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| 00:08.03 | floppyears | hi guys |
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| 00:09.13 | floppyears | so people that get accepted to gsoc actually work for google for the length of the gsoc program |
| 00:09.24 | floppyears | what is the start and end date? |
| 00:09.30 | ojwb | you work for the org, not for google |
| 00:09.38 | danderson | wrong. |
| 00:09.49 | danderson | for tax purposes, you are a contractor employed by Google |
| 00:09.54 | danderson | in practice, you work for the org, yes |
| 00:10.00 | danderson | but your employer is Google Inc. |
| 00:10.05 | danderson | not sure what the dates are though |
| 00:10.07 | danderson | !timeline |
| 00:10.07 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 00:10.15 | danderson | check that. The "coding starts" and "coding ends" dates. |
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| 00:11.21 | ArthurLiu | in practice nobody cares what exactly that relation is :) |
| 00:11.45 | ojwb | well, Google don't like students claiming that they worked for Google AIUI |
| 00:11.56 | ojwb | hence my glossing over the details |
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| 00:12.40 | ojwb | invoiced Google for the mentor payments, so technically Google is one of my clients, but I don't go around claiming that |
| 00:12.50 | ArthurLiu | :D |
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| 00:13.35 | thebolt | ojwb: same with the mentor summit stuff reimbursements ;) |
| 00:14.00 | ojwb | yes, though that was the same invoice for me |
| 00:15.05 | thebolt | okay, well, i'm not the main admin so i didn't handle the mentor orgmoney.. |
| 00:16.47 | thebolt | but still, its just a matter of simplifying stuff for google as far as possible.. |
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| 00:21.53 | mquintus | ahoj, i've got a question. I've submitted two proposals. How will be decided, where I'll go to, if both organisations would like me to participate? |
| 00:22.22 | omar_verduga | a day later man |
| 00:22.49 | mquintus | omar_verduga - was that to me? |
| 00:23.38 | omar_verduga | yes, yesterday was the meeting for mentors to talk about students in that situation |
| 00:24.07 | r0bby | mquintus: there was a meeting to resolve issues like that |
| 00:24.28 | ojwb | so if nobody has contacted you, either you didn't get accepted more than once, or it was resolved already |
| 00:24.37 | ojwb | without contacting you |
| 00:26.10 | mquintus | Okay. I talked to a person in one of my organisations (TYPO3), and he said he wasn't sure, if I could afford a place for me, because it's not sure how many students google will allow them |
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| 00:27.17 | ojwb | they know now |
| 00:27.22 | ojwb | and have done for a few days |
| 00:27.36 | r0bby | mquintus: sit tight and wait. |
| 00:27.42 | r0bby | Like the rest of us =) |
| 00:28.04 | omar_verduga | yes, good luck by the way |
| 00:29.04 | r0bby | Announcement comes Monday |
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| 00:30.00 | mquintus | I thought it would be a good idea, if I already knew not to get to one organisation, I should intensify the contact to the other organisation, if there was still a free seat |
| 00:30.37 | straydawg | my advice is: didn't have applied to more than one org ;) |
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| 00:31.14 | mquintus | Why so? |
| 00:31.36 | straydawg | heh, i was joking, as you can't change it now.. |
| 00:32.04 | mquintus | :) |
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| 00:35.25 | ojwb | mquintus: there aren't any "free seats" currently |
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| 00:45.38 | mquintus | uh ok, than I probably have to just wait |
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| 01:10.29 | holger_ | ojwb: first time mentor year for me - so you're saying mentor payments go through the org, not directly? |
| 01:10.39 | Catfish_Man | holger_: yes |
| 01:11.20 | ojwb | it is up to the org what they do with the money too - many pass it on, but it isn't required |
| 01:12.07 | holger_ | actually, i don't care too much. i'm between masters and phd currently, so didn't qualify for student. but i want a t-shirt ;) |
| 01:12.15 | ojwb | if the org doesn't have the capability to accept funds, then someone can invoice on its behalf (which is what I did last year, via my consulting company) |
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| 01:17.19 | WindowsXP_Pro | When there is something really long you say "Too long; didn't read", shortened to "tl;dr". Examples of tl;dr are books, the "man" command, textbooks, and game manuals. Linux and programming language documentation is "tl;dr". |
| 01:17.21 | holger_ | this was ill-timed somehow. thesis is in, grading in progress, but i can't apply for phd until i have my grade. so i'm not into any acedemic program on apr 20 |
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| 01:38.50 | floppyears | danderson: thanks, so I guess we start being employed by google when the coding starts ? I was kinda confused by the 'community bonding' period |
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| 01:39.10 | ojwb | http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/2007/04/so-what-is-this-community-bonding-all.html |
| 01:39.33 | floppyears | ojwb: I've read that. |
| 01:39.41 | ojwb | well, what's unclear? |
| 01:39.46 | floppyears | but that still doesn't answer when our 'employment' with google begins |
| 01:39.46 | ojwb | get up to speed on the project |
| 01:39.58 | ojwb | technically on 20th, AIUI |
| 01:40.06 | ojwb | hence the age requirement to be 18 by then |
| 01:40.18 | floppyears | thanks ojwb |
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| 01:45.03 | lolz | dont you hate when your fucking a girl in the ass and she is like "stop! stop! I'm only 13"..just happened to me. That is the last time I fuck my sister. |
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| 01:47.23 | ojwb | hates it when people get "your" and "you're" confused |
| 01:47.40 | saiyr | that's the only objection you have to that line? ;) |
| 01:48.38 | ojwb | of course not |
| 01:48.45 | ojwb | there's a missing apostrophe in "dont" too |
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| 01:49.01 | saiyr | haha, you got me there... |
| 01:49.53 | joeyadams | ojwb> your not alone |
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| 01:50.05 | joeyadams | ;) |
| 01:50.16 | Ryan52 | hahaha |
| 01:50.36 | lolz | ojwb so it should be |
| 01:51.03 | lolz | Don't you hate when you're fucking a girl in the ass and she is like "stop! stop! I'm only 13"..just happened to me. That is the last time I fuck my sister. |
| 01:51.05 | lolz | is that better |
| 01:51.53 | thebolt|away | lolz: wrong channel for those kinds of jokes i'd say.. |
| 01:52.36 | lolz | joke? |
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| 01:53.44 | summatusmentis | seriously though, there are children here |
| 01:54.19 | Ryan52 | yes, because children are so much better... |
| 01:54.23 | ojwb | lolz for a start |
| 01:54.29 | Ryan52 | unless you mean little 1st graders... |
| 01:54.35 | Ryan52 | but still, ya, bad. |
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| 02:03.04 | Catfish_Man | huh I just remembered I have UI for that now |
| 02:03.09 | Catfish_Man | shoulda taken the opportunity to test it |
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| 06:10.03 | thebolt | hi all |
| 06:10.40 | kblin | morning thebolt |
| 06:11.20 | thebolt | bah, i'd like google to delay the student announcement a week.. but i guess there is no way of doing that, right? ;) |
| 06:11.45 | icez | set your clock back a week :] |
| 06:11.54 | thebolt | does not really help :P |
| 06:11.55 | MaNI | why would you want that? |
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| 06:12.34 | ojwb | he's found a way to generate electricity from impatience |
| 06:12.38 | thebolt | MaNI: personal reasons.. |
| 06:12.40 | thebolt | ojwb: not really |
| 06:12.41 | kblin | hehe |
| 06:12.47 | kblin | pity |
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| 06:13.16 | ojwb | he's found a way to generate electricity from impatience, but he's going to keep us waiting for the announcement... |
| 06:13.29 | kblin | :) |
| 06:13.38 | kblin | sighs |
| 06:13.40 | Wolf_OSGeo | he wants to generate more electricity from our impatience :P |
| 06:14.11 | ojwb | thebolt: hope it's nothing too bad |
| 06:14.13 | kblin | why do people keep sending me office documents if they actually want to send me image files? |
| 06:14.14 | Wolf_OSGeo | waves at thebolt |
| 06:14.39 | thebolt | ojwb: nothing i cannot manage |
| 06:14.43 | kblin | an odt file is not a suitable archive for jpegs |
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| 06:14.51 | Wolf_OSGeo | kblin: good question. Why do people send me office documents when all they want to do is send me plain text!?!? |
| 06:14.52 | thebolt | hey Wolf_OSGeo :) |
| 06:15.35 | blast007 | Wolf_OSGeo: even worse, why do people send me word documents with just a picture pasted in it.. |
| 06:15.47 | ojwb | hmm, so I have trac configured such that if a user leaves an email address, they must confirm it, but if they don't they can just edit the wiki, etc right away |
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| 06:16.29 | Wolf_OSGeo | I'd say two lines of text written in word and sent as an attachement is worse... why no write the text int the message. I just can't get my head wrapped around it |
| 06:16.35 | kblin | I guess if we found a way to turn stupidity into electricity, you could power the whole internet with it and then some |
| 06:16.43 | Wolf_OSGeo | oh yes! |
| 06:16.55 | ojwb | self-sustaining interent |
| 06:16.59 | ojwb | internet |
| 06:17.04 | touchaddict | !next |
| 06:17.04 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 06:17.09 | kblin | the new trend in green IT |
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| 06:17.27 | ojwb | or from spam |
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| 06:17.32 | ojwb | though that might overload the grid |
| 06:17.44 | blast007 | Wolf_OSGeo: two lines? yeesh.. you win ;) |
| 06:17.52 | kblin | I'm so going to make up a talk for that and submit it to the next CFP somebody sends me |
| 06:18.10 | Wolf_OSGeo | blast007: I loose you mean ;) |
| 06:18.14 | antarus | everyone is stupid differently ;p |
| 06:18.15 | blast007 | hehe |
| 06:18.54 | Landon | antarus: everyone else thinks Im stupid, but really, they're the stupid ones |
| 06:18.56 | Landon | ;) |
| 06:19.09 | Landon | which sounded INFINITELY better ni my head |
| 06:19.31 | Landon | just generated a watt |
| 06:22.26 | antarus | meh I used to think I was very smart |
| 06:22.27 | antarus | then I learned better |
| 06:22.55 | Landon | yeah |
| 06:23.02 | Landon | highschool reinforoced that myth until I hit college |
| 06:23.09 | AlekSi | !next |
| 06:23.10 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 06:23.22 | AlekSi | !countdown |
| 06:23.22 | socinfo | Error: "countdown" is not a valid command. |
| 06:23.26 | AlekSi | hm... |
| 06:23.42 | antarus | luckily being smart enough is enough most of the time ;) |
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| 08:29.00 | [_FireSoul_] | any idea on number of slots durpal got this year |
| 08:29.01 | [_FireSoul_] | ? |
| 08:29.04 | [_FireSoul_] | druap |
| 08:29.10 | [_FireSoul_] | druapal * |
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| 08:29.56 | [_FireSoul_] | Any Idea On number of slots drupal got this year ? |
