| 00:00.29 | MatthewWilkes | They're incompetent |
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| 00:01.19 | deadbeef | hi everyone |
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| 00:20.39 | dampflames | !logs |
| 00:20.39 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 00:40.47 | disismt | Hi guys, the tax related documents, they go to my shipping address or to my contact address? |
| 00:40.58 | l0nwlf_ | socinfo: learn hello as hello |
| 00:40.59 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 00:41.08 | l0nwlf_ | !hello |
| 00:41.09 | socinfo | "hello" is hello |
| 00:42.08 | disismt | l0nwlf_, what are you doing up at 6am in the morning!! |
| 00:47.20 | l0nwlf_ | disismt: our lab exam today , so a night-out as usual |
| 00:47.45 | disismt | l0nwlf_, chi chi , a nightout for pracs??? |
| 00:48.08 | disismt | l0nwlf_, itna mat padho bhai :) |
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| 00:48.24 | l0nwlf_ | lol , it got converted to some other stuffs ;) |
| 00:49.17 | l0nwlf_ | so whats up , wait for results , less than 2 days :D |
| 00:49.27 | disismt | yup |
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| 00:56.18 | MatthewWilkes | bah, when will my housemates realise that just because their wireless is slow doesn't mean they should unplug the router |
| 00:56.41 | scorche | when you finally beat it into them? |
| 00:59.09 | ojwb | either lock the router in a cupboard, or lock your housemates in a cupboard |
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| 01:04.07 | thebolt | Morning |
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| 01:04.51 | thebolt | ojwb: the latter might have other advantages as well ;) |
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| 01:12.27 | MatthewWilkes | likes the was ojwb thinks |
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| 01:18.23 | milki | lol |
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| 01:22.40 | Lezard | Yo o/ |
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| 03:29.31 | Lezard | !next |
| 03:29.31 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 03:29.39 | Lezard | !timelin |
| 03:29.40 | socinfo | Error: "timelin" is not a valid command. |
| 03:29.40 | Lezard | !timeline |
| 03:29.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 03:33.42 | disismt | !results |
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| 03:35.57 | dukeleto | !bag_of_fifties |
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| 03:36.19 | Lezard | disismt only in about 39 hours to see the results |
| 03:36.19 | Lezard | xD |
| 03:36.30 | dukeleto | !beer |
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| 03:36.44 | Lezard | !botabuse |
| 03:36.44 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
| 03:37.08 | disismt | !snack |
| 03:37.08 | socinfo | Error: "snack" is not a valid command. |
| 03:37.31 | Lezard | play with the bot in query |
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| 03:38.40 | dukeleto | way to kill the mood |
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| 03:39.10 | Lezard | better me doing that than a channel op |
| 03:39.29 | nrp | i dont think that is the correct use of the word factoid |
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| 04:22.14 | the9a3eedi | its funny. whether or not I get accepted to GSoC determines whether or not I'd have to spend the entire summer in the opposite side of the world (from where I am now) |
| 04:22.25 | the9a3eedi | due to needing a work permit (which takes time to get) |
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| 05:56.38 | alpha_one_x86 | hello, I have little problem, I want become mentor under KDE for port ultracopier to KDE, But it say my: Please make sure there is no outstanding invite or request and be sure that you are not a Mentor already. |
| 05:56.45 | alpha_one_x86 | Can you help me? |
| 05:57.20 | ojwb | mentors should already be assigned |
| 05:57.34 | ojwb | so it would seem you are too late anyway |
| 05:58.55 | alpha_one_x86 | In the roles categorie I have no roles |
| 06:00.02 | alpha_one_x86 | I have do this query in january |
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| 06:01.25 | ojwb | january? |
| 06:02.12 | alpha_one_x86 | yes, I have do this query long time a go (I think because I don't understand the english very weel) |
| 06:02.33 | ojwb | anyway, if KDE are accepting a student for this project, they must already have a mentor assigned now |
| 06:02.52 | ojwb | if they aren't accepting a student, then there's not much point you signing up to be a mentor |
| 06:03.02 | Toba | mhm |
| 06:03.28 | ojwb | so while I'm not sure why you can't sign up, it doesn't actually seem useful for you to at this point |
| 06:04.57 | ojwb | but if you're getting an error, asking on #melange is probably the way to go |
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| 06:05.34 | alpha_one_x86 | oki thanks |
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| 06:13.00 | kblin | january? |
| 06:15.43 | alpha_one_x86 | yes, I thinks |
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| 06:20.18 | ojwb | hmm, what URL are you using? |
| 06:20.33 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/ is the 2009 site |
| 06:20.50 | ojwb | but wasn't up in january I think |
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| 06:23.09 | alpha_one_x86 | yes it's this site, I have going on it at the beging |
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| 06:26.17 | kblin | alpha_one_x86: did you talk to the kde admins? if you already applied but weren't approved for some reason, that could explain the error message you are seeing |
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| 06:28.29 | alpha_one_x86 | yes in mailing list |
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| 06:29.48 | kblin | alpha_one_x86: and they didn't see you on the list? |
| 06:30.23 | kblin | alpha_one_x86: I guess then you need to wake for one of the folks on #melange to wake up and check the database |
| 06:31.48 | alpha_one_x86 | Yes because I had a reply, I have talk on #melange channel but no reply |
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| 06:41.52 | kblin | alpha_one_x86: most melange devs are from europe and it's pretty early on a sunday morning |
| 06:42.33 | kblin | so either send a mail to the melange-soc mailing list or just wait a bit for them to come online |
| 06:42.35 | devvrat | !time |
| 06:42.36 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 06:43.21 | kblin | devvrat: I know it's pretty early because my alarm clock just fired a couple of minutes ago |
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| 06:44.59 | qiaoqian | !date |
| 06:45.00 | socinfo | Error: "date" is not a valid command. |
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| 06:45.14 | qiaoqian | !student |
| 06:45.15 | socinfo | Error: "student" is not a valid command. |
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| 06:46.31 | hotdog | man is gsoc deadline over? |
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| 06:46.54 | qiaoqian | !time |
| 06:46.55 | socinfo | "time" is http://tinyurl.com/dbxnmy |
| 06:47.05 | [_FireSoul_] | simply its over hotdog |
| 06:47.26 | hotdog | oh |
| 06:47.27 | [_FireSoul_] | april 20 th 1900 hrs UTC is when results will be out |
| 06:47.37 | kblin | !timeline |
| 06:47.38 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 06:47.42 | hotdog | man i missed it.. maybe next year |
| 06:47.42 | kblin | hotdog: ^^^ |
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| 06:48.23 | hotdog | was just surfing and saw it :) i was thinking... wow this is a great opportunity.. |
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| 06:49.03 | hotdog | boy am i late :) |
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| 06:51.37 | relix | excitement!ù |
| 06:51.39 | relix | one day left |
| 06:51.40 | relix | gah |
| 06:51.59 | skbohra | hotdog: you are just a bit early for next year |
| 06:52.05 | qiaoqian | Is thap happy @:@ |
| 06:52.52 | qiaoqian | skbohra: Don't be that kidding :O( |
| 06:53.51 | skbohra | qiaoqian: I am not kidding, it's a great thing that he can start early, hence increase chances for next year |
| 06:54.09 | skbohra | thinks so |
| 06:54.16 | hotdog | skbohra: that makes me optimistic |
| 06:54.32 | qiaoqian | skbohra: Why? The result is out of horizon now. |
| 06:55.11 | dqminh | you can still contribute even if its not GSOC ;) |
| 06:55.46 | qiaoqian | dqminh: yes, It's not the only chance. |
| 06:56.13 | skbohra | qiaqian: isn't it better to work for OSS without gsoc and hence increase chances to be paid if selected for gsoc next year |
| 06:56.28 | lut4rp | skbohra, +1 |
| 06:56.32 | lut4rp | its always good. |
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| 06:56.37 | hotdog | wait you get paid? |
| 06:56.44 | Landon | yes! |
| 06:56.47 | lut4rp | hotdog, err. |
| 06:56.53 | skbohra | hotdog: ofcourse |
| 06:56.54 | hotdog | i wanted to do this for free.. |
| 06:56.58 | lut4rp | hotdog, you should really read the full FAQ |
| 06:56.59 | skbohra | cool |
| 06:57.01 | lut4rp | :) |
| 06:57.01 | Landon | hotdog: you can still do it for free |
| 06:57.03 | Landon | :P |
| 06:57.05 | hotdog | lol |
| 06:57.06 | hotdog | no way |
| 06:57.10 | hotdog | im getting paid now.. |
| 06:57.14 | hotdog | :) |
| 06:57.15 | qiaoqian | skbohra: Obviously better. |
| 06:57.22 | hotdog | gonna read the faq |
| 06:57.35 | skbohra | hotdog: I think then you missed nothing |
| 06:58.08 | Landon | hotdog: and a tshirt |
| 06:58.20 | lut4rp | !faq |
| 06:58.20 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 06:58.26 | lut4rp | hotdog, ^ here's the link |
| 06:58.45 | hotdog | thx |
| 06:58.57 | qiaoqian | LOOKING FORWORDING >>>>>>>>>> |
| 06:59.51 | qiaoqian | @:@ |
| 07:00.21 | r0bby | o/ |
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| 07:01.10 | qiaoqian | No need to be that nevous |
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| 07:01.25 | lut4rp | \O |
| 07:01.28 | makmanalp | !next |
| 07:01.29 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 07:09.05 | anirudhs | skbohra around ? |
| 07:09.19 | skbohra | anirudhs: yo |
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| 07:49.21 | flyankur | #gsoc logs/archive URL any one ? |
| 07:49.32 | dhaun | !logs |
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| 08:38.53 | quyetnd | !logs |
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| 09:14.07 | quyetnd | Hi everyone, |
| 09:14.23 | rkatiyar | hello |
| 09:14.26 | quyetnd | I have a question about the gsoc profile: |
| 09:15.01 | quyetnd | how can I recover my gsoc profile after messed up with my google account :( |
| 09:15.56 | ojwb | ask on #melange |
| 09:16.02 | disismt | wow |
| 09:16.30 | skbohra | you forgot your google account details? |
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| 09:16.51 | quyetnd | at first, I used quyetnd@nextgsolutions.com (not a gmail) to register a google account (and then use it to register gsoc profile) |
| 09:17.20 | thiago_home | has two like those |
| 09:17.20 | quyetnd | after that, I created a gmail account without log out from my account |
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| 09:17.35 | ojwb | yes, it's an appengine issue apparently |
| 09:17.37 | ojwb | ask on #melange |
| 09:17.46 | skbohra | too using same sort of a/c |
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| 09:17.58 | ojwb | they are the ones who can fix it |
| 09:18.51 | gangil | !next |
| 09:18.52 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 09:20.09 | quyetnd | <ojwb> thank for the info, I'm going to #melange |
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| 09:42.17 | marinosi | !timeline |
| 09:42.18 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 09:43.47 | Anixx | :) |
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| 09:44.57 | dineshyadav | #gsoc-python |
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| 09:57.44 | socinfo | Error: "results" is not a valid command. |
| 09:57.56 | vnkatesh | !help |
| 09:57.57 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
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| 09:58.47 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 10:01.12 | vnkatesh | !advice |
| 10:01.13 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 10:02.59 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
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| 10:39.03 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 10:39.28 | HanzZ | !timeline |
| 10:39.28 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 10:41.42 | kblin | hey SRabbelier |
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| 10:42.24 | SRabbelier | kblin: hey! :) |
| 10:42.29 | SRabbelier | kblin: thanks for your post on the mentors list |
| 10:43.24 | kblin | I don't remember posting anything there recently :) |
| 10:43.46 | kblin | sure you don't mean Tim? |
| 10:43.46 | thebolt | hi kblin , SRabbelier |
| 10:43.50 | kblin | hi thebolt |
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| 10:44.20 | SRabbelier | kblin: crap |
| 10:44.20 | kblin | thebolt: how's life on your side of the planet? |
| 10:44.22 | SRabbelier | kbk:( |
| 10:44.27 | gitte | SRabbelier: I think you meant mithro's post. It was very insightful. |
| 10:44.33 | SRabbelier | kblin: I don't know why I swap you two all the time :P |
| 10:44.41 | SRabbelier | gitte: yeah, fraid that's the one |
| 10:45.06 | gitte | Also I have _no clue_ why the other guy said that there is a "cult of non-criticisability" just because people point out that Melange stuff goes to the Melange mailing list. |
| 10:45.23 | kblin | ah, dunno |
| 10:45.23 | SRabbelier | gitte: Lol, because people are still people even if they are mentors |
| 10:45.29 | gitte | I mean, if I am dumb, I at least _try_ to avoid blurting that out that publically. |
| 10:45.31 | SRabbelier | gitte: they feel stepped on their toes |
| 10:45.38 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 10:45.41 | SRabbelier | gitte: lol :P |
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| 10:45.45 | disismt | Hi, where will the tax related documents be sent? to the shipping address or the contact address? |
| 10:46.11 | SRabbelier | disismt: That's an excelent question which will be answered on the student ML |
| 10:46.17 | kblin | disismt: dunno, mine have always be identical |
| 10:46.30 | gitte | disismt: I would _assume_ the contact address. |
| 10:46.31 | kblin | but I think it's a bit early to worry about that |
| 10:46.55 | disismt | SRabbelier, ML? what's that? |
| 10:47.00 | SRabbelier | disismt: mailing list |
| 10:47.03 | disismt | ok |
| 10:47.08 | SRabbelier | disismt: you'll be subscribed to it if you're accepted |
| 10:47.12 | SRabbelier | disismt: so until then, relax :) |
| 10:47.13 | thebolt | kblin: terribly busy.. homeworks and midterms.. |
| 10:47.13 | disismt | ok |
| 10:47.17 | disismt | :) |
| 10:47.24 | thebolt | kblin: esp as i will be study-free next weekend i need to be a bit ahead |
| 10:47.34 | thebolt | kblin: and your end? |
| 10:47.44 | kblin | SRabbelier: but I agree with carldani that personal attacks in both directions don't help |
| 10:47.45 | gitte | SRabbelier: besides, I really have to say that cloning your Melange.git together with the description how to start it on the Wiki makes it a breeze to get hacking. |
| 10:48.32 | gitte | kblin: but you have to give an overworked developer of Melange, who is sick and tired having to repeat himself, some slack. |
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| 10:48.47 | SRabbelier | gitte: thanks :) |
| 10:48.48 | gitte | kblin: they _have_ been annoyed to a certain point where I understand the reaction. |
| 10:48.59 | kblin | thebolt: well, busy as well |
| 10:49.15 | SRabbelier | kblin: that's true, personal attacks are never helpful |
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| 10:49.55 | gitte | kblin: besides, I am _always_ more forgiving to those who work more and talk less than the others ;-) |
| 10:50.18 | kblin | gitte: that's why always waiting 10 minutes after reading an email like that before replying is a really good idea |
| 10:50.20 | gitte | should have added "work more to my own benefits" ;-) |
| 10:50.31 | SRabbelier | gitte: you have to, that's why we all forgive you for being a grumpy guy :P *ducks* |
| 10:50.50 | gitte | kblin: oh, when it is an ad-hominem attack, I have something even better. The nice and cozy "Delete" button *grins* |
