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| 03:25.53 | astrocub | are there studies showing that a plan improves folow-through? |
| 03:26.03 | astrocub | s/follow-through/execution |
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| 03:29.46 | astrocub | could someone calculate the number of student applications that have roadmaps included? |
| 03:30.00 | astrocub | how many of them are detailed, how many are not so detailed? |
| 03:30.14 | astrocub | ..from previous years |
| 03:32.02 | astrocub | i'm curious what percentage of the project was completed for students with detailed roadmaps, loosely mapped, and no map |
| 03:32.50 | astrocub | correlation doesn't imply causation, sure, but this could give a good indicator if roadmaps play a significant role in job execution |
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| 04:13.28 | asmeurer | there aren't many people that can view all proposals, so this not something that has likely been done |
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| 08:54.42 | Nikerabbit | is it allowed to start coding yet? |
| 08:55.58 | thiago_home | sure |
| 08:56.11 | st_shadow_by | Nikerabbit: start, why not? |
| 08:56.46 | thiago_home | starting early is never a problem (I think), since it only goes to show your motivation |
| 08:57.04 | st_shadow_by | Nikerabbit: or you think that google will spy on you with satelites? :)) |
| 08:57.44 | Nikerabbit | just asking to be sure :) |
| 08:57.59 | Cygal | I was told by my mentors that everything I did before the deadline would not be included in the "stuff I accomplished" but it does not matter much, there is always fun work to do :) |
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| 08:59.40 | thiago_home | yeah |
| 08:59.49 | thiago_home | you can start working in other parts of the project |
| 08:59.55 | Nikerabbit | oh |
| 09:00.05 | thiago_home | I don't know any Open Source project that would say "we're well staffed, we don't need help anywhere else" |
| 09:00.27 | thiago_home | worst case scenario, your work doesn't pan out, but you learn something in the process |
| 09:00.47 | Nikerabbit | well I've actually being coding something else already :) |
| 09:02.34 | Nikerabbit | anyway, does it really make sense to not include that? that just leads someone to code privately and then commit when the program starts |
| 09:03.20 | thiago_home | that's against the spirit of open source |
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| 09:03.39 | thiago_home | and it's quite easy to tell a "huge code drop" from "we worked together" |
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| 09:07.09 | Nikerabbit | aren't strict schedules against the spirit of open source? |
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| 09:09.07 | xevix | Nikerabbit, you can work on stuff ahead of time, and later can amend your goals to include more stuff perhaps |
| 09:09.24 | xevix | nothing's wrong with doing more than planned, i consider that a good thing personally |
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| 09:27.14 | ojwb | Nikerabbit: not inherently, I'd say, especially at the commercially funded end |
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| 09:28.17 | ojwb | e.g. Ubuntu releases every 6 months |
| 09:29.35 | MaNI | kde also has a pretty fixed release schedule most the time |
| 09:29.47 | sid0 | Nikerabbit: "that just leads someone to code privately and then commit when the program starts" -- why can't you commit before the program starts? |
| 09:30.07 | Nikerabbit | sid0: if it is not counted for the project? |
| 09:30.23 | ojwb | there's no reason it shouldn't be that I can see |
| 09:30.36 | sid0 | maybe if you're in the US |
| 09:30.41 | sid0 | maybe |
| 09:30.45 | sid0 | though IANAL etc |
| 09:30.45 | ojwb | some students start coding early because of exams or stuff in the coding period |
| 09:30.59 | sid0 | but don't see why it wouldn't be counted in general |
| 09:31.36 | antarus | last time this was brought up I believe it involve how you are paid and the terms of your 1099 employment |
| 09:31.41 | antarus | involved* |
| 09:31.48 | sid0 | yeah -- in the US :) |
| 09:32.21 | antarus | I'm not a lawyer, but last time I checked google was based in the US :) |
| 09:32.56 | sid0 | in the end though the mentor decides whether you're paid, right |
| 09:33.17 | antarus | correct |
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| 09:33.35 | sid0 | so it's really up to the mentor to consider whether your work outside the dates is part of gsoc |
| 09:33.47 | sid0 | and given that most mentors aren't evil :) |
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| 09:34.26 | antarus | I would encourage a good relationship with your mentor for that reason |
| 09:34.27 | sid0 | shrugs |
| 09:34.38 | sid0 | I did a fair bit of work outside the dates last year |
| 09:34.39 | antarus | but if they decide not to count your work prior to the start; then there is really no defense for you ;) |
| 09:34.48 | sid0 | heh |
| 09:34.50 | antarus | (although I agree its a dick move) |
| 09:35.20 | ojwb | I'd get coding if you want to and not worry about it really |
| 09:35.48 | sid0 | also, I don't think "strict schedules" have a strong correlation with open source/closed source |
| 09:36.06 | sid0 | lots of closed source companies deliver "when it's ready" (eg Valve) |
| 09:36.21 | sid0 | and several open source projects have strict schedules |
| 09:36.25 | MaNI | look how late vista was released |
| 09:36.29 | sid0 | I think it's pretty orthogonal |
| 09:36.30 | MaNI | :) |
| 09:37.31 | antarus | schedules tend to have positive effects, regardless of whether they are met |
