |
| 12:28.46 | ajuonline | spsneo: just 1 |
| 12:29.30 | spsneo | ajuonline: cool |
| 12:29.50 | ajuonline | spsneo: so you applied to just one? |
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| 12:30.55 | [user] | 2 applications to one organization, and one got rejected? @ajuonline |
| 12:31.18 | spsneo | ajuonline: yeah |
| 12:31.29 | ajuonline | [user]: nope. 2 to different one. |
| 12:31.32 | spsneo | ajuonline: I was trying to apply in one more.. but couldn't complete |
| 12:31.56 | [user] | ok ... I get it :) |
| 12:32.04 | spsneo | ajuonline: though that incomplete application is still there |
| 12:32.31 | spsneo | ajuonline: anyways I am ineligible in that arg as I was asked to fix a bug to be eligible |
| 12:32.34 | skbohra | that will called as span app? |
| 12:32.42 | spsneo | sighs |
| 12:32.42 | skbohra | /s/span/spam |
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| 12:32.58 | spsneo | skbohra: yeah I understand :) |
| 12:35.22 | skbohra | so many people using mibbit |
| 12:35.39 | ajuonline | spsneo: good luck |
| 12:36.01 | spsneo | ajuonline: good luck to you as well.. |
| 12:36.08 | spsneo | ajuonline: but probably you will be in :) |
| 12:36.13 | lut4rp | skbohra, mibbit is godsend for those who need anonymity :) |
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| 12:37.05 | skbohra | and for those who are behind proxy and cant access use irc desktop client |
| 12:37.31 | lut4rp | proxies block websites as well. |
| 12:37.50 | lut4rp | they can, at least |
| 12:37.56 | skbohra | but in our case irc is blocked, |
| 12:38.10 | lut4rp | really? which college? |
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| 12:38.48 | [user] | not exactly, mibbit or any other forms do not hide the identity.Cloaks work in some cases, but if someone wants, they get to know where you are, with or without any forms of hiding.IRC is unsafe, in my humble opinion. |
| 12:38.49 | skbohra | engg college bikaner :) our web admin ....shhhhhh |
| 12:38.54 | spsneo | skbohra: I gues chatzilla firefox addon will work in your university |
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| 12:39.17 | lut4rp | [user], irc isn't unsafe :) |
| 12:39.29 | lut4rp | depends where you go on irc and how you use it. |
| 12:39.43 | lut4rp | skbohra, so they blocked 6667? |
| 12:39.43 | [user] | It gives away the ip address so easily :( |
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| 12:39.55 | skbohra | lut4p: yeah |
| 12:40.12 | skbohra | lut4rp* :) |
| 12:40.21 | lut4rp | [user], what? IRC? |
| 12:40.32 | lut4rp | you can always use something like Tor |
| 12:40.37 | [user] | they might have blocked all ports except 8080/80 |
| 12:40.43 | [user] | yeah :) |
| 12:40.52 | skbohra | yeah \ |
| 12:41.00 | skbohra | even 21 is blocked |
| 12:41.02 | skbohra | :) |
| 12:41.07 | [user] | :) |
| 12:41.12 | lut4rp | i prefer a cloak :) |
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| 12:42.30 | [user] | I do not know where to get one. |
| 12:42.33 | skbohra | services like net2ftp, mibbit come for rescue us :) |
| 12:43.02 | lut4rp | [user], you can get an unaffiliated one in case you do not get one from a project. |
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| 12:43.14 | lut4rp | ask for one in #freenode |
| 12:44.12 | [user] | yeah but that is after 20th when a decision is made somewhere :) I'll try the free node channel :) |
| 12:44.34 | lut4rp | [user], then wait till 20th :) |
| 12:44.35 | skbohra | :) |
| 12:44.47 | skbohra | why 20th? |
| 12:44.52 | lut4rp | results. |
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| 12:44.56 | skbohra | mann |
| 12:45.05 | I_love_her | they will be made till 15th ;P |
| 12:45.06 | skbohra | so if you dont get selected |
| 12:45.17 | skbohra | god forbade |
| 12:45.38 | lut4rp | is working on his proposal already, whether or not he gets through. |
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| 12:45.51 | skbohra | too |
| 12:46.57 | lut4rp | i was working on it before gsoc anyway :) |
| 12:46.57 | lut4rp | won't make much of a difference |
| 12:46.57 | lut4rp | skbohra, ahh, which org? |
| 12:46.57 | [user] | I heard someone say that they are privileges not something you can demand :) |
| 12:46.57 | skbohra | lut4rp: sunlight labs |
| 12:47.12 | lut4rp | skbohra, ooh, never heard, what is it on? |
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| 12:47.44 | viktorkrum | hey guys , jus wanted to as a qn ... is thr any way tht we find out the number of applications to the organizations tht we have applied to ? |
| 12:47.54 | Corsix | viktorkrum: ask the orgs |
| 12:47.57 | lut4rp | viktorkrum, no. |
| 12:48.15 | lut4rp | viktorkrum, you might ask the orgs, but not necessarily they tell you. |
| 12:48.16 | skbohra | lut4rp: http://wiki.sunlightlabs.com/index.php/GSOC_2009 |
| 12:48.20 | I_love_her | nope , just ask their politely |
| 12:49.02 | viktorkrum | and how do we contact an organization if they dont have a irc channel ? |
| 12:49.08 | lut4rp | mail them |
| 12:49.09 | lut4rp | ? |
| 12:49.14 | I_love_her | mailing list |
| 12:49.59 | viktorkrum | tried that ... didn't get reply yet .. guess , have to wait more |
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| 12:53.38 | I_love_her | well in the comments, the latest comment comes at the bottom |
| 12:53.39 | I_love_her | it should be otherwise |
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| 13:11.43 | mvanga | !anyone |
| 13:11.43 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 13:51.48 | chx | !timeline |
| 13:51.48 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 13:56.32 | pygi | !numapp |
| 13:56.32 | socinfo | Error: "numapp" is not a valid command. |
| 13:56.44 | skbohra | !help |
| 13:56.44 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 13:56.44 | pygi | !numsapp |