| 10:51.00 | SRabbelier | kblin: I did actually, that's the sad part; I waited like an hour and wasn't going to reply :P |
| 10:51.06 | gitte | SRabbelier: lol! |
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| 10:51.16 | thebolt | kblin: three day week next week ;) |
| 10:51.32 | gitte | thebolt: Sunday, Sunday and Sunday? |
| 10:52.00 | kblin | gitte: but you're used to the git community, which is closely linked to the kernel "community", and that's not quite my example on how to behave in inter-personal communication |
| 10:52.23 | thebolt | gitte: hehe, nah.. monday-wednesday.. then i am going traveling for the rest of the week |
| 10:52.29 | kblin | gitte: so I guess you just read emails differently than people used to nice and cozy lists |
| 10:52.33 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol, this is true :P |
| 10:52.36 | gitte | kblin: we're all geeks. That means we're all awkward when it comes to communication, if it does not involve low-level IP. |
| 10:53.09 | kblin | thebolt: one-day week for me, I'm on a conference starting tuesday |
| 10:53.11 | SRabbelier | kblin: the samba list is nice and cozy? |
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| 10:53.25 | kblin | SRabbelier: the team list is, most of the time |
| 10:53.30 | thebolt | kblin: nice :) |
| 10:53.44 | thebolt | my trip is more of a .. social, kind ;) |
| 10:53.53 | SRabbelier | kblin: we try to keep the melange-soc{-dev} list the same way, no? |
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| 10:55.13 | kblin | SRabbelier: probably because most of your users aren't on it ;) |
| 10:55.24 | kblin | SRabbelier: not saying that that's a bad thing per se |
| 10:55.27 | SRabbelier | kblin: they should be |
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| 10:56.05 | SRabbelier | kblin: you don't think it's lame that people complain on list A about product B? |
| 10:56.23 | kblin | SRabbelier: I agree with gitte though, mentors are running open source projects themselves, they should know better |
| 10:56.48 | kblin | SRabbelier: dunno. I see lots of complaints about windows on samba-technical |
| 10:56.48 | gitte | found the signal to noise ratio of the mentor list to be less than desired. |
| 10:56.51 | SRabbelier | kblin: right, that's why I sent my reply |
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| 10:57.06 | SRabbelier | kblin: because I felt people were not taking their responsibility |
| 10:57.30 | SRabbelier | kblin: they were whining like 5yr olds about things not working like they wanted it as an excuse to why they couldn't get their stuff together |
| 10:57.34 | gitte | kblin: and surely you agree that this whining -- even after people pointed out what the proper course of action would have been -- was nothing but childish. Not worthy of a mentor. |
| 10:57.52 | kblin | I agree |
| 10:58.18 | kblin | but I still think one could have made that point a bit more politely |
| 10:58.42 | gitte | kblin: but the first replies _were_ polite! |
| 10:59.07 | kblin | the way I handle this is by cursing loudly in front of my computer and then writing a polite email |
| 10:59.22 | gitte | kblin: but what if 3 polite mails don't do the job? |
| 10:59.33 | thebolt | kblin: i have a bit hard time seeing you curse loudly ;) |
| 10:59.37 | SRabbelier | kblin: which one do you mean specifcally as not plite? |
| 10:59.47 | SRabbelier | thebolt: you have no idea :P |
| 10:59.57 | kblin | thebolt: ask my girlfriend about it :) |
| 11:00.00 | SRabbelier | thebolt: better run if kblin starts cursing :P |
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| 11:00.10 | thebolt | SRabbelier: :) |
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| 11:00.13 | gitte | kblin: personally, I am enough driven by testosterone (you know, the thing that makes men do good for the group even if it means a broken nose afterwards) to increase the directness of my replies. |
| 11:00.44 | kblin | gitte: yeah, I know.. we've had our brushes on the list :) |
| 11:00.55 | gitte | I remember. |
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| 11:01.02 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 11:01.16 | gitte | kblin: but actually, we had a good "let's be friends" over some beers, didn't we? |
| 11:01.25 | SRabbelier | gitte: beers are good :) |
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| 11:01.35 | kblin | but I think that if three polite emails don't help, people are just clue-resistant |
| 11:01.56 | SRabbelier | kblin: they are |
| 11:01.58 | SRabbelier | kblin: for sure |
| 11:02.04 | SRabbelier | kblin: so what would you do to hit them over the head? |
| 11:02.05 | kblin | gitte: sure. it's much easier to get along with people if you know them in person |
| 11:02.31 | gitte | kblin: if several people send me clue-bats in private, I do get the message, occasionally ;-) |
| 11:02.41 | gitte | kblin: knowing in person: priceless. |
| 11:02.53 | gitte | kblin: that's what is really the very best part about the summits. |
| 11:03.04 | antarus | so from this conversation I gather I should not lick on my mentor list label in gmail and just ignore it like usual? :p |
| 11:03.05 | kblin | SRabbelier: I'd just leave it be |
| 11:03.09 | SRabbelier | gitte: agreed very mcuh so :) |
| 11:03.11 | antarus | s/lick/click/ |
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| 11:03.17 | SRabbelier | antarus: correct :P |
| 11:03.20 | antarus | ibot: thanks dear |
| 11:03.20 | ibot | antarus: gern geschehen |
| 11:03.29 | SRabbelier | rolls |
| 11:03.34 | SRabbelier | lol @ ibot |
| 11:03.46 | antarus | ibot: I don't speaka the german |
| 11:03.47 | ibot | You don't speaka the german? |
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| 11:04.01 | antarus | man it is way too late at night for this kind of fun |
| 11:04.04 | gitte | giggles madly! |
| 11:04.06 | SRabbelier | lol :P |
| 11:04.08 | kblin | gitte: full ack |
| 11:04.22 | gitte | Who wrote that funny Eliza thingie? |
| 11:04.48 | kblin | Tim Riker, I guess |
| 11:04.52 | kblin | whoever that is :) |
| 11:04.59 | kblin | is too lazy to google |
| 11:05.11 | gitte | kblin: thanks for the clue bat. |
| 11:05.20 | gitte | just remembered the /whois command |
| 11:05.31 | SRabbelier | gitte: for shame! |
| 11:05.42 | kblin | bows |
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| 11:07.39 | gitte | kblin: BTW no need to search, just assume that the domain has a web server, too. |
| 11:08.39 | qiaoqian | GTG for supper @:@ |
| 11:08.48 | kblin | yeah, even too lazy for that |
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| 11:08.58 | kblin | or rather, not curious enough |
| 11:09.10 | kblin | !logs |
| 11:09.11 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 11:09.15 | z3r0 | !next |
| 11:09.15 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
| 11:09.22 | kblin | I pretty much think that domain has a web server |
| 11:09.24 | kblin | :) |
| 11:10.24 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol :) |
| 11:10.58 | qiaoqian | What you guys doing ,Aha, HELLO,everyone |
| 11:11.17 | qiaoqian | @:@ |
| 11:11.33 | kblin | didn't you just say you were off to supper? |
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| 11:11.47 | qiaoqian | not to much time to care the result |
| 11:12.03 | qiaoqian | SUPPER |
| 11:12.25 | gitte | just found the link to http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:22.59 | kblin | gitte: but getting back to something you said before, it indeed is easy to get started with hacking on melange. |
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| 11:23.15 | gitte | kblin: isn't it? |
| 11:23.18 | gitte | I was _amazed_. |
| 11:23.53 | kblin | I don't really like web development, and django is weird in a different way than the other platform I'm used to, but SRabbelier has been _very_ helpful and patient in helping |
| 11:24.42 | kblin | so I basically agree with mithro. you don't get to bitch before you sent a patch :) |
| 11:24.50 | SRabbelier | kblin: thanks :), I try |
| 11:25.03 | gitte | just needs time... |
| 11:25.12 | SRabbelier | gitte: we all do :) |
| 11:25.27 | gitte | (And gitte is not going to give up chatting to friends on IRC to get more time... ;-) |
| 11:25.39 | SRabbelier | gitte: you shouldn't :D |
| 11:25.58 | kblin | gitte: that wouldn't help much anyway |
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| 11:26.29 | gitte | kblin: heh... |
| 11:26.53 | kblin | seriously, if I turn off IRC to get more time, I just waste it on something else |
| 11:27.05 | gitte | Right. |
| 11:27.33 | SRabbelier | kblin: true, usually one wastes time on irc or such to replenish the creativity pool :P |
| 11:27.34 | gitte | will waste some time to run, 7 miles out in the sun |
| 11:27.59 | SRabbelier | gitte: good for you! |
| 11:29.10 | gangil | !results |
| 11:29.11 | socinfo | Error: "results" is not a valid command. |
| 11:29.27 | gangil | !result |
| 11:29.28 | socinfo | Error: "result" is not a valid command. |
| 11:30.56 | gangil | !help |
| 11:30.57 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 11:31.29 | gangil | !botabuse |
| 11:31.30 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 11:37.26 | lcuk | i wonder if socinfo bot has a grue lurking deep within its neural pathways |
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| 11:40.11 | kblin | lcuk: you can try and venture there. if your face gets eaten, socinfo has a grue |
| 11:40.31 | lcuk | thanks for the hint. :| |
| 11:40.42 | lcuk | would prefer prior warning |
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| 11:46.13 | ojwb | Warning: You are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| 11:47.33 | patri | At what time (UTC) will the results be announced |
| 11:48.06 | ojwb | !next |
| 11:48.06 | socinfo | "next" is Check for comments on your proposal. Talk to your org. Accepted students announced on 20 April. Don't expect this message to change before 20th! |
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| 11:48.14 | ojwb | hmm, I thought that said |
| 11:48.35 | ojwb | patri: check the timeline |
| 11:49.02 | ojwb | and let us know so someone can update that! |
| 11:49.08 | patri | !timeline |
| 11:49.08 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 11:52.31 | EnderMB | 12:00PM PST (GMT-7) |
| 11:52.51 | ajhais | !logs |
| 11:52.52 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 11:53.11 | ojwb | um, so 19:00 UTC? |
| 11:53.12 | kblin | ~19:00 UTC |
| 11:53.15 | patri | 12:30 am IST |
| 11:53.15 | EnderMB | Yep |
| 11:53.29 | ojwb | 12PM always seems unclear to me |
| 11:53.30 | kblin | but it's been late, traditionally |
| 11:53.51 | kblin | ojwb: that AM/PM stuff is confusing |
| 11:54.24 | ojwb | 12 noon and 12 midnight are unambiguous |
| 11:54.33 | ojwb | socinfo: forget next |
| 11:54.33 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 11:55.15 | ojwb | socinfo: learn next as Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST |
| 11:55.16 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 11:55.28 | kblin | then again, so far this year has been different and amazingly on time |
| 11:55.47 | kblin | like the accepted orgs were even announced early |
| 11:56.06 | ojwb | except for the org deadline extension due to timezone confusion in the calendar |
| 11:56.32 | kblin | hm? |
| 11:56.36 | ojwb | but I think that was the right thing to do (and I'd applied in plenty of time) |
| 11:57.00 | ojwb | the google calendar had the org deadline later by a few hours due to timezone issues |
| 11:57.24 | ojwb | so it was extended to the time the calendar reported |
| 11:57.37 | kblin | the application deadline? |
| 11:57.46 | ojwb | for organisations |
| 11:57.58 | kblin | yeah |
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| 11:58.07 | kblin | I didn't notice |
| 11:58.16 | kblin | I sent my apps with some days to spare |
| 11:58.20 | ojwb | slept through it |
| 11:58.51 | ajuonline | http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 11:59.09 | kblin | I figured as the list was going to shrink from 175 to 150, I wouldn't want to apply late |
| 11:59.22 | ajuonline | socinfo: learn next as Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 11:59.22 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 11:59.52 | ojwb | !next |
| 11:59.52 | socinfo | "next" is (#1) Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST, or (#2) Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 12:00.01 | ajuonline | ouch |
| 12:00.01 | ojwb | you need to forget the old one first... |
| 12:00.08 | ajuonline | socinfo: forget next |
| 12:00.08 | socinfo | Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 12:00.13 | ajuonline | socinfo: forget next * |
| 12:00.13 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 12:00.18 | ajuonline | socinfo: learn next as Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 12:00.18 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 12:00.23 | ojwb | or forget next 1 |
| 12:00.29 | ojwb | I think |
| 12:00.33 | kblin | yeah |
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| 12:01.28 | kblin | ack |
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| 12:07.33 | PearlJam | !timeline |
| 12:07.33 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 12:17.03 | dennda | Where would I ask questions concerning google calendar? There's one calendar I just cannot delete |
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| 12:19.05 | SRabbelier | dennda: that's right, there's one calendar (your own) that you cannot delete |
| 12:20.02 | dennda | SRabbelier: Can I change which calendar the primary calendar is? |
| 12:20.06 | dennda | or at least rename it? |
| 12:20.32 | dennda | SRabbelier: because there's other calendars of mine in that list and the one I cannot delete is a) obsolete, b) empty and c) has a stupid name |
| 12:21.16 | dennda | ah renaming seems possible |
| 12:21.17 | SRabbelier | dennda: you can change it's name by clicking the arrow to the right of it and then "calendar settings" |
| 12:21.56 | dennda | ok well, i will just transfer all entries from a deletable calendar to this one and delete the other one... |
| 12:22.39 | SRabbelier | dennda: sounds like a plan |
| 12:23.12 | dennda | SRabbelier: thanks |
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| 12:24.30 | kblin | I'm still amazed how an empty calendar can be obsolete |
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| 12:27.37 | rajan | !timeline |
| 12:27.37 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 12:53.51 | ojwb | !next |
| 12:53.51 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 12:53.51 | smtms | kenny8706, about 19:00 UTC on Monday |
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| 12:55.01 | kenny8706 | Thank you! |
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| 13:17.42 | gitte | wonders why the GSoC mentor mailing list is the most spammy list I am subscribed, by far. |
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| 13:18.14 | thebolt | gitte: do like me.. read it online every now and then :P |
| 13:18.39 | gitte | thebolt: it is supposed to give me valuable information. |
| 13:19.04 | Mek | gitte: if you think the mentor list is spammy, you haven't been on the students list yet :) |
| 13:19.06 | gitte | thebolt: I am tempted to suggest not allowing anybody to post to it except for Leslie. |
| 13:19.14 | gitte | Mek: right you are. |
| 13:19.43 | thebolt | gitte: well, there is gsoc-announce for that |
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| 13:19.52 | thebolt | that is leslie only (iirc) |
| 13:20.23 | SRabbelier | gitte: perhaps it's time to make it moderated |
| 13:20.43 | gitte | SRabbelier: I would not be opposed to that. |
| 13:20.52 | ojwb | is wondering how many more "just one more" posts this current thread will get |
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| 13:21.18 | SRabbelier | ojwb: Perhaps until every mentor has received 10 private mails saying "please let it die now"? |
| 13:21.22 | gitte | ojwb: hopefully zilch. |
| 13:21.37 | gitte | SRabbelier: well, I tried that. |
| 13:21.43 | ojwb | hasn't had one yet |
| 13:21.51 | gitte | SRabbelier: and the guy just took my reply to the public list! What and a... |
| 13:22.06 | SRabbelier | ojwb: that's because you didn't contribute to it? :P |
| 13:22.06 | atulagrwl | thought only students list is spammed :) |
| 13:22.12 | ojwb | yet... |
| 13:22.14 | SRabbelier | atulagrwl: I wish, so much |
| 13:22.20 | SRabbelier | gitte: it's amazing |
| 13:22.25 | SRabbelier | ojwb: don't you dare :P |
| 13:22.36 | gitte | ojwb: where do you live? :-) |
| 13:22.52 | ojwb | a long way from you |
