| 00:00.18 | e1z0 | ah, cool |
| 00:00.27 | e1z0 | its window manager for mobile ? |
| 00:01.33 | lcuk | no, x11 was too slow on this device for me, its from the ground up writing to the yuv overlay |
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| 00:02.31 | e1z0 | ah, i dont know what the hell is this but it sounds cool |
| 00:02.40 | e1z0 | and looks cool |
| 00:02.58 | e1z0 | keep this nice work! |
| 00:02.59 | e1z0 | :-) |
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| 00:03.29 | lcuk | i intend to, i just wanted to make it work like i always thought a touch device should |
| 00:04.42 | z4chh | :D |
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| 00:04.56 | e1z0 | :O |
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| 00:08.12 | l0nwlf_ | lcuk: the video is nice :D |
| 00:09.19 | lcuk | l0nwlf_, the video is simply the first step. i hope to build a rich set of applications using the principles I am putting in place |
| 00:10.02 | summatusmentis | hi lcuk |
| 00:10.03 | lcuk | since that video was released I have been solidyfing a lot of the code (theres still a tonne left!) and bringing in the proper elements |
| 00:10.09 | lcuk | hiya summatusmentis \o |
| 00:11.43 | l0nwlf_ | lcuk: The moving of windows was looking awesome , yours is one project I'll want to get through :) |
| 00:12.04 | summatusmentis | lcuk: you're too old to be a student yes? mentor? |
| 00:13.09 | lcuk | i was approached recently by a student called z4chh (who i notice is in here), and he has a desire to help me over the summer :) |
| 00:13.21 | z4chh | :o |
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| 00:14.16 | lcuk | so yeah, mentor - but all this is new to me as well, i will be getting help from some of the other maemo gsoc mentors :) |
| 00:14.25 | summatusmentis | fair enough :) |
| 00:14.26 | lcuk | hopefully |
| 00:14.35 | lcuk | crosses fingers and all that |
| 00:16.09 | summatusmentis | I have to admit, iqbase was cool when I was playing with it lcuk |
| 00:16.55 | summatusmentis | and at that point, it was an ebook reader and a graffitti board |
| 00:17.23 | lcuk | it will be again, but this time you can decide what you want |
| 00:17.32 | lcuk | everything is modular |
| 00:17.40 | summatusmentis | is it a browser yet? |
| 00:17.45 | z4chh | no yet |
| 00:17.45 | z4chh | :D |
| 00:17.47 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:17.47 | z4chh | not* |
| 00:18.19 | lcuk | baby steps summatusmentis :) but a good book reader should know how to understand and display html ;) |
| 00:18.33 | z4chh | summatusmentis, i wanted to join the liqbase team because i wanted to build a system/network monitor :) |
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| 00:19.10 | summatusmentis | lcuk: psh, baby steps are for non-gsoc devs |
| 00:19.24 | summatusmentis | we don't have time for baby steps :-D |
| 00:20.25 | lcuk | so what, should i think big? http://liqbase.net/holymoly.png |
| 00:20.30 | Landon | I have some gouda! |
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| 01:12.56 | straydawg | lo |
| 01:13.33 | summatusmentis | hi |
| 01:13.48 | summatusmentis | howsit? |
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| 01:14.16 | Landon | howzi |
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| 01:16.17 | summatusmentis | Landon! put a VM on your eee, run it, and tell me how it goes |
| 01:16.30 | summatusmentis | NOW!!! |
| 01:16.40 | summatusmentis | (or, you know, don't) |
| 01:16.46 | Landon | hah |
| 01:16.50 | Landon | why would I do that |
| 01:16.58 | Landon | I'm going to install jaunty on it though |
| 01:16.59 | Landon | see how that goes |
| 01:17.02 | Landon | fresh install |
| 01:17.12 | Landon | only copying over a couple of my ~ files |
| 01:17.18 | Landon | pain, but needs to be done |
| 01:17.21 | summatusmentis | why would you do that? for eee evangelization purposes |
| 01:17.29 | Landon | maybe it'll fix some speed issues I had |
| 01:17.51 | Landon | thatd be like saying the eee can play games :P |
| 01:17.56 | Landon | st00pid |
| 01:18.08 | summatusmentis | I want one, but I need a windows VM for SoC |
| 01:18.29 | Landon | can't RDP into a windows machine |
| 01:18.29 | Landon | ? :P |
| 01:18.55 | Landon | I wish these files would transfer quicker so I can get to putting jaunty on here |
| 01:19.02 | Landon | encrypted home directories++++ |
| 01:19.28 | summatusmentis | well, I don't have a windows machine |
| 01:20.06 | summatusmentis | s'pose I could dual-boot it |
| 01:20.35 | summatusmentis | I want eee for full time, and I can't afford it w/out seeling macbook :-/ |
| 01:21.11 | Landon | yeah ;\ |
| 01:21.57 | summatusmentis | mah moneyz be gone :( |
| 01:23.15 | Landon | most of mine too |
| 01:23.20 | Landon | hopes my parents are doing my taxes |
| 01:23.34 | Landon | speaking of not having money :P |
| 01:23.39 | summatusmentis | I'm calling my parents on sunday to do taxes :) |
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| 01:23.57 | Landon | (hopefully they pay it too :P but that might be a little much to hope) |
| 01:24.25 | nsquare | :P |
| 01:24.39 | summatusmentis | I'm asking the same thing, but i doubt it :( assuming I get into GSoC, I'll need moneys asap |
| 01:25.21 | Landon | hasnt checked his bank account in a while |
| 01:25.25 | Landon | I'm trusting its in the hundreds atm |
| 01:25.25 | summatusmentis | mah situationz be wers den I thawt |
| 01:25.53 | summatusmentis | taxes are so expensive for GSoC money |
| 01:26.07 | JeffM | welcome to having a job ;) |
| 01:26.38 | Landon | :P |
| 01:27.12 | summatusmentis | forget that noise, I wanna go back to living in ignorance, and having my parents pay for things |
| 01:27.35 | JeffM | the wish of all children ;) |
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| 01:27.57 | nsquare | guys, the mentor of one of my proposal has asked me to do some programming task :S |
| 01:28.02 | summatusmentis | I'm also to the point where I want to go to school foreer, so I don't have to pay off student loans |
| 01:28.09 | Landon | :P |
| 01:28.13 | JeffM | nsquare: and... |
| 01:28.17 | Landon | you got subsidized loans? |
| 01:28.23 | summatusmentis | nsquare: I'm submitting a patch to my org too |
| 01:28.26 | summatusmentis | Landon: yeah |
| 01:28.29 | Landon | lucky :P |
| 01:28.40 | Landon | on top of basically no scholarships, I wasn't offered any subsidized loans either :\ |
| 01:28.44 | summatusmentis | I got a pretty good finaid package |
| 01:28.53 | JeffM | some of our highly reanked students are kicking butt fixing bugs right now |
| 01:28.56 | nsquare | I was sitting idle whole day :| and now i have some other work :( |
| 01:29.00 | summatusmentis | I got a scholarship, some grants, and subsidized loans |
| 01:29.08 | Landon | I've submitted a feature patch and a bugfix to the org I applied to |
| 01:29.09 | nsquare | but atleast i have 2 days |
| 01:29.31 | summatusmentis | my org wanted to just get a sense of our skills, the patch didn't have to be useful |
| 01:29.35 | JeffM | puting it off till the end may not look good for you |
| 01:30.17 | summatusmentis | I think orgs understand being busy |
| 01:30.24 | summatusmentis | that said, don't put it off |
| 01:30.31 | summatusmentis | but do it when you ahve time |
| 01:30.36 | summatusmentis | have* |
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| 01:30.58 | JeffM | being busy and telling them such, is a lot different then slacking and busting it out in the last hour ;) |
| 01:31.04 | nsquare | JeffM: yes. another all nighter :( |
| 01:31.14 | nsquare | I was hoping atleast today i'll get some sleep :P |
| 01:31.20 | summatusmentis | JeffM: that's clear :) |
| 01:31.36 | JeffM | summatusmentis: not to all students |
| 01:31.48 | JeffM | we had a lot come in right before the deadline and slap together completly crapy apps |
| 01:31.59 | summatusmentis | well, there's a difference between being busy and just wasting time |
| 01:32.25 | JeffM | depends what you are doing when you are busy and when you are wasting times |
| 01:32.42 | JeffM | I think some of the meetings I go to are wastes of time, but I am techincaly "busy" during them ;) |
| 01:32.51 | summatusmentis | well, yes |
| 01:33.10 | JeffM | it's mostly about communication with your org |
| 01:33.27 | summatusmentis | but you're also obligated to be there |
| 01:33.28 | nsquare | curses the mentor for not giving programming task earlier today :P :P |
| 01:33.49 | summatusmentis | crap, 6% battery, ttfn |
| 01:33.58 | nsquare | and hopes that the mentor is not around ;) |
| 01:34.16 | JeffM | talk to them, tell them what is going on |
| 01:34.22 | JeffM | I'm sure they will understand |
| 01:34.43 | JeffM | SOC is not a torture test for anyone |
| 01:35.12 | nsquare | naah, i cant postpone it. next week is going to be more hectic |
| 01:35.25 | nsquare | quiz + course project deadline |
| 01:36.01 | nsquare | so, i should start working :) |
| 01:37.08 | JeffM | is glad he's an uneducated dolt |
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| 02:39.08 | ojwb | comm, but this isn't really the place to ask such questions |
| 02:39.51 | Ori_B | madant: cat filea fileb | sort | uniq -d | wc -l |
| 02:40.02 | Ori_B | assuming that the numbers in the file aren't duplicated |
| 02:40.38 | Ori_B | if they are, I'd do an awk script |
| 02:40.56 | madant | Ori_B: thanks, no the numbers are not duplicated :) |
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| 02:41.45 | madant | Ori_B: uniq was exactly the thing i was looking for ;) |
| 02:42.05 | Ori_B | oh, right. ojwb actually gave you a better solution |
| 02:42.08 | Ori_B | forgot about comm |
| 02:42.24 | ojwb | many people do |
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| 02:46.39 | madant | hmm.. comm -1 -2 fa fb|wc -l and the sort uniq comb gives different numbers O.o |
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| 02:47.02 | madant | and comm even complains that the file is not sorted whereas i think it is :D |
| 02:47.35 | Ori_B | oh. sort -n if it's numbers |
| 02:47.59 | Ori_B | and I'm betting comm has the same issue; it's expecting textual sort |
| 02:48.03 | Ori_B | instead of numerical |
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| 04:29.27 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 04:29.48 | JonCruz | sorry. couldn't resist any longer |
| 04:30.13 | josegabriel | hello world |
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| 06:27.24 | jorrit | Hi |
| 06:27.36 | MaNI | hello |
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| 06:33.30 | anirudh | !slots |
| 06:33.31 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 06:50.13 | kblin | kicks sqlalchemy |
| 06:50.28 | kblin | durnit |
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| 07:25.03 | JonCruz | http://codewideopen.blogspot.com/2009/04/whats-on-my-bookshelf.html |
| 07:25.28 | JonCruz | Some students I talked with at CSULA asked for that info |
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| 07:26.38 | Landon | D |
| 07:26.40 | Landon | D: |
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| 07:27.20 | kblin | ah, crap, I can't come up with a good filter for this damn thing.. |
| 07:27.30 | thebolt | hi |
| 07:27.39 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 07:27.51 | Landon | interesting list, JonCruz |
| 07:28.04 | Landon | fire = no good though |
| 07:28.09 | arma | joncruz: wow. that's quite the printer picture. |
| 07:28.29 | Landon | has enough books to cause literacy in a micronation |
| 07:28.59 | thebolt | Landon: something like that for me as well.. |
| 07:29.19 | thebolt | although right now most of them are in boxes some 15000km away :P |
| 07:29.31 | Landon | :P |
| 07:29.37 | Landon | mine are mostly scifi |
| 07:29.50 | Landon | but a good portion of the space is taken up by tech books/textbooks/older tech books |
| 07:29.58 | Landon | working in the CIS department has its perks |
| 07:30.15 | Landon | like noticing when the professors clean out their offices and set up the Free Books table |
| 07:30.29 | thebolt | hehe |
| 07:30.45 | Landon | I have an (albeit older) copy of the dinosaur book from that |
| 07:30.56 | Landon | and a few random titles that I would never have spent money on |
| 07:30.58 | thebolt | i bought all my books.. much of it is taken up by "geek-litterature" though.. physics/maths/engineering/comp.sci stuff |
| 07:31.04 | Landon | like networking protocols |
| 07:31.21 | JonCruz | arma: yeah, you should have seen it in person |
| 07:31.23 | thebolt | but also a good couple fo meters shelf-space is pocket (and a few hardback) versions of classics |