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| 08:32.49 | gevaerts | [_FireSoul_]: the numbers are still confidential. Drupal may decide to make their number of slots public, but random other mentors can't tell you |
| 08:33.41 | [_FireSoul_] | thanks gevaerts , statistics about the past year would be helpful.. any idea about that |
| 08:34.15 | ojwb | they may be available somewhere, but I don't know where |
| 08:34.15 | MaNI | the old sites are stilla vailable |
| 08:34.24 | ojwb | not sure what good it does you though |
| 08:34.31 | MaNI | so you can just go look on old site |
| 08:34.42 | gevaerts | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
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| 08:35.36 | stacktic|sh | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p6DuoA2lJToKmUzoSq6raZQ |
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| 08:37.00 | stacktic|sh | statistics from 2005 to 2008 |
| 08:37.31 | ojwb | but as they say, past performance may not be a guide to future performance |
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| 08:38.46 | [_FireSoul_] | thanks every one |
| 08:38.47 | [_FireSoul_] | :D |
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| 08:46.06 | [_FireSoul_] | stacktic|sh, i see no slot allocation in the spread sheet :( |
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| 08:51.20 | kblin | [_FireSoul_]: you need to do some of this manually then |
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| 08:52.25 | [_FireSoul_] | aye aye... kblin |
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| 08:55.42 | kblin | I'm not sure what that'll give you, though |
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| 09:28.13 | monsieurp | !next |
| 09:28.13 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 09:59.20 | [_FireSoul_] | !contribute |
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| 10:45.20 | kblin | whistles a happy tune |
| 10:45.26 | kblin | life is good :) |
| 10:45.34 | Ivanovic | ??? |
| 10:45.48 | Ivanovic | you aren't fed up about your thesis today? |
| 10:45.53 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:46.28 | kblin | nope, I'll go back to that tomorrow |
| 10:46.34 | Ivanovic | ahhh, okay |
| 10:46.47 | kblin | I've just had a meeting with the biologists, and the results are pretty good |
| 10:46.57 | Ivanovic | congrats |
| 10:47.31 | kblin | it looks like the lab experiments might get done in time for my thesis, and the stuff I have so far makes sense from the biology side |
| 10:47.55 | Ivanovic | hey, really not bad |
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| 10:51.01 | kblin | as I said, life is good :) |
| 10:51.29 | patri | !logs |
| 10:51.30 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 11:31.07 | disismt | hi |
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| 12:11.02 | hkpco | hi guys. |
| 12:12.24 | Michelangelo | hkpco: hi |
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| 12:15.42 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:15.44 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:15.46 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
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| 12:15.48 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:15.50 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:15.51 | skbohra|away | hello |
| 12:15.51 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:15.53 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:15.54 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:15.57 | skbohra|away | stop |
| 12:15.58 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:16.01 | optimus25 | Anyone applied for GenMaPP ? |
| 12:16.06 | bonsaikitten | optimus25: please stop! |
| 12:16.07 | optimus25 | k... |
| 12:16.09 | skbohra|away | yes |
| 12:16.12 | optimus25 | sry.. |
| 12:16.25 | skbohra|away | optimus25: :/ |
| 12:16.59 | qiaoqian | optimus25: you,Egypt man ! |
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| 12:17.46 | danderson | do that again and die. |
| 12:17.48 | danderson | just saying. |
| 12:17.57 | danderson | also: |
| 12:17.59 | danderson | !anyone |
| 12:17.59 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 12:19.40 | disismt | !cantwaitanylonger |
| 12:19.40 | socinfo | Error: "cantwaitanylonger" is not a valid command. |
| 12:19.52 | codestasher | :) |
| 12:19.56 | scorche | thats a shame, because we can |
| 12:20.01 | MatthewWilkes | disismt: You can always withdraw your proposal if it's causing this much stress |
| 12:20.09 | skbohra | :D |
| 12:20.09 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
| 12:20.18 | skbohra | !Icanwait |
| 12:20.18 | socinfo | Error: "Icanwait" is not a valid command. |
| 12:20.30 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: didnt i suggest that last time he said that? =P |
| 12:22.03 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: Dunno, didn't see it if you did! |
| 12:22.14 | MatthewWilkes | defers to scorche's earlier wit |
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| 12:23.29 | kblin | we really need to come up with a way to generate power from impatience |
| 12:23.34 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 12:23.42 | qiaoqian | How many students accepted each year |
| 12:23.44 | thebolt | hi |
| 12:23.54 | kblin | qiaoqian: depends. it's 1000 this year |
| 12:24.01 | qiaoqian | percentage ? |
| 12:24.11 | kblin | qiaoqian: also depends |
| 12:24.24 | kblin | you can look up the stats and do the maths |
| 12:25.05 | kblin | hmm, yet another bugzilla nag mail |
| 12:25.36 | qiaoqian | Then,how much of us have prepared the proposal? |
| 12:25.50 | avox_ | !numapps |
| 12:25.50 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
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| 12:26.40 | [_firesoul_] | clear |
| 12:26.47 | qiaoqian | It seems that little hope for me :~< |
| 12:26.52 | MarkieMark1 | socinfo: learn icantwait as then withdraw your application, there are plenty of people who are happy to wait :) |
| 12:26.53 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 12:27.16 | disismt | !icantwait |
| 12:27.16 | socinfo | "icantwait" is then withdraw your application, there are plenty of people who are happy to wait :) |
| 12:27.19 | disismt | :D |
| 12:27.25 | qiaoqian | socinfo: Have you get the result? |
| 12:27.26 | socinfo | Error: "Have" is not a valid command. |
| 12:27.27 | skbohra | !icanwait |
| 12:27.27 | socinfo | Error: "icanwait" is not a valid command. |
| 12:27.47 | skbohra | :D |
| 12:27.50 | [_firesoul_] | !icantwait |
| 12:27.50 | socinfo | "icantwait" is then withdraw your application, there are plenty of people who are happy to wait :) |
| 12:28.10 | avox_ | socinfo: learn icanwait as Have another cup of tea then! |
| 12:28.10 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 12:28.24 | optimus25 | LOL |
| 12:28.25 | skbohra | kewl |
| 12:28.39 | skbohra | !icanwait |
| 12:28.40 | socinfo | "icanwait" is Have another cup of tea then! |
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| 12:29.13 | scorche | sighs |
| 12:29.14 | avox_ | mrscribe, our bot in #scribus, knows even more tricks |
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| 12:29.24 | qiaoqian | socinfo: What 's wrong with "icanwait" |
| 12:29.24 | socinfo | Error: "What" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:30.20 | lut4rp | gahh, is this a bot competition? |
| 12:30.23 | [_firesoul_] | sees many botting around. |
| 12:30.30 | qiaoqian | socinfo is bot!!! |
| 12:30.31 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 12:30.49 | [_firesoul_] | socinfo says your not correct qiaoqian |
| 12:30.50 | socinfo | Error: "says" is not a valid command. |
| 12:30.51 | [_firesoul_] | :P |
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| 12:31.07 | lut4rp | is tired of the bot bashing now |
| 12:31.12 | avox_ | !botabuse |
| 12:31.13 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 12:31.41 | qiaoqian | socinfo is disgusting, shut it down |
| 12:31.41 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:31.47 | kblin | nope |
| 12:31.52 | lut4rp | qiaoqian, umm? |
| 12:32.06 | qiaoqian | lut4rp: yes? |
| 12:32.11 | avox_ | lut4rp: you can always activate the "insult" command in supybot |
| 12:32.12 | kblin | if you don't like it, just ignore it |
| 12:32.16 | lut4rp | why shut it down? |
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| 12:32.34 | [_firesoul_] | I vote for socinfo |
| 12:32.45 | lut4rp | sighs |
| 12:32.51 | [_firesoul_] | there are few who are "against" socinfo :) |
| 12:32.55 | lut4rp | waves to kblin |
| 12:33.05 | kblin | anyway, time to get some food |
| 12:33.23 | aghisla | time to rest -_- |
| 12:33.41 | [_firesoul_] | bids farewell to kblin aghisla |
| 12:33.43 | qiaoqian | I am not sure what socinfo is, my friends , tell me |
| 12:34.13 | avox_ | qiaoqian, google 'supybot' |
| 12:34.24 | goer | smart bot ) |
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| 12:34.27 | lut4rp | qiaoqian, its just an irc bot. |
| 12:34.50 | qiaoqian | kblin: what's the time now ? |
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| 12:35.14 | lut4rp | ? |
| 12:35.16 | skiquel | ipwa: hi |
| 12:35.18 | avox_ | !time |
| 12:35.19 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 12:35.22 | skiquel | lut4rp: partying? |
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| 12:35.37 | lut4rp | skiquel, ooh, why? :) |
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| 12:35.47 | qiaoqian | lut4rp: and you always type the wrong command to abuse it?:D |
| 12:36.20 | lut4rp | skiquel, not yet, i'll wait till 20th. |
| 12:36.22 | ipwa | skiquel: hey :) |
| 12:36.35 | skiquel | im 21 today |
| 12:36.38 | skiquel | dances |
| 12:36.46 | lut4rp | skiquel, woot |
| 12:36.49 | lut4rp | hugs skiquel |
| 12:36.51 | qiaoqian | Do we get the results until 20th |
| 12:36.58 | skiquel | yes. |
| 12:37.01 | aghisla | happy birthday skiquel! |
| 12:37.04 | skiquel | ipwa: are you moving to amrica? |
| 12:37.09 | skiquel | Thanks aghisla |
| 12:37.13 | [_firesoul_] | happy birthday skiquel |
| 12:37.37 | qiaoqian | Happy bith |
| 12:37.46 | aghisla | gives skiquel a gift wrapped in a penguin-decorated paper |
| 12:37.57 | skiquel | thanks all, didn't expect that |
| 12:38.04 | skiquel | usually hangs in #drupal |
| 12:38.58 | thebolt | Earthquake in progress... |
| 12:39.09 | thebolt | small one, but enough to make the books in my shelf move :P |
| 12:39.21 | lut4rp | where? |
| 12:39.22 | susscorfa | where on this planet thebolt |
| 12:39.23 | skbohra | ooo00 |
| 12:39.24 | mercurysquad | thebolt: what part of the world? |
| 12:39.36 | thebolt | Taiwan (northern) |
| 12:39.38 | aghisla | oh |
| 12:39.49 | thebolt | they are pretty common here though.. fourth or so i feel since i came here in august |
| 12:39.52 | qiaoqian | Are you kidding me? |
| 12:39.59 | qiaoqian | Taiwan |
| 12:40.03 | goer | )) |
| 12:40.08 | thebolt | qiaoqian: why would i? |
| 12:40.14 | thebolt | and what with Taiwan? |
| 12:40.52 | skbohra | experienced last earthquake on 26th jan 2001 |
| 12:40.57 | qiaoqian | thebolt: It's hard to believe |
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| 12:41.20 | thebolt | qiaoqian: what is? |
| 12:41.29 | qiaoqian | I am in China,but don't get the news. |
| 12:41.40 | lut4rp | probably a small one |
| 12:42.02 | thebolt | qiaoqian: it was really small |
| 12:42.23 | thebolt | i mean, it didn't make the water bottle on my desk fall over |
| 12:42.33 | thebolt | but created some waves in it, and a book in the shelf fell to the side |