| 13:23.00 | ojwb | a long way from almost everyone! |
| 13:23.02 | ojwb | new zealand |
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| 13:23.10 | SRabbelier | and yet another one! |
| 13:23.10 | SRabbelier | WOOH! |
| 13:23.11 | gitte | ojwb: pity. I would like to stop you from replying. Physically. :-) |
| 13:23.17 | thebolt | ojwb: not too far from here.. almost same timezone |
| 13:23.18 | SRabbelier | I'm gonna have a drink each time some-one replies |
| 13:23.33 | SRabbelier | I think I'll be slammed before the day is over! |
| 13:23.43 | SRabbelier | pities that he doesn't drink |
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| 13:23.47 | atulagrwl | private student list is idle now but once the new students are subscribed to it.. it becomes havoc and new mail every minute introducing them and sharing their experience in new thread |
| 13:23.50 | gitte | "It could make sense to have a wiki page editable by Melange users..." |
| 13:23.50 | SRabbelier | it would make for so much more fun in these ocasions |
| 13:23.52 | gitte | WTF? |
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| 13:23.59 | gitte | What is the _issue tracker_ for? |
| 13:24.05 | ojwb | god, 3 mote |
| 13:24.06 | ojwb | more |
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| 13:24.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: mhhh? what was that for? |
| 13:24.23 | kblin | SRabbelier: advertising |
| 13:24.36 | kblin | just didn't look into IRC too long |
| 13:24.47 | SRabbelier | kblin: ah, right, I did see him, but I didn't catch his ip. |
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| 13:25.24 | thebolt | ojwb: or well, just four timezones off ;) |
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| 13:25.50 | gitte | ojwb: but then, I could send mugwump to do the job :-P |
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| 13:26.43 | SRabbelier | gitte: oh for sure! |
| 13:26.46 | kblin | gitte: there's a good trick I learned on the students list |
| 13:26.55 | gitte | kblin: what's that? |
| 13:27.16 | kblin | if you're pissed about the s/n ratio, ignore/delete all emails not sent from an @google.com address |
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| 13:27.43 | gitte | kblin: heh, you mean _me_, dontya? |
| 13:27.58 | gitte | kblin: I guess I deserved that. |
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| 13:28.51 | kblin | gitte: no, I meant intead of requiring someone to take the time and moderate the list |
| 13:29.15 | kblin | gitte: it's fast to set up a filter, it's time consuming to moderate a list |
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| 13:29.27 | devvrat | !stats |
| 13:29.27 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 13:29.28 | ojwb | hmm, except leslie uses at least a couple of gmail addresses |
| 13:29.33 | kblin | especially as you need LH to do it |
| 13:29.37 | gitte | kblin: that is correct, but there _is_ the occasional good mail. |
| 13:29.40 | kblin | she does? |
| 13:29.47 | kblin | gitte: well, there's that |
| 13:29.59 | ojwb | mebelh and lhospo IIRC |
| 13:30.02 | kblin | gitte: so if you got lots of time, check the web interface |
| 13:30.12 | SRabbelier | ojwb: correct |
| 13:30.12 | gitte | kblin: for example, there should have been _exactly one_ mail telling admins not to leave mentor assignments "pending". |
| 13:30.35 | gitte | ojwb: not belhmyfriend? |
| 13:31.22 | SRabbelier | ojwb: hehe, no, that's an imporster! |
| 13:31.24 | SRabbelier | **imposter |
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| 13:31.35 | kblin | ojwb: hm, good point. then you need to use a whitelist :) |
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| 13:31.55 | ojwb | or perhaps a blacklist |
| 13:32.04 | gitte | ojwb: indeed, I was tempted to resurrect a killfile |
| 13:32.08 | ojwb | it's actually a pretty small number of people generating most of the traffic |
| 13:32.09 | kblin | hehe |
| 13:33.16 | ojwb | at least we don't have 1000+ mentors introducing themselves so far |
| 13:33.20 | kblin | true |
| 13:33.55 | kblin | but "slightly less bad than the student list" isn't that much of a compliment ;) |
| 13:34.02 | SRabbelier | ojwb: thank god that thread got killed before it started |
| 13:34.27 | ojwb | just about |
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| 13:36.46 | kblin | qiaoqian: if you just want to chat, you can do this in here, no need to query me |
| 13:37.06 | qiaoqian | kblin: I know |
| 13:37.47 | qiaoqian | kblin: What ya talking about then , the out time? |
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| 13:39.31 | qiaoqian | What we have to do is just keep hacking ... @:@ |
| 13:40.42 | qiaoqian | kblin:Why I query you,because I want one buddy to reply me @:@ |
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| 13:42.02 | kblin | we're talking about the stuff that shouldn't be going on the mentors list right now |
| 13:42.56 | qiaoqian | Tanks, I have to leave now ,for the library is to be closed. |
| 13:43.07 | ojwb | hide in the shelves! |
| 13:43.19 | qiaoqian | bye kblin, bye all guys. @:@ |
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| 14:03.13 | sandy|lurk | lh: hi, are you around? we have another proposal switch we would like to do. Is that still possible? |
| 14:03.44 | sandy|lurk | lh: apparently there was a pretty big miscommunication with some of our mentors, and I'm concerned that if we accept this student we'll be putting him in a very unsupportive environment |
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| 14:06.39 | kblin | sandy|lurk: it's still a bit early in lh-land, I think |
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| 14:06.50 | sandy|lurk | kblin: I know, I dwell in the same time zone :-) |
| 14:06.52 | ojwb | unless she's still at that conference |
| 14:07.02 | ojwb | which i think was east US |
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| 14:07.22 | sandy|lurk | maybe I'd be better off emailing the list then |
| 14:07.50 | ojwb | or lh directly perhaps |
| 14:08.05 | ojwb | you could try making the switch and see if there's a conflict |
| 14:08.10 | Michelangelo | !logs |
| 14:08.10 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 14:08.13 | ojwb | if there is, I doubt it's going to be possible now |
| 14:08.28 | ojwb | or at least not that particular switch |
| 14:08.54 | sandy|lurk | ojwb: I won't know if there's a conflict unless somebody runs the dupe logic |
| 14:09.00 | sandy|lurk | so I have to coordinate this |
| 14:09.14 | ojwb | ah yes |
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| 14:09.45 | ojwb | one of the melange team may be able to help I guess |
| 14:09.45 | Ivanovic | sandy|lurk: i'd say mail leslie about this |
| 14:09.57 | Ivanovic | since she will see the mail as soon as she is up |
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| 14:10.27 | ojwb | and the details of the issue probably aren't something for the mentors list |
| 14:10.59 | sandy|lurk | good point |
| 14:11.04 | gitte | ojwb: what? You mean there is _anything_ that is uninteresting to the mentor list? *rollseyes* |
| 14:11.20 | ojwb | I didn't say they weren't interesting! |
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| 14:11.36 | gitte | ojwb: just teasin' |
| 14:12.03 | ojwb | but I do wish people would think "do I want to set the progress of FOSS back by N man hours" before posting |
| 14:12.59 | gitte | ojwb: yes, I like that approach! |
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| 14:15.12 | ojwb | is suddenly reminded of Pnews |
| 14:15.15 | ojwb | "This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire |
| 14:15.15 | ojwb | civilized world. Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of |
| 14:15.15 | ojwb | dollars to send everywhere. Please be sure you know what you are doing." |
| 14:16.10 | ojwb | and less than 20 years later, we have streamed video of cats being amusing |
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| 14:16.34 | sandy|lurk | thanks you folks, I sent lh an email |
| 14:16.53 | ojwb | sandy|lurk: good luck! |
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| 14:20.47 | tele | !next |
| 14:20.48 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
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| 14:21.27 | hkpco | hi guys. |
| 14:21.29 | pavelo | didn't they say the message won't change till april 20th ? |
| 14:21.43 | ojwb | no, it said don't expect it to |
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| 14:21.52 | ojwb | FWIW, it's 20th here anyhow |
| 14:22.04 | pavelo | dang |
| 14:22.07 | gitte | ojwb: heh, good point. |
| 14:22.30 | tele | ojwb: where are you from? |
| 14:22.35 | ojwb | NZ |
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| 14:22.55 | pavelo | tomorrow? |
| 14:22.57 | tele | ojwb: huh. I am libing in 20th too |
| 14:23.02 | tele | :-) |
| 14:23.14 | rohananil | becomes curious about the message :P |
| 14:24.14 | carldani | 15:27 <@kblin> if you're pissed about the s/n ratio, ignore/delete all emails not sent from an @google.com address |
| 14:24.26 | carldani | wouldn't that blacklist lh as well? |
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| 14:24.38 | ojwb | carldani: I pointed that out |
| 14:24.50 | carldani | ojwb: sorry, still reading the backlog |
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| 14:26.21 | rohananil | !logs |
| 14:26.21 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 14:30.44 | r0bby | yawnss |
| 14:32.23 | r0bby | lh: ping see pm |
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| 14:34.20 | ajuonline | r0bby: ping see pm |
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| 14:37.13 | r0bby | :( |
| 14:37.42 | ajuonline | had fun yesterday? |
| 14:37.47 | r0bby | yeh |
| 14:37.48 | r0bby | cept i |
| 14:37.52 | r0bby | 'm missing my hoody! |
| 14:37.53 | r0bby | it |
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| 14:38.32 | r0bby | I know where it is, and it's safe |
| 14:38.39 | ajuonline | what is it? |
| 14:38.49 | jasebo | argh! mentors list is annoying |
| 14:40.33 | ajuonline | jasebo: yo! :P |
| 14:41.40 | jasebo | it's so annoying, I'm going to bed :-) |
| 14:42.10 | ajuonline | heh, :P |
| 14:42.26 | ajuonline | jasebo: that has two meanings :P |
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| 14:42.54 | jasebo | hmmm.. ok, it's so annoying, I'm closing my email program |
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| 14:45.19 | jasebo | is it 26 hours until 17:00 UTC? |
| 14:45.37 | PearlJam | !next |
| 14:45.38 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 14:45.43 | jasebo | or, better still 19:00 :D |
| 14:45.45 | jasebo | lol |
| 14:45.47 | PearlJam | jasebo: http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 14:46.10 | jasebo | I should have known one of those would be around somewhere! |
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| 14:46.43 | jasebo | thx PearlJa |
| 14:46.51 | PearlJam | np :) |
| 14:47.03 | ajuonline | jasebo: coming to come to India anytime soon? ;) |
| 14:47.14 | ajuonline | damn |
| 14:47.15 | ajuonline | planning* |
| 14:47.18 | jasebo | no plans at the moment |
| 14:47.28 | jasebo | would love to though |
| 14:48.00 | ajuonline | are you aware, if they actually used Sahana, for the fire there? |
| 14:48.19 | ajuonline | i read mails, of plans to use Sahana. |
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| 14:50.21 | jasebo | you mean in Melbourne? The bushfires? |
| 14:50.28 | ajuonline | yeah |
| 14:50.40 | jasebo | I haven't heard |
| 14:50.44 | jasebo | they could really use it though |
| 14:51.04 | ajuonline | i should check the list |
| 14:51.04 | jasebo | I helped out with IT immediately after the fires, and the organisation sucked |
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| 14:51.22 | jasebo | everyone worked really hard, people were great, but we were doing things like data-entry in excel spreadsheets |
| 14:51.38 | ajuonline | ah ok |
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| 14:51.48 | ajuonline | IBM did try to follow up |
| 14:51.55 | ajuonline | for Sahana deployment, |
| 14:52.36 | jasebo | I suggested using LimeSurvey just for dataentry.. if only because it would enable distributed online data entry |
| 14:52.49 | jasebo | rather than a bunch of people typing docs into excel spreadsheets |
| 14:53.08 | jasebo | then another bunch copying and pasting all the spreadsheets together! |
| 14:53.10 | jasebo | anyway |
| 14:53.16 | jasebo | that's another story for another time :-D |
| 14:54.03 | ajuonline | jasebo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanitarian-ict/message/3913 |
| 14:54.11 | ajuonline | thats what I was talking about |
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| 14:55.27 | ajuonline | they did not, but liked it, and might in the future. |
| 14:55.43 | ajuonline | since it was more of a crisis situation - |
| 14:55.45 | jasebo | well I'd support it |
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| 14:57.15 | ojwb | jasebo: excel? oh the humanity! |
| 14:57.20 | ajuonline | jasebo: seems like, it is gonna happen |
| 14:57.27 | ajuonline | ojwb: sadly, that is how most govt people work. |
| 14:58.02 | ojwb | yeah |
| 14:58.02 | ajuonline | oh and btw, I was doing a research on Petro Chemical Companies for an assignment once, and I called up the 2nd top most company in India |
| 14:58.17 | jasebo | not just govt.. any big business |
| 14:58.17 | ajuonline | asking them what do they use to manage their whole accounts and stuff |
| 14:58.31 | ajuonline | the answer: Excel. its a very powerful tool you know. |
| 14:58.36 | ajuonline | the comment from the HR Head. |
| 14:59.04 | ajuonline | jasebo: and I used LS to interview them ;) |
| 14:59.13 | jasebo | hehe :-) |
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| 14:59.28 | jasebo | excel is a great spreadsheet (if a bit pricey) |
| 14:59.38 | jasebo | but it's not distributed data-entry software |
| 14:59.42 | ajuonline | they should all move to OO |
| 14:59.50 | ajuonline | jasebo: i think the latest ones, do allow that over a network. |
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| 14:59.57 | ajuonline | excel, i mean. |
| 15:00.09 | jasebo | well, noone told the Victorian Govt how to do it :-) |
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| 15:00.18 | jasebo | if it wasn't so sad at the time, it'd be funny |
| 15:00.20 | ajuonline | i know a company who does it simultaneously over their lan. |
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| 15:01.46 | jasebo | and they were using proprietary software to look up gps positions |
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| 15:01.56 | jasebo | so I showed them how to enter GPS locations into google maps |
| 15:02.05 | jasebo | they thought I was brilliant :D |
| 15:02.35 | ajuonline | thats still proprietary isnt it? |
| 15:02.56 | jasebo | well, yeah.. good point :-) |
| 15:02.56 | ojwb | yes |
| 15:03.09 | jasebo | they were using non-free software, with a one person license |
| 15:03.13 | ojwb | it is at least free as in beer though |
| 15:03.14 | Corsix | but it's free proprietary, and everyone loves Google |
| 15:03.28 | ajuonline | !google |
| 15:03.28 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 15:03.47 | ajuonline | Corsix: ^ :D |
| 15:03.55 | ojwb | google profits up though |
| 15:04.16 | jasebo | anyway... going to sleep now. New school term in the morning and have to drive the kids to school! |
| 15:04.34 | Corsix | net income of $4.2 billion seems cosmic to me |
| 15:04.35 | ajuonline | night |
| 15:04.41 | lut4rp | Corsix, haha |
| 15:04.52 | jasebo | g'night |
| 15:05.16 | ojwb | corsix: hmm, wonder if it's about to wrap |
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| 15:05.31 | lut4rp | Google is a brilliantly effecient ad management machine. |
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| 15:06.20 | lut4rp | and then do great search and some other stuff as well :P |
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| 15:07.19 | jasebo | http://l2u.iguana.be/fosdem/IMG_0789.JPG |
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| 15:31.51 | slouvan | !stat |
| 15:31.51 | socinfo | Error: "stat" is not a valid command. |
| 15:32.59 | absabs | !state |
| 15:32.59 | socinfo | Error: "state" is not a valid command. |
| 15:33.06 | absabs | !status |
| 15:33.07 | socinfo | Error: "status" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:33.19 | Its_me | In which part of the world has April 20 th occurred, why does it says accepted students list announced on 20th April? |
