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| 02:02.04 | solinmx | question, anyone there? |
| 02:02.15 | solinmx | i just saw that i have some comments on my application, comments where made on the 14th |
| 02:02.30 | solinmx | i just reply to those comments |
| 02:02.56 | ojwb | waits for the question... |
| 02:03.11 | solinmx | Im i still on time ? |
| 02:03.13 | solinmx | i mean |
| 02:03.39 | solinmx | did i reply on time after 4 days |
| 02:03.56 | ojwb | well, which students were picked is mostly decided now |
| 02:04.00 | ojwb | as of 15th |
| 02:04.06 | ojwb | but it's not totally final |
| 02:04.32 | solinmx | man... ok |
| 02:04.35 | ojwb | especially as a lot of orgs failed to actually assign mentors, so there may be students currently assigned to multiple orgs still |
| 02:04.51 | ojwb | if so, those slots will be reassigned, or passed to another org |
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| 02:05.31 | solinmx | i see, ahh.. well i hope my updates are considered |
| 02:05.47 | ojwb | they certainly won't hurt your chances |
| 02:05.56 | solinmx | another question |
| 02:06.04 | ojwb | well, unless you were accepted and said something really stupid! |
| 02:06.32 | nullpuppy | wishes he knew his status. monday isn't coming fast enough ;) |
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| 02:07.17 | solinmx | should i received an email every time a comment is made on my proposal? |
| 02:07.31 | solinmx | i thought it was like that |
| 02:07.48 | saiyr | you have to subscribe to it to get email |
| 02:07.49 | nullpuppy | solinmx: only if you're subscribed to it. |
| 02:07.56 | ojwb | only if you subscribe to comments |
| 02:07.58 | solinmx | yeahh... i did |
| 02:08.03 | solinmx | wait |
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| 02:08.09 | ojwb | hopefully next year that will be the default for students |
| 02:08.24 | hts | hello |
| 02:08.28 | solinmx | i subscribed to updates |
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| 02:09.04 | solinmx | so "subscribe to comments" and "subscribe to updates" are 2 different things? |
| 02:09.11 | hts | hello, I'm a student from Brazil and I'm applying for the first time to the GSOC |
| 02:09.14 | solinmx | because i subscribed to updates |
| 02:09.25 | nullpuppy | i have no idea. |
| 02:09.26 | ojwb | not sure, I don't see the student ui |
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| 02:10.15 | ojwb | for mentors, there are buttons at the top of the application to sub to public and to private comments |
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| 02:10.40 | ojwb | looks at the melange demo |
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| 02:11.27 | solinmx | yeahh.. exactly, for students there is a button at the top (only one) "subscribe to updates" or "unsubscribe from updates" |
| 02:11.29 | thebolt | student ui just have one subscription possibility |
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| 02:11.42 | solinmx | ok |
| 02:11.48 | solinmx | so we are talking about the same thing |
| 02:12.37 | solinmx | anyways, my advice, don't relax!!! check if you have notifications every day, dont wait for an email =) |
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| 02:15.26 | Upthorn | solinmx: there is no "subscribe to comments". "subscribe to updates" is what you wanted |
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| 02:17.39 | ojwb | yeah, just one button |
| 02:17.49 | ojwb | no comments on my demo proposal yet, sniff |
| 02:18.00 | solinmx | Upthorn: yeah, exactly my point, there is only "subscribe to updates", for a minute I though there were 2 options and that was the reason why i didn't get an email after comments made to my proposal. But i think that was not the reason |
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| 02:18.51 | solinmx | ojwb: so you are a mentor and you are applying as well? |
| 02:19.17 | ojwb | mentor |
| 02:19.34 | ojwb | but I submitted a proposal in the demo melange |
| 02:19.56 | ojwb | "Implement Perpetual Motion Device in Object COBOL" |
| 02:20.05 | thebolt | ojwb: :) |
| 02:20.12 | thebolt | I can mentor that for you if you like ;) |
| 02:20.21 | ojwb | cool |
| 02:20.44 | thebolt | if you make it a perpetual motion device of second kind most people will confuse it for a real perpetual motion device and think it works ;) |
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| 02:25.54 | ojwb | second kind? |
| 02:26.09 | ojwb | doesn't actually know much about perpetual motion machines |
| 02:26.12 | ojwb | or object cobol |
| 02:27.09 | thebolt | well, there are three classifications of perpetual motion machines |
| 02:27.12 | hub | I thought it was name Objective COBOL |
| 02:27.21 | hub | but I could be wrong |
| 02:27.30 | thebolt | first kind breaks against the first law of thermodynamics, conservation of energy |
| 02:27.44 | thebolt | second kind breaks agains tthe second law, that of non-decreasing entropy |
| 02:28.08 | thebolt | (and third kind is related to zero-friction,zero-dissipation machines) |
| 02:28.48 | nuba | the core engine for a perpetual motion device is a cat with a toast in the back |
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| 02:29.01 | Landon | buttered* |
| 02:29.10 | Landon | a buttered cat with toast on its back |
| 02:29.12 | Landon | :P |
| 02:29.14 | nuba | based on that you should look if theres any organization for the LOLCAT programming language |
| 02:29.17 | nuba | inthe participating orgs |
| 02:29.21 | ojwb | hub: well, as I said... |
| 02:29.26 | nuba | regardless, but you're a bit late for SoC2009 |
| 02:29.33 | hub | implementing a warp drive would be easier |
| 02:30.01 | thebolt | hub: so lets do that this afternoon and then we move on to the perpetual motion machine tomorrow :) |
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| 02:31.39 | hub | thebolt: will be done before the end of my vacation, that's almost certain |
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| 02:32.56 | thebolt | hub: long vacation? ;) |
| 02:33.16 | hub | thebolt: in this economy, you know... |
| 02:33.34 | hub | I had to protect the top-executive bonuses |
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| 02:35.10 | thebolt | ah, too bad |
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| 02:35.33 | thebolt | i guess the plan for next cycle must be to rise high enough so you are on the receiving end of those bonuses in next down-turn |
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| 02:39.43 | thebolt | cause everyone know how easy that is ;) |
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| 03:27.49 | glaksmono | can anyone help me with tortoise svn? |
| 03:29.07 | Upthorn | I have never experienced any problems with tortoise svn |
| 03:29.08 | r0bby | glaksmono: it's pretty straight forward what do you need? |
| 03:29.24 | r0bby | inI dunno how they coulda made it easier :x |
| 03:29.30 | r0bby | s/inI/I/ |
| 03:29.42 | glaksmono | r0bby: i got this message -- Can't write to connection: An established connection was aborted by the |
| 03:29.42 | glaksmono | software in your host machine. |
| 03:29.52 | glaksmono | always at some point when it tries to commit |
| 03:29.54 | glaksmono | grrrr.. |
| 03:29.59 | r0bby | check the server |
| 03:30.17 | glaksmono | check what? |
| 03:30.31 | r0bby | the server side. |
| 03:30.34 | Upthorn | it sounds like maybe you don't have commit access to the server |
| 03:30.43 | r0bby | That could also be it. |
| 03:30.49 | glaksmono | Upthorn, i do |
| 03:31.02 | Upthorn | is this google code by the way? |
| 03:31.09 | r0bby | glaksmono: in either regard, this isn't for tech support... |
| 03:31.21 | Upthorn | if so, make sure you're using the https url, not the http one |
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| 03:32.37 | Upthorn | only other possibility I can think of is that you've got a firewall which is blocking tortoiseSVN's connection |
| 03:32.38 | glaksmono | r0bby, i know, just curious |
| 03:33.02 | glaksmono | thx |
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| 03:37.31 | r0bby | glaksmono: yeh some sites use https for commit access |
| 03:39.05 | ojwb | find someone else with commit access to the same repo who uses tortoise svn |
| 03:39.28 | ojwb | and compare settings |
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| 04:01.54 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 04:02.23 | r0bby | sigh |
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| 04:06.10 | mrTilt | "Urgent Message for Mentoring Orgs" hmmmm... |
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| 04:06.28 | mrTilt | does anyone know what is that about ?! |
| 04:06.52 | ojwb | yes, just some orgs failing to do their electronic paperwork |
| 04:07.29 | ojwb | for students, it means that a few more may get acccepted who weren't yesterday |
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| 04:08.12 | ojwb | fails to really understand how so many orgs got it wrong, but there you go... |
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| 04:08.26 | mrTilt | ojwb: really?! what do you mean ? |
| 04:08.37 | r0bby | sighs |
| 04:08.43 | ojwb | some orgs hadn't actually assigned mentors to all their slots |
| 04:08.52 | mrTilt | some orgs did some mess and know they are losing slots ?! |
| 04:08.55 | ojwb | so some of their students may be accepted elsewhere already |
| 04:09.16 | ojwb | hence they need to assign mentors, and then reassign any slots where the student already has a place |
| 04:09.33 | ojwb | or pass them on to another org if they don't have a student |
| 04:09.41 | ojwb | so no students will lose a place, and a few may gain one |
| 04:10.10 | ojwb | some of those orgs may lose a place, but only by choice |
