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00:57.24loufoquegoogle sent me a package through fedex then cancelled it 10 minutes after
00:57.26loufoquewhat's going on?
00:57.37loufoque(that was five minutes ago)
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01:03.46chxloufoque: the chances that someone on this channel knows is practically zero
01:03.53chxloufoque: you know whom to mail.
01:04.44loufoquehum, no i don't know who
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01:29.07r0bbyloufoque: Ellen.
01:29.10r0bbyemail ellen
01:29.24r0bbyWhy people haven't caught on by now who to email, is beyond me
01:29.40r0bbyI also don't seem to get why "Do not reply to this thread" and then 20 people do exactly that!
01:30.09kseitzPeople should know better... I thought we would. Hmm.
01:30.52r0bbyAlso, Keep introductions in this thread, somehow morphed to mean: create a thread for your region!
01:31.19r0bbyNo biggy, i just turned off delivery and subscribed to the google group which is announce only
01:31.46kseitzMy understanding was that we might miss some important info if we subscribed to the announce only group
01:31.57kseitzI just started using the "m" key excessively in Gmail.
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01:32.41r0bbynope
01:32.50r0bbyajay is keeping on top of things quite well :)
01:33.08kseitzWish I would have known that earlier.
01:33.24r0bbyajay is quite good :)
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01:33.34r0bbyajay = ajuonline  btw
01:36.58chx[18:32] <kseitz> My understanding was that we might miss some important info if we subscribed to the announce only group <= I doubt this.
01:37.32kseitzOr at least I read it somewhere. Maybe. I just be imagining things.
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01:41.41chxmaybe.
01:41.46chxof course: i am not google.
01:42.01chxonly what the Chief Geek Herder & co says is law :)
01:46.22xevixhah, IANG but it should be ok
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06:43.31deadbeefhi everyone
06:43.39kblinwaves
06:44.24deadbeefguys i just received two mails, one saying a fedex shipment was just sent, and another saying it was cancelled
06:44.30deadbeefsup? :D
06:45.07ojwbno idea, but someone else reported the same
06:45.22ojwbI'd relax - it's probably just some confusion which is being dealt with
06:45.38deadbeefyep sure
06:45.41deadbeefthanks :D
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08:03.28araujohello
08:05.28aghislahello all, I received 2 fedex notifications, the first was the tracking number and the second the cancellation notice. anyone else experience this?
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08:05.41deadbeefciao :D
08:05.43deadbeefeh anch'io
08:05.54aghislai prefer not to email ellen until necessaty
08:05.59aghislahi deadbeef :)
08:06.16deadbeefojwb diceva che e' successo anche ad altri
08:06.22deadbeefe sara' una cosa pacifica
08:06.27skbohra1aghisla: lots of people have received such mail
08:06.27ojwbdid i?
08:06.31aghislaok
08:06.33aghislathanksa
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08:06.43aghislas/thanksa/thanks/
08:07.06skbohra1aghishla: you may get another mail as stated on ml
08:07.40aghislaskbohra1: didn't read that mail, should come with next digest
08:08.25skbohra1aghishal: "Could we trace express progress of our own package? " under this subject
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08:08.52araujoaghisla, it seems like it is an error
08:08.59araujothere is something about in the mailing list
08:09.01kuarezmahi! Is everybody supposed to have received an email from fedex by now? I didn't get any
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08:09.18araujokuarezma, yeah, me neither
08:09.41skbohra1kaurezma: not many pepople indeed yet
08:09.58aghislais reading the thread
08:10.12MaNIwhy is everybody so impatient?
08:10.37araujothere is a competition to see who gets the shipments first
08:10.48araujo*joking*
08:11.33aghislabut the gift is no more a surprise :)
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08:13.25kuarezmaokay, thanks guys :)
08:13.45kuarezmanot impatient, just wanted to check if there was some problem with my shipment
08:15.17ankitgaghisla: hi ... (off to school again) ... kthxbai ...
08:15.41araujoyeah me too
08:16.18ankitgskbohra1: ohai / kbai ...cya later @ nite, off to skool now ...