| 15:33.38 | spectie | lol |
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| 15:34.01 | smtms | Its_me, what's your question? |
| 15:34.44 | Its_me | Has the Accepted students list announced? |
| 15:34.54 | Corsix | no |
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| 15:38.04 | r0bby | !timeline |
| 15:38.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 15:38.12 | r0bby | Its_me: review that |
| 15:38.28 | Its_me | The time-line states Mentoring Organization's should rate the students proposal on or before 15th of April, then why is this 5 days gap till final list of "Accepted Students"? |
| 15:38.57 | r0bby | to allow for unforeseen circumstances.. |
| 15:39.00 | r0bby | i'd imagine |
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| 15:39.49 | r0bby | Its_me: allow for resolution od duplicate acceptances, etc |
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| 15:41.06 | smtms | Its_me, to allow for mentoring organizations to be late ;-) |
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| 15:43.15 | Its_me | So that means mentoring organization would have announced their accepted students on April 15th itself, Too bad I didn't got any mail from my mentoring Organization. |
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| 15:46.02 | sttwister | organization shouldn't announce accepted students before 20th |
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| 15:49.13 | Corsix | The NMAP GSoC mailing list just got a wonderful mail: |
| 15:49.13 | Corsix | dear admin, |
| 15:49.13 | Corsix | i am intersted in working on nmap soc project. i have mailed my ideas. if u want then i can deatail it. |
| 15:49.13 | Corsix | thanking u, <name> |
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| 15:49.57 | dhaun | it's never too early to start thinking about GSoC 2010 ;-) |
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| 15:50.23 | Corsix | I don't have that much faith in humanity, sorry |
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| 15:50.35 | dhaun | hehe |
| 15:50.45 | r0bby | Corsix: come on |
| 15:50.46 | r0bby | be happy. |
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| 15:51.39 | atulagrwl | Corsix, may be he is willing to work for soc idea off gsoc :p |
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| 15:57.08 | typ0 | !timeline |
| 15:57.08 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 15:59.29 | codelearner | 25 hours. |
| 15:59.49 | Lezard | i`m bored |
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| 16:00.38 | atulagrwl | 25 hours? |
| 16:00.43 | atulagrwl | codelearner, 25? |
| 16:01.34 | codelearner | yeah its 16:00 UTC on 19th now? so the finall list comes out in 25 hours? |
| 16:01.45 | Lezard | actually |
| 16:01.48 | Lezard | 27 |
| 16:02.08 | Lezard | because its 19 utc |
| 16:02.12 | Lezard | not 16 |
| 16:02.14 | atulagrwl | codelearner, Lezard is right |
| 16:02.26 | codelearner | ok |
| 16:02.28 | dhaun | "GSoC - teaching people about timezones since 2005" |
| 16:02.34 | Lezard | lol |
| 16:02.34 | atulagrwl | lol |
| 16:02.41 | codelearner | lol |
| 16:02.59 | atulagrwl | timezones are really confusing |
| 16:03.04 | Lezard | not really |
| 16:03.06 | Lezard | its just math |
| 16:03.11 | Lezard | xD |
| 16:03.16 | codelearner | I misread it as 17 utc tomorrow :P |
| 16:03.30 | Lezard | i`m on a -3 zone |
| 16:03.40 | atulagrwl | i m on +5.5 zone |
| 16:03.44 | Lezard | so i just calculate based on that |
| 16:03.54 | ajuonline | Lezard: do a !next and check the url |
| 16:04.01 | Lezard | !next |
| 16:04.01 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 16:04.23 | atulagrwl | dateandtime is the best place :) |
| 16:04.36 | Lezard | well it is less than 27 hours |
| 16:04.46 | Lezard | its 26 hours and some minutes |
| 16:04.52 | Corsix | 26 hours, 55 minutes |
| 16:05.21 | codelearner | I check here http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java |
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| 16:05.50 | Lezard | Well, I just wish I get accepted... |
| 16:06.11 | Lezard | I`ll work on the project I applied even if i don`t but i kinda need the cash... |
| 16:06.38 | Corsix | who did you apply to? |
| 16:07.36 | codelearner | I am going to be horribly bored this summer if i am not accepted :/ |
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| 16:07.37 | Lezard | Corsix: Sakai |
| 16:07.49 | Corsix | so just one application? |
| 16:07.52 | Lezard | I`m interested on working in UI projects on free software and they seemed interested too |
| 16:08.06 | Lezard | Corsix not really, but the one i gave most time making |
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| 16:08.31 | Lezard | the other ones I kinda screwed up in the end so I`m not really that hopeful |
| 16:09.18 | Lezard | Corsix why do you ask? xD |
| 16:09.42 | Corsix | to see if you applied to the same places I did xD |
| 16:09.53 | Lezard | where did you apply ?? |
| 16:10.03 | Corsix | wxWidgets and Apache |
| 16:10.11 | Lezard | No i didnt |
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| 16:11.12 | Lezard | I`m hungry... |
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| 16:11.28 | Lezard | I forgot to go and buy food on saturday again... stupid supermarkets... |
| 16:12.36 | Lezard | !guess |
| 16:12.36 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
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| 16:14.13 | spectie | ajuonline, will the accepted students be added automatically to the organisation homepage ? |
| 16:14.30 | spectie | ajuonline, or should we do it ourselves ? |
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| 16:15.59 | ajuonline | spectie: last year, it happpend automaitcally. afaik, the top x students automatically get listed. |
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| 16:16.04 | spectie | ok great |
| 16:16.04 | ajuonline | nothing to be done by the org. |
| 16:16.06 | spectie | and the map ? |
| 16:16.13 | spectie | that happens automatically too ? :) |
| 16:16.25 | ajuonline | that as well. if people have put it correctly in their profile |
| 16:16.31 | spectie | great |
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| 16:16.36 | Lezard | well how will we students know if we were accepted? |
| 16:16.36 | ajuonline | SRabbelier: ^ |
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| 16:16.54 | ajuonline | Lezard: selected ones, get automated emails. |
| 16:17.03 | Lezard | Ok thanks xD |
| 16:17.08 | Corsix | at least, that is how it is meant to work |
| 16:17.08 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: huh? |
| 16:17.08 | Lezard | we get the e-mail at 19 utc? |
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| 16:17.26 | lut4rp | it might take time to email 1000 students :) |
| 16:17.29 | ajuonline | SRabbelier: pleaase read what spectie asked :) |
| 16:17.31 | lut4rp | even for a system |
| 16:17.35 | ajuonline | and confirm |
| 16:17.43 | SRabbelier | spectie: it will be automagically added |
| 16:18.40 | spectie | thanks ! |
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| 16:24.08 | straszheim | doesn't notice anything different about Boost's student proposal list |
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| 16:31.19 | bosch | !logs |
| 16:31.19 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 16:36.55 | SRabbelier | spectie: oh, with the caveat, that if you don't have a home document set no-one will be able to see it! ;) |
| 16:37.03 | spectie | we do |
| 16:37.05 | spectie | i think |
| 16:37.09 | SRabbelier | straszheim: why should there be anything different? |
| 16:37.22 | SRabbelier | spectie: an e-mail was just sent out to the mentors list listing those who have not |
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| 16:37.25 | SRabbelier | is off for dinner |
| 16:37.33 | spectie | we have it set :) |
| 16:37.33 | maploin | what hour will the results be announced at? |
| 16:38.03 | smtms | maploin, unknown |
| 16:38.07 | smtms | maploin, around 19:00 UTC |
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| 16:38.21 | smtms | I think this year they will be announced on time |
| 16:38.39 | Its_me | !timeline |
| 16:38.39 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 16:38.40 | maploin | thanks |
| 16:38.45 | straszheim | SRabbelier: LH indicated there should be something different. But you appear to have cleared this up. |
| 16:39.24 | straszheim | all set for the big day tomorrow. |
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| 16:56.41 | HanzZ | hm :) it's pitty that there is no customed timer for !next :) |
| 16:58.11 | ajuonline | HanzZ: there is. when did you check it last? ;) |
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| 17:00.13 | HanzZ | !next |
| 17:00.13 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 17:00.23 | HanzZ | heh :) |
| 17:00.25 | HanzZ | fast changes :) |
| 17:01.35 | skbohra | I was not expecting it to be changed before 20th ;) |
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| 17:07.01 | ishan | Eagerly waiting for the results. What kind of changes could take place in allotments during this 17th-20th period? |
| 17:07.30 | ishan | I mean why this delay? |
| 17:07.45 | skbohra | it was scheduled for 20th I guess |
| 17:07.53 | skbohra | !timeline |
| 17:07.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 17:08.00 | skbohra | wasn't it? |
| 17:08.08 | Ivanovic | ishan: many... |
| 17:08.10 | rajan | ishan: some formallity stuff |
| 17:08.31 | ishan | indeed.. but is there any change expected? what formality, rajan? |
| 17:08.47 | skbohra | change as? |
| 17:08.54 | ishan | change in allotments? |
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| 17:09.31 | skbohra | there are others here who can answer this better |
| 17:09.48 | Ivanovic | just wait and you will see the results in ~26h |
| 17:10.01 | Ivanovic | one possible thing that could happen: |
| 17:10.09 | Ivanovic | the sky could fall down on us |
| 17:10.13 | ishan | hmmm... thanks. sorry for bugging you. just eager to see the results. i feel i put in a good application |
| 17:10.15 | skbohra | :D |
| 17:10.19 | ishan | oh wow, cool possibility |
| 17:10.20 | ishan | heheh |
| 17:10.39 | skbohra | go listen to summer of '69 once more |
| 17:10.42 | skbohra | ;) |
| 17:11.08 | ishan | oh awesome. and coincidentially, i've been singing it as summer of 2009 while taking baths! |
| 17:11.09 | ishan | heheh |
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| 17:11.23 | skbohra | :) |
| 17:11.31 | rajan | ishan: what org u applied for ? |
| 17:11.38 | ishan | gnome |
| 17:11.44 | ishan | which did you apply for, rajan? |
| 17:12.05 | skbohra | ishan: I guessed this right, hopefully I can guess more |
| 17:12.06 | skbohra | :D |
| 17:12.19 | ishan | wow, please go ahead :D |
| 17:12.29 | rajan | Berkman and OSM |
| 17:12.37 | rajan | and Sunlight :P |
| 17:12.40 | ishan | oh cool |
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| 17:13.01 | ishan | i applied for OIIO too, but they didnt give any feedback |
| 17:13.23 | ajuonline | you could apply for 20, just thought you might want to know :) |
| 17:13.50 | ishan | hehe, i applied for only 2 :-P most others were beyond me |
| 17:15.27 | ishan | watching IPL? |
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| 17:16.04 | rajan | Sunlight never responded back here |
| 17:16.04 | rajan | ajuonline: I know :P |
| 17:16.04 | rajan | ajuonline: has anyone ever done that,if you have heard of ? |
| 17:17.35 | skbohra | smiling at Rajan |
| 17:18.09 | [Evan] | Sorry to interrupt, but what's the deal about the "trap" that Michael Schumacher didn't fall into? I read a weird post on the GIMP user mailing list that gave the impression that somebody figured out how to plant malitious code on the GSoC website which infected many mentors. Anybody hear anything about this? |
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| 17:22.50 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: huh? |
| 17:22.52 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: who what where? |
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| 17:23.35 | [Evan] | Evan is looking for the mailing list archive. |
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| 17:24.23 | [Evan] | Found it! https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2009-April/022127.html |
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| 17:25.11 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: hmmmm, I don't think he meant malicious code. |
| 17:25.22 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: he was referring to the Melange UI being somewhat less than optimal |
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| 17:29.35 | vladikoff | Hmm re: Melange, did it seem like we were beta testers for it? |
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| 17:30.28 | kizzo | !logs |
| 17:30.28 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 17:30.50 | Lezard | !next |
| 17:30.50 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 17:31.49 | skbohra | [Evan] the url is not working for me, says invalid security certificate |
| 17:32.17 | tntcoda | skbohra, http instead of https |
| 17:32.37 | [1]Evan | Yeah, it gives me that too, but my browser lets me visit anyway. I *think* it's safe... |
| 17:33.21 | skbohra | tntcoda: yup that worked with http |
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| 17:33.51 | Corsix | self-signed and out of date |
| 17:33.55 | Corsix | great certificate |
| 17:33.58 | tntcoda | :p |
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| 17:47.47 | [Evan] | So, mentors, have you heard anything about this "trap"? http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2009-April/022127.html If somebody already answered me, sorry; I lost my connection for a second. |
| 17:49.12 | dhaun | [Evan]: it's nothing - just a few org admins overlooked that they had to perform a step to ensure students are matched up with mentors |
| 17:49.40 | [Evan] | Ah, so it's not very serious. Okay, now I feel safe again. |
| 17:49.41 | SRabbelier | vladikoff: it didn't seem like that, it IS like that |
| 17:49.59 | SRabbelier | vladikoff: since when we _asked_ for beta testers, no one volunteered |
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| 17:51.10 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: There's no known security vulnerabilities in Melange, no worries, you can ignore the FUD from  Robidoux |
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| 17:53.12 | [Evan] | looks at the student announcement countdown. |
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| 17:54.01 | jeez__ | dhaun: but do you know if any orgs actually lost slots because of this ? |
| 17:54.24 | dhaun | no idea |
| 17:54.44 | [Evan] | Aw, man, I'm in the eastern time zone, so I'm gonna have to wait 'till eleven to see if I've been accepted. |
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| 17:55.18 | SRabbelier | jeez__: I don't think so |
| 17:55.33 | SRabbelier | jeez__: As Leslie said all orgs followed up within 24 hours |
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| 17:57.24 | jeez__ | hmmm, I see |
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| 17:59.53 | kblin | [Evan]: I don't get how it's possible to get the impression that someone managed to put "malicious code on the gsoc website that infected many mentors", though |
| 18:00.15 | kblin | or as an american friend of my would put it, are you on crack? |
| 18:01.23 | ArthurLiu | "If your organization won't create a home page your accepted students won't be listed tomorrow when results are announced." |
| 18:01.25 | [Evan] | Well, I read "trap" as "XSS scripting attack". |
| 18:01.29 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol, +many |
| 18:01.35 | ArthurLiu | I sense a situation tomorrow in pure GSoC tradition :) |
| 18:01.46 | [Evan] | What tradition? |
| 18:01.59 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: We _could_ of course lift that restriction :P |
| 18:02.11 | ArthurLiu | acceptance letters being sent to the wrong people, late, etc :) |
| 18:02.11 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: but it's more fun to see people struggle (A) |
| 18:02.23 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: lettrs, or emails? |
| 18:02.26 | kblin | SRabbelier: why do we need to put up yet another website again? |
| 18:02.29 | ArthurLiu | mails |
| 18:02.40 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: actually, that's gonna work just fine |
