| 00:00.38 | superdump | for our (ffmpeg's) soc, we ask that people complete a qualification task that comprises some relatively small (for a seasoned ffmpeg dev) task |
| 00:00.54 | superdump | we're still trying to figure out who to put into one slot |
| 00:01.19 | superdump | when is the final deadline for us making this decision or gifting the slot back to the pool? |
| 00:01.37 | hypa7ia | superdump: asap |
| 00:01.50 | hypa7ia | superdump: the official slot counts are out |
| 00:01.58 | superdump | i know |
| 00:02.05 | hypa7ia | and the resolution meeting for conflicts is wednesday |
| 00:02.14 | hypa7ia | so before then would be ideal |
| 00:02.23 | hypa7ia | the slot may go unused if you leave it too long |
| 00:02.26 | superdump | but i need an actual deadline for when is the last minute that we can either choose a student or gift the slot |
| 00:02.42 | hypa7ia | if anything it's already past |
| 00:02.48 | hypa7ia | but i'd confirm that with a googler |
| 00:02.55 | holger_ | superdump: apr 15th 0700 utc |
| 00:03.00 | superdump | i shall wait for an official response then |
| 00:03.17 | ross` | superdump: what org are you mentoring |
| 00:03.22 | superdump | ffmpeg |
| 00:04.02 | holger_ | superdump: no mentor by then -> you give up the slot |
| 00:04.09 | superdump | we have mentors |
| 00:04.32 | homunq | superdump: really, the deadline is now. |
| 00:04.36 | superdump | the issue is selecting the student |
| 00:04.55 | holger_ | superdump: if you really do not want the student, just unassign the mentor by then |
| 00:05.10 | ross` | awe that sounds cruel |
| 00:05.21 | ross` | some mpoor kid who's interested wont get to work on it and get paid haha |
| 00:05.24 | Ownatik | just take me and no more problems. |
| 00:05.28 | superdump | we want a student, we have multiple to choose from, though we're not sure about them yet |
| 00:05.39 | superdump | my intent is not to start a hazy discussion about possibilities |
| 00:05.55 | superdump | i just want to know when the last point in time that a slot can be gifted back to the pool is |
| 00:05.57 | ross` | superdump: select the one who looks like he will be quite famous some day |
| 00:06.02 | superdump | i think wednesday is probable |
| 00:06.04 | homunq | superdump: " |
| 00:06.05 | homunq | ***Very Important:*** If you think you would like to donate slot(s) |
| 00:06.07 | homunq | back to the pool, please let me know ASAP. Definitely let me know no |
| 00:06.08 | homunq | later than 19:00 UTC this Sunday, 12 April. The sooner you let me know |
| 00:06.10 | homunq | about extra slots, the sooner I can redistribute them and the more |
| 00:06.11 | homunq | optimal experience will be had by all. ++ |
| 00:06.29 | superdump | ok |
| 00:06.33 | homunq | that is what l. h. said. |
| 00:06.39 | superdump | so, in that case, we have to fill the slot or it will be wasted |
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| 00:06.41 | superdump | thank you |
| 00:07.29 | holger_ | superdump: probably not. i think the final allocation is run after dup resolution. but you should really give up slots you do not want soonish. |
| 00:07.37 | homunq | superdump: I don't think so. lh would probably still redistribute it, not save it for next year or whatever. |
| 00:07.54 | homunq | but please, ASAP. |
| 00:08.07 | superdump | we want the slot, we're just still deciding who to assign to it |
| 00:08.30 | holger_ | apr 15th 0700 utc then. |
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| 00:10.05 | ross` | superdump: 1 |
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| 00:10.40 | homunq | superdump: if your students still have not completed the qualifying task, it is questionable whether it's worth it to extend the deadline for them. |
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| 00:11.03 | ross` | its no big deal to show someone how to do something ;0 |
| 00:11.14 | homunq | this might give them the impression that deadlines are generally loose, which will not be the case at midterm and final evaluations. |
| 00:11.50 | homunq | I would strongly suggest not accepting any students who still have incomplete applications. |
| 00:11.51 | superdump | it is only happening at all because we encountered a duplicate earlier |
| 00:12.13 | homunq | OK. You know your situation. I'm just saying. |
| 00:12.17 | superdump | indeed |
| 00:12.23 | hypa7ia | yeah, any students who didn't do our (minimal, non-coding) qualifying tasks didn't get considered at all |
| 00:12.48 | superdump | i will report back before 0700 UTC on the 15th |
| 00:12.50 | ross` | :( |
| 00:12.57 | ross` | i so wish i could have taken part |
| 00:13.02 | superdump | some of our qualification tasks are easier than others |
| 00:13.15 | homunq | superdump: I don't think that's fair to other orgs. |
| 00:13.33 | ross` | homunq: how> |
| 00:13.42 | hypa7ia | ross`: if you get involved with an org now, you're all the liklier to get into SoC next year |
| 00:13.44 | ross` | easier tasks mean that other orgs will get better students |
| 00:13.44 | ross` | :) |
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| 00:14.13 | homunq | If it is a matter of, we have several students that we'd accept today, we have a ongoing but incomplete process for deciding which, that's fine. |
| 00:14.47 | ross` | meh next year im not leaving it to chance |
| 00:14.59 | ross` | ill cut a deal involving like 15% of my stipend |
| 00:15.10 | ross` | there are a few projects im capable of being involved in that will jump for htat |
| 00:15.23 | homunq | If it is a matter of, we have some students who if the final deadline were today, we could not accept, then allowing more time to figure that out is risking having to cede the slot at last minute |
| 00:16.09 | homunq | and that is what lh is trying to avoid, because it puts unfair burdens on other orgs to do things at the last minute. |
| 00:16.56 | hypa7ia | 20:15 < ross`> ill cut a deal involving like 15% of my stipend |
| 00:16.59 | hypa7ia | ... |
| 00:17.11 | homunq | Say you cede the slot, and lh offers it to org A, but they cannot meet to decide in the time they have left, so she has to give it to org B. Org A would feel horrible, that is not fair. |
| 00:17.12 | ross` | vis irc |
| 00:17.55 | homunq | superdump: does that make sense? |
| 00:18.45 | superdump | it makes sense and i understand completely |
| 00:18.55 | superdump | i don't want to give the slot to an unqualified applicant |
| 00:19.15 | superdump | last year we gifted a slot back, then had an applicant qualify, then had to ask for another slot |
| 00:19.34 | scorche|sh | trusts lh to give slots a good home |
| 00:19.35 | superdump | it was a bit of a mess |
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| 00:19.46 | ross` | homunq: while i dont agree with bribary on the factor of they might choose me over another student and not get the student who has highere needs of the program |
| 00:20.12 | ross` | i still think its a good decision looking at the numbers |
| 00:20.57 | nuba | i think its a good thing they look at the proposal's merit |
| 00:21.47 | nuba | i dont think the goal is catering to student's need |
| 00:22.01 | homunq | superdump: so for this slot, could you accept someone today? |
| 00:22.01 | ross` | :( |
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| 00:22.20 | superdump | we could, yes |
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| 00:22.42 | ross` | well my plan then is get involved with some unofficially this year that im interested in |
| 00:22.45 | homunq | OK, then keep it. |
| 00:22.46 | ross` | help out |
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| 00:23.20 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: hullo |
| 00:23.25 | ross` | cut a 15% deal with a few that i think are seceptable to it, and with the others who would shun that not, make a total of 7-10 of appications total |
| 00:23.28 | ross` | hi l0nwlf_ |
| 00:25.35 | superdump | thank you for the discussion |
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| 00:25.49 | superdump | i will return for the duplicate resolution meeting if not before |
| 00:25.53 | superdump | have fun |
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| 00:27.13 | scorche | of course, that isnt here, but.... |
| 00:34.21 | ross` | scorche: he's gone |
| 00:34.22 | ross` | ;) |
| 00:34.38 | scorche | hence the "but..." ;) |
| 00:34.42 | ross` | haha |
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| 00:34.58 | ross` | i have a question ill query you |
| 00:35.10 | scorche | erm...is that really necessary? |
| 00:35.18 | scorche | most questions can freely be asked here... |
| 00:35.24 | ross` | alright but id rather not |
| 00:35.25 | ross` | w/e |
| 00:35.46 | ross` | can previously accepted students be disqualified for google stipend for cutting monetary deals with mentor orgs |
| 00:36.08 | scorche | erm...cutting monetary deals? |
| 00:36.11 | ross` | is there something *on paper* that says that |
| 00:36.21 | hypa7ia | i think bribery is outright illegal in many jurisdictions, ross` |
| 00:36.24 | hypa7ia | including the US |
| 00:36.45 | ross` | im just asking the question |
| 00:36.58 | hypa7ia | in fact it's illegal for a US citizen or business to participate in bribery /outside/ the US |
| 00:37.16 | ross` | is it *on paper* that the google stipend can be withdrawn from a previously selected student for that reason |
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| 00:37.30 | scorche | ross`: if such a thing were to happen, one should mail lh right off...but if you are looking for something "on paper", i am pretty sure somewhere in that google agreement, it says something about they have the right to pretty much do whatever they wish |
| 00:37.34 | relix | why do you think you've not been selected ross? |
| 00:37.36 | hypa7ia | and this is how things end up in the FAQ :( |
| 00:37.47 | hypa7ia | relix: ross` didn't apply |
| 00:37.52 | relix | ah |
| 00:37.54 | ross` | relix: im not talking about this yea |
| 00:37.56 | ross` | year :) |
| 00:38.02 | relix | ok :) |
| 00:38.05 | ross` | im talking about securing my position for next year by volunteering this year |
| 00:38.13 | ross` | and getting comfortable with some projects |
| 00:38.16 | hypa7ia | scorche: if you read the backscroll, ross` has been plotting bribery himself rather than worrying about a student doing it |
| 00:38.24 | scorche | oh, thats lovely |
| 00:38.25 | hypa7ia | 20:14 < ross`> meh next year im not leaving it to chance |
| 00:38.27 | hypa7ia | 20:15 < ross`> ill cut a deal involving like 15% of my stipend |
| 00:38.34 | ross` | ;0! |
| 00:38.49 | scorche | heh...he must not know open source orgs that well.... ;) |
| 00:38.56 | hypa7ia | clearly not :/ |
| 00:39.06 | ross` | wait am i misunderstanding? |
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| 00:39.24 | ross` | i was aware that google pays the stipend to the student if the mentoring org says they completed the jobs requiered |
| 00:39.29 | ross` | the orgs themselves pay? |
| 00:39.33 | scorche | nope |
| 00:39.39 | ross` | so google does pay? |
| 00:39.40 | scorche | you ahve it right in the first line |
| 00:39.42 | scorche | yes |
| 00:40.04 | ross` | alright |
| 00:40.07 | hypa7ia | ross`: orgs have more of an incentive to get good students than to accept bribes |
| 00:40.20 | ross` | well i've been involved with open source projects mostly linux distrobutions and they love donations |
| 00:40.21 | hypa7ia | and there's outside accountability in that the code students produce gets posted |
| 00:40.23 | ross` | they live off em |
| 00:40.32 | l0nwlf_ | hypa7ia: you never know ;) |
| 00:40.34 | scorche | you arent talking about a donation... |
| 00:40.35 | ross` | who said im not a good student :0 |
| 00:40.59 | ross` | scorche: yes i am |
| 00:41.00 | hypa7ia | l0nwlf_: sigh, i would hope not anyway |
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| 00:41.17 | scorche | ross`: so you wouldnt expect to get anything out of the org from this? |
| 00:41.27 | ross` | ? |
| 00:41.31 | ross` | are you kidding? or course i would |
| 00:41.37 | scorche | that isnt a donation |
| 00:41.48 | scorche | hands ross`a dictionary |
| 00:41.55 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: I think you had watched a crime thriller lately , you are masterminding a plan ;) |
| 00:42.15 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: I can give you a few suggestions in private |
| 00:42.21 | ross` | oh no you misunderstand me |
| 00:42.26 | scorche | a plan that wont work, considering the veracity of the open source admins/mentors i have met ;) |
| 00:42.35 | ross` | 19:25 <@scorche> ross`: so you wouldnt expect to get anything out of the org from this? |
| 00:42.44 | ross` | i was assuming he was talking about would i take part in the experience |
| 00:42.47 | ross` | of course i would |
| 00:42.48 | nuba | ross`: of course opensource projects, like most projects, usually like getting funds injected by donation |
| 00:42.55 | ross` | i wouldnt buy my way in for monatary reasons |
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| 00:43.11 | nuba | however, a cutback is very much different |
| 00:43.16 | ross` | id also take part in it and of course do the work |
| 00:43.32 | l0nwlf_ | ross`: lol , thats a good point |
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| 00:43.39 | nuba | would you get your project's history dirty for a few thousands? |
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| 00:44.47 | scorche | ross`: then why dont you not say anything about it and surprise the org with a donation at the end of your project? |
| 00:44.54 | saiyr | it would be much less than a single thousand at his percentage |
| 00:45.28 | ross` | you guys Completely misunderstand me! |
| 00:45.29 | ross` | so much |
| 00:45.46 | ross` | i was to take part in a project while not having obligations liek getting a summer job in the way |
| 00:45.53 | ross` | im not using this as monetary exploitation |
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| 00:46.03 | ross` | i want to take part in a fun project, and secure my position doing so :) |
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| 00:46.27 | scorche | define "secure your position" |
| 00:46.38 | araujo | Considering all you have said so far here, it'd be very easy to misunderstand you :) |
| 00:46.42 | araujo | hi all |
| 00:46.48 | nuba | i believe the right wording for this, in the greater scheme of things, for an org, is 'ass-whipping money' |
| 00:47.12 | nuba | and they wouldnt even consider touching your proposal with a 10-feet pole |
| 00:47.14 | ross` | no but with alot of projects money allows them to do more things |
| 00:47.18 | l0nwlf_ | ross` wants to tell he will work for that organization without any money/summer job so that next year his chances are much better |
| 00:47.28 | brlcad | ross`: you don't need gsoc to "take part in a project while not having obligations" |
| 00:47.38 | brlcad | if you want to get involved, get involved |
| 00:47.42 | ross` | liek airline tickets needed to attend conferences and stuff |
| 00:47.44 | nuba | most likely you'll get in a org's ban list if you approach them with such a proposal |
| 00:47.55 | brlcad | if you don't want money involved, then refuse the money |
| 00:48.26 | saiyr | brlcad: he means he wants to do open source without having to flip burgers on the side |
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| 00:48.41 | ross` | scorche: exactly! |
| 00:48.43 | ross` | saiyr: * |
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| 00:48.53 | ross` | i would love to code without my parents bothering me to get a job |
| 00:48.53 | ross` | :) |
| 00:49.16 | saiyr | i agree with the sentiment that if you're involved enough with a project then you're nearly guaranteed a spot with that project, if they are accepted |
| 00:49.17 | hypa7ia | ross`: i think what you should take from this conversation is that such a "donation" would make you less, not more, likely to get into GSoC |
| 00:49.36 | hypa7ia | because it's bribery |
| 00:49.52 | hypa7ia | and that's downright illegal in many parts of the world, including the US where google is based. |
| 00:50.03 | hypa7ia | understand? |
| 00:50.23 | ross` | hypa7ia: lol i laugh at you |
| 00:50.30 | ross` | this isnt that kind of bribe |
| 00:50.32 | nuba | ross`: if you need money, at this point, your best bet is trying to get a job which involves coding and fiddling with some opensource project you like, such that you'll have the change to get familiar with the project and then you'll most naturally come up with a good proposal for SoC 2010 |
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| 00:51.01 | ross` | i can certainly make much more freelancing with digitalpoint.com and other resources |
| 00:51.09 | ross` | i want to do a project that involves google |
| 00:51.10 | ross` | ^.^ |
| 00:51.16 | hypa7ia | 20:50 < ross`> this isnt that kind of bribe |
| 00:51.19 | saiyr | i don't think bribes are particularly classified :x |
| 00:51.22 | hypa7ia | which implies that it's still a bribe |
| 00:51.52 | brlcad | hypa7ia: only within government, outside there are plenty of valid/legal ways to effectively bribe/endorse/sponsor/fund/pay people to influence a decision, it just becomes a question of morality, business ethics, and organization rules |