08:16.38skbohra1ankitg: bye :)
08:17.19deadbeefguys what do you think about this
08:17.23deadbeefItalian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi lashed out at a Milanese court following the sentencing of one of his lawyers. The court ruled that the British lawyer David Mills committed perjury in the late 1990s in two corruption cases against Mr Berlusconi's business empire. Mr Mills accepted a bribe from the Italian Prime Minister amounting to 600,000 US dollars.
08:17.29deadbeefThe court has sentenced him to four years and five months. Mr Berlusconi called the sentence scandalous and politically motivated. As long as he is in office Mr Berlusconi is immune from prosecution. He has, however, promised to address the issue in parliament, although he did not say when that will be.
08:17.36deadbeefhttp://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6307924/Berlusconi-lashes-out-at-Mills-sentencing
08:19.31araujo?
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08:42.58ochotdeadbeef: kind of reminds me of recent change in our (Slovakia) judiciary system. They disbanded "Special court" for bribe, orgranized crime and similar high-profile stuff....kind of sad.
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10:59.06aghislahi Wolf_OSGeo! :)
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10:59.29Wolf_OSGeohi aghisla :)
10:59.37Wolf_OSGeoHow are things going?
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11:00.30aghislagood - started working with wxPython
11:00.34Wolf_OSGeoHow do you like it?
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11:00.50aghislaniiiice! sounds really easy to learn and powerful.
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11:01.22Wolf_OSGeoSounds good! We did do a lot of research before deciding on it
11:01.45Wolf_OSGeohear that brlcad? What did you end up using?
11:03.32aghislacoming back soon -
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11:10.56aghislasorry, a friend brought an Aesculapian Snake in the lab http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamenis_longissimus
11:11.14aghislaWolf_OSGeo: you mean http://brlcad.org/ ?
11:11.53lifeethaghisla, Friend bought one with gsoc money ? :)
11:11.55Wolf_OSGeoaghisla: I was talking to brlcad
11:12.28aghislaah ok :)
11:12.44Wolf_OSGeohe is the lead developer of http://brlcad.org/
11:13.02aghislalifeeth: lol no, found in the wood
11:13.25MaNIsounds like the start of a sequel to snakes on a plane
11:13.40lifeethMaNI, Snakes in a lab :D
11:13.47aghislabiology lab :)
11:13.58Wolf_OSGeoaghisla: got any pics of that snake?
11:14.12Wolf_OSGeothat individual I mean :P
11:14.38aghislasure, I'll ask the snake-catcher for them
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11:14.54Wolf_OSGeo:D
11:15.27brlcadWolf_OSGeo: we ran forward with rbgui at first due to its customizability, but with the switch to lgpl we're are now going with customized qt widgets
11:15.38aghislahave to get back to Python - to remain in topic
11:15.40brlcadpart of this summer's work
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11:16.41Wolf_OSGeobrlcad: aah. cool
11:19.12brlcadwe looked at wx* but their widgets and interaction were too far away from what we needed (particularly the ability to have accellerated custom-behavior 2d widgets overlayed on a 3d context)
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11:28.07kblinhey SRabbelier
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11:29.29SRabbelierkblin: heya
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11:30.44Wolf_OSGeobrlcad: ah ok :) I suppose you have more heavy 3D demands
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11:31.16Wolf_OSGeoI'm going to have to teach myself how to use BRL-CAD :)
11:32.14thebolthi kblin , SRabbelier , Wolf_OSGeo et al
11:32.32Wolf_OSGeohey thebolt :)
11:32.48Wolf_OSGeohow are things in the east?
11:33.05kblinhey thebolt :)
11:33.55theboltWolf_OSGeo: pretty good.. eating dinner (instant noodles) and considering if i should give in to a friends request and go dancing or not ;)
11:34.03theboltand in west?
11:34.26Wolf_OSGeopretty good here too. Enjoying my day off :)
11:35.00Wolf_OSGeoI just re-installed my laptopt. Went from Debian to Ubuntu.
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11:36.07Wolf_OSGeoNot a big change, but still :) and since I've been using Debian for 10 years it feels a bit odd.