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| 07:32.10 | Landon | hm I wonder where I put my pictures of my books |
| 07:32.14 | Landon | I ran out of shelf :( |
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| 07:32.20 | Landon | so I save that for books I've read and are known good |
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| 07:33.28 | thebolt | shelf-space is like harddrive space |
| 07:33.33 | thebolt | bretty cheap to buy more :P |
| 07:33.41 | thebolt | (at least cheaper than buying the content for it) |
| 07:33.47 | kblin | thebolt: |
| 07:33.48 | kblin | haha |
| 07:33.51 | Landon | shelf space is also like hard drive space |
| 07:33.56 | Landon | sometimes you just don't have room in your case for more |
| 07:33.57 | Landon | :P |
| 07:34.13 | Landon | http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v371/0/63/1190850004/n1190850004_30223286_7570.jpg unread books |
| 07:34.24 | Landon | + some more under that nightstand and a growing pile infront of it |
| 07:34.28 | kblin | thebolt: it ends up being exepnsive if you need to get an additional room |
| 07:34.46 | Landon | http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v371/0/63/1190850004/n1190850004_30223287_7844.jpg read books on the bookcase, bottom 3 shelves |
| 07:34.50 | MaNI | unlike harddrive space you can't periodically buy a shelf that fits in the same room but can hold more books though |
| 07:34.51 | Landon | unread books on the chair shelf |
| 07:34.52 | Landon | :P |
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| 07:35.09 | JonCruz | BTW... does everyone know of Baen for SciFi? |
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| 07:35.24 | thebolt | kblin: true.. |
| 07:35.32 | Landon | JonCruz: yeah, the type of books they have never really appealed to me though |
| 07:35.36 | thebolt | kblin: right now i am more worried about space for diving eqipment though.. |
| 07:35.45 | thebolt | need to get me another two sets of tanks and put them somehwere :P |
| 07:36.11 | kblin | I haven't used my tank in ages |
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| 07:36.30 | kblin | I alsways fly to my diving vacations, can't take a tank then |
| 07:36.50 | Landon | kblin: or you'd be a terr'rist! |
| 07:37.19 | JonCruz | Landon: you might need specifics. Their free library, including the CDRoms, include quite a range. |
| 07:37.20 | thebolt | kblin: well, mst of my diving is in the close area, or has been and have to be in a while forward ;) |
| 07:37.41 | JonCruz | Though they didn't have quite the funnier Retief books |
| 07:37.48 | Landon | JonCruz: more politics than I usually like in my books :P |
| 07:38.29 | Landon | maybe I should put some time into reading one of them though |
| 07:38.44 | Landon | however, I just don't get the satisfaction out of reading an ebook |
| 07:38.45 | JonCruz | Landon: did you catch the one about the litteral programmer wizard? |
| 07:38.56 | kblin | Landon: no kidding. I had my rebreather in my hand-luggage once (pre 9/11, luckily), and they look pretty much like grenades on X-ray |
| 07:39.13 | Landon | heh |
| 07:39.17 | Landon | one time Iw as flying with my messenger bag |
| 07:39.19 | JonCruz | ebooks can be quite handy on a handheld (phone, palm, ipod) when helping kids settle in for sleep |
| 07:39.21 | Landon | which has lightup strrips on it |
| 07:39.30 | Landon | I got pulled to the side while they asked me about that |
| 07:39.45 | Landon | "Normally we're suspicious about bags with wires all through them leading to a battery pack" |
| 07:39.55 | thebolt | kblin: which unit do you dive? (and you dare doing that.. i don't yet.. to easy to kill oneself :) |
| 07:39.56 | Landon | ah |
| 07:39.59 | Landon | I don't have any handhelds |
| 07:40.04 | Landon | at least nothing suitable for reading an ebook on |
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| 07:41.09 | kblin | thebolt: uh, ETRANSLATION |
| 07:41.18 | kblin | thebolt: I meant regulator, not rebreather |
| 07:41.30 | thebolt | kblin: ah.. thats something different :P |
| 07:41.35 | kblin | yeah, I know |
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| 07:41.50 | thebolt | otoh, i've had friends fly with either (post 9/11) without any problem |
| 07:42.26 | kblin | thebolt: the airline screwed up with my flight, so I had to pass security screening at two airports |
| 07:42.56 | Landon | ok, backing up stuff on my laptop for after I reinstall ubuntu on it |
| 07:43.02 | kblin | thebolt: and I always got to stare at the business end of an mp5 while explaining about how that thing is good for diving |
| 07:43.10 | Landon | am I missing anything? I backed up ~ and some /etc/ files |
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| 07:43.45 | kblin | thebolt: in the checked in luggage it's no problem |
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| 07:43.55 | kblin | Landon: I'd get a list of installed packages |
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| 07:44.30 | sandyleo | ls |
| 07:44.38 | kblin | . |
| 07:44.38 | kblin | .. |
| 07:45.20 | Landon | kblin: aha thanks |
| 07:45.22 | Landon | I always forget that one |
| 07:45.45 | kblin | yeah, same here |
| 07:46.41 | Landon | hopes a fresh install will fix his pam problems |
| 07:48.02 | thebolt | kblin: i'd never put anything like that in checked luggage.. too expensive stuff :P |
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| 07:49.12 | kblin | thebolt: so's my suit, and that'd never fit into the carry-on luggage |
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| 07:51.02 | thebolt | kblin: well, value / $$ determins for me where to put stuff ;) |
| 07:51.02 | thebolt | bah, value / kg |
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| 07:52.46 | c_schmitz | !next |
| 07:52.46 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 07:53.20 | Gaurav___ | !numapps |
| 07:53.20 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
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| 07:55.42 | JonCruz | !next |
| 07:55.42 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 07:55.50 | JonCruz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.19 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 08:25.53 | ajuonline | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kyNGVK-hI |
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| 08:29.57 | ajuonline | dat is aweesome~!~!~! |
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| 08:31.02 | ajuonline | play it loud :P |
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| 10:34.41 | jetru | Hello. I'm a student. I was wondering what college documents I will need for gsoc. Will a "bonafide certificate" which certifies that I'm a student suffice for student prodf? |
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| 10:35.13 | jetru | s/student prodf/proof/ |
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| 10:36.20 | arma | jetru: a fine question. have you looked at the faqs? i think the usual approach is to show a current transcript. |
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| 10:37.20 | jetru | arma: yes, that is what it states. I was just wondering if a bonafide will be alright as well. thanks anyway |
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| 10:38.46 | jetru | Also, I have another question. I will not be in one country during the gsoc period. I have valid work permits in both nations. Will it be possible to change the correspondence address during the gsoc period? Will this matter at all? |
| 10:38.48 | amitav | unchecking "lock screen on resume" does not stop random and sudden screen locking |
| 10:39.29 | arma | jetru: probably, but everybody will be happier (including you) if you can choose some address and use it for the summer. perhaps you have a relative or friend with a fixed address? |
| 10:40.48 | jetru | arma: yes I do. thats a good idea. I will do that then. Hopefully a proxy can receive correspondence? |
| 10:41.08 | arma | jetru: sure. i don't think google cares, so long as you provide some address, and gsoc work gets done |
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| 10:43.04 | jetru | arma: great. Ill provide my parents address then. thanks! |
| 10:43.05 | ninadsp | jetru: i guess you should be asking lh about this... |
| 10:43.36 | jetru | ninadsp: they're asleep right now aren't they? Ill come later in the day and verify anyway |
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| 10:45.14 | ninadsp | jetru: i guess so... leave her a ping/question and she'll reply... |
| 10:45.45 | ajuonline | jetru: usually before shipping out anything, we are asked to check the address, if we have saved it correctly in the system. |
| 10:46.01 | ajuonline | jetru: better, keep an address up-to-date. |
| 10:46.16 | jetru | ajuonline: it is possible to change the address to latest one then? |
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| 10:46.39 | ajuonline | jetru: yeah. you can change it anytime. |
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| 10:46.51 | jetru | ajuonline: great. :) |
| 10:46.55 | ajuonline | the point is, if the change happens after the shipment is made, you know what happens. :D |
| 10:47.19 | ajuonline | they generally pull the latest address that you have saved in your profile, before shipping out. |
| 10:47.20 | jetru | ajuonline: :D |
| 10:47.57 | jetru | do you know if i will need college documents early? because my holidays start in a week and i better get whatever I need |
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| 10:49.38 | arma | jetru: the faq says you only need college documents "if asked". perhaps a previous student here can say whether they were actually asked? |
| 10:51.27 | ajuonline | jetru: do you have a college - id? |
| 10:52.07 | jetru | ajuonline: yes I do. |
| 10:52.42 | ajuonline | jetru: dont worry. :) then, provide with whatever proof of enrollment you havem when asked. |
| 10:53.15 | jetru | ajuonline: :) |
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| 10:57.28 | holger_ | jetru: you will need to provide them to receive payment. |
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| 10:58.01 | holger_ | but faxing your student id card is probably going to be enough |
| 10:58.19 | ajuonline | oh yeah. we had to fax that. with the foreign enrollment form. |
| 10:58.32 | ajuonline | foreign taxx declaration - i mean. |
| 10:58.39 | ajuonline | jetru: i faxed my student id. thats all. |
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| 10:59.12 | jetru | this can be done later in August/Sept in case I dont have the required documents immediately? |
| 11:00.06 | holger_ | jetru: yes. you just won't get any money before. i think i did that after gsoc ended in 2007 because i didn't want the money earlier for tax reasons. |
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| 11:01.22 | jetru | holger_: :) so will I have to provide tax declaration for both countries I will be in? Or only the one where I receive the payment? |
| 11:01.23 | ajuonline | jetru: you dont get the money until you do that. so whenever you do that, you get paid ;) |
| 11:02.00 | ajuonline | jetru: i will tell you what. wait uptil April 20th. And then ask all these in the provate students list :) or dig through the archives. |
| 11:02.04 | ajuonline | for now, just chill :) |
| 11:02.23 | ajuonline | until* |
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| 11:05.21 | jetru | great. it seems pretty flexible. shouldn't have too many problems. thanks guys! |
| 11:08.10 | ochot | jetru: IMO you should only provide tax declaration only for country where your permanent address is |
| 11:08.54 | ochot | jetru: doesn't matter where you are right now, but where you "live", meaning what's in your id/passport |
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| 11:13.30 | jetru | ochot: Thats weird for me. because I'm a permanent resident of USA, but a citizen of India. So I'm a permanent resident in both places...hmm |
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| 11:17.26 | arma | ochot: i'd be surprised if that were true. seems to me you can get paid for working in whatever country you're in, assuming you've got a work permit for that country. and who cares what passport you've got. |
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| 11:19.11 | arma | but anyway, ajuonline is right. wait til the 20th and there will be better people to ask (or it'll be moot) |
| 11:20.22 | EnderMB | arma: If you're talking about GSoc, if you're a non-US resident you can still get paid as long as you fill out the necessary forms. |