| 12:42.43 | skbohra | qiaoqian: believe it :P |
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| 12:43.24 | qiaoqian | skbohra: I am not sure, I didn't catch it in the net |
| 12:43.40 | thebolt | qiaoqian: its probably small enough not even to be reported in taiwanese media |
| 12:43.46 | qiaoqian | CHECKING ....... |
| 12:43.54 | thebolt | but should show up http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php in a while |
| 12:44.38 | qiaoqian | Since It's small enough, we get off the topic :D |
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| 12:49.04 | qiaoqian | !name |
| 12:49.04 | socinfo | Error: "name" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:54.57 | thebolt | hm, epicenter was just off the taiwanese east coast |
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| 12:55.10 | thebolt | 5 on richter scale |
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| 12:56.03 | ipwa | skiquel: happy birthday!!!! |
| 12:56.06 | ipwa | woot woot! |
| 12:56.23 | dineshyadav | !slots |
| 12:56.23 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 12:56.33 | ipwa | no I might move to south america next year |
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| 13:26.22 | ajuonline | gevaerts: file a case. |
| 13:26.23 | ajuonline | :D |
| 13:27.31 | vikas_garg | hey, i want to modify my application , how can i do that |
| 13:27.33 | vikas_garg | ? |
| 13:27.48 | gitte | vikas_garg: wait for next year. |
| 13:27.56 | aghisla | write a comment |
| 13:28.12 | gitte | vikas_garg: seriously again, you can say what you would have liked to change in the public comment section. |
| 13:28.33 | gitte | vikas_garg: but it cannot change a thing now... Mentors are not supposed to change their ratings (see the timeline) |
| 13:28.37 | vikas_garg | no someone told me that he modified his apps yesterday |
| 13:28.39 | EnderMB | All you have to do is write a comment, or better yet, write a Google Docs document with your changed document and link it. |
| 13:28.43 | ajuonline | vikas_garg: you can change it only if the mentor/admin of your organisation allows it. |
| 13:29.01 | kblin | gevaerts: well, you're paying for people who seem to be unable to read the /topic |
| 13:29.10 | ajuonline | vikas_garg: but that feature is not implemented in Melange yet, |
| 13:29.37 | ajuonline | lo kblin :) |
| 13:29.44 | EnderMB | Either way, it's a bit late to be modifying stuff, isn't it? |
| 13:30.08 | EnderMB | I'm pretty sure that most orgs have made up their minds about who they're taking on this year (although things could change I guess) |
| 13:30.19 | ajuonline | EnderMB: you are missing a point here. |
| 13:30.32 | ajuonline | if a person wants to add/modify something to increase his chances. of course, thats not gonna happen now. |
| 13:30.49 | ajuonline | if there is a change in the project plan/scope and the mentor/admin agrees to it, yes he can modify. |
| 13:31.17 | vikas_garg | but my mentor don't know about that |
| 13:31.30 | EnderMB | Can you not seek them out on IRC? |
| 13:32.00 | schumaml | ajuonline: the interface does not give any hint to mentors/admins that this is possible |
| 13:32.01 | kblin | or send an email :) |
| 13:32.25 | LaurieJ | I'd suggest talking to your mentor or admin... as an admin, i'm interested to learn what students have figured out since they applied (even though it won't change who gets selected) |
| 13:32.26 | kblin | I don't think that's implemented |
| 13:32.45 | ajuonline | schumaml: yes, its not implemented yet. |
| 13:32.48 | schumaml | ajuonline: or was your comment ambiguous? |
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| 13:34.02 | ajuonline | schumaml: but that would be possible when its done. after 20th. |
| 13:34.09 | ajuonline | right now, comments is the only means. |
| 13:34.15 | holger | public comments are only for initial communication until another channel of communication has been set up (email/irc/whatever). if that didn't happen yet, chances are you're not in. |
| 13:34.44 | kblin | holger: depends on the org, really |
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| 13:36.01 | mib_4iepqadg | ajuonline: Is thr any way to know that how many slots are allotted to my organisation..?? |
| 13:36.23 | ajuonline | mib_4iepqadg: not unless the organisation wants to tell that to you |
| 13:36.39 | holger | kblin: yes, of course. but i can't imagine handling all communication through public comments only. we used them only to get the student onto irc, and in some cases, to request additions to terse proposals. |
| 13:36.48 | mib_4iepqadg | ajuonline: thnks.. |
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| 13:36.56 | MatthewWilkes | mib_4iepqadg: Yep, go to the student proposals list and it's at the top. Web app help goes to #melange though, not here |
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| 13:37.53 | kblin | holger: we used it for proposal-related communication |
| 13:37.59 | schumaml | holger: ask some web forum junkies |
| 13:38.10 | kblin | holger: so all the facts are at the same place |
| 13:38.17 | schumaml | some seem to like this inefficient means of communication :) |
| 13:38.51 | kblin | mib_4iepqadg: alternatively, you can wait until monday |
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| 13:41.36 | mib_4iepqadg | kblin: sure.. |
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| 13:42.36 | EnderMB | I've just arranged my "back-up internship" if I don't get into my chosen org. |
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| 13:42.56 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Yeah? What're you doing? |
| 13:43.01 | MatthewWilkes | (for the backup) |
| 13:43.14 | EnderMB | Web Dev work, sadly. |
| 13:43.15 | Landon | is going to be a bum |
| 13:43.16 | Landon | :P |
| 13:43.21 | Landon | maybe do some freelance work |
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| 13:43.37 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Nothing wrong with webdev, that's what pays my bills |
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| 13:44.05 | EnderMB | I like it, but I want to do something a bit different. I've spent the last 11 years building websites of some sort. |
| 13:44.25 | MatthewWilkes | Fair enough |
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| 13:44.55 | MatthewWilkes | If you're lucky you can build some deep things, not UI facing |
| 13:45.00 | MatthewWilkes | much more like coidng |
| 13:45.02 | MatthewWilkes | coding* |
| 13:45.36 | EnderMB | That'd be good. I was told that I'd be doing a bit of ASP, but I have a horrible feeling that they mean ASP classic, not .NET |
| 13:46.41 | MatthewWilkes | ew, asp |
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| 13:47.24 | Landon | ASP -> ASaP -> get me out, ASaP |
| 13:47.25 | Landon | :) |
| 13:48.01 | ajuonline | Landon: want some freelance work? :P |
| 13:48.02 | EnderMB | I got a call from a recruitment agency about it today, and it's either that or graphic design for me this summer... |
| 13:48.30 | kblin | I never had to do web development for money yet, luckily, I don't really have a hand for it |
| 13:48.32 | Landon | ajuonline: how much does it pay |
| 13:48.40 | Landon | and do you have my SoC results :P |
| 13:48.56 | ajuonline | Landon: what? WHA?=T ? :P |
| 13:49.01 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Recruitment agency? Bad man! |
| 13:49.40 | kblin | but then again, I spend my school time being sysop |
| 13:49.56 | EnderMB | MatthewWilkes: Ever heard of Shell Step? It's supposed to be some amazing summer internship scheme to get students work they want, but in reality they just pass your info on to recruitment agencies and they pester you with work you don't want in places that are near impossible to get to. |
| 13:50.16 | ajuonline | Landon: check pm? ;) |
| 13:50.21 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Never heard of it. We're http://www.teamrubber.com/work_with_us/developer_internship if you're interested. Get quite a lot of people apply though |
| 13:50.32 | EnderMB | Ah, that the place in the Paintworks? |
| 13:51.01 | MatthewWilkes | Nope, we're next to Zero Degrees atm, but moving down to king street, opposite the king bill |
| 13:51.13 | MatthewWilkes | There are LOADS in the paintworks, E3 is the biggest one |
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| 13:52.16 | EnderMB | I had an email from Team Rubber a while ago, but it was only for a couple of weeks. |
| 13:52.50 | MatthewWilkes | shrugs |
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| 13:53.00 | EnderMB | I might send an application if I don't get onto XWiki. It'd be a lot better than my other options. |
| 13:53.07 | MatthewWilkes | I don't deal with the interns until they're here |
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| 13:54.49 | EnderMB | Are you a CS student at Bristol? |
| 13:55.07 | spectie | MatthewWilkes, hy |
| 13:55.08 | spectie | hey |
| 13:55.24 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: I was, that ad was recycled from 2 years ago ;) |
| 13:55.29 | MatthewWilkes | hi spectie |
| 13:55.29 | spectie | can i msg you ? |
| 13:55.32 | MatthewWilkes | sure |
| 13:55.40 | EnderMB | Do you know someone named David Pickup by any chance? |
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| 13:56.49 | EnderMB | I've got a couple of mates that have graduated or are finishing their dissertations at Bristol |
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| 13:58.06 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: The name sounds familiar, but I can't place him |
| 13:58.41 | BCarlyon|Server | wacks the kettle on |
| 13:58.54 | EnderMB | He's doing his fourth year now, a bit posh, half-dutch. |
| 13:59.03 | spectie | lh, |
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| 13:59.08 | jasebo | !faq |
| 13:59.08 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 14:00.21 | MatthewWilkes | EnderMB: Ah, I've found his student card photo. Yeah, I know him. |
| 14:00.40 | aghisla | runs home before it starts raining |
| 14:01.03 | EnderMB | Awesome. He's one of my old mates from college. |
| 14:01.54 | MatthewWilkes | Did he do the pod project last year? |
| 14:02.02 | EnderMB | I think so. |
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| 14:02.20 | MatthewWilkes | I did it the year before, thought I remembered calling in to check how it was going |
| 14:02.39 | EnderMB | He's working on a graphics algorithm for placing hair on photographs now for his dissertation. |
| 14:03.11 | Landon | going to go work for the rogaine marketing department? |
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| 14:04.14 | EnderMB | I've always been jealous that Bristol Uni get to use Haskell. |
| 14:04.33 | MatthewWilkes | Meh, we only use it for a few months |
| 14:04.41 | MatthewWilkes | I know one idiot wrote a website in haskell and CGI |
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| 14:06.34 | EnderMB | Nice. Reminds me of the old CGI/Perl days. |
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| 14:07.16 | MatthewWilkes | it's all about python |
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| 14:08.46 | EnderMB | Definitely. In a perfect world PHP would be dead and nice languages like Python would power the web. |
| 14:09.22 | MatthewWilkes | In my world, Python does power the web |
| 14:09.35 | MatthewWilkes | I've not used PHP, Perl or similar in > 4 years |
| 14:09.41 | EnderMB | After wasting my life writing scripts for vBulletin in PHP I can't wait for the day that PHP dies out altogether. |
| 14:11.53 | dqminh | EnderMB, that probably won't happen in the near future :( |