| 13:56.46 | socinfo | Error: "numsapp" is not a valid command. |
| 13:56.47 | pygi | :P |
| 13:56.48 | pygi | damn :D |
| 13:56.52 | pygi | !wiki |
| 13:56.52 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 13:56.54 | skbohra | !numapps |
| 13:56.54 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 13:57.00 | pygi | ah that, yes :D |
| 13:57.03 | pygi | thx :p |
| 13:57.08 | skbohra | :) |
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| 13:59.07 | pygi | people are sleeping now :p |
| 13:59.15 | pygi | after they've been rampaging near the end of deadlines :D |
| 14:00.05 | skbohra | more because its sunday in most parts of world |
| 14:00.55 | rhubner | I think all parts of world... |
| 14:01.11 | Ivanovic | rhubner: but not in all parts it is a holiday |
| 14:01.28 | disismt | Ivanovic, good one |
| 14:01.40 | Ivanovic | pygi: or people are busy reviewing applications and posting comments for the students |
| 14:01.50 | Ivanovic | (as well as helping the students further improving their proposals) |
| 14:01.54 | pygi | Ivanovic, possibly, not sure people are doing that now :P |
| 14:02.08 | pygi | Ivanovic, eh, that's a tricky one, since a student can't update his application in melange yet :-/ |
| 14:02.30 | Ivanovic | pygi: yeah, and? |
| 14:02.35 | pygi | nothing :D |
| 14:02.37 | Ivanovic | still it can be improved by comments? |
| 14:02.46 | Ivanovic | since those do count for the final process, too |
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| 14:02.53 | pygi | nod :) |
| 14:03.14 | Ivanovic | in fact it is *good* that the main application can not be changed anymore |
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| 14:03.35 | Ivanovic | simply because there is no history feature in melange and it is not possible to see the changes if the main proposal was just edited |
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| 14:04.01 | Ivanovic | when stuff is done via comments you directly see the new stuff as well as that something was changed |
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| 14:13.31 | disismt | You know, the amount of slots an organisation gets should also be determined by the no of students who have *already* started coding. |
| 14:13.51 | codelearner | can we place links in the comments? |
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| 14:14.58 | thiago_home | why wouldn't you? |
| 14:15.03 | thiago_home | you can leave any text in the comments |
| 14:15.27 | codelearner | ok :) |
| 14:15.28 | I_love_her | it's wysiwyg editor |
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| 14:18.02 | ojwb | except some markup seems to get mangled |
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| 14:19.25 | Shannon90 | !next |
| 14:19.25 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 14:20.55 | codelearner | is back to study |
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| 14:30.44 | shirish_ | l0nwlf there ? |
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| 14:33.07 | hkpco | good bye :-) |
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| 14:33.32 | l0nwlf | shirish yes |
| 14:33.44 | l0nwlf | shirish_ ? |
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| 14:43.42 | Shannon90 | !! |
| 14:43.42 | socinfo | Error: "!" is not a valid command. |
| 14:43.48 | brainfck_ | !next |
| 14:43.48 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 14:49.49 | Gaurav___ | !numapps |
| 14:49.51 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 14:50.20 | thiago_home | wonders why people are interested in those numbers |
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| 14:50.44 | bobbens | thiago_home: for your chances at getting a slot :) |
| 14:51.08 | thiago_home | it's not like you're under random distribution... |
| 14:51.08 | Gaurav___ | ;) |
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| 14:51.35 | bobbens | thiago_home: it does affect quite a bit |
| 14:51.41 | thiago_home | not really, no |
| 14:51.44 | bobbens | because I'm seeing many many good applications |
| 14:51.52 | thiago_home | you have to know the number of applications sent to the orgs you applied to |
| 14:51.58 | thiago_home | the command isn't telling you that |
| 14:52.13 | bobbens | meaning that last year the org i went to had like 6 applications, only 3 good, this year they have like 15, with 12 being very good |
| 14:52.15 | thomastc | I wonder why we can't blog about it... disclosing the numbers here is pretty much a publication anyway |
| 14:52.26 | bobbens | thiago_home: well it gives you a general idea |
| 14:52.58 | thiago_home | I don't see how you made the jump from 6/3 to 15/12 |
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| 14:53.26 | Gaurav___ | thiago_home: is there any way to know number of applications submitted to a particular organisation |
| 14:53.38 | thiago_home | Gaurav___: sure |
| 14:53.44 | thiago_home | Gaurav___: ask the mentors of that organisation |
| 14:53.57 | Gaurav___ | thiago_home: :) |
| 14:54.14 | Gaurav___ | thiago_home: but they are not disclosing the data |
| 14:54.19 | thiago_home | then too bad |
| 14:54.28 | thiago_home | it's their prerrogative |
| 14:57.02 | brainfck_ | is waiting for some comments on his proposals. |
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| 15:00.01 | skbohra | too desperately |
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| 15:21.16 | shirish | nothing l0nwlf ... just gazing by |
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| 15:23.27 | mja | hi folks .. i had submitted my proposal to xwiki on 3rd april long b4 the closing time .. i can find only my abstract there ... the content column is blank |
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| 15:23.57 | mja | is there any way to check if it had been submitted correctly |