| 00:52.44 | brlcad | mind you, mostly being pedantic on the "illegal" claim -- quite agree that it's almost universally unethical |
| 00:53.01 | nuba | i think theres some moral impendance between this channel, the SoC and ross` |
| 00:53.04 | nuba | impendance mismatch |
| 00:53.30 | l0nwlf_ | chuk the topic :D |
| 00:53.32 | hypa7ia | brlcad: i'm pretty sure that varieties of pay-to-play are illegal in the US as well in the private sector |
| 00:53.35 | hypa7ia | but i'll look it up |
| 00:54.35 | nuba | seriously guys, he knows clearly what he's up to and he's just practicing the sugar-coating and trying to weasel himself in |
| 00:54.59 | scorche | and it should be apparent that it isnt working |
| 00:55.01 | jasebo | it'd be a weird open source organisation that was more interested in cash than good coding |
| 00:55.13 | saiyr | brlcad: i think those questions you raise may be more significant to an open source organization than a corporation |
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| 00:55.53 | Lez | what do i do if the mentors of the project i applied vanished from the face of earth |
| 00:55.55 | Lez | ? |
| 00:55.55 | Lez | xD |
| 00:56.03 | nuba | try finding him in google mars |
| 00:56.11 | Lez | LOL |
| 00:56.14 | Lez | good idea xD |
| 00:56.37 | Raim | Lez: talk the org admin or anybody else of the org |
| 00:56.40 | Raim | +to |
| 00:56.43 | brlcad | jasebo: quite true -- it'd be like working for the Red Cross for "the big bucks" ;) |
| 00:56.54 | Lez | Raim i did talk to the admin today |
| 00:57.03 | Lez | she was clueless too because she was offline for almost a week |
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| 00:57.17 | ross` | ahhhhhhh alright this is turning into a trolling conversation so all im going to say is I want to join Gsoc for the experience of working for google, meeting interesting people, and not have to get a job over the summer. |
| 00:57.19 | brlcad | it's predominantly a volunteerism infrastructure by design |
| 00:57.24 | ross` | not for pure monetary gain! |
| 00:57.46 | alanp | ross, so, for a little monetary gain? |
| 00:57.48 | alanp | :P |
| 00:57.52 | Lez | ross` you do know that the more you talk the worst you look like right? |
| 00:57.53 | Lez | xD |
| 00:58.06 | alanp | must have missed some good stuff |
| 00:58.07 | scorche | ross`: that is fine...like i said, surprise your org at the end with a donation |
| 00:58.20 | scorche | dont tell them that up front before you are accepted |
| 00:58.23 | ross` | Lez: perfectly aware i've completely discredited myself with 85% of the channel, made myself look bad to 10% and to the other 2 they dont care and the last 3 understand what im saying :) |
| 00:58.38 | nuba | care to point the last 3? im curious... |
| 00:58.57 | hypa7ia | i understand perfectly well what you're saying, ross` |
| 00:58.58 | ross` | scorche: i've got a whole year to show dedication to orgs and to prove my coding skills and of course memories decline :) |
| 00:59.02 | Lez | i`m on the 2 percent |
| 00:59.05 | brlcad | ross`: i'll gladly take those funds off your hands for you, I'm sure the american cancer society will appreciate the donation ;) |
| 00:59.08 | hypa7ia | i just think it's a bad idea |
| 00:59.24 | hypa7ia | and i'll be mailing the mentor mailing list about it, ross`, so that people do remember |
| 00:59.31 | ross` | hypa7ia: noooo |
| 00:59.33 | jasebo | ross: wasn't having a go at you... just if anyone is worried about bribery here, I think they're in the wrong industry sector |
| 00:59.36 | ross` | hypa7ia: id rather not :) |
| 00:59.37 | scorche | ba-dum-tsch! |
| 00:59.53 | hypa7ia | ross`: that's unfortunate for you then |
| 01:00.03 | jasebo | there's nobody doing Open Source in order to earn the big bucks, so I don't worry about bribery |
| 01:00.17 | Lez | hypa7ia actually |
| 01:00.27 | scorche | jasebo: individuals, perhaps...many corps do open source for $$$ |
| 01:00.28 | nuba | ross`: cool, you have a whole year ahead of you and full of opportunities to show you've got the coding skillz and the moral ground |
| 01:00.31 | Lez | i mailed most of the lists already |
| 01:00.36 | hypa7ia | Lez: ah, thanks |
| 01:00.48 | nuba | but a quick hint: choose another nickname this new year LOL |
| 01:00.48 | jasebo | it's not like we're bank executives :-D |
| 01:00.53 | jasebo | scorche: fair point |
| 01:00.56 | Lez | also all they`ll need to do is access the logs |
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| 01:01.17 | ross` | nuba: i wish i could |
| 01:01.21 | ross` | i've had this username for like 5 years :( |
| 01:01.31 | saiyr | you can change it for 3 months :p |
| 01:01.47 | ross` | saiyr: i dont think i've hurt my rep *that* bad |
| 01:01.49 | relix | it's not very original |
| 01:01.51 | brlcad | some individuals I know actually do open source for $$ too, for the same reasons as the companies |
| 01:01.53 | scorche | dont encourage him... |
| 01:01.58 | saiyr | me neither |
| 01:02.07 | brlcad | the $$ helps keep them fed so they can keep coding on open source |
| 01:02.11 | saiyr | i understand your motivation but i think your conclusion is rather off base, personally |
| 01:02.12 | Lez | 5 years only |
| 01:02.14 | nuba | wanna buy a nick changing tool? if you donate me some paypal money i'll tell you a nice irc command that will give you a fresh nick and a new life |
| 01:02.16 | Lez | i have mine for 12 |
| 01:02.16 | Lez | xD |
| 01:02.18 | saiyr | but then again i'm a student too, so who cares |
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| 01:02.27 | ross` | Lezim only 16, its hard to have had a nick for 12 |
| 01:02.28 | relix | 8 years here |
| 01:02.34 | hypa7ia | oh hehe |
| 01:02.42 | hypa7ia | ross`: you won't be able to participate next year |
| 01:02.46 | hypa7ia | you have to be 18 |
| 01:02.51 | relix | lol |
| 01:02.51 | ross` | hypa7ia: i thought you had to be in college |
| 01:02.55 | ross` | im in my 2nd semestar |
| 01:03.03 | hypa7ia | you have to be 18 by april 20th |
| 01:03.12 | hypa7ia | epic fail dude |
| 01:03.12 | ross` | show me where it says that |
| 01:03.19 | hypa7ia | the faq |
| 01:03.19 | ross` | i read it saying you ahd to be attenting college by apr. 20 |
| 01:03.20 | Lez | Epic fail |
| 01:03.20 | brlcad | ross`: if you want to stay ethical, you undoubtedly could tell google to either keep the payment or to send it to a reputable foundation of your choosing that is set up to receive donations |
| 01:03.20 | Lez | xD |
| 01:03.21 | Fou_Fou | !faq |
| 01:03.22 | relix | he's right though, ross |
| 01:03.22 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 01:03.24 | disismt | !timeline |
| 01:03.24 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 01:03.30 | hypa7ia | relix: she |
| 01:03.57 | nuba | yeah, epic, massive and recurrent fail |
| 01:03.57 | hypa7ia | assuming you meant me, relix :) |
| 01:03.57 | relix | ross is a female name? |
| 01:04.02 | relix | ah right |
| 01:04.04 | ross` | relix: male and female |
| 01:04.05 | relix | I did meant you |
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| 01:04.09 | relix | god it's late |
| 01:04.12 | hypa7ia | <-- not a dude |
| 01:04.21 | Lez | ross` send to me xD i need the cash |
| 01:04.22 | relix | right |
| 01:04.24 | Lez | o/ |
| 01:04.28 | relix | she's right* |
| 01:04.35 | Fou_Fou | not part of that particular convo, but.. |
| 01:04.38 | Fou_Fou | <--- not a dude as well |
| 01:04.52 | relix | since when did girls venture on the interwebz |
| 01:05.00 | relix | ;) |
| 01:05.03 | Lez | <--- <prinny mode on> DOOOOD!!! |
| 01:05.04 | hypa7ia | lulz |
| 01:05.17 | scorche | relix: since ARPA... |
| 01:05.40 | relix | it was a mostly sarcastic comment, but ok :p |
| 01:05.42 | hypa7ia | high-fives Fou_Fou |
| 01:05.51 | scorche | an unneeded comment.. |
| 01:05.55 | Fou_Fou | *high-fives hypa7ia |
| 01:06.13 | hypa7ia | Fou_Fou: student or mentor? |
| 01:06.17 | relix | there are a lot of unneeded comments here |
| 01:06.26 | Fou_Fou | hypa7ia: student. You? |
| 01:06.26 | Lez | but i must agree that its not very common to have girls in the coding area O_o |
| 01:06.32 | hypa7ia | mentor :) |
| 01:06.50 | Fou_Fou | Lez: Yeah, I'm the only female CS major in my school |
| 01:06.51 | scorche | yeah...i just would imagine that it would get annoying being female and everywhere you go, hearing "there are girls ont he internet?!?!" |
| 01:06.56 | Lez | hypa7ia you`re a mentor? |
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| 01:07.02 | Lez | cool |
| 01:07.02 | Lez | xD |
| 01:07.05 | Lez | on what project |
| 01:07.08 | hypa7ia | yup |
| 01:07.10 | relix | scorche that was exactly what I was aiming for |
| 01:07.21 | l0nwlf_ | Lez: My GF is a better coder than me , she is placed in Adobe [;)] ..there are always exceptions |
| 01:07.25 | hypa7ia | xelerance (openswan / otr / dnssec) |
| 01:07.25 | saiyr | i know girls who say that on my school network D: |
| 01:07.27 | relix | laughing with the cliche |
| 01:07.53 | relix | lez, I'm a dude as well! |
| 01:07.56 | hypa7ia | scorche: i usually just point people at http://xkcd.com/322 |
| 01:07.58 | relix | let's high five! |
| 01:08.09 | Lezard | why? |
| 01:08.12 | Lezard | xD |
| 01:08.27 | brlcad | hypa7ia: that's a great xkcd |
| 01:08.28 | ross` | im ignoriong all the girl comments |
| 01:08.29 | ross` | ima guy |
| 01:08.33 | brlcad | referred to it just earlier today, actually |
| 01:08.38 | relix | because lez said he's a dude ;) |
| 01:08.42 | hypa7ia | relix: if you were part of <2% of the population you'd be high-fiving too :) |
| 01:08.52 | relix | of course |
| 01:09.03 | Lezard | agreed with hypa7ia |
| 01:09.09 | relix | like if say there are belgians in here ... |
| 01:09.10 | brlcad | ross`: you are borderline a stfu |
| 01:09.12 | relix | any belgians? please? |
| 01:09.19 | jasebo | there are belgians on the interwebs? |
| 01:09.24 | relix | me! |
| 01:09.36 | relix | I know of a guy in brussels who's also on the interwebs |
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| 01:09.39 | relix | but that's about it |
| 01:09.45 | Lezard | <=== Brazilian Here |
| 01:09.48 | jasebo | :) |
| 01:09.54 | relix | coincidence |
| 01:10.01 | relix | I just got back from a 2 week trip to Brasil! |
| 01:10.10 | Lezard | where did you go to? |
| 01:10.32 | Lezard | I live in the southest part |
| 01:10.36 | relix | Rio, Buzios, Manaus, Salvador da Bahia, and Foz do Iguacu |
| 01:10.48 | Lezard | where the summer is hot as hell and the winter is kinda cold |
| 01:11.02 | relix | I'm still on malaria-drugs |
| 01:11.17 | relix | it was an awesome trip btw |
| 01:11.33 | relix | lovely little country you're living in |
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| 01:12.54 | relix | the whole of brasil was hot as hell to me :p |
| 01:12.58 | relix | 34 degrees in Manaus |
| 01:13.06 | ross` | brlcad: all i said was im a guy |
| 01:13.19 | ross` | and im trying to get off this horrible topic / waste of space |
| 01:13.29 | scorche | /part |
| 01:13.33 | scorche | ;) |
| 01:13.48 | hypa7ia | resommends the "/disco lights" command |
| 01:13.49 | ross` | scorche: :( only if you kick me, i feel im being crucified here when i dont quite deserve it |
| 01:13.50 | devilsadvocate | brlcad, i thought that was determined long ago and people were just extracting the entertainment value of the conversation :P |
| 01:13.52 | hypa7ia | er recommends |
| 01:14.04 | Fou_Fou | ross: then if you were trying to get off the topic, why did you immediately afterwards say, "ima guy" |
| 01:14.13 | Fou_Fou | that's sorta continuing the conversation you're attempting to end |
| 01:14.18 | ross` | Fou_Fou: because people were calling me a girl? |
| 01:14.27 | ross` | i wasnt insulting anyone i simply said im a guy |
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| 01:14.35 | ross` | and it was over until you said that |
| 01:14.41 | relix | no they weren't, I only mistakenly took the statement by hypa7ia as saying that you were a girl |
| 01:14.50 | scorche | sighs |
| 01:14.53 | relix | and after about 5 seconds that was corrected |
| 01:15.00 | relix | so, Brasil |
| 01:15.08 | relix | we fished for piranhas and then ate them |
| 01:15.18 | relix | that's pretty high on my awesomeness-scale |
| 01:15.42 | saiyr | certainly beats being fished for by piranhas |
| 01:15.52 | Fou_Fou | fishing for piranhas sounds interesting |
| 01:16.18 | relix | then we petted a sloth who was too slow to run away, poor thing |
| 01:16.23 | relix | sloths are really really cute irl btw |
| 01:16.39 | relix | Fou_Fou: yeah, it took us about 2kg of beef to catch a small one though |
| 01:16.44 | relix | it's not a verry productive hobby |
| 01:17.11 | scorche | better off to just eat the beef you fish with? ;) |
| 01:17.16 | relix | indeed |
| 01:17.17 | Fou_Fou | hey, at least you can say you experienced it. I'm sure not everyone can say "I caught a piranha" |
| 01:17.20 | brlcad | ross`: it wasn't "all" you said -- the 'ignoring them because they are girls' was entirely inappropriate (and not funny) |
| 01:17.33 | relix | Fou_Fou: exactly |
| 01:17.35 | brlcad | not crucifying you, it was just inappropriate and calling it out |
| 01:17.36 | relix | it also tasted good |
| 01:17.48 | scorche | Fou_Fou: i am sure not everyone would WANT to say "I caught a piranha" ;) |
| 01:18.02 | saiyr | ross`: i think you misinterpreted that |
| 01:18.04 | relix | fish with teeth, it's so awkward |
| 01:18.15 | saiyr | err brlcad |
| 01:18.16 | saiyr | i think he meant "ignoring all the calling me a girl comments" |
| 01:18.18 | Fou_Fou | scorche: probably more appropriately, I'm not sure you'd want to admit that a piranha caught you. |
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| 01:18.30 | scorche | Fou_Fou: quite |
| 01:18.38 | traveller | ya |
| 01:18.40 | brlcad | saiyr: ah, quite possible |
| 01:18.43 | traveller | it is damn quite |
| 01:18.48 | holger_ | ross`: so i understand you're 16. gsoc requires you to be 18 to participate. so don't be sad you didn't apply in time because you wouldn't have been eligible anyway. and keep fingers crossed google is still running this 2 yrs from now |
| 01:18.49 | hypa7ia | relix: http://www.kissandmakeup.tv/2008/07/fish_pedicure.html |
| 01:18.49 | relix | they'd notice by your missing leg, though |
| 01:19.09 | brlcad | ross`: if that was your intent then my apologies, and maybe be more careful there next time :) |
| 01:19.37 | brlcad | saiyr: thanks, even following the thread, I read that quite differently |
| 01:20.43 | relix | hypa7ia: that's icky |
| 01:20.49 | relix | apparently it hurts too? |
| 01:21.03 | saiyr | i just based it off the last thing he said, i'm trying to pay less attention now :\ i can easily see how it would be misinterpreted in context |
| 01:22.32 | hypa7ia | relix: it's hella icky, and i'd bet it does hurt |
| 01:23.12 | relix | why not just use some of that soap with sand in |
| 01:23.54 | Fou_Fou | it's probably the novelty of the experience. |
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| 01:25.49 | relix | ew |
| 01:26.25 | Fou_Fou | I'm not saying it sounds like a particularly . . . pleasant experience. Could possibly appeal to people looking for 'natural' treatments |
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| 01:29.49 | relix | if it hurts, it might not be a particularly healthy natural treatment either |
| 01:29.58 | ross` | haha |
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| 01:31.53 | Lezard | back |
| 01:32.28 | Lezard | relix only 34? |
| 01:32.42 | Lezard | its 30 right now here and its 22:30 pm |
| 01:32.42 | Lezard | xD |
| 01:32.47 | relix | Lezard: it was hot enough for me :p |
| 01:33.02 | ross` | its 21:33 here ;p0 |
| 01:33.11 | ross` | Lezard: what distro do you use |
| 01:33.33 | relix | we basically continually walked around in an icky mixture of sunscreen, insect repellant (50% DEET) and sweat |
| 01:33.41 | relix | 3:33 am here |
| 01:33.42 | Lezard | it gets as high as 45 in summer and -5 in winter |
| 01:33.43 | Lezard | here |
| 01:33.54 | relix | lezard is that near iguacy then? |
| 01:34.01 | relix | iguacu* |
| 01:34.22 | relix | southwest |
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| 01:34.48 | Lezard | Kinda |
| 01:34.56 | Lezard | give me a sec and i`ll tell you how far |
| 01:35.02 | relix | ok |
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| 01:36.59 | Lezard | about 700 km |
| 01:37.04 | Lezard | south of iguaçu |
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| 01:37.07 | relix | ah ok |
| 01:37.39 | r0bby | does a dance |
| 01:37.40 | ross` | Lezard: what did you query me |
| 01:37.43 | ross` | my window blanked |
| 01:37.51 | ross` | that window is blank weird |
| 01:38.00 | ross` | try again |
| 01:38.02 | Lezard | just answered your question |
| 01:38.25 | ankitg | lobs a paper airplane at r0bby ... |
| 01:38.27 | Lezard | btw relix there are some pretty interesting things here in my state soo |
| 01:38.28 | Lezard | too |
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| 01:39.17 | Lezard | like the ruins of the jesuitics priests from some hundred years ago |
| 01:39.51 | relix | I bet |
| 01:39.54 | relix | that does sound interesting |
| 01:40.05 | relix | Brasil is chock-full of interesting stuff |