11:36.21Wolf_OSGeoall my other computers are still running Debian though :P
11:36.34theboltah yea, just realized a while ago it was public holiday back home(and around)
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11:37.47kblinI decided to not touch my systems before I'm done with my thesis
11:38.18theboltkblin: probably wise
11:39.21kblinand I just pushed a bug fix release of wombat, go me :)
11:39.40kblinnot working on the thesis ftw!
11:39.41Wolf_OSGeokblin: wise move. I just finished my bachelor thesis :)
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12:12.06brlcadWolf_OSGeo: yeah, just a little :)
12:12.21brlcadin fact we could probably get away with purely 3d only, but don
12:12.37brlcaddon't want to reimplement basic widgets in a 3d only system
12:18.02Wolf_OSGeomakes sense
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13:31.38dl9pfwhere does the mentor have to "indicate that you have been in contact"  ?
13:32.10dl9pfits mentioned on the payment-cards document, but how is the procedure for the mentor to do that ?
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13:36.06dhaundl9pf: FWIW, I am a mentor and I'm not aware of such a procedure ...
13:36.17dhaunthere was no such requirement in previous years either
13:36.20thiago_homehasn't seen anything either
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13:37.32dl9pfdhaun: hmm, look here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentpaymentcards
13:37.49dl9pfAssuming that all your tax forms are in order and your mentor has indicated that you have been in contact, the initial amount of $505 will be added to the card shortly after the May 23rd start of coding date.
13:38.59ojwbyou're supposed to be "in good standing with your community" it says somewhere - the timeline perhaps?
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13:39.44ojwbyes, for May 23
13:40.04ojwbI don't know if/when mentors actually get asked
13:40.09ojwbwe weren't last year AFAICR
13:40.42dl9pfyes, but whats means "indicated" - is the organization admin contacted, or does the mentor have to login to melange and set a checkbox - dunnow
13:40.55ojwbperhaps it just means "if the project hasn't told google that we've never heard from them since acceptance"
13:41.26ojwbif you've been talking about your project with your mentor, I wouldn't worry
13:41.39ojwbif you've not spoken to your org since acceptance, I would get on with it!
13:42.43dl9pfojwb, thats not the problem - the thing is if they write the mentor has to do something, but there're no infos for the mentors on the procedure, then what should the mentor do ?
13:42.49kblindl9pf: ok, so if my student hadn't replied to my emails by now, I'd go and tell google not to pay my student and to kick him/her out
13:43.45kblinbut I guess that's an unlikely event, so it makes more sense to assume that if the mentors didn't complain to google, everything's fine
13:43.54dl9pfkblin: sure - but read the student info, it says the mentor has to "indicate" - to whom, project-admin, google ???
13:44.22ojwbI really wouldn't worry
13:44.28ojwbif the mentors need to say, they'll be told
13:44.30kblindl9pf: I'm a project admin and a mentor, and I haven't seen anything where I'd have to file something, just relax
13:44.35ojwblh is an expert at cat herding
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13:45.16kblindl9pf: if there's anything mentors need to actively do, I'd expect > 90% of the mentors will miss it, which in turn will tell google that there's something wrong :)
13:45.27dl9pfhehe
13:45.37dl9pfmail was from ellen
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13:46.00kblinfor the real deadlines we have, there's usually a reminder email on the mentors list
13:46.06kblinand that has been nice and quiet
13:46.29ojwbto the extent that I have wondered if I got unsubscribed somehow!
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13:47.13kblinojwb: if it makes you feel better, I can go bitch about melange there ;)
13:47.31ojwbnooooo!
13:47.48dl9pflol
13:48.13kblinnot that I have anything to really bitch about
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13:48.48kblinbut a thread about the ranking system always works ;)
13:49.32dl9pfkblin, ojwb: tnx
13:49.39kblinit's the vi vs. emacs of melange, taken up on the wrong mailing list :)
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13:50.30kblindl9pf: so as usual, talking with your mentor is the important part here, as always. if your mentor is happy, you're fine :)
13:51.12dl9pfkblin: i'm talking all day long to him atm - so that shouldn't be the problem
13:51.23kblinthen you're fine
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17:15.08z4chhdo us students get their stipend taxed at all by the gov.?