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| 15:24.19 | devvrat | finally the silence broke |
| 15:24.36 | rhubner | haha |
| 15:24.45 | kblin | !askyourorg |
| 15:24.46 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 15:24.51 | kblin | mja: ^^^ |
| 15:24.57 | brainfck_ | :P |
| 15:25.08 | brainfck_ | I hate waiting |
| 15:25.33 | bergwolf | !next |
| 15:25.33 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 15:26.42 | rhubner | does it have how chage the abstract? |
| 15:27.11 | mja | no |
| 15:27.22 | rhubner | humm |
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| 15:29.39 | bergwolf | will there be a proposal status like last year's "ranking in progress" and "reviewer assigned"? |
| 15:31.36 | smtms | no, only "disqualified" |
| 15:32.46 | smtms | the source code of Melange is open and I bet all proposal statuses can be found there |
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| 15:37.02 | brainfck_ | Will I receive an email, if there was a new comment on my proposal? |
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| 15:37.35 | dhaun | only if you subscribe to comments |
| 15:39.08 | brainfck_ | thanks |
| 15:39.28 | codelearner | hi |
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| 15:40.05 | brainfck_ | codelearner: hi |
| 15:40.58 | codelearner | that means those who didn't clicked that subscribe button are there in the dark , unless they are actively monitoring their application page? |
| 15:41.42 | shirish | hj mja |
| 15:41.44 | shirish | you there ? |
| 15:42.07 | codelearner | brainfck_ : how are you ? |
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| 15:42.31 | brainfck_ | codelearner: we have good weather:-) and you? |
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| 15:44.16 | codelearner | brainfck_ :all good here as well :) |
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| 15:44.47 | ninadsp | codelearner: you can still sunscribe to the notifications... just go to your proposal and subscribe :) |
| 15:44.47 | ninadsp | s/sunscribe/subscribe/ |
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| 15:45.28 | shirish | !next |
| 15:45.28 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 15:45.47 | shirish | its the same next i have got yesterday |
| 15:45.47 | shirish | :P |
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| 15:47.02 | codelearner | I did it when I submitted the project, got a comment on one, and waiting for the comments on the other. |
| 15:48.04 | brainfck_ | I didn't get any comments yet |
| 15:48.31 | shirish | is still shirish_ |
| 15:48.38 | shirish | is still shirish |
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| 15:51.17 | codelearner | hmm... maybe its Sunday, think about the mentor's problems , some orgs get 100+ proposals for 2-3 slots, so it is difficult for them to check and comment on every applicant in a short time :) |
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| 15:53.02 | l0nwlf | codelearner: depends |
| 15:53.14 | tntcoda | hates writing dissertations :( |
| 15:53.24 | l0nwlf | my org got only 13 proposals..still no comment |
| 15:54.34 | tntcoda | ive been lucky and had 2 lots of feedback on each of my applications |
| 15:54.52 | codelearner | hmm... |
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| 15:58.13 | mib_1lxq9iqh | any one please help me |
| 15:58.28 | mib_1lxq9iqh | about proposal |
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| 15:58.49 | mib_1lxq9iqh | my proposal is missing in my proposal list |
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| 15:59.32 | ninadsp | please check the discussion list at http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss ... some of the threads might help you... :) |
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| 16:02.32 | yec | I didnt get comments in my first GSOC |
| 16:02.37 | yec | and I got accepted |
| 16:02.43 | yec | so relax |
| 16:02.47 | WinterMute | congrats |
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| 16:03.07 | yec | sometimes you app is solid and no questions are needed to be ask |
| 16:03.23 | codelearner | every year it gets tougher. |
| 16:03.30 | yec | that is true |
| 16:03.47 | skbohra | I didn't get comments on my first gsoc and I didn't get accepted :) |
| 16:03.50 | ninadsp | yec: are you mentoring this time round or applied again? |
| 16:03.59 | yec | ninadsp, applying again |
| 16:04.10 | codelearner | there is no way to know until they formally announce. |
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| 16:05.07 | ninadsp | yec: great! best luck! :) |
| 16:05.41 | yec | ninadsp, thanks |
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| 16:15.30 | lnanek | The "visual timeline for GSoC 2009" link on the timeline page just gives me a blank page. Is it broken? |
| 16:15.36 | lnanek | Timeline page is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#timeline , link URL used is http://nuigroup.com/?ACT=28&fid=89&aid=2773_08qYtJL80RoO5rMiSnMp . Looks like from the NUI Group forums that the right URL is http://nuigroup.com/?ACT=28&fid=87&aid=2773_08qYtJL80RoO5rMiSnMp . |
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| 16:16.30 | vinod | Hi when does ranking process begin? |
| 16:17.00 | monsieurp | !next |
| 16:17.00 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 16:17.06 | monsieurp | vinod: :o |
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| 16:22.31 | thiago_home | vinod: it has already started |
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| 16:27.33 | black_pearl | hi all....i wanted to confirm about the documents to be submitted |
| 16:27.51 | black_pearl | do we submit the tax document now |
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| 16:28.34 | black_pearl | or is it needed to be given after we are selected and are going to be paid |