| 01:40.11 | Lezard | its a big country |
| 01:40.19 | relix | indeed it is |
| 01:40.22 | nuba | <- lives in rio de janeiro :D |
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| 01:40.50 | Lezard | 5400 km from the northern part to the southest part |
| 01:40.59 | Lezard | nuba you`re a brazilian too? |
| 01:41.09 | relix | we went to Corcovado in Rio, obviously |
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| 01:42.31 | nuba | yep |
| 01:43.12 | nuba | mineiro, from Minas Gerais, moved to Rio a couple of years ago |
| 01:43.28 | nuba | what about you? |
| 01:43.35 | Lezard | Gaucho xD |
| 01:43.43 | nuba | tche! |
| 01:43.46 | Lezard | yep |
| 01:44.33 | Lezard | home of the most beutifull girls in the country xD |
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| 01:44.43 | ross` | Lezard: i still cant se queries from you |
| 01:44.45 | nuba | indeed |
| 01:44.46 | ross` | ill reset irssi |
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| 01:44.51 | Lezard | that`s the thing i love most in Rio Grande do Sul |
| 01:45.05 | relix | Brasil is chock-full of beautiful girls |
| 01:45.14 | relix | seriously how do you guys not walk around with a constant boner |
| 01:45.20 | nuba | LOL |
| 01:45.24 | Lezard | relix you didnt come to Rio Grande do Sul |
| 01:45.44 | relix | even more pretty? |
| 01:45.47 | Lezard | yep |
| 01:45.51 | nuba | im married, cant go around trigger-happy :P |
| 01:46.11 | Lezard | gisele bundchen is from here |
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| 01:46.34 | devilsadvocate | hmm. why does that name seem familiar |
| 01:46.58 | relix | nice lezard |
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| 01:47.24 | Lezard | nuba I got a girlfriend so i can`t go trigger happy too... |
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| 01:52.36 | KNY | hey, I had my proposal marked as ineligible because I made a typo on my birthday. Is there a way I can get it reinstated? |
| 01:54.38 | dho | KNY: email lh |
| 01:55.04 | KNY | dho, that's what I was about to do but wanted to see if there was a better way |
| 01:55.05 | KNY | thanks! |
| 01:55.09 | dho | Should a student state that she wrongly entered her birthday, please |
| 01:55.09 | dho | work with the student to get a copy of government issued photo |
| 01:55.09 | dho | identification proving that she will be 18 or older on April 20, 2009 |
| 01:55.09 | dho | and send it to me. At that point I can make the call about whether the |
| 01:55.10 | dho | application can be moved back to eligible status. |
| 01:55.24 | KNY | dho, where did you find that? |
| 01:55.36 | dho | It's from an email she sent to the mentors group a couple days ago. |
| 01:55.47 | KNY | dho, excellent, thanks again! |
| 01:55.51 | dho | No problem. |
| 01:57.25 | KNY | dho, the email she sent to the students group (BCC-style) the other day was from one address (@gmail.com) to another (@google.com). Do you know if there's a preferred one? |
| 01:59.41 | dho | Her most recent email to the mentors list is from gmail. |
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| 02:00.15 | summatusmentis | I would guess she reads both pretty frequently |
| 02:00.51 | dho | She just flew from CA to NY, but I'm sure she can (and does) access both. |
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| 02:01.33 | r0bby | I'll be meeting her soon :) |
| 02:01.45 | r0bby | is going to Open everything |
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| 02:03.41 | relix | r0bby: that sounds ... disturbing |
| 02:04.14 | Mkop | who all can see comments that I leave on my proposal? any mentors? any mentors for the particular organization? |
| 02:05.11 | Ryan52 | mentors from the organization is all, afaict. |
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| 02:06.35 | r0bby | relix: http://nyc.openeverything.us |
| 02:06.57 | r0bby | where lh is likely :-) |
| 02:06.59 | r0bby | or will be |
| 02:07.24 | allen | !timeline |
| 02:07.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 02:07.37 | Mkop | is it unusual to get a comment from a different mentor from the same organization, asking me to apply for his project now? |
| 02:07.55 | r0bby | hrm? |
| 02:07.59 | Ryan52 | r0bby: wtf is that? |
| 02:08.43 | r0bby | some kind of conference bout open source |
| 02:08.46 | r0bby | sounds fun |
| 02:08.47 | r0bby | shrug |
| 02:08.48 | relix | oh |
| 02:08.50 | r0bby | Better be |
| 02:08.56 | Ryan52 | haha |
| 02:09.00 | relix | I thought you meant you're going to open something |
| 02:09.04 | relix | like the verb to open |
| 02:09.05 | r0bby | im getting up at an ungodly hour to get there |
| 02:09.10 | Mkop | lol |
| 02:09.27 | Mkop | I don't get up at ungodly hours, I just stay up until ungodly hours |
| 02:09.34 | Ryan52 | ok, it doesn't say open source. -.- |
| 02:09.53 | relix | I'm off for some sleepy |
| 02:10.03 | relix | nn everyone |
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| 02:37.44 | summatusmentis | Landon: hacked firefox to have vertical tabs :) |
| 02:39.23 | l0nwlf_ | summatusmentis: how exactly ? |
| 02:39.35 | summatusmentis | l0nwlf_: google widefox |
| 02:39.53 | summatusmentis | then if you're running 3.0 you need to change something in the tabmixplus jar |
| 02:41.09 | saiyr | that sounds like it would be nice, past the crazy initial disorientation |
| 02:41.27 | saiyr | i have a chrome window open where the only thing i can see on tabs are the favicons |
| 02:41.47 | summatusmentis | it's a little bit weird, but it's nice |
| 02:41.58 | summatusmentis | allows for many more tabs to be visible |
| 02:42.20 | saiyr | and makes more use of widescreen i guess |
| 02:42.31 | summatusmentis | well, yeah, that's the point |
| 02:42.31 | saiyr | i wish 4:3 hadn't been practically phased out |
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| 02:42.53 | summatusmentis | websites aren't designed for widescreen, so why have the extra space just empty? |
| 02:43.18 | saiyr | what IS designed for widescreen, anyway :| movies |
| 02:43.27 | summatusmentis | movies |
| 02:43.43 | summatusmentis | and it's nice having extra screen real estate |
| 02:44.10 | saiyr | well, due to not very good tiling abilities of windows, i would rather have that real estate in separate monitors |
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| 02:44.52 | saiyr | i guess rotated widescreens would be okay, but mine are fixed |
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| 02:46.38 | olegfink | summatusmentis: extra screen estate? you don't get more pixels for a widescreen. |
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| 02:47.32 | saiyr | dollarwise you do, 4:3s seem to be more expensive nowadays |
| 02:48.20 | olegfink | heh, most of the 4:3 screens I use are from old good days |
| 02:48.48 | saiyr | i recently replaced my 4:3 17" with wide 22", but i would have preferred 4:3 20" if they weren't so expensive |
| 02:48.51 | summatusmentis | olegfink: perhaps not, but it feels like I can fit more across than I could before |
| 02:48.57 | summatusmentis | which is mostly what i care about |
| 02:49.27 | cjhopman | saiyr: yeah, in my lab i have a like 21'' widescreen rotated vertically... it is so nice |
| 02:49.46 | cjhopman | fits so much code in one screen |
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| 02:50.17 | summatusmentis | cjhopman: I use visor+terminal.app so I only use a terminal on half my screen |
| 02:50.20 | saiyr | yeah one of our windows labs here has a bunch of those |
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| 02:51.12 | saiyr | the nice thing about the 22" is that the way emacs came configured, split column windows gives perfect 80 columns on both sides when maximized :p |
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| 04:08.12 | jasebo | !timeline |
| 04:08.13 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 04:11.28 | bet` | !next |
| 04:11.28 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 04:17.12 | firesoul | good morning .. |
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| 04:28.13 | asmeurer | good night |
| 04:28.22 | jasebo | afternoon :D |
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| 04:28.58 | nsquare | night here also :D |
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| 04:30.19 | liu | afternoon :-D |
| 04:30.56 | ross` | afternoon ;0? |
| 04:31.00 | ross` | its 12:30 AM |
| 04:31.09 | jasebo | no, it's 2:31pm |
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| 04:55.07 | dberkholz | kblin: ping |
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| 05:10.52 | disismt | Do we get to know whether our proposals were accepted tomorrow? |
| 05:11.05 | literal | !next |
| 05:11.05 | dberkholz | that's the 20th |
| 05:11.05 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 05:11.44 | disismt | Will students be allowed inside #gsoc-resolve?| |
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| 05:14.25 | summatusmentis | disismt: my understanding is yes, but keep quiet |
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| 05:14.40 | summatusmentis | don't quote me on that though |
| 05:14.52 | disismt | summatusmentis: you were there last year na? |
| 05:15.01 | summatusmentis | I wasn't there |
| 05:15.06 | summatusmentis | I was a student last year |
| 05:15.17 | disismt | ok |
| 05:15.33 | disismt | summatusmentis: are you saying you are a mentor now? |
| 05:15.36 | summatusmentis | I'm pretty sure lh said students would be allowed this year |
| 05:15.43 | summatusmentis | nope, a hopeful student again :) |
| 05:15.47 | summatusmentis | I'm not good enough to be a mentor |
| 05:17.07 | scorche | <summatusmentis> disismt: my understanding is yes, but keep quiet |
| 05:17.10 | scorche | nods |
| 05:17.30 | summatusmentis | there, an answer more official than mine |
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| 05:18.04 | disismt | I have a feeling #gsoc-resolve is gonna be very noisy |
| 05:18.19 | summatusmentis | lh is good at managing noise, but yes |
| 05:19.05 | Catfish_Man | likely just +m it and +v the mentors |
| 05:19.13 | disismt | I applied to just one org, but I am hoping I will know tomorrow if I got accepted :D |
| 05:19.16 | Catfish_Man | or even better +v only the mentor who needs to talk |
| 05:19.18 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: good point |
| 05:19.24 | literal | disismt: you won't |
| 05:19.26 | summatusmentis | disismt: you won't :) |
| 05:19.40 | summatusmentis | I hope to watch, because I think it'll be interesting |
| 05:20.21 | disismt | this is torture :( I cant wait till 20 |
| 05:20.30 | summatusmentis | bummer... I'll be in class when it starts |
| 05:20.45 | saiyr | disismt: all the urls that we can't view make it even better ;) |
| 05:20.55 | summatusmentis | ha |
| 05:21.08 | nsquare | what if a student gets accepted by 2 orgs. will he/she be asked for preference? |
| 05:21.11 | saiyr | in the topic i mean, i seem to be incapable of completing my sentences today |
| 05:21.32 | nsquare | before that resolve meeting |
| 05:21.38 | literal | nsquare: if either option is good for the orgs, then probably yes |
| 05:21.42 | summatusmentis | nsquare: I don't know how that works, it's possible, I suppose |
| 05:22.16 | disismt | I am wondering why google need 5 more days when all conflicts will be resolved by 15th? |
| 05:22.28 | saiyr | conflicts begin to be resolved on the 15th |
| 05:22.32 | summatusmentis | they won't all be solved by the 15th |
| 05:22.41 | scorche | disismt: if you cant wait, you can always withdraw ;) |
| 05:22.47 | scorche | then you wont have to wait to know! |
| 05:22.50 | disismt | huh |
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| 05:24.13 | kumarabhi | when will the discussion start in #gsoc-resolve?| ? |
| 05:24.23 | summatusmentis | read the topic |
| 05:24.31 | disismt | melange should have had an option for students to rank their proposals to different orgs. That way all this gsoc-resolve thing won't be needed/ |
| 05:24.45 | nerd_boy | disismt: I already suggested that in the issues page |
| 05:24.49 | nerd_boy | It got shot down. :< |
| 05:24.51 | scorche | disismt: there is more to it than that |
| 05:25.28 | kumarabhi | seems there is nobody there in that channel! |
| 05:25.43 | summatusmentis | kumarabhi: not yet |
| 05:25.47 | summatusmentis | you haven't read the topic |
| 05:26.03 | kumarabhi | topic is not displayed there! |
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| 05:26.24 | summatusmentis | kumarabhi: type /topic |
| 05:26.28 | summatusmentis | and read it, in here |
| 05:26.30 | kumarabhi | ok |
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| 05:58.14 | scorche | ugh...why are people still whining about missing the deadline? |
| 06:00.08 | MaNI | spoilt too much as kids |
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| 06:04.05 | LAZy_BOy | !slots |
| 06:04.06 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 06:04.31 | r0bby | scorche: if they can't meet the deadlines (yeh welcome to the real world!) tough luck |
| 06:05.07 | scorche | pretty much....i dont get why some students *still* dont get that and move on |
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| 06:07.59 | saiyr | scorche: even at the grad student level it still happens, so :| |
| 06:08.35 | saiyr | both of my networking projects have had extended deadlines even though the prof was supposedly tough on deadlines |
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| 06:10.18 | r0bby | saiyr: that is where the similarities end, this is a JOB |
| 06:10.33 | r0bby | in the real world deadlines exist. Abide by them or move on :) |
| 06:11.10 | r0bby | I've been notoriously hard-lined on trying to curb the noise on the lists |
| 06:11.22 | saiyr | i'm not disagreeing, just stating how far the problem goes :b |
| 06:11.34 | MaNI | the fact that the deadline has been moved several years in a row probably doesn't help |
| 06:11.55 | r0bby | Well students relying on that are foolish. |
| 06:12.03 | MaNI | ofc |
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| 06:12.18 | MaNI | it still makes it more likely they will though, and hence more whining |
| 06:12.20 | r0bby | I submitted my proposal on the day applications were being accepted |
| 06:12.21 | r0bby | :) |
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| 06:12.50 | MaNI | not condoning it at all |
| 06:12.55 | r0bby | I know |
| 06:12.58 | r0bby | it's sad |
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| 06:13.12 | r0bby | These are ADULTS |
| 06:13.13 | saiyr | us students love to procrastinate |
| 06:13.23 | r0bby | don't I know it :) |
| 06:13.25 | saiyr | i mean those students, i am a very hard worker ;) |
| 06:13.27 | scorche | we said many times to not count on a deadline extension....the thing with past years is that the student applications accepted days were originally much shorter than this year's...this year had about the same time period, so no deadline was really needed to provide the same amount of time for appplication submission |
| 06:13.55 | scorche | also, it is much easier on the mentors, as we make arrangements for ranking, reviewing, etc according to the schedule |
| 06:14.01 | MaNI | scorche, the thing is they have said that in previous years and then an extension came anyway |
| 06:14.21 | MaNI | scorche, when you say things repeatedly and then do something else people do begin to expect you to do it anyway |
| 06:14.25 | r0bby | So whine and whine and whine |
| 06:14.32 | r0bby | I hope those whiners don't get selected |
| 06:14.32 | MaNI | again without good reason |
| 06:14.42 | scorche | and in previous years they had much less time...but when we say "dont count on an extension" and they dont take us seriously, then it is their own fault ;) |
| 06:14.44 | saiyr | r0bby: if they're whining, seems like they probably can't be, eh? |
| 06:14.44 | MaNI | but it is a typical behaviour |
| 06:15.01 | r0bby | saiyr: oh right |
| 06:15.16 | r0bby | but funny thing is: the list is archived forever :) |
| 06:15.18 | nsquare | ooh .. deadline extension .. did not know that happened last year ;) |
| 06:15.34 | r0bby | my behavior from last summer is there for the world to see |
| 06:15.40 | r0bby | learned a lesson |
| 06:15.42 | MaNI | counting on any extension ever though is very foolish |
| 06:15.44 | r0bby | FILTERS! |
| 06:16.03 | saiyr | oh, i forgot those lists existed, i'm not subscribed to any |
| 06:16.09 | r0bby | I am :) |
| 06:16.12 | saiyr | apparently i'm not missing anything |
| 06:16.29 | r0bby | subscribe to the meetups list i started last year during the community bonding period |
| 06:16.36 | r0bby | then it became more official and I handed it over to lh |
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| 06:17.13 | r0bby | http://groups.google.com/groups/gsoc-meetups |
| 06:17.15 | r0bby | i think |
| 06:17.47 | saiyr | http://groups.google.com/group/google-soc-meetups |
| 06:17.49 | r0bby | http://groups.google.com/group/google-soc-meetups |
| 06:17.50 | r0bby | yeh |
| 06:17.51 | r0bby | that :) |
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| 06:18.43 | r0bby | if you're from the us: http://groups.google.com/group/google-soc-us |
| 06:19.11 | r0bby | few groups i started :) |
| 06:19.31 | saiyr | i live in a cornfield so i don't think i could convince myself to make it out to these things :< |