| 04:10.30 | mrTilt | hmmmm... I see |
| 04:10.47 | mrTilt | well, lets wait a few days more ;) |
| 04:11.19 | ojwb | or by further inaction I guess |
| 04:11.49 | vladikoff | oh snap |
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| 04:16.45 | mrTilt | were there too many orgs with these kind of problem, ojwb ? |
| 04:17.50 | ojwb | suprisingly many |
| 04:18.11 | ojwb | but it's really not an issue for students |
| 04:18.45 | ojwb | just aggravation for poor leslie |
| 04:19.01 | mrTilt | eheheh, I see |
| 04:19.14 | ajhais | ojwb: does it gonna shift the student announcement date by any chance... ? |
| 04:19.37 | ojwb | well, I don't have inside information, but I doubt it |
| 04:20.07 | ojwb | I think if the orgs don't respond quickly, the slots involved will just be reallocated to other orgs |
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| 04:20.36 | ojwb | but we got it right, so I just skimmed the details |
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| 04:23.27 | ajhais | ojwb: which org are you with? |
| 04:23.55 | ojwb | swig |
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| 04:25.03 | ajhais | is there any deadline given for the orgs to respond? |
| 04:27.08 | ojwb | probably, but as I said I just skimmed it |
| 04:27.36 | ajhais | okay |
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| 04:32.48 | hub | april 20th |
| 04:33.32 | ojwb | it's probably sooner than that - the list needs to be final by then and reallocating spare slots will take a little time |
| 04:33.51 | hub | !next |
| 04:33.51 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 04:34.14 | hub | but whatever |
| 04:34.25 | ojwb | yes, that's when accepted students are announced |
| 04:34.50 | nullpuppy | which is supposed to happen at noon PDT, so it'd make sense to require orgs to have made decisions before then. |
| 04:34.59 | ojwb | but it's irrelevant unless you're an org admin or mentor |
| 04:35.09 | nullpuppy | yeah. |
| 04:35.18 | nullpuppy | and i'm just a student. so *shrugs* ;) |
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| 04:41.21 | anirudhs | NUIGroup students, anyone ? |
| 04:43.17 | r0bby | okkk |
| 04:44.02 | r0bby | poor lh |
| 04:44.16 | nullpuppy | though, flash could create "visually rich" interfaces (depending on your definition of such a term) |
| 04:44.20 | nullpuppy | ;) |
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| 04:47.19 | anirudhs | nullpuppy: ssup man ! |
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| 04:49.39 | nullpuppy | anirudhs: not much. trying to relax a little. |
| 04:49.48 | nullpuppy | stressful last week of the semester. |
| 04:51.02 | anirudhs | nullpuppy: get rollin , only couple of days to the results :D |
| 04:52.44 | nullpuppy | yup. i know. ;) |
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| 05:26.11 | SlumdogMillionai | heya guys, are the mentors disclosing results alredy |
| 05:26.26 | yec | !next |
| 05:26.27 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 05:27.23 | SlumdogMillionai | ohhhk |
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| 05:29.57 | mvanga | !next |
| 05:29.57 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 05:31.24 | barmstr | hehe, it's fun to see how many "next" checks there are still |
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| 05:33.38 | anirudhs | true barmstr |
| 05:33.58 | anirudhs | its kinda annoying at times !!! |
| 05:34.06 | anirudhs | when ppl spam around the channel |
| 05:34.25 | SlumdogMillion | wtf anirudhs |
| 05:34.26 | barmstr | what is that quote about "insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result"? ;) |
| 05:34.46 | anirudhs | hahahhaha! so true |
| 05:35.05 | vladikoff | SO, Google I/O anyone? |
| 05:35.39 | SlumdogMillion | what do you mean ! ? |
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| 05:36.03 | vladikoff | SlumdogMillion, just wondering if anyone is going to attend |
| 05:36.16 | SlumdogMillion | ah okay |
| 05:36.28 | SlumdogMillion | gr8 |
| 05:36.44 | SlumdogMillion | do any girls take part in GSoC ? |
| 05:37.16 | vladikoff | when i went to one of the sessions, i've spotted 3-4 girls |
| 05:37.28 | vladikoff | and 20 -25 guys. |
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| 05:37.44 | Fou_Fou | I'm a girl |
| 05:37.48 | vladikoff | thats U of T, toronto, canada. |
| 05:37.55 | SlumdogMillion | Fou_Fou :) |
| 05:38.10 | Fou_Fou | And I've known of a few other girls in here as well |
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| 05:39.30 | SlumdogMillion | rarely we find 'em here. was wondering what's happened to the sex-ratio in Computer sciences...i heard about a heated discussion in a local gsoc channel . and the channel broke up due to difference of opinions |
| 05:39.36 | joeyadams | "SlumdogMillion> do any girls take part in GSoC ?" => A lady is running the thing ;) |
| 05:39.53 | SlumdogMillion | joeyadams, i agree ! :) lh |
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| 05:41.43 | vladikoff | one of the 'burning' questions (during the intro session) was - how much time do we have to give to GSOC. what do you guys and girls think? |
| 05:42.31 | ojwb | it's generally expected that you treat it as a full time job |
| 05:43.00 | ojwb | I think "have to" is the wrong attitude really |
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| 05:43.37 | vladikoff | oh dont get me wrong, i am really excited! i really hope i get in. and i dont mind full timing it :) |
| 05:43.41 | ojwb | if you are begrudging the time spent on it, you've probably picked the wrong project |
| 05:43.46 | dqminh | vladikoff, 24/7 ;) |
| 05:43.57 | ojwb | perhaps I'm reading too much into a couple of words |
| 05:43.59 | sanooj | vladikoff: last year I was planning for about 20h/week. |
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| 05:44.52 | vladikoff | @ojwb, ye sorry about that, <3 GSOC. |
| 05:44.56 | ojwb | most orgs expect more like 40h/week, but if you've agreed a figure with your org they can't really complain |
| 05:45.05 | sanooj | vladikoff: perhaps slacked off too much in the beginning but that came back to bite me near the end. |
| 05:45.18 | ecin | Ah, Google I/O. I attended last year, don't think I'm making it this one. |
| 05:45.27 | vladikoff | @ecin, was it good? |
| 05:45.36 | sanooj | vladikoff: so towards the end it was more like 40+. |
| 05:45.56 | ecin | vladikoff: Google certainly knows how to party. If you're in the area and a student, it's completely worth the $50 to get in. |
| 05:46.02 | ecin | There were some good sessions on Android. |
| 05:46.20 | ecin | But the most benefit came from people speaking about their experiences regarding to something like Open Source Development. |
| 05:46.49 | dmb | google should have some events/conferences in NYC :/ |
| 05:46.57 | vladikoff | @sanooj, 40 hours sounds exciting, that is so much coding, so much experience. @ecin, i am going be in the area - coming from Toronto. :) |
| 05:47.18 | Ryan52 | irc is not twitter. |
| 05:47.38 | ecin | vladikoff: I wouldn't miss it. Sadly, I'm in the Dominican Republic, so a bit further off. :P |
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| 05:49.00 | allisterb_ | ecin, you're in DR? I'm in Trinidad. |
| 05:49.35 | ecin | Ooh, Trinidad and Tobago. Nice seeing the caribbean being represented here. :) |
| 05:52.02 | allisterb_ | yeah I think I saw a guy from the Caribbean working on Fedora in 06 or 05 |
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| 06:10.00 | atmb4u | !logs |
| 06:10.00 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 06:10.18 | atmb4u | thanks |
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| 06:22.53 | chx | [22:42] <vladikoff> one of the 'burning' questions (during the intro session) was - how much time do we have to give to GSOC. what do you guys and girls think? <= _uh uh_ |
| 06:23.05 | chx | vladikoff: if you need to ask that, very seriously, you are in the wrong place. |
| 06:24.16 | ecin | I think the idea is to consider GSoC as a full-time summer job. |
| 06:24.45 | Fou_Fou | That was the impression I got from reading everything on the GSoC website |
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| 06:25.39 | harlan | Last year the 3 students I had all said that GSoC took more time than they originally expected |
| 06:25.56 | Fou_Fou | how much time were they originally expecting it to take? |
| 06:26.25 | harlan | not sure - let me see if one is around |
| 06:26.30 | Fou_Fou | because I figured it would be a 40 hour a week thing at least |
| 06:26.46 | harlan | that is probably close. |
| 06:26.52 | nuba | i think its fair to expect the SoC to require about the same workload college has |
| 06:27.04 | nuba | been requiring during the semester |
| 06:27.20 | nuba | so thats less than a fulltime job would require |
| 06:27.44 | harlan | it;s not about fair or unfair, it is about delivering what is expected. |
| 06:27.56 | nuba | and its fair to suppose 'code in your vacation' not to mean 'work your ass off like a fulltime worker during your vacation' |
| 06:28.00 | harlan | If you can deliver that in 4 hours a week, that's great. |
| 06:28.12 | ecin | So there's variability depending on how challenging the project is, but 40-hour weeks sounds about right. |
| 06:28.58 | harlan | Every software projet I have seen has followed the 90/90 rule: The first 90% of the project takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time. |
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| 06:29.36 | icez | aie to that |
| 06:29.51 | thebolt | :) |
| 06:30.02 | Fou_Fou | indeed |
| 06:30.04 | thebolt | nuba: i would not agree with that characterization |
| 06:30.19 | thebolt | it _is_ a fulltime project |
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| 06:30.39 | nuba | thebolt: well im okay with we agreeing to disagree |