| 18:02.51 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: and whether or not orgs have a home page or not won't affect that |
| 18:03.11 | ArthurLiu | once everyone was rejected, another time everyone was accepted, last year it was just very late, etc :) |
| 18:03.13 | SRabbelier | kblin: not sure actually :P |
| 18:03.36 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: Lennard and I just finished testing, and it looks like everything will work fine this year :) |
| 18:03.52 | kblin | SRabbelier: given how I couldn't come up with anything really clever for it, it's just the org description |
| 18:03.59 | kblin | ArthurLiu: that's actually not true |
| 18:04.01 | SRabbelier | kblin: works for me |
| 18:04.35 | SRabbelier | kblin: I think we'll do something like pre-seed all orgs that didn't set their home document to a document containing the text "we are lazy bastids, ^^" |
| 18:04.35 | kblin | SRabbelier: but I don't see why I need to jump through this hoop |
| 18:04.59 | SRabbelier | kblin: me neither tbh |
| 18:05.00 | ArthurLiu | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/org/google/gsoc2009/debian/debianhomepage |
| 18:05.05 | kblin | I mean, I did, whatever makes lh not yell at me and all that, but I still don't see why |
| 18:05.23 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I don't remember everybody ever being rejected |
| 18:05.33 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: fancy logo we've got these days |
| 18:05.36 | kblin | ArthurLiu: so unless that was last year, this never happened |
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| 18:06.23 | [Evan] | So the site will send emails to accepted students at the listed time? Will any sites be allowed to sent the emails before the time? |
| 18:06.55 | kblin | the google announcement is the first one that gets out |
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| 18:07.29 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: all orgs are kindly asked not to pre-announce anything :) |
| 18:07.44 | [Evan] | So the emails will all be sent at once from Google. Man, I was hoping for a leak... |
| 18:07.59 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: correct |
| 18:08.13 | kblin | patience, folks |
| 18:08.22 | HanzZ | :) |
| 18:09.08 | [Evan] | Why isn't the deadline much earlier, like 0 UTC? Can't the computers automate the emails? |
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| 18:09.35 | thiago_home | because Google people want to review everything to make sure it's ok |
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| 18:09.48 | thiago_home | they want to be around to help out with the questions that do arise |
| 18:09.51 | Phrozn | if accepted, when do t-shits get sent out :P? |
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| 18:10.02 | thiago_home | besides, 0000 UTC most of Europe is either asleep or going to bed |
| 18:10.06 | smtms | Phrozn, upon successful project completion |
| 18:10.19 | thiago_home | and it's not business hours in the US East Coast |
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| 18:10.33 | jeez__ | thiago_home: hey! :) |
| 18:10.34 | ArthurLiu | kblin, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code 2006 and 2007 |
| 18:12.11 | holger_ | Phrozn: and allow some time for printing and delivery. november is a safe bet. |
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| 18:13.02 | Phrozn | holger_: :) |
| 18:13.25 | [1]Evan | So, is Google going to hold another highly open participation project for the under-18s? I've got a younger brother who'd be interested. |
| 18:14.06 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I don't remember seeing that in 2007 |
| 18:14.24 | kblin | ArthurLiu: I remember the email thing from 2006 |
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| 18:15.09 | ArthurLiu | add a 'citation needed' marker :) |
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| 18:15.16 | kblin | but all I remember from 2007 is getting an "you're rejected" and an "you're accepted" email, thinking "not again!" and then realizing that I applied for two projects and could of course only add one |
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| 18:15.38 | kblin | don't have a login on en.wikipedia.org |
| 18:16.03 | kblin | but there's so much crap on there that I can't fix it all anyway |
| 18:16.51 | kblin | anyway, bbl |
| 18:18.28 | SRabbelier | kblin: ok, so I got your answer :P |
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| 18:19.08 | kblin | SRabbelier: hm? |
| 18:19.42 | kblin | SRabbelier: impossible, I only just clicked "send" |
| 18:19.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: The main reason we want orgs to create a home page is because most will want to have one |
| 18:19.54 | kblin | aha |
| 18:19.54 | SRabbelier | kblin: I was talking about your earlier question |
| 18:19.58 | SRabbelier | kblin: on why you need to create a page |
| 18:20.00 | kblin | oh, that |
| 18:20.05 | SRabbelier | kblin: and there's really no sane default we can have |
| 18:20.15 | kblin | still doesn't make sense |
| 18:20.22 | SRabbelier | kblin: and not having one is sub-optimal, since then people have no information on who they are looking at |
| 18:20.23 | kblin | of course there is |
| 18:20.26 | SRabbelier | kblin: do tell |
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| 18:20.51 | kblin | I bet at least 100 orgs will use their short description |
| 18:21.02 | kblin | maybe with an added logo |
| 18:21.10 | kblin | I added an html link to our website |
| 18:21.25 | kblin | but I still think that's a sane default |
| 18:21.37 | SRabbelier | kblin: we do have an issue about it btw |
| 18:21.39 | kblin | _and_ that's what I used to see when I clicked on the "home" link anyway |
| 18:21.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: it's been in the tracker for a while |
| 18:21.50 | kblin | yeah |
| 18:22.01 | kblin | I'm still waiting on a reply from google on the CLA |
| 18:22.30 | kblin | I'm going to poke JRA about it when I see him next week |
| 18:23.08 | kblin | anyway, I'm really off now |
| 18:23.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: ok, cool :) |
| 18:23.28 | kblin | don't expect too many patches from me, though |
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| 18:23.45 | kblin | I'm splitting the little spare time I have between too many projects already |
| 18:24.52 | SRabbelier | kblin: yes, you are :) |
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| 18:27.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: thanks for your reply on the mentor list btw ;) |
| 18:28.39 | Arc | so how do you create a org homepage |
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| 18:28.46 | Arc | there is no link for this in the webapp |
| 18:28.59 | SRabbelier | Arc: did you read the doc? |
| 18:29.06 | Arc | which doc? |
| 18:29.15 | SRabbelier | Arc: arhttp://tinyurl.com/orghomepage |
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| 18:30.23 | SRabbelier | Arc: this has been linked to in the main, ;) |
| 18:31.02 | SRabbelier | Arc: and there was also a very detailed explanation by Ian Dees on the mentors list on how to do it |
| 18:31.41 | Arc | what *is* an org's homepage? |
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| 18:31.55 | D_Traka | http://www.myspace.com/tetrapakbeats |
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| 18:31.59 | SRabbelier | Arc: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/org/google/gsoc2009/debian/debianhomepage |
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| 18:35.12 | vladikoff | are there any alternatives to GSoC? |
| 18:35.22 | makmanalp | haha |
| 18:35.27 | vladikoff | :) |
| 18:35.28 | lifeeth | vladikoff, :) |
| 18:35.38 | thiago_home | that depends on whether you consider GHOP an alternative |
| 18:35.42 | SRabbelier | vladikoff: yup, call McDonalds for a job |
| 18:35.49 | thiago_home | but true alternatives would be internships in OSS-friendly companies |
| 18:35.54 | ajuonline | and flip burgers* |
| 18:35.56 | makmanalp | vladikoff: i don't think there's been any other company nutty enough to fund students to work on opensource :P |
| 18:36.05 | thiago_home | unfortunately, for us, the crisis meant we stopped hiring interns |
| 18:36.12 | vladikoff | open-source burgers |
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| 18:37.41 | jeez__ | the crisis also meant 300 less slots on GSoC =/ |
| 18:37.56 | joeyadams | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola |
| 18:38.23 | jeez__ | hoping that his slot stills there, somewhere :P |
| 18:38.24 | ajuonline | jeez__: the less number of slots has nothing to do with the crisis. its just to have more quality proposals. |
| 18:38.33 | dhaun | jeez__: 125 less, IIRC |
| 18:38.34 | SRabbelier | joeyadams: open cola ftw, same for open beer |
| 18:38.55 | ajuonline | 1125 last year. |
| 18:38.58 | ajuonline | 1000 this year |
| 18:39.22 | jeez__ | 125 less then... well, I stll thinking it has something to do with the crisis |
| 18:39.42 | SRabbelier | jeez__: of course it does, lo |
| 18:39.47 | SRabbelier | s/lo/lol/ |
| 18:39.58 | techniqo | when will the result be out ? |
| 18:40.13 | thiago_home | techniqo: did you check the timeline? |
| 18:40.17 | jeez__ | there are other ways of getting "more quality proposals", ajuonline |
| 18:40.22 | SRabbelier | contemplates kicking techniqo |
| 18:40.25 | techniqo | 20 april |
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| 18:40.29 | ajuonline | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/reminder-applications-for-google-summer.html |
| 18:40.30 | SRabbelier | on grounds of trolling :P |
| 18:40.37 | thiago_home | techniqo: and what day is it today? |
| 18:40.44 | ajuonline | jeez__: SRabbelier listen to what LH says there |
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| 18:40.50 | ajuonline | about reduced number of slots :P |
| 18:41.08 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: what time? |
| 18:41.31 | ajuonline | SRabbelier: you mean on that video? :/ |
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| 18:41.35 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: yes |
| 18:41.38 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: I watched it already |
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| 18:41.46 | ajuonline | SRabbelier: re-watch :P |
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| 18:41.49 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: don't want to watch it a second time to find that specific fragment |
| 18:41.53 | Corsix | saying "we want more quality" is better PR than saying "we need to tighten up our belts and spend less" ;) |
| 18:41.55 | SRabbelier | whaps ajuonline |
| 18:42.04 | SRabbelier | Corsix: exactly |
| 18:42.08 | jeez__ | Corsix: right! |
| 18:42.16 | ajuonline | whatever :P |
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| 18:43.23 | jeez__ | well, there is nothing else we can do besides waiting |
| 18:43.36 | ajuonline | you can guess |
| 18:43.37 | ajuonline | !guess |
| 18:43.38 | socinfo | "guess" is Theres no point guessing anything. Results will be out when they are out. But sure, guessing is fun! :D |
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| 18:43.44 | vladikoff | jeez__, we can place bets! |
| 18:43.48 | jeez__ | vladikoff: ahahaha |
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| 18:44.01 | jeez__ | or fix Melange bugs... ¬¬ |
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| 18:44.03 | Corsix | nothing to do apart from find XSS exploits in melange and exploit them |
| 18:44.07 | Corsix | or report them |
| 18:44.44 | thiago_home | you can assume you were selected and start doing what you would be doing tomorrow at this time |
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| 18:44.59 | thiago_home | that is, start knowing the community, helping out, getting the code and compiling |
| 18:45.21 | holger_ | jeez__: afair, they had 1000 planned last year too. they gave away some more slots because some orgs said they had quality proposals they couldn't take under the original number of slots |
| 18:45.23 | [Evan] | But what if I'm not selected? |
| 18:45.42 | thiago_home | [Evan]: then you continue doing that |
| 18:45.43 | SRabbelier | holger_: that wont' happen this year ;) |
| 18:45.49 | SRabbelier | [Evan]: there will be SWAG |
| 18:46.13 | Phrozn | oo swag? |
| 18:46.18 | holger_ | SRabbelier: well, my org is fine. we have about as much slots as we have worthy proposals ;) |
| 18:46.36 | jeez__ | holger_: which org are you from ?! |
| 18:46.38 | SRabbelier | holger_: most do, really :) |
| 18:46.41 | thiago_home | we have 20 slots less than worthy proposals... |
| 18:46.45 | SRabbelier | Phrozn: for sure :) |
| 18:46.55 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: what org are you with again? |
| 18:46.58 | holger_ | videolan (i'm with x264 under their umbrella) |
| 18:46.59 | vladikoff | !qualityproposal |
| 18:46.59 | socinfo | Error: "qualityproposal" is not a valid command. |
| 18:47.00 | thiago_home | KDE |
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| 18:47.12 | jeez__ | thiago_home: this is a very bad news for me.. =/ |
| 18:47.17 | [Evan] | !mentor |
| 18:47.17 | socinfo | Error: "mentor" is not a valid command. |
| 18:47.53 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: but still you got an insane amount of slots |
| 18:47.54 | vladikoff | so what IS a quality proposal? |
| 18:48.01 | jeez__ | getting worried =( |
| 18:48.17 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: sure, KDE was popular, but if it'd gotten any more there wouldn't be any left for others :P |
| 18:48.25 | thiago_home | SRabbelier: I know |
| 18:48.36 | thiago_home | SRabbelier: it's been the same in 2007 and 2008 too |
| 18:48.37 | holger_ | vladikoff: depends on the org. in our case: interaction with the project (either by mail or by irc), qualification task, clear understanding of the proposed idea. |
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| 18:48.49 | thiago_home | SRabbelier: balancing what we can do with what other orgs can do too |
| 18:48.52 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: but, it's a good thing that you guys got so many good proposals :) |
| 18:49.11 | vladikoff | holger_, nice! |
| 18:49.47 | jeez__ | SRabbelier: but it is not good for us that they got 20 slots less then "needed" ... |
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| 18:50.22 | thiago_home | jeez__: we selected X amount of proposals that were "definite yes" and some more Y that were "sure, if we have slots to spare" |
| 18:50.23 | SRabbelier | jeez__: don't know what to tell ya ;) |
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| 18:50.33 | thiago_home | jeez__: we got 20 less than X+Y |
| 18:51.41 | holger_ | we got about X, which was ok, because all of or Y were duplicates of ideas we already had someone in X for |
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| 18:52.08 | jeez__ | thiago_home: hmmm, I see |
| 18:52.56 | holger_ | we had to drop one really great idea because we couldn't possibly mentor it. |
| 18:54.01 | SRabbelier | holger_: whow, amazing |
| 18:54.19 | SRabbelier | holger_: is the student going to work with you guys regardless? |
| 18:55.29 | holger_ | no idea. this was about ha clustering video servers. the guy would probably have known more about it than anyone in the project. |
| 18:55.37 | SRabbelier | chuckles at the steady 3QPS the site is getting |
| 18:55.42 | SRabbelier | I wonder how it'll be tomorrow :P |
| 18:56.00 | SRabbelier | holger_: understandable |
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| 18:56.20 | holger_ | i would have loved to see the idea go through, but it seems i would have been the only one who even remotely been into the subject. |
| 18:56.21 | SRabbelier | holger_: get him on board doing something else and then hope he'll work on it after GSoC? ;) |
| 18:56.24 | Corsix | 0 QPS, due to some catastrophic DNS error |
| 18:56.37 | SRabbelier | Corsix: :( |
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| 18:56.58 | holger_ | only proposal, don't think he would have been interested into anything else as this was going to be part of his phd work |
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| 18:57.44 | SRabbelier | holger_: aaah, hehe |
| 18:57.50 | holger_ | is going to mentor the x264 asm opts for the beagle board instead ;) |
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| 19:01.13 | vidhoonv | hello friends |
| 19:01.26 | vidhoonv | any news from systers for anyone? |