| 06:20.45 | skbohra | I am interested to know how payments are made |
| 06:21.02 | shirish_afk | skbohra, seems restless lolz.. |
| 06:21.02 | shirish_afk | :P |
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| 06:21.24 | skbohra | shirish_afk: afk? :P |
| 06:21.45 | shirish | lolz |
| 06:21.48 | skbohra | lol |
| 06:21.49 | shirish | forgot |
| 06:21.58 | shirish | which org skbohra |
| 06:22.02 | skbohra | shirsh: I am restless |
| 06:22.09 | skbohra | shrish: sahana |
| 06:22.34 | skbohra | shirsh: are you gsoc alumnus? |
| 06:22.36 | shirish | excuse me sahana ? |
| 06:22.40 | shirish | Nopes |
| 06:22.54 | skbohra | sahana disaster management software |
| 06:23.00 | skbohra | sahana.lk |
| 06:23.03 | skbohra | :) |
| 06:23.04 | shirish | Oh ! kk |
| 06:23.05 | shirish | :) |
| 06:23.12 | shirish | first timer ? |
| 06:23.27 | skbohra | I wasn't selected last year :) |
| 06:23.40 | shirish | this is my first time :) |
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| 06:24.22 | skbohra | shirish: which org you have applied for? |
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| 06:25.33 | shirish | WF and Tux |
| 06:25.45 | skbohra | cool |
| 06:25.55 | shirish | where're ye from ? |
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| 06:26.31 | shirish | off again.. :) |
| 06:26.37 | shirish | see you skbohra |
| 06:26.43 | skbohra | thinks that we should move to ##gsoc-india or people we kick us :P |
| 06:27.03 | skbohra | /s/we/will |
| 06:27.08 | shirish_afk | ha ha |
| 06:27.10 | shirish_afk | just a sec |
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| 06:42.30 | gaurav_hiiii | abe 13 US ke liye kal raat 12 baje ki hai :) |
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| 06:42.56 | skbohra | gaurv_hiiii: ^^ |
| 06:43.04 | r0bby | night. |
| 06:43.15 | gaurav_hiiii | sry |
| 06:43.15 | r0bby | gaurav_hiiii: speak english |
| 06:43.15 | pushkalcodes | gaurav_hiiii: ^^ lol |
| 06:43.22 | r0bby | please speak english* |
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| 07:34.44 | scorche | oh no...not again.... |
| 07:34.55 | scorche | ( @ latest mail on mentor's list) |
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| 07:35.58 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 07:36.03 | susscorfa | !mail |
| 07:36.03 | socinfo | Error: "mail" is not a valid command. |
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| 07:38.16 | Abhinav1 | !next |
| 07:38.16 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 07:39.05 | Ryan52 | socinfo: which one? |
| 07:39.05 | socinfo | Error: "which" is not a valid command. |
| 07:39.09 | Ryan52 | err. |
| 07:39.12 | Ryan52 | scorche: which one? |
| 07:39.19 | scorche | [00:34:44] <@scorche> ( @ latest mail on mentor's list) |
| 07:39.46 | Ryan52 | I don't know which is the latest...haha, ok, I'll stop being lazy and look at the archives. |
| 07:40.45 | scorche | introductions thread |
| 07:41.07 | brlcad | oh god, please not again :) |
| 07:41.21 | Ryan52 | "Messages 1 - 25 of 403" |
| 07:41.25 | Ryan52 | woah. |
| 07:41.50 | scorche | last year it went to >400 mails and was likely the biggest waste of bandwidth since <horrid pop artist here> was torrented illegally |
| 07:41.59 | scorche | brlcad: seriously =( |
| 07:42.04 | Ryan52 | heh |
| 07:42.17 | brlcad | last year there were hundreds that chimed in .. it was actually interesting for about the first 50 or 100 or so, then it was just painful |
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| 07:43.06 | scorche | why cant we just use a wiki for these things like we did for the mentor summit instead of filling the inboxes of people who are required to be on the list as a mentor? |
| 07:43.57 | thebolt | scorche: propose that? |
| 07:43.58 | scorche | i was hoping that people got their mails out on the off-topic rants and we wouldnt have to go through this introduction thread again... |
| 07:44.13 | scorche | thebolt: i think i will... |
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| 07:46.22 | scorche | steals a line from brlcad |
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| 07:59.22 | thebolt | scorche: karma up :) |
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| 08:03.53 | shyamheartbreakk | !timeline |
| 08:03.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 08:07.28 | carldani | anyone willing to set up a filtered forward for the mentors list which has only the announcements? |
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| 08:08.34 | carldani | sure, I can always filter all mails of the mentor list to /dev/null, but that's not really the idea of bein on the list |
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| 08:30.30 | ArthurLiu | hello, we're undecided between two proposals as our last ranked proposal, is there a way we can know whether the one we ranked just behind our cutoff line would be a duplicate ? |
| 08:30.58 | Catfish_Man | ArthurLiu: I believe that will become apparent after the duplicates meeting |
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| 08:32.21 | smtms | if it is a duplicate, you think it should be given less priority? |
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| 08:32.35 | ArthurLiu | well, we would be much more confortable rejecting it |
| 08:33.02 | ArthurLiu | since he would have somewhere else to go |
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| 08:36.02 | thebolt | ArthurLiu: maybe ask the student if he have applied somewhere else and then talk to those mentors? |
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| 08:36.27 | ArthurLiu | thebolt, he applied to nmap, but the nmap guys aren't on IRC and still haven't replied to mails.. |
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| 08:37.18 | vinod | hi. |
| 08:37.21 | shirish | pardon my ignorance.. :) what are duplicate applications thebolt |
| 08:37.32 | vinod | any mentor or admin here from ASF |
| 08:37.40 | ArthurLiu | and their mailing list is not archived... |
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| 08:38.10 | mlankhorst | coffee withdrawal sucks :x |
| 08:40.34 | ArthurLiu | so, do we have to switch the two applications just below and over the the cut-off line and wait for the next duplicate accepted students list ? |
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| 08:42.10 | Lezard | morning |
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| 08:42.36 | scorche | mlankhorst: tea to gently wean you off? |
| 08:43.50 | shirish | Lezard, Afternoon.. |
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| 08:44.20 | mlankhorst | scorche: nah, I prefer more radical solutions :) |
| 08:44.27 | Lezard | its almost 6 am here |
| 08:44.36 | Lezard | what about there? |
| 08:44.54 | shirish | 1415 hrs |
| 08:45.06 | shirish | well 2 15 PM :P |
| 08:45.10 | shirish | he eh |
| 08:45.27 | Jibesh | and the heat is just killing |
| 08:45.39 | shirish | agrees with Jibesh |
| 08:46.05 | mlankhorst | I'll just stay off it for a week or 2, dunno what I'm gonna do after that :) |
| 08:46.06 | Lezard | how hot? |
| 08:46.28 | abcdefghijk | one proposal of mine has no comment yet, what does it mean? |
| 08:46.30 | Jibesh | 40 |
| 08:46.32 | Jibesh | c |
| 08:46.33 | shirish | 1000 F |
| 08:46.34 | shirish | :P kidding |
| 08:47.00 | shirish | thinks that abcdefghijk mentors are quite busy |
| 08:47.00 | ArthurLiu | abcdefghijk, nothing, or everything, depends on your proposal, mentors, org, etc |
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| 08:47.18 | mlankhorst | It means nothing :P |
| 08:47.41 | shirish | All the answers lie in the question... self explanatory |
| 08:47.42 | shirish | :P |
| 08:47.44 | vinod | any mentor or admin here from ASF ? |
| 08:47.50 | abcdefghijk | ArthurLiu: ä½ å¥½ |
| 08:47.58 | scorche | !anyone |
| 08:47.58 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 08:48.10 | solo1 | !anyone |
| 08:48.10 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 08:48.21 | mlankhorst | !botabuse |
| 08:48.21 | socinfo | Error: "botabuse" is not a valid command. |
| 08:48.23 | mlankhorst | ;o |
| 08:48.25 | shirish | solo1, started playing :D |
| 08:48.44 | shirish | !get out |
| 08:48.44 | socinfo | Error: "get" is not a valid command. |
| 08:48.48 | shirish | !getout |
| 08:48.48 | socinfo | Error: "getout" is not a valid command. |
| 08:48.52 | shirish | :P |
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| 08:49.01 | solo1 | :) |
| 08:49.11 | shirish | which org solo1 |
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| 08:49.21 | solo1 | boost c++ |
| 08:49.23 | solo1 | you? |
| 08:49.31 | Lezard | hmm yeah 40 is hot |
| 08:49.33 | mlankhorst | !learn botabuse as If you want to play with the bot, do it in private messages, abusing will get you a warning, silence, kick or ban depending on mood.. |
| 08:49.34 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 08:49.35 | scorche | !learn botabuse as Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel) |
| 08:49.36 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 08:49.41 | scorche | mlankhorst: bah |
| 08:49.42 | mlankhorst | scorche: :P |
| 08:49.57 | scorche | !forget botabuse |
| 08:49.57 | socinfo | Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 08:50.02 | scorche | !forget botabuse 1 |
| 08:50.02 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 08:50.05 | mlankhorst | curse you! |
| 08:50.08 | scorche | =) |
| 08:50.10 | mlankhorst | !forget botabuse 1 |
| 08:50.10 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 08:50.11 | mlankhorst | :P |
| 08:50.20 | scorche | !learn botabuse as Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel) |
| 08:50.21 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:50.37 | abcdefghijk | !help |
| 08:50.37 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 08:50.42 | abcdefghijk | !next |
| 08:50.42 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 08:50.43 | shirish | prevent spam ! |
| 08:50.46 | shirish | :) |
| 08:51.01 | shirish | socinfo .. overloaded .. shutting down. . .. . . .. . |
| 08:51.01 | socinfo | Error: ".." is not a valid command. |
| 08:51.17 | abcdefghijk | !time |
| 08:51.17 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 08:51.18 | mlankhorst | socinfo: tell shirish botabuse |
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| 08:51.57 | shirish | why me mlankhorst ? :( |
| 08:52.09 | rolly1975 | vinod, im from ASF - whats up? |
| 08:52.29 | shirish | AF ? |
| 08:52.32 | vinod | hi rolly1975 |
| 08:52.33 | shirish | ASF ? |
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| 08:53.51 | vinod | rolly1975: i thought to ask you about the top-ranked list |
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| 08:54.08 | vinod | but now my mentor is online so i'll ask him |
| 08:54.10 | vinod | and thank you for ur reply |
| 08:54.19 | vinod | thank you rolly |
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| 08:54.50 | ankitg | Hello lh ... nice to she you here again ... |
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| 08:55.25 | mlankhorst | lh :O |
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| 08:55.55 | mlankhorst | mm why not? Only 02:00 her time :D |
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| 08:57.24 | shirish | !timeline |
| 08:57.24 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 09:01.54 | skbohra | hi all restless gsocers :D |
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| 09:02.33 | aghisla | hi skbohra, hi all |
| 09:02.58 | skbohra | hi aghisla |
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| 09:04.22 | skbohra | aghisla: how's it going |
| 09:05.04 | aghisla | skbohra: waiting for monday's announce and preparing 2 exams :) |
| 09:05.46 | skbohra | aghisla: bit same here |
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| 09:48.33 | daste | lh, ping |
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| 09:50.41 | gokhru | hello everyone |
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| 09:52.14 | gokhru | I have a few questions regarding GSoC |
| 09:53.19 | gokhru | Can anyone clarify the doubts I have |
| 09:53.20 | gokhru | ? |
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| 09:53.46 | ajuonline | not unless you ask |
| 09:53.49 | Abhinav1 | gokhru:You can ask here |
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| 09:54.43 | gokhru | It has been announced on the GSoC site that there would be an IRC meeting to resolve conflicts |
| 09:55.04 | ajuonline | gokhru: yeah, its in the topic. |
| 09:55.19 | gokhru | How would an applicant come to know that he has been accepted for multiple organizations |
| 09:55.20 | ajuonline | gokhru: it happens on wednesday |
| 09:55.34 | ajuonline | gokhru: the organisations will contact you, via email, probably, before that to sort it out. |
| 09:55.49 | gokhru | ok |
| 09:56.21 | gokhru | the time for signing up and assigning a mentor is 7:00 UTC |
| 09:56.38 | gokhru | so organizations would contact after it right ? |
| 09:57.10 | ajuonline | gokhru: you have provided your contact information/email etc in all your proposals? |
| 09:57.17 | gokhru | yeah |
| 09:57.30 | gokhru | butI haen't recieved any such mail yet |
| 09:57.38 | ajuonline | gokhru: now all you can do is sit and relax. and in case someone contacts you respond. |
| 09:57.39 | gokhru | *haven't |
| 09:57.46 | gokhru | ok |
| 09:57.48 | gokhru | :) |
| 09:58.11 | gokhru | thank you for the help |
| 09:58.20 | ajuonline | you are welcome :) |
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| 09:58.51 | disismt | ajuonline, how you doing? |
| 09:59.19 | ajuonline | disismt: doing great, how about you? |
| 09:59.28 | ajuonline | disismt: i see that you pinged me yesterday :P do I know you ;) ? |
| 10:00.11 | disismt | not really, I see you so many times on IRC, its like I know you :D |
| 10:00.25 | disismt | *from India too btw |
| 10:00.50 | ajuonline | ah great :) |
| 10:00.56 | ajuonline | disismt: ##gsoc-india |
| 10:00.58 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 10:09.47 | shirish_afk | !timeline |
| 10:09.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 10:26.01 | hkpco | hi |
| 10:27.04 | ar1nd4m | hkpco, hi |
| 10:27.10 | hkpco | :-) |
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| 10:28.15 | ar1nd4m | so does anyone know how many applications will be accepted per company ? |
| 10:28.42 | Ivanovic | depends on the org |
| 10:28.45 | gevaerts | hard to know. Which organisations are companies? |
| 10:29.00 | Ivanovic | gevaerts: i think with 'company' he means orgs |
| 10:29.13 | gevaerts | possibly :) |
| 10:29.18 | ar1nd4m | yeah, sorry. I meant organizations |
| 10:29.41 | gevaerts | It's mostly known, yes, but the numbers are still confidential |
| 10:30.11 | Ivanovic | rough numbers are known but private and they vary from org to org |
| 10:30.25 | Ivanovic | huge (umbrella) orgs got more slots than smaller projects |
| 10:30.38 | Ivanovic | the range is basically between 1 and 50 slots (really rough estimates) |
| 10:31.10 | ar1nd4m | Ivanovic, ok. Is it dependent on the number of applications or the number of projects or the size of the organization ? |
| 10:32.01 | ajuonline | !guess |
| 10:32.01 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
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| 10:32.36 | Ivanovic | ar1nd4m: on *all* of those points |
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| 10:38.44 | patri | !next |
| 10:38.44 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 10:39.11 | kblin | waves at Ivanovic |
| 10:39.33 | Ivanovic | hi kblin |
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| 10:43.08 | ross` | Lezard: hi |
| 10:43.13 | ross` | Lezard: are you here |
| 10:44.24 | kblin | dberkholz: ping |
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| 10:59.27 | kblin | Chainsaw: hey there |
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| 11:00.48 | Chainsaw | Hello there kblin. |
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| 11:05.20 | apinto | next! |
| 11:05.24 | apinto | !next |
| 11:05.24 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 11:05.29 | jaguarandi | xD |
| 11:05.34 | apinto | :P |
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| 11:06.06 | kblin | Chainsaw: you don't happen to know dberkholz time zone, being a gentoo dev and all? |
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| 11:06.29 | Chainsaw | kblin: He's in the US, let me find out where. |
| 11:06.51 | Chainsaw | kblin: He's in Oregon: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/userinfo.xml |
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| 11:10.13 | FangWang | !logs |
| 11:10.13 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 11:10.56 | kblin | Chainsaw: thanks |
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| 11:18.31 | kblin | prepares a bear-trap for tonight |
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| 11:25.24 | dberkholz | kblin: you gonna be around in a couple of hours? |
| 11:25.44 | kblin | dberkholz: sure |
| 11:25.47 | dberkholz | kblin: just about to walk out the door to have a discussion with a class at the uni i'm visiting |
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| 11:25.58 | dberkholz | it's 7:30am here, fwiw |
| 11:26.04 | kblin | dberkholz: ah, so you're not at home? |