| 06:31.11 | thebolt | you are not paid to sit around ;) |
| 06:31.30 | nuba | ive been working and studying without stopping for vacations for a bunch of consecutive years in the past |
| 06:31.39 | nuba | vacations were just opportunities to catch up with more projects |
| 06:31.44 | nuba | and really, its not worth it |
| 06:31.46 | nuba | in the long run |
| 06:32.03 | nuba | i belive now that taking a break is a need |
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| 06:32.18 | thebolt | well, thats up to each one to decide for themselves (i for one just withdrew my gsoc application yesterday as my RL situation changed and i don't think i can put in fulltime during the summer) |
| 06:32.37 | thebolt | but from my three years as mentor&admin i'd say i expect(ed) my students to put in full time |
| 06:32.46 | nuba | same way as I've stopped using the weekends for catching up with work and stuff |
| 06:34.11 | nuba | from my experience, the only thing you're left with, from working non-stop during vacations, is a burnout feeling |
| 06:34.22 | nuba | wasted |
| 06:34.40 | ojwb | perhaps you shouldn't apply for gsoc if you don't want to work during your vacation... |
| 06:34.41 | nuba | do that one summer, thats ok |
| 06:34.52 | ojwb | same way you wouldn't take a regular job |
| 06:34.54 | nuba | do that for many vacations and youre in for trouble |
| 06:35.36 | thebolt | nuba: i've been working full time at least 2/3rds of all my summers since i was 14.. ;) |
| 06:35.49 | Fou_Fou | however, nuba, a lot of jobs are like that. You work all year year long. |
| 06:36.19 | Fou_Fou | a few weeks off for vacation perhaps |
| 06:36.55 | Fou_Fou | but like thebolt, most of my summers have been spent working full time as well |
| 06:36.55 | ecin | And that sucks. :P |
| 06:37.05 | Fou_Fou | ecin: I agree :-p |
| 06:37.07 | nuba | well thebolt , if you want to boast extended workloads, i've been a sysadmin and syscoder working 60 hours per week for 3 years, with two weeks of per year, and ive been working since I was 12, part-time, and fulltime since I was 16 or so |
| 06:37.18 | harlan | When I was in school I loved working in the summer. |
| 06:37.30 | harlan | I was doing programming work over the summer. |
| 06:37.43 | ecin | Yeah, well, I've been cleaning my room since I was 5. Take that! |
| 06:37.45 | thebolt | nuba: what i mean is, its up to everyone to decide themselves what they want to do with their summers |
| 06:37.46 | nuba | then when i realized my kid was already 3 yrs old and I hadn't seen him grow |
| 06:37.56 | thebolt | but if you want to relax and take it easy, don't apply to gsoc |
| 06:37.57 | nuba | and my marriage was goign downhill |
| 06:38.31 | sanooj | thebolt: pfft. |
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| 06:38.37 | nuba | and i was getting a big belly over my belt |
| 06:38.44 | icez | thebolt, but :[ |
| 06:39.09 | sanooj | thebolt: there's no reason to go all workaholic on gsoc. that would be doing it wrong. :P |
| 06:39.37 | thebolt | sanooj: working normal full-time (~40h/week) is not workaholic :P |
| 06:40.16 | chx | i hate hour crunching |
| 06:40.55 | chx | http://twitter.com/webchick/status/1529377317 i am not alone. |
| 06:41.12 | webchick | heh :P |
| 06:41.16 | thebolt | :) |
| 06:41.18 | chx | waves |
| 06:41.18 | thebolt | hi webchick ;) |
| 06:41.24 | webchick | ahoy. :) |
| 06:41.26 | thebolt | hour planning sucks |
| 06:41.33 | thebolt | but sometimes its neccesary :( |
| 06:41.37 | chx | when you count 40 hours a week, do you guys count the hours you spend talking to your mentor? |
| 06:41.58 | chx | going to a cafe with your mentor talkign about all stuff include your project for four hours? |
| 06:42.03 | chx | we did that with Aron |
| 06:42.07 | nuba | heh now we start our journey into the grey areas of timekeeping... |
| 06:42.26 | thebolt | chx: i wouldn't actually count hours per week.. but yea, sure, same as you talk to people when working ;) |
| 06:42.35 | nuba | im not riding that train, jumping off the thread LOL |
| 06:42.38 | chx | it did not hurt him, 'cos he stayed around Drupal quite some :) |
| 06:42.55 | ojwb | it's reasonable to, though if it makes that much difference I feel you are either worrying about the exact number of hours too much or talking to your mentor too much |
| 06:42.56 | nuba | but, i gotta say this |
| 06:43.00 | chx | thebolt: people here started this craziness |
| 06:43.16 | thebolt | i didn't count hours per week when i was working for Meqon/Ageia.. but you do quite easily get the feeling for if you work a full week or not ;) |
| 06:43.33 | nuba | if you want to build a good relationship with the students, keep it healthy and dont let them get wasted.. this way they'll still want to be around after SoC is over |
| 06:43.40 | thebolt | (that business a full week means 60h-100h.. so i guess i was below most of the time) |
| 06:43.42 | chx | in all honesty, i so do not care, if my student is so good to work 10 hrs a week and finish the milestone for that week, what do i care? |
| 06:43.43 | harlan | absolutely |
| 06:43.53 | nuba | a burnout is not a future contributor |
| 06:44.03 | chx | absolutely |
| 06:44.16 | harlan | or perhaps able to finish GSoC successfully |
| 06:44.20 | thebolt | chx: sure, but maybe then the student could have planned a bit higher pace and accomplished more |
| 06:44.21 | chx | we are not here to burn out the students |
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| 06:44.33 | chx | thebolt: the student does not plan alone. |
| 06:44.35 | ojwb | nuba: I don't think you'll find many orgs expecting you to work so much you burn out |
| 06:44.41 | cregep | !status |
| 06:44.41 | socinfo | Error: "status" is not a valid command. |
| 06:44.47 | ojwb | but there's an expectation that you treat the project seriously |
| 06:44.49 | thebolt | that was not my point when i above disagreed with nuba et all.. just that gsoc shouldn't be viewed as a easy way to earn money slacking :P |
| 06:45.00 | chx | Oh we expect you to work as much as webchick or I do. Not more. |
| 06:45.04 | chx | That's enough :p |
| 06:45.10 | webchick | LOL |
| 06:45.10 | thebolt | it should feel a bit hard :P |
| 06:45.14 | thebolt | no pain, no gain ;) |
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| 06:45.22 | icez | I'm sure most organizations would love to have gsoc students become part of their organizations after the summer, not run away from them :P |
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| 06:45.44 | ojwb | that is indeed a goal for most orgs |
| 06:45.46 | thebolt | btw, the "as much as university work" isn't a good thing to say.. last two months of last semester i was studying 07 to 02 every day :P |
| 06:45.49 | thebolt | (7 days a week) |
| 06:46.03 | nuba | average that with the first two months, then |
| 06:46.10 | thebolt | sitting in the electronics lab cadding IC masks to 04 etc ;) |
| 06:46.13 | nuba | heh |
| 06:46.15 | webchick | For me, I used to help out in the support channel and forum topics when I'd get stuck on my project. It was a great way to meet friends and earn some karma so you felt more comfortable asking people for help later. |
| 06:46.26 | webchick | And, uh. I obviously stuck around. ;P |
| 06:46.28 | chx | definitely not |
| 06:46.39 | thebolt | nuba: well, i usually put in 8-16 or so (with lunch break) each day (5 days a week) |
| 06:46.40 | chx | I am an university dropout for example |
| 06:46.45 | chx | the university was too much |
| 06:46.58 | chx | (ok it was my second degree, had no heart for fight the second as much ) |
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| 06:47.28 | chx | so comparing to a university might not be the best example. |
| 06:47.59 | thebolt | especially not in this part of the world where the culture is that you should study until you fall off your chair ;) |
| 06:48.05 | chx | and honestly: if you feel it a toll , work, a chore... then why are you here? |
| 06:48.07 | nuba | i dropped out off my first degree, but trying again now |
| 06:48.15 | webchick | None of the orgs are going to be slave drivers. But at the same time, if you're not pushing yourself to make the most of the opportunity, you're kind of wasting it. |
| 06:48.15 | thebolt | the whole Confusian heritage ;) |
| 06:48.39 | webchick | The students who get selected will be a handful out of the thousands that apply, and the hundreds of thousands who want to apply but are too shy/etc. |
| 06:48.58 | webchick | If you get a slot, you should make the most of it. |
| 06:49.03 | thebolt | yep |
| 06:49.31 | nuba | chx: is that directed to me? I dont feel like that about SoC, but I'm wary of mentors with that mindset wherever they pop up... or seem to.. |
| 06:49.49 | chx | nuba: ? |
| 06:50.00 | webchick | For many people it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get totally immersed in an open source project and community, because your living expenses are covered. |
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| 06:50.15 | webchick | If you spend most of it on the beach, well. ;) |
| 06:50.24 | chx | nuba: my mindset, saying that it should be fun and joy not a chore is not a good mindset? |
| 06:51.00 | ecin | Also, goes nicely on a resume. "Spent a summer doing what I love." |
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| 06:51.03 | webchick | nuba, I'd be curious where that's come up. Any org that thinks they're getting crystal clean code that they could eat off of out of SoC is kind of deluding themselves. |
| 06:51.27 | webchick | SoC students are dealing with about 500 learning curves at once. |
| 06:51.37 | webchick | Not the least is "how do I structure my time for 3 months so I actually stay on task" |