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| 16:28.49 | dhaun | why would anyone be interested in tax documents now when you've not been accepted yet? |
| 16:28.52 | disismt | wait till you get selected :) |
| 16:29.37 | black_pearl | thnx....i suppose the is meant for the foreign certification |
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| 16:29.46 | black_pearl | same* |
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| 16:44.24 | firesoul | hi |
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| 16:46.15 | Gaurav___ | !numapps |
| 16:46.16 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
| 16:46.20 | mib_1lxq9iqh | any indians here |
| 16:46.26 | Gaurav___ | 1 |
| 16:46.29 | Gaurav___ | yeah |
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| 16:47.42 | devvrat | mib_1lxq9iqh: join #gsoc-india |
| 16:47.57 | devvrat | btw, i am an indian too :) |
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| 16:51.14 | mib_1lxq9iqh | but devvrat , there are no body in that channel |
| 16:51.45 | Gaurav___ | mib_1lxq9iqh: what happend man |
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| 16:57.54 | devvrat | mib_1lxq9iqh: seen your msg now....there are 31 people in there...but probabaly everybody will be afk |
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| 17:02.46 | rwatson | mib_1lxq9iqh: did you get your missing application sorted out? |
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| 17:03.38 | olegfink | is there such a thing as a comment on public review? or I, as the author of a proposal, can only leave comments to the proposal itself? |
| 17:03.47 | vinod | How can i know whether my application was submitted successfully?? |
| 17:03.59 | olegfink | in confused by the comment entry form being above public reviews section |
| 17:04.20 | codestasher | ask in your organization channel @ vinod |
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| 17:07.03 | olegfink | so, what is the right way to reply to a review? |
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| 17:35.53 | firesoul | <durinbot> Hi. I've never seen you before in #gsoc, so I just wanted to ask that you check the FAQ and userguide before asking questions. |
| 17:35.53 | firesoul | <durinbot> FAQ: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 17:35.53 | firesoul | <durinbot> Guide: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 17:35.53 | firesoul | <durinbot> By the way, I'm a bot, so I can't respond to you. |
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| 17:36.47 | lut4rp | firesoul, that happens if you visit this channel the first time. |
| 17:37.11 | skbohra | it used to be a pm earlier I guess |
| 17:39.10 | firesoul | i changed my nick thats all |
| 17:39.10 | firesoul | :P |
| 17:39.18 | lut4rp | it still is a pm. |
| 17:40.47 | ajuonline | skbohra: it is a pm. |
| 17:41.15 | ajuonline | waves at the smartass |
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| 17:42.30 | firesoul | pm who |what ? |
| 17:43.01 | lut4rp | firesoul, durinbot said that to you in a pm, right? |
| 17:43.55 | firesoul | personal message you mean !! |
| 17:44.09 | ankitg | firesoul: pm = personal message |
| 17:44.26 | lut4rp | yes, that's what i mean. |
| 17:44.36 | firesoul | yup figured that out ankitg |
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| 17:46.50 | firesoul | the channel members are exactly 500 |
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| 17:47.35 | firesoul | lets make it less !! |
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| 17:47.47 | firesoul | there it goes |
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| 17:54.16 | kblin | !timeline |
| 17:54.17 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:54.37 | rolly1975 | !next |
| 17:54.37 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 17:58.38 | straszheim | !invalid |
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| 18:03.47 | Blackhat | !next |
| 18:03.47 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 18:05.00 | sanjiv | !stats |
| 18:05.00 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 18:08.20 | Stivo | about those stats: how does it assign genders to nicks? |
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| 18:19.50 | NicDumZ | wants the gmail team(s) to create user groups so that known open sources devs can report efficiently bugs instead of answering the generic public form |
| 18:20.22 | NicDumZ | I'm not really serious, but... yeah. |
| 18:20.32 | danderson | wouldn't work |
| 18:20.41 | danderson | opening such a forum would attract the idiots as well |
| 18:20.44 | danderson | SNR would be zero |
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| 18:21.21 | danderson | not even considering that even well known open source people can be arrogant assholes at times. |
| 18:21.35 | danderson | and thus should never be allowed to communicate directly with anyone :P |
| 18:21.42 | NicDumZ | I know, that's why I can't be serious :) |
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| 18:22.25 | NicDumZ | I guess the nice OSS guys still spend the time to report bugs throught the inefficent interface :) |
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| 18:23.35 | rwatson | speaking of which, is it a bug or a a feature that the mentor approval process is a three-way handshake instead of a two-way handshake? |
| 18:23.52 | danderson | #melange for such questions |
| 18:24.03 | rwatson | (right now it's request, invite, accept, but perhaps just request and accept would go a bit faster?) |
| 18:24.23 | rwatson | -> #melange |
| 18:24.40 | danderson | (don't mean to be rude, just efficiently redirecting you to the devs :) |
| 18:24.45 | NicDumZ | "Please list any other toolbars or browser extensions you have installed" rahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:25.25 | NicDumZ | :) |