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| 19:01.52 | thiago_home | jeez__: but don't worry, 20 is less than half, so we'll still be able to get the best proposals |
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| 19:02.38 | hwked | !next |
| 19:02.39 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 19:03.14 | jeez__ | thiago_home: yes, sure :) Now I just have to worry about if mine was on the "must-have" list or not :P |
| 19:04.23 | dqminh | holger_: thats too bad. Will he be interested in working on it during his spare time ? |
| 19:05.06 | viktor | !logs |
| 19:05.07 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 19:05.08 | patri | vidhoonv: u can wait 24 hours... |
| 19:05.28 | vidhoonv | patri: hey patri |
| 19:05.42 | vidhoonv | patri: why you not coming to IRC |
| 19:05.52 | vidhoonv | patri: cant see you these days? |
| 19:06.43 | patri | vidhoonv: come to #gsoc-india |
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| 19:07.03 | holger_ | dqminh: no idea. guy was on irc and definitely qualified, even had a slot for some time, but in the end we decided we probably couldn't help him if he ran into problems. so selected someone we could mentor instead at the last minute. |
| 19:07.04 | vidhoonv | ya one sec |
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| 19:11.40 | kenny87 | will the results be published somewhere? |
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| 19:12.00 | kenny87 | or the "winners"will be notified |
| 19:12.00 | kenny87 | ? |
| 19:12.15 | relix- | kenny87 I'm guessing both |
| 19:12.21 | ajuonline | SRabbelier: pm? |
| 19:12.29 | holger_ | kenny87: yes and yes. apr 20, 1900 utc |
| 19:12.57 | relix- | unless the "winners" have already been notified together with a NDA, and they're all laughing at us now because they know that if you haven't been notified yet you're not a "winner" |
| 19:13.39 | Corsix | ironically, that was kinda the case with GHOP |
| 19:13.49 | patri | relix-: +1 |
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| 19:14.13 | relix- | corsix: poor things |
| 19:14.28 | SRabbelier | relix-: I like that idea |
| 19:14.40 | dqminh | holger_: is his idea published somewhere ? I want to read about it :D |
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| 19:15.25 | relix- | SRabbelier why do you like it :p |
| 19:15.37 | relix- | or maybe you have been notified! |
| 19:15.58 | holger_ | dqminh: no, unfortunately he didn't give any links beyond his (extensive) proposal. which isn't public for obvious reasons. |
| 19:16.13 | SRabbelier | relix-: it'd be a hilarious joke :P |
| 19:16.21 | relix- | not for the losers :p |
| 19:16.26 | SRabbelier | relix-: heheh :P |
| 19:16.54 | holger_ | or well, not that extensive now that i looked at it again. he expanded later in a comment. |
| 19:16.55 | SRabbelier | relix-: they'd be losers anyway :P |
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| 19:17.11 | relix- | ...but maybe I have been notified and am pretending I haven't been notified, and am "throwing" this idea out here for extra kicks |
| 19:17.20 | relix- | thum thum thuuuuuuuuum |
| 19:17.26 | relix- | the plot thickens! |
| 19:17.27 | SRabbelier | relix-: wouldn't that violate your NDA? |
| 19:17.31 | oxcsnicho | !timeline |
| 19:17.31 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:17.43 | relix- | SRabbelier it'd be worth it |
| 19:17.48 | SRabbelier | relix-: lol |
| 19:17.51 | vladikoff | lol! |
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| 19:18.03 | SRabbelier | relix-: depends on whether violating your NDA result in an angry lh at your door or not |
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| 19:18.16 | SRabbelier | s/result/would result/ |
| 19:18.29 | dqminh | holger_: i see :( |
| 19:18.38 | relix- | SRabbelier true :p |
| 19:18.40 | holger_ | relix-: and obviously, "winning" mentors already know ;) |
| 19:18.50 | relix- | damn |
| 19:18.52 | relix- | so it's already out there |
| 19:19.01 | relix- | I want to know! :( |
| 19:19.13 | dqminh | bribe your mentors ? |
| 19:19.20 | relix- | heh |
| 19:19.26 | relix- | this is my gameplan: |
| 19:19.35 | relix- | step 1) buy two crates of beer |
| 19:19.39 | relix- | step 2) drink two crates of beer |
| 19:19.47 | relix- | step 3) wake up tuesdaymorning with a hangover |
| 19:19.56 | rkatiyar | lol |
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| 19:20.40 | SRabbelier | relix-: sounds viable |
| 19:20.56 | SRabbelier | relix-: so what's your link_id? |
| 19:20.58 | davidlt | Tomorrow is the big day! |
| 19:21.09 | oxcsnicho | can anyone tell me if there is still a day to go to have the final result? or going to be in hours... |
| 19:21.22 | relix- | !next |
| 19:21.23 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 19:21.23 | kenny87 | good idea relix :)) |
| 19:21.30 | relix- | that link at the back, oxcsnicho, is a counter |
| 19:21.35 | SRabbelier | relix-: I want to look you up and be amused by the fact that I know whether you are accepted, but that you still don't! :P |
| 19:21.37 | relix- | SRabbelier link_id ? |
| 19:21.39 | holger_ | relix-: two years ago i got notice from my mentor at about the planned announcement time. then i could go celebrating and return to see i missed all the confusion ;) |
| 19:21.44 | SRabbelier | relix-: on the site |
| 19:21.47 | oxcsnicho | relix: thanks a lot! |
| 19:21.50 | relix- | SRabbelier oh bugger off :p |
| 19:21.54 | SRabbelier | cackles |
| 19:22.12 | davidlt | 19 UTC :( |
| 19:22.33 | davidlt | That's gonna be 10 PM in Lithuania... |
| 19:22.37 | relix- | holger_ nice :D |
| 19:22.46 | holger_ | are the bets on how much ppl will be in this channel at 1900 utc already open? |
| 19:22.49 | relix- | SRabbelier so you're a mentor then? |
| 19:22.50 | kenny87 | are we just students here or there are mentors as well? |
| 19:23.03 | relix- | kenny87 both |
| 19:23.05 | relix- | even admins |
| 19:23.07 | SRabbelier | relix-: I'm a Developer |
| 19:23.18 | patri | SRabbelier: look up mine too :P |
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| 19:23.24 | lut4rp | i'd say 500 people :) |
| 19:23.27 | SRabbelier | holger_: I think last year there was a pool ;) :P |
| 19:23.33 | vladikoff | trying to get /action to work |
| 19:23.36 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: hahah, way more |
| 19:23.46 | SRabbelier | lut4rp: I think last year was 800 |
| 19:23.49 | relix- | type /me does something vladikoff |
| 19:23.55 | lut4rp | ouch. |
| 19:23.56 | lut4rp | :P |
| 19:24.05 | relix- | too bad, you said 500 lut4rp |
| 19:24.12 | relix- | I'm saying 686 |
| 19:24.15 | lut4rp | i never said anything. |
| 19:24.21 | patri | 700 |
| 19:24.21 | kenny87 | how many slots did mediawiki get? |
| 19:24.27 | rkatiyar | something tells me i shud not listen to crap and go study for my end sems |
| 19:24.28 | Landon | !peak |
| 19:24.28 | holger_ | SRabbelier: i think we hit over 1000 in 2007. |
| 19:24.28 | socinfo | "peak" is Peak for #gsoc@freenode: 874 (Mon Apr 21 14:44:36 2008) |
| 19:24.30 | lut4rp | all i did was type a few characters. |
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| 19:24.50 | lut4rp | :o |
| 19:24.52 | davidlt | What is the limit this year? |
| 19:24.53 | holger_ | SRabbelier: but that was probably due to the delay and all the confusion before things finally cleared out |
| 19:24.54 | lut4rp | Landon, neat :) |
| 19:24.55 | relix- | lut4rp but I saw it! |
| 19:25.15 | relix- | there are less applicants this year |
| 19:25.19 | lut4rp | whistles |
| 19:25.21 | relix- | so I'm guessing less people in here as well |
| 19:25.31 | the9a3eedi | I wonder why they decided to have less students this year |
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| 19:25.42 | the9a3eedi | recession maybe? |
| 19:25.58 | davidlt | am... I think it's 3000 students and 5500 proposals and about 1000 spots ? |
| 19:26.06 | relix- | 1 in 3 |
| 19:26.10 | relix- | those are some fine odds |
| 19:26.11 | the9a3eedi | yeah, something like that :S |
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| 19:26.22 | dhaun | !numapps |
| 19:26.23 | socinfo | "numapps" is This year there are 395 mentoring org apps. That's less than the 500 last year, but there's also much less spam. There are 5900 proposals from 3500 students. |
| 19:26.26 | relix- | it'll make me even more depressed if I'm not accepted :p |
| 19:26.37 | SRabbelier | holger_: ah, yes, that sounds likely |
| 19:26.43 | davidlt | I had little chat with one mentor of OpenOffice and told me that they have 6 left spots and 76 students proposals... |
| 19:27.00 | relix- | looks like the ratios are totally off then |
| 19:27.27 | relix- | but an average of 2 proposals per student |
| 19:27.31 | davidlt | Yeah, and my proposal was on one very very popular idea, I am out already :) |
| 19:27.31 | patri | systers has 3 slots for 47 proposals.. |
| 19:27.34 | relix- | that means they have 6 spots for 38 students |
| 19:27.51 | the9a3eedi | :S |
| 19:27.55 | the9a3eedi | I am worried |
| 19:28.04 | relix- | so what apps have a 1:1 or less ratio then? |
| 19:28.11 | davidlt | I did 2 proposals, OpenOffice and openSuse :) |
| 19:28.14 | relix- | that's the juicy info we need |
| 19:28.21 | relix- | I did only one |
| 19:28.23 | the9a3eedi | relix-, probably those hard apps.. like gcc |
| 19:28.24 | relix- | openstreetmaps |
| 19:28.29 | relix- | the9a3eedi ah right |
| 19:28.32 | the9a3eedi | which nobody wants to work on :P |
| 19:28.54 | holger_ | relix-: x86 asm for x264 saw zero apps. |
| 19:29.12 | davidlt | next year I will have to implement C compiler at university, waiting for that moment ;) |
| 19:29.19 | relix- | heh :p |
| 19:29.22 | the9a3eedi | holger_, wow lol |
| 19:29.24 | l0nwlf_ | which organization had highest slot to app ratio ? |
| 19:29.34 | rkatiyar | davidlt: thats not a good moment |
| 19:29.35 | davidlt | x264 needs asm coders? |
| 19:29.42 | holger_ | isn't entirely sure if this points to a lack of asm programmers or if we really got all the low hanging fruit by now ;) |
| 19:29.52 | ArthurLiu | davidlt, a non-optimizing C compiler is just a glorified assembler :D |
| 19:30.03 | lcuk | gcc could be rewritten from scratch and be usable within 3 months. * |
| 19:30.05 | davidL | :| |
| 19:30.07 | lcuk | *ymmv heh |
| 19:30.08 | rkatiyar | i have to present a compiler tomorrow morning and i m nt a little bit excited |
| 19:30.08 | relix- | holger_ that'd be a very interesting work tbh |
| 19:30.15 | rkatiyar | :( |
| 19:30.32 | davidlt | I spend 6-9 months working on ASM on Windows and some Linux and Unix :) Dammit, I love this language :) |
| 19:30.52 | relix- | I ... respect, it |
| 19:30.54 | davidlt | I still remember some x86 commands in plain HEX :) |
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| 19:31.19 | the9a3eedi | the only asm experience I got is assembly with an outdated assembler (Borland) on Windows. >_< I dont think I'd get accepted if I applied for x264 |
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| 19:31.23 | Corsix | NOP is 0x90, I know that much |
| 19:31.30 | the9a3eedi | that was for a uni course |
| 19:31.31 | holger_ | davidlt: well. our quali task for that was 1% overall, with 10% expected for gsoc. no surprise we didn't see any takers, really ;) |
| 19:31.38 | Corsix | relative near call is 0xE4 or E5 IIRC |
| 19:31.48 | holger_ | (speedup that is) |
| 19:32.29 | davidlt | I would like to be accepted at least by openSuse, it looks that they really had a lot of ideas. |
| 19:33.07 | vnkatesh | just curious, how many of you guys submitted patches... for showing your enthusiasm to your mentors? |
| 19:33.16 | holger_ | advises anyone who likes twisted asm to take a look at our git repo http://git.videolan.org/?p=x264.git;a=shortlog |
| 19:33.24 | Giant-Sheep | currently doing an assembly assignment here :/ thanks for twisting the knife guys... |
| 19:33.32 | rkatiyar | i ... did |
| 19:33.52 | vnkatesh | I did just one... :( |
| 19:34.24 | [LocK] | send 2 patches |
| 19:34.34 | vnkatesh | not very hopeful because I believe one is a bit less... |
| 19:34.39 | davidlt | That's the code... It would take weeks to understand it, I hope you have good documentation. |
| 19:34.40 | vnkatesh | but then, I was busy. |
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| 19:36.07 | dqminh | i sent several. Some is a bit trivial :d |
| 19:36.36 | holger_ | davidlt: the documentation for the asm functions is the c source they replace ;) |
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| 19:37.15 | insane | !timeline |
| 19:37.15 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:37.30 | davidlt | How many people code for x264? |
| 19:38.09 | insane | is it still actual that the results would be published tomorrow? |
| 19:38.21 | davidlt | yes |
| 19:39.03 | holger_ | davidlt: inner circle is 2 atm. ppl semi-regularily working on sth maybe 8. |
| 19:39.31 | davidlt | I don't think you have students, do you? |
| 19:39.41 | holger_ | we got three this year. |
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| 19:41.02 | davidlt | It would be really nice to work on such project, but I think it would require a lot more time to study the internals than do actual programming... |
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| 19:42.23 | holger_ | davidlt: well, i started pretty much from 0 last summer. and one of my last patches (after gsoc, developed during thesis work) actually did get +10% overall at least on one popular arch (conroe) |
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| 19:43.21 | holger_ | but no, atm i don't really expect that to be repeatable anymore ;) |
| 19:43.24 | davidlt | How long did it take for you to start understand how everything works and contribute something? |
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| 19:45.36 | holger_ | davidlt: everything? not even there now. enough - about a week. then i had optimized the first high profile function that wasn't in asm so far. quali task ;) |
| 19:45.55 | davidlt | ; |
| 19:45.58 | davidlt | ops ;) |
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| 19:46.27 | holger_ | video encoders are special. they're likely to spend most of their time in just a couple dsp functions. |
| 19:46.45 | holger_ | so you don't need to get the whole program. just the specific function you're optimizing. |
| 19:47.53 | relix- | then you have to butcher some macroblocks, compensate some motion vectors, and bam |
| 19:47.56 | relix- | you're done |
| 19:48.08 | davidlt | Ech, optimization :) If that is in asm, I would love it :) I still remember one of my first asm programs (base64 encoding) and how many times I rewrote it to be smaller and faster :) |
| 19:48.41 | holger_ | davidlt: if you're interested, i could point you to a couple functions where we did not so common things. |
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| 19:49.47 | holger_ | (sse things that is. not too much to be gained in optimizing scalar code anymore. usually ;) |
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| 19:49.55 | matek | hi all |
| 19:50.33 | davidlt | It would be great, but maybe next time. Any place there all x264 coders are hanging? Right now I have to write bunch of programms, prepare for exams, small mustitaking operating system, I have real work and even new work in different country. I think I have already too much work for now :) |
| 19:50.43 | holger_ | davidlt: #x264dev |
| 19:51.18 | davidlt | I will be hanging around, I think :) |
| 19:52.02 | holger_ | davidlt: you're welcome. mostly quiet, sometimes buzzing. anyone else: you're welcome too, but we do not tolerate noise. |
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| 19:52.35 | davidlt | What do you mean by noise? |
| 19:52.51 | holger_ | anything not related to x264 source and possible improvements |
| 19:53.04 | davidlt | ah |
| 19:53.07 | holger_ | we have #x264 for more general questions |
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| 19:55.28 | davidlt | ech, 23 hours left till disappointment... |
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| 19:55.48 | davidlt | x264 is only in C/ASM? |
| 19:56.09 | holger_ | davidlt: pretty much. real asm for x86, intrinsics for ppc. |
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| 19:59.12 | holger_ | oh, and of course, #x264 also serves as a general touhou discussion channel nowadays ;) |
| 19:59.26 | davidlt | :) |
| 20:00.13 | davidlt | Maybe someone here is working with .NET? (Stuck a bit) |
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| 20:04.43 | thiago_home | davidlt: try the Mono channels |