| 11:23.50 | jetru | I will do that |
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| 11:26.35 | omniter | hello everyone :) |
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| 11:27.13 | omniter | btw, have the preliminary slot allocations been announced? |
| 11:27.29 | EnderMB | Hey |
| 11:27.57 | EnderMB | You mean this? http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/browse_thread/thread/cad00c5abd9cdc8c?pli=1 |
| 11:28.17 | EnderMB | I'm not sure if this is what you wanted. It's in the channel introduction. |
| 11:28.20 | jetru | omniter: yes. check out the channel topic. :) |
| 11:28.30 | omniter | OH |
| 11:28.34 | omniter | damn LOL! |
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| 11:28.49 | omniter | thank you. i totally didn't see that |
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| 11:29.12 | omniter | and who is that "presentations, meetups, videos" part directed at? |
| 11:29.17 | EnderMB | No problem. |
| 11:29.18 | omniter | orgs or students? |
| 11:29.28 | scorche | people who might be doing the such ;) |
| 11:29.33 | EnderMB | I assume everyone |
| 11:30.15 | omniter | it says "You cannot view the group's content or participate in the group because you are not currently a member. Members must be approved before joining." |
| 11:30.39 | scorche | well, it *is* the mentor's list... |
| 11:30.41 | EnderMB | If you're a mentor you can apply for membership on the page |
| 11:30.49 | omniter | ah |
| 11:30.53 | omniter | i'm not a mentor, heh... |
| 11:31.07 | omniter | so only mentors know the preliminary allocations? |
| 11:31.12 | scorche | then wait patiently till the 20th ;) |
| 11:31.12 | flgr | in theory |
| 11:31.15 | omniter | damn... lol |
| 11:31.20 | scorche | yes...they wouldnt be of much use to students... |
| 11:31.23 | omniter | i thought it was gonna be publicized |
| 11:32.05 | omniter | 9 more days... what should i be doing in this time? |
| 11:32.24 | scorche | writing patches to help boost yourself in the eyes of your mentors! |
| 11:32.34 | omniter | not sure if i can do anything, since i got finals and moving out/in to worry about. =\ |
| 11:33.20 | EnderMB | I know the feeling. In the UK it's almost examination time, so I'm revising instead of working on the project I applied for. |
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| 11:33.53 | jetru | ah same here. Finals start monday. sigh. |
| 11:34.55 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Where abouts in the UK are you based? (Curiosity, I'm in Bristol) |
| 11:35.18 | EnderMB | Bristol too. |
| 11:35.24 | EnderMB | You at UWE or Bristol Uni? |
| 11:35.31 | MatthewWilkes | Bristol uni |
| 11:35.40 | EnderMB | I'm at UWE |
| 11:35.58 | devilsadvocate | !next |
| 11:35.58 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 11:36.15 | MatthewWilkes | Cool, I'm living with UWE students, before we get into stereotypes of bristol uni students ;) |
| 11:36.28 | MatthewWilkes | What've you applied for? |
| 11:36.51 | EnderMB | XWiki. You? |
| 11:37.16 | MatthewWilkes | I'm a mentor/admin for Plone |
| 11:38.00 | MatthewWilkes | Would love to apply as a student, but got suckered into administration ;) |
| 11:38.29 | EnderMB | Cool. I was going to apply for that, but I didn't get my proposal finished in time. |
| 11:38.32 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: hehe, i managed to break free |
| 11:38.50 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: did three years as mentor/admin.. this year i applied (to several orgs) as student |
| 11:39.07 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Really? What idea? |
| 11:39.19 | thebolt | (my last chance before they don't let me in anymore ;) |
| 11:39.40 | MatthewWilkes | thebolt: This is my 2nd year as an admin, I've still got a few more chances, if anyone else from Plone wants to do the app for a year ;) |
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| 11:40.39 | aghisla | good luck thebolt! |
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| 11:41.06 | EnderMB | Improved Commenting Infrastructure, although any of them would be good as I just wanted to use Python |
| 11:41.23 | thebolt | aghisla: thanks :) |
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| 11:42.37 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Ah, cool. We have had a proposal for that, I was worried it was one of the awesome ideas we didn't get one for ;) |
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| 11:43.44 | EnderMB | Which ones? If I don't get a place then I could always work on it over the summer anyway (if you're allowed to say which ones). |
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| 12:26.38 | cschmidt | !slots |
| 12:26.39 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 12:27.57 | skbohra | had anyone tried Mozilla Firefox â Yahoo! Edition. |
| 12:27.58 | skbohra | :D |
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| 12:30.09 | skbohra | I guess mozilla is looking for new partners after google launched chrome |
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| 13:34.19 | [Evan] | @mentors Have any of you already picked your list of proteges, or are most of you not done yet? |
| 13:34.31 | thiago_home | protégés? |
| 13:34.35 | thiago_home | what do you mean? |
| 13:34.54 | MatthewWilkes | I assume he means accepted students |
| 13:35.10 | [Evan] | A protege is the opposite of a mentor: a mentor mentors a protege. |
| 13:35.19 | thiago_home | no... |
| 13:35.25 | MatthewWilkes | [Evan]: Most orgs probably have an order of preference now, but nothing is set in stone |
| 13:35.29 | thiago_home | a mentor mentors a student |
| 13:35.34 | thiago_home | you're coining a new term :-) |
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| 13:35.57 | thiago_home | anyways, we have picked up our list |
| 13:35.57 | [Evan] | Isn't that what IRC is for? |
| 13:35.58 | Corsix | "Mentorship refers to a developmental relationship in which a more experienced person helps a less experienced person, referred to as a protégé, apprentice, mentoree, or (person) being mentored, develop in a specified capacity." |
| 13:36.11 | Corsix | - Wikipedia |
| 13:36.26 | thiago_home | I meant in the context of GSoC |
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| 13:36.46 | thiago_home | this is my 5th SoC and the first time I've heard anyone use the term |
| 13:36.58 | jetru | Corsix: :) |
| 13:37.12 | [Evan] | Really?! What org are you with? |
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| 13:38.29 | thiago_home | many orgs have been with GSoC in all editions |
| 13:38.41 | Ivanovic | tststs, protegee is the wrong term for an SoC student |
| 13:38.45 | Ivanovic | "slave" would be more correct |
| 13:38.46 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 13:38.48 | thiago_home | lol |
| 13:39.07 | thebolt | :) |
| 13:39.08 | [Evan] | @Ivan Well then, I'm glad I dodged Wesnoth! :) |
| 13:39.16 | Corsix | heh |
| 13:39.18 | thebolt | hehe, me to ;) |
| 13:39.20 | thebolt | too* |
| 13:39.22 | evalica | thiago_home: what country are you from? |
| 13:39.48 | thiago_home | is from Brazil, living in Norway |
| 13:40.01 | Ivanovic | most orgs by now have probably a good idea which students they will take |
| 13:40.11 | thebolt | thiago_home: does not sound like that much of an upgrade ;) |
| 13:40.21 | Ivanovic | some might already be done with the "final ranking", other being right in the process of doing so |
| 13:40.41 | Ivanovic | short guess: not a single org has *not* started ranking yet |
| 13:40.42 | [Evan] | @Ivan So, does that mean I could ask my org if I was in? |
| 13:40.47 | thiago_home | thebolt: there's only one capital further up North (and I've been there a number of times) |
| 13:41.01 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: your org won't give you any final result yet |
| 13:41.12 | thebolt | thiago_home: yea, i know norway decently well.. being from "big brother" in the east ;) |
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| 13:41.33 | Ivanovic | the org will *only* be able to state something like "no chance" or "good chance", but that is *everything* possible so far |
| 13:41.39 | [Evan] | @Ivan Are they not allowed to, or do they not want to tie themselves down yet? |
| 13:41.40 | thiago_home | thebolt: yellow and blue brother? :-) |
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| 13:41.50 | thebolt | thiago_home: yea.. but i don't live there right now :) |
| 13:41.52 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: basically both |
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| 13:42.22 | [Evan] | @Ivan How many slots did you get? |
| 13:42.25 | Ivanovic | especially since even on the last day things *can* still change due to whatever reason |
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| 13:42.57 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: i won't tell any specifics |
| 13:43.10 | Ivanovic | especially not on a chan that is logged in public |
| 13:43.35 | thebolt | thiago_home: currently live in utc+8 (taiwan, bit south of taipei) |
| 13:44.06 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: the main reason being that it is not really final and in theory *can* still change |
| 13:44.40 | [Evan] | @Ivan Oh, so if you really need another person, you might get one, but if you didn't have enough good applicants, you could give a slot to another org. |
| 13:44.51 | Ivanovic | correct |
| 13:45.22 | [Evan] | Okay, so do you have more or less than last year? |
| 13:45.35 | Ivanovic | no comment, no comment at all regarding numbers |
| 13:45.53 | Ivanovic | that is: till 20th april when the accepted students are made *public* |
| 13:46.03 | evalica | thiago_home: this is your 5th SoC as a mentor or as a student? |
| 13:46.10 | [Evan] | Evan will never stop asking intrusive questions! |
| 13:46.13 | thiago_home | evalica: mentor |
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| 13:46.29 | thiago_home | evalica: 4 times admin, passing the torch this year |
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| 13:47.16 | evalica | :) thanks .. cause I googled you and found out you were a mentor... cause I was counting all the money you received in 5 years as a student and I was impressed :) but I understand now |
| 13:47.51 | [Evan] | @thiago Have there been any 5-year consecutive students? |
| 13:48.04 | [Evan] | ... that you know about? |
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| 13:48.07 | thebolt | thiago_home: i don't think so, but i don't know.. |
| 13:48.14 | thebolt | bah, [Evan]* |
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| 13:49.05 | thiago_home | [Evan]: I think there have been no such cases |
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| 13:50.05 | thebolt | i know one person who if he gets in will be in his fifth year of which two is as a student.. (in my case it would be fourth and first as student) |
| 13:50.32 | thiago_home | evalica: $18k? |
| 13:50.44 | thiago_home | evalica: that's not much if you're no longer a student |
| 13:51.19 | evalica | thiago_home: for me is like 5 year of payment working just for one year |
| 13:52.38 | Barthezz | has anybody received a message from the mentoring orgs or the Google? |
| 13:53.59 | ThomasWaldmann | Barthezz: you should look into your application at the soc web site |
| 13:54.22 | ThomasWaldmann | (and subscribe to notifications) |
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| 13:56.55 | Barthezz | that was not the answer to my question :) |
| 13:57.48 | cristi | Barthezz: message about what? |
| 13:57.59 | thiago_home | Barthezz: well, it was *an* answer to your question |
| 13:58.07 | thiago_home | maybe you should rephrase instead :-) |
| 13:58.20 | MatthewWilkes | Barthezz: Yes, at least 1 person who has applied has received a message. |
| 13:58.38 | MatthewWilkes | That doesn't give you any useful information, however. |
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| 14:02.17 | macduy | :D |
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| 14:56.25 | jorrit | Hi |
| 14:56.43 | thebolt | hi jorrit :) |
| 14:56.57 | jorrit | Hi thebolt, fancy seeing you here :-) |
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| 14:57.51 | thebolt | jorrit: i've been in here since hm.. 26nd february last year ;) |
| 14:58.14 | thebolt | (continuously :) |
| 14:58.25 | jorrit | ok, never noticed :-) |
| 14:58.41 | thomastc | thebolt: that means that your IRC box has about 10 exploitable kernel leaks by now ;) |
| 14:59.21 | thebolt | thomastc: ok, a couple of short breaks.. but the box runs debian so it probably still have a few of them in ;) |