| 14:13.26 | lcuk | prolly never |
| 14:13.58 | MatthewWilkes | I'm happy for PHP to continue living |
| 14:14.00 | lcuk | as soon as you kill off a language someone brings it back in a retro-parser and people start doing cool things with it again |
| 14:14.19 | MatthewWilkes | All it does is adds to the "pros" lists of using real software |
| 14:14.22 | lcuk | im personally waiting for websites built with COBOL |
| 14:14.39 | schumaml | EnderMB: maybe start hunting for some little-known patents that could apply to PHP? ;) |
| 14:14.53 | MatthewWilkes | lcuk: GAE supports fortran |
| 14:14.56 | MatthewWilkes | Their API is awesome |
| 14:15.11 | EnderMB | Knowing my luck, PHP-GTK will take off and our desktop apps will be built with PHP. |
| 14:15.24 | MatthewWilkes | http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/04/brand-new-language-on-google-app-engine.html |
| 14:15.36 | lcuk | EnderMB, at least then gtk might get some love |
| 14:15.43 | lcuk | has respect for that toolkit |
| 14:16.24 | dqminh | MatthewWilkes, noooo , its Fortran !!! |
| 14:16.40 | thebolt | fortran is nice.. for certain applications |
| 14:16.44 | EnderMB | Even though it's a bit out of my age-range I'd love to program in Fortran. |
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| 14:17.15 | thebolt | Parallel-fortran for numerical stuff |
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| 14:17.32 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.python.org/doc/humor/#bad-habits |
| 14:17.44 | straydawg | EnderMB: gasp wtf (Php-gtk) |
| 14:18.04 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: nice date for the GAE post ;) |
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| 14:38.00 | Landon | summatusmentis: you write too much |
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| 14:38.54 | summatusmentis | you don't write enough |
| 14:39.00 | summatusmentis | what do you mean I write too much? |
| 14:39.29 | Landon | :P |
| 14:39.36 | summatusmentis | like blagging? |
| 14:39.38 | Landon | that blag post was long! long! |
| 14:39.47 | summatusmentis | that blog post was not that long |
| 14:39.57 | Landon | at least give a twitter-y summary :P |
| 14:40.59 | summatusmentis | meh, it's good for you to read |
| 14:41.10 | summatusmentis | it's 825 words, that's not that long |
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| 14:41.56 | Landon | :P |
| 14:42.26 | summatusmentis | reading fun and educational :-D |
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| 14:43.18 | Landon | already have plenty of reading |
| 14:43.27 | Landon | the 100 or so books *cough* |
| 14:43.43 | Landon | and 2 I just got, best of 2600 and pragmatic thinking and learning |
| 14:43.55 | Landon | no time to read about metablogging :P |
| 14:44.33 | Landon | goes for anap nopw |
| 14:44.35 | Landon | a nap now* |
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| 14:46.04 | summatusmentis | bah, everything is better when it's meta-er |
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| 14:52.30 | kblin | hi lh |
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| 14:53.17 | thebolt | hi lh, webchick |
| 14:53.18 | lh | waves, puts head back down |
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| 14:53.40 | webchick | ahoy there, thebolt :) |
| 14:53.40 | smtms | lh, what are you busy with? |
| 14:53.48 | thebolt | sleeping i guess :) |
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| 14:55.06 | webchick | :) |
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| 14:56.46 | thebolt | hi scorche|sh |
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| 15:19.09 | summatusmentis | hi nloko |
| 15:19.13 | summatusmentis | and neo7 |
| 15:20.10 | neo7 | summatusmentis: hi |
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| 15:38.17 | johndbritton | lh: ping |
| 15:38.30 | lh | johndbritton: pong |
| 15:38.34 | johndbritton | thanks for the blog love... question about lunch tomorrow |
| 15:38.49 | johndbritton | how will we handle the money |
| 15:38.59 | johndbritton | i'm talking with the people who are making the order |
| 15:39.18 | lh | johndbritton: i can haz credit cardz |
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| 15:39.27 | johndbritton | ok great |
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| 15:39.38 | lh | johndbritton: and you are most welcome on the blog love. i am sorry i was not able to get to it earlier |
| 15:39.45 | johndbritton | no worries |
| 15:39.50 | johndbritton | we got plenty of publicity |
| 15:40.03 | johndbritton | CC Blog, BoingBoing... and lots more |
| 15:40.09 | johndbritton | registration ends in 20 minutes |
| 15:40.14 | johndbritton | we've got 240 registered |
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| 15:40.31 | johndbritton | what's our hard upper limit on lunch budget |
| 15:40.31 | alanp | which blog? |
| 15:40.32 | lh | johndbritton: awesome!! |
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| 15:40.41 | lh | johndbritton: i can kick in 500 usd from google |
| 15:40.50 | lh | johndbritton: i have to run for a minute, bbialb |
| 15:41.05 | vladikoff | what are you guys registring for? |
| 15:41.06 | johndbritton | k thats all i needed |
| 15:41.07 | johndbritton | later |
| 15:41.18 | johndbritton | vladikoff: http://nyc.openeverything.us |
| 15:41.23 | johndbritton | tomorrow in nyc |
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| 15:41.38 | alanp | wish i could make it |
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| 15:49.57 | homunq | !next |
| 15:49.57 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 15:50.18 | homunq | !timeline |
| 15:50.18 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 15:57.28 | arunmathew88 | Hi |
| 15:57.35 | gitte | hi arunmathew88 |
| 15:57.38 | arunmathew88 | I have a problem with my proposal |
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| 15:58.02 | arunmathew88 | My Proposal seems to be modified. I cant see the section 2,4,5 & 6 of the template of organisation, which was in my original Proposal. It was there a few days back too. Will it be a problem? |
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| 16:00.53 | arunmathew88 | Hello |
| 16:01.13 | vnkatesh | Hi arunmathew88 |
| 16:01.15 | vnkatesh | :) |
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| 16:01.29 | ArthurLiu | arunmathew88, you'll have to ask that to your org |
| 16:01.41 | arunmathew88 | Hi vnkatesh. |
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| 16:02.03 | arunmathew88 | I asked them |
| 16:02.09 | [particle]1 | ask in #melange if you think it's an app bug |
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| 16:02.38 | arunmathew88 | oh |
| 16:03.46 | lh | johndbritton: kk |
| 16:03.46 | arunmathew88 | so melange is the right place for me is it? |
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| 16:03.58 | arunmathew88 | Thanks all |
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| 16:09.15 | lh | !timeline |
| 16:09.15 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 16:09.54 | absabs | !slot |
| 16:09.55 | socinfo | Error: "slot" is not a valid command. |
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| 16:09.59 | absabs | !slots |
| 16:10.00 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 16:10.09 | absabs | !numbers |
| 16:10.09 | socinfo | Error: "numbers" is not a valid command. |
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| 16:10.57 | avox_ | !numapps |
| 16:10.58 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 16:10.58 | carldani | lh: was my suggested rewording of the ranking deadline ok for you? |
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| 16:11.29 | avox_ | absabs, and its 1000 slots this year |
| 16:11.38 | lh | carldani: honestly, i archived the thread in frustration that people cannot understand not to send feature requests to a mailing list with 3000 subscribers despite having lots of FLOSS experience and being asked not to. |
| 16:11.39 | absabs | 1/6 |
| 16:11.44 | lh | carldani: so i will take a look now, thank you |
| 16:11.57 | carldani | lh: you're welcome. |
| 16:12.12 | avox_ | absabs, 2/7, duplicates have been resolved |
| 16:13.33 | absabs | right |
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| 16:14.37 | lh | avox_: actually, we've had more come up today. this is why we give a few days in between resolving duplicates and announcing student projects. :) |
| 16:14.43 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 16:14.50 | ajuonline | lh: hi hi hi :D |
| 16:14.52 | lh | ajuonline: how are you dear? |
| 16:15.01 | ajuonline | very well :D, how are you? |
| 16:15.13 | avox_ | lh: more dups or more slots? :-) |
| 16:15.24 | summatusmentis | what is up with this channel? we go for days with people saying very little, then all of a sudden it's like "BAM" |
| 16:15.28 | lh | avox_: more duplicates |
| 16:15.47 | absabs | more duplicates? |
| 16:16.27 | avox_ | summatusmentis, dynamic system with feedback and chaotic behaviour |
| 16:16.36 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 16:16.58 | scorche|sh | summatusmentis: when lh arrives, much talking typically follows |
| 16:17.06 | summatusmentis | that's true |
| 16:17.19 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Somebody asked earlier, is it ok to change slot assignments without consulting you if the student you're bringing in only applied to your org so can't cause conflicts? |
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| 16:18.34 | lh | MatthewWilkes: this is fine. it is find to change slot assignments in any case but folks need to check in with me immediately to check on whether it introduces duplicates. |
| 16:18.41 | lh | scorche|sh: no pressure. |
| 16:18.50 | alanp | Anybody going to be at Defcon in July/Aug? |
| 16:18.53 | alanp | Maybe we can do a meetup. |
| 16:19.10 | avox_ | cyas |
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| 16:19.17 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Cool, good to know. The more questions we can answer for sure here the less emails you have to deal with |
| 16:19.24 | tntcoda | alanp, i would love to if it wasnt so far away from me:( |
| 16:19.42 | lh | MatthewWilkes: agreed. :) |
| 16:19.54 | lh | alanp: ++++ - did you see the note re: the meetups list? |
| 16:20.01 | alanp | lh, yes, thas what brought this on :-) |
| 16:20.06 | alanp | s/thas/thats |
| 16:20.17 | lh | alanp: lovely. |
| 16:20.20 | alanp | Figured I would try here first, going to send an e-mail |
| 16:20.26 | scorche|sh | alanp: of course ;) |
| 16:20.29 | MatthewWilkes | (oh, and… lh!) |
| 16:20.41 | lh | MatthewWilkes: yes dear? |
| 16:20.47 | alanp | scorche|sh: you're going to be there? |
| 16:21.14 | MatthewWilkes | lh: As in, "Hiya lh!" |
| 16:21.19 | scorche|sh | i always am :) |
| 16:21.27 | lh | ah |
| 16:21.35 | alanp | scorche|sh: perfect |
| 16:21.35 | lh | MatthewWilkes: hello m'dear. :) |
| 16:21.42 | scorche|sh | and now i depart |
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| 16:22.50 | lh | carldani: very well worded, updating documentation accordingly now |
| 16:22.53 | nloko | summatusmentis, hey, just noticed you highlighted me..sorry for the delay! |
| 16:23.08 | summatusmentis | nloko: no worries, it was an accidental tab-completion |
| 16:23.16 | summatusmentis | sorry for the highlight :) |
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| 16:23.35 | nloko | oh...hehe..mistake? |
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| 16:23.58 | summatusmentis | yeah, was initially responding to neo7 |
| 16:24.02 | summatusmentis | and I hit n<tab> |