| 11:26.22 | dberkholz | nope |
| 11:26.26 | dberkholz | my ride's here, bbl |
| 11:26.33 | kblin | dberkholz: see you |
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| 11:31.18 | goer | test |
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| 11:33.07 | goer | am I typing english letters? |
| 11:33.12 | straydawg | yes, goer |
| 11:33.17 | goer | ok, thanks |
| 11:33.19 | shirish | no doubt |
| 11:33.20 | shirish | :P |
| 11:33.34 | MatthewWilkes | goer: What were you expecting? |
| 11:33.47 | shirish | well a response from the channel i guess Mathiasdm |
| 11:33.53 | shirish | sorry MatthewWilkes |
| 11:35.10 | shirish | goer, which org ? |
| 11:35.26 | goer | there are problems with tuning of right codepage in kopete... sometimes I'm typing in horrible foreign letters.. |
| 11:35.54 | goer | shirish I've just joined to see what happens here |
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| 11:36.51 | shirish | ha ha guessed from the first words you entered in :D |
| 11:36.54 | shirish | !help |
| 11:36.54 | socinfo | "help" is see !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki |
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| 11:37.32 | goer | will read |
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| 11:41.56 | ishan | hey "Duplicate Accepted Students Update " the time you mention should we(students) also got to be there or just mentors |
| 11:42.29 | shirish | ishan, dint get you ? |
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| 11:43.34 | ishan | just want to know should students also got to be in that time |
| 11:43.35 | kblin | ishan: it's mainly for org admins |
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| 11:44.39 | kblin | ishan: but if you've applied at multiple orgs, be sure your mentors know your preference |
| 11:45.12 | kblin | at least if you care where you end up |
| 11:45.40 | ishan | how to let them that know should i comment under my profosal or send mail to them |
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| 11:46.15 | schumaml | oh, btw: melange org admin, seen my mail about the duplicate student? |
| 11:47.25 | kblin | schumaml: you might want to ping SRabbelier |
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| 11:48.55 | schumaml | kblin: backup admin? |
| 11:49.23 | kblin | schumaml: oh, wait, I misunderstood.. |
| 11:49.36 | kblin | schumaml: you're talking about a dup between your org and melange |
| 11:49.43 | schumaml | I did guess so, but wasn't sure :) |
| 11:49.49 | schumaml | exactly |
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| 11:51.01 | shirish | kblin, is this for resolving for the students who have applied for multiple organizations |
| 11:51.01 | shirish | ?? |
| 11:51.11 | kblin | schumaml: but as pawel doesn't see to be in, I figure SRabbelier might be a good person to talk to |
| 11:51.40 | kblin | shirish: it is for giving an easy option to resolve conflicts if you're accepted at multiple orgs |
| 11:51.49 | gaurav_hiiii_ | does it mean the orgs have to decide the final ranking by tomoorow |
| 11:52.07 | gaurav_hiiii_ | i mean can they change the ranks afterwards |
| 11:52.17 | shirish | thanks kblin |
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| 11:52.56 | gaurav_hiiii_ | kblin:plz clear my doubt. |
| 11:53.16 | kblin | gaurav_hiiii_: they can change ranks, but usually that's just done to resolve conflicts |
| 11:53.27 | kblin | because otherwise new conflicts might come up |
| 11:53.37 | ross` | ;0 how conflicting! |
| 11:53.39 | ishan | :-?kblin...how to let mentor know my preference ...should i comment on my proposal or some other way?? |
| 11:53.59 | ross` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.00 | kblin | commenting on the proposal sounds like a good plan |
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| 11:54.31 | kblin | basically communication is the key, as always |
| 11:54.44 | kblin | most mentor orgs will listen to the student's preference |
| 11:54.56 | kblin | but they don't have to, of course |
| 11:55.10 | ross` | kblin: i tend to disagree if they find a promising pupal they will snag that student |
| 11:55.23 | ross` | and ofc all the other orgs will and then of course, the confliction begins! |
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| 11:55.47 | MatthewWilkes | ross`: What org are you admining? |
| 11:56.05 | kblin | ross`: first of all it's not _all_ orgs, but just the ones the student applied to |
| 11:56.05 | ross` | none ;0 i was too late too register i just found about about gsoc yesterdat |
| 11:56.11 | ross` | kblin: thats what i ment |
| 11:56.25 | ross` | anyway alas i must detach my screen |
| 11:56.31 | ross` | im in class now |
| 11:57.25 | ross` | ill talk to you all in a couple hours :) |
| 11:57.25 | schumaml | ross`: maybe you should read some of the docs? |
| 11:57.26 | ross` | schumaml: i did |
| 11:57.26 | kblin | gaurav_hiiii_: they can change ranks, but usually that's just done to resolve conflicts |
| 11:57.26 | schumaml | especially since you did claim that you don't want to troll... |
| 11:57.26 | ross` | how am i trolling |
| 11:57.58 | ross` | what dont you understand about student submits 20 appplications and all the orgs want that student |
| 11:58.09 | ross` | ;0 anyway if you want to tell me how im trolling /query me as to not spam this channel |
| 11:58.10 | danderson | why you think it happens |
| 11:58.12 | ross` | and ill get back to you later |
| 11:58.15 | danderson | because it really, really doesn't. |
| 11:58.39 | ross` | danderson: you proly know beter then i :) but from the context of the situation logic would have it so |
| 11:58.40 | gaurav_hiiii__ | kblin:so after resolving conflict if they change rank and again thr is a conflict, then ? |
| 11:58.42 | ross` | AFK |
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| 11:59.05 | mib_j10p86 | kblin : doesn't it appear weird to comment "if i'm being accepted, i'd like to work on the ABC proposal", especially if you not being accepted. shouldn't organizations themselves manage to resolve conflicts, and every student should be contacted? |
| 11:59.21 | kblin | gaurav_hiiii__: the mentors meet in an arena grab some weapons and settle it once and for all |
| 11:59.24 | kblin | ;) |
| 11:59.40 | gaurav_hiiii__ | ok..thanx a lot |
| 11:59.47 | danderson | mib_j10p86: it's not practical to contact all students |
| 11:59.56 | danderson | conflict resolution takes hours even with just the orgs involved |
| 12:00.02 | susscorfa | kblin: can we then also settle vim / emacs and gnome/kde ;) |
| 12:00.10 | danderson | if we have to wait for the students to reply as well, SoC wouldn't start before October |
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| 12:01.20 | kblin | mib_j10p86: what danderson said |
| 12:01.24 | mib_j10p86 | danderson, probably you are right. but at least a day can be given to each student. if he/she doesn't reply; then it is all depends on the involved organizations. :/ |
| 12:01.44 | kblin | mib_j10p86: well, that's what we could do last year |
| 12:02.04 | kblin | mib_j10p86: this year, conflict resolution is a bit more bare-bones with the new web-app |
| 12:02.13 | danderson | now that conflicts are signalled immediately, orgs can discuss it with the students beforehand |
| 12:02.15 | gevaerts | susscorfa: if a student applies to both vim and emacs, does any of them want that student anyway? ;) |
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| 12:02.28 | danderson | if they haven't resolved the conflict by the time the conflict resolution happens, it's too late. |
| 12:03.30 | kblin | gevaerts: who in his right mind would apply to both vim and emacs anyway? ;) |
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| 12:03.58 | Giant-Sheep | I never thought getting accepted by many orgs would be such a burden for some :/ |
| 12:04.22 | kblin | mib_j10p86: ideally, this is happening already |
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| 12:04.47 | cmcq | until what point on the timeline can an org renege and leave the student without a job for summer? |
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| 12:05.01 | danderson | "renege" ? |
| 12:05.10 | cmcq | withdraw their offer |
| 12:05.11 | danderson | you mean "kick out people that suck" ? :) |
| 12:05.19 | danderson | in theory, whenever they want. |
| 12:05.33 | danderson | In practice, this happens only if they decide to fail the student |
| 12:05.40 | kblin | mib_j10p86: but you need to be aware that mentors and students are spread around the globe, leading to time zone related lags |
| 12:05.45 | cmcq | so no legal guarantees? |
| 12:05.46 | disismt | Best idea should be to allow only one proposal per student. That way, quality of applications will also get better |
| 12:05.49 | danderson | cmcq: none. |
| 12:05.56 | danderson | same as US contracts |
| 12:06.01 | danderson | employment at will |
| 12:06.02 | lcuk | cmcq, if the student doesnt come upto snuff they wont be accepted, and if they dont complete their objectives they wont be paid. just like a real job surely? |
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| 12:06.15 | danderson | that said, an org that frivolously "fired" students would no longer be welcome in the program |
| 12:06.26 | cmcq | lcuk: if a company gives you a job offer then doesn't pay you, you can sue |
| 12:06.28 | danderson | so the only thing you should worry about is sucking so much that they drop you |
| 12:06.51 | arunreddy | !timeline |
| 12:06.51 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 12:07.04 | gaurav_hiiii__ | if the conflict resolution is just tomorrow,why is the result being announced on 20th |
| 12:07.09 | lcuk | cmcq, if a company gives me a contract to do a task and i get paid according to performance then yeah they are right not to pay |
| 12:07.22 | gaurav_hiiii__ | so many days |
| 12:07.26 | lcuk | ^and i dont perform |
| 12:07.29 | susscorfa | names |
| 12:07.34 | danderson | cmcq: you can consider the contract to be payment upon delivery |
| 12:07.38 | danderson | if you don't deliver, you don't get payed. |
| 12:07.46 | kblin | gaurav_hiiii__: try to link this question to one you asked before |
| 12:07.48 | disismt | *paid :) |
| 12:07.53 | danderson | in any case, I wouldn't worry too much about it |
| 12:08.02 | danderson | as long as you don't disappear, or completely blow off the org |
| 12:08.08 | danderson | there shouldn't be a problem |
| 12:08.16 | gaurav_hiiii__ | ok.I understood. |
| 12:08.23 | cmcq | and if you do deliver you will be paid? you said they can kick you out whenever they want and the worst that happens is they won't be welcome in GSoC 2010 |
| 12:08.29 | kblin | gaurav_hiiii__: new conflicts might come up and need resolving |
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| 12:09.01 | gaurav_hiiii__ | hmm |
| 12:09.03 | danderson | cmcq: if you have grievance, you can always complain to google. If your complaint is justified, something will be figured out. |
| 12:09.17 | kblin | cmcq: what would an org gain by kicking out a good student? |
| 12:09.19 | lcuk | cmcq, you delivering is not completion of the tasks, your mentors reviewing you and accepting what you did over the summer is what google needs to be paid |
| 12:09.29 | lcuk | be nice to your mentors and fulfill as much as you can :) |
| 12:09.31 | nuba | kblin: jackass badges? |
| 12:09.36 | danderson | I'll just observe that, historically, those students who failed failed for a good reason |
| 12:09.43 | danderson | not because the org decided to be stupid |
| 12:09.48 | kblin | nuba: that's rubbish |
| 12:09.50 | danderson | they have no reason to be anyway, it's not their money |
| 12:09.51 | cmcq | kblin: what would a company gain by not taking on a good employee? it's the same |
| 12:09.58 | kblin | cmcq: no |
| 12:10.10 | MatthewWilkes | cmcq: If your org fails you for no good reason, there's a good chance they won't be allowed to take part in future |
| 12:10.12 | kblin | cmcq: the company would save money in wages at least |
| 12:10.29 | MatthewWilkes | So there's a strong incentive not to be stupid about it :) |
| 12:10.30 | kblin | cmcq: the org doesn't save anything |
| 12:10.41 | danderson | they lose, in fact |
| 12:10.54 | cmcq | the person admining it might decide he wants to become an opera singer |
| 12:10.54 | danderson | since SoC is an excellent source of fresh blood and publicity for projects |
| 12:11.04 | danderson | cmcq: it has not happened in 5 years. |
| 12:11.20 | MatthewWilkes | cmcq: And part of the application process is to have a plan for what happens if people disappear |
| 12:11.25 | danderson | The probability of the org admin, the backup admin, and all the mentors doing the same thing, and google agreeing with them, is stupidly remote |
| 12:11.40 | danderson | I understand the impulse to imagine the worst case scenario, but this is pushing it a bit :) |
| 12:11.46 | cmcq | ok, I'm only asking because I'm having money trouble and need to know whether I should be getting another job at the moment |
| 12:11.57 | cmcq | really after April 20 I'm quite safe? |
| 12:12.07 | danderson | if you deliver on your end of the bargain, yes |
| 12:12.28 | nuba | cmcq> the person admining it might decide he wants to become an opera singer |
| 12:12.30 | nuba | LOL |
| 12:12.32 | schumaml | just one plea: if you find - for whatever reason - that you won't be able to complete anything reasonable for soc after having been accepted, please tell your mentor as soon as possible |
| 12:13.05 | MatthewWilkes | nuba: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xga_wchTpW8 |
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| 12:13.17 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: also, I wouldn't want to have an angry lh chasing me around because I dropped a student for kicks |
| 12:13.43 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: You'd be so dead |
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| 12:14.47 | ajuonline | dropped a student == ? |
| 12:14.53 | ajuonline | deleted his/her app ? |
| 12:15.13 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: Fail them during the programme |
| 12:15.34 | cregep | is it allowed for organisations to announce the students they accept before the 20th of April? |
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| 12:16.03 | kblin | cregep: the orgs don't know for sure before the lists are public |
| 12:16.08 | kblin | so it'd be stupid to do so |
| 12:16.13 | MatthewWilkes | cregep: Maybe, but it's a very bad idea. The only authoritative announcement is google's, so could be wrong. |
| 12:16.21 | ajuonline | ah right. |
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| 12:16.32 | ajuonline | noone wants to mess up with the soc students, that way and face the lh :P |
| 12:16.44 | NicDumZ | THE |
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| 12:16.56 | ajuonline | yeah *the* |
| 12:17.01 | cregep | ok, thanks |
| 12:17.09 | ajuonline | hello NicDumZ ;) |
| 12:17.15 | NicDumZ | hey :) |
| 12:17.18 | ajuonline | hows school ? |
| 12:17.45 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: how many times do you need to charge this phone? |
| 12:17.54 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: and any fixes for the battery problem? |
| 12:17.57 | NicDumZ | mm, well I'm done with classes since.. december :) |
| 12:17.58 | Ownatik | I hate messin' with oracle PL/SQL ... |
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| 12:18.14 | ajuonline | NicDumZ: nice. i get done with them in a couple of weeks:D |
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| 12:19.01 | disismt | ajuonline, what's your plans after BTech? |
| 12:19.09 | disismt | job? |
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| 12:19.51 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: I usually put it on overnight, but it can go 2 days. I have an extended battery for when I'm away from home, but turning off GPRS and wifi saves a lot |
| 12:19.59 | ajuonline | disismt: i cant think of my immediate future. but the farther future, yeah I know what I want to do. |
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| 12:20.27 | ajuonline | disismt: simpler answer: i dont know. |
| 12:20.29 | nuba | MatthewWilkes: nice operatic act, the stop motion was pretty decent |
| 12:20.29 | ajuonline | :D |
| 12:20.31 | disismt | ajuonline, you haven't decided whether you are getting a job or an MS? |
| 12:20.40 | ajuonline | disismt: no. :D |
| 12:20.57 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: spare batteries? now I'd want that. hmmm |
| 12:22.01 | rajan | ajuonline:Your nickname sounds very familier,which org you represent or applied etc ? |
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| 12:22.27 | ajuonline | rajan: sahana |
| 12:22.54 | rajan | ajuonline: o yea yea !! right ..I knew that you are kinda familier :) |
| 12:23.04 | NicDumZ | but there is something with that nick |
| 12:23.38 | ajuonline | XD |
| 12:23.48 | ajuonline | whacks NicDumZ |
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| 12:24.18 | NicDumZ | well i dont know why i'd remember your nick more than another one, so... |
| 12:24.23 | NicDumZ | there's something |
| 12:24.26 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: I got a high capacity one from ebay, 2800mAh |