| 14:59.47 | Mathiasdm | "Upgrade irssi to new version on-the-fly without disconnecting from server, so other people won't even notice you quit from IRC. This ONLY executes the new binary, it does NOT download/compile/whatever irssi." |
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| 15:00.26 | thomastc | Mathiasdm: the Linux kernel has a similar feature iirc... kinda scary though |
| 15:01.04 | Mathiasdm | I agree, thomastc, seems like a scary idea :) |
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| 15:06.18 | jorrit | Time to go, cu |
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| 15:35.06 | MatthewWilkes | oh, win |
| 15:35.18 | MatthewWilkes | "He's for every one of us, stand for every one of us!" |
| 15:35.25 | MatthewWilkes | Great thing to hear when turning on the telly |
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| 15:42.36 | ArthurLiu | would like to inform the other GSoC projects admin and mentors that Debian would very much like a donation of *one slot* to fund a project that would greatly improve support of large datasets in scientific research on Debian and derivatives like Ubuntu.. |
| 15:44.58 | lnanek | Plenty of IRC bouncer programs support client disconnect/reconnect. Wouldn't you just run one of those on your own machine if you wanted to upgrade your client silently? |
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| 15:47.54 | thiago_home | ArthurLiu: we'd all like more slots |
| 15:48.01 | thiago_home | we're now 15 students down |
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| 15:49.31 | ArthurLiu | thiago_home: pretty much everyone, true |
| 15:49.41 | MatthewWilkes | thiago_home: Not quite true. We, Plone, are happy with our allocation, but are unlikely to give any back to the pool. |
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| 15:50.19 | ArthurLiu | there are a lot of science related orgs in gsoc :) |
| 15:50.40 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: for it it is basically the same |
| 15:50.44 | mordante | Wesnoth is also happy and unlikely to give back |
| 15:50.47 | Ivanovic | slot allocs are great for us |
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| 15:51.30 | mordante | sees that Ivanovic around as well ;-) |
| 15:51.30 | mordante | Ivanovic is* |
| 15:51.30 | Ivanovic | :) |
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| 15:53.42 | MatthewWilkes | hi there webchick |
| 15:53.52 | webchick | Ahoy! :) |
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| 15:54.24 | thiago_home | we're happy but we could be happier :-) |
| 15:54.58 | Ivanovic | we will be really happy when summer of code is over, all of our students were successfull *and* stay with the project |
| 15:55.05 | Ivanovic | (yes, i love to dream...) |
| 15:55.17 | thebolt | hi webchick |
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| 15:59.08 | homunq | of the two more slots we (sugar labs) would really like, we'll almost certainly find some way to help at least one, hopefully both, of the projects happen anyway. |
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| 16:00.45 | homunq | But I think ArthurLiu's request was more than simple begging, because I can imagine that some scientific orgs could see the project he's talking about as a selfish priority, not just a donation. |
| 16:02.17 | ArthurLiu | homunq: yeah, it would benefit to many researchers and many devs that work with datasets on debian based systems |
| 16:03.24 | ArthurLiu | it's not, per se, a core Debian feature, but Debian is an universal OS and we cater to a large range of users, scientists among them |
| 16:04.23 | ArthurLiu | so maybe certain scientific orgs that may have borderline proposals or problems findings enough mentors would be interested in this project |
| 16:04.39 | homunq | thinks "yooniversal" starts with a consonant. |
| 16:05.01 | ArthurLiu | is french and doesn't care :) |
| 16:05.43 | devvrat | loves watching IRC battle :P |
| 16:05.50 | homunq | true, not in French. |
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| 16:13.34 | thiago_home | learnt that it's "a university" and "an umbrella" |
| 16:14.09 | thiago_home | and "an RFC" |
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| 16:15.29 | ArthurLiu | I usually don't make the mistake in spoken english |
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| 16:16.34 | ArthurLiu | but the reflex to prefix with an n when followed by ae(h)iou is due to writing too much french :) |
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| 16:22.57 | devilsadvocate | wtf is a mozilla firefox yahoo edition? :/ |
| 16:23.38 | cschmidt | devilsadvocate: I assume firefox with a build-in yahoo toolbar. |
| 16:23.43 | devvrat | the idea seems weird to me too |
| 16:23.43 | ArthurLiu | they let them use the firefox brand ? |
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| 16:23.59 | devilsadvocate | and i cant install it on linux |
| 16:24.02 | devilsadvocate | bleh |
| 16:24.15 | cschmidt | *built-in |
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| 16:25.29 | devilsadvocate | neither can i find a page explaining _what_ it is |
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| 16:27.50 | devilsadvocate | is it yahoo's way of letting the OS community know that it doesnt even support linux for a lousy toolbar? :/ |
| 16:27.50 | blast007 | devilsadvocate: http://downloads.yahoo.com/firefox/ <-- that? |
| 16:28.11 | devilsadvocate | blast007, that just tells me that my computer does not meet the requirements |
| 16:28.17 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:28.33 | Ivanovic | same here |
| 16:28.39 | Ivanovic | looks like yahoo does not like me |
| 16:28.51 | devvrat | lol |
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| 16:29.31 | blast007 | there is a yahoo toolbar for linux.. |
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| 16:29.47 | Ivanovic | but no "Mozilla Firefox â Yahoo! Edition" |
| 16:29.48 | devilsadvocate | dont know. havent used yahoo-anything in the last 4 years |
| 16:29.56 | devvrat | http://toolbar.yahoo.com/ |
| 16:30.25 | devilsadvocate | http://www.foxiewire.com/Mozilla/Mozilla_Firefox_Yahoo_Edition : best i can find |
| 16:30.44 | blast007 | install firefox the normal way and then add the toolbar |
| 16:30.55 | blast007 | why do you need/want it bundled? |
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| 16:31.23 | Ivanovic | blast007: for them to acknowledge that there is more than windows |
| 16:31.42 | devvrat | probably yahoo need it's to save it's drowning brand |
| 16:31.57 | devilsadvocate | blast007, if its just the toolbar, then its very wrong for them to even have a separate edition, ethically, ie |
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| 16:32.08 | devilsadvocate | im trying to figure out what else is different |
| 16:32.15 | blast007 | that's probably it |
| 16:32.27 | Ivanovic | probably some lovely yahoo logos instead of the firefox logo |
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| 16:32.31 | jorrit | Hi |
| 16:32.32 | jorrit | !timeline |
| 16:32.33 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:32.43 | jorrit | Will have to bookmark that url :-) |
| 16:33.06 | Ivanovic | ain't socinfo our bookmark? |
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| 16:33.36 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, hi |
| 16:33.37 | jorrit | Well perhaps but to access it I first have to say 'hi' to everyone. Usual browser bookmarks don't have that 'issue' :-) |
| 16:33.51 | kashthealien | Shannon90, hi |
| 16:33.59 | Ivanovic | jorrit: you can just query socinfo, too |
| 16:34.45 | kashthealien | Shannon90, join #iitm-linux |
| 16:35.33 | jorrit | Ivanovic: aha, didn't know that. |
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| 16:36.01 | kashthealien | Shannon90, what doin? |
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| 16:36.07 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, why does it have just 5 members? |
| 16:36.36 | kashthealien | Shannon90, cos its private and only insti guys join, currently ppl missing |
| 16:36.57 | kashthealien | Shannon90, Not many studs in our insti |
| 16:37.32 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, keep in mind we're in public... |
| 16:37.55 | kashthealien | Shannon90, You havent seen ppl talk around here? arbit-max |
| 16:38.11 | kashthealien | Shannon90, so which soc is it again? |
| 16:38.14 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, I meant about studs in insti. |
| 16:38.18 | kashthealien | Shannon90, open-cog |
| 16:38.42 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, yeah. |
| 16:38.58 | kashthealien | Shannon90, finished RKK's stuff? |
| 16:39.36 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, guess why I chose this nick? (Hema was all over my mind when I was looking for one) |
| 16:39.51 | kashthealien | Shannon90, oh! why? |
| 16:40.03 | Shannon90 | It was a choice between manchester and Shannon. I chode the latter |
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| 16:40.52 | jorrit | ok, time to go again |
| 16:40.52 | jorrit | cu |
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| 16:41.12 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, wassup? Any progress with DSA? |
| 16:41.28 | kashthealien | Shannon90, no |
| 16:41.35 | kashthealien | Shannon90, will try tomo |
| 16:41.42 | kashthealien | Shannon90, why 90 at the end? |
| 16:41.56 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, I' am done with my side of the deal (RBTs). Ur doing splay and garden the AVL |
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| 16:42.09 | kashthealien | Shannon90, mine is peace |
| 16:42.27 | kashthealien | every time I pass splay ( current_node ) |
| 16:42.35 | kashthealien | Shannon90, right? |
| 16:42.38 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, Shannon was a registered nick... |
| 16:42.50 | kashthealien | Shannon90, k |
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| 16:43.18 | Shannon90 | I guess anyone here will agree to the fact that Splay trees are indeed trivial to implement. |
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| 16:43.50 | Shannon90 | yeah right. |
| 16:44.34 | Shannon90 | It was fun to implement Bresenham in assembly though. Much more enlightening than in c... |
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| 16:45.25 | Shannon90 | kashthealien, I suggest u read tharun's log. He has put about his infrequent 'vomitings' !! |
| 16:45.34 | kashthealien | Shannon90, I am done with bressenham's but there is some bug |
| 16:45.42 | kashthealien | put link |
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| 16:46.20 | kashthealien | Shannon90, shift to iitm-linux |
| 16:46.25 | Shannon90 | k |
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| 16:51.37 | MatthewWilkes | OT: Any USAians want to tell me if Greyhound busses are a bad choice if I'm going to be on it for 12 hours (twice)? |
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| 16:52.53 | durin42 | MatthewWilkes: It's tedious, but as far as I know it works fine |
| 16:52.58 | ArthurLiu | don't they have some high-speed train there ? :D |
| 16:53.07 | durin42 | Not really. |
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| 16:53.22 | durin42 | There's AmTrak, but that's actually just regular train speed. |
| 16:53.37 | MatthewWilkes | durin42: Ok, I'm thinking I'll break the journey half way, so 12 hours, meet a friend, drink, 12 hours |
| 16:54.21 | durin42 | Bear in mind, AmTrak doesn't on the track, so they often get delayed by freight trains. |
| 16:54.48 | durin42 | ISTR when I did Chicago <-> New Mexico via train, we were a couple of hours late on both directions |
| 16:54.57 | Ivanovic | in general 12h bus trips are really bad |
| 16:55.10 | ArthurLiu | durin42, do you get refunded and compensated at least ? |
| 16:55.13 | durin42 | MatthewWilkes: oh, right, you were doing bus. So that's less of an issue. |
| 16:55.13 | Ivanovic | i prefer trains since there you have more space to walk around a little |
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| 16:55.22 | durin42 | ArthurLiu: nope, it's a hazard you know of when you're going in. |
| 16:55.34 | durin42 | Trains run late, deal with it, basically. |
| 16:55.36 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: Yeah, it'd be horrible, but it's also a LOT cheaper ;) |
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| 16:56.05 | Ivanovic | what about domestic flights? |
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| 16:56.08 | Corsix | is your discomfort worth that much? |