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| 16:26.10 | alanp | lh, mail sent |
| 16:26.17 | lh | alanp: groovy |
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| 16:28.01 | lh | johndbritton: if i dont do slides am i a poor speaker? |
| 16:28.06 | lh | just frickin' hates slides |
| 16:29.06 | ajuonline | lh: if i were you, I would put just one word in bold on one slide. and talk :D |
| 16:29.29 | lh | two slides: 1) "I can haz slides?" 2) NO! |
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| 16:29.51 | ajuonline | or just collect random pictures and make slides |
| 16:29.54 | ajuonline | one pic per slide |
| 16:30.02 | MatthewWilkes | "Assorted kittens" |
| 16:30.06 | ajuonline | i will do that, wherever I speak next :P |
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| 16:30.24 | lh | selenamarie: my dear, opensourcebridge.org seems to be experiencing failage |
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| 16:58.59 | lh | ooo, assorted kittens. |
| 16:59.48 | homunq | lh, cancel our additional slot request - it turns out we have the right number |
| 16:59.54 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I just found http://www.flickr.com/photos/53774430@N00/2961894947/sizes/o/ (tigger is the name of a development server that's just gone down, so needed an appropriate image macro) |
| 16:59.57 | lh | homunq: noted, thank you |
| 17:00.08 | lh | MatthewWilkes: awesome! |
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| 17:17.55 | ajuonline | rhubner: ask |
| 17:18.17 | rhubner | ¬¬ |
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| 17:35.04 | dhaun | !logs |
| 17:35.04 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 17:35.28 | dantexid | 10x |
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| 17:48.27 | carldani | lh: cool, thanks |
| 17:48.53 | lh | carldani: you are most welcome. thank *you* for the help. |
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| 18:50.22 | lh | !timeline |
| 18:50.22 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:51.42 | rajan | lh: the facebook page is not updated,I guess |
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| 18:58.34 | david__ | just a few days left! |
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| 19:00.27 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Urgent Message for Mentoring Orgs: http://tinyurl.com/d7co7e - Accepted Students Announced Monday 20 April - Relax! - If You Can't Relax, Fix Melange Bugs: Easy Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/dax2j9, Minimal Effort Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/d97z24 - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - This channel is logged, see !logs |
| 19:00.39 | lh | i am going to go scream for awhile now, very loudly and curse in several languages |
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| 19:02.59 | mercurysquad | lh: what's loose? |
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| 19:03.12 | mordante | lh looks bad :-( |
| 19:03.59 | antarus | lh: I can go get some rum.. ;p |
| 19:04.05 | antarus | is out of rum at work |
| 19:04.10 | antarus | ponders bevmo |
| 19:04.24 | bitsweat | regarding that urgent message -- if any organizations wish to "donate" to ours, we have another 10 great proposals that need slots... ;) |
| 19:05.15 | bitsweat | is anyone else considering or pursuing other funding for top-notch proposals you've had to turn down? |
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| 19:06.10 | bitsweat | we're thinking of raising money or seeking sponsorship for several students, but I'd like to hear from anyone who's tried to go it alone in previous years |
| 19:06.12 | ajuonline | lh: did you get my *pm* now? ;) |
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| 19:07.46 | mordante | bitsweat, afaik some organizations did it last year, some used the google money they got for mentoring |
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| 19:08.58 | bitsweat | that money isn't received until the end of the program, and you'd need 9 students to fund 1 more |
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| 19:09.31 | mordante | true |
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| 19:10.59 | dhaun | we have some money from ongoing sponsors that I considered using for such an occasion - it would be less than the official GSoC money, though |
| 19:11.25 | lh | bitsweat: how about not discussing this in channel and causing mass confusion, etc. that i will then have to deal with? |
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| 19:13.24 | bitsweat | lh: pardon? regarding seeking sponsorship for runner-ups? |
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| 19:13.52 | bitsweat | lh: I don't want to risk mass confusion (!) but this seemed the place to ask :) |
| 19:13.53 | lh | bitsweat: "regarding that urgent message -- if any organizations wish to "donate" to ours, we have another 10 great proposals that need slots... " |
| 19:13.57 | schumaml | wow, the number of slots in danger by orgs messing up is larger than I did expect |
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| 19:14.13 | schumaml | toob bad that mentors are my limiting resource now ;) |
| 19:15.15 | r0bby | :x |
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| 19:15.43 | r0bby | ohh prison break is back tonight! |
| 19:16.28 | EnderMB | Oooh! I almost forgot to watch Scrubs tonight. |
| 19:16.39 | lh | bitsweat: the place to ask is to send me private mail. thanks |
| 19:17.29 | toni_marie | poor lh... are you about to have a nervous breakdown or more resolved and angry |
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| 19:18.35 | bitsweat | lh: sorry, I'm confused :( |
| 19:18.51 | bitsweat | my first comment was lighthearted, I didn't meant to push any buttons here |
| 19:19.11 | bitsweat | and I'm seeking advice from mentors/admins on the second point. I'll email the list instead. |
| 19:19.12 | lh | toni_marie: i am not about to have a nervous breakdown. what i am is disappointed and hurt that people can't be bothered to do what they are asked to do, which means that i have to run around nagging and babysitting. in the meantime i have a talk to write, a developer meeting to manage (which I am doing right now simultaenously), bugs to triage, etc. perhaps folks would like to send in funds for my babysitting services. W. T. F. |
| 19:19.23 | toni_marie | oh I meant in general bitsweat, not directed a what you said |
| 19:19.24 | lh | bitsweat: if you would like to ask for slots, send me private mail. |
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| 19:19.54 | toni_marie | I'm with you, lh, I really am... I came here just to check on you :) |
| 19:20.15 | toni_marie | I thought it was flat out bizarre the 2 or 3 orgs who were asking about switching things around yesterday |
| 19:20.19 | lh | toni_marie: thank you |
| 19:20.32 | toni_marie | and I was like, wtf, you're going to create duplicates after the deadline |
| 19:20.56 | EnderMB | Ouch, sounds stressful. Hope everything works itself out for you lh! |
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| 19:21.40 | summatusmentis | lh: I have small amounts of time, but is there anything I can be helpful with? |
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| 19:22.13 | [particle]- | you can expect that post-deadline behavior from student applicants, and *maybe* from first-time orgs, but from veteran orgs? |
| 19:22.43 | rkatiyar | umm, what are we talking about |
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| 19:22.50 | rkatiyar | !logs |
| 19:22.51 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:22.52 | lh | summatusmentis: no, thank you dear. |
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| 19:23.05 | summatusmentis | lh: alright, fair enough |
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| 19:23.18 | lh | EnderMB: it happens, i will be fine. i am going to find a nice nice bar this evening. |
| 19:23.32 | toni_marie | have one on me, lh |
| 19:23.41 | EnderMB | Have one for me too! |
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| 19:23.58 | lh | toni_marie: will do. |
| 19:24.00 | lh | EnderMB: will do |
| 19:24.01 | toni_marie | for me, I meant for me... I'm not sending you 5 bucks magically by telepathy |
| 19:24.02 | lh | goes to send nag mails |
| 19:24.06 | EnderMB | I'm tempted to break out the beer, but drinking and Artificial Intelligence don't really mix... |
| 19:24.11 | lh | toni_marie: i knew what you meant dear. |
| 19:24.31 | spectie | EnderMB, who says! |
| 19:24.37 | lh | EnderMB: no, they don't seem to. but whiskey and AI, i mean whiskey is great at making you think you are intelligent and it being artificial |
| 19:24.44 | lh | could not resist, sorry bad joke |
| 19:24.49 | spectie | :D |
| 19:24.52 | rkatiyar | :_) |
| 19:24.57 | EnderMB | I'll let you off since you're stressed. |
| 19:25.10 | allisterb_ | somebody say beer? |
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| 19:25.20 | rkatiyar | allisterb_: no |
| 19:25.32 | allisterb_ | :( |
| 19:25.48 | EnderMB | spectie: I only had a couple yesterday and now I'm backtracking over my notes because I forgot to write in some key details. |
| 19:25.57 | bitsweat | recommends a bloody mary with lunch |
| 19:26.02 | r0bby | tired |
| 19:26.06 | EnderMB | That being said, Beer and Java mix perfectly. |
| 19:26.08 | spectie | oh, there are notes involved |
| 19:26.09 | spectie | not code... |
| 19:26.27 | r0bby | I really better have a load of fun tomorrow, i'm gonna be exausted :x |
| 19:26.33 | devilsadvocate | EnderMB, that needs to be qualified with how __much_ beer |
| 19:26.58 | EnderMB | spectie: A bit of Prolog was mixed in as well. |
| 19:27.22 | spectie | prolog isn't good mixing with anything... ;) |
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| 19:28.29 | EnderMB | It's not as good as Java. Java is the vodka of the programming world |
| 19:28.52 | rkatiyar | ruby is the new vodka |
| 19:29.05 | EnderMB | Does that make Rails cola? |
| 19:29.25 | rkatiyar | :V) |
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| 19:30.03 | EnderMB | devilsadvocate: Not too much, three bottles at the most. |
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| 19:32.04 | gangil | #c |
| 19:32.10 | maximumbob | EnderMB: clever |
| 19:32.19 | Ivanovic | vodka? |
| 19:32.23 | Ivanovic | who really wants vodka? |
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| 19:32.33 | Ivanovic | either some good rum, or some aged scotch |
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| 19:32.49 | mib_4iepqadg | shit is going on here.. |
| 19:32.49 | EnderMB | Ivanovic: People that just want to get drunk, regardless of taste. |
| 19:33.38 | EnderMB | Personally, I hate vodka. If I pay £2-3 for a drink I want there to be enough to last. |
| 19:33.46 | floppyears | hi guys |
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| 19:33.53 | floppyears | what are some good code review tools out there ? |
| 19:34.05 | rkatiyar | EnderMB: so go for beer, there is always plenty to drink |
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| 19:34.20 | nullpuppy | floppyears: what are you looking for for code review? |
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| 19:34.31 | nullpuppy | i've heard really good things about review board |
| 19:34.36 | EnderMB | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/144351/comparison-of-code-review-tools-systems |
| 19:34.48 | EnderMB | There's a load. Pick the best sounding. |
| 19:35.07 | EnderMB | rkatiyar: There's nothing like Beer, or occasionally Cider. |