| 06:51.57 | webchick | And also "How the heck do I communicate with people in 40 different time zones" |
| 06:51.57 | webchick | etc. |
| 06:52.14 | webchick | And somtimes "What the heck is version control?" |
| 06:52.17 | webchick | It's a wonder /any/ code gets written at all. ;) |
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| 06:52.25 | nuba | true |
| 06:52.26 | leftminor | :) |
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| 06:52.52 | nuba | im a fan of SoC, and I admire it as a student who's been fiddling with opensource for a while |
| 06:53.05 | webchick | So if you get that attitude from any mentor, my guess is either they're just not communicating their intentions very well or they're new to this thing. |
| 06:53.10 | I_love_her | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.12 | I_love_her | oops |
| 06:53.20 | webchick | webchick is from Drupal. :P |
| 06:53.25 | ecin | Hah, goes nicely with your nick, I_love_her |
| 06:53.37 | I_love_her | :D |
| 06:53.53 | webchick | I was a SoC student in 2005.. then a mentor, then an org admin, and now I help manage the project. |
| 06:54.00 | thebolt | :) |
| 06:54.06 | chx | well. |
| 06:54.24 | I_love_her | that's a great amount of progress |
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| 06:54.33 | webchick | Yeah, well. I'm a wee bit obsessed. ;D |
| 06:54.38 | thebolt | hehe |
| 06:54.39 | chx | Only because I met her on several occassions I believe she is actually one person. You would never believe the amount of work she does. |
| 06:54.40 | thebolt | a bit ;) |
| 06:54.41 | chx | a wee bit! |
| 06:54.48 | webchick | Just a wee! |
| 06:55.05 | thebolt | hehe, if you view it that way you could say gsoc have worked the opposite way for me ;) |
| 06:55.10 | webchick | But yeah, if you buckle down and really dump your heart/soul into SoC it can lead to really awesome opportunities. |
| 06:55.21 | webchick | thebolt, aw. really? :) |
| 06:55.28 | webchick | Cos you went mentor -> student? |
| 06:55.34 | thebolt | i started out as org admin and metnor.. then mentor, then org admin and mentor again |
| 06:55.44 | thebolt | and then nothing this year (i withdrew my applications yesterday.. ) |
| 06:55.50 | webchick | gasp! |
| 06:55.51 | chx | webchick: just a wee, that's why you are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/07/and-winners-of-2008-google-oreilly-open.html listed here. |
| 06:56.01 | I_love_her | thebolt: poor lad :P |
| 06:56.03 | thebolt | my coding on the project i've been part of for quite a few years also reduced alot in the last two years or so |
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| 06:56.15 | webchick | chx, shhh |
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| 06:56.25 | chx | :) |
| 06:56.45 | thebolt | I_love_her: well, the mentor->nothing is own choice really.. i planned to (and applied as) a student this year |
| 06:56.57 | webchick | thebolt, is everything ok, or just too busy? |
| 06:57.05 | thebolt | I_love_her: however, since the application my RL life has changed a bit so i realized it was better to let someone else have the slot |
| 06:57.28 | webchick | just as well. everyone knows what a huge slacker you are. ;) |
| 06:57.41 | I_love_her | that's a good decision then :P |
| 06:57.41 | icez | I only applied back in 2005 and this year, I don't know why :( |
| 06:57.55 | webchick | icez, which org? |
| 06:58.06 | thebolt | webchick: everything is fine. might be even better which is why i took that decision :) |
| 06:58.13 | webchick | Ah cool. :) |
| 06:58.20 | icez | gnome in '05, gnome and abiword now |
| 06:58.36 | icez | didn't get in in 2005 though :P |
| 06:59.06 | thebolt | webchick: the fact that our last final is on june 26th also is a part of it, and that i have some RL work comming in i cannot say no to |
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| 06:59.43 | thebolt | webchick: also played a part.. |
| 07:00.15 | webchick | 2005 was a small group, iirc. |
| 07:00.25 | webchick | thebolt, ah. |
| 07:00.36 | webchick | Well you can't argue with life stuff. :) |
| 07:00.46 | icez | yeah, my proposal was just a little...bad, now that I look back at it |
| 07:00.47 | chx | I am wearing my 2005 SoC shirt right now, actually :) |
| 07:00.58 | thebolt | chx: hehe, i have my 2006 one |
| 07:01.10 | thebolt | chx: i think right now 60% or so fo all my t-shirts are gsoc t-shirts :P |
| 07:01.27 | chx | hehhhhh |
| 07:01.32 | chx | i only have a few |
| 07:01.37 | thebolt | normal ones and mentor summit ones |
| 07:01.38 | chx | most of shirts are Drupal shirts |
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| 07:02.04 | thebolt | and one BZ-flag one |
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| 07:02.10 | chx | anyways, been a please to chat with you guys. need sleep now. good night. |
| 07:02.18 | thebolt | first time ever anyone recognized any of my opensource t-shirts was when wearing the bzflag one :) |
| 07:03.01 | thebolt | and it was a canadian girl i met on a diving trip on southern taiwan.. not the first one i would imagine recognizing it .P |
| 07:03.39 | chx_sleeping | oh those canucks ;) |
| 07:03.54 | webchick | ha. :) |
| 07:04.03 | webchick | ok I'm headed to bed too. Night folks! |
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| 07:04.07 | [_FireSoul_] | good night chx_sleeping |
| 07:04.09 | icez | night |
| 07:04.15 | [_FireSoul_] | good night webchick |
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| 07:16.15 | ojwb | Speaking of t-shirts - I've wondered about sending project t-shirts to our accepted students, but we don't currently have any. Can anyone recommend an on-demand t-shirt printing service with sane international shipping rates? |
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| 07:17.31 | bradh | ojwb: spreadshirt is popular, but can't say anything about shipping. |
| 07:17.38 | ojwb | looks |
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| 07:30.48 | ojwb | looks plausible, though they don't list some countries we'll have students in |
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| 07:33.36 | MaNI | you could always have them all delivered to you first, and then handle the shipping yourself via a reasonable shipping place |
| 07:33.49 | ojwb | that's certainly an option |
| 07:33.54 | ojwb | or just getting them done locally |
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| 09:39.24 | skbohra | !icanwait |
| 09:39.25 | socinfo | "icanwait" is Have another cup of tea then! |
| 09:41.25 | skbohra | :) |
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| 09:48.42 | kumarabhi | 2 more days to go |
| 09:48.45 | kumarabhi | !!! |
| 09:48.46 | socinfo | Error: "!!" is not a valid command. |
| 09:48.51 | kumarabhi | :P |
| 09:49.02 | kumarabhi | cool down socinfo |
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| 09:49.51 | Kiran | !next |
| 09:49.51 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 09:54.53 | gitte | suggests renaming socinfo to eliza |
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| 10:01.13 | casinaroyale | !next |
| 10:01.14 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 10:03.27 | lifeeth | gitte, L0L |
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| 10:50.10 | chenwl | hi |
| 10:50.16 | chenwl | i meet some problem |
| 10:50.18 | chenwl | Actual source code produced by the student participants in Google Summer of Code⢠for Boost C++ can be found here. |
| 10:50.43 | ajuonline | what is your problem? |
| 10:50.49 | chenwl | but the source is empty |
| 10:50.56 | chenwl | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-boost/source/browse/ |
| 10:51.20 | sttwister | try http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-boost/downloads/list |
| 10:51.24 | ajuonline | chenwl: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-boost/downloads/list |
| 10:51.40 | chenwl | thanks |
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| 11:15.52 | ajuonline | !next |
| 11:15.52 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 11:15.58 | ajuonline | !timeline |
| 11:15.58 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:16.00 | ajuonline | !when |
| 11:16.00 | socinfo | "when" is later |
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| 11:17.48 | gitte | !eliza |
| 11:17.48 | socinfo | Error: "eliza" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:44.44 | r0bby | w00t |
| 12:44.45 | r0bby | :) |
| 12:45.04 | sid0 | ? |
| 12:45.41 | runasand | :) |
| 12:47.15 | ajuonline | r0bby: arent you supposed to be travelling to the city right now? |
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| 12:52.30 | r0bby | ajuonline: i am there. |
| 12:52.31 | r0bby | :) |
| 12:52.43 | r0bby | I left my house @ 515 |
| 12:52.47 | r0bby | am |
| 12:53.01 | ajuonline | ah great :D |
| 12:53.43 | r0bby | yeh |
| 12:53.45 | ajuonline | how to do a domain redirect via DNS? |
| 12:53.48 | r0bby | lh's coffee is sitting right here |
| 12:53.59 | ajuonline | but the point is, is she there already :P |
| 12:54.02 | ajuonline | she left as well, |
| 12:54.08 | r0bby | she's not here yet no |
| 12:54.10 | ajuonline | have you met her earlier? |
| 12:54.18 | r0bby | no... |
| 12:54.23 | r0bby | I think i see her |
| 12:54.31 | ajuonline | ok remind her to smack you, when you see her |
| 12:54.32 | r0bby | Not too sure |
| 12:54.44 | r0bby | ... lol she has starbucks |
| 12:55.16 | ajuonline | i got realbucks |
| 12:55.23 | ajuonline | right here, in my wallet :P |
| 12:56.32 | r0bby | she's here |
| 12:56.43 | r0bby | she |
| 12:56.46 | r0bby | 's not gonna smack me |
| 12:57.02 | ajuonline | u shure? |
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| 12:58.26 | r0bby | yes |