| 12:24.32 | NicDumZ | subliminal, between letters or something |
| 12:24.57 | ajuonline | NicDumZ: we have talked! |
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| 12:25.18 | AJuOnLiNE | NicDumZ: sounds familiar now? ;) |
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| 12:25.30 | NicDumZ | as familiar as just before :p |
| 12:25.34 | kblin | AJuOnLiNE: you must be making this up. no one ever talks to you anyway ;) |
| 12:25.35 | AJuOnLiNE | bah |
| 12:25.56 | AJuOnLiNE | whacks kblin |
| 12:26.00 | AJuOnLiNE | no brownie points ofr you |
| 12:26.02 | AJuOnLiNE | for* |
| 12:26.18 | rajan | AJuOnLiNE:so,dublicate resolution thing is almost 11:30pm India/Sri Lanka time ? |
| 12:26.20 | NicDumZ | hehe, I do remember, don't worry :) |
| 12:26.24 | rajan | *so |
| 12:26.28 | NicDumZ | but there's something with your nick! |
| 12:26.29 | NicDumZ | :p |
| 12:27.01 | ajuonline | rajan: no idea, i just put in one proposal, so no idea what time it is. |
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| 12:27.21 | rajan | o! hmm |
| 12:27.37 | kblin | rajan: follow the link in the topic |
| 12:27.53 | kblin | iirc that leads to a time calculator |
| 12:28.06 | ajuonline | yeah |
| 12:28.07 | ajuonline | it does |
| 12:28.15 | ajuonline | i liked the countdown one better |
| 12:28.55 | rajan | kblin:most of the links are for mentors-only |
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| 12:29.33 | thebolt | hi everyone |
| 12:29.52 | ajuonline | rajan: http://tinyurl.com/gsoc-resolve |
| 12:29.55 | kblin | rajan: nah, only two out of six |
| 12:29.56 | shirish | hi thebolt |
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| 12:32.37 | williamb | Hi, like last year, dont we have a way of knowing whether a mentor has been assigned to our application or not? |
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| 12:33.14 | ajuonline | williamb: not until results. |
| 12:33.15 | kblin | williamb: I don't think that's implemented yet |
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| 12:33.43 | williamb | ajuonline, kblin: thanks |
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| 12:38.31 | SRabbelier | kblin: not implemented on purpose |
| 12:38.48 | kblin | SRabbelier: or that |
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| 12:40.08 | kblin | SRabbelier: makes sense, I guess |
| 12:40.52 | ajuonline | wonders how can things make sense to kblin |
| 12:40.53 | ajuonline | :P |
| 12:41.20 | kblin | ajuonline: you need the appropriate target in the Makefile |
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| 12:41.56 | ajuonline | bah, geeks :P |
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| 12:45.00 | kblin | 0:) |
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| 12:47.24 | thebolt | kblin: make sucks :P |
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| 12:50.39 | kblin | thebolt: nope |
| 12:51.08 | kblin | thebolt: I just tried, and "make: *** No rule to make target `sucks'. Stop." |
| 12:51.53 | olegfink | well, see, that's why mk > make |
| 12:52.13 | olegfink | $ make love |
| 12:52.15 | olegfink | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 12:52.17 | olegfink | $ mk love |
| 12:52.19 | olegfink | mk: don't know how to make 'love' in /home/olegfink |
| 12:52.21 | olegfink | make just doesn't get it. |
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| 12:57.49 | AlekSi | olegfink: (Y) |
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| 13:00.50 | kblin | grumbles and digs around for his research results a little more |
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| 13:03.12 | thebolt | kblin: :) cheer up ;) |
| 13:03.39 | kblin | thebolt: I forgot to write down which simulation run produced the best results |
| 13:03.45 | kblin | thebolt: very annoying |
| 13:03.57 | thebolt | kblin: that is a bit.. annoying |
| 13:04.54 | kblin | I named all the files in a way that I immediately know the parameters used and all that, but my results just give the docking score, not the files containing them |
| 13:05.11 | kblin | and of course the files are binary, so grep doesn't help either |
| 13:05.21 | thebolt | :/ |
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| 13:13.18 | thebolt | kblin: bgrep ? ;) |
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| 13:15.07 | kblin | I think it's faster to just manually open all the files and check |
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| 13:16.49 | kblin | ah, one down, three to go :) |
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| 13:22.11 | venkat119 | !timeline |
| 13:22.11 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 13:23.04 | olegfink | AlekSi: that somehow sounds MSNish. |
| 13:23.30 | AlekSi | it sounds like Psi and xmpp-irc transport |
| 13:23.43 | AlekSi | never uses MSN |
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| 13:24.15 | AlekSi | may be smiles there are inspired by MSN, I don't know |
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| 13:31.55 | devvrat | !timeline |
| 13:31.55 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 13:33.28 | kblin | hm, three down, one to go |
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| 13:35.26 | yashkumar | any ASF admin or mentor here? |
| 13:35.41 | kblin | !anyone |
| 13:35.41 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 13:36.05 | Corsix | to be fair, ASF has no central IRC channel or mailing list |
| 13:36.35 | kblin | Corsix: they'll still have contact details |
| 13:37.29 | Corsix | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/asf - no central email, no central public mailing list, no central IRC, no central dev mailing list |
| 13:37.31 | yashkumar | kblin: ofcourse but only emails |
| 13:37.31 | Corsix | very helpful |
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| 13:38.56 | kblin | yashkumar: your individual project will probably have an irc channel or mailing list |
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| 13:39.22 | yashkumar | kblin: but i dont get a live answer |
| 13:39.30 | yashkumar | i need to wait for long time |
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| 13:39.48 | kblin | yashkumar: fair enough |
| 13:39.51 | goer | can someone help me? I just wnat to know can I participate in gsoc if I can allocate just 3-4 hrs per day for it? |
| 13:40.01 | kblin | yashkumar: but I doubt that they'll be more active here |
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| 13:40.28 | kblin | goer: you should plan on gsoc being a full-time job |
| 13:40.29 | Corsix | goer: many (most?) projects expect 30-40 hrs/week |
| 13:40.29 | yashkumar | kblin: i'm just trying out |
| 13:40.31 | Chainsaw | goer: It depends on your organisation. Ask what they feel about that amount of time. |
| 13:40.44 | Chainsaw | goer: We (atheme.org) expect ~40 hours a week. |
| 13:40.59 | kblin | yashkumar: sure. go ahead.. :) |
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| 13:41.58 | lcuk | expects no more of the student than i put in myself :) |
| 13:42.05 | lcuk | which is about 90hours lol :D |
| 13:42.14 | goer | )) |
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| 13:46.16 | getxsick | Duplicate Accepted Students Update...? i thought noone is accepted yet |
| 13:46.37 | Corsix | nobody is officially and publicly accepted yet |
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| 13:47.05 | getxsick | but ranking is still on, right? so it's just preliminary accepterd, right? |
| 13:47.33 | Corsix | organisations should know by now which students they want |
| 13:47.44 | Corsix | with the issue being when two organisations want the same student |
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| 13:48.22 | getxsick | so it's just list of students/orgs which should be resolve tomorrow, right? |
| 13:48.27 | prea|away | is back |
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| 13:50.07 | kblin | getxsick: yeah. actually the sooner the better |
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| 13:54.20 | goer | well... and what if I'll work entire year on some opensource project task just for 3-4 hrs a day... can I then participate with that task with(that organisation) in gsoc? |
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| 13:54.50 | goer | it's not clear in FAQs |
| 13:55.04 | Corsix | talk to your org |
| 13:55.09 | danderson | anyone can participate, even if you've contributed to the org before |
| 13:55.10 | shirish_afk | depends on org |
| 13:55.15 | danderson | some orgs don't like it, but most think it's fine |
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| 13:55.48 | goer | OK, thanks! will talk |
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| 13:56.36 | lcuk | Corsix, fist fight |
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| 13:57.05 | nuba | danderson: really? if youre a student and have been hanging on the channel and sent a patch and whatever, you think that makes you less attractive to the org during SoC? |
| 13:57.13 | Corsix | lcuk: To resolve duplicates? interesting idea |
| 13:57.28 | danderson | nuba: no, but some orgs see SoC as a chance to get new blood into the project |
| 13:57.32 | danderson | and you're not new blood :) |
| 13:58.35 | nuba | thats true, but if I were the org I'd see that as a chance to bring the budding student relationship to the next level |
| 13:58.47 | danderson | yes, but you're not the org |
| 13:58.54 | danderson | as I said, this is a minority situation in general |
| 13:58.56 | nuba | even if its not new blood, its someone who's been flirting |
| 13:58.58 | danderson | but it's a free world :) |
| 13:59.49 | nuba | sure, im not saying im the org, just proposing another viewpoint for grabs :D |
| 13:59.51 | lcuk | nuba, if the student has been "flirting" and talking to the devs and getting on and has aptitude but little time uptill then, i think an org owuld be silly to ignore their skills |
| 13:59.56 | nuba | that should be pretty obvious |
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| 14:00.57 | lcuk | but if the same student was just screwing around not helping in discussionse etc i can quite easily see why new blood would be welcomed :P |
| 14:02.45 | nuba | heh, i decided not to present a proposal this year cause my schedule is already packed, but if I were to follow danderson's advice, i shouldnt hang out in the Perl Foundation's IRC channels for the projects i was talking to anymore, as that reduces my chances for SoC 2010 :P |
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| 14:03.03 | nuba | what if I cant resist and I somehow end up contributing outside SoC!?!?! |
| 14:03.13 | nuba | :D |
| 14:03.22 | sid0 | danderson++ |
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| 14:04.35 | nuba | i see his point, but i think its just silly, but then Im not an org, so heh lets just roll on :D |
| 14:04.58 | jasebo | you could always go to the org IRC channel, and ask them what they would think :-) |
| 14:05.38 | dqminh | nuba, then by 2010 you may become a mentor . Who knows ;) |
| 14:06.33 | nuba | ive heard mentors' pay rate is just symbolic |
| 14:07.43 | straydawg | that's right :) |
| 14:07.43 | gevaerts | In lots of organisations the mentor payment goes to the project |
| 14:08.11 | nuba | so i think i'll follow danderson's advice instead, spend the year playing videogames, surfing, camping, then I'll get to be a new face again by next summer :D |
| 14:09.03 | jasebo | nuba, to be precise, "500 USD goes to the mentoring organization" |
| 14:09.09 | jasebo | not the mentor |
| 14:09.18 | jasebo | what the organization does with it is up to the organization |
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| 14:12.42 | nuba | guys im just having fun at the expense of what i think are flaws in the blind search of new blood, flesh blood, its great but sometimes what you need is already in front of you, i talk from first hand experience, theres more than one opensource project that I flirt with but lack the time and the finantial means to bring it up to the next level |
| 14:13.15 | nuba | those flirting guys already have some familiarity with the project goals, code, ideas, etc |
| 14:13.29 | jasebo | nuba: I wouldn't exclude anyone from selection because they've been involved |
| 14:13.33 | nuba | and i think they're more likely to hit the ground running and kicking ass than someone just coming out of the blue |
| 14:13.50 | jasebo | we'd look at the merit of the application, and balance it with the desire to get new blood into the project |
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| 14:14.45 | nuba | sounds like the right thing to do |
| 14:16.26 | jasebo | but that's each organisations choice to make |
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| 14:16.37 | nuba | of course |
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| 14:50.17 | ScottMac | ok clearly having a brain fart |
| 14:50.22 | ScottMac | where do I approve mentors? |
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| 14:50.32 | ScottMac | I see in the Mentor column that a proposal has 2 pending |
| 14:50.48 | hypa7ia | ScottMac: the comment type meny at the bottom? change that to admin comment |
| 14:50.52 | hypa7ia | it's very confusing :s |
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| 14:51.41 | ScottMac | hypa7ia, where do I see a list of people wiling to mentor though? |
| 14:51.47 | ScottMac | oh at the top |
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| 14:55.09 | jasebo | ScottMac: I had the same prob... don't know when it dawned on me to try selecting admin :D |
| 14:55.24 | ScottMac | yeah i should have read the userguide |
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| 14:56.38 | schumaml | presenting the selection in a different way could make this more obvious |
| 14:56.53 | schumaml | maybe as tabs... |
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| 14:58.13 | schumaml | that would introduce a concept that's not used in the app yet, though |
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| 15:13.25 | koryk1 | !next |
| 15:13.26 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 15:18.52 | iitcool | hi received a general comment on my application (not a query etc.), should I reply back? |
| 15:19.04 | iitcool | *from a mentor |
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| 15:20.52 | MatthewWilkes | iitcool: If you feel you have something to add, yes |
| 15:20.54 | NicDumZ | ask him iitcool :) |
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| 15:22.54 | iitcool | so i should post back a public comment as well, right? ...actually i emailed the mentor if he would like some clarifications over IRC or anyother medium but got no reply |
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| 15:24.10 | toad_ | anyone accepted Ashish Kurmi? |
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| 15:27.03 | homunq | We have a duplicate student that we'd be happy to cede to the other org |
| 15:27.17 | homunq | I sent an email to the other org admin, and no response so far |
| 15:27.34 | homunq | What should I do to ensure that this one doesn't get dropped? |
| 15:27.42 | Wolf_OSGeo | homunq: how long have you waited? They might be sleeping... |
| 15:27.44 | [particle]- | homunq: there's still time. see topic |
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| 15:28.03 | homunq | Wolf_OSGeo: over a day |
| 15:28.35 | Wolf_OSGeo | homunq: you can send an email to lh and say your student withdraws |
| 15:28.41 | [particle]- | specifically, "Duplicate Resolution Meeting in #gsoc-resolve on Wednesday, http://tinyurl.com/gsoc-resolve" |
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| 15:28.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | and attend the wednesday meeting |
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| 15:29.05 | homunq | [particle]-: I can't be sure I can attend |
| 15:29.41 | Wolf_OSGeo | homunq: back-up admin or someone else from your org? |
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| 15:31.18 | iitcool | MatthewWilkes: so i should post back a public comment as well, right? ...actually i emailed the mentor if he would like some clarifications over IRC or anyother medium but got no reply |
| 15:31.50 | NicDumZ | I'm tempted to say... your call iitcool :) |
| 15:31.58 | NicDumZ | use common sense, no one can decide for you |
| 15:32.03 | NicDumZ | :) |
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| 16:00.38 | bobmcw | melange problem: |
| 16:00.38 | bobmcw | Error 404: There is no "Role" where "scope_path" is "google/gsoc2009/codehaus" and "link_id" is "rjoachim". |
| 16:00.45 | bobmcw | when trying to view mentor details |
| 16:00.49 | bobmcw | ie, http://socghop.appspot.com/mentor/manage/google/gsoc2009/codehaus/rjoachim |
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| 16:02.48 | MatthewWilkes | bobmcw: Melange problems go in #melange and http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 16:03.14 | bobmcw | MatthewWilkes: thanks, this split between "The Software" and "GSoC" is somewhat maddening |
| 16:03.20 | bobmcw | I'm just trying to execute GSoC duties... |
| 16:03.37 | MatthewWilkes | Melange is used for more than just GSoC now |