| 19:35.31 | EnderMB | If I feel really crazy I'll mix them both together with some blackcurrant cordial and have a Snakebite. |
| 19:35.34 | rkatiyar | EnderMB: cider is beer :) |
| 19:35.51 | rkatiyar | only it tastes better |
| 19:36.04 | nullpuppy | cider isn't beer |
| 19:36.15 | lifeeth | rkatiyar, Hey!-- Which org? |
| 19:36.18 | nullpuppy | beer is made with grain. cider is made with fruit |
| 19:36.23 | rkatiyar | hi lifeeth |
| 19:36.27 | rkatiyar | sip-communicator |
| 19:36.29 | EnderMB | Depends what kind of Cider it is. |
| 19:36.41 | EnderMB | If it says Thatchers on the label you cannot go wrong |
| 19:37.01 | nullpuppy | EnderMB: if its beer based, then its typically refered to as a lambic (fruit beer), not cider ;) |
| 19:37.27 | lifeeth | rkatiyar, Ah! ok |
| 19:37.58 | EnderMB | nullpuppy: Nice. I've been getting into Perry (Pear Cider) recently too. |
| 19:38.18 | nullpuppy | awesome, i'll have to see if I can find that. |
| 19:38.23 | ajhais | feels alcohol here.. :) |
| 19:38.27 | nullpuppy | hard to find decent cider around here :/ |
| 19:38.40 | optimus25 | can anybody tel WHAT is the Urgent Message for Mentoring Orgs?? |
| 19:38.50 | nullpuppy | and its a pain to make well. i tried once, didn't go so well. beer on the other hand, i've made plenty that have turned out wonderfully. |
| 19:38.57 | EnderMB | I live in Bristol, Cider Country. My student union is full of cider and real ale |
| 19:39.05 | nullpuppy | ncie |
| 19:39.07 | nullpuppy | nice |
| 19:39.14 | EnderMB | It's probably why my university is so bad. |
| 19:39.19 | nullpuppy | hehe |
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| 19:39.34 | Ivanovic | lh: and i think after you last nag mail at least all mentors understand the tiem delta between the dupe res meeting and anouncing the students... |
| 19:39.41 | Ivanovic | lh: this one is really shocking |
| 19:40.06 | lh | Ivanovic: no, apparently they dont. |
| 19:40.13 | EnderMB | Ivanovic: I'm not a mentor, but are you able to explain what actually happened? |
| 19:40.35 | Ivanovic | EnderMB: some stuff seems to have "gone slightly wrong" with mentor assigning... |
| 19:40.51 | Ivanovic | ending with several "top ranked proposals" for some orgs not having mentors assigned |
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| 19:41.57 | EnderMB | Ouch. So I guess that'll affect the amount of slots these orgs will have then? |
| 19:42.53 | Ivanovic | this will first affect the conflicts |
| 19:43.06 | Ivanovic | (and explains why there were not this many conflicts to resolve on wednesday) |
| 19:44.07 | Ivanovic | and yes, if the orgs that have not assigned mentors so far end with a conflict, they have to give this student away and find a substitute, if they don't find one, they lose the slot to a different org (when i understood everything correctly) |
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| 19:44.18 | Ivanovic | and looking at my calendar they don't have much time left |
| 19:44.23 | Ivanovic | not much time *at all*... |
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| 19:44.41 | EnderMB | Sounds like a pretty silly error to make... |
| 19:45.19 | ankitg | r0bby: =) |
| 19:45.39 | EnderMB | Hopefully the org I applied to wasn't involved, cause the nerves are killing me! |
| 19:45.55 | summatusmentis | EnderMB: well, now you understand lh's frustration :) |
| 19:46.24 | Ivanovic | offers lh a good whiskey to help her relax a little |
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| 19:47.44 | ajhais | thinks may be this was what lh said meant when saying.. "my student got a summer job, my mentor fell ill, dog ate my monitor ... " |
| 19:47.45 | bitsweat | I rechecked the gsoc timeline, and it looks like the april 15 entry was altered after april 15 |
| 19:47.49 | bitsweat | "Student ranking/scoring deadline. Please do not add private comments with a nonzero score or mark students as ineligible (unless doing so as part of resolving duplicate accepted students) after this deadline - 17:00 UTC" |
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| 19:48.38 | r0bby | lh: how's NY |
| 19:48.43 | r0bby | having fun |
| 19:49.03 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: the reason is simple: altering this stuff will cause some real problems when a new conflict arises |
| 19:49.09 | bitsweat | perhaps duplicate resolution could be handled directly in melange next year to eliminate this end-of-interim-period stress |
| 19:49.21 | Ivanovic | and basic guideline is: the org creating this new conflict by changing things late loses their slot |
| 19:49.31 | bitsweat | Ivanovic: yes, unless you can see the student's conflicts and resolve them amicably in the app |
| 19:49.36 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: it is handed by the orgs |
| 19:49.49 | Ivanovic | and they have to rerank applications to solve the conflicts |
| 19:49.51 | EnderMB | Since the conflict resolution is "finished" now, does that mean that all orgs are finished with their ranking? |
| 19:50.13 | Ivanovic | so when you agree that student X goes to another org you have to rank the proposal down so that this student is outside of your slotcount |
| 19:50.20 | bitsweat | Ivanovic: I understand :) |
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| 19:50.26 | bertrand_cachet | hi there |
| 19:50.30 | bitsweat | I suggest that this can be handled within the app next year |
| 19:50.31 | Ivanovic | EnderMB: jupp |
| 19:50.32 | bertrand_cachet | i'm from winlibre |
| 19:50.33 | EnderMB | Hey |
| 19:50.36 | bitsweat | to avoid the confusion |
| 19:50.48 | bertrand_cachet | i'm in the list of org that don't attach a mentor to proposal |
| 19:50.48 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: patches are welcome |
| 19:50.49 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:51.03 | bertrand_cachet | i don't understand why we are in this list |
| 19:51.06 | ian_mac | needs to learn python to be able to help out |
| 19:51.10 | ian_mac | :( |
| 19:51.11 | Ivanovic | since i got no idea what you mean with "handled in the applications" since still humans have to come on a consens who gets the student |
| 19:51.18 | Ivanovic | bertrand_cachet: an admin has to explicitly assign a mentor |
| 19:51.25 | bertrand_cachet | because it looks like all students have a mentor assign |
| 19:51.27 | Ivanovic | it is *NOT* enough to click the "i am willing to mentor" button |
| 19:51.31 | bertrand_cachet | ok |
| 19:51.36 | bertrand_cachet | it's thep roblem then |
| 19:51.37 | ian_mac | well, you could have the students rank their application preferences |
| 19:51.47 | bertrand_cachet | how can i assign a mentor to a student |
| 19:51.48 | bertrand_cachet | ? |
| 19:51.58 | hkpco | bye :-) |
| 19:52.01 | ian_mac | there shold be an assign mentor button available to the admin |
| 19:52.04 | Ivanovic | you have to go into "admin comment mode" and enter the mentors id in the students proposal |
| 19:52.08 | bertrand_cachet | i'm admin |
| 19:52.10 | bitsweat | Ivanovic: the app can show us whether a student has other proposals with other orgs, and we can mark the student as "want" or "willing to give up" |
| 19:52.16 | bertrand_cachet | ok |
| 19:52.18 | bitsweat | Ivanovic: this is what "handled in the application" means |
| 19:52.19 | bertrand_cachet | i will have a look |
| 19:52.36 | bitsweat | we use a process to resolve conficts cleanly and amicably rather than ad-hoc |
| 19:52.39 | EnderMB | Could you not just randomly assign the students to projects, regardless of their favourite? At least that way the best fit could be found, students get work, every one's happy. |
| 19:53.20 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: not always the students opinion decides this |
| 19:53.31 | Ivanovic | since basically the students stated "yeah, i want to work with both of them" |
| 19:53.47 | ian_mac | bitsweat is proposing that orgs choose |
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| 19:53.50 | Ivanovic | by submitting a proposal to those two (and working with them to make them take them) |
| 19:53.57 | EnderMB | If I had two organisations fighting over me I'd be super happy |
| 19:54.04 | ian_mac | hehehe |
| 19:54.28 | EnderMB | Hell, I'm so nervous I've already arranged potential work for the summer in case I don't get in. |
| 19:54.39 | EnderMB | I've heard nothing new for a while now so the nerves are kicking in |
| 19:54.44 | Ivanovic | and i'd guess that no org will rank a student high and assign a mentor when they don't want the student... |
| 19:54.45 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 19:55.05 | Ivanovic | EnderMB: you will get the info on monday... |
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| 19:55.47 | EnderMB | I might pick from the spoils of the org list and find a project to contribute to for free if I don't get in. My back-up job (SEO work) isn't going to keep me busy all summer... |
| 19:56.04 | bitsweat | Ivanovic: when there are a lot of top students to pick from, "losing" a ranked proposal just means another good one gets a shot :) |
| 19:56.09 | ian_mac | I'm sure many orgs would be happy to have you EnderMB |
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| 19:57.30 | EnderMB | For some reason, nowadays SEO work is the easiest IT related work to find. Every single job I've had since I started university has involved SEO. |
| 19:57.58 | EnderMB | Well, except working at a sports store, but that experience was so bad that I've chosen to erase it from my mind. |
| 19:58.02 | bitsweat | Ivanovic: if you have slots for every top proposal, and losing a student meant you had to take a mediocre one instead, then yeah |
| 19:58.16 | bitsweat | then you should mark the student as "want" not "willing to give up" :) |
| 19:58.40 | Ivanovic | and i'd guess that most orgs will mark their students as "want" |
| 19:58.53 | Ivanovic | so there would still have to be a meeting to resolve the dupes left |
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| 19:59.13 | bitsweat | it's not foolproof, simply an improvement |
| 19:59.15 | Ivanovic | hey, the orgs already solved most dupes between them this year, only one actual case was handled in the dupe meeting |
| 19:59.29 | Ivanovic | so this ways version seems to have worked rather nicely |
| 19:59.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 19:59.50 | bitsweat | lh's stress level says otherwise :) |
| 20:00.09 | Ivanovic | the stress is there because some are not able to use the system so far |
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| 20:00.54 | bitsweat | because the system needs mentors assigned before flagging potential dupes |
| 20:00.54 | Ivanovic | in general the best thing to have is some notification to the orgs admin "hey, this student is under the top rated students with mentor assigned at another org (orgname), here are the contact details of the orgs admin: email addy" |
| 20:01.00 | bitsweat | so I suppose that could be resolved as well |
| 20:01.24 | Ivanovic | no need to even *start* resolving dupes on students that aren't likely to get in anyway |
| 20:01.36 | Ivanovic | only those with mentors can get in, so it is fine to wait for mentors assigned |
| 20:02.01 | bitsweat | evidence shows otherwise |
| 20:02.09 | ian_mac | you should certainly be able to show the student's preference... |
| 20:02.12 | bitsweat | if everyone followed the timeline and read the fine print, yes |
| 20:02.19 | ian_mac | if they choose to indicate it |
| 20:02.36 | bitsweat | that'd be ideal, ian_mac |
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| 20:03.50 | ian_mac | and what about notification emails sent out automatically? |