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| 12:59.42 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 13:28.46 | Garuma | !timeline |
| 13:28.47 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 13:29.00 | skbohra | !icantwait |
| 13:29.00 | socinfo | "icantwait" is then withdraw your application, there are plenty of people who are happy to wait :) |
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| 13:29.05 | skbohra | :P |
| 13:29.07 | jhil | :D |
| 13:29.11 | skbohra | !canwait |
| 13:29.11 | socinfo | Error: "canwait" is not a valid command. |
| 13:29.14 | skbohra | !icanwait |
| 13:29.15 | socinfo | "icanwait" is Have another cup of tea then! |
| 13:30.03 | skbohra | I think I can wait |
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| 13:31.12 | pushkalcodes | !next |
| 13:31.12 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 13:32.03 | pushkalcodes | !leak-results |
| 13:32.03 | socinfo | Error: "leak-results" is not a valid command. |
| 13:32.10 | pushkalcodes | :( |
| 13:32.13 | skbohra | :D |
| 13:32.15 | skbohra | !guess |
| 13:32.15 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
| 13:32.32 | skbohra | you can guess |
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| 13:37.10 | jasebo | !speed-time |
| 13:37.11 | socinfo | Error: "speed-time" is not a valid command. |
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| 13:38.34 | skbohra | thinks that its certainly that 20th is really too late seeing the no of impatient people out here harassing the poor socinfo :P |
| 13:38.56 | scorche | <anydate> is too late |
| 13:39.06 | jasebo | was just seeing if socinfo knew something that Einstein didn't |
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| 13:45.54 | gitte | !einstein |
| 13:45.55 | socinfo | Error: "einstein" is not a valid command. |
| 13:46.11 | gitte | That's why. socinfo does not know Einstein. |
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| 14:22.30 | r0bby | sigh |
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| 14:23.02 | ajuonline | r0bby: whats going on? |
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| 14:25.19 | gaurav_hiiii | !next |
| 14:25.19 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 14:25.44 | aghisla | chocolate anyone? |
| 14:25.54 | gitte | Strange. it seems that socinfo's message does not change before 2th. |
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| 14:26.21 | lifeeth | aghisla, yes |
| 14:26.40 | aghisla | lifeeth: dark or milk chocolate? |
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| 14:27.06 | lifeeth | aghisla, both? |
| 14:27.44 | aghisla | np! pick it pu from the huge box on that table |
| 14:27.54 | aghisla | s/pu/up/ |
| 14:28.12 | lifeeth | aghisla, which one ? - I see 2 boxes |
| 14:28.19 | aghisla | the clue box |
| 14:28.19 | absabs | !slots |
| 14:28.20 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 14:28.24 | aghisla | blue |
| 14:28.28 | absabs | !numapps |
| 14:28.28 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 14:28.35 | aghisla | the red one contains.. uhm.. onions |
| 14:28.44 | absabs | !deadline |
| 14:28.44 | socinfo | "deadline" is see !timeline |
| 14:29.20 | absabs | !date |
| 14:29.20 | socinfo | Error: "date" is not a valid command. |
| 14:29.25 | absabs | !time |
| 14:29.25 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
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| 14:29.42 | absabs | !announce |
| 14:29.42 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 14:29.50 | MatthewWilkes | !botabuse |
| 14:29.51 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 14:30.09 | lifeeth | aghisla, I am color blind :\ |
| 14:30.11 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: thanks |
| 14:30.28 | absabs | :-D |
| 14:30.37 | aghisla | wonders why people prefer talking to bots when there are 420+ of us |
| 14:30.54 | absabs | !socinfo |
| 14:30.54 | socinfo | "socinfo" is always right |
| 14:30.55 | skbohra | and smiles after that |
| 14:30.59 | absabs | :D |
| 14:31.00 | skbohra | :P |
| 14:31.16 | absabs | socinfo: "socinfo" is always right |
| 14:31.16 | socinfo | Error: "socinfo" is not a valid command. |
| 14:31.21 | MatthewWilkes | aghisla: When's the midterm evaluation? What's the number of applications this year? Where is the list of organisations by language? (etc) |
| 14:31.24 | aghisla | lifeeth: the one with a white label on the side |
| 14:31.26 | absabs | ;) |
| 14:31.44 | aghisla | MatthewWilkes:got it :) |
| 14:31.58 | aghisla | but there are faqs for this |
| 14:32.00 | gitte | aghisla: I am a bot, too. |
| 14:32.07 | absabs | !gittle |
| 14:32.07 | socinfo | Error: "gittle" is not a valid command. |
| 14:32.11 | absabs | ;) |
| 14:32.18 | lifeeth | aghisla, The power seems to be off -- cant see the label |
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| 14:32.58 | aghisla | lifeeth: then it is the rough one, anyway I hope you like onions as well |
| 14:33.13 | lifeeth | aghisla, /me is allergic to them :\ |
| 14:33.15 | cooldude11 | factoids search #gsoc * |
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| 14:33.19 | aghisla | everybody ping gitte! |
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| 14:33.37 | aghisla | lifeeth: I'll go and pick it up for you then :) |
| 14:33.55 | lifeeth | aghisla, Oh! thanks |
| 14:33.59 | aghisla | here! |
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| 14:34.19 | lifeeth | aghisla, Peanuts in the chocolate-- /me chokes |
| 14:34.30 | skbohra | I browsed yahoo.com today accidentally |
| 14:34.41 | aghisla | poor lifeeth |
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| 14:35.09 | lifeeth | aghisla, and everyone lives happily ever after -the end |
| 14:35.20 | aghisla | haha |
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| 14:35.40 | skbohra | happys endings! |
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| 14:50.50 | oppal | how can we know our rank for praposals ?.l |
| 14:51.13 | pavelo | wait for the 20th ? |
| 14:51.16 | oppal | ?? |
| 14:51.17 | oppal | ??? |
| 14:51.41 | oppal | but i think it is decided till now?. |
| 14:51.49 | oppal | as it is mention insite?. |
| 14:51.50 | devvrat | as you student you can't see it |
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| 14:51.52 | ojwb | it will be announced on 20th |
| 14:51.55 | stevenj | short of bribing your org, probably have to wait till the 20th |
| 14:52.22 | devvrat | well,bribing is a good option ;) |
| 14:52.53 | pavelo | if i am gonna bribe someone, then I'll bribe them to accept me, not just to tell me my rank |
| 14:52.59 | dhaun | only when bribes = sending patches ... |
| 14:53.39 | devvrat | dhaun: geek ! |
| 14:54.43 | dhaun | indeed, how did you know? |
| 14:54.58 | r0bby | I am *SO* shakey |
| 14:55.03 | devvrat | :) |
| 14:55.20 | devvrat | s/:)/:P |
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| 16:03.45 | kumarabhi | !slots |
| 16:03.45 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
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| 16:13.35 | Wolfward | How can I add mibbit to my Pidgen chat program? |
| 16:14.19 | PearlJam | Wolfward: why would you want to do thaT? |
| 16:14.28 | PearlJam | Pidgin has native support for IRC. use that. |
| 16:14.34 | blast007 | Wolfward: mibbit is just a web IRC client. So just set up an IRC in pidgin. |
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| 16:14.54 | blast007 | this is the freenode IRC. |
| 16:15.13 | Wolfward | Yes..... |
| 16:15.36 | blast007 | http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin |
| 16:16.12 | blast007 | should be pretty much the same as creating any other kind of account |
| 16:16.15 | qiaoqian | Firefox plugin is just ok @:@ |
| 16:16.36 | qiaoqian | Chatzilla |
| 16:17.00 | Wolfward | not really, there isn't a checkbox for IRC. |
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| 16:18.38 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: |
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| 16:20.39 | MatthewWilkes | hi ajuonline |
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| 16:21.03 | ajuonline | how are you doing MatthewWilkes |
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| 16:21.54 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: know any audio book players for the g1? |
| 16:21.56 | MatthewWilkes | I've got shitloads of work to do before term starts on monday, and I've just found out I'm £300 in the brown on my bank account, so can't get any money out |
| 16:21.58 | MatthewWilkes | You? |
| 16:22.05 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: The built in "Music" app? |
| 16:22.34 | ajuonline | ok never tried that out yet :P |
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| 16:52.02 | gongat | http://www.ihatemindy.com/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=60d9623105a2cbd8cecae0f8bdb4dd77 |
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| 16:53.44 | qiaoqian | exit |
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| 16:55.33 | gento_ | !time |
| 16:55.34 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 16:55.50 | gento_ | !next |
| 16:55.51 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 17:27.46 | kumarabhi | !timeline |
| 17:27.46 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 17:29.00 | [_FireSoul_] | !timeline |
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| 17:29.12 | [_FireSoul_] | ah!!.. socinfo ignored me :( |
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| 17:29.30 | devvrat | !timeline |
| 17:29.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:29.44 | devvrat | [_FireSoul_]: :P |
| 17:30.03 | [_FireSoul_] | not again.. :( let me try once more :) |
| 17:30.06 | kumarabhi | ha ha |
| 17:30.10 | [_FireSoul_] | !timeline |
| 17:30.17 | devvrat | :D |
| 17:30.19 | kumarabhi | !timeline |