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17:20.36hypa7iaz4chh: depends on the jurisdiction
17:21.05hypa7iabut google won't pay the tax for you - you need to consult an accountant to see how much you will owe out of the stipend, if anything
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17:25.03Mkop1z4chh: it also depends how much money you make during the year
17:25.33Mkop1if your sole income is that $4500, then you are not required to pay federal income tax (though you may have to pay Social Security and Medicare)
17:25.42Mkop1if you have other jobs, then you might have to pay income tax
17:25.47Mkop1aside from whatever state stuff
17:26.03z4chhi see
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17:28.29hypa7iaMkop1: that's just in the US
17:28.42Mkop1he asked about the US
17:28.54hypa7iaoh, oops - i missed that :)
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17:38.52theoziranWhat is a model of the project proposal for GSoC?
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17:42.20sanoojtheoziran: abstract, define the problem, outline a solution, discuss solution, propose a tentative schedule, pimp yourself.
17:44.02theoziranI intend to submit a proposal for a project in GSoC next, just like whether there was a document template for this?
17:44.18bobbensthere is no template
17:44.25bobbenssome orgs have templates, but there's no official one
17:44.42sanoojalso search for proposals that people have put online.
17:45.27Landon!stats
17:45.27socinfo"stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm
17:46.28theozirantks
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17:47.36summatusmentisdon't pimp yourself too much though, it gets tiresome after a while. If you find yourself listing accomplishments, a resume might be easier :)
17:47.51summatusmentis(I say this after writing 4 paragraphs about myself last year)
17:53.14Landonheh am I the only person that got info about ACM email forwarding before info about ACM membership
17:55.00kuarezmasame here Landon
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17:55.35summatusmentishow much does a student membership normally cost?
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17:56.26summatusmentisLandon: how's your summer going?
17:57.03Landondoin a bit of work on my side projects before pencils up
17:57.23Landonpimps out http://code.google.com/p/pysg
17:57.34Landonhopefully it can replace !stats by the end of the summer
17:57.35Landon:)
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18:02.21summatusmentispsh
18:02.40Landonpsh you
18:03.25summatusmentis*gasp* how dare you say tha!
18:03.28summatusmentisthat*
18:05.09Landonanyways
18:05.10Landondjango frontend
18:05.14Landonit will be SWEET
18:05.15Landon:)
18:05.21Landonstats per user for EVERY user
18:06.48summatusmentisthat's SO MANY users
18:09.35Landonstill unsure about how I'll do aliases
18:09.35LandonI might just leave that to django
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18:12.44Landonhows about you summatusmentis
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18:12.55nictuku_hi
18:13.09summatusmentismostly ok, just super overwhelmed trying to catch up on stuff I need to do for study abroad
18:13.10nictuku_i didn't recieved a fedex mail. have you?
18:13.15summatusmentisI have
18:13.30nictuku_do you know if google has finished sending the cards?
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18:14.15Landonit takes a while nictuku_
18:14.31Landonyou'll probably get your email in +/- 1 day
18:14.40nictuku_ok.
18:14.42nictuku_i hope
18:16.57literalhm, I got a shipment notification from fedex, then a shipment cancellation notice 12 minutes later
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18:17.19literalhas this happeneed to others?
18:17.28pumphausyep
18:17.42literalwhy was it cancelled?
18:17.49pumphausI don't know
18:17.59pumphausbut it has happened to quite some people
18:18.19literalok
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18:31.06Landonwhat I dont get is why TV goes to crap after 3rd rrock from the sun is on
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19:09.05denndaAny idea as to why my FedEx package was cancelled?
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19:10.41ajuonlinedennda: they made an error. they will fix it and email you back again.