| 09:38.06 | antarus | breaking down a large task into subtasks, determining what tasks depend on other tasks, determine what tasks are high priority and what are low priority or stretch goals, etc... |
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| 17:54.25 | Landon | is it just me |
| 17:54.42 | Landon | or does televised poker feel just as staged as pro wrestling |
| 17:55.30 | Nikerabbit | is it just me that doesn't watch either |
| 17:56.45 | porter1 | Might as well play then watch |
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| 17:58.26 | Landon | nothing else is on tv : |
| 17:58.28 | Landon | :( |
| 17:58.50 | Nikerabbit | internets if full or other things to do |
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| 18:00.19 | Landon | internets is going kinda slow atm so I need something to distract me :P |
| 18:00.24 | Landon | might work on pysg a bit today |
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| 18:05.33 | ankitg | Landon if the internet is kinda slow and nothing good is on tv doesn't mean you have to work!... think of the children! |
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| 18:09.14 | Landon | all my consoles are in storage :( |
| 18:09.23 | Landon | on my laptop now, my PC is downstairs |
| 18:09.26 | Nikerabbit | think of the kittens |
| 18:09.27 | Landon | where its all humid and damp |
| 18:09.29 | Landon | :P |
| 18:09.37 | lut4rp | y0 ankitg |
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| 18:11.15 | ankitg | Landon: seriously, just go for a walk in the park or something =P |
| 18:11.31 | ankitg | lut4rp: Heylo |
| 18:11.46 | lut4rp | ankitg, how goes? |
| 18:12.21 | ankitg | lut4rp: goes well ... how goes there? |
| 18:12.43 | lut4rp | ankitg, goes wokay |
| 18:13.21 | ankitg | lut4rp: you working on Sahana this year? |
| 18:14.10 | lut4rp | ankitg, Drupal |
| 18:14.40 | Landon | ankitg: no parks around ! :P |
| 18:14.52 | Landon | I already did the whole outside thing anyways |
| 18:14.58 | ankitg | Landon: swimming pool ... arcade? |
| 18:15.00 | Landon | walked arou d outside, checking out the gardens |
| 18:15.17 | Landon | no pool nearby either |
| 18:15.20 | ankitg | Landon: books? |
| 18:15.23 | Landon | arcade is probaly even farther away |
| 18:15.25 | Landon | books are in storage |
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| 18:15.35 | Landon | library is probably in the same range as pool/arcade |
| 18:15.40 | Landon | (talking miles and miles here) |
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| 18:16.38 | ankitg | Landon: relocate yourself to the storage .. seems like all the good stuff is there ... that must one happy bunch of arachnids ! |
| 18:17.20 | Landon | storage is several hours of driving away |
| 18:17.21 | Landon | :P |
| 18:17.52 | Landon | moving back up june 1 |
| 18:18.11 | Landon | until then, tis gsoc/pysg coding! I guess |
| 18:18.32 | ankitg | Landon: heh, fine do some work ... maybe this is the boost the economy has been waiting for! =P |
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| 18:20.10 | ankitg | lut4rp: ah, you're nikkar's friend rite? |
| 18:20.30 | lut4rp | ankitg, lol |
| 18:21.09 | lut4rp | I'm sure we never expected the Drupal bot to become _this_ popular |
| 18:22.39 | ankitg | lut4rp: blame gurptap =P |
| 18:22.49 | ankitg | *gurpartap |
| 18:22.50 | lut4rp | ankitg, :) |
| 18:23.26 | ankitg | darn comps hanging ... *glares at sqld* |
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| 18:28.09 | Landon | ankitg: the economy was waiting for me to get bored? |
| 18:28.11 | Landon | woot |
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| 18:29.10 | ankitg | kan... and we though you knew ... haven't you been following the economy's tweets!? |
| 18:29.33 | ankitg | *Landon ... and we though you knew ... haven't you been following the economy's tweets!? |
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| 18:34.46 | Landon | no :( |
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| 19:28.15 | shikhar | !next |
| 19:28.15 | socinfo | "next" is Time to start bonding with your community: http://tinyurl.com/community-bonding |
| 19:29.12 | Landon | is trying to decide on a config file format |
| 19:29.26 | Landon | is trying to decide on a config file formatwhat do you guys find the easiest to deal with is? |
| 19:31.07 | shikhar | Landon: what language? for java - properties file |
| 19:32.58 | Landon | python |
| 19:33.55 | Landon | YAML looks interesting, but I've never seen it used elsewhere and I wouldn't want to confuse users |
| 19:35.38 | shikhar | Landon: http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html maybe |
| 19:35.50 | johang | json! |
| 19:37.46 | Landon | hm, possibly shikhar, itmight be enoughfor whatI need |
| 19:38.25 | Landon | json isn't pretty enough johang :P |
| 19:40.10 | lut4rp | Landon, you need a new spacebar :) |
| 19:40.49 | Mek | for python easiest is to use python as a config file format :) |
| 19:41.29 | Landon | lut4rp: I've known that for a while ::P |
| 19:41.37 | Landon | sometimes it doesnt trigger when I hit far left |
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| 20:48.45 | astrocub | is there a listing of all the proposals? |
| 20:50.04 | summatusmentis | there's the org list, and each or shows accepted proposals, but it doesn't have the full application |
| 20:50.09 | summatusmentis | if that's what you're asking |
| 20:50.32 | astrocub | summatusmentis: link? |
| 20:51.09 | summatusmentis | have you looked that tge GSoC site at all? |
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| 21:19.47 | astrocub | yes i have |
| 21:21.06 | astrocub | oh, right |
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