| 17:30.19 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:30.25 | rajan | !timeline |
| 17:30.26 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:30.30 | kumarabhi | it ignored me too |
| 17:30.32 | rajan | haha |
| 17:30.44 | devvrat | [_FireSoul_]: bad lack :P |
| 17:30.45 | cooldude11 | :)why so Firesoul |
| 17:30.49 | kumarabhi | :P |
| 17:30.52 | [_FireSoul_] | see see .. thats being unfair lol |
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| 17:31.19 | [_FireSoul_] | did i miss any thing he he got disconnected |
| 17:31.48 | devvrat | oh... [_FireSoul_] i thought you were really sad due to the incident that you left :P |
| 17:32.26 | devvrat | !botabuse |
| 17:32.26 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 17:36.39 | sulabh_m | socinfo ignored me for 10 mins.. grrr! how do you make him list all the valid commands |
| 17:37.07 | PearlJam | sulabh_m: (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 17:37.31 | sulabh_m | oh my bad, its written right there, thanks anyways |
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| 17:39.24 | cooldude11 | !factoids search #gsoc * |
| 17:39.24 | socinfo | 'soc', 'support', 'answer', 'soc2007', 'soc2006', 'soc2005', 'advice', 'objective', 'piracy', 'webapp', 'offtopic', 'yes', 'python', 'haha', 'sample', 'soc2008', 'ghop', 'tea', 'odds', 'log', 'dunno', 'relax', 'melange', 'blog', 'swag', 'notapply', 'when', 'thanks', 'socinfo', 'faq', 'orgcriteria', 'login', 'logs', 'bug', '18', 'botsnack', 'google', 'userguide', 'cheese', 'timeline', 'bugs', 'features', (2 more messages) |
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| 17:40.01 | ajhais | !google |
| 17:40.01 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 17:40.39 | Jibesh | !haha |
| 17:40.40 | socinfo | "haha" is meant for slashdot, not for gsoc. Repeated attempts at derailing a conversation will not result in a +5 funny, but a +q silenced. |
| 17:40.53 | lut4rp | lulz |
| 17:41.01 | rajan | ajhais: then why is google is mentioned in the list of keywords ? |
| 17:41.20 | susscorfa | !tea |
| 17:41.20 | socinfo | "tea" is (#1) always a valid option, or (#2) It's always tea time, have a cup on the house! |
| 17:41.39 | cooldude11 | !haha |
| 17:41.39 | cooldude11 | !cheese |
| 17:41.39 | socinfo | "haha" is meant for slashdot, not for gsoc. Repeated attempts at derailing a conversation will not result in a +5 funny, but a +q silenced. |
| 17:41.40 | socinfo | "cheese" is (#1) don't forget to serve cheese at the mentor summit, or (#2) really really nice cheese. lots of different kinds. with apples, fuji, also granny smith. more fuji. cranberries, dried. walnuts - roasted. crackers also. perhaps some baguette slices |
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| 17:42.44 | cooldude11 | !answer |
| 17:42.44 | socinfo | "answer" is (#1) Read before you ask! Look at the channel topic, read online resources. THEN you won't have to ask this question!!!, or (#2) http://tinyurl.com/2j6bh |
| 17:44.51 | cooldude11 | !advice |
| 17:44.51 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 17:45.12 | cooldude11 | !offtopic |
| 17:45.12 | socinfo | "offtopic" is Please do not talk about offtopic subjects, or about other projects when the channel is active. There are 400 other people here so the channel quickly becomes unreadable. Thank you! |
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| 17:48.47 | disismt | !fa |
| 17:48.47 | socinfo | Error: "fa" is not a valid command. |
| 17:48.50 | disismt | !faq |
| 17:48.50 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 17:53.32 | chunmu1 | err... socinfo doesnt give proper reply in pm or what? |
| 17:53.45 | chunmu1 | assumes he can pm socinfo :P |
| 17:53.52 | chunmu1 | !factoids |
| 17:53.53 | socinfo | Error: "factoids" is not a valid command. |
| 17:53.57 | chunmu1 | !factoid |
| 17:53.58 | socinfo | Error: "factoid" is not a valid command. |
| 17:54.03 | chunmu1 | !next |
| 17:54.04 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 17:54.26 | chunmu1 | ajuonline: hi |
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| 17:56.28 | dantexid | !logs |
| 17:56.28 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 18:03.10 | ajuonline | chunmu1: ho |
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| 18:03.27 | ajuonline | chunmu1: you need |
| 18:03.28 | ajuonline | !botabuse |
| 18:03.29 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 18:18.18 | kumarabhi | factoids search #gsoc * |
| 18:18.28 | kumarabhi | more |
| 18:18.32 | kumarabhi | !more |
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| 18:18.32 | socinfo | Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. |
| 18:19.16 | MatthewWilkes | kumarabhi: Those commands are for private message. Type /query socinfo |
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| 18:19.32 | kumarabhi | ok |
| 18:19.36 | joevano | ~lh++ |
| 18:20.11 | smtms | what's ~lh? |
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| 18:30.27 | joevano | smtms: giving karma to lh for all her hard work |
| 18:31.05 | dmj726 | joevano: not making lh scale? |
| 18:31.13 | l0nwlf_ | lh++ |
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| 18:33.15 | joevano | dmj736: i would never mention a scale and lh in the same sentence ;) |
| 18:34.00 | joevano | dmj726: i am assuming you mean to the rest of the team.. i really dont pay that much attention to who the others are unfortunately |
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| 18:54.18 | mmadia | greetings all. what's the consensus of publishing the proposals of accepted students (on or after google's official announcement)? |
| 18:54.42 | mmadia | for example, could i host a copy of their proposal on my organizations website? |
| 18:55.23 | smtms | mmadia, I think Google would not object |
| 18:55.33 | smtms | mmadia, however, you should get permission from your students |
| 18:55.34 | ajuonline | many organisations already do that, posting it on the wiki. or asking students to write it up on the wiki as well. |
| 18:56.13 | schumaml | then it is the students' choice to publish it, though |
| 18:56.59 | mmadia | thanks. :) |
| 18:58.10 | ajuonline | mmadia: you could just ask all students to do the same, post it on the wiki. |
| 18:58.13 | dhaun | mmadia: you may want to review the private information about the students before publication |
| 18:58.26 | ajuonline | yeah removing the private contact info |
| 18:58.48 | ajuonline | it should anyways be out in the open :-) minus the private info. |
| 18:58.59 | mmadia | Right, i'd just like the guts of the proposal viewable. |
| 18:59.25 | ajuonline | its not about guts. thats how things in open source should ideally be. "open" :D |
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| 19:03.52 | Corsix | My proposals are online and linked to in the relevant project's mailing lists, e.g. http://corsix.org/gsoc/ribbon.html |
| 19:04.36 | ajuonline | 's is published as well on Google Docs |
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| 19:06.59 | MatthewWilkes | Corsix: Nice! |
| 19:07.53 | sid0 | Corsix: good stuff |
| 19:07.57 | Landon | hddvd, what a spectacular failure |
| 19:08.01 | Landon | goes to reap the rewards |
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| 19:13.03 | aqcoder | !logs |
| 19:13.03 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 19:42.56 | npe | !next |
| 19:42.57 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 19:45.21 | allisterb | "PLEASE INFORM EVERYONE |
| 19:45.21 | allisterb | Emails with pictures of Osama Bin-Laden hanged are being sent and the moment that you open these emails your computer will crash and you will not be able to fix it! |
| 19:45.21 | allisterb | " |
| 19:45.54 | allisterb | "Do not open any message with an attached file called 'Invitation' regardless of who sent it. |
| 19:45.54 | allisterb | It is a virus that opens an Olympic Torch which 'burns' the whole hard disc C of your computer." |
| 19:46.03 | allisterb | rly |
| 19:46.30 | allisterb | chain letters ftl |
| 19:47.14 | johang | allisterb: you just forwarded the chain letter to 430 ppl |
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| 19:47.20 | blast007 | hehe.. |
| 19:47.29 | ajuonline | and why would someone paste a chain letter here :P |
| 19:48.06 | mordante | I wonder how it can burn my C disc... I don't have one here ;-) |
| 19:49.18 | allisterb | It seemed more creative than the odinary set if chain junk I get |
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| 19:49.48 | mordante | well what you posted doesn't seem creative to me at all |
| 19:49.51 | Corsix | you need to signup to more creative chainmail then |
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| 19:53.06 | dmitrig01|afk | Corsix: lol |
| 19:55.26 | p_l | yeah, also, what is that "C" disk? :P |
| 19:55.28 | ajuonline | dmitrig01|afk: ur nick says you are afk Xd |
| 19:55.33 | ajuonline | XD* |
| 19:55.56 | Corsix | If C isn't found, it'll mount ~ as /C |
| 19:55.58 | Corsix | obviously |
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| 19:56.29 | mordante | I hope this virus can do that itself :-P |
| 19:56.51 | MatthewWilkes | p_l: The Hard Disc C is /dev/hdc or /dev/sdc, obviously |
| 19:57.07 | MatthewWilkes | ;) |
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| 19:58.44 | mordante | \/dev/hdc is my CD-RW so that explains the burning... |
| 19:58.55 | mordante | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.12 | p_l | MatthewWilkes: and what happened to good, old /dev/c0b0t0s0 (might've got the letters wrong...)? |
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| 20:17.18 | ArthurLiu | question: can we swap a student with one of our waitlisted student during the bonding period ? |
| 20:17.24 | ArthurLiu | or do we just loose the slot ? |