19:15.06denndaajuonline: Thanks. I guess the two ACM mails in my postbox aren't junk either
19:15.24denndadoesn't know acm
19:16.11LandonI hope ACM doesnt send out lots of crap
19:16.56ajuonline3 mails so far
19:17.09denndagot two and didn't do anything
19:17.25ajuonlinei just signed up :)
19:17.38ajuonlineand updated the profile/settings
19:17.49denndaso that's just some deal google made with them to get us into that association? (the benefit for us seems to be free access to publications)
19:17.54ajuonlineat acm dot org
19:18.06Landonthere are free courses too
19:18.06Landonbut
19:18.14ajuonlinedennda: "just some deal
19:18.17ajuonline"
19:18.18Landonits a little microsoft heavy
19:18.20ajuonlinenot happy with it?
19:18.42ajuonlinedennda: hard to please everyone :) esp. when there are 1000's
19:18.51LandonI might be able to make uses of books 24x7 access :P
19:18.52ajuonlinewith 1000 different tastest/preferences
19:19.01ajuonlineLandon: +1
19:19.04Landonbut other than that, not much on there that appeals
19:19.11LandonI hope the interface for that doesnt suck
19:19.14denndaajuonline: I didn't say that. I was just curious and surprised to find a "welcome aboard, new member!" message from some association I didn't know before
19:19.30ajuonlinedennda: again Google, the search engine. helps :)
19:19.42denndaajuonline: yeah I read the WP article by now
19:19.59r0bbyugh im on the phone w/ the ACM
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19:20.20ajuonliner0bby: you so love them , dont you?
19:20.28r0bbyNo, I wanna see what the hell do to do
19:20.33r0bbyI dont want two memberships...
19:20.49dzhusoh gosh acm membership!
19:21.02r0bbyyes...
19:21.09devilsadvocate_thinks the acm website design guys need to be replaced
19:21.28LandonI like how just clicking on a link makes them send me an email
19:21.39Landonwhat looks like an innocent menu element
19:21.48ajuonlineheh
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19:22.23devilsadvocate__everything_ opens in a new window
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19:23.04Landonheh woot
19:23.09Landonstayed above a 3.0 gpa this semester!
19:24.11ajuonlinedevilsadvocate_: i suppose they have an email address for help/feedbacl
19:24.15ajuonlinefeedback*
19:24.19elielwe have access to the "ACM Digital Library"???
19:24.24ajuonlineacmhelp@acm.org
19:24.28elielmy account looks like it doesn't...
19:24.55r0bbysigh
19:24.59r0bbythis is a nightmare :(
19:25.10devilsadvocate_ajuonline, considering the kind of people _pay_ for acm membership, im sure it has been brought to their attention before
19:25.15r0bbyI'm downgrading my membership after 2010 :(
19:25.27sivajieliel, account will activated only on june
19:25.31r0bbyacmhelp@acm.org
19:25.36sivajihi ajuonline devilsadvocate_
19:25.37elielsivaji: thanks!
19:25.52sivajinp
19:25.57devilsadvocate_hi sivaji
19:26.14ajuonlinehi sivaji sivaji sivaji :D
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19:27.05r0bbyI hate seeming so ungrateful :(
19:27.12r0bbyI do appreciate it :(
19:27.54smtmsr0bby, you could ask if you can gift the gift to somebody
19:28.07sivajiajuonline, use 3.times do puts "sivaji" done
19:28.11r0bbysmtms: it's gonna extend my membership
19:28.19r0bbyproblem is: after 2010 it downgrades
19:28.25r0bbyI don't want that
19:28.43r0bbywe have a student lite membership
19:31.18r0bby$10 says they dont call me back :<
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19:36.29z4chhohhh the acm account isn't active yet
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19:37.36r0bbymine is
19:37.46r0bbyI'm merging the two currently :)
19:37.53r0bbyI have two now...
19:37.59r0bbyI have a membership id #
19:38.24z4chhr0bby, so you can download the books and articles?
19:38.30r0bbyarticles yes
19:38.37z4chhdid you have to pay?
19:38.40r0bbyI have the $62 membership
19:38.41r0bbyyes
19:38.43z4chhah
19:38.56makmanalpwait, we do get access to the archives?
19:39.06z4chhwill gsoc students have access to books/arts in june?