| 20:07.43 | davidlt | thanks |
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| 20:10.16 | kblin | evening folks |
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| 20:11.28 | SRabbelier | kblin: welcome back :) |
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| 20:12.29 | locutus4 | !next |
| 20:12.30 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
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| 20:13.50 | davidlt | 81976 seconds left :) |
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| 20:18.01 | kblin | sighs |
| 20:18.18 | SRabbelier | kblin: why the deep sigh? |
| 20:18.27 | kblin | turns of email delivery on google-mentors |
| 20:18.38 | dmb | off* |
| 20:18.46 | kblin | yeah, whatever |
| 20:19.14 | kblin | you forgot to close the smartass tag ;) |
| 20:19.21 | dmb | heh |
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| 20:23.38 | r0bby | kblin: mentor list bad this year? |
| 20:24.46 | SRabbelier | r0bby: not sure you can see this page, but http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/about |
| 20:25.03 | Corsix | "You don't have sufficient permissions to view this page. " |
| 20:25.04 | SRabbelier | r0bby: 540 emails in april so far, and we're not even at EOM |
| 20:25.34 | kblin | and of these 540 emails, < 100 were worth reading |
| 20:25.39 | holger_ | expects it to get really quiet soon |
| 20:26.04 | kblin | I sure hope so |
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| 20:31.18 | r0bby | i cant :) |
| 20:31.51 | r0bby | yeh i talked to lh bout that i was curious what was going on |
| 20:31.54 | r0bby | saw her in NY |
| 20:32.06 | r0bby | that's quite insane |
| 20:32.36 | kblin | shrugs |
| 20:32.40 | kblin | got to be the weather |
| 20:32.55 | r0bby | yeh |
| 20:33.01 | r0bby | global warming and such |
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| 20:33.34 | SRabbelier | r0bby: financial cricis :P |
| 20:33.39 | SRabbelier | r0bby: and go you for seeing her in NY :) |
| 20:33.52 | r0bby | SRabbelier: i also met Pawal |
| 20:33.59 | r0bby | Pawel* |
| 20:34.03 | r0bby | i can't spell his name :( |
| 20:34.26 | SRabbelier | r0bby: Pawel :) |
| 20:34.31 | r0bby | SRabbelier: I was @ Open Everything |
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| 20:35.10 | SRabbelier | r0bby: I figured :D |
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| 20:37.46 | skiquel | SRabbelier: financial crysis. |
| 20:38.03 | r0bby | SRabbelier: I *WAS* on irc the entire day though (whenever i had my laptop powered up) |
| 20:38.06 | SRabbelier | skiquel: I like Bioshock more :P |
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| 20:38.11 | SRabbelier | r0bby: geek :P |
| 20:38.28 | r0bby | http://identi.ca/robbyoconnor |
| 20:38.39 | r0bby | I hate twitter and I used that sucker _ALL_ day. |
| 20:38.53 | r0bby | I had that, fb, the openeverything wiki, and identi.ca open |
| 20:39.16 | holger_ | twit-ter? |
| 20:39.31 | SRabbelier | r0bby: lol :P |
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| 20:43.25 | kblin | still doesn't get twitter |
| 20:44.02 | mhilmi | its all the rage now too. and it still seems retarded |
| 20:44.06 | holger_ | kblin: either we're getting old or we're just not twit enough |
| 20:44.07 | Catfish_Man | kblin: I've created a little table of four boolean properties of chat protocols, and filled it in for most of the existing ones |
| 20:44.23 | Catfish_Man | twitter actually isn't quite redundant |
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| 20:44.44 | Catfish_Man | although blogs make it somewhat close to being so |
| 20:44.45 | Landon | heh |
| 20:44.55 | Landon | anything concerning twitter and uptime is laughable |
| 20:44.56 | Landon | :) |
| 20:45.03 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: show meh the table! |
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| 20:45.28 | kblin | holger_: I guess I'm just getting old |
| 20:45.46 | kblin | holger_: but I feel no need about microblogging the fact that I'm heading to the toilet |
| 20:46.07 | Landon | you know you might have too many emails when... |
| 20:46.22 | Landon | Fetching Headers (80460/148902) |
| 20:46.24 | holger_ | kblin: that just tells me you're not a twit ;) |
| 20:46.33 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: I got rid of it, but if I remember correctly the properties were: asynch vs synch, topic-specific vs participant-specific, 1:N vs 1:1, and directed vs undirected |
| 20:46.52 | Catfish_Man | twitter is asynchronous participant-specific directed 1:N |
| 20:46.53 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: fancy |
| 20:47.20 | r0bby | kblin: it makes sense if you're there |
| 20:47.23 | Catfish_Man | irc is synchronous topic-specific (usually) directed 1:N |
| 20:47.25 | SRabbelier | Landon: ouch 0.o |
| 20:47.27 | r0bby | when the tweets happen |
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| 20:47.41 | Landon | should be all good once I get the first batch of headers |
| 20:47.44 | kblin | Catfish_Man: but what use has an async participant-specific directed 1:N chat? |
| 20:47.45 | Landon | hopefully it doesn't slow opera down any |
| 20:47.55 | Catfish_Man | kblin: I find it useful for answering questions |
| 20:47.57 | holger_ | Catfish_Man: as you accurately pointed out, this is pretty much what a blog does. except for the ease of accessibility and the not-too-interesting content enabled by that. |
| 20:48.09 | Catfish_Man | the "directed" part means that anyone following me is interested in things I'm interested in, or at least in me |
| 20:48.22 | Catfish_Man | so I can tweet a programming question and often get good answers |
| 20:48.46 | Catfish_Man | blogs with rss readers work about the same way |
| 20:48.48 | kblin | holger_: imho, blogging is pretty useless as well in general |
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| 20:49.19 | fortyseventeen | can you subscribe to feeds from other laconica installations? |
| 20:49.31 | SRabbelier | kblin: you're definitely getting old ;) |
| 20:49.34 | kblin | holger_: it's the web 2.0 version of "this is my website. this is my hamster's website" you could see in the late 1990s |
| 20:49.42 | holger_ | kblin: obviously so. i still do not have a blog either ;) (thinking of getting one, but if so, going to use it more like a public notebook) |
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| 20:50.12 | kblin | holger_: I've got a blog to do release announcements for software I work on |
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| 20:50.20 | kblin | it's pretty neat for that |
| 20:50.50 | SRabbelier | kblin: I think blogs like codinghorroer and the like are useful, or at least amuzing ;) |
| 20:50.57 | SRabbelier | (and ofcourse the DailyWTF) |
| 20:50.58 | holger_ | problem today is - people think they can publish because they have the tech to do so. they often forget some journalistic background could be helpful to decide in what to publish, and how. |
| 20:51.22 | sanooj | I much preferred putting up blog posts as gsoc status reports rather than spamming the mailing list. |
| 20:51.50 | holger_ | sanooj: that's ok of course. though i think a wiki page hosted at your project would be better than a personal blog for that. |
| 20:51.52 | sanooj | blog posts can have gfx bling that mailing lists just don't tolerate. :) |
| 20:51.54 | kblin | sanooj: don't get me started into a push vs. pull debate |
| 20:51.59 | dberkholz | hopefully you're working on an interesting project, so it's not spam. =) |
| 20:52.10 | Catfish_Man | kblin: that's one reason I don't like RSS actually |
| 20:52.16 | Catfish_Man | RSS basically turns blogs into a push medium |
| 20:52.27 | Catfish_Man | and I think they should leave that to twitter and focus on being a good pull medium |
| 20:52.29 | SRabbelier | sanooj: I think that'd depend on your org ;) |
| 20:52.37 | kblin | also, most people seem to be using bling to hide lack of quality |
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| 20:53.10 | sanooj | heh. my project was for a graphics project so it kinda went with the territory. :) |
| 20:53.20 | SRabbelier | goes to reading some more pages of Stumbling on Happiness |
| 20:53.32 | kblin | dberkholz: kudos to your co-mentors. they're a bunch of helpful people |
| 20:54.01 | dberkholz | kblin: good to hear it! anyone in particular i should pass the kudos on to? |
| 20:54.30 | kblin | I'd have to look up the handle :) |
| 20:55.10 | kblin | but some people on #gentoo-soc in any case |
| 20:55.16 | dberkholz | kblin: weaver? |
| 20:55.28 | dberkholz | that's who i see in the logs |
| 20:56.20 | kblin | probably, and Jeremy |
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| 20:56.36 | dberkholz | ah, right. |
| 20:57.01 | kblin | counting antarus and you, I think I talked to more reasonable people with an @gentoo.org address this week than I did in the last three years ;) |
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| 20:57.44 | dberkholz | kblin: heh. we congregate around gsoc, nobody good is gonna join after interacting with unreasonable folks =) |
| 20:58.03 | kblin | good point |
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| 20:59.14 | p_l | wonders whether he shouldn't try gentoo again |
| 20:59.58 | SRabbelier | kblin: are you implicitly saying here that most of @gentoo are not-so-reasonable? |
| 20:59.58 | p_l | Gentoo on dialup wasn't my best idea :) |
| 21:01.15 | dberkholz | rather one or two in particular that happen to do things related to wine |
| 21:01.40 | kblin | dberkholz: a lot of users behave pretty much the same |
| 21:03.03 | dberkholz | kblin: on the opposite side, i actually got wine to work for an app i care about this week. =) |
| 21:03.24 | kblin | dberkholz: yay |
| 21:03.27 | dberkholz | the installer failed, but upstream kindly provided an unpacked .exe i could run |
| 21:03.45 | kblin | dberkholz: as a wine developer that never ceases to amaze me |
| 21:04.52 | kblin | what kind of installer is that? msi-based? |
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| 21:05.59 | dberkholz | kblin: http://www.harzing.com/pop_faq.htm#Q309 actually describes what they think the problem is |
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| 21:06.42 | kblin | bah |
| 21:06.52 | kblin | instead of complaining, they should have filed a bug |
| 21:07.15 | kblin | they'd be amazed how often providing the dll and a function that does nothing actually makes programs work :) |
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| 21:09.23 | SRabbelier | kblin: lol |
| 21:09.36 | kblin | SRabbelier: seriously |
| 21:09.52 | SRabbelier | kblin: then why are those functions called at all? :P |
| 21:10.04 | kblin | SRabbelier: you pretend to implement the function, and then you say "sorry, didn't work" |
| 21:10.07 | p_l | SRabbelier: because on another system they actually do something? |
| 21:10.18 | kblin | and most programs will cope |
| 21:10.19 | SRabbelier | kblin: xD |
| 21:10.22 | SRabbelier | kblin: nice |
| 21:10.27 | kblin | sometimes you need to pretend the call worked |
| 21:10.34 | Corsix | because most coders assume that a GetProcAddress will return a valid value |
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| 21:10.49 | Corsix | if the function doesn't exist, and GetProcAddress returns NULL, they call a null pointer |
| 21:10.55 | rajan | 22 hours to go *Approx* ;) |
| 21:10.56 | Corsix | at least, that would be my guess |
| 21:11.22 | kblin | Corsix: I suspect some functions are only called because some tutorial thought they were needed |
| 21:11.33 | kblin | or because MSDN claims they're needed |
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| 21:12.10 | Corsix | then they may well be needed in some MS implementation |
| 21:12.13 | kblin | dberkholz: ah, I think I see the sxs.dll issue |
| 21:12.16 | Corsix | but not in the wine implementation |
| 21:12.33 | kblin | Corsix: sometimes that's not the case |
| 21:12.45 | kblin | Corsix: we do run our test suite on windows as well |
| 21:13.03 | Corsix | on all builds of windows? |
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| 21:14.08 | kblin | 95 through Vista, as far as I'm aware |
| 21:14.18 | kblin | win7beta1 reports as vista |
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| 21:15.40 | sid0 | Corsix: why would programmers assume that GetProcAddress would always return a function pointer? |
| 21:15.54 | sid0 | it's usually used to use version-specific APIs |
| 21:16.05 | Corsix | if the function is present in all the versions of windows which they are targetting |
| 21:16.07 | sid0 | eg a function that's there on Vista but not on XP |
| 21:16.20 | sid0 | well, why'd you use GetProcAddress then |
| 21:16.33 | sid0 | why not just use the headers |
| 21:16.56 | nullpuppy | because, when workign with dll's, you need to use GetProcAddress |
| 21:17.14 | kblin | dberkholz: I'm looking into a patch for this, as soon as I get the correct function signature from this msdn piece of crap |
| 21:17.26 | dberkholz | kblin: cool! |
| 21:17.36 | dberkholz | kblin: it's a pretty fun app too, if you're in academia. |
| 21:18.09 | sid0 | kblin: I've often had to resort to the headers to get accurate function sigs |
| 21:18.26 | nullpuppy | ah, true. you still do need that. |
| 21:18.29 | kblin | dberkholz: I prefer the docs |
| 21:18.34 | sid0 | eg a signature missing a const modifier |
| 21:18.35 | nullpuppy | shrugs |
| 21:18.44 | kblin | er |
| 21:18.49 | kblin | sid0: ^^^ |
| 21:19.12 | kblin | dberkholz: looks like a publication search tool |
| 21:19.14 | dmb | talking about samba stuff? |
| 21:19.48 | nullpuppy | dmb: close. wine. |
| 21:20.21 | sid0 | nullpuppy: with a dll, why can't you just dynamically link using the header instead of getprocaddress |
| 21:20.26 | sid0 | (if you know that all targets have the function) |
| 21:20.45 | kblin | nullpuppy: it's very close for me personally |
| 21:21.00 | sid0 | the windows sdk headers are good about this anyway, with WINVER and friends |
| 21:21.08 | kblin | nullpuppy: given that I work on both :) |
| 21:21.08 | nullpuppy | kblin: cool. |
| 21:21.13 | dberkholz | kblin: yeah. it's one of those things that tries to assign a single number to every researcher. |
| 21:21.16 | nullpuppy | kblin: :) awesome |
| 21:21.25 | Corsix | sid0: because EXE compressors often replace the import section with GetProcAddress calls? |
| 21:21.27 | dberkholz | kblin: so you can get a relative idea of "rank" within a field |
| 21:21.29 | nullpuppy | sid0: well, i'm thinking more in general. beyond just Win32 api stuff. |
| 21:21.53 | dmb | ah |
| 21:22.04 | nullpuppy | shrugs. |
| 21:22.04 | thiago_home | the reason is that you want one version of your .exe to support multiple Win32 versions |
| 21:22.04 | sid0 | Corsix: the solution to that is "don't use EXE compressors" :P |
| 21:22.11 | sid0 | EXE compressors are bad |
| 21:22.11 | sid0 | evil |
| 21:22.22 | nullpuppy | unfortunately, my knowledge in this area is lacking. only have minimal experience. |
| 21:22.23 | sid0 | they break memory mapping |
| 21:22.28 | sid0 | they also break paging |
| 21:22.46 | Catfish_Man | sid0: O_O... those are not good things to break |
| 21:22.57 | pavelo | and make hacking the exe difficult (but more fun) |
| 21:23.00 | Corsix | for example, when UPX is unpacking the compressed part, if it failes to find an import, it'll just silently quit without reporting error |
| 21:23.01 | sid0 | Catfish_Man: exactly |
| 21:23.11 | Corsix | very interesting to diagnose that one |
| 21:24.41 | sid0 | Catfish_Man: with a regular EXE/mmaped file, if the physical memory occupied by the code needs to be reclaimed, then you don't need to write it to swap, right? |
| 21:24.46 | sid0 | with a compressed EXE you do |
| 21:24.53 | sid0 | pure evil, they are |
| 21:24.57 | thiago_home | sid0: except Windows doesn't do PIC executables |
| 21:24.58 | Catfish_Man | ah, that makes sense |
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| 21:25.11 | thiago_home | PE executables are pre-located |
| 21:26.09 | Corsix | PE executables can have a relocate section |
| 21:26.24 | sid0 | thiago_home: sure, but not sure how that makes a difference |
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| 21:26.27 | thiago_home | that's not the point |
| 21:26.36 | thiago_home | the point is if the code is not PIC, then it can be impure |
| 21:26.46 | thiago_home | therefore, it's not completely discardable and reloadable from disk |
| 21:27.18 | sid0 | doesn't the OS maintain a flag for that |
| 21:27.26 | thiago_home | of whether it can be discarded? |