| 20:17.53 | Corsix | not during bonding |
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| 20:18.02 | Corsix | as students will have been announced |
| 20:18.06 | ArthurLiu | mmh |
| 20:18.12 | ajuonline | whatever you do, has to be done before results are announced. |
| 20:18.27 | ArthurLiu | ok |
| 20:18.30 | Corsix | before the 20th, maybe |
| 20:18.34 | Corsix | but after, no |
| 20:18.44 | ArthurLiu | thanks |
| 20:19.14 | ajuonline | but if that change gives rise to some duplicate conflicts :P |
| 20:19.29 | ajuonline | you would want an official word on this. i'd say, sending a mail to the mentor list or lh directly. |
| 20:19.32 | ArthurLiu | there wouldn't be duplicate, we're sure of that |
| 20:19.46 | ajuonline | doesnt speak for the ospo/google |
| 20:20.20 | chx | any change today must be go through LH |
| 20:20.35 | chx | and after tomorrow there are no more changes üü but I do not speak for Google either |
| 20:20.42 | ajuonline | :D |
| 20:20.46 | MatthewWilkes | ArthurLiu: If the new student applied to your org only you can just change it, if you don't have that assurance from the student it needs a duplicate check. |
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| 20:21.14 | ArthurLiu | I got word from the admin of the other org that he won't be accepted there |
| 20:21.23 | ArthurLiu | (the other org he applied to) |
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| 20:22.10 | ajuonline | if I were you, I'd mail the list/lh |
| 20:22.28 | MatthewWilkes | ArthurLiu: Yeah, I'd say change it and ask lh to ensure it's all ok |
| 20:22.45 | ajuonline | or someone in #melange |
| 20:23.05 | ArthurLiu | ok |
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| 20:52.26 | glaksmono | so no decision yet huh ? |
| 20:52.29 | glaksmono | anyone got decisions? |
| 20:52.44 | smtms | glaksmono, what decision do you want? |
| 20:52.53 | glaksmono | accepted students lol |
| 20:52.58 | Upthorn | he wants to know if he's been accepted |
| 20:52.59 | smtms | glaksmono, tomorrow |
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| 20:53.01 | rajan | LOL |
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| 20:53.03 | Upthorn | everyone will know on monday. |
| 20:53.16 | neo7 | any ASCEND mentor here |
| 20:53.16 | neo7 | ? |
| 20:53.18 | rajan | Tuesday,in my case |
| 20:53.22 | rajan | :P |
| 20:53.25 | glaksmono | lol |
| 20:53.35 | Upthorn | smtms: day after tomorrow |
| 20:53.49 | Upthorn | !anyone |
| 20:53.49 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 20:53.55 | Garuma | what was the connected count last year already around this period already ? |
| 20:53.56 | neo7 | will also see it on tuesday |
| 20:54.04 | Garuma | we might break up another record |
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| 20:54.23 | smtms | Upthorn, learn about timezones |
| 20:54.25 | rajan | Garuma: record of? |
| 20:54.37 | Upthorn | smtms: 46 hours is more than one day. |
| 20:54.57 | Upthorn | and that is when the announcement happens |
| 20:55.00 | smtms | Upthorn, tomorrow is the day after today |
| 20:55.02 | Garuma | rajan: num of impatient people connected |
| 20:55.16 | smtms | Upthorn, it's Sunday already in some parts of the world |
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| 20:55.32 | Upthorn | yes, but the announcement is the day after tomorrow. |
| 20:55.39 | thiago_home | it's past 1200 GMT, so some parts of the world are on Sunday already |
| 20:55.42 | thiago_home | so for them, it's tomorrow |
| 20:55.50 | thiago_home | or, actually, no |
| 20:55.56 | Upthorn | right |
| 20:55.58 | thiago_home | because the announcement won't be on the 20th for them |
| 20:56.00 | rajan | Garuma: Seriously !! but I am trying to finish maximum of my work by then,because I know,in both cases (selected/rejected),I won't be able to work for rest of time,untill I sleep ;) |
| 20:56.06 | Upthorn | it'll be tuesday for them |
| 20:56.45 | sttwister | !timeline |
| 20:56.45 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 20:56.59 | Upthorn | Except for timezones which changed date within the past ~two hours |
| 20:57.09 | Garuma | rajan: GSoC result day is like ./ effect but on IRC |
| 20:57.20 | Garuma | */. |
| 20:57.44 | rajan | yep ;) |
| 20:57.54 | thiago_home | has seen much worse in IRC channels |
| 20:58.05 | thiago_home | but the worst part is... the results are on the web, not on IRC |
| 20:58.21 | thiago_home | so flocking here won't get them anywhere |
| 20:58.46 | Garuma | thiago_home: too bad they don't know that :p |
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| 20:58.51 | smtms | they could be announced here |
| 20:58.52 | thiago_home | yeah |
| 20:58.56 | smtms | one by one... |
| 20:58.58 | thiago_home | smtms: 1000 names... |
| 20:59.01 | Landon | we've still got to double our capacity! |
| 20:59.01 | thiago_home | yeah, that'd be fun |
| 20:59.06 | Landon | only 414 in here |
| 20:59.08 | Landon | !chanpeak |
| 20:59.09 | socinfo | Error: "chanpeak" is not a valid command. |
| 20:59.13 | saiyr | announce them one by one all day in a loop like a ticker |
| 20:59.15 | Landon | !peak |
| 20:59.15 | socinfo | "peak" is Peak for #gsoc@freenode: 874 (Mon Apr 21 14:44:36 2008) |
| 20:59.29 | rajan | nooooooo,not one by one |
| 20:59.34 | rajan | x-( |
| 21:00.04 | saiyr | or 43 seconds per name and no loop ;) |
| 21:00.19 | Murmuria | I wonder what that would feel like, specially for the 1000th guy ... :P |
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| 21:00.28 | rajan | lol .. noooooo |
| 21:00.31 | rajan | lol |
| 21:00.32 | smtms | saiyr, why 43? |
| 21:00.39 | Murmuria | why not 42? |
| 21:00.45 | rajan | yes,why "43" ? |
| 21:00.56 | thiago_home | 43.2 seconds per name |
| 21:01.01 | saiyr | 12 hours divided by 1000 people is 43.2 seconds |
| 21:01.13 | saiyr | and i am an integer so i truncate |
| 21:01.15 | rajan | wow |
| 21:01.16 | rajan | lol |
| 21:01.27 | thiago_home | you'd be off by more than 3 minutes then :-) |
| 21:01.36 | Landon | then we delay! |
| 21:01.45 | thiago_home | c'mon, don't tell me you people haven't memorised the number 86400... |
| 21:01.47 | thiago_home | :-) |
| 21:01.50 | saiyr | so the last guy should thank me for saving him 3 minuets of time :) |
| 21:01.53 | saiyr | minutes* |
| 21:02.16 | thiago_home | good point |
| 21:02.17 | Landon | or |
| 21:02.24 | Landon | we could create a student:irc nick mapping |
| 21:02.39 | Landon | and highlight htem |
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| 21:02.46 | Landon | significantly smaller set of them are in the channel |
| 21:02.58 | saiyr | where's the fun in that? |
| 21:03.13 | Landon | or |
| 21:03.13 | saiyr | it's all about suspense building and driving people nuts |
| 21:03.18 | Landon | they could do a massive highlight |
| 21:03.24 | Landon | highlight a few hundred people |
| 21:03.30 | Landon | a few minutes betwee ban batches |
| 21:03.34 | Landon | then say "In" |
| 21:03.44 | Landon | s/betwee ban/between |
| 21:03.58 | Landon | would drive more people crazier for longer |
| 21:03.59 | Landon | :P |
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| 21:04.34 | saiyr | move it to a channel with no logs too, so people who show up late are sol |
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| 21:06.52 | Landon | saiyr: like ##gsoc? :P |
| 21:07.06 | Garuma | mail notifications are good too you know :p |
| 21:07.09 | rajan | this time,I am hearing from every org,that Google has strictly asked them,not to release any kind of info before 20th |
| 21:07.11 | saiyr | sure, as long as i know what it is beforehand ;) |
| 21:07.46 | saiyr | though knowing my luck, my internet would give out at the exactly wrong time |
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| 21:08.09 | thiago_home | Google has |
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| 21:08.14 | thiago_home | last year, one org pre-announced |
| 21:08.21 | thiago_home | then the results changed for whatever reason |
| 21:10.41 | r0bby | hey guys :) |
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| 21:16.20 | rajan | r0bby: hi |
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| 21:38.37 | akh1989 | !logs |
| 21:38.37 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 21:40.33 | kblin | whoa there |
| 21:40.43 | kblin | reads some emails |
| 21:40.59 | omniter | hey people :d |
| 21:41.02 | omniter | who's excited :D |
| 21:41.24 | smtms | omniter, you are not going to make it |
| 21:41.27 | omniter | jumps up and down on spot |
| 21:41.29 | omniter | :( |
| 21:41.37 | smtms | omniter, are you still excited? |
| 21:41.39 | omniter | what the hell! |
| 21:41.40 | omniter | :( |
| 21:41.51 | omniter | sticks smtms in a fridge |
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| 21:43.38 | omniter | why would you say that :( |
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| 21:45.27 | kblin | oh, come on kids, be nice ;) |
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| 21:47.41 | paris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.18 | Revolution | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 21:49.15 | kblin | ack |
| 21:49.25 | kblin | raw: please don't do that again |
| 21:49.42 | kblin | sighs |
| 21:49.55 | Guest90219 | hi |
| 21:50.16 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b *!?=se@61.19.*] by kblin |
| 21:50.54 | Ownatik | damn |
| 21:51.02 | Ownatik | that guy was a pro flooder |
| 21:51.28 | *** kick/#gsoc [rambo4!n=dave@atlas.natulte.net] by danderson (Get out, and never return.) |
| 21:51.55 | danderson | kblin: I'm assuming you banned him? |
| 21:51.59 | danderson | oh, no, you didn't |
| 21:52.00 | kblin | no |
| 21:52.06 | kblin | I banned "paris" |