| 16:56.12 | MatthewWilkes | = about 150USD cheaper |
| 16:56.13 | Ivanovic | or are they this much more expensive? |
| 16:56.36 | ArthurLiu | here (France), the train company refunds you and pays for the taxi if your train arrives too late in the night :) |
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| 16:57.07 | durin42 | I think your trains are more widely used though. |
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| 16:57.26 | Ivanovic | durin42: and we are talking about smaller distances |
| 16:57.36 | durin42 | Yes, that's a big part of it too. |
| 16:57.48 | durin42 | America is just too big for most transportation systems. |
| 16:58.09 | durin42 | I mean, you can drive for 2 days pretty much solid and not cross the country. |
| 16:58.13 | ArthurLiu | but the trains do run at 320+kph (that's 200mph) |
| 16:58.14 | xorAxAx | ArthurLiu: air france didnt really like to when it was 3h late ... |
| 16:58.24 | xorAxAx | ArthurLiu: really tedious to ask for the voucher |
| 16:58.35 | xorAxAx | but then i enjoyed a steak house :) |
| 16:58.36 | durin42 | ArthurLiu: Yeah, I think ours do 80-90 mph tops, not sure though. |
| 16:58.41 | xorAxAx | at the airport |
| 16:59.02 | xorAxAx | (as they have to pay you a free meal in the EU) |
| 16:59.19 | Ivanovic | hehe, even the "normal" trains that go through our area are at about 160km/h |
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| 16:59.52 | Ivanovic | (yes, that is for regional stuff) |
| 16:59.54 | xorAxAx | yeah, really weird how car-centric the US is |
| 17:00.17 | durin42 | Not really. There's a lot less sunk costs in a highway system, and it's easier to build out in a hurry. |
| 17:00.26 | xorAxAx | Ivanovic: here the regional train to the next larger (17th largest in .de) city runs 40 km/h at average on a 40 km long path |
| 17:00.53 | xorAxAx | durin42: but its less energy efficient |
| 17:00.59 | Ivanovic | xorAxAx: hmm, that ain't the case right here in the ruhr metropolitan area |
| 17:01.22 | durin42 | Oh, for sure, but we've also been blessed for the last ~160 years or so to be so absurdly wealthy and ahead of the curve that we didn't have to care |
| 17:01.24 | xorAxAx | Ivanovic: indeed, i mean the pb<->bi track |
| 17:01.25 | kblin | Ivanovic: but I think the main difference is that freight trains don't have precedence here |
| 17:01.55 | xorAxAx | durin42: yeah, certainly |
| 17:01.58 | Ivanovic | xorAxAx: uhm, you know, this is the nowhere-land outside of the ruhr metropolitan area |
| 17:01.59 | durin42 | xorAxAx: I would love to be able to not own a car, it's expensive, but it'd come at the cost of literally not being able to reach a good number of people and places |
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| 17:02.06 | xorAxAx | hmm, is there something like BART etc. on east coast? |
| 17:02.19 | xorAxAx | durin42: yep. is there a lot of car sharing in your region? |
| 17:02.21 | durin42 | My college is an hour from the nearest train station, after all. |
| 17:02.21 | kblin | xorAxAx: well, the aliens need to have times to rebuild the fake city before the train arrives |
| 17:02.23 | ArthurLiu | kblin, freigth trains don't run on high speed tracks, except some postal trains |
| 17:02.27 | ArthurLiu | (in france) |
| 17:02.39 | Ivanovic | and for your case it might be more efficient to use RE6 over to hamm and then RE1 to bielefeld |
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| 17:02.49 | durin42 | xorAxAx: I'm near Chicago, so yes, but even 20 minutes drive time further out no, you pretty much have to own a car to get around effectively. |
| 17:03.06 | xorAxAx | Ivanovic: yeah, but i need 15+ min to pb hbf, so i prefer pb nord |
| 17:03.09 | durin42 | (Near Chicago meaning the official start of Chicago is a mile from my house) |
| 17:03.27 | Ivanovic | xorAxAx: ah, bad luck |
| 17:03.35 | xorAxAx | Ivanovic: but otherwise i know the hamm one, enjoying the 2-3 benches there |
| 17:03.47 | xorAxAx | which are mostly filled up |
| 17:04.08 | xorAxAx | durin42: no public transport in chicago? |
| 17:04.50 | durin42 | xorAxAx: It exists, and within the center of the city, it's pretty good. Once you're as far out as I am though, it starts getting spotty. |
| 17:05.00 | xorAxAx | durin42: annoying |
| 17:05.02 | Ivanovic | xorAxAx: i use the trains to go from kamen to dortmund basically daily (university stuff) |
| 17:05.06 | durin42 | I can get to my parents by train, but it takes 3 trains, and 2.25 hours. |
| 17:05.08 | xorAxAx | but the same in every city of course |
| 17:05.09 | Ivanovic | so trust me, i know how full those are... |
| 17:05.11 | durin42 | If I drive, I can do it in 45 minutes. |
| 17:05.33 | durin42 | There's no trains that go around the circumference of the city, they are all radial. |
| 17:05.42 | xorAxAx | Ivanovic: ah, full trains ... i just dislike that on days with public soccer games |
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| 17:06.16 | xorAxAx | likes the tube in london, makes it so much more enjoyable (besides the public gardens :)) |
| 17:06.28 | Ivanovic | xorAxAx: regarding train travel times there are some cases where using the trains is *great* and others where it is *bad* |
| 17:06.53 | xorAxAx | Ivanovic: yep |
| 17:07.02 | MatthewWilkes | xorAxAx: My favourite bit of the tube is the special way that people practically run down the stairs with those short, fast steps |
| 17:07.05 | MatthewWilkes | Nobody does it anywhere else |
| 17:07.08 | Ivanovic | example: from dortmund (or hamm) it took me about 6h to get where i was in the army for basic training (about 50km behind berlin), roughly 700km by car |
| 17:07.30 | Ivanovic | where it took the *same* time to get where i was later on, which was only mere 160km away |
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| 17:07.52 | xorAxAx | MatthewWilkes: indeed, very fast pace |
| 17:08.03 | xorAxAx | and the people looked stressed |
| 17:08.12 | xorAxAx | and a bit remote controlled by their boss |
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| 17:09.14 | MatthewWilkes | I'm usually stressed on the tube, but that's only because we need to get between trains in time, dodging the slow people :) |
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| 17:10.41 | xorAxAx | MatthewWilkes: my impression was that the air is quite hot and that makes you sweat earlier and become stressed |
| 17:10.51 | xorAxAx | (or maybe i wasnt sportive enough for the pace) |
| 17:11.41 | xorAxAx | if anybody wants to enjoy the current elitist demo scene meeting in bingen (rhine) showing nice computer generated pieces of art, have a look here: http://bptv.untergrund.net/ |
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| 17:21.58 | allisterb | xorAxAx, interesting. is there a lot of open-source software in the demo scene? I know machinima has a lot. |
| 17:22.36 | xorAxAx | allisterb: unfortunately not, they really love to reverse engineer |
| 17:22.36 | Landon | oh man |
| 17:22.38 | Landon | I want a spaceball |
| 17:23.02 | Landon | not that I'd ever have reason to use one |
| 17:23.05 | xorAxAx | in order to retain an athletic component |
| 17:23.06 | Landon | but it just looks so darn cool |
| 17:23.22 | xorAxAx | many of them dont even consider themselves as artists (yet) |
| 17:23.54 | xorAxAx | but this year some art students joined them (came by bus), maybe they are chatting about the term art and whether computer demos art |
| 17:23.59 | xorAxAx | s/t$/e/ |
| 17:24.04 | xorAxAx | such |
| 17:24.10 | xorAxAx | Landon: :) |
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| 17:24.35 | allisterb | yeah I always wanted to get into computer generated graphics 'cause I can't draw a damn. |
| 17:24.55 | kendrick | tux paaaaint |
| 17:25.03 | kendrick | wanders to farmers market :) |
| 17:25.12 | xorAxAx | note that its different from classic cgi because most cgi seems to happen on a highly commercial ground |
| 17:25.12 | Landon | kendrick: sourdough bread plz |
| 17:25.25 | xorAxAx | blender etc. are nice exceptions |
| 17:26.33 | allisterb | xorAxAx, I think the guy who wrote SMS video player for the PS2 metioned he originally did it to make demos. pretty good reverse engineering |
| 17:26.46 | xorAxAx | allisterb: hehe |
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| 17:32.22 | xorAxAx | hehe, data storage |
| 17:32.23 | xorAxAx | http://bptv.untergrund.net/ |
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| 17:33.47 | allisterb | which reminds me I've wanted to start hacking on SMS - add support for h.264 decoding and other containers besides avi |
| 17:34.10 | allisterb | good way to learn mplayer and ps2 coding |
| 17:34.41 | xorAxAx | mplayer? the large monolithic eastern european project? :) |
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| 17:37.08 | allisterb | yeah apparently SMS uses code from it |
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| 17:40.44 | allisterb | although I read somewhere that ffmpeg is riddled with patent problems - gstreamer is the preferred open-source alternative |
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| 17:43.26 | araujo | hello |
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| 17:55.00 | tkamppeter | I have a problem, I cannot assign mentors and ranking any more, looks like that I have lost all admin controls. |
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| 17:57.12 | Ivanovic | tkamppeter: there is a dropdown box |
| 17:57.20 | Ivanovic | switch to admin mode instead of public review |
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| 18:01.23 | kblin | Ivanovic: it seems like "private comment" is default again |
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| 18:07.16 | Ivanovic | kblin: might be |
| 18:07.27 | Ivanovic | though it is easy enough to switch over to admin mode, isn't it? |
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| 18:08.00 | kblin | yeah |
| 18:08.05 | tkamppeter | Ivanovic: Thanks, it works. |
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| 18:46.44 | jetru | happy easter :) |
| 18:47.59 | ajuonline | happy easter! |
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| 18:49.30 | MatthewWilkes | Silly theists ;) |
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| 19:59.09 | MatthewWilkes | !next |
| 19:59.10 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 20:00.39 | xorAxAx | :-) |
| 20:01.28 | MatthewWilkes | xorAxAx! |
| 20:01.50 | xorAxAx | MatthewWilkes! |
| 20:02.00 | MatthewWilkes | Moin (moin) ;) |
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| 20:11.06 | harlan | lh: ping |
| 20:12.14 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: try !guess |
| 20:12.15 | ajuonline | :D |
| 20:12.32 | MatthewWilkes | !guess |
| 20:12.32 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
| 20:12.36 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 20:13.08 | MatthewWilkes | doesn't have to guess, he was wondering how long he has to finalise things |
| 20:14.58 | ajuonline | ah right :D but I was trying to just pimp my bot call ;) |
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| 20:18.29 | Ivanovic | MatthewWilkes: then try !timeline |
| 20:18.31 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 20:18.44 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: No thanks, I got it from next :) |
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| 20:19.11 | Ivanovic | pah, this is boring, especially since "conflict solving" is not listed there |
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| 20:30.07 | MatthewWilkes | urgh, I've got a pizza hut coupon, but it reduces things to 50p less than what I want, so I get £10 of food I don't want for a 50p saving |
| 20:30.11 | MatthewWilkes | How am I meant to resist that? |
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| 20:33.31 | lifeeth | MatthewWilkes, Burn the coupon :) |
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| 20:33.56 | sid0_ | pass it on? :) |
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| 20:35.27 | MatthewWilkes | it's electronic |
| 20:35.32 | MatthewWilkes | you can't burn data |
| 20:35.43 | lifeeth | MatthewWilkes, Delete it :) |
| 20:35.48 | lifeeth | ^ I am sure you can burn it :) |
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| 20:36.52 | ajuonline | looks for pygi |
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| 21:06.23 | skiquel | hi |
| 21:06.29 | skiquel | !help |
| 21:06.29 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 21:06.33 | skiquel | !next |
| 21:06.34 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 21:06.43 | skiquel | :) |