| 16:04.04 | MatthewWilkes | it's a courtesy to the devs to report it directly, instead of asking them to follow all GSoC lists/channels |
| 16:04.12 | bobmcw | I'm only using it due to GSoC.. but yah, I understand |
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| 16:06.09 | [particle]- | my sound card doesn't work. i'm only using it due to gsoc... can you help? ;) |
| 16:06.24 | scorche|sh | o_O |
| 16:06.31 | MatthewWilkes | [particle]-: Unseat it, blow on the connectors, and reinstall |
| 16:06.37 | MatthewWilkes | that fixes everything physical |
| 16:07.17 | gitte | Heh. |
| 16:07.18 | bobmcw | problem with Twitter? It's written in Rails, so talk to DHH... |
| 16:07.18 | Landon | ^ |
| 16:07.38 | gitte | [particle]-: In the alternative, if you have Linux, you might be interested in the output of the "dmesg" command. |
| 16:08.53 | parren | We have trouble with a mentor who cannot sign in to Melange anymore. Seems his primary email address got switched (by new GPhone?). Can anyone help? |
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| 16:09.22 | MatthewWilkes | parren: I had the same. Email Pawel from both email addresses explaining the problem and giving the link_id |
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| 16:10.09 | parren | MatthewWilkes: Pawel who? |
| 16:10.24 | MatthewWilkes | pming |
| 16:10.38 | vikas_gar1 | hey, is there something first screening of application |
| 16:10.42 | vikas_gar1 | ? |
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| 16:11.37 | shirish | hi |
| 16:11.48 | gitte | vikas_gar1: what do you mean? |
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| 16:13.26 | shirish | hi kr0y1 |
| 16:13.32 | vikas_gar1 | i mean, some applications are selected by mentors of organisations ..............is it ? |
| 16:13.44 | kr0y1 | shirish: Hi |
| 16:13.57 | MatthewWilkes | vikas_gar1: The announcement happens on the 20th, see the timeline. |
| 16:14.03 | shirish | which org ? |
| 16:14.09 | shirish | plan9 ?? |
| 16:14.09 | vikas_gar1 | i knew that |
| 16:15.49 | disismt | There's soooo many Indians this year |
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| 16:16.29 | MatthewWilkes | vikas_gar1: So, what's your question? |
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| 16:20.42 | shirish | disismt, US applications are more than India |
| 16:20.43 | shirish | :P |
| 16:21.11 | jetru | Is an ID card enough for student proof? |
| 16:21.34 | shirish | where did you find the need of ID proof jetru |
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| 16:22.16 | jetru | shirish: its required for GSoC students... we need proof that we are students. It's suggested in FAQ that a transcript is required |
| 16:22.53 | shirish | !faq |
| 16:22.53 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 16:23.31 | PearlJam | jetru: after you get selected. don't worry about it for the time being. but no, i don't think an ID card is enough. |
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| 16:23.53 | disismt | shirish, yup but that's surprising coz, there seems to be more Indians in the irc channel. |
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| 16:24.22 | shirish | disismt, thought that you were addressing stats ;) |
| 16:24.36 | jetru | The problem is, my college semester ends next week. And it's quite far away from where I stay. |
| 16:25.26 | PearlJam | get it now only. they can't refuse you a document showing that you are enrolled with the college. |
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| 16:26.30 | hkpco | bye :-) |
| 16:26.55 | jetru | yup. cool :) |
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| 16:27.09 | vikas_gar1 | hey i got , thanks |
| 16:27.21 | harrynguyen | !next |
| 16:27.22 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 16:32.30 | disismt | shirish, I suspect our census data is wrong (Given the work culture in Indian govt offices, this is quite possible). Maybe Indian population is bigger than even china |
| 16:33.02 | jetru | disismt: lol |
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| 16:33.47 | shirish | lolz |
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| 16:35.36 | l0nwlf_ | shirish: we'r thr mass here |
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| 16:36.02 | shirish | l0nwlf_, dint get you ? |
| 16:36.10 | disismt | l0nwlf_, you from IITA? which yr? |
| 16:36.26 | disismt | *IIITA |
| 16:36.45 | jetru | so, all you guys are indians? :) |
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| 16:37.25 | shirish | yes... |
| 16:37.27 | shirish | :) |
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| 16:37.55 | shirish | l0nwlf_, what were you saying about |
| 16:37.56 | shirish | ?? |
| 16:38.06 | disismt | l0nwlf_, you from IITA? which yr? |
| 16:38.17 | disismt | *IIITA |
| 16:38.23 | shirish | disismt, where are you from ?? |
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| 16:38.34 | disismt | shikhar, NIT Allahabad |
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| 16:38.47 | disismt | shikhar, what abt you? |
| 16:38.59 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: what about you ? |
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| 16:39.29 | viktorkrum | shirish: you are from IIITA , right ? |
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| 16:39.41 | shirish | yeah |
| 16:39.51 | shirish | how about you viktorkrum |
| 16:39.52 | disismt | l0nwlf_, which yr? |
| 16:40.01 | viktorkrum | NIT Trichy |
| 16:40.27 | l0nwlf_ | 22:08l0nwlf_disismt: what about you ? |
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| 16:40.40 | disismt | l0nwlf_, NIT Allahabad 3rd yr :) BTech |
| 16:40.56 | shirish | IIIT-A |
| 16:40.56 | shirish | :P |
| 16:41.08 | shirish | how about you disismt |
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| 16:41.21 | disismt | shikhar, how about me what? |
| 16:41.24 | shirish | cool viktorkrum |
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| 16:41.49 | disismt | and l0nwlf_ likes to keep his academic info to himself I see :) |
| 16:42.10 | shirish | disismt, its shirish |
| 16:42.10 | shirish | :P |
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| 16:42.13 | shirish | not shikhar |
| 16:42.15 | shirish | lolz |
| 16:42.16 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: IIIT Allahabad 3rd yr , BTech IT |
| 16:42.28 | shirish | =) |
| 16:42.29 | optimus25 | i m frm BITS Goa :) |
| 16:42.29 | disismt | l0nwlf_, cool |
| 16:42.33 | shirish | name him :P |
| 16:42.39 | disismt | shirish, tab completion error :( |
| 16:42.49 | shirish | lolz :P |
| 16:42.51 | rohananil | heya optimus25 |
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| 16:42.57 | optimus25 | cm on gtalk |
| 16:43.05 | disismt | optimus25, there's another guy from BITS goa, Mohit |
| 16:43.10 | rohananil | me 2 |
| 16:43.22 | optimus25 | yup...i knw him |
| 16:43.44 | viktorkrum | participation from india has really gone up this time , it seems |
| 16:43.53 | disismt | Cool, I don't think anyone other then me from my college is taking part in GSoC |
| 16:43.55 | disismt | :( |
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| 16:44.45 | shirish | be a monarch :P |
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| 16:45.03 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: MNNIT is a bit below par as compared to IIITA :P |
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| 16:45.22 | optimus25 | last time there wr approx 90 selectionf from india |
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| 16:45.34 | skbohra | ^^ 90? |
| 16:45.39 | ross` | hi all |
| 16:46.44 | Mek | 87 to be exact :) |
| 16:46.55 | disismt | l0nwlf_, you conceited prick :) |
| 16:47.11 | sid0 | Mek: where is this data available? |
| 16:47.12 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: kidding |
| 16:47.46 | Mek | sid0: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOpenSourceBlog/~3/cHBk7xbZVEI/google-summer-of-code-by-numbers.html |
| 16:47.50 | ross` | i dont like iiita :p |
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| 16:48.08 | Mek | or a nicer link: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-summer-of-code-by-numbers.html |
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| 16:48.12 | sid0 | Mek: oh, missed that, thanks! |
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| 16:50.22 | Corsix | history suggests that I won't be the only student from my university |
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| 16:51.40 | ross` | scorche: is gsoc an age thing of a going to college thing |
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| 16:52.05 | Landon | not sure what you're asking ross`, but you need to be enrolled in college currently |
| 16:52.12 | Landon | undergrad or grad student |
| 16:52.36 | Shadow_Master | at least you must be 18 years old or older as well |
| 16:52.37 | Corsix | and be 18 or older, so young prodigies attending universities are not eligible |
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| 16:52.56 | jetru | history suggests I |
| 16:52.56 | jetru | 'm the only one from my university :( |
| 16:53.09 | sid0 | interestingly, the ratio of undergrad to masters to phd seems to have been fairly constant across the years |
| 16:53.23 | ross` | where does it say yo have to be 18 |
| 16:53.40 | smtms | sid0, what's the ratio? |
| 16:53.41 | ajhais | jetru: no dude... |
| 16:53.51 | ross` | this age thing is confusing |
| 16:53.55 | ross` | and i want to hear from a googler |
| 16:53.55 | saiyr | ross`: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#eligibility |
| 16:53.57 | Corsix | !18 |
| 16:53.58 | socinfo | "18" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#age_limits |
| 16:53.58 | ross` | the faq says college |
| 16:54.03 | ajhais | jetru: i don't think so :P |
| 16:54.05 | saiyr | nope |
| 16:54.06 | saiyr | "Yes. You must be 18 years of age or older by April 20, 2009 to be eligible to participate in Google Summer of Code in 2009." |
| 16:54.08 | sid0 | smtms: roughly 64% to 25% to 11% |
| 16:54.12 | jetru | ajhais: don't tell me... you're from my college... |
| 16:54.18 | hypa7ia | ross`: are you seriously still here? |
| 16:54.47 | ajhais | jetru: hehe.. done with daa..? ;) |
| 16:55.20 | jetru | ajhais: wow, lol |
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| 16:55.25 | disismt | daa =? |
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| 16:55.43 | jetru | design and analysis of algorithms, exam tomorrow :D |
| 16:56.00 | ajhais | end sem.. :P |
| 16:56.01 | ross` | wow |
| 16:56.03 | disismt | 2nd yrs? |
| 16:56.03 | ross` | ok thats it then |
| 16:56.05 | ross` | i have to be 18 |
| 16:56.14 | ross` | wow wow wow -_- my birthday is may 22 |
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| 16:56.25 | ross` | that means next year when im almost 18 |
| 16:56.27 | ross` | a month from 18 |
| 16:56.31 | jetru | disismt: 3rd. |
| 16:56.33 | ross` | i have to wait another year |
| 16:56.39 | ross` | this is complete crap ;( |
| 16:56.40 | disismt | jetru, which college? |
| 16:56.41 | ross` | poor me |
| 16:56.56 | Corsix | ross`: Participate in GHOP instead |
| 16:57.02 | MatthewWilkes | +1 GHOP is awesome |
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| 16:57.09 | disismt | + Code Jam |
| 16:57.10 | ajuonline | +1 |
| 16:57.16 | brainfck_ | Is it correct, that until tomorrow each student must have a mentor? |
| 16:57.26 | jetru | disismt: NITK surathkal |
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| 16:57.33 | Corsix | brainfck_: s/until/after |
| 16:57.56 | brainfck_ | Corsix: ? |
| 16:58.06 | Corsix | after tomorrow, each student must have a mentor |
| 16:58.12 | Corsix | not until tomorrow |
| 16:58.36 | brainfck_ | sorry, I meant this. thanks! |
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| 16:58.47 | gevaerts | Corsix: s/after/starting from/ ;) |
| 16:58.54 | Corsix | :) |
| 16:59.14 | brainfck_ | seems that I had no luck, if anybody commented my proposal yet |
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| 16:59.52 | ross` | i have the worst possible birthday |
| 16:59.59 | ross` | ill have to wait 2 years :( |
| 17:00.01 | ross` | whats ghop? |
| 17:00.01 | Mek | brainfck_: there is no way for a student to know if he/she has a mentor assigned before the accepted proposals are published the 20th though |
| 17:00.17 | Corsix | Mek: unless the org tells them |
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| 17:00.32 | Corsix | ross`: It's GSoC's "little brother" |
| 17:00.47 | Mek | sure, but even if they tell them that in way means they will be accepted |
| 17:00.53 | disismt | ross`, I wish I was your age now. Those days were fun. |
| 17:01.05 | brainfck_ | Mek: sure, but IMO the student should have talked with the mentor before |
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| 17:01.49 | ross` | Corsix: im not looking for a summer camp like thing =/ |
| 17:01.51 | ross` | im quite capable |
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| 17:02.26 | Corsix | I was also quite capable at 16/17, but "winning" GHOP was a very useful thing |
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| 17:02.41 | ross` | what exactly is it? |
| 17:03.00 | Corsix | instead of one long task over the summer, you complete lots of smaller tasks |
| 17:03.10 | Corsix | and you don't need to write proposals or get accepted |
| 17:03.18 | Corsix | you just claim tasks and complete them |
| 17:03.21 | ross` | any fee's whats the structure |
| 17:03.28 | Corsix | 3 tasks => $100 |
| 17:03.42 | Corsix | winner => trip to CA |
| 17:03.51 | Corsix | (at least, that was the structure last time) |
| 17:03.52 | ross` | to the googleplex? |
| 17:03.54 | Corsix | yes |
| 17:04.00 | ross` | ahhh |
| 17:04.03 | ross` | and you won? |
| 17:04.04 | schumaml | http://code.google.com/intl/de-DE/opensource/ghop/2007-8/ |
| 17:04.11 | Corsix | I was one of the 10, yes |
| 17:04.18 | ross` | and how old are yo |
| 17:04.22 | Corsix | 18 now |
| 17:04.29 | ross` | damn you ;0 |
| 17:04.34 | ross` | ill be 18 in a month after the cut off |
| 17:04.37 | ross` | so i have to wait 2 years |
| 17:04.44 | Corsix | 16 when GHOP started, 17 when it ended |
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| 17:05.13 | ross` | will there be a 2009 ghop |
| 17:05.14 | ross` | ? |
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| 17:05.27 | Corsix | if melange is ready in time, probably |
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| 17:05.39 | alanp | corsix, how many tasks did you complete? |
| 17:05.45 | Corsix | alanp: 15 |
| 17:06.20 | tuxcanfly | !next |
| 17:06.20 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 17:06.48 | alanp | 20th is so long away |
| 17:06.49 | alanp | :( |
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| 17:07.45 | ross` | Corsix: whats you r name |
| 17:08.08 | Corsix | ross`: Peter |
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| 17:31.41 | parren | Is the value in the "Rank" field relevant for which applications are finally assigned to slots, or is it the cumulative points? |
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| 17:33.02 | ajuonline | ^5's chx |
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| 17:33.23 | Mek | parren: there is no rank field stored, there is only the rank that is calculated from the cumulative points |
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| 17:34.18 | parren | Mek: Well, when entering a review, I have a "Rank" field below "Assign Mentor (Link ID)". Maybe because I'm co-admin. |
| 17:34.40 | Mek | parren: yes, but that field only changes the points to set it at that rank |
| 17:34.58 | parren | Ah, thanks. |
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| 17:58.33 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> *Preliminary* Slot Allocations Published http://tinyurl.com/slots14April - Duplicate Resolution Meeting in #gsoc-resolve on Wednesday, http://tinyurl.com/gsoc-resolve - Duplicate Accepted Students Update http://tinyurl.com/duplicateaccepts-13042009 - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - This channel is logged at http://ibot.ri |
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| 18:02.07 | Landon | SRabbelier: topic fail |
| 18:02.22 | Landon | maybe This channel is logged, see !logs |
| 18:02.25 | SRabbelier | Landon: that's.... weird |
| 18:02.34 | scorche|sh | SRabbelier: too long ;) |
| 18:02.37 | SRabbelier | Landon: since I made the topic -shorter- :P |
| 18:02.43 | Landon | haha |
| 18:02.44 | Giant-Sheep | there should be like a tinytopic.com |
| 18:02.49 | Landon | maybe your client was trying to be too smart for you? |
| 18:03.00 | SRabbelier | Giant-Sheep: imho, there shouldn't be as much stuff in the topic |
| 18:03.02 | scorche|sh | SRabbelier: heh...double fail then |
| 18:03.02 | lcuk | maybe some other irc chans will donate some of their topic space |
| 18:03.05 | SRabbelier | Giant-Sheep: nobody reads it this way anyway |
| 18:03.13 | *** topic/#gsoc by SRabbelier -> *Preliminary* Slot Allocations Published http://tinyurl.com/slots14April - Duplicate Resolution Meeting in #gsoc-resolve on Wednesday, http://tinyurl.com/gsoc-resolve - Duplicate Accepted Students Update http://tinyurl.com/duplicateaccepts-13042009 - Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/testmelange - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - This channel is logged, see !logs |