| 20:03.50 | bitsweat | ian_mac: "send patches" ;) |
| 20:03.50 | ian_mac | you have x slots and only have assigned x-4 mentors |
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| 20:03.50 | ian_mac | indeed bitsweat |
| 20:03.50 | bertrand_cachet | Ivanovic: How can i assign mentor to student ? |
| 20:03.50 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: basically i see it this way: there is a timeline, it was known what has to be done and those orgs that are "late" now *can* have a problem |
| 20:03.50 | ian_mac | just brain storming |
| 20:03.50 | bertrand_cachet | is it too late ? |
| 20:03.50 | Ivanovic | bertrand_cachet: add the mentor id in the form |
| 20:03.51 | bertrand_cachet | i can't find any way to do it |
| 20:03.51 | bitsweat | bertrand_cachet: select "admin comment" from dropdown |
| 20:03.51 | bitsweat | then set the mentor in the form field |
| 20:03.51 | Ivanovic | go to the students proposal |
| 20:03.51 | bertrand_cachet | ok |
| 20:03.52 | bertrand_cachet | i understand |
| 20:03.53 | Ivanovic | scroll down |
| 20:03.54 | bitsweat | you can ask app-related questions in #melange as well, they're frowned on here |
| 20:04.00 | ian_mac | yeah |
| 20:04.07 | ian_mac | I should be in there too, and not talk in here |
| 20:04.13 | Ivanovic | as "Comment Type: " select "Admin Comment" |
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| 20:04.32 | Ivanovic | add the mentors id in "Assign Mentor (Link ID):" |
| 20:04.37 | Ivanovic | hit "Submit" |
| 20:06.43 | bertrand_cachet | Ivanovic: You save my life |
| 20:06.47 | Ivanovic | if a mentor is assigned, you should see iot on the proposal list in the column "Mentor" |
| 20:06.49 | bertrand_cachet | THANKS a lot |
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| 20:06.58 | Ivanovic | instead of "x Pending" you will see the name |
| 20:07.07 | bitsweat | bertrand_cachet: this is in the docs as well |
| 20:07.14 | bertrand_cachet | sorry |
| 20:07.15 | bitsweat | if you read the right part |
| 20:07.19 | bertrand_cachet | i was a bit stresed |
| 20:07.22 | bertrand_cachet | stressed |
| 20:07.28 | bertrand_cachet | to notive that i have missed something |
| 20:07.34 | bertrand_cachet | brain doesn't work |
| 20:07.38 | bertrand_cachet | in that condition |
| 20:07.42 | bertrand_cachet | my aopologies |
| 20:08.09 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: pah, noone reads docs |
| 20:08.11 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:08.19 | bitsweat | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_appcomments |
| 20:08.24 | bitsweat | it's in the wrong place in the docs, probably |
| 20:08.49 | bitsweat | ah, there's http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_mentorassign as well |
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| 20:13.15 | carldani | lh: I'm a bit confused. You mail dated 17 Apr 2009 12:20:01 -0700 suggests that any re-ranking done after one of the April 15 deadlines won't have any effect on student acceptance. |
| 20:13.33 | lh | carldani: what's confusing you. |
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| 20:14.15 | carldani | lh: we (coreboot) reranked two students on April 15, kicking one out of the slots and adding another one instead |
| 20:14.22 | lh | carldani: ok |
| 20:14.51 | carldani | lh: this was due to a misconfigured spam filter on the student's side and we didn't want to hild this against him, so he got scored up after communication worked |
| 20:15.17 | lh | carldani: ok, so what's the problem? |
| 20:15.44 | carldani | lh: did our reranking take effect or will the old ranking prevail? |
| 20:15.46 | lh | Ivanovic: ok great, next year i won't waste 20+ hours writing them then |
| 20:16.01 | lh | carldani: are the students you want highlighted in green? if they are then you're fine. |
| 20:16.03 | carldani | (no conflicts afaics, and mentors were assigned to both students) |
| 20:16.17 | carldani | lh: yes. thank you for clarifying. |
| 20:16.17 | Ivanovic | lh: in fact it is great that the docs are there |
| 20:16.35 | Ivanovic | this way you can point people there and tell: "read the stuff provided, all info is there!" |
| 20:16.37 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:16.41 | bertrand_cachet | lh: I have assigned mentor today (sorry to check the email so lately), is it ok ? |
| 20:16.42 | lh | Ivanovic: yes, it gives me the opportunity to self-righteously flog slackers |
| 20:16.49 | lh | bertrand_cachet: will check in one sec |
| 20:16.53 | solydzajs | bertrand_cachet: shame on you :-) |
| 20:16.53 | lh | carldani: excellent. |
| 20:16.58 | bertrand_cachet | thanks so much |
| 20:16.58 | ian_mac | ++ on self-righteously flogging slackers |
| 20:17.06 | bertrand_cachet | my apoligies for all that troubles |
| 20:17.13 | ian_mac | hands lh a flogging stick |
| 20:17.22 | bertrand_cachet | we really thought we were ok and don't take time to check |
| 20:17.52 | Ivanovic | lh: and sorry for not reading (all) the docs in detail so far, the melange people have just done such a good job that i somehow have not needed them for most stuff... |
| 20:17.56 | lh | ian_mac: i would prefer people just be responsible |
| 20:18.04 | ian_mac | lh: indeed... |
| 20:18.09 | lh | Ivanovic: flattery of the dev team will get you nowhere |
| 20:18.10 | lh | :) |
| 20:18.12 | Ivanovic | (yes, there is no irony in this, they really have done a good job and for me this stuff is basically self explaining) |
| 20:18.17 | lh | bertrand_cachet: you're fine |
| 20:18.23 | bertrand_cachet | THANKS |
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| 20:18.37 | bertrand_cachet | heart rate is go down now |
| 20:18.41 | solydzajs | bertrand_cachet: :-) |
| 20:18.42 | bertrand_cachet | what a rush |
| 20:19.01 | schumaml | lh: http://www.thomas-galvin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/StupidQuestions.jpg |
| 20:19.16 | Ivanovic | lh: and what i think is really great is that you send a not to all org admins directly when they had to deal with a conflict stating the student(s) affected and the other org mentor to contact |
| 20:19.17 | carldani | are there any plans to check mentor assignment status 12h before the "last call" deadline? just in case someone needs to be reminded? |
| 20:19.28 | Ivanovic | i am sure this helped a lot to get things done before the final meeting |
| 20:19.32 | bertrand_cachet | first time i was so stressed in front of my computer and it was not because programming something a bit too late |
| 20:19.32 | lh | Ivanovic: i tries. |
| 20:19.38 | lh | carldani: yes of course |
| 20:19.41 | bertrand_cachet | Ivanovic: thanks for your help |
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| 20:19.43 | carldani | lh: awesome. |
| 20:19.46 | Ivanovic | bertrand_cachet: you are welcome |
| 20:19.51 | lh | bertrand_cachet: no worries. thank you for taking care of it so quickly. |
| 20:19.56 | lh | Ivanovic: thank you for helping bertrand_cachet |
| 20:19.59 | the9a3eedi | So I went to get more info on getting a work permit. Apparently, it takes 13 business days to process the application.. When do I officially be considered as "employed" if I get accepted to GSoC? |
| 20:20.04 | bertrand_cachet | melange team: sorry not reading the doc |
| 20:20.16 | lh | schumaml: i love it. i really really love it. |
| 20:20.19 | Corsix | the9a3eedi: from the start coding date? |
| 20:20.19 | carldani | schumaml: great pic! |
| 20:20.27 | lh | hugs this photo, sets as mental wall paper |
| 20:20.28 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: start of coding date IIRC |
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| 20:20.31 | ishan | wow, coooooool pic!! |
| 20:20.42 | the9a3eedi | looks at schedule |
| 20:20.42 | Ivanovic | that is: you should be sure that you will get the permission! |
| 20:21.09 | the9a3eedi | Ivanovic: what do you mean? |
| 20:21.16 | ishan | does someone have any idea about how many shall be selected in GNOME project? |
| 20:21.33 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: if they decline you the permission to work you should get some "alternative plan" ready |
| 20:21.47 | Ivanovic | otherwise this slot would (completely) be lost to all orgs |
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| 20:22.21 | mib_nodxef | anyone familiar with open mpi? |
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| 20:22.30 | mib_nodxef | is looking for help :( |
| 20:22.33 | schumaml | !anyone |
| 20:22.34 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 20:22.36 | the9a3eedi | Ivanovic: I got an alternative plan, and that is to go to my country of residence |
| 20:22.43 | the9a3eedi | country of citizenship* |
| 20:22.50 | ishan | !hello gsoc |
| 20:22.51 | socinfo | Error: "hello" is not a valid command. |
| 20:22.57 | Ivanovic | the9a3eedi: then you should be fine |
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| 20:23.33 | the9a3eedi | Ivanovic: though the problem is I can't be in my country for more than the summer, but GSoC extends all the way to winter |
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| 20:24.01 | ishan | gwoc rules.. heheh |
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| 20:25.24 | the9a3eedi | oh.. wait.. it ends at september. that's good |
| 20:25.36 | the9a3eedi | hmm |
| 20:25.55 | the9a3eedi | I really wouldn't want to go back to my country though, since I was planning to take 2 courses in the summer |
| 20:26.15 | smtms | the9a3eedi, two courses in the summer or Google Summer of Code, pick one |
| 20:26.33 | bitsweat | the9a3eedi: you aren't considered "employed" by GSoC, afaik |
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| 20:26.52 | the9a3eedi | bitsweat: I still need a work permit |
| 20:27.15 | bitsweat | cool, just clarifying that you won't be an employee under US laws |
| 20:27.20 | the9a3eedi | smtms: why not both? |
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| 20:27.28 | the9a3eedi | bitsweat: sure. but I'm in canada :P |
| 20:27.35 | the9a3eedi | welll, for now |
| 20:27.47 | bitsweat | I'm not sure you need a permit in canada either |
| 20:28.09 | smtms | the9a3eedi, because you can't excel at both |
| 20:28.41 | bitsweat | canadian work permits are for non-citizens wishing to gain employment *in canada* |
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| 20:29.11 | bitsweat | you can work as a "contractor" for gsoc without a permit, afaict |
| 20:29.36 | hub | bitsweat: I'm not sure of that |
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| 20:29.46 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: no |
| 20:29.55 | hub | bitsweat: student visa usually only allow job "on campus" |
| 20:29.57 | Ivanovic | bitsweat: you need a permission to work in the country you currently are in |
| 20:30.07 | hub | and I'm talking "for canada" |
| 20:30.17 | the9a3eedi | bitsweat: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility I need to be eligible to work in the country I'm staying in. My student explicitly states that I can't work except with authorization (which I'm not sure what that means), and I can work on-campus |
| 20:30.46 | hub | the9a3eedi: then ask those who know about it |
| 20:30.52 | the9a3eedi | though, I was wondering. if I can work on-campus.. can't I work on GSoC...... but on-campus? :P |
| 20:30.56 | the9a3eedi | like, in the uni library |
| 20:30.56 | bitsweat | ah, I see |
| 20:31.02 | hub | the9a3eedi: if you don't you'll be in trouble |
| 20:31.05 | bitsweat | that's quite vague |
| 20:31.21 | hub | the9a3eedi: on campus also mean "employed by the university" |
| 20:31.34 | ishan | hi |