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| 21:40.37 | kranthili2020 | hi!!! jus now recieved an email from Hawthorn asking to check for comments ... what if the mentoring organization isn't giving any ??? |
| 21:41.24 | lh | kranthili2020: check with them in their irc channel |
| 21:42.18 | kranthili2020 | they have actually said that ... thy will be selecting jus based on the proposal sent to them and rn't ready to give comments to get patches... |
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| 21:42.28 | lh | then just sit tight and wait |
| 21:42.31 | lh | you're fine |
| 21:42.44 | kranthili2020 | i jus don't know if it is the correct way ? |
| 21:43.07 | hypa7ia | it's up to the org to decide how they will run their selection process, kranthili2020 |
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| 21:43.49 | kranthili2020 | ohh ... thn where does google come into picture ? I read tht final discussion is taken by google on what projects to be funded or not |
| 21:44.12 | Ivanovic | google decides which orgs participate in summer of code |
| 21:44.24 | lh | kranthili2020: i am trying to be helpful. many mentors were worried that students were not checking for comments on their applications, hence the reminder message. |
| 21:44.25 | Ivanovic | beside this google pays and trusts the orgs to do things correctly |
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| 21:44.37 | Ivanovic | and of course: providing infrastructure |
| 21:44.41 | lh | kranthili2020: Ivanovic and hypa7ia are correct. :) |
| 21:45.09 | kranthili2020 | hmmm |
| 21:45.40 | hypa7ia | i can understand where the org is coming from, kranthili2020 - there was a deadline to the apps for a reason |
| 21:46.06 | hypa7ia | we went back and forth a bunch of times with several applicants |
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| 21:46.16 | hypa7ia | before the deadline |
| 21:46.39 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: we asked for more details from most later on, too |
| 21:46.52 | Ivanovic | that is: those active in our chans easily noticed our requests |
| 21:47.02 | Ivanovic | but many have not reacted on our comments *at all* |
| 21:47.12 | hypa7ia | Ivanovic: we asked for more deets on the ones who submitted before the deadline |
| 21:47.17 | hypa7ia | as well as some who did after |
| 21:47.32 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed, we haven't asked for more information from some people because we spoke to them extensively before the deadline, others the proposal was clearly good enough, or the proposal too limited. No comments is neither a good nor a bad sign |
| 21:47.36 | kranthili2020 | what i felt was that old mentoring orgs are giving feedbacks and asking for patches... |
| 21:47.37 | hypa7ia | but in some cases didn't for those who just sent in their apps without communicating with us before |
| 21:47.55 | hypa7ia | kranthili2020: we're a first-year org :) |
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| 21:48.19 | kranthili2020 | which one ? :) |
| 21:48.28 | hypa7ia | xelerance |
| 21:48.47 | hypa7ia | has spent SO much time on irc in the past month, hehe |
| 21:48.49 | Ivanovic | first year or not has not much to do with comments |
| 21:49.06 | Ivanovic | that is there are long time orgs that don't post pubic comments either (cf kde) |
| 21:49.15 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: normal, just normla |
| 21:49.19 | Ivanovic | this is SoC... |
| 21:49.27 | hypa7ia | lol |
| 21:49.31 | kranthili2020 | it was a jus a feeling i got...becoz my frnds who had applied for other orgs tht hav previously taken part got very good comments |
| 21:49.49 | hypa7ia | well, it's not an accurate one, kranthili2020 :) |
| 21:49.57 | Ivanovic | kranthili2020: in general you should talk to the orgs already while writing the proposal |
| 21:50.22 | kranthili2020 | yeah i hav done tht :) |
| 21:50.24 | Ivanovic | this way you have a good idea if your "special parts" in your proposal are a good idea and if the org thinks they work out or not |
| 21:50.43 | Ivanovic | then that's good and just fine |
| 21:50.43 | kranthili2020 | tht's the reason y i am getting a bit anxious... |
| 21:51.18 | Ivanovic | be active in your org, show interest, be helpfull and responsive, basically make the org wanting to keep you and you have a good chance to get in |
| 21:51.30 | Ivanovic | (and stay with the org after SoC, too (if you are accepted)) |
| 21:51.47 | Ivanovic | of course those not accepted should stay, too and just contribute in their free time |
| 21:51.49 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 21:52.05 | kranthili2020 | it's so good to hear such encouraging words ... |
| 21:52.43 | kranthili2020 | i had actually dropped the idea of getting selected ...thinking tht comments aren't sent when your application isn't good enough... |
| 21:52.50 | Ivanovic | (that is those students that are declined this year might be accepted next year if the orgs see their knowledge/ability as well as that they are good to work with and reliable persons |
| 21:53.13 | hypa7ia | indeed |
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| 21:53.15 | kranthili2020 | but now since you have said it is upto the org for giving comments or not...i feel better |
| 21:53.31 | hypa7ia | we're really hoping a couple of students who are 2nd choice on their projects stay on as contributors |
| 21:53.40 | Ivanovic | just be communicative and show the org that they do want you |
| 21:53.49 | Ivanovic | this is all you can do at the moment and it should be enough |
| 21:54.01 | kranthili2020 | sure ... |
| 21:54.27 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: sadly many of those not accepted vanish right after the students are announced |
| 21:54.45 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: indeed |
| 21:54.48 | Ivanovic | that is: one studend we rejected last year came back several month ago and slowly got in again |
| 21:55.02 | Ivanovic | and he has submitted a strong proposal for SoC this year, too... |
| 21:56.34 | Ivanovic | (he came back before a new SoC was accepted, we said that we try to get in and so on) |
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| 21:56.55 | kranthili2020 | what are all the different criteria a mentor takes in giving a project to a student ??? is it jus based on the solution he offeres... |
| 21:57.19 | Corsix | whatever criteria they want |
| 21:57.26 | Ivanovic | that is: in our project we treat SoC students just like "ordinary" new developers for which we have the rule "two or three meaningfull patches accepted and you got commit access and full developer priviledges" |
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| 21:58.18 | Ivanovic | kranthili2020: the orgs take the criteria they want to take, noone tells them what they are and have to be |
| 21:58.27 | Ivanovic | though most orgs will probably look for three things: |
| 21:58.38 | Ivanovic | 1) is the project good, has the student invested some own ideas? |
| 21:59.06 | Ivanovic | 2) is the student probably able to get the project done (as in "not too big" and "knowledge required available" |
| 21:59.23 | Ivanovic | 3) is the student active, can we communicate well with him and is he likely to stay afterwards? |
| 21:59.42 | kranthili2020 | hmm... |
| 22:00.01 | Ivanovic | from what i heard most orgs use a variation of those criteria each weighting a little different and depending on the org |
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| 22:00.49 | kranthili2020 | gsoc mostly involves coding ??? rather than more of research work ... |
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| 22:00.59 | Ivanovic | depends on the projects |
| 22:01.08 | Ivanovic | though in general you have to deliver code |
| 22:01.13 | [Evan] | @Ivan There are research projects? |
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| 22:01.37 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: for some projects you might have to do some good research before you can actually implement stuff |
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| 22:02.02 | [Evan] | Well, I figured that most of most projects would be the coding. |
| 22:02.20 | kranthili2020 | from what i have heard from my senior who has successfully completed last year ... he says mostly ideas should be simple and implementable in 2/3 months perioud |
| 22:02.24 | Ivanovic | sure, coding is *really* important |
| 22:02.49 | Ivanovic | kranthili2020: even simple "ideas" can require some good planning |
| 22:03.08 | kranthili2020 | yup |
| 22:03.42 | Ivanovic | in general SoC lasts for ~3 month of coding time |
| 22:04.00 | [Evan] | @kran Maybe he meant that most of your application should be ideas. Most organizations don't want prototypes before you're even accepted. |
| 22:04.11 | Ivanovic | so from the pure idea point orgs think about projects that they themselves would probably be able to get done in one to two months if working on it full time |
| 22:04.41 | Ivanovic | [Evan]: try to use tab completion, this also results in a highlight for the users (just type the first chars, hit tab and feel the magic ;) ) |
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| 22:05.19 | [Evan] | Ivanovic,Ooh, this tab completion is niiiiice... |
| 22:05.23 | Ivanovic | since the students in general are new to the project or might not have this much knowledge yet the orgs asume by far higher times required for students working on the projects |
| 22:05.29 | kranthili2020 | wow...linux stuff here also :) |
| 22:05.32 | [Evan] | Scratch that; it didn't work. |
| 22:05.38 | sanooj | [Evan]: and don't pick nicks whose first few chars are annoying to type. ;) |
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| 22:06.00 | [Evan] | What? I love to type the brackets! |
| 22:06.04 | Ivanovic | sanooj: in fact [Evan] has chosen a good nicht, there are not many with hist first two chars |
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| 22:06.19 | Ivanovic | where many others eg start with "al" |
| 22:06.58 | sanooj | *shrug* in lots of layouts the [ is behind an altgr. but it's certainly unique. :) |
| 22:07.00 | Ivanovic | (i am used to smaller chans, too, where the first two chars normaly are enough to have a user |
| 22:07.19 | SRabbelier | sanooj: gah, that'd be horrible to code on |
| 22:07.32 | Ivanovic | okay, unless it is time for SoC and choosing students, then the number of users in some chans easily increase by >50% |
| 22:07.40 | Ivanovic | SRabbelier: german layout |
| 22:07.44 | Ivanovic | it is horrible for coding... |
| 22:07.57 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: isn't there a german layout specially for coding purposes? |
| 22:08.09 | Ivanovic | not printed on keyboard |
| 22:08.10 | Ivanovic | s |
| 22:08.13 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Yeah, it's called "US" |
| 22:08.19 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol :) |
| 22:08.21 | Ivanovic | but in modern times it is easy enough to switch to us layout |
| 22:08.27 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: true enough |
| 22:08.34 | Ivanovic | and many coders ain't looking on the keyboard anyway... |
| 22:08.51 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: those that are should have their coding license removed :P |
| 22:08.52 | kranthili2020 | y is it tht google has planned to reduce the number of funded projects to 1k ? |
| 22:09.00 | kranthili2020 | is it recession ? |
| 22:09.10 | SRabbelier | kranthili2020: amazing that you figured that one out all on your own :) |
| 22:09.19 | kranthili2020 | is it recession ? |
| 22:09.26 | SRabbelier | kranthili2020: amazing that you figured that one out all on your own :) |
| 22:09.27 | kranthili2020 | :P |
| 22:09.38 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Is it the recession? |
| 22:09.45 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: no clue |
| 22:09.47 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
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| 22:09.58 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I don't work for Google :P |
| 22:10.04 | Ivanovic | real geeks use real keyboards... http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8396/ |
| 22:10.06 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 22:10.12 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I kid, I kid |
| 22:10.19 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: me too :D |
| 22:10.25 | blast007 | let's just blame it on global warming ;) |
| 22:10.30 | MatthewWilkes | Ivanovic: I REALLY want a space-cadet keyboard |