19:39.06makmanalpif so, that would be sweet
19:39.27r0bbyI believe 2010 is when yours expires
19:39.30r0bbyit's for one year.
19:39.36r0bbyand mine as well.
19:39.59makmanalpthat's a treat, still
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19:40.38r0bbyit is
19:40.53r0bbyz4chh: it's kinda a tricky spot i threw the ACM into
19:41.04z4chho.o
19:41.26r0bbythey're trying to figure out how to upgrade to what I have w/o having to pay extra...
19:41.59r0bbyit SHOULD just be a difference $62-19
19:42.29r0bbybut it doesnt work like that...
19:43.40ajuonlinehow much does this membership cost?
19:43.46ajuonlineif one needs to continue after it expires?
19:43.48ajuonliner0bby: ^
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19:45.24smtms32 USD for students of developing countries
19:46.09z4chhStudent Membership (includes online access to CACM): $19 (USD)
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19:46.44smtmsz4chh, this is without Digital Library
19:46.55z4chhah
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19:51.29r0bbyajuonline: I'd reckon whatever google paid
19:51.31r0bby$19
19:51.43ajuonlinethinks he should have got this acm membership way back
19:51.56r0bbyajuonline: i got mine back in march
19:52.05r0bbymy digital electronics prof talked me into it :)
19:53.26ajuonliner0bby: i think i just found the exact kinda paper i was looking for :)
19:53.53smtmsr0bby, isn't IEEE more appropriate than ACM for electronics stuff?
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19:55.52r0bbyYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:55.58r0bbyI paid the diff!
19:56.11r0bbyMy existing membership was extended one year :)
19:56.43r0bbygoogle saved me $19 :)
19:56.47ajuonliner0bby: mail it on the list. that this is possible. so that people who already have it can stop mailing/complaining :D
19:57.38z4chhcool r0bby
20:02.41r0bbydone1
20:02.44r0bbydone!
20:04.30z4chhso does this membership that google provided include the digital library? so far it seems we only have CACM
20:05.11ajuonline:)
20:05.12z4chhellen made it sound like it with the "Please take advantage of all the resources that your membership
20:05.12z4chhprovides"
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20:06.07Landonz4chh: afaik it comes with everything a student membership does
20:06.42ajuonlineand it starts June 1st 2009.
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20:10.48z4chhafaik?
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20:11.36sivajias for as i know
20:12.25allisterbas far is I know
20:12.30allisterblol
20:12.38allisterbas far as I know
20:12.42allisterbthere
20:13.09ajuonlineallisterb: once was enuf :P
20:13.25allisterbit was misspelled
20:13.33allisterbtwice :)
20:14.28ajuonlineha ha. now i noticed
20:14.53z4chhit would appear student membership just comes with CACM :p
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20:33.45r0bbyajuonline: on the announce list for students: be sure to post my msg
20:34.15r0bbyit's got information most students will need (including a reply from ellen that is 100% relavent and one from me which adds to what i said)
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20:49.46ajuonliner0bby: on it.
20:50.09r0bbythanks for making me do it ajay :)
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20:50.29r0bbyturkey swiss chees burger++
20:50.41r0bbymy mother makes turkey burgers that are AWESOME
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20:55.05ajuonliner0bby: done.
20:55.15ajuonlineand send me some. i am hungry!
20:58.02r0bbysorry this is the last burger
20:58.07r0bbyand it's ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLll mine
20:58.35r0bbyI also have some spaghetti and ribs my neighbor sent me -- i get the leftovers her family wont eat... and she's moving to North Carolina :(((((
20:58.46r0bbythey've been awesome neighbors :(
21:00.35Landonalright guys, theres nothing on tv
21:00.35Landonlets cod
21:00.36Landone!
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22:09.48Mkop1astrocub: google is in charge of your prison? :-P
22:09.51Mkop1ask the warden what you can and can't do in your cell
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22:13.12r0bbyyou had to make that joke?!/1/!
22:13.57Mkop1apparently, yes
22:16.53astrocubso here's my 'hack'... google assigns your contacts numbers when they call in... save that number as your contact... now how long that last, i do not know
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