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| 18:25.51 | NicDumZ | gni. submitted. |
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| 18:26.15 | atul15 | !next |
| 18:26.15 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 18:26.30 | danderson | NicDumZ: out of curiosity, what are you reporting? |
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| 18:50.43 | homunq | I have a student claiming that they got their proposal in before the deadline, but I never saw it. |
| 18:50.56 | homunq | It is not anywhere, not even in "ineligible". |
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| 18:51.51 | dhaun | homunq: ask nicely in #melange if they can locate it in the system? |
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| 18:51.55 | homunq | Has anyone else seen this? Is this plausible? I find it somewhat plausible; I do know that this proposal was finished several days before the deadline. |
| 18:52.52 | dmb | Kraln, you doing gsoc this year? |
| 18:55.52 | hypa7ia | homunq: doesn't sound terribly plausible to me |
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| 18:58.36 | mib_kozt1527 | #boost-soc |
| 19:01.05 | dmitrig01 | lh: ping |
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| 19:15.38 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 19:21.00 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 19:21.16 | Traverl111 | can you check for it now? |
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| 19:23.05 | homunq | lh, I sent you an email about the case of a student who made a "document" instead of a "proposal" on melange. I don't want to plead for it, probably the easiest is to say "no", but I do want to give them a fair hearing and apply Google's policy; I haven't seen this particular circumstance discussed, so I asked you. If you're here, you can respond now and save yourself the email. "Yes" is complicated, but for "no" one word suffices. |
| 19:24.07 | Traverl111 | who are you talking to? |
| 19:24.32 | homunq | Don't you see the l . h . at the beginning of my message? |
| 19:24.35 | Catfish_Man | Traverl111: lh is in charge of summer of code |
| 19:25.02 | Traverl111 | what is melange? |
| 19:25.03 | Ivanovic | Traverl111: basically to "the boss" |
| 19:25.17 | Catfish_Man | melange is the summer of code webapp used for almost everything |
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| 19:25.30 | homunq | Catfish_Man: personally, I prefer not to use her handle when talking about her rather than to her. That way, she has an easier time skimming the backlog. |
| 19:25.38 | Traverl111 | why dont you just reject him |
| 19:25.47 | Catfish_Man | homunq: true :) |
| 19:26.23 | Catfish_Man | Traverl111: because rejecting students due to minor and understandable mistakes would be unfortunate, although it *may* be necessary |
| 19:26.30 | danderson | should write a gmail labs plugin to detect bozos |
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| 19:26.48 | danderson | and prevent me from responding to them |
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| 19:27.39 | Traverl111 | you guys start ranking students now? |
| 19:28.48 | Ivanovic | Traverl111: depends all on the orgs |
| 19:29.12 | Ivanovic | that is at wesnoth we have done the first round of comments and ranking and are now waiting for reaction by the students on our comments |
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| 19:31.59 | Traverl111 | you mean students can still change their proposal based on comments? |
| 19:32.20 | Traverl111 | why you guys still waiting for rection by students.can't you just reject them if they are not qualified? |
| 19:32.54 | Mkop2 | sometimes they might want to ask the student for more details on how they're planning to do the project, to determine if they're qualified or not |
| 19:33.18 | Murmuria | or suggest an alternate approach |
| 19:33.35 | Murmuria | or ask for clarifications on the timeline |
| 19:33.38 | Traverl111 | to be honest for some parts, students have to get started so that they know what they need to do more research on. |
| 19:34.05 | Traverl111 | they couldn't predict what to do unless they already get started |
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| 19:36.48 | Traverl111 | from what i know, they mostly focus on the quality of proposal rather than coding skills |
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| 19:40.02 | nuba | it also enables space travel and prescience |
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| 19:47.08 | Upthorn | nuba has stumbled onto Spice? |
| 19:47.53 | danderson | anyone happen to know a place where I could get a frequently updated exchange rate data, in a machine-friendly form? |
| 19:48.09 | Corsix | scrape xe.com ? |
| 19:48.15 | hypa7ia | google? hehe |
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| 19:49.17 | danderson | yeah, without scraping. |
| 19:49.18 | bitner | danderson: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/features.html#currency |
| 19:49.21 | danderson | That's the machine-friendly part. |
| 19:49.32 | danderson | I want the raw data. |
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| 19:49.35 | danderson | Not a query interface. |
| 19:50.06 | Corsix | you want the raw data, and for free? |
| 19:50.10 | Corsix | good luck with that |
| 19:50.22 | olegfink | and without scraping? (why, by the way?) |
| 19:50.26 | ninadsp | danderson: try using the api of google finance... that what you want? |
| 19:50.34 | danderson | that was my impression too, but it can't hurt to ask. |
| 19:50.46 | danderson | ninadsp: I want to be able to convert currencies. :-) |
| 19:50.56 | Corsix | as the XE.com datafeed would probably do you, but it isn't free |