| 22:10.31 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: I want one of those in an ergonimic layout |
| 22:10.39 | Corsix | blame pirates or violent video games |
| 22:10.44 | Corsix | I hear that's all the rage |
| 22:10.48 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:10.54 | MatthewWilkes | http://world.std.com/~jdostale/kbd/SpaceCadet1.jpeg <- drool |
| 22:11.14 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol, wtf? |
| 22:11.23 | kranthili2020 | whn can one assume the competition for a project is really high ??? is it whn there are 5 to 6 proposal for single project ??? |
| 22:11.24 | nullpuppy | dude. thumbs up and down! |
| 22:11.25 | literal | a Greek key? |
| 22:11.26 | nullpuppy | aweseome! |
| 22:11.34 | Ivanovic | has this keyboard and it is fine, too http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2004/11/010-news/tastatur_frei.png |
| 22:11.45 | Ivanovic | (though the german layout s***s for coding... |
| 22:11.55 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I want to bind quadbucky-top to run tests |
| 22:11.58 | MatthewWilkes | It'd feel so final |
| 22:12.09 | literal | has Model M |
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| 22:12.35 | Ivanovic | at least the super key is super and not a strange thing used to see the outer world... |
| 22:12.37 | mordante | I coded once with a German keyboard and indeed it was very annoying |
| 22:12.41 | kranthili2020 | whn can one assume the competition for a project is really high ??? is it whn there are 5 to 6 proposal for single project ??? |
| 22:12.44 | MatthewWilkes | I used to have a 9 button cherry mouse, it was awesome |
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| 22:12.51 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I have no clue what quadbucky-top is |
| 22:13.01 | Ivanovic | kranthili2020: no way to say when it is the case |
| 22:13.03 | Corsix | kranthili2020: repeating the question doesn't help |
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| 22:13.32 | kranthili2020 | none replied ... jus thought every might have missed it :) |
| 22:13.32 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: the keystroke HYPER+SUPER+META+CTRL+"Top" on the spacecadet |
| 22:13.46 | Ivanovic | kranthili2020: typing needs time |
| 22:14.01 | Ivanovic | especially if you are talking in 5 threads (plus several other chans) in parallel... |
| 22:14.02 | kranthili2020 | :) |
| 22:14.04 | MatthewWilkes | The four on the bottom left + the one 2 to the side of right shift |
| 22:14.11 | MatthewWilkes | (Next to right greek) |
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| 22:14.30 | MatthewWilkes | Also typable using the entire left hand |
| 22:14.47 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol :P |
| 22:15.05 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: yes, that would probably be rather final :P |
| 22:15.21 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: why is it called 'quadbucky' anyway? |
| 22:15.27 | MatthewWilkes | I use the numpad enter for commits atm, that makes a nice sound |
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| 22:15.33 | Ivanovic | okay, time for me to get some sleep, n8 |
| 22:15.43 | MatthewWilkes | Bucky bits are the modifier bits, so ctrl is a bucky key, as it activates a modifier |
| 22:16.04 | MatthewWilkes | So using all four bucky keys (excluding the boring shift) is quadbucky |
| 22:16.33 | nullpuppy | http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2004/11/010-news/tastatur_frei.png |
| 22:16.34 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol :P |
| 22:16.36 | nullpuppy | bah |
| 22:16.39 | nullpuppy | stupid mouse |
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| 22:17.19 | mordante | kranthili2020, depends on how good those 5 - 6 proposals are ;-) |
| 22:17.36 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: http://catb.org/jargon/html/Q/quadruple-bucky.html |
| 22:18.07 | MatthewWilkes | âOh, the command that makes it spin the tapes while whistling Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is quadruple-bucky-cokebottle.â |
| 22:18.11 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: 2. On a Stanford or MIT keyboard in raw mode, use of four shift keys while typing a fifth character, where the four shift keys are the control and meta keys on both sides of the keyboard. This was very difficult to do! One accepted technique was to press the left-control and left-meta keys with your left hand, the right-control and right-meta keys with your right hand, and the fifth key with your nose. |
| 22:18.14 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: omg, awesome :P |
| 22:19.15 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: You see why I want one of the spacecadet keyboards? |
| 22:19.19 | MatthewWilkes | It'd do EVERYTHING |
| 22:19.42 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: lol, obivously :P |
| 22:21.06 | plasm | hi, who can I pm with a question? |
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| 22:22.01 | mordante | plasm, how can we know if we don't know the question? |
| 22:23.14 | SRabbelier | plasm: why can't you just ask your question? |
| 22:23.42 | plasm | I am, hold on |
| 22:24.27 | plasm | well, I applied to a project and apparently a lot of people applied with the same idea, so they told everyone to have an "alternative project"... I just wanted to find out what the policy on this was |
| 22:24.41 | plasm | *is, rather |
| 22:25.01 | mmadia | in particular, redifining their current proposal to a completely new one. |
| 22:25.01 | lh | plasm: what do you mean by policy? there isnt a policy per se |
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| 22:26.37 | r0bby | soo |
| 22:26.38 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: http://catb.org/jargon/html/D/double-bucky.html omg, win, "it would play as a pipe organ", WIN! |
| 22:26.51 | r0bby | who else is going to open everything :) |
| 22:26.53 | DonP | Are the allocated slot locations open to students |
| 22:27.08 | ArthurLiu | plasm, was that before or after deadline ? |
| 22:27.11 | kranthili2020 | how to use pidgin for logging into IRC chat ??? |
| 22:27.13 | mordante | DonP, what do you mean? |
| 22:27.23 | r0bby | I know lh is |
| 22:27.27 | r0bby | and is speaking |
| 22:27.28 | mmadia | lh : I had concerns of allowing a student to completely re-define their project proposal after the deadline. |
| 22:27.30 | dmb | lh, by the way, the person that I know is Atanas Frengov (I doubt you know him) |
| 22:27.52 | DonP | I mean the Preliminary Slot Allocations that are published |
| 22:27.57 | lh | mmadia: i think that ought not to be done |
| 22:28.11 | DonP | could we see the number of slots allocated to the organization to which we applied |
| 22:28.16 | lh | dmb: more context please |
| 22:28.23 | lh | DonP: no. ask your org for those details. |
| 22:28.25 | mordante | DonP, only open to the orgs and they shouldn't discuss it until they are filen |
| 22:28.28 | mordante | final* |
| 22:28.29 | ArthurLiu | mmadia, you should have done that before deadline.. |
| 22:28.36 | lh | hugs mordante |
| 22:28.37 | mmadia | ArthurLiu : i'm the admin ;) |
| 22:28.41 | DonP | ok makes sense. Thx |
| 22:28.55 | mordante | lh :-) |
| 22:29.00 | ArthurLiu | mmadia, one more reason to, you know how many students applied for each idea :) |
| 22:29.09 | dmb | lh, un-important, don't worry about it :P |
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| 22:29.51 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Could you IMAGINE teaching someone to code on that? It's hard enough speaking code. Part of me wants to shorten underscore to "un", rather than just "under" |
| 22:30.05 | MatthewWilkes | I'd save so much time telling coworkers API calls |
| 22:30.35 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: begin your explanation with "from now on the underscore character will be refered to as un" |
| 22:30.44 | sanooj | why would you save time? |
| 22:31.08 | plasm | @mmadia: it could be related to the project I applied for, maybe to provide the necessary support that isn't currently part of the kernel? |
| 22:31.21 | mmadia | ArthurLiu : what i meant is that all of those students received a public comment prior to the deadline to submit an alternative. some did. some did not. hence, my hesitation to allow a student to completely redefine their proposal at this time. |
| 22:31.45 | sanooj | MatthewWilkes: surely you don't refer to mylib_module_function as "mylib underscore module underscore function". |
| 22:32.12 | MatthewWilkes | sanooj: No, but things like "under-under-m-r-o-under-under" are too verbose |
| 22:32.25 | sanooj | ew. |
| 22:32.33 | sanooj | stop coding python. ;) |
| 22:32.46 | MatthewWilkes | You'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands |
| 22:32.48 | mordante | :-) |
| 22:33.05 | ArthurLiu | mmadia, we managed to get all our good students to change proposals at least 72 hours before deadline, so we don't have too much trouble with this |
| 22:33.15 | sanooj | how about "ugly mro" and then everyone will know what you mean. :P |
| 22:33.23 | ArthurLiu | mmadia, those who didn't weren't top students anyway.. |
| 22:33.42 | MatthewWilkes | sanooj: People that have seen it will know it by "mro" - it's training that's slow |
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| 22:34.39 | mmadia | plasm : i'd need to see the modifications and see how much it strays from the original proposal before feeling comfortable giving a yes|no answer. |
| 22:35.33 | mmadia | ArthurLiu : i think we're agreeing with each other :) |
| 22:35.47 | plasm | hmm... okay, well. I think I'll just leave my proposal as it is then |
| 22:37.27 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: why do you train verbally anyway? |
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| 22:38.23 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: also... why are you using reserved keywords? :P |
| 22:38.51 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: because it's easier than going to a keyboard or driving just to type something. Face-to-face is good |
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| 22:39.30 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: describing it might be better |
| 22:39.34 | lh | dmb: ok sorry |
| 22:39.36 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: as in 'mro as reserved keyword' |
| 22:39.52 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: How else do you propose finding all the superclasses of an instance? :) |
| 22:40.21 | MatthewWilkes | and it's a reserved attribute, not a keyword |
| 22:40.30 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
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| 22:41.02 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ah, I didn't know it's provided by python :P |
| 22:41.14 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: I thought you had added your own attribute called __mro__ |
| 22:41.24 | MatthewWilkes | mro = method resolution order |
| 22:41.37 | MatthewWilkes | It's an ordered list of superclasses |
| 22:41.50 | MatthewWilkes | where the order is the precedence for methods |
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| 22:44.07 | MatthewWilkes | unfortunately, we do have some code in Zope that uses obj.__annotations__ which is actually used in Python 3 |
| 22:44.30 | MatthewWilkes | so we need to fix countless persistent objects :( |
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| 22:45.09 | Corsix | aren't all __x__ reserved as potential reversed attributes? |
| 22:45.19 | MatthewWilkes | yep |
| 22:45.27 | Corsix | then why did you go using it? :p |
| 22:45.31 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: Zope EPIC fail |
| 22:45.32 | MatthewWilkes | Wasn't me! |
| 22:45.43 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: that shouldof been __annotations for sure! |
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| 22:45.57 | MatthewWilkes | We also have code that relies on __metaclass__ |
| 22:45.57 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: *bonks the dev who did that* |
| 22:46.09 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: time for some refactoring methinks |
| 22:46.10 | MatthewWilkes | iirc the argument was the __x__ convention wasn't set in stone at the time |
| 22:46.32 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: brilliant, rely on "undocument" things :P |
| 22:46.50 | MatthewWilkes | and Guido used to work for zope corp, maybe blame him :P |