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| 18:05.25 | v6sa | Hi |
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| 18:25.01 | typ0 | !timeline |
| 18:25.01 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 18:31.12 | HanzZ | hi, I'm curious who pay taxes for money sent to students |
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| 18:31.29 | dhaun | you do |
| 18:31.51 | russellb | HanzZ: you're going to have a big tax bill for those 1000 students |
| 18:31.56 | dhaun | i.e. the students have to pay their own taxes |
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| 18:34.23 | HanzZ | dhaun: thanks |
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| 18:35.02 | parren | Do co-mentors get paid? Or does Google just pay $500 to be distributed amongst the mentors for a particular slot? |
| 18:35.28 | dhaun | that money goes to the org - what they then do with it is up to them |
| 18:35.39 | parren | (Not intending to be greedy here, just asking so we know what expectations to dampen.) |
| 18:36.00 | dhaun | we've paid it out to our mentors |
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| 18:36.36 | scorche|sh | dhaun: it is entirely up to the org to do what they wish with the money....google provides them with $500 per student period ;) |
| 18:36.43 | scorche|sh | errr... |
| 18:36.46 | scorche|sh | ^^ parren |
| 18:36.48 | parren | OK, thanks. |
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| 18:45.35 | j-b | anyone from PSU ? |
| 18:45.53 | scorche|sh | !anyone |
| 18:45.54 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 18:49.01 | [particle]- | tpf doesn't pay its mentors, fwiw. |
| 18:49.53 | makmanalp | tpf? |
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| 18:50.06 | [particle]- | the perl foundation |
| 18:50.40 | makmanalp | ah. |
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| 18:53.14 | schumaml | SRabbelier: ping |
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| 18:59.54 | atul15 | !next |
| 18:59.54 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 19:02.05 | mwilkes|phone | hi all |
| 19:02.05 | ajuonline | mwilkes|phone: g1 addiction ;) |
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| 19:27.45 | meonkeys | our org is planning on overbooking on one slot (as recommended by Landon the other day) |
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| 19:28.01 | meonkeys | should we just click "i am willing to mentor..." for the overbookees |
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| 19:28.12 | meonkeys | or should we actually assign the overbookees to specific mentors? |
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| 19:30.38 | Landon | meonkeys: what? |
| 19:30.42 | Landon | >.> |
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| 19:30.48 | Landon | don't take my advice, whatever it is! |
| 19:30.51 | meonkeys | :) |
| 19:31.02 | meonkeys | sorry, let me start at the beginning... |
| 19:31.39 | meonkeys | I thought you (or someone) mentioned it would be a good idea to overbook accepted students by one slot |
| 19:31.52 | meonkeys | in case we lose someone who had been accepted to multiple orgs |
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| 19:35.51 | freebsd-brooks | meonkeys: it can't hurt to have extra projects with assigned mentors lined up if you have good projects and spare mentors |
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| 19:37.33 | freebsd-brooks | meonkeys: you'll want that if an conflict pops up the the resoluation meeting tomorrow since you won't have much time to answer |
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| 19:39.40 | meonkeys | ok, so you confirm that overbooking is the right thing to do, |
| 19:39.53 | meonkeys | but is the process I suggested correct? |
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| 19:41.01 | freebsd-brooks | freebsd-brooks: I'd assign mentors to the extent possible |
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| 19:41.57 | gitte | meonkeys: are you asking if it is okay to assign mentors to more students you have slots for? Absolutely. |
| 19:42.02 | meonkeys | yes, |
| 19:42.04 | meonkeys | ok |
| 19:42.14 | meonkeys | thank you, that's exactly what I was asking. |
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| 19:43.25 | gitte | meonkeys: there is also the off-chance that students are really interested in Open Source (and not just Google's money), and will want to work on the project nevertheless -- often slower, as they have to earn money otherwise, but enthusiastic all the same. |
| 19:43.35 | gitte | meonkeys: then you will need mentors, too. |
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| 19:45.38 | meonkeys | ah, good point! |
| 19:47.33 | nuba_ | gitte: im there in that group too, wanted to get involved but couldnt commit 40hrs/week in the summer on it |
| 19:48.00 | nuba_ | and im working neverthless, but outside the scope of SoC |
| 19:48.22 | gitte | Right... |
| 19:48.51 | gitte | I also have two students who indicated that they wanted to work outside of the program, but would like to be mentored. |
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| 19:59.27 | j-b | !timeline |
| 19:59.27 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 20:00.35 | summatusmentis | hi all |
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| 20:05.13 | borja | hey summatusmentis |
| 20:05.22 | summatusmentis | borja! how're you? |
| 20:05.41 | borja | summatusmentis: pretty good; teaching a lab in 1h30m, which I'm always excited about |
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| 20:08.36 | Landon | summatusmentis: let me know if you ever find one :P |
| 20:09.21 | summatusmentis | borja: cool, I get to meet with a prof in 30 mins about not failing a class :) |
| 20:09.26 | summatusmentis | Landon: the mp3? |
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| 20:12.00 | Landon | summatusmentis: yeah |
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| 20:12.32 | summatusmentis | I will if I find it |
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| 20:15.43 | mmadia | for the backup student slots, should a mentor be assigned at this point? |
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| 20:16.07 | Lennie | mmadia, always good to do on forehand |
| 20:16.20 | Lennie | *wonders if that is correct english* |
| 20:16.40 | mmadia | close enough, it's better than mine some days :) |
| 20:16.51 | Lennie | It never hurts to do it before the duplicate resolve meeting |
| 20:17.02 | Lennie | since you might need to discuss it with the mentors |
| 20:17.12 | anothy_x | Lennie: probably "to do beforehand". |
| 20:17.20 | Lennie | anothy_x, thanks :) |
| 20:19.49 | Landon | heavy server is heavy :( |
| 20:19.56 | Landon | I wonder if they pack these with lead weights or something |
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| 20:21.56 | hub | is there a way to transfer a student application to a different organization (if they agree)? |
| 20:22.03 | Lennie | yes hub |
| 20:22.08 | kangaroo | hub: you have to post a request to the melange list |
| 20:24.02 | summatusmentis | I hate end of semester stuff :( |
| 20:24.18 | Lennie | semester stuff ftw |
| 20:24.36 | Lennie | quoting LH: GSD is awesome |
| 20:24.45 | Lennie | (Getting Stuff Done) |
| 20:24.48 | Lennie | nn :) |
| 20:24.49 | summatusmentis | some days I'd rather work 9 hours a day in a cubicle than go to class |
| 20:25.01 | summatusmentis | then* |
| 20:25.01 | Lennie | classes that boring? |
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| 20:25.12 | summatusmentis | some of them |
| 20:25.25 | Lennie | I'm having the same problem here, not enough challenge |
| 20:25.44 | summatusmentis | it's more like school just isn't engaging. I mean, interesting, but not engaging |
| 20:25.57 | Lennie | sounds familiar |
| 20:26.07 | Lennie | anyhow, I'm off |
| 20:26.13 | summatusmentis | tah |
| 20:28.13 | borja | summatusmentis: huh, what class is this? (the one you might be failing out of?) |
| 20:28.16 | alanp | how would you make it more engaging? |
| 20:28.38 | summatusmentis | borja: err... it's a lit class |
| 20:28.41 | summatusmentis | alanp: I don't know |
| 20:28.48 | summatusmentis | if I did, I'd be doing it :) |
| 20:29.02 | alanp | oh, lit, bleh |
| 20:29.07 | summatusmentis | I'm in a weird mood, I'm not normally like this |
| 20:29.26 | mmadia | summatusmentis : compute the amount of money you'd be saving by at least passing the class. |
| 20:29.28 | summatusmentis | borja: it should be salvageable, but I'm worried about it |
| 20:29.50 | summatusmentis | mmadia: it wouldn't affect anything, we don't pay buy credits :) |
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| 20:29.59 | borja | summatusmentis: the Spanish university system doesn't believe in liberal arts education, so I never had to deal with this (which seems pretty common among my american colleagues) |
| 20:30.08 | borja | summatusmentis: for me, it was CS an engineering courses from day one |
| 20:30.12 | borja | s/an/and |
| 20:30.25 | summatusmentis | borja: see, I'm at a public liberal arts school |
| 20:30.41 | summatusmentis | it's pretty well respected, and I like some of the opportunities |
| 20:30.41 | borja | sees |
| 20:30.45 | summatusmentis | but meh |
| 20:31.01 | summatusmentis | there are some stupid requirements like art history |
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| 20:31.26 | Fou_Fou | yeah, I still have two requirements to finish up by next year |
| 20:31.33 | Fou_Fou | which I don't really have time for |
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| 20:31.46 | summatusmentis | this bad-grade class is fine when I do the homework/reading/discussions, but tests then decide they're going to forcefully insert themselves where they shouldn't |
| 20:34.18 | summatusmentis | bails |
| 20:34.25 | borja | summatusmentis: good luck |
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| 20:44.22 | JefferyM | yay.. it only took 3 developers but we finaly figured out how to make an org homepage :) |
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| 20:48.32 | brainfck_ | JefferyM: grats |
| 20:48.58 | JefferyM | it is not exactly an intutive process :) |
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| 20:49.16 | JefferyM | but such is beta software |
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| 21:15.44 | vladikof | right... |
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| 21:39.48 | qsx | !logs |
| 21:39.48 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 22:02.12 | harlan | So where do we put the linkid of the project homepage on the org profile form? |
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| 22:03.27 | Lezard | heya o/ |
| 22:03.44 | harlan | np |
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| 22:04.15 | harlan | finds the *bottom* of the org profile page |
| 22:04.17 | Ivanovic | harlan: at the buttom |
| 22:04.49 | maximumbob | Hello GSoC |
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| 22:19.51 | gerv | Hey :-) Does the new webtool tell you if your student is slotted by > 1 org? |
| 22:20.07 | gerv | I don't see any such notifications, but I can't tell if that's because there aren't any, or because it doesn't tell you :-) |
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| 22:21.04 | Mek | gerv: it doens't but regularly lists of duplicate students are sent to the mentor list |
| 22:21.16 | gerv | OK, I'll check the list. Thanks! |
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| 22:48.33 | juanger | !logs |
| 22:48.33 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 22:56.50 | carldani | narf. one of our selected students seems to be dead or at least non-responsive to e-mail. |
| 22:56.59 | ArthurLiu | http://www.lesechos.fr/info/comm/4853400-google-la-cnil-est-technophobe-et-pessimiste-.htm |
| 22:56.59 | riot | !next |
| 22:57.00 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 22:57.02 | ArthurLiu | woops |
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| 23:08.15 | Lezard | Heya everybody |
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| 23:10.59 | Lezard | I`m bored |
| 23:11.04 | Lezard | at least not hungry... |
| 23:11.46 | omar_verd | Hi Lezard, for which project are you applyng? |
| 23:14.02 | maximumbob | (project applicants aren't allowed to be bored ;) |
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| 23:14.23 | straydawg | :-) |
| 23:14.45 | bcarlyon|laptop | Earthquake in Hawaii! |
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| 23:16.07 | maximumbob | BarryCarlyon: seismic maps don't seem to know about it... are you there? :p |
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| 23:16.24 | maximumbob | opp there it is |
| 23:16.41 | maximumbob | 5.1 2009/04/14 22:44:46 19.328 -155.210 10.1 ISLAND OF HAWAII, HAWAII |
| 23:16.46 | BarryCarlyon | It happened 8mins ago. |
| 23:16.59 | BarryCarlyon | I saw it on twitter, and someone retweeting a report from USGS. |
| 23:17.03 | BarryCarlyon | Its on their map. |
| 23:17.09 | maximumbob | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html |
| 23:17.14 | maximumbob | says 30 mins ago |
| 23:17.21 | BarryCarlyon | Rofl. |
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| 23:17.51 | r0bby | BarryCarlyon: participating this year? |
| 23:17.52 | maximumbob | rather, http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/hv00033612.php |
| 23:18.00 | BarryCarlyon | Maybe the net just came back up in hawaii and the servers kicked in. |
| 23:18.03 | BarryCarlyon | Hopefully r0bby |
| 23:18.04 | sping | hello. i need to edit my abstract, but i'm not allowed to. can anyone unlock it for me? the abstract is not up to date any more. as it will be published i feel that's a bad thing. wasn't there "you can edit the abstract all the time" in the FAQ somewhere? i cannot find it. thank you! |
| 23:18.13 | BarryCarlyon | Servers kicked in and sent the stacked http request thru. |
| 23:18.35 | BarryCarlyon | r0bby, I applied for three orgs, this year, wp, tp, and geeklog. |
| 23:18.44 | BarryCarlyon | Wordpress And thousand parsec. |
| 23:18.54 | r0bby | ah was gonna ask |
| 23:18.55 | r0bby | :) |
| 23:18.56 | maximumbob | sping: in response to a comment after the deadline, it was suggested that I just add a comment with my 'edit'. Which I did. |
| 23:18.56 | r0bby | have fun :0 |
| 23:18.59 | r0bby | I applied for one |
| 23:19.12 | Corsix | I did three applications |
| 23:19.12 | r0bby | OpenMRS :) |
| 23:19.22 | BarryCarlyon | Same as last year r0bby? |
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| 23:22.04 | sping | maximumbob: more or less did that already |
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| 23:22.30 | maximumbob | sping: Then I don't know what else. It was recommended to me by the main guy at my project to do that. |
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| 23:51.13 | [Evan] | @mentors Who's the most-contended-for student you've ever seen? Who was the guy that everybody wanted last year on duplicate resolution day? |
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| 23:51.46 | carldani | I am sooo tempted to rate this one student down because he didn't show any signs of life after uploading the proposal. His proposal was probably one of the best-written proposals, though. |
| 23:52.08 | [Evan] | Did you poke him with an email or a comment? |
| 23:52.12 | carldani | yes |
| 23:52.15 | carldani | no effect |
| 23:52.24 | carldani | both email and comment |
| 23:52.37 | Corsix | that would be a definitive -1 in my book |
| 23:52.41 | Corsix | but then I'm not a mentor |
| 23:52.53 | [Evan] | Hmmm... maybe he's got alot of school right now. Still, somebody who really wanted the position wouldn't just drop off the grid. |
| 23:53.02 | carldani | I am wondering whether it was just a non-serious app. |
| 23:53.45 | [Evan] | That depends on how well-written it was. |
| 23:53.51 | carldani | and he is last position in our slots. -1 would move him off. |
| 23:53.54 | hypa7ia | carldani: no matter how good the app, that's a very very bad sign for project success |
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| 23:55.36 | [Evan] | @cardlani What org are you with? |
| 23:55.50 | disismt | carldani, yup, he might have a thorough knowledge of the project he is applying to, but if he's not interested he's useless |
| 23:55.58 | r0bby | carldani: he may have classes etc |
| 23:58.05 | [Evan] | @r0bby Classes can only take up so much time. It seems like he would at least check his email over the last week. |
| 23:58.05 | carldani | 72 hours of uninterrupted classes seem to be exceptional. |
| 23:58.05 | r0bby | that's kinda bad |
| 23:58.05 | r0bby | rate himn down |
| 23:58.05 | r0bby | shame |
| 23:58.28 | Lezard | lol |
| 23:58.34 | Lezard | so many people wanting to be chosen |
| 23:58.39 | carldani | unfortunately, the next person down the list is in the "I don't really think he can pull this off" category |
| 23:58.43 | Lezard | and the guy just vanish |
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| 23:59.36 | Lezard | that`s really unfair... |
| 23:59.55 | Fou_Fou | perhaps he went away over the weekend? But still you would think he would have gotten the message by at least monday... |