| 19:51.08 | thomastc | danderson: http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html#dev perhaps? though it's only for euro |
| 19:51.36 | ninadsp | danderson: i guess you will be around for sometime..... right? |
| 19:51.57 | danderson | thomastc: nice! That should do it, cheers |
| 19:52.02 | danderson | ninadsp: what do you mean? |
| 19:52.14 | ninadsp | ohh... if its done, then great |
| 19:52.41 | ninadsp | otherwise i was going to go through a few sites to see if i knew what you wanted.. |
| 19:52.47 | ninadsp | :) |
| 19:53.10 | danderson | heh |
| 19:53.15 | nuba | Upthorn: ive read half of the dune books, this talk of melange got me itching to read the rest |
| 19:53.34 | danderson | the basic idea is that I want to write an app that accepts input values in many currencies |
| 19:53.43 | thomastc | ah... dune. Read it thrice, you make me want to read it again :) |
| 19:53.48 | danderson | and internally converts to harmonize the data internally |
| 19:53.59 | Upthorn | oh, I did hit enter on that line. I thought I just left it sitting in my edit box. |
| 19:54.03 | thomastc | danderson: http://apptools.com/phptools/xml/currency/howto.php might be useful too, if you're coding php |
| 19:54.05 | danderson | which requires knowledge of exchange rates :) |
| 19:54.45 | danderson | thomastc: thanks, but I'm coding in app engine. The link you gave is awesome though, exactly what I needed. |
| 19:54.59 | danderson | now if only that cronjob-on-appengine feature was ready... |
| 19:55.14 | danderson | running update_exchange_rates.py daily is exactly what I need here :) |
| 19:55.17 | kblin | brlcad: ping |
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| 20:00.09 | ninadsp | thomastc: great link :) |
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| 20:03.57 | danderson | do you folks know of any currency which doesn't use centiles for fractions of a unit? |
| 20:04.11 | danderson | eg. where 1 <currency unit> = 42 <fraction currency unit> ? |
| 20:04.33 | danderson | I can't find any off hand. 1$ = 100 cents, 1⬠= 100 cents, 1CHF = 100 rappen... |
| 20:04.54 | Erant | Integer currency. Hmm |
| 20:05.08 | Erant | yen? |
| 20:05.36 | Erant | Yeah |
| 20:05.49 | danderson | apparently there are subunits, but I'm not sure if they're used |
| 20:05.52 | Erant | http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yen |
| 20:05.59 | Erant | Euh |
| 20:06.00 | Erant | Wrong one |
| 20:06.19 | t0ms | danderson: HUF? |
| 20:06.23 | Erant | Hmm |
| 20:06.27 | t0ms | (not sure about it) |
| 20:06.39 | Erant | Coins in denominations of less than 1 yen became invalid on December 31, 1953, following enforcement of the Small Currency Disposition and Fractional Rounding in Payments Act |
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| 20:06.52 | Erant | So yen is integer :) |
| 20:06.57 | danderson | aha, cool |
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| 20:07.08 | danderson | so that one is okay, I can handle integer currencies :) |
| 20:07.13 | danderson | t0ms: hungarian? |
| 20:07.15 | kenny47 | t0ms: I think HUF don't have any subunits |
| 20:07.56 | danderson | 1 HUF = 100 fillér, so I'm good |
| 20:08.01 | t0ms | danderson: ah, ok |
| 20:08.01 | kenny47 | t0ms: my fault, it has, but 100... |
| 20:08.10 | danderson | plus, fillér are no longer in circulation since 1999, so woot :) |
| 20:08.29 | Erant | danderson: Whatchu doing? |
| 20:09.13 | danderson | trying to model, as simply as possible, an income or expense |
| 20:09.19 | t0ms | I thought they do not use them, as 100 SKK were more than ~300 HUFs as I remember it. I don't know the exchange rate after conversion to EUR |
| 20:09.21 | danderson | simply == not banking-proof |
| 20:09.53 | danderson | just enough to enable reasonably accurate tracking of monies |
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| 20:11.17 | danderson | so, I needed a currency conversion tool to allow input in various currencies (even if they're all normalized to the user's preference internally), and I need to know if my currency representation is flexible enough |
| 20:11.28 | danderson | or if I'm going to have to do mad stuff instead of easy summing |
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| 20:12.24 | kenny47 | danderson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies |
| 20:12.39 | z4chh | are there stats anywhere yet to the number of proposals submitted? what about the number submitted to a given org? |
| 20:13.01 | kenny47 | danderson: Mauritanian ouguiya into divided into 5..something |
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| 20:14.19 | danderson | okay, so dinars, Malagasy ariarym, Mauritanian ouguiya, and Vietnamese Äá»ng won't work :( |
| 20:14.35 | danderson | hmm, though the vietnamese one would, it's just a user input issue |
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| 20:17.40 | danderson | huh, there is a currency called PHP |
| 20:17.48 | thiago_home | from philippines? |
| 20:18.03 | danderson | yup |
| 20:18.09 | codelearner | !numapps |
| 20:18.10 | socinfo | "numapps" is (#1) This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam ., or (#2) There are 3500 students, 5900 proposals and please dont blog about this until after our announcement on monday. |
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| 20:18.30 | imem | Hello, I have a problem, I was using gsoc account with my email which wasn't gmail. Then I've created account on gmail and gsoc page doesn't recognize me anymore. Anyone can help me ? |
| 20:18.56 | Mkop2 | imem: log out, then log back in using your correct account |
| 20:19.02 | thiago_home | log out and log back in with your old account |
| 20:19.24 | imem | but it doesn't working |
| 20:19.31 | Mkop2 | what does it do? |
| 20:19.34 | imem | gsoc force me to gmail account |
| 20:19.50 | imem | despite I'm logging with an old account |