| 22:47.02 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ah, mhh, fair enough |
| 22:47.24 | Corsix | but now Guido works for Google, yes? |
| 22:48.16 | lh | Corsix: has for a long time now |
| 22:48.52 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed, I doubt Zope Corp is a fun place to work |
| 22:48.55 | SRabbelier | Corsix: probably kicking the GAE team around |
| 22:49.06 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: how so? *wouldn't know* |
| 22:49.14 | SRabbelier | no sarcasm |
| 22:49.37 | SRabbelier | mhhh... how to indicate that one is absolutely not being sarcasic? |
| 22:49.43 | Corsix | !~ |
| 22:49.44 | socinfo | Error: "~" is not a valid command. |
| 22:49.53 | SRabbelier | I can imagine someone saying "no sarcasm" when they _are_ being sarcastic |
| 22:50.00 | SRabbelier | Corsix: with ~ being sarcasm? |
| 22:50.10 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Well, Zope is no longer corporate open source, Zope Corp has lost a fair bit of its mojo I think. Most of the interesting players have left for other companies |
| 22:50.10 | SRabbelier | that'd be new :p |
| 22:50.23 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ah, I see |
| 22:51.09 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Zope's BDFL is partially retired from BDing |
| 22:51.40 | MatthewWilkes | and Zope 3, the app server they use, has just been EOLed as a failure |
| 22:51.49 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: that's... kinda contradictory, what with the FL part and all :P |
| 22:51.50 | Corsix | SRabbelier: "In many online or internet communities, the tilde is used to show a sarcastic or sometimes playful connotation for the word or words to follow it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~ |
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| 22:52.49 | SRabbelier | Corsix: new to me |
| 22:53.02 | MatthewWilkes | Zope 2 is still running, but Z3 is only used by zope corp and canonical in any major way. Jim Fulton (BDFL) has suggested renaming it ZDecoy and he announced its death this week |
| 22:53.44 | SRabbelier | LOL |
| 22:53.46 | MatthewWilkes | There's currently a thread on Zope-dev asking if anyone actually wants to maintain it |
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| 22:54.28 | MatthewWilkes | launchpad = zope3, for example |
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| 22:55.05 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ah, cute |
| 22:55.26 | MatthewWilkes | </communitynews> |
| 22:55.31 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: thanks :D |
| 22:56.09 | SRabbelier | http://rafb.net/p/4xno6V90.html |
| 22:56.10 | SRabbelier | 3-way merge ftw |
| 22:56.15 | SRabbelier | eat that svn hobo's |
| 22:56.29 | SRabbelier | (I can say hobo's right? :P) |
| 22:58.50 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Probably not |
| 22:59.15 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: pffrt |
| 23:00.57 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 23:02.23 | nerd_boy | Why is it in possessive form, though? |
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| 23:04.52 | MatthewWilkes | nerd_boy: There is a nonstandard grammatical usage that specifies "x's" as the plural for non english-origin words, but it's not popular at all. Alternatively, you might be able to make a case for an apostrophe showing omission, but only if you had etymological evidence. |
| 23:05.03 | BigBambi | Hi, is there anyone that deals with the mentors list here I can have a quick word with? |
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| 23:06.49 | SRabbelier | nerd_boy: because in dutch we do put the ' for plural (1 auto, 2 auto's), since otherwise the words would sound different (auto's is pronounced like 'auto' with an 's' sound at the end, while in autos the 'o' sounds differently) |
| 23:07.01 | SRabbelier | nerd_boy: and I have a hard time unlearning that habbit, as you saw ;) |
| 23:07.03 | nerd_boy | Ach. Terribly sorry then. :/ |
| 23:07.24 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> *Preliminary* Slot Allocations Published http://tinyurl.com/slots11April - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide) - If you're doing presentations, meetups, videos, etc., let us know so we can help you promote your great work - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 23:08.25 | MatthewWilkes | waves at lh |
| 23:08.35 | MatthewWilkes | Enjoying the long weekend? |
| 23:08.48 | SRabbelier | nerd_boy: lol, no need to be :P |
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| 23:09.12 | BigBambi | Someone that deals with the authorisation to join that is |
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| 23:11.08 | SRabbelier | BigBambi: that'd be lh |
| 23:11.21 | lh | MatthewWilkes: hello dear |
| 23:11.25 | BigBambi | SRabbelier: thanks |
| 23:11.29 | lh | MatthewWilkes: what long weekend? we dont get time off for easter. |
| 23:11.37 | lh | BigBambi: whatcha need? |
| 23:11.37 | ArthurLiu | lh, I suppose a lot of orgs are resisting the urge to beg for slots and some just couldn't resist ? :) |
| 23:11.52 | Corsix | UK gets friday and monday off work |
| 23:11.52 | BigBambi | lh: May I PM you briefly? |
| 23:12.03 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Really? I assumed the US would be quite gung-ho for christian holidays. We've got a 4 day weekend. |
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| 23:12.25 | lh | ArthurLiu: i dont mind if you email me. i do mind if your *students* send me near form letter emails telling me how sad they are and how it is goign to really mess up their lives if they dont get into gsoc. |
| 23:12.28 | lh | that's LAME. |
| 23:12.32 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: I think most orgs are actually limited mostly by the amount of mentors they have |
| 23:12.33 | lh | BigBambi: go ahead |
| 23:12.33 | ChipX86 | I don't think most places here get the day after easter off |
| 23:12.50 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i think easter is less important here than it once was |
| 23:13.21 | ArthurLiu | lh, we've been pretty much hiding it from our students, we don't want to put more stress on them than there already his, finding slots for projects we want to do is our job |
| 23:13.24 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Well, the most important thing is the Dr. Who easter special. Was pretty damn good. |
| 23:13.37 | lh | ArthurLiu: exactly. |
| 23:13.44 | lh | MatthewWilkes: clearly i needs to find this |
| 23:13.47 | Corsix | It was a good DrWho |
| 23:14.02 | ChipX86 | ooh, I didn't know there was an easter special |
| 23:14.09 | lcuk | politely requests a spoiler free chan |
| 23:14.19 | MatthewWilkes | lcuk: Naturally. |
| 23:14.22 | lh | :) |
| 23:14.36 | ArthurLiu | we have one cool project that is a equal common interest to debian, perl and kde, but nobody wants to give us a slot >< |
| 23:14.45 | MatthewWilkes | Just get your fill of David Tennant while you still can, only 1 more left now |
| 23:15.02 | lh | ArthurLiu: you should email me about needing more then, not in my inbox, i dont know about it |
| 23:15.12 | Corsix | then we get some even younger doctor |
| 23:15.25 | lcuk | has iplayer on now |
| 23:15.31 | Corsix | :) |
| 23:15.32 | ArthurLiu | lh, ok cool, I'll write down the situation |
| 23:15.57 | lh | ArthurLiu: thanks |
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| 23:21.03 | flgr | lh: sorry for not being able to resist, but so that means that if you get a non-student letter asking for /a few/ more slots there actually is a realistic chance of that happening...? :) |
| 23:22.08 | lh | flgr: if another org gives slots back to the pool then it is a possibility. given that there are at least 20 orgs on file now asking for more slots, the definition of realistic is somewhat fungible |
| 23:24.51 | flgr | hm, umbrella organisation with 3 slots. I hope it might work out, however fungibly. :) |
| 23:25.12 | flgr | plus it wouldn't really mess my life up that much, anyway... :D |
| 23:25.19 | flgr | (you may call me lame now!) |
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| 23:25.49 | flgr | ah well. I'll keep them fingers crossed. :) |
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| 23:28.43 | kblin | oh well, night folks |
| 23:29.05 | Corsix | an umbrella with only 3 slots? ouch |
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| 23:29.17 | MatthewWilkes | gute Nacht |
| 23:29.26 | flgr | n8 kblin |
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| 23:30.10 | lh | night kblin |
| 23:30.18 | SRabbelier | Corsix: they might have only asked for 3 |
| 23:30.25 | lh | flgr: i have a note from your org admin already |
| 23:30.51 | SRabbelier | Corsix: hehe, nvm :P |
| 23:32.42 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Out of curiosity, how often do you get administrative requests from people other than the org-admin? |
| 23:32.58 | lh | MatthewWilkes: define administrative requests |
| 23:33.52 | lh | MatthewWilkes: during this time frame, i typically get about 50 requests a day to do something or other - tech support, issue that should be filed in tracker, etc., in addition to normal requests from org admins, etc. |
| 23:33.59 | lh | needs to drive home now, bbl |
| 23:34.06 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Things like asking for more slots, or I recall last year there was an org that emailed during selection process to beg to be accepted. The kind of thing that relates to how orgs and google interact |
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| 23:34.19 | MatthewWilkes | kk, drive safe |
| 23:34.23 | flgr | lh: thanks a lot. I know it probably doesn't amount to much, but if observations from me would be of any help (not sure, guess I can compare the quality & amount of work the mentorg is putting into this compared to ones from prev. years), I'd have no trouble at all with getting involved. thanks again and no more bothering from me. :) |
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| 23:36.06 | carldani | If an org gives back a slot, will this affect next year's allocation? Being able to move one slot from this year to next year would be awesome |
| 23:36.30 | carldani | (and yes, I know the request sounds highly unusual) |
| 23:36.45 | ArthurLiu | carldani, one slot's value changes from one year to another |
| 23:37.03 | ArthurLiu | depends on the number of applications, number of available slots, etc |
| 23:37.42 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Giving back slots to the pool looks good, but it gives you no guarantees for next year. |
| 23:38.06 | SRabbelier | carldani: LH remembers everything, and if she doesn't she has emails to remind her ;) |
| 23:38.18 | r0bby | (or irc logs!) |
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| 23:38.26 | r0bby | lh is super woman |
| 23:38.30 | carldani | ArthurLiu: I know. I just have the feeling that this year's slots would have benefited our org more if we had some of the last year... |
| 23:38.52 | ArthurLiu | carldani, if you donate to individual orgs, they may remember it the next year |
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| 23:39.58 | carldani | SRabbelier: I had bad experiences with the "if you don't use your allocated money, you get less next year" management style at work. That's why I'm cautious. |
| 23:40.22 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: Here the ethos is more "Don't waste money" |
| 23:41.18 | MatthewWilkes | carldani: If you don't believe the students are worth more than the slot would be to another org, donate it back. It will make you look like you care about the programme as a whole more than pushing your own org's needs above all else |
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| 23:41.40 | carldani | when is the deadline to donate slots? |
| 23:41.53 | carldani | I'd rather not miss that deadline |
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| 23:42.40 | MatthewWilkes | ASAP, but before the conflict resolution meeting if poss |
| 23:44.05 | SRabbelier | carldani: understandable |
| 23:44.14 | SRabbelier | carldani: read the announcement |
| 23:44.39 | carldani | MatthewWilkes: being when? I don't have access to the announcement right now (wrong machine) |
| 23:44.50 | SRabbelier | carldani: http://tinyurl.com/slots11April |
| 23:45.29 | SRabbelier | carldani: see pm |
| 23:47.47 | carldani | dumb question: what's the expected reaction time for a mentors mailing list join request? |
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| 23:59.19 | SRabbelier | carldani: whenever lh has time to |