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| 21:52.11 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b *!*=Revoluti@*.bb.sky.com] by danderson |
| 21:52.14 | danderson | but I just did. |
| 21:52.20 | danderson | I have no tolerance for that kind of crap. |
| 21:52.28 | *** kick/#gsoc [Revolution!n=dave@atlas.natulte.net] by danderson (danderson) |
| 21:52.37 | kblin | fair enough |
| 21:53.53 | kblin | I'm afraid I won't be around much on monday, but there should be enough people to keep the peace anyway |
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| 21:54.43 | Ownatik | is the announcement made a exactly 12 am UTC on monday or there'e a specific time? |
| 21:54.59 | Ownatik | at* |
| 21:55.10 | kblin | Ownatik: check the !timeline |
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| 21:55.44 | kblin | crap |
| 21:55.45 | Corsix | 19:00 UTC |
| 21:55.55 | Ownatik | ok |
| 21:55.59 | Guest97387 | Timer 100 0 /msg #gsoc fuck off |
| 21:56.06 | Ownatik | so 17:00 my time |
| 21:56.07 | Ownatik | great |
| 21:56.16 | Guest97387 | Fuck off |
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| 21:56.23 | Ownatik | OMG |
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| 21:56.47 | kblin | banlist full |
| 21:56.55 | kblin | crap |
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| 21:57.06 | danderson | old stuff can go. |
| 21:57.08 | kblin | thanks |
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| 21:59.10 | danderson | I suggest watching for the next 5min or so, in case that's a dynamic IP and the fucktard feels like power cycling his modem to get another IP. |
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| 22:00.00 | Eva- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.13 | *** mode/#gsoc [+b *!*@61.19.244.134] by danderson |
| 22:00.13 | kblin | man |
| 22:00.38 | danderson | Should be okay now. I'll prune the banlist a little more |
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| 22:01.18 | p_l | In times like that I wish I was less law abiding... |
| 22:01.59 | p_l | wishes for workign abuse@<isp domain> mails |
| 22:02.06 | danderson | meh |
| 22:02.09 | danderson | you really don't |
| 22:02.13 | kblin | I just wish for http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20021103 |
| 22:02.35 | danderson | indeed |
| 22:02.39 | p_l | danderson: Why not? not necessarily as such well known thing, maybe... |
| 22:03.01 | danderson | p_l: it's just discouraging work |
| 22:03.24 | danderson | aside from sensible reports from competent admins, you also see all the crap sent by random insane people |
| 22:03.49 | p_l | danderson: That's why "not as such well known thing". A sysadmin cabal would be nice thing... |
| 22:04.28 | kblin | I've got a dutch webhoster who's server farm is hitting my ssh server for a solid week now, those guys don't react to abuse@ either |
| 22:05.05 | kblin | but I'm slowly getting all of their subnets |
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| 22:06.37 | p_l | kblin: I suspect they don't have proper routing info posted anywhere (like the data about BGP routing)? |
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| 22:08.30 | danderson | kblin: start sending daily email |
| 22:08.42 | danderson | tune up to the point of threatening legal action |
| 22:09.00 | danderson | whether or not it's a justified legal action, that usually gets webhost's attention |
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| 22:09.10 | smtms | just phone them up |
| 22:09.10 | danderson | (this is from experience dealing with the more retarded hosts) |
| 22:09.20 | danderson | kblin: also, install denyhosts |
| 22:09.42 | danderson | configure it to ban after 3 failed login attempts, possibly whitelisting your own IPs to protect against epic fail |
| 22:10.04 | danderson | I get at least one email a day from denyhosts, telling me yet another IP was banned from my machine |
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| 22:10.59 | kblin | danderson: I do run denyhosts |
| 22:11.16 | kblin | danderson: and I had to turn of email notification some days ago |
| 22:12.10 | danderson | heh |
| 22:12.24 | danderson | I don't mind getting them, I just filter them out in gmail into a 'servers' label |
| 22:12.27 | danderson | along with logwatch emails |
| 22:12.39 | danderson | and once every couple of days I quickly unstack everything |
| 22:12.54 | kblin | http://stats.denyhosts.net/stats.html |
| 22:13.09 | kblin | danderson: I got every one of the peaks |
| 22:14.00 | danderson | hey, since when does denyhosts do stats? |
| 22:14.07 | danderson | I mean, an html stats page? |
| 22:14.25 | kblin | dunno, been a while |
| 22:14.48 | Ownatik | !timeline |
| 22:14.49 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:15.28 | danderson | oh, but these are global stats, for all denyhosts installations? |
| 22:15.46 | kblin | for all that send data to denyhosts.net |
| 22:15.55 | danderson | right |
| 22:16.14 | kblin | you can also get lists of hosts you probably want to deny from there |
| 22:16.35 | danderson | right. I never applied that, I'm content to let my local install take care of idiots |
| 22:16.45 | danderson | accounts are secure enough that they're unlikely to get in on 3 attempts |
| 22:17.03 | danderson | (or 1 attempt, for root - no passwd login allowed, so I just ban any attempts) |
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| 22:17.28 | kblin | I'm not too concerned |
| 22:17.56 | kblin | I don't allow password-based logins on that box |
| 22:18.01 | kblin | I'm just annoyed |
| 22:18.04 | danderson | heh |
| 22:18.14 | danderson | I learned long ago to let many things slide |
| 22:18.26 | danderson | or to take violent action to remove the origin of the problem :P |
| 22:18.48 | danderson | has a philosophy powered by the Big Lebowski and his friend Walter |
| 22:19.22 | Garuma | hehe |
| 22:19.26 | sanooj | used to divert all non-user accounts to a UMIX prompt |
| 22:20.02 | jeez__ | does anyone know if that issue with the mentoring orgs was solved ? |
| 22:20.15 | omniter | what issue |
| 22:20.33 | jeez__ | the one that "Urgent Message for Mentoring Orgs" is about :P |
| 22:20.47 | jeez__ | people were talking about it yesterday here, at the channel |
| 22:20.49 | sanooj | they could, if they were inclined, play the ICFP2006 game. but nobody was so inclined. it was all "who" and "wget mahrootkit". |
| 22:20.51 | omniter | ah... well i can't read it anyway :p |
| 22:21.05 | jeez__ | me neither :P |
| 22:21.15 | omniter | i'm scared now =\ |
| 22:22.05 | jeez__ | well, I'm not really aware of nothing but what people were talking here yesterday |
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| 22:22.50 | omniter | what were they talkin about |
| 22:22.59 | jeez__ | some misunderstanding with slot and mentor allocations ... |
| 22:23.14 | omniter | :| |
| 22:23.18 | omniter | yowzers |
| 22:23.38 | jeez__ | but I really don't know and they probably have solved it all :) |
| 22:24.08 | p_l | danderson: "aggressive security"? :D |
| 22:24.56 | danderson | yeah |
| 22:25.07 | danderson | 3 failed logins == banned for 30 months |
| 22:25.17 | danderson | 1 failed root login == banned for 300 months |
| 22:25.39 | Corsix | harsh |
| 22:25.44 | p_l | sanooj: it would be more devastating for them if the box wasn't x86 and used something like SAKURA/TOMOYO or SELinux to make permissions completely weird... and then leave them with compiler, wget and ed :> |
| 22:25.52 | danderson | people who get their machine rooted get no sympathy |
| 22:25.54 | p_l | (or better yet, without wget or http) |
| 22:26.04 | kblin | jeez__: I wouldn't worry too much |
| 22:26.20 | danderson | my friends are all sufficiently security conscious to not get screwed (or have even more strict security policies than me) |
| 22:26.25 | kblin | danderson: I'm wary of really long bans |
| 22:26.49 | danderson | why? Risk of banning yourself? |
| 22:26.51 | jeez__ | kblin: ok, if you say so :) |
| 22:26.54 | kblin | danderson: I keep getting IPs that are in some blacklist from my provider |
| 22:27.13 | danderson | I have a sufficient number of shell accounts on friends' machines to not be worried |
| 22:27.15 | p_l | I don't have anything that would warrant any real security work... but I keep Tomoyo around, just in case I want to make some server a real hell :> |
| 22:27.20 | kblin | I keep bitching at my provider, but they don't seem to know what I'm talking about |
| 22:27.26 | danderson | I have 4 or 5 whitelisted known access points to my server, if I need to |
| 22:27.35 | danderson | so I'm rather intolerant of the rest of the internet |
| 22:28.23 | sanooj | p_l: UMIX runs on a virtual machine that was hurdle #1 of ICFP 2006. it was plenty weird. ;) |
| 22:28.42 | p_l | sanooj: hehe |
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| 22:30.30 | p_l | I just plan to finally setup myself a really security-oriented linux installation... but judging by some currents nowadays, it would break so many things I'd have to make my own distro for it |
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| 23:03.17 | kpreid | [OT] sanooj: I'd just like to say that's a very neat gimmick (using umix) |
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| 23:56.14 | MatthewWilkes | Lamest email from a hosting provider EVER. |
| 23:56.35 | p_l | ? |
| 23:56.57 | MatthewWilkes | One half of the RAID 10 array on our primary mail server (and only mail account storage server) failed today. We're working to rebuild the array but the prospects are not promising at all. |
| 23:56.57 | MatthewWilkes | Also, the backup server responsible for the the primary server failed a few days ago, so we do _not_ have backups. |
| 23:57.08 | p_l | xD |
| 23:59.43 | MatthewWilkes | wtf is that? |
| 23:59.56 | icez | at least they're honest?:P |