| 21:27.30 | sid0 | yeah |
| 21:27.32 | thiago_home | yes |
| 21:27.44 | thiago_home | if it can't be discarded, then it has to be written to swap |
| 21:27.54 | sid0 | right, of course |
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| 21:28.31 | thiago_home | .so files on ELF systems are generally PIC |
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| 21:28.43 | thiago_home | that means their entire code sections can be discarded without using the swap |
| 21:28.57 | thiago_home | on certain architectures, the same applies to the executables as well |
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| 21:29.08 | sid0 | I see |
| 21:30.00 | thiago_home | the cost is that calls are then indirect |
| 21:30.20 | SRabbelier | wonders how #gsoc just turned into two screen-fulls worth of Windows talk :P |
| 21:30.42 | ajuonline | topic change: talk about doors now. |
| 21:30.45 | thiago_home | SRabbelier: we're bashing the Windows executable format :-) |
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| 21:30.53 | thiago_home | ELF > PE |
| 21:31.43 | sid0 | man, the MS guys really screwed up with not implementing fat binaries when they moved to 64-bit |
| 21:31.43 | sid0 | OS X does it so much better |
| 21:31.52 | sid0 | with both bundles and fat binaries |
| 21:32.06 | thiago_home | Linux still has no fat binaries |
| 21:32.12 | sid0 | yeah :( |
| 21:32.31 | thiago_home | not that I really miss them... |
| 21:32.34 | thiago_home | but bundles, yeah |
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| 21:32.45 | SRabbelier | thiago_home: ah, in that case, do continue :P |
| 21:33.06 | deadbeef | !logs |
| 21:33.07 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 21:33.34 | holger_ | fat binaries are a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place |
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| 21:33.43 | thiago_home | holger_: meaning? |
| 21:33.49 | thiago_home | holger_: you didn't want 64-bit? |
| 21:33.55 | alanp | What time are students announceD? |
| 21:34.04 | thiago_home | alanp: it's on the timeline page |
| 21:34.06 | holger_ | you want the right binary on your system. and only that. |
| 21:34.18 | pavelo | what's the purpose of the thing anyway? why not just have X files and let the user choose which one to run/install? |
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| 21:34.18 | alanp | woops, sorry |
| 21:34.20 | alanp | !timeline |
| 21:34.21 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:34.28 | Catfish_Man | pavelo: why bother? |
| 21:34.37 | thiago_home | pavelo: users are lazy |
| 21:34.39 | pavelo | to save disk space for one |
| 21:34.41 | Corsix | if the user makes the wrong choice, they'll blame you for it |
| 21:34.45 | holger_ | so it's the installers task to do that right |
| 21:34.45 | Catfish_Man | disk is cheap, binaries are small |
| 21:34.47 | thiago_home | but the point here is that you're catering for two different audiences |
| 21:34.55 | sid0 | pavelo: disk space is cheap |
| 21:34.56 | SRabbelier | have thin installers |
| 21:34.58 | thiago_home | Mac and Windows users want to download from random websites and start running |
| 21:35.01 | SRabbelier | that determine the system they are on |
| 21:35.04 | SRabbelier | and download the right binary |
| 21:35.06 | SRabbelier | problem solved? |
| 21:35.10 | thiago_home | Linux users are content with having a centralised system that is fine-tuned |
| 21:35.13 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: on OSX we don't really use installer apps |
| 21:35.19 | Catfish_Man | which I think is nice |
| 21:35.32 | thiago_home | Catfish_Man: well, not everything |
| 21:35.37 | thiago_home | Catfish_Man: some .dmg are installers |
| 21:35.40 | Catfish_Man | sure |
| 21:35.41 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: right, you just drag the installer to some folder and everything automagically gets fskd up :P |
| 21:35.46 | sid0 | SRabbelier: then you have people bitching about how the installer's just 200 KB and the program's 20 MB |
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| 21:35.55 | pavelo | yes but, somehow storing stuff which I'll never need on my disk doesn't feel right |
| 21:35.58 | Corsix | and under windows, the install would have to be 32-bit, and win64 tries really hard to make 32 bit programs think they are on a 32 bit system, hence making it hard for the installer to detect which system it is on |
| 21:36.04 | SRabbelier | sid0: what exactly are they bitching about then? |
| 21:36.10 | SRabbelier | sid0: they don't want to pay the 200KB overhead? |
| 21:36.16 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: it feels deceptive to them |
| 21:36.33 | p_l | Corsix: Can't they just call apriopriate system inspection method? |
| 21:36.40 | sid0 | SRabbelier: no, that they want to download once and be done with it |
| 21:36.41 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: hmmm, fair enough |
| 21:36.45 | sid0 | hey, I'm not one of them :) |
| 21:36.48 | holger_ | so they'd much rather dl 40m instead of 200k + 20m? |
| 21:36.58 | Corsix | p_l: The point is that it would report itself as 32 bit |
| 21:37.01 | Catfish_Man | holger_: most apps consist primarily of resources, not binaries |
| 21:37.08 | Catfish_Man | instead of 20M it would be like 23MB or something |
| 21:37.22 | p_l | Corsix: AFAIK not really if you ask in proper way |
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| 21:37.27 | Catfish_Man | (at least this is true on OSX. Not sure elsewhere) |
| 21:37.30 | holger_ | true. still more probably. |
| 21:37.31 | kblin | ah, stupid DCOM stuff |
| 21:37.38 | SRabbelier | p_l: you need to say PLEASE a lot methinks |
| 21:38.01 | diana | !logs |
| 21:38.02 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 21:38.31 | Corsix | "On 64-bit Windows, 32-bit programs run in an emulation layer. ... For example, if the program calls the GetSystemInfo function to see what processor is running, it will be told that it's running on a 32-bit processor, with a 32-bit address space, in a world with a 32-bit sky ..." |
| 21:38.34 | thiagoss | !next |
| 21:38.34 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 21:38.44 | holger_ | anyway, i'm using "installer" in the broadest meaning here. whatever they run to get the program onto their system, it shouldn't leave unused data. |
| 21:38.48 | sid0 | holger_: another trouble is that there are several places (especially colleges) behind proxies, and thin installers usually don't play well with them |
| 21:38.53 | sid0 | eg the chrome installer |
| 21:39.00 | p_l | Corsix: I'd call WMI system introspection methods... |
| 21:39.10 | Catfish_Man | holger_: the resources-are-most-of-the-app issue is also why I think differential updates like firefox uses make a ton of sense |
| 21:39.25 | r0bby | 3:00PM EST |
| 21:39.33 | r0bby | technically it's PDT |
| 21:39.37 | r0bby | and EDT |
| 21:39.53 | kblin | dberkholz: out of curiosity, why aren't you using the windows version |
| 21:40.21 | dberkholz | kblin: i am, that's what wine is for.. |
| 21:40.32 | dberkholz | kblin: did you mean to ask why i'm not using the linux version? |
| 21:41.01 | kblin | er right |
| 21:41.25 | dberkholz | kblin: it wants a 32-bit libcurl. i'm running 64-bit, and for whatever reason gentoo doesn't have that particular lib in its 32-bit emulation stuff. |
| 21:41.38 | p_l | got chrome compiled with winelibs. Not really impressed |
| 21:41.41 | kblin | fair enough |
| 21:41.42 | dberkholz | it was easier for me to run wine than do that |
| 21:41.47 | kblin | dberkholz: the installer just passed for me |
| 21:41.52 | dberkholz | woo! |
| 21:42.19 | p_l | dberkholz: I had a precompiled package |
| 21:42.23 | kblin | dberkholz: but it's a really nasty hack. I'm not convinced it passes alexandre |
| 21:42.39 | sid0 | p_l: Corsix: IsWow64Process |
| 21:42.51 | p_l | anyway, Chrome+Winelibs turned to be rather slow |
| 21:43.02 | Corsix | sid0: yes, check for it's existance, and then call it |
| 21:43.12 | sid0 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms684139%28VS.85%29.aspx |
| 21:43.12 | sid0 | yeah |
| 21:43.32 | Catfish_Man | p_l: chrome does a lot of pretty weird stuff. I'm not all that surprised |
| 21:43.50 | kblin | dberkholz: basically I just couldn't figure out what IDL magic I had to do to get that stupid first parameter working, so I just pretend the function has two DWORD parameters |
| 21:44.17 | kblin | dberkholz: doesn't really matter given I'm bailing out with E_NOTIMPL anyway, but I bet alexandre will hate it |
| 21:44.21 | p_l | Catfish_Man: let's say that animating anything in the UI was a wrong thing in this case :> |
| 21:44.31 | kblin | otoh it makes an app work |
| 21:44.33 | sid0 | Catfish_Man: indeed. have you seen how they enable one of the Vista security features that there was an API for only after SP1? |
| 21:44.41 | dberkholz | kblin: i don't understand what language you're speaking anymore, but as long as it works. =) |
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| 21:44.52 | Catfish_Man | sid0: I hadn't. I don't pay much attention to the windows-specific bits |
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| 21:45.58 | kblin | dberkholz: I'll send it in and see if I get lucky tomorrow |
| 21:46.32 | p_l | is going to be unpopular and say that he isn't impressed with chrome even on windows :P |
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| 21:47.28 | aoszkar | !next |
| 21:47.28 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 21:47.58 | sid0 | Catfish_Man: amusingly, wine has added support for that private API as well :) |
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| 21:48.24 | enigmaticolossus | !logs |
| 21:48.25 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 21:51.40 | kblin | sid0: well Wine is open source, it's easy to fix that |
| 21:51.48 | sid0 | :) |
| 21:52.02 | kblin | sid0: "that" as in "some missing function" |
| 21:52.22 | kblin | sid0: it took me some minutes to fix the installer for dberkholz for example :) |
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| 21:52.40 | sid0 | so what exactly was missing? |
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| 21:54.25 | kblin | the implementation of CreateAssemblyCache in sxs.dll |
| 21:54.28 | kblin | whatever that is |
| 21:54.58 | kblin | 2 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) |
| 21:55.50 | sid0 | you mean http://www.nabble.com/fusion-3:-Implement-CreateAssemblyCache-td16268429.html ? |
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| 21:56.59 | kblin | nono |
| 21:57.01 | kblin | way too elaborate |
| 21:57.09 | kblin | also in the wrong dll |
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| 21:57.22 | sid0 | oh |
| 21:57.44 | sid0 | shrugs |
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| 21:59.02 | kblin | sid0: my "implementation" looks more like the one james replaced in that patch you linked |
| 21:59.18 | kblin | though I could probably just forward to the fusion function |
| 21:59.29 | sid0 | heh |
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| 22:00.51 | calebr | !next |
| 22:00.52 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 22:02.42 | kblin | ah, even better |
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| 22:07.18 | kblin | 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) |
| 22:07.20 | kblin | :) |
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| 22:08.52 | kblin | dberkholz: you should be fine with wine 1.1.20, I guess |
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| 22:11.19 | rolly1975 | !next |
| 22:11.19 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
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| 22:13.07 | hkpco | bye :-) |
| 22:13.10 | kblin | anyway, patch sent, I'm off for the night |
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| 22:20.19 | r0bby | god damn it i hate twitter |
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| 22:20.30 | r0bby | its AJAX responsiveness is HORRID |
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| 22:22.07 | EnderMB | I assume you mean the "More" button at the bottom? |
| 22:22.45 | SRabbelier | r0bby: please to stay civilized |
| 22:22.46 | EnderMB | For some reason it never works for me, meaning I can never read what people have written... |
| 22:22.55 | SRabbelier | r0bby: think of the dmitrig01|afk's! |
| 22:23.10 | kblin | dberkholz: hehe, now I had to play with PoP |
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| 22:23.27 | SRabbelier | kblin: I thought you were off :P |
| 22:23.30 | kblin | dberkholz: but it's a bit depressing |
| 22:23.56 | kblin | dberkholz: my dad's got a lead of 116 publications according to PoP |
| 22:24.19 | kblin | of course he's been around a bit longer :) |
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| 22:25.18 | kblin | oh well |
| 22:25.43 | SRabbelier | kblin: owned by your dad? :P |
| 22:26.13 | vladikoff | aww missed 1337 minutes left |
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| 22:26.52 | p_l | kblin: my friend is close to publishing a physics paper with his father... |
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| 22:27.02 | holger_ | vladikoff: never mind. those are already in. |
| 22:27.26 | kblin | SRabbelier: it's probably worse, though. PoP uses google scholar to do it's ranking, and it's not picking up papers that are older than ~15 years it seems |
| 22:27.32 | D3f0 | is away: Ausente por el momento |
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| 22:28.12 | SRabbelier | kblin: painfull :P |
| 22:28.39 | kblin | p_l: google scholar's got my undergrad thesis, which happens to be my gsoc 2005 project |
| 22:28.48 | holger_ | kblin: tough. my father dropped out of scientific circles after diploma. so with my first paper i'm probably going to overtake him. otoh, sister already got her phd in biology. that's going to be tougher to top |
| 22:28.57 | p_l | kblin: nice :) |
| 22:29.11 | SRabbelier | g'night all :) |
| 22:29.15 | SRabbelier | I _am_ going to bed :P |
| 22:29.19 | p_l | in my case, my father was in completely different field... |
| 22:29.21 | SRabbelier | unlike some others in this channel :P |
| 22:29.22 | kblin | so I got a whopping 1 publication that noone ever cited |
| 22:29.26 | kblin | :p |
| 22:29.56 | kblin | p_l: well, we're close, but I couldn't imagine going into the _same_ field |
| 22:30.08 | kblin | I'm a computational biologist, he's a geneticist |
| 22:30.20 | p_l | otoh, I feel horribly overtaken by my high school classmate >_< |
| 22:30.51 | SRabbelier | p_l: me too, Lennie is horrible to have as someone to top :P |
| 22:30.52 | kblin | but my interest go in the direction of microbiology righ now |
| 22:30.59 | Lennie | ? |
| 22:31.06 | holger_ | hmm. sister has two articles, 1 book. i have one book (i translated), 3 citations. |
| 22:31.36 | Lennie | what did I miss SRabbelier :P |
| 22:31.39 | SRabbelier | Lennie: just pointing out that you got top marks for computability theory where I only just managed to get off with a sufficient :P |
| 22:31.47 | Lennie | hehe |
| 22:31.48 | kblin | SRabbelier: I thought you were going to bed? |
| 22:31.53 | SRabbelier | kblin: I am :P |
| 22:31.55 | kblin | pwnd |
| 22:31.58 | SRabbelier | kblin: watch me :P |
| 22:32.01 | Lennie | life vs no-life I guess ^^ |
| 22:32.09 | SRabbelier | Lennie: meta-pwnage |
| 22:32.14 | p_l | heh. I recall using argument "Should I write you a book about that" to my teacher as to why I intended to slack off for the whole year about his subject :D |
| 22:32.35 | SRabbelier | p_l: lol :P |
| 22:32.41 | Lennie | awesome p_l :) |
| 22:32.43 | SRabbelier | ok, vm shut down, off I go :D |
| 22:32.47 | SRabbelier | g'night :) |
| 22:33.21 | kblin | ah, whatever |
| 22:33.55 | jaguarandi | !next |
| 22:33.55 | socinfo | "next" is Accepted students announced on 20 April at *APPROXIMATELY* 19:00 UTC, 12:00 PST http://tinyurl.com/cju5g7 |
| 22:33.59 | p_l | Lennie: It was *nix administration... It would require work from me to fail :> |
| 22:34.35 | kblin | night for good now |
| 22:34.43 | p_l | kblin: night |
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| 22:38.02 | holger_ | btw, excuse my ignorance, but what is PoP? |
| 22:39.16 | Lennie | http://www.acronymfinder.com/POP.html |
| 22:39.38 | Lennie | I have no idea either ^_^ |
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| 22:40.12 | Lennie | too late for me, nn cya all in 20h for accepted students announcements :P |
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