| 20:20.41 | imem | sorry I've never used gmail before |
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| 20:22.49 | Mkop2 | if you click log out, or sign in as a different user, it should forget your gmail account entirely |
| 20:22.57 | hypa7ia | imem: you can use a google account with non-gmail email |
| 20:23.01 | hypa7ia | i'm doing that too |
| 20:23.09 | hypa7ia | log in with your original email address |
| 20:24.58 | thiago_home | even has two of those |
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| 20:26.38 | imem | it doesn't working :( |
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| 20:28.27 | hypa7ia | :/ |
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| 20:29.57 | kblin | imem: nuke your cookies and try again? |
| 20:32.11 | imem | not working either |
| 20:32.34 | imem | I think gmail override my old account |
| 20:32.55 | imem | overwrite* |
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| 20:46.28 | Mkop2 | no, it wouldn't have overwritten |
| 20:47.39 | Mkop2 | try from another browser or another computer |
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| 20:49.31 | imem | Are you sure ? |
| 20:50.09 | imem | mayby then my gsoc account was wiped out :| |
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| 20:56.50 | eren89 | hey guys |
| 20:57.27 | eren89 | is that really true? |
| 20:57.36 | eren89 | i mean the applications that are closed now |
| 20:57.39 | Catfish_Man | correct |
| 20:57.47 | eren89 | any possibility to apply for it now? |
| 20:57.54 | Corsix | no |
| 20:57.57 | Catfish_Man | nope, not until next year |
| 20:58.01 | eren89 | oh god fuck :( |
| 20:58.14 | eren89 | i just realized that are closd |
| 20:58.58 | Ivanovic | you can still work with open source projects as "fun task" (without payment) |
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| 20:59.12 | eren89 | sure :) |
| 20:59.25 | bobbens | Ivanovic: yeah, but that's what the other 9 months of the year are for :) |
| 20:59.25 | Ivanovic | this will probably help you when trying to get into SoC next year |
| 20:59.27 | eren89 | you guys gonna earn some money with these ? |
| 20:59.42 | Catfish_Man | is not participating this year, so no |
| 20:59.49 | eren89 | oh ok |
| 21:00.01 | eren89 | really cool stuff i think |
| 21:00.02 | Ivanovic | is org admin, so not really earning money with it |
| 21:00.11 | eren89 | next year , i probably apply it |
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| 21:02.59 | Catfish_Man | downloads the latest wesnoth release |
| 21:03.03 | Catfish_Man | looks like some nice changes :) |
| 21:03.41 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: *many* nice changes |
| 21:04.19 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: you might like the new portraits ingame |
| 21:04.54 | Ivanovic | that is: i love them... http://www.wesnoth.org/images/sshots/wesnoth-1.6-5.jpg |
| 21:05.23 | monsieurp | !next |
| 21:05.23 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
| 21:05.24 | Catfish_Man | very nice :D |
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| 21:05.59 | Catfish_Man | it's come a long long way from when I photoshopped a few of the portraits to correct anatomy and perspective issues that were bothering me ;) |
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| 21:07.23 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: by now we have several really highly talented portrait artists |
| 21:07.30 | Catfish_Man | no kidding |
| 21:07.37 | Catfish_Man | it shows :) |
| 21:07.46 | kblin | goes to steal some ;) |
| 21:08.01 | Ivanovic | kblin: no way, we do protect our artists |
| 21:08.10 | Catfish_Man | good artists are really annoyingly hard to find in OSS |
| 21:08.16 | danderson | hmm, how about I go waste some time playing wesnoth :) |
| 21:08.25 | kblin | Catfish_Man: tell me about it.. :) |
| 21:08.35 | Ivanovic | danderson: cu next week |
| 21:08.36 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:08.45 | Catfish_Man | kblin: we're going to need to track down an icon designer for adium 1.4 :/ |
| 21:08.53 | Catfish_Man | hoping one of our previous contributors will have a spare moment for us |
| 21:09.00 | Ivanovic | ugh, icon design |
| 21:09.39 | Ivanovic | one of the tasks that often ends with a coder doing a "temporary solution" that stays in the final product because noone steps up to create a better icon |
| 21:10.07 | Ivanovic | this lead to some of our coders now creating *extra bad* icons when a new icon was required |
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| 21:10.27 | Catfish_Man | yeah |
| 21:10.34 | Ivanovic | with the result that the eyes of some of our artists eventually start bleeding and they are maybe willing to create a better version |
| 21:10.34 | Catfish_Man | we just reuse icons from other parts of the app for temp ones |
| 21:10.44 | Catfish_Man | I wonder if I should try your approach instead, heh |
| 21:11.08 | Ivanovic | (we also had those temp icons in final releases, too!!!) |
| 21:11.19 | Ivanovic | so it is not a quick solution and it has to be *really bad* |
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| 21:12.23 | kblin | Ivanovic: yeah.. shaming artists into doing something better.. that's really good coder art ;) |
| 21:12.30 | kblin | but it works |
| 21:12.38 | kblin | that's how I got a web designer interested in wombat :) |
| 21:12.55 | Ivanovic | kblin: i think that is the *only* way that works |
| 21:13.43 | Ivanovic | (unless the coder is also a good artist and has much time) |
| 21:14.02 | kblin | haha, yeah, right |
| 21:14.05 | Catfish_Man | hahaha. Competent OSS coder AND artist having time? |
| 21:14.07 | Ivanovic | though i think this type of human does basically not exist |
| 21:14.33 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: exactly |