| 20:31.37 | the9a3eedi | hub: :( |
| 20:31.39 | hub | the9a3eedi: like TA, uni library, research labs, etc |
| 20:31.52 | hub | the9a3eedi: unless Google is your university |
| 20:31.56 | the9a3eedi | also, I wonder what they mean by "with authorization" |
| 20:32.15 | smtms | the9a3eedi, for legal advice you should look for professional assistence |
| 20:32.17 | hub | the9a3eedi: contact immigration and citizenship |
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| 20:32.22 | hub | the9a3eedi: and ask |
| 20:32.31 | hub | or ask a lawyer |
| 20:32.58 | the9a3eedi | actually, I went off and asked. They don't know what GSoC is :( so its kinda hard to explain. |
| 20:33.11 | the9a3eedi | meh, I'll see what I can do |
| 20:33.21 | hub | the9a3eedi: it is not hard to explain |
| 20:33.22 | Corsix | "Google pays me to work on non-Google stuff" |
| 20:33.25 | ishan | maybe topcoder competitors have faced such issues, maybe ask them? |
| 20:33.27 | Corsix | that isn't so hard |
| 20:33.36 | hub | ishan: it is not a competition |
| 20:33.56 | ishan | its an internship, maybe |
| 20:34.01 | hub | otherwise Quebec would be added to the list next to Iran, Cuba, Syria |
| 20:34.41 | ishan | good point, never realised that |
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| 20:34.48 | hub | (of places were you'd be ineligible, but for different, albeit non-disclosed, reasons) |
| 20:35.20 | ishan | some translation of problem statement in french issue i think, in quebec |
| 20:35.41 | hub | ishan: no |
| 20:35.44 | the9a3eedi | I had no idea what was wrong with me today. I just wasn't able to get the right words into my head, know what I mean? .. so i coudln't explain well |
| 20:36.19 | ishan | the9, you sure you've been selected? |
| 20:36.24 | hub | ishan: it has nothing to do with the language |
| 20:36.56 | ishan | hub: ummm, sorry.. lemme check the actual reason :) |
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| 20:38.14 | the9a3eedi | ishan: selected? for what? |
| 20:38.17 | hub | ishan: I think I already know it. Google unwillingness to register with the province for a contest |
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| 20:38.45 | hub | ishan: but that's just insulting to put it next to the "terrorist list" set by the world-sheriff |
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| 20:39.53 | devilsadvocate | google cant take people from their because the us government doesnt let them to |
| 20:39.57 | devilsadvocate | its not their fault |
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| 20:40.08 | hub | devilsadvocate: Quebec? |
| 20:40.14 | hub | devilsadvocate: are you retard? |
| 20:40.44 | relix | easy on the language there, mate |
| 20:40.45 | hub | (hint) Quebec is not a country, it is a province of Canada |
| 20:40.57 | schumaml | hub: the other countries there |
| 20:41.01 | the9a3eedi | wait what? quebec people aren't allowed to enter GSoC? |
| 20:41.29 | hub | schumaml: I was talking about Google putting Quebec on said list of exclusion |
| 20:41.45 | hub | the9a3eedi: they are because it is not a contest |
| 20:41.46 | Corsix | "If you run a contest that will operate in Quebec, you must file an application with the Quebec Lottery Board to conduct the contest there (they are affectionately known as the "Regie"). The Regie charges a duty (or a tax), and depending upon the prize values, you may have to file a security bond). " |
| 20:41.54 | hub | the9a3eedi: that's what I was explaining above |
| 20:41.54 | devilsadvocate | quebec is on the list? |
| 20:41.58 | devilsadvocate | seriously? |
| 20:42.02 | devilsadvocate | ouch. sorry |
| 20:42.11 | Corsix | it probably would be for GHOP |
| 20:42.16 | Corsix | but GSoC isn't a contest, and hence isn't |
| 20:42.24 | hub | Corsix: no idea. but it was for something else |
| 20:42.44 | hub | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.21 | smtms | hub, so, what was all the fuss about? |
| 20:43.42 | hub | smtms: scroll up and read the thread |
| 20:43.52 | the9a3eedi | oh ok |
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| 20:44.00 | smtms | hub, please, keep silent in the future |
| 20:44.21 | hub | smtms: it was on topic |
| 20:44.28 | the9a3eedi | what is this "code jam" .. can I spread it on toast? |
| 20:44.36 | hub | smtms: there was a parallel with GSoC and a contest |
| 20:44.46 | hub | smtms: I was demonstrating it was not considered contest |
| 20:44.48 | the9a3eedi | jam << Food.toast() << endl; |
| 20:44.53 | hub | therefor the work permit issue was one |
| 20:45.11 | ian_mac | GHOP isn't a contest in the normal sense of the word, is it? |
| 20:45.31 | ian_mac | I would find it hard to imagine that to be the case |
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| 20:46.14 | ian_mac | mind you, I'm from Ontario, so I know some of Quebec's exploits, and should be ble to imagine it |
| 20:46.15 | hub | if GSoC was not allowed in Quebec, believe me, you'd have heard about it by now |
| 20:46.24 | Corsix | The full name of GHOP is "Google Highly Open Participation Contest", |
| 20:46.31 | Corsix | which implies that it may be a contest |
| 20:46.40 | hub | Corsix: or not |
| 20:46.45 | Mek | precisely because it is a contest it is legal to give money to underage people I think |
| 20:47.19 | ian_mac | nah... |
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| 20:47.29 | ian_mac | why would it be illegal to give money to underage people? |
| 20:47.50 | Mek | well, you can't pay them for work, or something like that; I don't know the details |
| 20:48.25 | ian_mac | you can't? |
| 20:48.27 | ian_mac | in what sense? |
| 20:48.33 | ian_mac | define underage? |
| 20:48.50 | Mek | at least internationally I'd imagine it would be quite tricky to adhere to all various labor laws |
| 20:48.57 | ian_mac | well, maybe... |
| 20:49.00 | hub | Mek: it depend of the country |
| 20:49.09 | ian_mac | I know I had a part time job at 14 |
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| 20:49.18 | ian_mac | and know some who did so when they were younger |
| 20:49.35 | blast007 | there is typically more restrictions for minors |
| 20:49.40 | hub | there are people manufacturing PC that are 12 in some countries |
| 20:49.45 | hub | or manufacturing snickers |
| 20:49.50 | hub | sneakers I mean |
| 20:49.53 | hub | bad spelling |
| 20:50.48 | blast007 | http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthlabor/agerequirements.htm |
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| 20:52.13 | blast007 | the "Work Hours" page is also interesting |
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| 20:52.23 | Corsix | international payments + contest + underage recipients = lots of fun for Google's lawyer team |
| 20:55.49 | ian_mac | Also, at any age, youth may be employed as homeworkers to gather evergreens and make evergreen wreaths. |
| 20:56.02 | ian_mac | I'm sure there is a reason, but that is just a seemingly random thing they threw in |
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| 21:00.46 | icculus | hey, everyone |
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| 21:01.33 | icculus | I'm one of the admins that's too stupid to figure out how to assign mentors. Does anyone have a moment to walk me through this? |
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| 21:02.36 | bitsweat | icculus: select "Admin comment" in the comment dropdown |
| 21:02.38 | bitsweat | and put the mentor's id in the form field |
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| 21:03.05 | Ivanovic | icculus: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_mentorassign |
| 21:03.17 | disismt | icculus, you still haven't assigned mentors !! |
| 21:03.40 | ishan | which project are you from, icculus? |
| 21:03.40 | icculus | disismt: yeah, I already got the talking-to by Leslie on the mailing list, thanks. |
| 21:03.48 | disismt | hehe |
| 21:04.08 | icculus | ishan: Simple Directmedia Layer |
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| 21:04.46 | icculus | ah, I have it now |
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| 21:06.08 | icculus | (I was looking in the wrong place for the "admin comment" thing, fwiw.) |
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| 21:08.32 | icculus | ok, SDL is settled up, thanks everyone |
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| 22:19.24 | l0nwlf_ | idiot |
| 22:19.28 | sid0 | ugh |
| 22:19.42 | disismt | what's there |
| 22:19.50 | l0nwlf_ | I think I should also start advertising |
| 22:20.06 | l0nwlf_ | http://l0nwlf.mybrute.com/ |
| 22:20.15 | disismt | website isn't even opening |
| 22:21.01 | blast007 | worked for me, but the flash animation doesn't work in 'links'. Oh well. |
| 22:21.03 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: chut it , it's just a stupid flash-game |
| 22:21.06 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 22:31.28 | ajuonline | kblin: there were more :P |
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| 22:32.22 | kblin | /ignore ajuonline |
| 22:32.25 | kblin | right you are |
| 22:32.29 | kblin | er.. durn ;) |
| 22:32.41 | r0bby | setting up identi.ca |
| 22:32.49 | ajuonline | kblin: tsk tsk :P |
| 22:32.57 | ajuonline | is not talking to kai |
| 22:33.18 | kblin | :) |
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| 22:45.09 | ajuonline | night |
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| 22:46.15 | disismt | ajuonline, more like morning :) |
| 22:46.43 | disismt | !stats |
| 22:46.45 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 23:04.19 | lh | shamless plug for personal pet project - if you know of great resources for learning about anything FLOSS that are released under a free or creative commons license, please list them here |
| 23:04.26 | lh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.41 | r0bby | lh: this is kinda neat |
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| 23:04.53 | r0bby | identi.ca SOMEHOW gets linked in... |
| 23:04.54 | lh | i figure all you developers know the best possible resources for learning about your projects since it is easier for you to tell what's good and what is not so much |
| 23:05.00 | r0bby | \or ping.fm injects a link to it |
| 23:05.02 | lh | ends shameless plug |
| 23:05.11 | lh | r0bby: what are you talking about? |
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| 23:05.30 | r0bby | I grabbed an identi.ca account |
| 23:05.35 | r0bby | for tomorrow. |
| 23:06.32 | dberkholz | lh: hmm, you should mention that to tim budd or carlos jensen when you're at oregon state ... |
| 23:06.38 | lh | r0bby: you can set identi.ca to federate to twitter |
| 23:06.38 | brlcad | lh: http://www.babyzone.com/askanexpert/toddlers-and-flossing ;) |
| 23:06.44 | brlcad | floss ftw |
| 23:06.48 | lh | dberkholz: they are on the mailing list for teachingopensource.org |
| 23:06.50 | lh | they know |
| 23:06.59 | dberkholz | ah, very good. just didn't see their names on the main page there. |
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| 23:07.37 | lh | brlcad: now that is really getting them while they are even younger |
| 23:08.16 | r0bby | ah how |
| 23:08.18 | brlcad | hey, if you set up that costa rica coder commune, babies are bound to happen.. :) |
| 23:08.30 | brlcad | gotta be prepared |
| 23:08.51 | r0bby | I have friendfeed to do that i believe. |
| 23:09.25 | r0bby | ojh i see it |
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| 23:11.52 | lh | actually, i have pictures of the colony |
| 23:12.01 | lh | will share them later, i have to go to dinner |
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