| 21:14.33 | kblin | we had one of these once |
| 21:14.44 | Ivanovic | kblin: wow? |
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| 21:14.51 | Ivanovic | what happened to this one? |
| 21:14.51 | kblin | apart from the fact that he wrote code only he could fix, it wasn't too bad |
| 21:14.56 | Ivanovic | have you bunred him out? |
| 21:14.57 | kblin | until he left |
| 21:15.28 | kblin | then we were stuck with a maintenance nightmare for the tool that guy wrote |
| 21:15.37 | kblin | we still don't have a replacement |
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| 21:15.49 | danderson | can I report a bug in wesnoth? Who was a wesnothie here? :P |
| 21:16.00 | Ivanovic | danderson: bugs.wesnoth.org |
| 21:16.11 | Ivanovic | just leave it in the tracker and i'll ask esr to have a look at it |
| 21:16.14 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:16.17 | danderson | hehe |
| 21:16.32 | danderson | I'll first play a bit, then check out the code and see if I can fix it |
| 21:16.41 | Ivanovic | yeah, patches are even better |
| 21:16.47 | Ivanovic | those should go to patches.wesnoth.org |
| 21:16.55 | danderson | it's pretty trivial and due to my weird window manager (xmonad) |
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| 21:17.16 | Ivanovic | (since we like to miss stuff attached to bugs since bugs are made to keep them around and just don't look at them) |
| 21:17.43 | Ivanovic | wheras patches are a case of "great, someone else has done the work for us, lovely" |
| 21:17.45 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 21:18.19 | Catfish_Man | Ivanovic: well, sometimes. Sometimes they hit that wonderful point where they're just good enough to be a good starting point, but just bad enough that getting them commit-worthy is more work than writing it would have been ;) |
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| 21:18.58 | kblin | sighs |
| 21:19.07 | Ivanovic | Catfish_Man: though in general it is more often "good start", so this is not too bad, better than having to investigate in the matter all yourself |
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| 21:21.12 | *** topic/#gsoc is Student Applications are now Closed - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 21:22.02 | Catfish_Man | kblin: have you like, not been on the internet for a year? :P |
| 21:22.14 | Catfish_Man | http://labs.mininova.org/canvas/ |
| 21:22.20 | Corsix | HTML 5 canvas tag baby |
| 21:22.24 | kblin | Catfish_Man: I avoid webdesign like the plague |
| 21:22.46 | Catfish_Man | (it was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek suggestion, since no IE support :( ) |
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| 21:23.41 | kblin | shrugs |
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| 21:28.16 | kblin | "If fallback content is desired, some CSS tricks must be employed to mask the fallback content from Safari (which should render just the canvas), and also to mask the CSS tricks themselves from IE (which should render the fallback content)." |
| 21:28.20 | kblin | bleh |
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| 21:29.51 | Ivanovic | okay, really should go to bed now, n8 |
| 21:29.56 | Ivanovic | kblin: good luck with that stuff |
| 21:29.57 | Catfish_Man | 'night Ivanovic |
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| 21:38.54 | VDVsx | lh, danderson , could you please send a warning to GSoC mailing list about the project updates subscriptions, seems that some student in my org didn't subscribed to the project updates and seems that it happened in other orgs too :( |
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| 21:41.56 | typ0 | I don't know why the system does not subscribe to updates by default |
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| 21:49.45 | VDVsx | typ0, don't know, IMO the students are the most interested part here, so they should receive auto-notifications without other actions, like last year |
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| 22:07.43 | cwant | Hey all, I'm an admin for an organization, and I'm looking for an "assign mentor" form field for applications, which is mentioned in the documentation. Can't find it though. Am I blind, or is that something that will appear later? |
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| 22:09.20 | VDVsx | cwant, inside the proposal below the comments box |
| 22:09.23 | cwant | aw shoot, I am blind -- see it now. nohting to see here .... |
| 22:09.37 | cwant | VDVsx: thanks, yeah |
| 22:09.55 | cwant | last year it was a pulldown, and was looking for that |
| 22:10.13 | danderson | bah, I fail at wesnoth |
| 22:10.16 | danderson | bloody elves |
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| 22:24.43 | kblin | meh, sort of works |
| 22:25.14 | skiquel | hi |
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| 22:33.14 | phrame | !next |
| 22:33.14 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 22:36.00 | brlcad | kblin: pong |
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| 22:47.46 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. |
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| 23:09.00 | lnanek | http://code.google.com/p/explorercanvas/ can fake canvas support in IE for some things |
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| 23:54.02 | mib_3w6pi9fg | #boost |
| 23:54.28 | mib_3w6pi9fg | #boost-soc |
| 23:55.32 | danderson | sigh |
| 23:55.38 | danderson | 2 hours later, 1 campaign finished |
| 23:55.45 | danderson | I fail at time management :P |
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| 23:56.22 | tcoppi | \:D/ for wasted time playing video games |
| 23:56.52 | Landon | tcoppi:totally |
| 23:56.57 | Landon | finished super paper mario this morning |
| 23:57.25 | tcoppi | hah |
